have you ever found, when you are having a chat with some one that they start talking a lot of crap about a subject they know very little about.
Lets take photography as a start - why oh why do folk with a compact do every thing digi cam think they are pro photographers.
a Pro anything does his time as a student then an assistant then as a pro. Yes they are expensive (not as costly as a plumber) but it is not just the pushing of the shutter that they have to deal with its the sorting of any problems that can occur during a shoot.
a good example is weddings, ever seen the wedding photos where the bride or groom has a tree growing out their head.
an amature will turn up and do photos a Pro will check to see what the location is like and will talk with the client to give them what they want and will give the best value in the end.
so it all adds up to when talking to a Pro (anything) just remember we do it for a living and if we were crap we would not have a job. so listen and take advise it might help
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exactly, hence i wouldnt dream of trying to talk rubbish if i knew nothing of the subject. Oh but I would take advice (not advise) but advice, but would dream of advising anyone lol |
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i understand your frustration the problem is as you indicate the technology has dropped the price of half decent acquisition.
People can shoot dozens and dozens of shots at no cost and quite by chance get 3 or 4 resonable shots.A six mp slr can be had for less that a couple of hundred quid on ebay and elsewhere and is invariably left on auto.So the shutters whizz away and everyone is a David Baily ..same thing has happend with other forms of media .Including video ,broadcast quality hi def cameras transfering to low cost non-linear post production, Means chuck an off camera mic on top and your away
Yhe problem is no camera so far has a button marked visual literacy.
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"i thought u would have had better pics on your profile for a prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro  "
Lighting, composition, pose all terrible, shadows all over the place.
Perhaps getting a professional in to take some pics would improve the overall profile appearance  |
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"i thought u would have had better pics on your profile for a prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro
Lighting, composition, pose all terrible, shadows all over the place.
Perhaps getting a professional in to take some pics would improve the overall profile appearance "
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"i thought u would have had better pics on your profile for a prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro
Lighting, composition, pose all terrible, shadows all over the place.
Perhaps getting a professional in to take some pics would improve the overall profile appearance
photo shop is the new black"
Photo shop is so yesterday, Paint.net is the new here and now |
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hmmmm and some amateurs have real brains they can use and skills they aquire, as well as common sense - and actually produce pictures of good quality and worth exhibiting and selling
...and some pros are pompous, patronising and still take shite photos for all their " professional" status
who defines if you're a professional anyhow - qualification, training, sales ?
lets cut the snobbery and get back to the sex  |
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"hmmmm and some amateurs have real brains they can use and skills they aquire, as well as common sense - and actually produce pictures of good quality and worth exhibiting and selling
...and some pros are pompous, patronising and still take shite photos for all their " professional" status
who defines if you're a professional anyhow - qualification, training, sales ?
lets cut the snobbery and get back to the sex "
Now there's a first, a women talking sense.............. 
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"i thought u would have had better pics on your profile for a prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro
Lighting, composition, pose all terrible, shadows all over the place.
Perhaps getting a professional in to take some pics would improve the overall profile appearance
photo shop is the new black
Photo shop is so yesterday, Paint.net is the new here and now "
ooo not sure about that ..paint .net is brilliant if all you want to do is basic retouching bit of layering change the odd colour add txt ..you cant get any better or cheaper software digi editor.
But a trained up p.shop operator will blow it away and dont forget pshop is a small part of the overall suite which is the total media production product in my opinion.
I admit to non professionals its bloatware to some extent, but in the professional post production field its all things to all people ..and yes i use both some things on paint.net are quicker !!
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"hmmmm and some amateurs have real brains they can use and skills they aquire, as well as common sense - and actually produce pictures of good quality and worth exhibiting and selling
...and some pros are pompous, patronising and still take shite photos for all their " professional" status
who defines if you're a professional anyhow - qualification, training, sales ?
lets cut the snobbery and get back to the sex "
oooh ok ...when ....lol....your not an amateur ...i have seen your work and you defo have visual literacy ...!!
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There's a guy I work with who is totally self tought, doesn't go to camera clubs or anything like that, definately doesn't regard himself as professional but you should see some of the pics he takes - they are out of this world, he's sold quite a few for mags, book covers etc etc
Google 'Deljen Photography' and have a look at some of his work - I think you'll find a link to Flikr - where a massive amount of his work is displayed
Just proves that you don't need to be tagged as 'professional' do make a good job of something |
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"i thought u would have had better pics on your profile for a prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro
Lighting, composition, pose all terrible, shadows all over the place.
Perhaps getting a professional in to take some pics would improve the overall profile appearance
photo shop is the new black
Photo shop is so yesterday, Paint.net is the new here and now
ooo not sure about that ..paint .net is brilliant if all you want to do is basic retouching bit of layering change the odd colour add txt ..you cant get any better or cheaper software digi editor.
But a trained up p.shop operator will blow it away and dont forget pshop is a small part of the overall suite which is the total media production product in my opinion.
I admit to non professionals its bloatware to some extent, but in the professional post production field its all things to all people ..and yes i use both some things on paint.net are quicker !!
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I know I am not very good at it but I posted in complete jest |
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"There's a guy I work with who is totally self tought, doesn't go to camera clubs or anything like that, definately doesn't regard himself as professional but you should see some of the pics he takes - they are out of this world, he's sold quite a few for mags, book covers etc etc
Google 'Deljen Photography' and have a look at some of his work - I think you'll find a link to Flikr - where a massive amount of his work is displayed
Just proves that you don't need to be tagged as 'professional' do make a good job of something "
Totslly agree i taught lens based media for 12 years + at post degree level and some people just got it ...its what we mean by visual literacy they dont stare and point and shoot ..they see things others dont ...sprite is such a woman too .they just got it ...simples |
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"i thought u would have had better pics on your profile for a prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro
Lighting, composition, pose all terrible, shadows all over the place.
Perhaps getting a professional in to take some pics would improve the overall profile appearance
photo shop is the new black
Photo shop is so yesterday, Paint.net is the new here and now
ooo not sure about that ..paint .net is brilliant if all you want to do is basic retouching bit of layering change the odd colour add txt ..you cant get any better or cheaper software digi editor.
But a trained up p.shop operator will blow it away and dont forget pshop is a small part of the overall suite which is the total media production product in my opinion.
I admit to non professionals its bloatware to some extent, but in the professional post production field its all things to all people ..and yes i use both some things on paint.net are quicker !!
PD,
I know I am not very good at it but I posted in complete jest "
you were bang on paint.net with the plugins is bloody good so nope you failed again sorry |
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"There's a guy I work with who is totally self tought, doesn't go to camera clubs or anything like that, definately doesn't regard himself as professional but you should see some of the pics he takes - they are out of this world, he's sold quite a few for mags, book covers etc etc
Google 'Deljen Photography' and have a look at some of his work - I think you'll find a link to Flikr - where a massive amount of his work is displayed
Just proves that you don't need to be tagged as 'professional' do make a good
job of something "
exactly my point ... i've only been using a camera for 18 months but i've also had some published and sold , a tiny fraction of the many other rubbish ones i've taken lol ...but i'm really pround of some of the images i've taken and the opportunity to have been involved in an exhibition already.
i'd still call myself an amateur, i still use auto a lot ...i dont care about that --- what i object to is being patronised ( on any topic ! )
as i said - back to the sex hehehe xx |
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"There's a guy I work with who is totally self tought, doesn't go to camera clubs or anything like that, definately doesn't regard himself as professional but you should see some of the pics he takes - they are out of this world, he's sold quite a few for mags, book covers etc etc
Google 'Deljen Photography' and have a look at some of his work - I think you'll find a link to Flikr - where a massive amount of his work is displayed
Just proves that you don't need to be tagged as 'professional' do make a good
job of something
exactly my point ... i've only been using a camera for 18 months but i've also had some published and sold , a tiny fraction of the many other rubbish ones i've taken lol ...but i'm really pround of some of the images i've taken and the opportunity to have been involved in an exhibition already.
i'd still call myself an amateur, i still use auto a lot ...i dont care about that --- what i object to is being patronised ( on any topic ! )
as i said - back to the sex hehehe xx "
this is the lounge babe its any subject,which is why someone started a thread asking if joan of arc enjoyed her steak ... |
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"hmmmm and some amateurs have real brains they can use and skills they aquire, as well as common sense - and actually produce pictures of good quality and worth exhibiting and selling
...and some pros are pompous, patronising and still take shite photos for all their " professional" status
who defines if you're a professional anyhow - qualification, training, sales ?
lets cut the snobbery and get back to the sex
oooh ok ...when ....lol....your not an amateur ...i have seen your work and you defo have visual literacy ...!!
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ahh but i am an amateur- no training, no groups, no qualifications ...just an eye and one of the cheapest slrs on the market ( often on auto lol ) ..but its paid for itself , and my beautiful macro lens, by what i've sold already !
and thankyou - i know you've taught in this field so for you to say my pictures are good is a compliment xx |
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"hmmmm and some amateurs have real brains they can use and skills they aquire, as well as common sense - and actually produce pictures of good quality and worth exhibiting and selling
...and some pros are pompous, patronising and still take shite photos for all their " professional" status
who defines if you're a professional anyhow - qualification, training, sales ?
lets cut the snobbery and get back to the sex
oooh ok ...when ....lol....your not an amateur ...i have seen your work and you defo have visual literacy ...!!
ahh but i am an amateur- no training, no groups, no qualifications ...just an eye and one of the cheapest slrs on the market ( often on auto lol ) ..but its paid for itself , and my beautiful macro lens, by what i've sold already !
and thankyou - i know you've taught in this field so for you to say my pictures are good is a compliment xx"
i told you at the time and we got the same lens pmsl ...i want you to do some of me ...  |
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"hmmmm and some amateurs have real brains they can use and skills they aquire, as well as common sense - and actually produce pictures of good quality and worth exhibiting and selling
...and some pros are pompous, patronising and still take shite photos for all their " professional" status
who defines if you're a professional anyhow - qualification, training, sales ?
lets cut the snobbery and get back to the sex
Now there's a first, a women talking sense..............
How was work oh gorgeous one ?"
hello you ! it was tough..but the second day was a little less tough ...adjusted today to start this afternoon to see if that was easier, which is why im here to bug you all this morning !!
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"hmmmm and some amateurs have real brains they can use and skills they aquire, as well as common sense - and actually produce pictures of good quality and worth exhibiting and selling
...and some pros are pompous, patronising and still take shite photos for all their " professional" status
who defines if you're a professional anyhow - qualification, training, sales ?
lets cut the snobbery and get back to the sex
Now there's a first, a women talking sense..............
How was work oh gorgeous one ?
hello you ! it was tough..but the second day was a little less tough ...adjusted today to start this afternoon to see if that was easier, which is why im here to bug you all this morning !!
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Never going to bug us for sure, way too nice for that |
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"he left the thread, i guess his chackin mail to see if it worked"
pmsl kitty ...  i'd be happy to discuss techniques with him, if he doesnt mind talking to an amateur. Maybe he'd like to talk about the sad loss of cartier bresson recently and his influence on social photography
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"he left the thread, i guess his chackin mail to see if it worked
pmsl kitty ... i'd be happy to discuss techniques with him, if he doesnt mind talking to an amateur. Maybe he'd like to talk about the sad loss of cartier bresson recently and his influence on social photography
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or even leni Riefenstahl one of the greatest photographers and film directors who ever run film through a camera ,she was a looker too ...mmmmmmmm |
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"hmmmm and some amateurs have real brains they can use and skills they aquire, as well as common sense - and actually produce pictures of good quality and worth exhibiting and selling
...and some pros are pompous, patronising and still take shite photos for all their " professional" status
who defines if you're a professional anyhow - qualification, training, sales ?
lets cut the snobbery and get back to the sex "
I agree. Sex is the new photography. lol |
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so you did not read it the way i did (after i wrote it)
photography was an example, as it is a common hobby for all. i was going to use cycling but thats anal
Im talking about the "expert" who thinks they know it all but just talk crap (normally found in the corner seat of the pub)
we have all came across them at some time
ps i take a good snap shot some times the same as the rest
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" so you did not read it the way i did (after i wrote it)
photography was an example, as it is a common hobby for all. i was going to use cycling but thats anal
Im talking about the "expert" who thinks they know it all but just talk crap (normally found in the corner seat of the pub)
we have all came across them at some time
ps i take a good snap shot some times the same as the rest
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do recycling and do anal...so can i join in the convo please |
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" so you did not read it the way i did (after i wrote it)
photography was an example, as it is a common hobby for all. i was going to use cycling but thats anal
Im talking about the "expert" who thinks they know it all but just talk crap (normally found in the corner seat of the pub)
we have all came across them at some time
ps i take a good snap shot some times the same as the rest
do recycling and do anal...so can i join in the convo please "
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" so you did not read it the way i did (after i wrote it)
photography was an example, as it is a common hobby for all. i was going to use cycling but thats anal
Im talking about the "expert" who thinks they know it all but just talk crap (normally found in the corner seat of the pub)
we have all came across them at some time
ps i take a good snap shot some times the same as the rest
do recycling and do anal...so can i join in the convo please
what do you know about recycling then puss "
lots
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" so you did not read it the way i did (after i wrote it)
photography was an example, as it is a common hobby for all. i was going to use cycling but thats anal
Im talking about the "expert" who thinks they know it all but just talk crap (normally found in the corner seat of the pub)
we have all came across them at some time
ps i take a good snap shot some times the same as the rest
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just not of yourself lol |
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" so you did not read it the way i did (after i wrote it)
photography was an example, as it is a common hobby for all. i was going to use cycling but thats anal
Im talking about the "expert" who thinks they know it all but just talk crap (normally found in the corner seat of the pub)
we have all came across them at some time
ps i take a good snap shot some times the same as the rest
just not of yourself lol"
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