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"To answer the question I have never had anything but positive experiences with the NHS. The staff and service have always been professional and first class. However if you remove all the secondary support structures like home helps, district community health care and social provision the NHS is the first port of call hence the current crisis. The cuts have gone to far and if we can afford a monarchy we can afford a properly funded health care system." Yes, we can. I think Jeremy Hunt should do a week of nights in an accident and emergency unit followed by a week in a ward with elderly people in it. And don't get me started on the utter indignity of calling elderly men or women with nobody to help them at home 'bed blockers'. | |||
"The NHS provides an excellent service, hats off to all the staff that work tirelessly under difficult circumstanes and with limited resources. They deserve our thanks and appreciation." They deserve proper funding and decent working hours. Thanks and appreciation only go so far. | |||
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"To answer the question I have never had anything but positive experiences with the NHS. The staff and service have always been professional and first class. However if you remove all the secondary support structures like home helps, district community health care and social provision the NHS is the first port of call hence the current crisis. The cuts have gone to far and if we can afford a monarchy we can afford a properly funded health care system." A better marker for what we can afford is, as Tony Benn said regarding nuclear weapons and their enormous costs, if we can afford to kill people, we can afford to look after them... Or for that matter ridiculously low (or totally avoided) business taxes, or high-income earner taxes. | |||
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"I blame the uneducated public for causing this mess. Blocking up A&E for things that are not an accident or emergency and going to see the doctor for trivial things. Then there's the amount of people who miss their appointments! These kinds of things should incur a penalty." Certainly a factor, but it can't possibly be the whole story. The fact it's virtually impossible to get a GP appointment in some places also comes into play. All part of the same issue, underfunding/resourcing. | |||
"I blame the uneducated public for causing this mess. Blocking up A&E for things that are not an accident or emergency and going to see the doctor for trivial things. Then there's the amount of people who miss their appointments! These kinds of things should incur a penalty." Those things certainly play a part but don't let them deflect you from the real problem. We had to call an ambulance to my mother because she couldn't get an appointment with her GP... Even an emergency one so her condition deteriorated. | |||
"It's pretty big news today, with the PM being questioned about the 22 month old put on plastic chairs to be treated as no bed was available. I've had different experiences. Last year I went by ambulance to hospital and along with 4 other patients, was queuing in a corridor for over an hour. One lady was really elderly and shivering as it was cold. It felt pretty undignified too as we had no privacy there. But my GP surgery have generally been spot on and I can't complain. " I work for the NHS It's always the bad bits people want to see or read What about the good bits? | |||
"It's pretty big news today, with the PM being questioned about the 22 month old put on plastic chairs to be treated as no bed was available. I've had different experiences. Last year I went by ambulance to hospital and along with 4 other patients, was queuing in a corridor for over an hour. One lady was really elderly and shivering as it was cold. It felt pretty undignified too as we had no privacy there. But my GP surgery have generally been spot on and I can't complain. I work for the NHS It's always the bad bits people want to see or read What about the good bits?" There are undoubtedly good bits, sadly we've experienced fewer and fewer in the last five years. As I said above no blame attached to staff. | |||
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"we are underfunded here. and our a&e is not open for 24hrs a day any more. it was closed down altogether but there have been many peaceful demonstrations and petitions in this area and they are now funded as a part time a&e." I work in hospital in roscommon.same happened to us.lot of it closed off.a&e shuts at 8.it's a joke.nearest hospital after us in 40 odd miles away. | |||
"It's pretty big news today, with the PM being questioned about the 22 month old put on plastic chairs to be treated as no bed was available. I've had different experiences. Last year I went by ambulance to hospital and along with 4 other patients, was queuing in a corridor for over an hour. One lady was really elderly and shivering as it was cold. It felt pretty undignified too as we had no privacy there. But my GP surgery have generally been spot on and I can't complain. I work for the NHS It's always the bad bits people want to see or read What about the good bits?" The good bits are the people that work there. It's a shame that we only note the bad and disregard the good altogether. | |||
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"Nothing will improve until the crisis in social care is sorted out. That's what is behind so much of the pressure on acute and primary care. The NHS budget has been protected in cash terms while local authority funding has been absolutely decimated - the pressures that are now falling on the NHS are the logical end result of that. My personal experience for myself and family has been good. The experience of friends and family who work in the NHS on the front line are that there also *is* a big problem of inappropriate use of the system, especially A&E and the ambulance service. " Hear hear.  | |||
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"we are underfunded here. and our a&e is not open for 24hrs a day any more. it was closed down altogether but there have been many peaceful demonstrations and petitions in this area and they are now funded as a part time a&e. I work in hospital in roscommon.same happened to us.lot of it closed off.a&e shuts at 8.it's a joke.nearest hospital after us in 40 odd miles away." your job security has gone as well then? | |||
"Hmm couldn't fault them when my late husband took ill. They did everything they could and treated him as utmost priority. However now trying to get mental health care through CAMHS for my daughter... totally different. Long waiting lists to be seen and advised to go to a&e if the shit hits the fan "CAMHS are a different kettle of fish altogether! Useless on every level, my local one, took my phone call and a year later sent me a letter asking how they could help. Thankfully teens school were very supportive and arranged in house support | |||
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"The proportion of the GDP spent on the NHS is much much more than it was say 10 years ago. I would bring in a charge for a visit to the GP (more than £20 less than £50) for all those NOT receiving benefits. This will help the A & E queue also. " I think you'd end up having so many exclusions that it wouldn't make a significant difference. If you excluded the elderly, those receiving benefits and those with chronic conditions from paying the charge you'd end up like the prescription system where less than 1 in 10 is paid for - because those are the people who use the overwhelming majority of appointments. | |||
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"Accident and Emergency Departments are meant to be for unexpected emergencies,Heart attacks,Strokes,Breathing difficulties,Road accidents,Broken bones,and people in extreme pain who may need an operation.Unfortunately some tend to use it as a doctors surgery,and go to A/E unessessary.D*unks,Drug addicts,everyone has to be seen by the Triage staff and if they think you should see a doctor then you do.Weekends are bad when people go out ,drink to much end up fighting,and an ambulance is called,then straght to A/E..Maybe a fine a huge one should be in place if you waste there time,you cant go into A/E with a cut finger ,there are minor injury or walk in health centres to use..Think before the N.H.S.sinks.." Well said.
I have 3 sisters who are all nurses. | |||
"I would of only exclude the elderly if they were on benefits. Many over 65s have plenty of money and should in my _iew spend some of it on their immediate health needs. " Are you for real
Where do you get the idea many elderly people have plenty of money?
I'm a district nurse and go into people's homes daily, many of them over 65, most of them stay in bed because it's warmer than getting up, a lot are afraid to put their fire on in fear of paying the bill, most buy very poor quality food because it's all they can afford, of courses there are well off elderly people but the vast majority are not
You should come with me for a day and see how the real world lives | |||
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"I would of only exclude the elderly if they were on benefits. Many over 65s have plenty of money and should in my _iew spend some of it on their immediate health needs. Are you for real
Where do you get the idea many elderly people have plenty of money?
I'm a district nurse and go into people's homes daily, many of them over 65, most of them stay in bed because it's warmer than getting up, a lot are afraid to put their fire on in fear of paying the bill, most buy very poor quality food because it's all they can afford, of courses there are well off elderly people but the vast majority are not
You should come with me for a day and see how the real world lives"While I don't necessarily agree with the poster you quoted, the nature of your job means the elderly people you're coming into contact with are the more vulnerable ones and not representative of the whole either. Go out for a day with my dad and it would be filled with over 65s who are still working or receive pensions well in excess of my salary - or sometimes both! Neither of our _iews will be representative of the majority which will naturally fall somewhere in the middle. | |||
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"Accident and Emergency Departments are meant to be for unexpected emergencies,Heart attacks,Strokes,Breathing difficulties,Road accidents,Broken bones,and people in extreme pain who may need an operation.Unfortunately some tend to use it as a doctors surgery,and go to A/E unessessary.D*unks,Drug addicts,everyone has to be seen by the Triage staff and if they think you should see a doctor then you do.Weekends are bad when people go out ,drink to much end up fighting,and an ambulance is called,then straght to A/E..Maybe a fine a huge one should be in place if you waste there time,you cant go into A/E with a cut finger ,there are minor injury or walk in health centres to use..Think before the N.H.S.sinks.." But a lot of admission to a&he could be avoided if Drs surgeries worked harder 5 times since my children were born where I've tried to get appointments and failed or just been fobbed of as the "over protective mother" for my kids to then fall that ill they ended up hospitalised the worst being the misdiagnosis of meningitis by a go in one of my twins | |||
"It's a shame that we only note the bad and disregard the good altogether." As I read through the posts here I saw the complete opposite. Almost everyone has said the staff are excellent. | |||
"As an employee of the NHS, I took early retirement as it was either kill or be killed." I stepped away from front-line NHS work a couple of years ago - best move I could have made. Apart from private health care that is | |||
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"As an employee of the NHS, I took early retirement as it was either kill or be killed. I stepped away from front-line NHS work a couple of years ago - best move I could have made. Apart from private health care that is "I didn't realise how badly affected I was until I stopped. Firefighting every day and it continues... | |||
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"Accident and Emergency Departments are meant to be for unexpected emergencies,Heart attacks,Strokes,Breathing difficulties,Road accidents,Broken bones,and people in extreme pain who may need an operation.Unfortunately some tend to use it as a doctors surgery,and go to A/E unessessary.D*unks,Drug addicts,everyone has to be seen by the Triage staff and if they think you should see a doctor then you do.Weekends are bad when people go out ,drink to much end up fighting,and an ambulance is called,then straght to A/E..Maybe a fine a huge one should be in place if you waste there time,you cant go into A/E with a cut finger ,there are minor injury or walk in health centres to use..Think before the N.H.S.sinks.. But a lot of admission to a&he could be avoided if Drs surgeries worked harder 5 times since my children were born where I've tried to get appointments and failed or just been fobbed of as the "over protective mother" for my kids to then fall that ill they ended up hospitalised the worst being the misdiagnosis of meningitis by a go in one of my twins " ...I know what you are saying and i agree,in your case you were wise to take your child to hospital...x | |||
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"we are underfunded here. and our a&e is not open for 24hrs a day any more. it was closed down altogether but there have been many peaceful demonstrations and petitions in this area and they are now funded as a part time a&e." In that a and e I was treated when I chopped the end of my finger off, which I took on ice. On arrival stood at the counter I felt faint so said can I nip outside for some air to be told I couldn't not offered further assistance. I then spent the standard 4 hours watching my healthy iced skin turn white, after 4 hours someone examined it to say it couldn't be reattached. During this time I saw lots of nurses and doctors doing relatively little. I certainly knew they're plans for the weekend! I have had similar experiences in quite a few different a and e departments! Similarly we took our daughter at just over 5 months to a and e were sent to children's dept asked to wait in a room packed with other ill kids. I stood in the corridor with her, not wanting to pass whatever she had to others nor have her vomit on them or in the area... I clearly was causing a nuisance not joining the festering pit of disease that was the waiting room! I have no understanding of a health service which as a standard attends to its patients in around 4 hours, leaving those who report sickness and vomiting beside the lad with the broken finger! A few years ago we were on holiday in Wales, my wife was suffering from a chest infection, took her to hospital, she was seen by triage, passed to a doctor, diagnosed, given antibiotics (not a prescription) and an injection in less than 25 minutes. My observations of the nurses present at the majority of visits to a and e and in hospital wards is that they couldn't give a shit, caring profession my arse. On another occasion with a poorly relative in hospital day one I saw nil by mouth posted by their bed, understandable, same day two in the morning, in the early evening I investigated and found that he was able to take refreshment just the notice hadn't been changed, before leaving I asked for the nurse to change the sign, a job that would take roughly a minute, interrupting the 5 strong chat they were having ( I know it was chat I waited for close to 10 mins for someone to acknowledge me stood there. Day three at 3pm I returned and the nil by mouth was still there. This is my observation... I direct this at no one beyond anonymous staff within hospitals, this is simply my experience. | |||
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"Hmm couldn't fault them when my late husband took ill. They did everything they could and treated him as utmost priority. However now trying to get mental health care through CAMHS for my daughter... totally different. Long waiting lists to be seen and advised to go to a&e if the shit hits the fan "Mental health services for children / teenagers are notoriously sparse | |||
not even confident i will get my painful mouth sorted out next month now either.
i'm using an NHS one.
never had problems when i needed my wisdom teeth out, or when my back teeth needed coating.
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"my dental hygenist said she was going to fit me for dentures end of october, she changed her mind and i have to wait until feb. i've only got one front tooth missing, and have made my own temporary false tooth, but still.
not even confident i will get my painful mouth sorted out next month now either.
i'm using an NHS one.
never had problems when i needed my wisdom teeth out, or when my back teeth needed coating.
"You made your own temporary tooth | |||
"my dental hygenist said she was going to fit me for dentures end of october, she changed her mind and i have to wait until feb. i've only got one front tooth missing, and have made my own temporary false tooth, but still.
not even confident i will get my painful mouth sorted out next month now either.
i'm using an NHS one.
never had problems when i needed my wisdom teeth out, or when my back teeth needed coating.
You made your own temporary tooth "yes. they're easy enough to make and fit yourself, although can fall out if you laugh because your lips will push on it. i made a gold one. | |||
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"Pretty shit to be honest. I paid to privately see a doctor since I was sick of waiting and waiting and waiting." Same. I developed a salavary gland stone. 4 months I was waiting for a referral. In the end my face ballooned and walk in centre rushed me straight into ENT. Still waiting for an op though. Funnily enough thougj, contacted bupa and it was the same specialist who would be seeing me  | |||
"Pretty shit to be honest. I paid to privately see a doctor since I was sick of waiting and waiting and waiting. Same. I developed a salavary gland stone. 4 months I was waiting for a referral. In the end my face ballooned and walk in centre rushed me straight into ENT. Still waiting for an op though. Funnily enough thougj, contacted bupa and it was the same specialist who would be seeing me "It was Crohn's disease for me. Paid to see the doctor privately, then a couple of weeks later I was in under the NHS. Could of got in straight away privately but would of racked bills up to the region of £5000. So by paying I was in as an NHS patient 2 weeks later. Despite around 8 weeks on waiting lists previously with still no date. | |||
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"this tory government has deliberately and with extreme malice run down the nhs so that they and their cronies make vast amounts of money out of the mess I personally would have hunt and may flogged to death " If its all the evil tories fault why was it shit after 13 years of labour? | |||
", GP surgeries are not ideal for children, many have now removed toys and books due to health and safety so children get bored after 20 min or so; whilst I have no problem waiting, I hate going with my children as it's not a child friendly environment. " Well they did find those toys where covered in bacteria. Bur why not just take one of your childs own toys with you for them to play with? | |||
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"this tory government has deliberately and with extreme malice run down the nhs so that they and their cronies make vast amounts of money out of the mess I personally would have hunt and may flogged to death " The same old tired lines from the clause4istas forgetting their brethren are part of the reason the NHS is so wasteful. anyone who has worked i nthe real world and then in the NHS will be able to identify huge savings that could and should be made ... but management are unwilling to do so lest it upset Uni(s)on bods | |||
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"Nothing has changed they still have same amount of doc and nurses and beds Only thing thats hanged is people who go to a&e for the minor things and block it up for those in more serious need Gone are the days when we sucked it up and carried on with life Nhs dont need change Sociaty needs a fucking good slap and a wake up call though" somewhat harshly worded but misuse of emergency departments has been an ever rising issue since Blair's wicked wheeze of the 4 hour target and the 'new' GP contract which made opting out of arranging your own OOH provision far too cheap | |||
"I've found that the quality of NHS care varies hugely depending on the department and area. Locally a friend was really impressed with ICU but has been far less impressed with the follow up care. My granddad received excellent end of life care locally. When in hospital in town my mum found the staff willing but overwhelmed. She is currently recovering from a joint replacement done at Wigan, and reckons the service and care there is comparable to private medical care... Nita" I'm guessing wrightington? | |||
"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening "Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout? | |||
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"My experience has been generally fine other than the shard of glass that a surgeon left in my finger for three years!! "yep, fished it all out for you fella" eh.... "Why didn't you do it yourself before ? | |||
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"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?"Did you realkly just compare hospitaloity to doctors working within the NHS? | |||
"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
Did you realkly just compare hospitaloity to doctors working within the NHS? "While what happened to your relative was an error and clearly unacceptable , I don't think anyone is going to die because you arranged the wrong amount of bar staff. And I'm pretty sure that error probably happened because of understaffing | |||
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"Hmm couldn't fault them when my late husband took ill. They did everything they could and treated him as utmost priority. However now trying to get mental health care through CAMHS for my daughter... totally different. Long waiting lists to be seen and advised to go to a&e if the shit hits the fan "I could offer private advice on that if you want to message me. | |||
"My experience has been generally fine other than the shard of glass that a surgeon left in my finger for three years!! "yep, fished it all out for you fella" eh....
Why didn't you do it yourself before ?"It only started bothering me about 6 weeks ago, finally went at it with a Stanley and a pair of tweezers last week and dug it out. Up until then it must have been sat just behind the bone until my body wanted rid of it and it found its way to the surface | |||
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"I blame the uneducated public for causing this mess. Blocking up A&E for things that are not an accident or emergency and going to see the doctor for trivial things. Then there's the amount of people who miss their appointments! These kinds of things should incur a penalty." A good 30% of people in A n E departments shouldn't be there. About a third of them (10%) should be somewhere else in the health service....but sometimes can't be because they are shut or overcrowded at the time too.....so funding missing from there it could be argued? The rest shouldn't even be near the health service at all. The OP asked for our recent experience. In May I broke my elbow playing football just before half time. Thinking I'd just wrenched/bruised it I carried on playing (scored two more goals...!). At end of game mates insisted I had it looked at...there was a first aider available at the club.....they suspected broken and were going to call an ambulance. As that would be mega inconvenient for me....leaving my car behind etc...I opted to drive myself to my local A n E in Worcester. I was treated brilliantly....with just the right amount of sarcastic humour about playing football at my age. Broken elbow confirmed by X-Ray and out again within 2 hours complete with appointment for fracture clinic the next Monday morning. However the rest of the waiting room seemed to be populated by a few sniffs and coughs...nothing else visible. And specifically.... A grazed knee (cleaned with a wipe and then covered by a medium sized bandaid and sent out). A small splinter in an index finger...removed in 5 seconds by a pair of eyebrow tweezers. Another small cut on a teenagers elbow....after 35 minutes of mother moaning about not being seen immediately she stormed out and said she was going to Tesco to get a plaster herself! WTF planet are these people on? Remove them...kick them straight out if necessary and a big chunk of the problems in A n E have gone at a stroke! | |||
"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?"a role in hospitality as worthwhile as the service may be to the guest is not a comparison to the role of a trained nurse, its nonsense to suggest it.. why did you not as the relative get some refreshment for your relative..? why would anyone leave someone who they knew needed refreshment without ensuring that the nil by mouth was amended before they left..? | |||
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"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
Did you realkly just compare hospitaloity to doctors working within the NHS? "Yes! | |||
"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
Did you realkly just compare hospitaloity to doctors working within the NHS?
While what happened to your relative was an error and clearly unacceptable , I don't think anyone is going to die because you arranged the wrong amount of bar staff. And I'm pretty sure that error probably happened because of understaffing "5 nurses chatting! | |||
"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
Did you realkly just compare hospitaloity to doctors working within the NHS?
Yes!"And how are they comparable? | |||
"Speak to any front line staff in the NHS and they'll tell you the same thing - there are huge underfunding and underresourcing issues across the when organisation and it us only the dedication of the staff many of whom constantly go above and beyond what is expected that keeping it going." | |||
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"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
Did you realkly just compare hospitaloity to doctors working within the NHS?
While what happened to your relative was an error and clearly unacceptable , I don't think anyone is going to die because you arranged the wrong amount of bar staff. And I'm pretty sure that error probably happened because of understaffing
5 nurses chatting!"What you were watching the nurses for48 hours ? | |||
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"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
a role in hospitality as worthwhile as the service may be to the guest is not a comparison to the role of a trained nurse, its nonsense to suggest it..
why did you not as the relative get some refreshment for your relative..?
why would anyone leave someone who they knew needed refreshment without ensuring that the nil by mouth was amended before they left..?
"I'm not sure I said that I left them without.... as meal times had finished and he had been offered nothing I left the hospital and went to a local supermarket and provided sustinence. Whe I expressly asked that the nil by mouth be amended and the nurse said I'll do that now... being the professional trained nurse, realising the importance would have gone and done just that. As the nurse said above about being told what to do .... it would send them to the back of the queue? Bit odd for the caring profession but hey ho! I also left plenty of food and drinks to last till my next visit. One of the reasons the NHS may be understaffed may be due to budgets being spent paying out claims made by patients who receive poor care? I don't see nurses running around, I don't see them quickly moving to the next patient I see staff chatting about shite! | |||
"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
Did you realkly just compare hospitaloity to doctors working within the NHS?
While what happened to your relative was an error and clearly unacceptable , I don't think anyone is going to die because you arranged the wrong amount of bar staff. And I'm pretty sure that error probably happened because of understaffing
5 nurses chatting!
What you were watching the nurses for48 hours ? "Nope! The sign remained the same for 48 hours! And absolutely no one will die.... so why wouldn't the doctors and nurses who were I repeat chatting care for their patients who may die? | |||
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"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
Did you realkly just compare hospitaloity to doctors working within the NHS?
Yes!
And how are they comparable? "Both work done by people trained to do so! | |||
"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
a role in hospitality as worthwhile as the service may be to the guest is not a comparison to the role of a trained nurse, its nonsense to suggest it..
why did you not as the relative get some refreshment for your relative..?
why would anyone leave someone who they knew needed refreshment without ensuring that the nil by mouth was amended before they left..?
I'm not sure I said that I left them without.... as meal times had finished and he had been offered nothing I left the hospital and went to a local supermarket and provided sustinence. Whe I expressly asked that the nil by mouth be amended and the nurse said I'll do that now... being the professional trained nurse, realising the importance would have gone and done just that. As the nurse said above about being told what to do .... it would send them to the back of the queue? Bit odd for the caring profession but hey ho! I also left plenty of food and drinks to last till my next visit. One of the reasons the NHS may be understaffed may be due to budgets being spent paying out claims made by patients who receive poor care?
I don't see nurses running around, I don't see them quickly moving to the next patient I see staff chatting about shite!"Tell ya what would love to see you walk a day in my shoes on the ward I worked in ha ha you might not have such warped _iews on nurses then. Just remember you have no idea what's going on, on that ward your only assuming you know. For every 1 bad nurse there are 1000 good. Every time you stop a nurse asking for her to remove a sight you could have delayed her giving a life saving drug to another patient. And while you sit and assume those nurses are having a chit chat they may be deciding how to deal with that patient that's about to take their last breath. They may be the ones to pick up the pieces after a family being told their child has cancer. People are good at dissing the nurses but you wouldn't diss them if they saved your life by ignoring joes sign while they have you cpr. | |||
"Sorry to say but Migrants should be charged to use the N.H.S. When we visit other countries we have to pay for treatment,and some wont even look at you unless its money up front.Foreigners should be billed for emergency treatment,they should be billed for a consultation,on top of the cost of their treatment,with staff presenting chip and pin machines at their bedsides,why shouldnt this happen.Its like a free for all." They are charged. It is up to the hospital to follow through with getting the payment. However, anyone in need of emergency care should get this. We are a civilised society, aren't we? | |||
"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
Did you realkly just compare hospitaloity to doctors working within the NHS?
Yes!
And how are they comparable?
Both work done by people trained to do so!"No disrespect but any udiot can serve drinks, what;s the training - 10 minutes? | |||
"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
a role in hospitality as worthwhile as the service may be to the guest is not a comparison to the role of a trained nurse, its nonsense to suggest it..
why did you not as the relative get some refreshment for your relative..?
why would anyone leave someone who they knew needed refreshment without ensuring that the nil by mouth was amended before they left..?
I'm not sure I said that I left them without.... as meal times had finished and he had been offered nothing I left the hospital and went to a local supermarket and provided sustinence. Whe I expressly asked that the nil by mouth be amended and the nurse said I'll do that now... being the professional trained nurse, realising the importance would have gone and done just that. As the nurse said above about being told what to do .... it would send them to the back of the queue? Bit odd for the caring profession but hey ho! I also left plenty of food and drinks to last till my next visit. One of the reasons the NHS may be understaffed may be due to budgets being spent paying out claims made by patients who receive poor care?
I don't see nurses running around, I don't see them quickly moving to the next patient I see staff chatting about shite!
Tell ya what would love to see you walk a day in my shoes on the ward I worked in ha ha you might not have such warped _iews on nurses then.
Just remember you have no idea what's going on, on that ward your only assuming you know.
For every 1 bad nurse there are 1000 good. Every time you stop a nurse asking for her to remove a sight you could have delayed her giving a life saving drug to another patient. And while you sit and assume those nurses are having a chit chat they may be deciding how to deal with that patient that's about to take their last breath. They may be the ones to pick up the pieces after a family being told their child has cancer.
People are good at dissing the nurses but you wouldn't diss them if they saved your life by ignoring joes sign while they have you cpr. "My _iew isn't warped! On the occasion I referred to 5 staff were chatting immediately in front of me, ignoring me, while they discussed their weekend. I didn't want to go into so much detail but I asked every visit ( I was there often) if my relative could have sustinence- sustinence being the things like food and water that keep them alive, in as good health as possible, less likely to suffer complications.... after asking and asking and while waiting as I was being ignored I saw a TV screen with each patients name and various instructions ... one of these was F&D with a tick. After asking if he could have food and drink and being told no as the sign hadn't been changed I questioned the sign and its meaning.... which established that he could be given food and drink. I went away got refreshment as no nurse said "you know what I'll break off from this chat and go and get something" then I asked on leaving, and satisfied he had eaten, that the sign be changed specifically asking "can you do that now?" Yes and off she headed towards the ward... but didn't... maybe because I asked the malicious actions of the nurse (as described above) to consciously deprive care was my fault. He was transferred for further care without medication, without sufficient notes to ensure medication was delivered and I then had to manage that process too! When I firmly challenged this I was called to a room where three staff attempted to tell me I didn't have any idea what I was talking about. I then showed the woman dealing with me how the internet worked to find a gps number! I was a bit more diplomatic earlier, but my experience is that the profession does not care! I must be so unlucky that I get the 1-1000 who couldn't give a shit!, in different hospitals at different times with multiple staff involved. I wouldn't suggest that all are the same but my experiences tell me the majority are! And I'd walk in those shoes anytime! | |||
"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
Did you realkly just compare hospitaloity to doctors working within the NHS?
Yes!
And how are they comparable?
Both work done by people trained to do so!
No disrespect but any udiot can serve drinks, what;s the training - 10 minutes?"The udiot that serves the drinks will have considerably more training than that in most cases and in line with their responsibilities. They may not take their job too seriously, no one will die... though if they don't work fast and efficiently they will lose their job! Health professionals should also work quickly and efficiently and with a greater level of care to their customer! | |||
"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
a role in hospitality as worthwhile as the service may be to the guest is not a comparison to the role of a trained nurse, its nonsense to suggest it..
why did you not as the relative get some refreshment for your relative..?
why would anyone leave someone who they knew needed refreshment without ensuring that the nil by mouth was amended before they left..?
I'm not sure I said that I left them without.... as meal times had finished and he had been offered nothing I left the hospital and went to a local supermarket and provided sustinence. Whe I expressly asked that the nil by mouth be amended and the nurse said I'll do that now... being the professional trained nurse, realising the importance would have gone and done just that. As the nurse said above about being told what to do .... it would send them to the back of the queue? Bit odd for the caring profession but hey ho! I also left plenty of food and drinks to last till my next visit. One of the reasons the NHS may be understaffed may be due to budgets being spent paying out claims made by patients who receive poor care?
I don't see nurses running around, I don't see them quickly moving to the next patient I see staff chatting about shite!
Tell ya what would love to see you walk a day in my shoes on the ward I worked in ha ha you might not have such warped _iews on nurses then.
Just remember you have no idea what's going on, on that ward your only assuming you know.
For every 1 bad nurse there are 1000 good. Every time you stop a nurse asking for her to remove a sight you could have delayed her giving a life saving drug to another patient. And while you sit and assume those nurses are having a chit chat they may be deciding how to deal with that patient that's about to take their last breath. They may be the ones to pick up the pieces after a family being told their child has cancer.
People are good at dissing the nurses but you wouldn't diss them if they saved your life by ignoring joes sign while they have you cpr.
My _iew isn't warped! On the occasion I referred to 5 staff were chatting immediately in front of me, ignoring me, while they discussed their weekend. I didn't want to go into so much detail but I asked every visit ( I was there often) if my relative could have sustinence- sustinence being the things like food and water that keep them alive, in as good health as possible, less likely to suffer complications.... after asking and asking and while waiting as I was being ignored I saw a TV screen with each patients name and various instructions ... one of these was F&D with a tick. After asking if he could have food and drink and being told no as the sign hadn't been changed I questioned the sign and its meaning.... which established that he could be given food and drink. I went away got refreshment as no nurse said "you know what I'll break off from this chat and go and get something" then I asked on leaving, and satisfied he had eaten, that the sign be changed specifically asking "can you do that now?" Yes and off she headed towards the ward... but didn't... maybe because I asked the malicious actions of the nurse (as described above) to consciously deprive care was my fault. He was transferred for further care without medication, without sufficient notes to ensure medication was delivered and I then had to manage that process too! When I firmly challenged this I was called to a room where three staff attempted to tell me I didn't have any idea what I was talking about. I then showed the woman dealing with me how the internet worked to find a gps number!
I was a bit more diplomatic earlier, but my experience is that the profession does not care! I must be so unlucky that I get the 1-1000 who couldn't give a shit!, in different hospitals at different times with multiple staff involved. I wouldn't suggest that all are the same but my experiences tell me the majority are!
And I'd walk in those shoes anytime! "Well I've never had anyone say they would walk in my shoes infact most say they couldn't. Never easy telling a parent there child has cancer knowing the prognosis isn't good. Sitting g watching a first time mum nurse her baby when it's got broncilitos and on cpa because it can't breath for its self. Explaining to a child that it's having an operation to fix a naughty bone. On top of that this morning your patient died he was 7 and had lukemia you had been nursing him 2 years you were part of his family you were his favorite nurse but you can't cry though your heart is broken into a million pieces because you have other patients that need medication/X-rays/re_iews oh and it's 17.00 you started at 8am not had a break no food drink or a toilet stop. So when do you want my size 5's to walk??. | |||
"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
a role in hospitality as worthwhile as the service may be to the guest is not a comparison to the role of a trained nurse, its nonsense to suggest it..
why did you not as the relative get some refreshment for your relative..?
why would anyone leave someone who they knew needed refreshment without ensuring that the nil by mouth was amended before they left..?
I'm not sure I said that I left them without.... as meal times had finished and he had been offered nothing I left the hospital and went to a local supermarket and provided sustinence. Whe I expressly asked that the nil by mouth be amended and the nurse said I'll do that now... being the professional trained nurse, realising the importance would have gone and done just that. As the nurse said above about being told what to do .... it would send them to the back of the queue? Bit odd for the caring profession but hey ho! I also left plenty of food and drinks to last till my next visit. One of the reasons the NHS may be understaffed may be due to budgets being spent paying out claims made by patients who receive poor care?
I don't see nurses running around, I don't see them quickly moving to the next patient I see staff chatting about shite!
Tell ya what would love to see you walk a day in my shoes on the ward I worked in ha ha you might not have such warped _iews on nurses then.
Just remember you have no idea what's going on, on that ward your only assuming you know.
For every 1 bad nurse there are 1000 good. Every time you stop a nurse asking for her to remove a sight you could have delayed her giving a life saving drug to another patient. And while you sit and assume those nurses are having a chit chat they may be deciding how to deal with that patient that's about to take their last breath. They may be the ones to pick up the pieces after a family being told their child has cancer.
People are good at dissing the nurses but you wouldn't diss them if they saved your life by ignoring joes sign while they have you cpr.
My _iew isn't warped! On the occasion I referred to 5 staff were chatting immediately in front of me, ignoring me, while they discussed their weekend. I didn't want to go into so much detail but I asked every visit ( I was there often) if my relative could have sustinence- sustinence being the things like food and water that keep them alive, in as good health as possible, less likely to suffer complications.... after asking and asking and while waiting as I was being ignored I saw a TV screen with each patients name and various instructions ... one of these was F&D with a tick. After asking if he could have food and drink and being told no as the sign hadn't been changed I questioned the sign and its meaning.... which established that he could be given food and drink. I went away got refreshment as no nurse said "you know what I'll break off from this chat and go and get something" then I asked on leaving, and satisfied he had eaten, that the sign be changed specifically asking "can you do that now?" Yes and off she headed towards the ward... but didn't... maybe because I asked the malicious actions of the nurse (as described above) to consciously deprive care was my fault. He was transferred for further care without medication, without sufficient notes to ensure medication was delivered and I then had to manage that process too! When I firmly challenged this I was called to a room where three staff attempted to tell me I didn't have any idea what I was talking about. I then showed the woman dealing with me how the internet worked to find a gps number!
I was a bit more diplomatic earlier, but my experience is that the profession does not care! I must be so unlucky that I get the 1-1000 who couldn't give a shit!, in different hospitals at different times with multiple staff involved. I wouldn't suggest that all are the same but my experiences tell me the majority are!
And I'd walk in those shoes anytime!
Well I've never had anyone say they would walk in my shoes infact most say they couldn't.
Never easy telling a parent there child has cancer knowing the prognosis isn't good.
Sitting g watching a first time mum nurse her baby when it's got broncilitos and on cpa because it can't breath for its self.
Explaining to a child that it's having an operation to fix a naughty bone.
On top of that this morning your patient died he was 7 and had lukemia you had been nursing him 2 years you were part of his family you were his favorite nurse but you can't cry though your heart is broken into a million pieces because you have other patients that need medication/X-rays/re_iews oh and it's 17.00 you started at 8am not had a break no food drink or a toilet stop.
So when do you want my size 5's to walk??. "I nearly posted just after my last regarding those sort of situations, you sound like you have true compassion for your patients and for that I salute you. You must be in the 1000.... walk in your shoes... I would, I honestly would tomorrow if I could, however I didn't choose your career. Now the OP asked for recent experiences.... can you now examine the situation from my point of _iew... the above was a failed suicide attempt by my father at 63, a 'normal', genuine, wouldn't hurt a fly, none drinker, no drugs, would help anyone sort of man who has suffered depression throughout his life. He has now cut himself to ribbons his mental state is fragile to say the least. The staff at the hospital left him without food or drink, him asking me, me being told he can't because it says nil by mouth, me having to tell him the same. The negligence shown, not just by the five who were sat chatting, each time I asked no one checked, no one could be arsed. There was no understaffing evident at any time while there, the pace was leisurely at its fastest. I would have tied up more time asking to speak to a doctor had I not found the patient information, a nurse to find them then the more expensive doctors time in answering a question that didn't need asking had the nurses bothered to check. Poor use of resource, poorly managed, poor care... should my father have suffered complications due to dehydration that would lead to further expense ... should something worse occur, I would be claiming compensation for that negligence, further unnecessary expense.... How should I feel? | |||
"this tory government has deliberately and with extreme malice run down the nhs so that they and their cronies make vast amounts of money out of the mess I personally would have hunt and may flogged to death The same old tired lines from the clause4istas forgetting their brethren are part of the reason the NHS is so wasteful. anyone who has worked i nthe real world and then in the NHS will be able to identify huge savings that could and should be made ... but management are unwilling to do so lest it upset Uni(s)on bods " | |||
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"I broke my arm early in 2015 and it was put in a cast and then a brace for a few weeks till my op came up...... I can't even make a cup of coffee my arm is of no use what so ever to me. ........ For the 2 years I've been on sick pay not being able to work and not being able to do any work in my house. But mine has been a total joke to be honest " I agree that being effectively 1-handed is hard - my mum had no use of her right (main) arm for many many months until her recent op. There were are still are lots of things she can't do that require 2 hands. However, that didn't stop her doing housework, making lunches and drinks etc... She (and I assume you)have another arm. Yes it is difficult but not impossible. Have you looked into getting the op done at a different NHS trust? Don't know what you do for a living, but would have thought most employers would have roles suitable for a 1 armed person. Clerical, telephone etc... Getting back to work will help you feel more positive. Nita | |||
", GP surgeries are not ideal for children, many have now removed toys and books due to health and safety so children get bored after 20 min or so; whilst I have no problem waiting, I hate going with my children as it's not a child friendly environment. Well they did find those toys where covered in bacteria. Bur why not just take one of your childs own toys with you for them to play with?" Why are the toys in surgeries covered in bacteria, but not hospitals? Surely you'd expect the same level of cleanliness. As for taking some toys for my children, I have done several times in the past. But when your doctors surgery doesn't open the phone lines until 8.30am and you have already left the house, it's quite difficulty to get toys when you won't be back home until after you've been to the doctors, as you never know if you'll get an appointment that day or what time of the day, but you take the one that is offered as you never know when you'll be able to get in again. | |||
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"I blame the uneducated public for causing this mess. Blocking up A&E for things that are not an accident or emergency and going to see the doctor for trivial things. Then there's the amount of people who miss their appointments! These kinds of things should incur a penalty." The problem with saying they're going to A&E when they don't need to is that in a fair few cases (not all but some) symptoms of harmless issues can present similar. About two years ago VS had stiff joints, especially the neck, a fever and sensitivity to light. All symptoms of meningitis. So we call an ambulance who take us to A&E. Drs put her straight in a bed with a cannula in. Get IV antibiotics ready and order a blood test to confirm meningitis. Turned out the most serious thing one with her was the start of a UTI, with a few more minor issues muddling the symptoms up. We felt like right idiots, but we genuinely believed A&E was where we needed to be. If you're gonna start charging people for going when they don't need to, you need a way to work out those who didn't think, to those who genuinely thought they needed A&E. | |||
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"NHS is amazing and by virtually all measures provides the best health care at the lowest cost in the world. The staff are treated like sh1t in the main and are only holding it together whilst working to exhaustion. There is a clear plan to bring about it's privatisation by the government. I suggest that you read the book "Austerity, The Demoloition of the Welfare State and the Rise of the Zombie Economy" which explains how this is being done. You need to fight for it now folks if you want to keep it. Remember that the total amount thrown at the banks by the taxpayer to enable their casino banking scams and cocaine fuelled lifestyles to continue was £1.16 trillion. By one of life’s more meaningful coincidences, that would have paid to run the whole of the NHS for 10 years. We're all in it together." Here here along with the social care system. | |||
", GP surgeries are not ideal for children, many have now removed toys and books due to health and safety so children get bored after 20 min or so; whilst I have no problem waiting, I hate going with my children as it's not a child friendly environment. Well they did find those toys where covered in bacteria. Bur why not just take one of your childs own toys with you for them to play with? Why are the toys in surgeries covered in bacteria, but not hospitals? Surely you'd expect the same level of cleanliness. As for taking some toys for my children, I have done several times in the past. But when your doctors surgery doesn't open the phone lines until 8.30am and you have already left the house, it's quite difficulty to get toys when you won't be back home until after you've been to the doctors, as you never know if you'll get an appointment that day or what time of the day, but you take the one that is offered as you never know when you'll be able to get in again. " Hospitals have an infection control team as well as a specialised unit of cleaners. I would imagine though that toys are not a good idea as they are of course covered in bacteria. The GPs are responsible for employing their own staff and I suppose they keep this to the basics and I bet the working hours don't extend to having to clean toys. Your child is your responsibility and therefore you will have to find a way to amuse them. | |||
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"we all have different experiences. here's mine. Gp's, trusts or whatever they call themselves are shocking. both as a patient and having to inspect as part of my job for their funding makes me dream of my doc when i was a kid. they cared, they called in as they were passing to check up on my mum as she was poorly. if they gave good service A&E could breathe. A&E fantastic. from broken bones at xmas, friends in extreme pain and even when there was nothing they could do they let my folks have a moment to gather ourselves rather than turf us out for the bed. the drag down of A&E are people walking in demanding immediate treatment for a headache or minor which could be gp issue. but see above. Once on a ward, shocking management permitting poor treatment and cleanliness. but before we start kicking the nhs think about where else you can get free immediate treatment after a bit of waiting, the nhs is on the brink of collapse and where will you get free treatment then? start chasing your mp's/ government as to where the mkney goes and dont take no for an answer. we cannot lose this. phew, feeling better now. "It's not free! | |||
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"The one thing that has stuck out in the past few weeks is the ungratefulness (don't want a pat on the back) and rudeness of patients relatives! First of all I know people have places to be, but when you've run about for 7-8hrs non-stop, understaffed, taking on roles your not reaponsible for because your 3/4 staff down & don't know what your doing properly...not had a zip of water, in pain cos you've had no time to pee, not had a bite to eat since yr banana first thing, seeing oncology pts (not that they are superior to anyone else - but when they're on limited time) obviously you want to do your best & make the experience as quick and as smooth as possible!! Yet, some relatives do nothing but eye ball you, constant badgering 'how long now nurse', huff, pass rude comments like 'you don't rush here do you?' Or 'jeeeeze nurse - can you put yr cuppa down'. WTF!!!!! We are human beings like you not robots and working as fast and as safe as we can!!! Give us a fucking break!!! Your huffing at the wrong people - educate yourself and do something about it!!! Plus if you don't want to be with your relative when they most need you, do one and let us love and care for them and do our job properly. Btw - the comment above who said 'know what treatment u need and shout about it'. I'm sorry luv but your shouting wouldn't get seen any quicker by me!!! You'd go to the back of the queue!!!! Bellend!!! Rant over - than you for listening
Only running around (and I've never witnessed that) for 7/8 hours.... pop into a role in hospitality you'd live only 7/8.... ok so my relative who was in bed for over 48hours without any form of nutrition because someone didn't change the sign... should I shout?
a role in hospitality as worthwhile as the service may be to the guest is not a comparison to the role of a trained nurse, its nonsense to suggest it..
why did you not as the relative get some refreshment for your relative..?
why would anyone leave someone who they knew needed refreshment without ensuring that the nil by mouth was amended before they left..?
I'm not sure I said that I left them without.... as meal times had finished and he had been offered nothing I left the hospital and went to a local supermarket and provided sustinence. Whe I expressly asked that the nil by mouth be amended and the nurse said I'll do that now... being the professional trained nurse, realising the importance would have gone and done just that. As the nurse said above about being told what to do .... it would send them to the back of the queue? Bit odd for the caring profession but hey ho! I also left plenty of food and drinks to last till my next visit. One of the reasons the NHS may be understaffed may be due to budgets being spent paying out claims made by patients who receive poor care?
I don't see nurses running around, I don't see them quickly moving to the next patient I see staff chatting about shite!
Tell ya what would love to see you walk a day in my shoes on the ward I worked in ha ha you might not have such warped _iews on nurses then.
Just remember you have no idea what's going on, on that ward your only assuming you know.
For every 1 bad nurse there are 1000 good. Every time you stop a nurse asking for her to remove a sight you could have delayed her giving a life saving drug to another patient. And while you sit and assume those nurses are having a chit chat they may be deciding how to deal with that patient that's about to take their last breath. They may be the ones to pick up the pieces after a family being told their child has cancer.
People are good at dissing the nurses but you wouldn't diss them if they saved your life by ignoring joes sign while they have you cpr.
My _iew isn't warped! On the occasion I referred to 5 staff were chatting immediately in front of me, ignoring me, while they discussed their weekend. I didn't want to go into so much detail but I asked every visit ( I was there often) if my relative could have sustinence- sustinence being the things like food and water that keep them alive, in as good health as possible, less likely to suffer complications.... after asking and asking and while waiting as I was being ignored I saw a TV screen with each patients name and various instructions ... one of these was F&D with a tick. After asking if he could have food and drink and being told no as the sign hadn't been changed I questioned the sign and its meaning.... which established that he could be given food and drink. I went away got refreshment as no nurse said "you know what I'll break off from this chat and go and get something" then I asked on leaving, and satisfied he had eaten, that the sign be changed specifically asking "can you do that now?" Yes and off she headed towards the ward... but didn't... maybe because I asked the malicious actions of the nurse (as described above) to consciously deprive care was my fault. He was transferred for further care without medication, without sufficient notes to ensure medication was delivered and I then had to manage that process too! When I firmly challenged this I was called to a room where three staff attempted to tell me I didn't have any idea what I was talking about. I then showed the woman dealing with me how the internet worked to find a gps number!
I was a bit more diplomatic earlier, but my experience is that the profession does not care! I must be so unlucky that I get the 1-1000 who couldn't give a shit!, in different hospitals at different times with multiple staff involved. I wouldn't suggest that all are the same but my experiences tell me the majority are!
And I'd walk in those shoes anytime!
Well I've never had anyone say they would walk in my shoes infact most say they couldn't.
Never easy telling a parent there child has cancer knowing the prognosis isn't good.
Sitting g watching a first time mum nurse her baby when it's got broncilitos and on cpa because it can't breath for its self.
Explaining to a child that it's having an operation to fix a naughty bone.
On top of that this morning your patient died he was 7 and had lukemia you had been nursing him 2 years you were part of his family you were his favorite nurse but you can't cry though your heart is broken into a million pieces because you have other patients that need medication/X-rays/re_iews oh and it's 17.00 you started at 8am not had a break no food drink or a toilet stop.
So when do you want my size 5's to walk??.
I nearly posted just after my last regarding those sort of situations, you sound like you have true compassion for your patients and for that I salute you. You must be in the 1000.... walk in your shoes... I would, I honestly would tomorrow if I could, however I didn't choose your career.
Now the OP asked for recent experiences.... can you now examine the situation from my point of _iew... the above was a failed suicide attempt by my father at 63, a 'normal', genuine, wouldn't hurt a fly, none drinker, no drugs, would help anyone sort of man who has suffered depression throughout his life. He has now cut himself to ribbons his mental state is fragile to say the least. The staff at the hospital left him without food or drink, him asking me, me being told he can't because it says nil by mouth, me having to tell him the same. The negligence shown, not just by the five who were sat chatting, each time I asked no one checked, no one could be arsed. There was no understaffing evident at any time while there, the pace was leisurely at its fastest. I would have tied up more time asking to speak to a doctor had I not found the patient information, a nurse to find them then the more expensive doctors time in answering a question that didn't need asking had the nurses bothered to check. Poor use of resource, poorly managed, poor care... should my father have suffered complications due to dehydration that would lead to further expense ... should something worse occur, I would be claiming compensation for that negligence, further unnecessary expense....
How should I feel?
"First of all I'm sorry your father had to deal with that 48 hrs being nbm unnecessarily. I'm not apologising for the nurses just that u and yr father had to deal with that!! I partly agree with you about some nurses appearing not to care!!! I'd agree some don't, they seem to only think it's a glamorous Job in a sexy uniform with an OK wage. This feeds into the plans for the government to ruin us!! I've seen and done this myself...nurses chatting between patients about the last night out or tomorrow's dinner...(normal stuff people talk about at work) doesn't mean people don't care!! They do, everyone cares!! Without sounding like I'm excusing their behaviour, and not like I don't appreciate everyone's jobs in or out of a hospital but I can assure you, staff including domestics in hospitals are under great great great pressure. To the point of being suicide themselves. The anxiety and depression that is about in the NHS right now is why it's on its knees. The thing people need to ask themselves is WHY? Don't listen to the media and use the services correctly! Look after yrself if able to mentally and physically - obese and 'mentally ill pts (the pretend ones to get benefits) put a lot of pressure on the NHS...wasting a lot of money!! We know it needs a shake up and possibly getting rid of few bad nurses, doctors, domestic etc. First though, blame the fat cats who are trying to ruin us by feeding into everyone's struggles and blaming the NHS staff!! They really are struggling!! I'm not replying after this because if it's offensive!! I'm not here to rip it trod on anyone's misfortune or jobs!! We're all struggling!!! | |||
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"we all have different experiences. here's mine. Gp's, trusts or whatever they call themselves are shocking. both as a patient and having to inspect as part of my job for their funding makes me dream of my doc when i was a kid. they cared, they called in as they were passing to check up on my mum as she was poorly. if they gave good service A&E could breathe. A&E fantastic. from broken bones at xmas, friends in extreme pain and even when there was nothing they could do they let my folks have a moment to gather ourselves rather than turf us out for the bed. the drag down of A&E are people walking in demanding immediate treatment for a headache or minor which could be gp issue. but see above. Once on a ward, shocking management permitting poor treatment and cleanliness. but before we start kicking the nhs think about where else you can get free immediate treatment after a bit of waiting, the nhs is on the brink of collapse and where will you get free treatment then? start chasing your mp's/ government as to where the mkney goes and dont take no for an answer. we cannot lose this. phew, feeling better now. "Its not free though i pay over 1k a month in tax/ni etc. | |||
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"we all have different experiences. here's mine. Gp's, trusts or whatever they call themselves are shocking. both as a patient and having to inspect as part of my job for their funding makes me dream of my doc when i was a kid. they cared, they called in as they were passing to check up on my mum as she was poorly. if they gave good service A&E could breathe. A&E fantastic. from broken bones at xmas, friends in extreme pain and even when there was nothing they could do they let my folks have a moment to gather ourselves rather than turf us out for the bed. the drag down of A&E are people walking in demanding immediate treatment for a headache or minor which could be gp issue. but see above. Once on a ward, shocking management permitting poor treatment and cleanliness. but before we start kicking the nhs think about where else you can get free immediate treatment after a bit of waiting, the nhs is on the brink of collapse and where will you get free treatment then? start chasing your mp's/ government as to where the mkney goes and dont take no for an answer. we cannot lose this. phew, feeling better now.
Its not free though i pay over 1k a month in tax/ni etc.
"Same as everyone else who's working! That's why u can turn up at A&E with a broken arm and get fixed up (X-ray hmm £200, plastered £150, doctors time ££4-500 guessing, nurses time £0.89 an hour ha £14 guessing) etc etc without paying anything and u could even need cancer treatment which is around £6-800 per vile. Your gonna need about 400 of those viles to get you through one course! We're lucky to have it...if people don't like it....pay private and pay for repeated consultations which could be told in one nhs consultation! Simples!! | |||
