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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why" because they are a news reporting service? although it probably isn't news.. | |||
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Also some over 50 women on our hotlist 
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why" Wow that will be an interesting bbc news report I'll cancel going out to watch that beauty, | |||
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"To be fair, with the industrial quantity of chocolate this over 50 has shovelled in over the past week, the BBC might have a point ... "I just make sure we balance it out with other good stuff like sweaty sex every time we eat chocolate 
Actually it would be more accurate to say when we eat anything 
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"they got shares in gyms? the BBC i mean, not the over 50s." I've just got a dad bod, but then again I've never been to a gym in ma life | |||
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"To be fair, with the industrial quantity of chocolate this over 50 has shovelled in over the past week, the BBC might have a point ...
I just make sure we balance it out with other good stuff like sweaty sex every time we eat chocolate
Actually it would be more accurate to say when we eat anything
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why" Because the BBC have got nothing better to report. It's well known the whole nation is getting too fat. They find a new group to blame it on every other day. | |||
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"Id love to see that ti_eline against the appearance of the first "where are all the bbw women over 50" thread on fab, I'm not saying its the reason, but its a factor, I mean, how many swingers are there over 50 "21,347 | |||
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"Apparently us over 50s are all overweight and unhealthy. There's even a special, extremely patronising quiz we can take that tells you that you're doing ok but surely can do a bit better by taking up yoga or something. "I'm heavily invested in cake, chocolate and sloth. I'm doing it to the best of my ability. | |||
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"Apparently us over 50s are all overweight and unhealthy. There's even a special, extremely patronising quiz we can take that tells you that you're doing ok but surely can do a bit better by taking up yoga or something.
I'm heavily invested in cake, chocolate and sloth. I'm doing it to the best of my ability.
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"Funny how they also tell us we are living longer too, any excuse to put up the retirement age, personally the new generation to come will die like flies earlier than later with all the crap they put in our food these days." Before they have time to cash in their pensions. It's a conspiracy! | |||
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"Another slice of Christmas cake anyone? ?" Oh no I don't think I could...oh go on, just a slither....bit more....maybe a bit bigger.....oh for gods sake are we on rationing or something cut me a chunk | |||
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"Apparently us over 50s are all overweight and unhealthy. There's even a special, extremely patronising quiz we can take that tells you that you're doing ok but surely can do a bit better by taking up yoga or something.
I'm heavily invested in cake, chocolate and sloth. I'm doing it to the best of my ability.
What do sloths taste like?"The same as anything dipped in chocolate...delicious | |||
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why" If you want a fuller, more balanced and grown-up version, try here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/28/middle-aged-britons-overweight-exercise-too-little-exceed-alcohol-guidelines-public-health-england It is sad that those most at need of hearing the message are often the first to dismiss health advice as an affront to their right to avoid taking personal responsibility for their own health.
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why" Wouldn't say it was specifically the over fifties at all! Apparently 25% of women aged 25 and under are obese - that's not great if it's true - as many people get larger throughout life rather than slimmer! Most of my old friends who are a size 16 or greater were a size 10/12 when we were in our teens/twenties! X | |||
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why If you want a fuller, more balanced and grown-up version, try here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/28/middle-aged-britons-overweight-exercise-too-little-exceed-alcohol-guidelines-public-health-england It is sad that those most at need of hearing the message are often the first to dismiss health advice as an affront to their right to avoid taking personal responsibility for their own health.
Mr ddc"I read the PHE report. The answer, it seems, is to push an approach of Making Every Contact Count (MECC) where anyone talking to you about health things also covers smoking cessation, drinking less, better diet and exercise more. Those appointments are going to have to be longer... | |||
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why Wouldn't say it was specifically the over fifties at all! Apparently 25% of women aged 25 and under are obese - that's not great if it's true - as many people get larger throughout life rather than slimmer! Most of my old friends who are a size 16 or greater were a size 10/12 when we were in our teens/twenties! X" I was a 10/12 before I had three kids then had a desk job. More of us drive cars door to door, get shopping delivered and are generally less active. Our diets have more fast food for convenience too. | |||
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"Apparently us over 50s are all overweight and unhealthy. There's even a special, extremely patronising quiz we can take that tells you that you're doing ok but surely can do a bit better by taking up yoga or something.
I'm heavily invested in cake, chocolate and sloth. I'm doing it to the best of my ability.
What do sloths taste like?"I haven't been eating them, just emulating them... but I've got more than 3 toes. | |||
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why If you want a fuller, more balanced and grown-up version, try here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/28/middle-aged-britons-overweight-exercise-too-little-exceed-alcohol-guidelines-public-health-england It is sad that those most at need of hearing the message are often the first to dismiss health advice as an affront to their right to avoid taking personal responsibility for their own health.
Mr ddc"Shots fired.... 
This post is like jumping into the gladiator pit at the roman colosseum , covered in pigs blood with 100 hungry lions waiting for you.
I'll just sit back and watch the carnage | |||
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why Wouldn't say it was specifically the over fifties at all! Apparently 25% of women aged 25 and under are obese - that's not great if it's true - as many people get larger throughout life rather than slimmer! Most of my old friends who are a size 16 or greater were a size 10/12 when we were in our teens/twenties! X" My 15 yr old niece is a size 24/26 She's been hospitalised due to the effect her weight has had on her body. I'm not slim but as an adult it's my responsibility, I feel ever so angry at parents who allow their kids to get so overweight with not a care about their health!  | |||
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why Wouldn't say it was specifically the over fifties at all! Apparently 25% of women aged 25 and under are obese - that's not great if it's true - as many people get larger throughout life rather than slimmer! Most of my old friends who are a size 16 or greater were a size 10/12 when we were in our teens/twenties! X My 15 yr old niece is a size 24/26 She's been hospitalised due to the effect her weight has had on her body. I'm not slim but as an adult it's my responsibility, I feel ever so angry at parents who allow their kids to get so overweight with not a care about their health! "The parents are usually overweight also... remember the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree | |||
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"I'm losing weight that I put on when I was 35. Stick that up your jumper BBC! " Me too! Slow going though for me at least..
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why If you want a fuller, more balanced and grown-up version, try here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/28/middle-aged-britons-overweight-exercise-too-little-exceed-alcohol-guidelines-public-health-england It is sad that those most at need of hearing the message are often the first to dismiss health advice as an affront to their right to avoid taking personal responsibility for their own health.
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I read the PHE report. The answer, it seems, is to push an approach of Making Every Contact Count (MECC) where anyone talking to you about health things also covers smoking cessation, drinking less, better diet and exercise more. Those appointments are going to have to be longer...
"Which is why, when you go to your doctor, by the time they have asked you if you smoke and entered it into the computer, weighed you, and entered it into the computer, printed out blood test forms to check your glucose and cholesterol, they don't have time to listen to why you are there. | |||
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"I'm losing weight that I put on when I was 35. Stick that up your jumper BBC! Me too! Slow going though for me at least..
S"Now I'm actually bothering to lose weight I'm doing quite well. I changed what I ate and walk more. It's falling off me. | |||
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why Wouldn't say it was specifically the over fifties at all! Apparently 25% of women aged 25 and under are obese - that's not great if it's true - as many people get larger throughout life rather than slimmer! Most of my old friends who are a size 16 or greater were a size 10/12 when we were in our teens/twenties! X My 15 yr old niece is a size 24/26 She's been hospitalised due to the effect her weight has had on her body. I'm not slim but as an adult it's my responsibility, I feel ever so angry at parents who allow their kids to get so overweight with not a care about their health! "I also get angry with parents who don't appear to care about the health of their children. Then I remind myself that it is largely ignorance, a seeming inability to say no and not malice. Earlier this month I saw parents in M&S buy their daughter a family sized cottage pie. They were asking her if she would eat it all and if she wanted anything else with it. She looked about 5 years old. | |||
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"Something needs to be done for sure but as with lots of these things the people most in need of it will ignore it and those who already moderate their alcohol intake, eat healthily 98% of the time and exercise regularly will get fed up of being preached at and take the Mickey." They will to start with, but with all public awareness initiatives it is about a consistent approach over time. When I was a kid not wearing a seatbelt in a car, nor a hardhat on a building site, drink-driving, speeding, smoking and many more things were accepted as "normal", but society's stance had gradually changed. Eventually people will accept that the NHS isn't a bottomless pit of resources, but one which we all have to pay for. {shrugs} | |||
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" Mr ddc Shots fired....
This post is like jumping into the gladiator pit at the roman colosseum , covered in pigs blood with 100 hungry lions waiting for you.
I'll just sit back and watch the carnage "Lose weight & exercise more. You don't have to out-run the lion, just the person next to you | |||
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"Damn i thought 50 was the new 40 ..ocht theres always something xox"It's the new 30 | |||
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" Mr ddc Shots fired....
This post is like jumping into the gladiator pit at the roman colosseum , covered in pigs blood with 100 hungry lions waiting for you.
I'll just sit back and watch the carnage
Lose weight & exercise more. You don't have to out-run the lion, just the person next to you
"The body shaming police have put a warrant out for you.... they will be along shortly to tell you not all fat people are unhealthy and they are a size 26 but run 5 marathons per year , swim 10 miles per week , and eat nothing but salads and fruits | |||
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"Something needs to be done for sure but as with lots of these things the people most in need of it will ignore it and those who already moderate their alcohol intake, eat healthily 98% of the time and exercise regularly will get fed up of being preached at and take the Mickey. They will to start with, but with all public awareness initiatives it is about a consistent approach over time. When I was a kid not wearing a seatbelt in a car, nor a hardhat on a building site, drink-driving, speeding, smoking and many more things were accepted as "normal", but society's stance had gradually changed. Eventually people will accept that the NHS isn't a bottomless pit of resources, but one which we all have to pay for. {shrugs}" My opinion is that they need to stop pussy footing about with quizzes that anyone who reads the news can answer in order to get a good result. We all need to take responsibility for the health we can control and I think it needs a much more hard hitting approach to make people sit up and listen. This opinion is extremely unpopular and won't go down well but people need to stop making excuses for being overweight and other people need to stop making excuses for them. (Medical reasons excepted of course ) | |||
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"Something needs to be done for sure but as with lots of these things the people most in need of it will ignore it and those who already moderate their alcohol intake, eat healthily 98% of the time and exercise regularly will get fed up of being preached at and take the Mickey. They will to start with, but with all public awareness initiatives it is about a consistent approach over time. When I was a kid not wearing a seatbelt in a car, nor a hardhat on a building site, drink-driving, speeding, smoking and many more things were accepted as "normal", but society's stance had gradually changed. Eventually people will accept that the NHS isn't a bottomless pit of resources, but one which we all have to pay for. {shrugs} My opinion is that they need to stop pussy footing about with quizzes that anyone who reads the news can answer in order to get a good result. We all need to take responsibility for the health we can control and I think it needs a much more hard hitting approach to make people sit up and listen. This opinion is extremely unpopular and won't go down well but people need to stop making excuses for being overweight and other people need to stop making excuses for them. (Medical reasons excepted of course ) " .  | |||
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" Eventually people will accept that the NHS isn't a bottomless pit of resources, but one which we all have to pay for. {shrugs} My opinion is that they need to stop pussy footing about with quizzes that anyone who reads the news can answer in order to get a good result. We all need to take responsibility for the health we can control and I think it needs a much more hard hitting approach to make people sit up and listen. This opinion is extremely unpopular and won't go down well but people need to stop making excuses for being overweight and other people need to stop making excuses for them. (Medical reasons excepted of course ) " Fat isn't just about what's going on in the body though. I know WHY I am fat. It's not an excuse but it is a reason and food and exercise are a relatively minor aspect of why I remain fat. | |||
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" Eventually people will accept that the NHS isn't a bottomless pit of resources, but one which we all have to pay for. {shrugs} My opinion is that they need to stop pussy footing about with quizzes that anyone who reads the news can answer in order to get a good result. We all need to take responsibility for the health we can control and I think it needs a much more hard hitting approach to make people sit up and listen. This opinion is extremely unpopular and won't go down well but people need to stop making excuses for being overweight and other people need to stop making excuses for them. (Medical reasons excepted of course ) Fat isn't just about what's going on in the body though. I know WHY I am fat. It's not an excuse but it is a reason and food and exercise are a relatively minor aspect of why I remain fat. " Yes I understand that but all the quizzes and media coverage isn't going to address reasons other than physical. It's a sledgehammer concentrating on cracking one walnut in a big bowl of nuts. | |||
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"It is all ages, if you check the ti_eline since the 1950s, it is down to culture." close all the fast food places down, but you can still buy the same stuff from the shops/supermarkets most things are not good for you especially in the dairy cabinet cheese being one of them how many cook books recipes has cheese in them that people use the list goes on everything in small quantity would be my excuse but people don,t all eat in small quantitys, eat lots of fruit supposed to be good for you fruit has a short shelf life if out of the freezer usually grapes and the like forever going to the toilet with the runs.. you don,t with crisps and the like thou like most stoge its crap for yer weight watchers foods do nothing for me ... and don,t forget the nations magazines cookery pages that are recommended by top cooks etc those meals are crammed with calories, salt, fat, etc In my eyes beautiful meals but of course its the end product healthwise longterm that we have to deal with later in life. | |||
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"Changed my mind "And you have deprived us of your witticisms again | |||
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"Most work these days is mechanised, people therefore become more sedentary. Sugar, sugar and more sugar in most processed food. An abundance of affordable food. It has now become socially acceptable to be overweight. Many people gain weight easily if they over eat just a little. " | |||
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"they got shares in gyms? the BBC i mean, not the over 50s. I've just got a dad bod, but then again I've never been to a gym in ma life "Mmmm...dad bod | |||
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"Everyone is getting too fat. Not sure why they're picking on us "They're not, you're not over 50 | |||
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"Something needs to be done for sure but as with lots of these things the people most in need of it will ignore it and those who already moderate their alcohol intake, eat healthily 98% of the time and exercise regularly will get fed up of being preached at and take the Mickey. They will to start with, but with all public awareness initiatives it is about a consistent approach over time. When I was a kid not wearing a seatbelt in a car, nor a hardhat on a building site, drink-driving, speeding, smoking and many more things were accepted as "normal", but society's stance had gradually changed. Eventually people will accept that the NHS isn't a bottomless pit of resources, but one which we all have to pay for. {shrugs} My opinion is that they need to stop pussy footing about with quizzes that anyone who reads the news can answer in order to get a good result. We all need to take responsibility for the health we can control and I think it needs a much more hard hitting approach to make people sit up and listen. This opinion is extremely unpopular and won't go down well but people need to stop making excuses for being overweight and other people need to stop making excuses for them. (Medical reasons excepted of course ) " This. Yes, there are some people for whom obesity is a side effect of other medical conditions, but the overwhelming majority of overweight people are that way because they eat too much and are lazy. Simplistic? Possibly but true nonetheless. We all have access to the relevant information, its up to us to act on it. Obesity has become the new normal & many think it is ok & not a problem, as a society we are storing up billions of pounds-worth of medical trouble for the future. Get out and get active people, as I heard a doc say last week.. "we can fix your broken bones far easier than we can fix your heart & lungs". | |||
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"This year I've dropped my BMI from 28 to 23. In July I set myself a target of just 1800 calories per day and stuck to it. As a result I have greatly cut my visceral fat level. For me it was job done. Eating too much was my problem." And saved some money to no doubt. | |||
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"This year I've dropped my BMI from 28 to 23. In July I set myself a target of just 1800 calories per day and stuck to it. As a result I have greatly cut my visceral fat level. For me it was job done. Eating too much was my problem." And saved some money to no doubt. | |||
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"This year I've dropped my BMI from 28 to 23. In July I set myself a target of just 1800 calories per day and stuck to it. As a result I have greatly cut my visceral fat level. For me it was job done. Eating too much was my problem.And saved some money to no doubt." Not really as I've had to buy new clothes | |||
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"We eat and drink too much and don't move around enough? " This. I have a theory, that for most people, we are the weight of our own chosing. I could have a body like shag's. He may well correct me, but it's not rocket science or some secret knowledge that only he and a select few hold. To look like that I need to stop eating crap, eat good food, and do a hell of a lot of exercise and spend a lot more time working out. But alas I don't have a body like shag's, now I could blame it on medical problems, but the real reason is that I can't be bothered. To look like that takes a lot of work, a lot of effort and I just can't be arsed. That's why my body is the shape it is. | |||
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"We eat and drink too much and don't move around enough? This. I have a theory, that for most people, we are the weight of our own chosing. I could have a body like shag's. He may well correct me, but it's not rocket science or some secret knowledge that only he and a select few hold. To look like that I need to stop eating crap, eat good food, and do a hell of a lot of exercise and spend a lot more time working out. But alas I don't have a body like shag's, now I could blame it on medical problems, but the real reason is that I can't be bothered. To look like that takes a lot of work, a lot of effort and I just can't be arsed. That's why my body is the shape it is. " I think that is over simplifying it. So you are saying people larger than you can't be arsed to live the same lifestyle as you? I don't think avoiding carbs and spending as much time as you work in they gym is a particularly good barometer. | |||
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"We eat and drink too much and don't move around enough? This. I have a theory, that for most people, we are the weight of our own chosing. I could have a body like shag's. He may well correct me, but it's not rocket science or some secret knowledge that only he and a select few hold. To look like that I need to stop eating crap, eat good food, and do a hell of a lot of exercise and spend a lot more time working out. But alas I don't have a body like shag's, now I could blame it on medical problems, but the real reason is that I can't be bothered. To look like that takes a lot of work, a lot of effort and I just can't be arsed. That's why my body is the shape it is. I think that is over simplifying it. So you are saying people larger than you can't be arsed to live the same lifestyle as you? I don't think avoiding carbs and spending as much time as you work in they gym is a particularly good barometer. " I'm saying almost everyone knows what to do to get healthier, if they don't, its because they don't want to put in the effort required to achieve it. I put myself very much in that camp. I wish I had the motivation and the dedication that others have, but I don't, and that's why I'm a lot fatter than I should be. | |||
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"We eat and drink too much and don't move around enough? This. I have a theory, that for most people, we are the weight of our own chosing. I could have a body like shag's. He may well correct me, but it's not rocket science or some secret knowledge that only he and a select few hold. To look like that I need to stop eating crap, eat good food, and do a hell of a lot of exercise and spend a lot more time working out. But alas I don't have a body like shag's, now I could blame it on medical problems, but the real reason is that I can't be bothered. To look like that takes a lot of work, a lot of effort and I just can't be arsed. That's why my body is the shape it is. I think that is over simplifying it. So you are saying people larger than you can't be arsed to live the same lifestyle as you? I don't think avoiding carbs and spending as much time as you work in they gym is a particularly good barometer. I'm saying almost everyone knows what to do to get healthier, if they don't, its because they don't want to put in the effort required to achieve it. I put myself very much in that camp. I wish I had the motivation and the dedication that others have, but I don't, and that's why I'm a lot fatter than I should be." Extrapolate that. So you are saying that you can't be arsed, but anyone larger than you can't be arsed even more(or less, depending on how you want to look at it)? It doesn't make sense for everybody. | |||
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"We eat and drink too much and don't move around enough? This. I have a theory, that for most people, we are the weight of our own chosing. I could have a body like shag's. He may well correct me, but it's not rocket science or some secret knowledge that only he and a select few hold. To look like that I need to stop eating crap, eat good food, and do a hell of a lot of exercise and spend a lot more time working out. But alas I don't have a body like shag's, now I could blame it on medical problems, but the real reason is that I can't be bothered. To look like that takes a lot of work, a lot of effort and I just can't be arsed. That's why my body is the shape it is. " You are just speaking for yourself of course. | |||
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"We eat and drink too much and don't move around enough? This. I have a theory, that for most people, we are the weight of our own chosing. I could have a body like shag's. He may well correct me, but it's not rocket science or some secret knowledge that only he and a select few hold. To look like that I need to stop eating crap, eat good food, and do a hell of a lot of exercise and spend a lot more time working out. But alas I don't have a body like shag's, now I could blame it on medical problems, but the real reason is that I can't be bothered. To look like that takes a lot of work, a lot of effort and I just can't be arsed. That's why my body is the shape it is. I think that is over simplifying it. So you are saying people larger than you can't be arsed to live the same lifestyle as you? I don't think avoiding carbs and spending as much time as you work in they gym is a particularly good barometer. I'm saying almost everyone knows what to do to get healthier, if they don't, its because they don't want to put in the effort required to achieve it. I put myself very much in that camp. I wish I had the motivation and the dedication that others have, but I don't, and that's why I'm a lot fatter than I should be. Extrapolate that. So you are saying that you can't be arsed, but anyone larger than you can't be arsed even more(or less, depending on how you want to look at it)? It doesn't make sense for everybody. " Yeah that's pretty much it. I know there are some people with medical reasons for not being able to be as active as they may want to be etc. but for the majority of people, they know what they need to do to lose weight. Or do you believe the opposite, and think that I'm a bit thick for not knowing how to make myself look like a men's health cover model, and people larger than me are even thicker? | |||
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"We eat and drink too much and don't move around enough? This. I have a theory, that for most people, we are the weight of our own chosing. I could have a body like shag's. He may well correct me, but it's not rocket science or some secret knowledge that only he and a select few hold. To look like that I need to stop eating crap, eat good food, and do a hell of a lot of exercise and spend a lot more time working out. But alas I don't have a body like shag's, now I could blame it on medical problems, but the real reason is that I can't be bothered. To look like that takes a lot of work, a lot of effort and I just can't be arsed. That's why my body is the shape it is. You are just speaking for yourself of course. " Am I? Why do you think fat people are fat? | |||
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"We eat and drink too much and don't move around enough? This. I have a theory, that for most people, we are the weight of our own chosing. I could have a body like shag's. He may well correct me, but it's not rocket science or some secret knowledge that only he and a select few hold. To look like that I need to stop eating crap, eat good food, and do a hell of a lot of exercise and spend a lot more time working out. But alas I don't have a body like shag's, now I could blame it on medical problems, but the real reason is that I can't be bothered. To look like that takes a lot of work, a lot of effort and I just can't be arsed. That's why my body is the shape it is. You are just speaking for yourself of course. Am I? Why do you think fat people are fat? " I know why fat people are fat. That wasn't what I was addressing. | |||
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"Don't they realise that big is Beautiful "Big is not beautiful, big is unhealthy, unnatural, big should get to a gym and burn some of that shit off! | |||
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"Don't they realise that big is Beautiful
Big is not beautiful, big is unhealthy, unnatural, big should get to a gym and burn some of that shit off! "It may be unhealthy but if people are happy being fatter that's up to them, it's their lives, their bodies xxx | |||
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"Damn right! The over 50's should have been shot at birth! "That's very offensive, watch your mouth sonny x | |||
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"Funny how they also tell us we are living longer too, any excuse to put up the retirement age, personally the new generation to come will die like flies earlier than later with all the crap they put in our food these days. Before they have time to cash in their pensions. It's a conspiracy!" You'd think they'd want us to pop our clogs so they can keep our money, not tell us to keep fit to live and claim it...or is this reverse psychology? | |||
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"Don't they realise that big is Beautiful
Big is not beautiful, big is unhealthy, unnatural, big should get to a gym and burn some of that shit off!
It may be unhealthy but if people are happy being fatter that's up to them, it's their lives, their bodies xxx"To a point, but at what point do we as a society fund such unhealthy lifestyles? The ongoing & future medical costs of the obesity crisis (and it IS a crisis) threatens to destroy the NHS. Do we stop treating obesity-led conditions? Maybe we should start by not paying for type II diabetes treatment, after all it was their choice to be sedentary over eaters so they can reap the rewards of that choice... Or alternatively, we could stop enabling people into thinking it is normal & acceptable to be unhealthy lumps & move towards making it as socially unacceptable as smoking has become. Look at the long term socio-medical advantages of the smoking ban, and consider how we can do something similar with obesity? Saying "but it's my right to be a fatty" simply is no longer a societal option. | |||
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"Don't they realise that big is Beautiful
Big is not beautiful, big is unhealthy, unnatural, big should get to a gym and burn some of that shit off!
It may be unhealthy but if people are happy being fatter that's up to them, it's their lives, their bodies xxx
To a point, but at what point do we as a society fund such unhealthy lifestyles? The ongoing & future medical costs of the obesity crisis (and it IS a crisis) threatens to destroy the NHS. Do we stop treating obesity-led conditions?
Maybe we should start by not paying for type II diabetes treatment, after all it was their choice to be sedentary over eaters so they can reap the rewards of that choice...
Or alternatively, we could stop enabling people into thinking it is normal & acceptable to be unhealthy lumps & move towards making it as socially unacceptable as smoking has become.
Look at the long term socio-medical advantages of the smoking ban, and consider how we can do something similar with obesity?
Saying "but it's my right to be a fatty" simply is no longer a societal option." | |||
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" Saying "but it's my right to be a fatty" simply is no longer a societal option." Maybe we *should* come up with a system where everyone does have the right to treat their body how they wish, but they also take responsibility for their choice. It has to be better than vilification. | |||
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"they got shares in gyms? the BBC i mean, not the over 50s." they are not getting the sexersise they were getting when they were younger | |||
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"they got shares in gyms? the BBC i mean, not the over 50s. they are not getting the sexersise they were getting when they were younger "hope i am. saying that i'm not getting it now. just it seems like the BBC are promoting gyms or something. | |||
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"Don't they realise that big is Beautiful
Big is not beautiful, big is unhealthy, unnatural, big should get to a gym and burn some of that shit off!
It may be unhealthy but if people are happy being fatter that's up to them, it's their lives, their bodies xxx
To a point, but at what point do we as a society fund such unhealthy lifestyles? The ongoing & future medical costs of the obesity crisis (and it IS a crisis) threatens to destroy the NHS. Do we stop treating obesity-led conditions?
Maybe we should start by not paying for type II diabetes treatment, after all it was their choice to be sedentary over eaters so they can reap the rewards of that choice...
Or alternatively, we could stop enabling people into thinking it is normal & acceptable to be unhealthy lumps & move towards making it as socially unacceptable as smoking has become.
Look at the long term socio-medical advantages of the smoking ban, and consider how we can do something similar with obesity?
Saying "but it's my right to be a fatty" simply is no longer a societal option."i do think it will get to a point where certain people will not be allowed to breed because they are genetially faulty and cost us too much. can just see how unaccepting society can be when you see certain parts of it for what it is and if they ever got power we'd be fucked. | |||
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"Don't they realise that big is Beautiful
Big is not beautiful, big is unhealthy, unnatural, big should get to a gym and burn some of that shit off!
It may be unhealthy but if people are happy being fatter that's up to them, it's their lives, their bodies xxx
To a point, but at what point do we as a society fund such unhealthy lifestyles? The ongoing & future medical costs of the obesity crisis (and it IS a crisis) threatens to destroy the NHS. Do we stop treating obesity-led conditions?
Maybe we should start by not paying for type II diabetes treatment, after all it was their choice to be sedentary over eaters so they can reap the rewards of that choice...
Or alternatively, we could stop enabling people into thinking it is normal & acceptable to be unhealthy lumps & move towards making it as socially unacceptable as smoking has become.
Look at the long term socio-medical advantages of the smoking ban, and consider how we can do something similar with obesity?
Saying "but it's my right to be a fatty" simply is no longer a societal option.
i do think it will get to a point where certain people will not be allowed to breed because they are genetially faulty and cost us too much.
can just see how unaccepting society can be when you see certain parts of it for what it is and if they ever got power we'd be fucked."I will hereby invoke Godwin's Law | |||
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"Can we also decide then that it's not ok to say "it's my right to have no common sense and clog up the system with every sniffle", "it's my right to have loads of children even if I'm incapable of looking after them properly", "it's my right to engage in sexually risky behaviour" too? Because I'm buggered if I'm being made to feel less than other people who abuse the state and its generosity because I'm obese. I work hard, contribute a lot and take very little. I want to lose weight, I am losing weight, and it's because I want to be healthier. But nothing makes me reach for that biscuit tin faster than being lectured about what an irresponsible and useless human being I am. " We are ALL irresponsible - this isn't about what happens on an individual level but a societal level. For too long we've taken the easy option, eaten the mass-processed crap, driven half a mile instead of walking, d*unk too much, smoked when we knew it was killing us. I'm no less culpable than anyone else in this regard. BUT, as a society we simply cannot carry on the way we are going. Not only is it racking up the social & medical care costs, but it is potentially hazardous to the very existence of our society. Things need to change drastically, and that requires hard & unpopular decisions made by Govts. Like taxing personal vehicles much harder to force people to become active. Taxing unhealthy food & drink to stop mass consumption. Ripping out multi lane roads in urban areas & replacing with separated cycle lanes, wide introduction of congestion/pollution charges for those who insist on using personal vehicles in urban areas. These won't be popular, but the alternative is to become a society of slugs, only capable of moving around in motorised carriages & kept alive by medical intervention. | |||
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"Don't they realise that big is Beautiful
Big is not beautiful, big is unhealthy, unnatural, big should get to a gym and burn some of that shit off!
It may be unhealthy but if people are happy being fatter that's up to them, it's their lives, their bodies xxx
To a point, but at what point do we as a society fund such unhealthy lifestyles? The ongoing & future medical costs of the obesity crisis (and it IS a crisis) threatens to destroy the NHS. Do we stop treating obesity-led conditions?
Maybe we should start by not paying for type II diabetes treatment, after all it was their choice to be sedentary over eaters so they can reap the rewards of that choice...
Or alternatively, we could stop enabling people into thinking it is normal & acceptable to be unhealthy lumps & move towards making it as socially unacceptable as smoking has become.
Look at the long term socio-medical advantages of the smoking ban, and consider how we can do something similar with obesity?
Saying "but it's my right to be a fatty" simply is no longer a societal option.
"The smoking ban has done nothing to encourage smokers to stop smoking, it just removed the issue from public places, who are we who feel we have the right to enforce our own _iew's on other's, is it right that anyone has the right to tell anyone that they can't do something just because "they" don't like it, I've seen super fit people in their early years keel over and die, I've seen sportsmen and women suffer horrendous injuries leaving them needing constant medical treatment, more people visit A&E every year for sport related injuries than any obese people do.Do I have the right to say " you shouldn't exerciser " NO I DON'T, it's your choice, so if you injure yourself carrying out the type of exercise or sport you do, then you pay for the treatment too. Let's stop all this anti this or that and learn to live with each other in a good way. Peace and love for the new year. | |||
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"Don't they realise that big is Beautiful
Big is not beautiful, big is unhealthy, unnatural, big should get to a gym and burn some of that shit off!
It may be unhealthy but if people are happy being fatter that's up to them, it's their lives, their bodies xxx
To a point, but at what point do we as a society fund such unhealthy lifestyles? The ongoing & future medical costs of the obesity crisis (and it IS a crisis) threatens to destroy the NHS. Do we stop treating obesity-led conditions?
Maybe we should start by not paying for type II diabetes treatment, after all it was their choice to be sedentary over eaters so they can reap the rewards of that choice...
Or alternatively, we could stop enabling people into thinking it is normal & acceptable to be unhealthy lumps & move towards making it as socially unacceptable as smoking has become.
Look at the long term socio-medical advantages of the smoking ban, and consider how we can do something similar with obesity?
Saying "but it's my right to be a fatty" simply is no longer a societal option.
i do think it will get to a point where certain people will not be allowed to breed because they are genetially faulty and cost us too much.
can just see how unaccepting society can be when you see certain parts of it for what it is and if they ever got power we'd be fucked.
I will hereby invoke Godwin's Law "could happen though. society isn't as smart as it likes to think it is. most haven't a clue what's going on scientifically, and not because it's hidden or anything, just because they show very little interest. | |||
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"Can we also decide then that it's not ok to say "it's my right to have no common sense and clog up the system with every sniffle", "it's my right to have loads of children even if I'm incapable of looking after them properly", "it's my right to engage in sexually risky behaviour" too? Because I'm buggered if I'm being made to feel less than other people who abuse the state and its generosity because I'm obese. I work hard, contribute a lot and take very little. I want to lose weight, I am losing weight, and it's because I want to be healthier. But nothing makes me reach for that biscuit tin faster than being lectured about what an irresponsible and useless human being I am. We are ALL irresponsible - this isn't about what happens on an individual level but a societal level. For too long we've taken the easy option, eaten the mass-processed crap, driven half a mile instead of walking, d*unk too much, smoked when we knew it was killing us. I'm no less culpable than anyone else in this regard. BUT, as a society we simply cannot carry on the way we are going. Not only is it racking up the social & medical care costs, but it is potentially hazardous to the very existence of our society. Things need to change drastically, and that requires hard & unpopular decisions made by Govts. Like taxing personal vehicles much harder to force people to become active. Taxing unhealthy food & drink to stop mass consumption. Ripping out multi lane roads in urban areas & replacing with separated cycle lanes, wide introduction of congestion/pollution charges for those who insist on using personal vehicles in urban areas. These won't be popular, but the alternative is to become a society of slugs, only capable of moving around in motorised carriages & kept alive by medical intervention." My point is that I *AM* less irresponsible than these others. I've never smoked, I don't drive, I don't drink much alcohol, I use public transport or walk everywhere. I don't pollute, I don't consume, I don't put others at risk. But I do eat a bit too much. I know I shouldn't, but I do. Yet *I'm* the whipping boy for all that's wrong with society, the ones that's stereotyped as a lazy slug driving everywhere and living off ready meals. | |||
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"Don't they realise that big is Beautiful
Big is not beautiful, big is unhealthy, unnatural, big should get to a gym and burn some of that shit off!
It may be unhealthy but if people are happy being fatter that's up to them, it's their lives, their bodies xxx
To a point, but at what point do we as a society fund such unhealthy lifestyles? The ongoing & future medical costs of the obesity crisis (and it IS a crisis) threatens to destroy the NHS. Do we stop treating obesity-led conditions?
Maybe we should start by not paying for type II diabetes treatment, after all it was their choice to be sedentary over eaters so they can reap the rewards of that choice...
Or alternatively, we could stop enabling people into thinking it is normal & acceptable to be unhealthy lumps & move towards making it as socially unacceptable as smoking has become.
Look at the long term socio-medical advantages of the smoking ban, and consider how we can do something similar with obesity?
Saying "but it's my right to be a fatty" simply is no longer a societal option.
i do think it will get to a point where certain people will not be allowed to breed because they are genetially faulty and cost us too much.
can just see how unaccepting society can be when you see certain parts of it for what it is and if they ever got power we'd be fucked."It's call genetic cleansing Hitler tried that during WW2, it's wrong and unethical | |||
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"Can we also decide then that it's not ok to say "it's my right to have no common sense and clog up the system with every sniffle", "it's my right to have loads of children even if I'm incapable of looking after them properly", "it's my right to engage in sexually risky behaviour" too? Because I'm buggered if I'm being made to feel less than other people who abuse the state and its generosity because I'm obese. I work hard, contribute a lot and take very little. I want to lose weight, I am losing weight, and it's because I want to be healthier. But nothing makes me reach for that biscuit tin faster than being lectured about what an irresponsible and useless human being I am. We are ALL irresponsible - this isn't about what happens on an individual level but a societal level. For too long we've taken the easy option, eaten the mass-processed crap, driven half a mile instead of walking, d*unk too much, smoked when we knew it was killing us. I'm no less culpable than anyone else in this regard. BUT, as a society we simply cannot carry on the way we are going. Not only is it racking up the social & medical care costs, but it is potentially hazardous to the very existence of our society. Things need to change drastically, and that requires hard & unpopular decisions made by Govts. Like taxing personal vehicles much harder to force people to become active. Taxing unhealthy food & drink to stop mass consumption. Ripping out multi lane roads in urban areas & replacing with separated cycle lanes, wide introduction of congestion/pollution charges for those who insist on using personal vehicles in urban areas. These won't be popular, but the alternative is to become a society of slugs, only capable of moving around in motorised carriages & kept alive by medical intervention. My point is that I *AM* less irresponsible than these others. I've never smoked, I don't drive, I don't drink much alcohol, I use public transport or walk everywhere. I don't pollute, I don't consume, I don't put others at risk. But I do eat a bit too much. I know I shouldn't, but I do. Yet *I'm* the whipping boy for all that's wrong with society, the ones that's stereotyped as a lazy slug driving everywhere and living off ready meals. " We ALL do that - that's my point. Modern foodstuffs are killing us. When I started looking, I realised how little calories are burnt without me raising my heart rate for a prolonged period, and exactly how calorific many foods are. We think walking half a mile to the shops allows us to eat a chocolate cake, when in reality its about half a poppadum! People's mental measuring of exercise & calorie consumption is well off. | |||
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"Don't they realise that big is Beautiful
Big is not beautiful, big is unhealthy, unnatural, big should get to a gym and burn some of that shit off!
It may be unhealthy but if people are happy being fatter that's up to them, it's their lives, their bodies xxx
To a point, but at what point do we as a society fund such unhealthy lifestyles? The ongoing & future medical costs of the obesity crisis (and it IS a crisis) threatens to destroy the NHS. Do we stop treating obesity-led conditions?
Maybe we should start by not paying for type II diabetes treatment, after all it was their choice to be sedentary over eaters so they can reap the rewards of that choice...
Or alternatively, we could stop enabling people into thinking it is normal & acceptable to be unhealthy lumps & move towards making it as socially unacceptable as smoking has become.
Look at the long term socio-medical advantages of the smoking ban, and consider how we can do something similar with obesity?
Saying "but it's my right to be a fatty" simply is no longer a societal option.
i do think it will get to a point where certain people will not be allowed to breed because they are genetially faulty and cost us too much.
can just see how unaccepting society can be when you see certain parts of it for what it is and if they ever got power we'd be fucked.
It's call genetic cleansing Hitler tried that during WW2, it's wrong and unethical "and it happened already, so your point is? i'm thinking logically here, not emotionally. also, a lot of people do not understand what eugenics is either. it is when societies control your eating/exercising habits and tell you what is acceptable and isn't. like being fat. statues go back centuries promoting the 'body' of that era. eugenics has been going on a lot longer than since hitler enforced it. ww2 helped us advance medically as well because of all the unethical treatments of people going on, you know all the horror stories you hear about of people being experimented on? all that helped us advance medically. yes, it's all unethical. but it happened and we live longer now because of it. | |||
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"Personally I think we need to get away from the stuff espoused by many that obesity is all people barely moving gorging themselves on food at every opportunity. An awful lot of weight gain is people who eat just a bit too much, each day over a prolonged period. That doesn't fit neatly into the good, responsible thin person / bad irresponsible fatty narrative quite as neatly but it's the truth. Once that's understood then the converse, that weight loss can be achieved through eating at a slight calorie deficit each day, over a prolonged period, also seems a damn sight more achievable. " | |||
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"Can we also decide then that it's not ok to say "it's my right to have no common sense and clog up the system with every sniffle", "it's my right to have loads of children even if I'm incapable of looking after them properly", "it's my right to engage in sexually risky behaviour" too? Because I'm buggered if I'm being made to feel less than other people who abuse the state and its generosity because I'm obese. I work hard, contribute a lot and take very little. I want to lose weight, I am losing weight, and it's because I want to be healthier. But nothing makes me reach for that biscuit tin faster than being lectured about what an irresponsible and useless human being I am. " You've hit an important point there - the link we make with food and emotions. We either learn this ourselves or we've been conditioned to it. It's a difficult one to unravel and one I've been working on for years | |||
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"Can we also decide then that it's not ok to say "it's my right to have no common sense and clog up the system with every sniffle", "it's my right to have loads of children even if I'm incapable of looking after them properly", "it's my right to engage in sexually risky behaviour" too? Because I'm buggered if I'm being made to feel less than other people who abuse the state and its generosity because I'm obese. I work hard, contribute a lot and take very little. I want to lose weight, I am losing weight, and it's because I want to be healthier. But nothing makes me reach for that biscuit tin faster than being lectured about what an irresponsible and useless human being I am. " I really don't see lecturing as an effective way of dealing with the issue of obesity. It's fairly simple to take an approach that it's down to eating too much and exercising too little but a holistic approach that's non judgemental works far better. There's lots of reason for weighing more than you should including health and emotional.
I'm soon to be just under half the weight I once was - it's not because people bemoaned my cost to the NHS but because of lack of prejudiced information available to me and my decision to change it. Constantly painting the issue and the vilification of fat people won't resolve it.
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why" According to my Bloody Meaningless Indicator (BMI for short) I'm the right weight. Unfortunately, too much of it is fat. | |||
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"Over 50 s are getting to fat bbc news report why According to my Bloody Meaningless Indicator (BMI for short) I'm the right weight. Unfortunately, too much of it is fat. "Ironically, according to mine, I'm the right weight, but simply the wrong height | |||
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"Can we also decide then that it's not ok to say "it's my right to have no common sense and clog up the system with every sniffle", "it's my right to have loads of children even if I'm incapable of looking after them properly", "it's my right to engage in sexually risky behaviour" too? Because I'm buggered if I'm being made to feel less than other people who abuse the state and its generosity because I'm obese. I work hard, contribute a lot and take very little. I want to lose weight, I am losing weight, and it's because I want to be healthier. But nothing makes me reach for that biscuit tin faster than being lectured about what an irresponsible and useless human being I am. We are ALL irresponsible - this isn't about what happens on an individual level but a societal level. For too long we've taken the easy option, eaten the mass-processed crap, driven half a mile instead of walking, d*unk too much, smoked when we knew it was killing us. I'm no less culpable than anyone else in this regard. BUT, as a society we simply cannot carry on the way we are going. Not only is it racking up the social & medical care costs, but it is potentially hazardous to the very existence of our society. Things need to change drastically, and that requires hard & unpopular decisions made by Govts. Like taxing personal vehicles much harder to force people to become active. Taxing unhealthy food & drink to stop mass consumption. Ripping out multi lane roads in urban areas & replacing with separated cycle lanes, wide introduction of congestion/pollution charges for those who insist on using personal vehicles in urban areas. These won't be popular, but the alternative is to become a society of slugs, only capable of moving around in motorised carriages & kept alive by medical intervention. My point is that I *AM* less irresponsible than these others. I've never smoked, I don't drive, I don't drink much alcohol, I use public transport or walk everywhere. I don't pollute, I don't consume, I don't put others at risk. But I do eat a bit too much. I know I shouldn't, but I do. Yet *I'm* the whipping boy for all that's wrong with society, the ones that's stereotyped as a lazy slug driving everywhere and living off ready meals. " I absolutely get what you're saying: size is NOT the catch all scourge of society that it has often been portrayed. | |||
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"I really don't see lecturing as an effective way of dealing with the issue of obesity. It's fairly simple to take an approach that it's down to eating too much and exercising too little but a holistic approach that's non judgemental works far better. There's lots of reason for weighing more than you should including health and emotional." ^^^ This ^^^ | |||
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"Damn i thought 50 was the new 40 ..ocht theres always something xox
It's the new 30 "They keep shifting it lol ohh well i better start exercising then xox | |||
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"I really don't see lecturing as an effective way of dealing with the issue of obesity. It's fairly simple to take an approach that it's down to eating too much and exercising too little but a holistic approach that's non judgemental works far better. " It is down to eating too much and doing too little. We all know this, even those who deny it. Culturally we have come to accept that people are getting fatter and fatter. That needs to be challenged, not excused. The holistic stuff is important but ultimately there's little that others can do to stop people shovelling too much food into themselves. | |||
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"I really don't see lecturing as an effective way of dealing with the issue of obesity. It's fairly simple to take an approach that it's down to eating too much and exercising too little but a holistic approach that's non judgemental works far better. It is down to eating too much and doing too little. We all know this, even those who deny it. Culturally we have come to accept that people are getting fatter and fatter. That needs to be challenged, not excused. The holistic stuff is important but ultimately there's little that others can do to stop people shovelling too much food into themselves." I'm doing Slimming world I eat lots more now compared to what Used to and my fitnesss level is the same yet I've lost weight | |||
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"I really don't see lecturing as an effective way of dealing with the issue of obesity. It's fairly simple to take an approach that it's down to eating too much and exercising too little but a holistic approach that's non judgemental works far better. It is down to eating too much and doing too little. We all know this, even those who deny it. Culturally we have come to accept that people are getting fatter and fatter. That needs to be challenged, not excused. The holistic stuff is important but ultimately there's little that others can do to stop people shovelling too much food into themselves." | |||
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"I really don't see lecturing as an effective way of dealing with the issue of obesity. It's fairly simple to take an approach that it's down to eating too much and exercising too little but a holistic approach that's non judgemental works far better. It is down to eating too much and doing too little. We all know this, even those who deny it. Culturally we have come to accept that people are getting fatter and fatter. That needs to be challenged, not excused. The holistic stuff is important but ultimately there's little that others can do to stop people shovelling too much food into themselves. I'm doing Slimming world I eat lots more now compared to what Used to and my fitnesss level is the same yet I've lost weight " but clearly different stuff. | |||
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"I really don't see lecturing as an effective way of dealing with the issue of obesity. It's fairly simple to take an approach that it's down to eating too much and exercising too little but a holistic approach that's non judgemental works far better. It is down to eating too much and doing too little. We all know this, even those who deny it. Culturally we have come to accept that people are getting fatter and fatter. That needs to be challenged, not excused. The holistic stuff is important but ultimately there's little that others can do to stop people shovelling too much food into themselves. I'm doing Slimming world I eat lots more now compared to what Used to and my fitnesss level is the same yet I've lost weight but clearly different stuff." But you said it's eating too much and not moving enough that's the issue, clearly that's not the case is it? | |||
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"The trouble regarding weight issues and people's attitudes to towards weight issues it lack of education on the matter. Also lack of culinary education so they know how to cook good meals and stretch meals to get the most out of their money for healthy food, like using vegetable peelings for homade stocks etc. It's a dying art now a days " I agree with this - making sauces from scratch instead of Dolmio etc. But I also think people already know this really but it suits them better to use a jar. The crux of the issue is still personal choices. | |||
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"We eat and drink too much and don't move around enough? " Simply put and very true | |||
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"The trouble regarding weight issues and people's attitudes to towards weight issues it lack of education on the matter. Also lack of culinary education so they know how to cook good meals and stretch meals to get the most out of their money for healthy food, like using vegetable peelings for homade stocks etc. It's a dying art now a days I agree with this - making sauces from scratch instead of Dolmio etc. But I also think people already know this really but it suits them better to use a jar. The crux of the issue is still personal choices." Yes I think people know that homade is better for you, but do they know how to make it for themselves? Unfortunately many don't. I never did my mum wasn't a cook, so we always lived on convenience foods (like sauce jars etc), Abd she was on a low income so she says it was cheaper for her to do so. I therefore wasn't taught to make food any other way, even at school in home economics the only stuff we really made from scratch was cakes biscuits pasties etc (crap basically), it's only been in the last 4 years since joining slimming world and loosing 14.5st that I've learnt it all through buying their recipe books etc and now for the £1.89 it costs me for Dolomio sauce I can batch cook enough to spag Bol for 3 separate meals, so it's healthier and cheaper, even though more time consuming than using a jar | |||
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"Education on how to cook is a few clicks away on their smartphones I couldn't cook but I googled how to make soup and there was step by step instructions " Find some recipes, buy the ingredients, make it. It may take a few goes to get it right, but it's quite simple. I make pasta sauce and curry from fresh ingredients. I can use less sugar, salt and oil than the jars. | |||
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"Education on how to cook is a few clicks away on their smartphones I couldn't cook but I googled how to make soup and there was step by step instructions Find some recipes, buy the ingredients, make it. It may take a few goes to get it right, but it's quite simple. I make pasta sauce and curry from fresh ingredients. I can use less sugar, salt and oil than the jars. " Yup, I felt a fool when I had step by step picture recipe for mushroom soup. The sense of achievement was fantastic when my sister visited and I served it
I bought a slow cooker and did the same with chilli and spaghetti bog
I know make roasts.
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"I can make a basic tomato sauce in 10 minutes. It didn't take long to get used to having less salt and sugar either. I prefer the fresher taste of home made sauces. " So do I now. Same as if I want a burger I prefer to make my own with extra lean mince on my George foreman rather than go to mac Donald's etc. And yes my now more staple recipes I can knock together in no time at all | |||
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"oh for fucks sake
OK 'shovelling too much shit into their gobs instead of a balanced, healthy diet'...
"*This* use of language is precisely my point from earlier in the thread. Most overweight people aren't "shovelling" "shit" into their gobs, they're eating maybe 200 or 300 calories too many each day (could be that morning latte) gaining 0.5 to a pound a week, over a period of time that adds up to being overweight without any shovelling happening. The rhetoric around overweight and obese people conjours up the 400lb scooter riding extremes, so it's not difficult to see why people who are a bit overweight or in the lower reaches of the obese range think "well that isn't me, so I'm ok". Same as alcohol. When drinking too much is portrayed as just being about binge drinking youths fighting outside Yates' on a Friday night then the middle aged, middle class woman drinking a bottle of wine every couple of days thinks that doesn't apply to her. You are a part of the problem when you describe people in such terms. | |||
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"Education on how to cook is a few clicks away on their smartphones I couldn't cook but I googled how to make soup and there was step by step instructions Find some recipes, buy the ingredients, make it. It may take a few goes to get it right, but it's quite simple. I make pasta sauce and curry from fresh ingredients. I can use less sugar, salt and oil than the jars. Yup, I felt a fool when I had step by step picture recipe for mushroom soup. The sense of achievement was fantastic when my sister visited and I served it
I bought a slow cooker and did the same with chilli and spaghetti bog
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It easy but takes time away from a screen "I have to keep referring back to recipes, as I'm making them and for a long time afterwards. I have no short term memory any more. My phone ends up covered in all sorts | |||
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"oh for fucks sake
OK 'shovelling too much shit into their gobs instead of a balanced, healthy diet'...
*This* use of language is precisely my point from earlier in the thread. Most overweight people aren't "shovelling" "shit" into their gobs, they're eating maybe 200 or 300 calories too many each day (could be that morning latte) gaining 0.5 to a pound a week, over a period of time that adds up to being overweight without any shovelling happening.
The rhetoric around overweight and obese people conjours up the 400lb scooter riding extremes, so it's not difficult to see why people who are a bit overweight or in the lower reaches of the obese range think "well that isn't me, so I'm ok". Same as alcohol. When drinking too much is portrayed as just being about binge drinking youths fighting outside Yates' on a Friday night then the middle aged, middle class woman drinking a bottle of wine every couple of days thinks that doesn't apply to her.
You are a part of the problem when you describe people in such terms.
"No I'm not. The people shovelling shit into their gobs are. The people making excuses for them help nobody. You are a greater part of the problem than I when you seek to avoid dealing with the issue directly. | |||
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"oh for fucks sake
OK 'shovelling too much shit into their gobs instead of a balanced, healthy diet'...
*This* use of language is precisely my point from earlier in the thread. Most overweight people aren't "shovelling" "shit" into their gobs, they're eating maybe 200 or 300 calories too many each day (could be that morning latte) gaining 0.5 to a pound a week, over a period of time that adds up to being overweight without any shovelling happening.
The rhetoric around overweight and obese people conjours up the 400lb scooter riding extremes, so it's not difficult to see why people who are a bit overweight or in the lower reaches of the obese range think "well that isn't me, so I'm ok". Same as alcohol. When drinking too much is portrayed as just being about binge drinking youths fighting outside Yates' on a Friday night then the middle aged, middle class woman drinking a bottle of wine every couple of days thinks that doesn't apply to her.
You are a part of the problem when you describe people in such terms.
No I'm not.
The people shovelling shit into their gobs are. The people making excuses for them help nobody.
You are a greater part of the problem than I when you seek to avoid dealing with the issue directly."You are absolutely a part of the problem. Language is important. There's dealing with the issue directly and there's using meaningless, deliberately antagonistic language like "shovelling shit", and they aren't the same thing. Obviously I'm part of the problem, I'm obese. I get that. I'm working on it. I know I'd be healthier at a lower weight, which is why I'm trying to get to one. But if you make out like all people have to do is stop "shovelling shit" that helps precisely no one - because what people have to do is eat at a calorie deficit each day. It's easy in an age of convenience foods to exceed the number of calories you should be consuming without feeling like you eat that much. Eat a pre-packaged sandwich and a bag of crisps for lunch each day and that could be what's making your weight creep up. But that hardly constitutes "shovelling shit". You could never eat a takeaway or touch a slice of cake and get fat gradually extremely easily by having portion sizes that are too large. So telling that person who ISN'T "shovelling shit" to stop doing something they were never doing in the first place isn't going to help anyone. I don't see how saying this isn't dealing with the issue directly. It's just taking a slightly more nuanced approach and acknowledging that the ways people get fat are more than just "shovelling shit". | |||
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"oh for fucks sake
OK 'shovelling too much shit into their gobs instead of a balanced, healthy diet'...
*This* use of language is precisely my point from earlier in the thread. Most overweight people aren't "shovelling" "shit" into their gobs, they're eating maybe 200 or 300 calories too many each day (could be that morning latte) gaining 0.5 to a pound a week, over a period of time that adds up to being overweight without any shovelling happening.
The rhetoric around overweight and obese people conjours up the 400lb scooter riding extremes, so it's not difficult to see why people who are a bit overweight or in the lower reaches of the obese range think "well that isn't me, so I'm ok". Same as alcohol. When drinking too much is portrayed as just being about binge drinking youths fighting outside Yates' on a Friday night then the middle aged, middle class woman drinking a bottle of wine every couple of days thinks that doesn't apply to her.
You are a part of the problem when you describe people in such terms.
"This is the point I was trying to make earlier - and no doubt failing. It's a society wide problem, we've normalised excess, whether it be that extra chocolate muffin or that last glass of wine, yet marginalised exercise as something only weirdo's do. | |||
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"The trouble regarding weight issues and people's attitudes to towards weight issues it lack of education on the matter. Also lack of culinary education so they know how to cook good meals and stretch meals to get the most out of their money for healthy food, like using vegetable peelings for homade stocks etc. It's a dying art now a days I agree with this - making sauces from scratch instead of Dolmio etc. But I also think people already know this really but it suits them better to use a jar. The crux of the issue is still personal choices. Yes I think people know that homade is better for you, but do they know how to make it for themselves? Unfortunately many don't. I never did my mum wasn't a cook, so we always lived on convenience foods (like sauce jars etc), Abd she was on a low income so she says it was cheaper for her to do so. I therefore wasn't taught to make food any other way, even at school in home economics the only stuff we really made from scratch was cakes biscuits pasties etc (crap basically), it's only been in the last 4 years since joining slimming world and loosing 14.5st that I've learnt it all through buying their recipe books etc and now for the £1.89 it costs me for Dolomio sauce I can batch cook enough to spag Bol for 3 separate meals, so it's healthier and cheaper, even though more time consuming than using a jar " yes luckily I make time to cook a meal the only peelings thou I usually have left over are potato ones thee other veg prepared usually comes out of bags which you freeze, sometimes a readymeal with boiled veg off the cooker we all have a choice at the end of the day but again food is not cheap so I mix it up a bit for variety with a bit of bisto on top, I might do a stir fry Instead its being bothered but a big pork chop will carry the calories, so ready meals and other food the rest of the week thou I know what I,d prefer.. to eat, for me the time of the year dark days and usually cold contribute to over Indulgeing thou luckily I still have the will power to say no at things one of those things I,m proud to say is cream cakes I know there is plenty of crap out there to tempt you as in cakes or any confectionary as I once said before its all in moderation you,ll probabily enjoy your food to better. | |||
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"oh for fucks sake
OK 'shovelling too much shit into their gobs instead of a balanced, healthy diet'...
*This* use of language is precisely my point from earlier in the thread. Most overweight people aren't "shovelling" "shit" into their gobs, they're eating maybe 200 or 300 calories too many each day (could be that morning latte) gaining 0.5 to a pound a week, over a period of time that adds up to being overweight without any shovelling happening.
The rhetoric around overweight and obese people conjours up the 400lb scooter riding extremes, so it's not difficult to see why people who are a bit overweight or in the lower reaches of the obese range think "well that isn't me, so I'm ok". Same as alcohol. When drinking too much is portrayed as just being about binge drinking youths fighting outside Yates' on a Friday night then the middle aged, middle class woman drinking a bottle of wine every couple of days thinks that doesn't apply to her.
You are a part of the problem when you describe people in such terms.
No I'm not.
The people shovelling shit into their gobs are. The people making excuses for them help nobody.
You are a greater part of the problem than I when you seek to avoid dealing with the issue directly."OK. You believe that. I know when I hear the sort of comments you have made that I think that that I might as well eat some chocolate as the mental/emotional issues that feed my obesity mean nothing and I might as well just go for it. I KNOW I cannot lose weight when I am depressed. It's enough effort to get up everyday, get clean and dressed and deal with the world out there where I am judged for my gender, my colour, my clothes, my whatever AND my weight. If I'm being judged anyway, I might as well give in and make at least one part of my life easier and eat what I bloody well fancy when I fancy it? | |||
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" I have stated the simple fact that people are fat because they eat too much." You didn't, though. That's what I said. YOU said they were too fat because they were all shovelling shit in their gobs. Don't you get the difference? | |||
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"I've lost a stone and 2 lbs since November 28th. Wow you may say but it was fluid and the damn tablets that did it to me are almost gone "Well done you | |||
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"I KNOW I cannot lose weight when I am depressed. It's enough effort to get up everyday, get clean and dressed and deal with the world out there where I am judged for my gender, my colour, my clothes, my whatever AND my weight. If I'm being judged anyway, I might as well give in and make at least one part of my life easier and eat what I bloody well fancy when I fancy it? " You're lovely though and that makes a big difference to how people actually see you | |||
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"I've lost a stone and 2 lbs since November 28th. Wow you may say but it was fluid and the damn tablets that did it to me are almost gone Well done you "There's nothing well done, I've reduced my pain killers after my operation that's all. My point is that weight isn't always about shovelling in tons of food  | |||
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" I have stated the simple fact that people are fat because they eat too much. You didn't, though. That's what I said. YOU said they were too fat because they were all shovelling shit in their gobs. Don't you get the difference? " They are. It's the same thing. I can say it in lots of other ways too. It will remain the same. | |||
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" I have stated the simple fact that people are fat because they eat too much. You didn't, though. That's what I said. YOU said they were too fat because they were all shovelling shit in their gobs. Don't you get the difference? They are. It's the same thing. I can say it in lots of other ways too. It will remain the same." No it's not. Having too big a portion of lasagne with your dinner or a large costa latte every morning, or a glass of wine or two, all the little things that add up to consuming too many calories doesn't equate to shovelling shit. What's wrong with just saying "eating too much"? Or "consuming too many calories"? Why do you have to use terms with include a value judgement on the person? | |||
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" I have stated the simple fact that people are fat because they eat too much. You didn't, though. That's what I said. YOU said they were too fat because they were all shovelling shit in their gobs. Don't you get the difference? They are. It's the same thing. I can say it in lots of other ways too. It will remain the same. No it's not. Having too big a portion of lasagne with your dinner or a large costa latte every morning, or a glass of wine or two, all the little things that add up to consuming too many calories doesn't equate to shovelling shit. What's wrong with just saying "eating too much"? Or "consuming too many calories"? Why do you have to use terms with include a value judgement on the person?" The reason for my switch to blunter terms is apparent and explained in the earlier posts. Arguing the semantics makes no difference. It misses the point and is a part of the issue. People have to change, but only they can choose to make that change. Everything else is an attempt at diversion. | |||
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"I KNOW I cannot lose weight when I am depressed. It's enough effort to get up everyday, get clean and dressed and deal with the world out there where I am judged for my gender, my colour, my clothes, my whatever AND my weight. If I'm being judged anyway, I might as well give in and make at least one part of my life easier and eat what I bloody well fancy when I fancy it? You're lovely though and that makes a big difference to how people actually see you "Only to the people who get to know me. The comment I get most often is, You've lost weight! when I haven't. I have remained the same but I am 'remembered' as fatter than I am. If I could have lost a pound for every time I am told I have lost weight then I'd have disappeared by now. Now that I no longer menstruate my weight doesn't go up and down by 7-8lbs every two weeks, totally dependent on where I was in my cycle. I hold a pretty steady weight now. | |||
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" I have stated the simple fact that people are fat because they eat too much. You didn't, though. That's what I said. YOU said they were too fat because they were all shovelling shit in their gobs. Don't you get the difference? They are. It's the same thing. I can say it in lots of other ways too. It will remain the same. No it's not. Having too big a portion of lasagne with your dinner or a large costa latte every morning, or a glass of wine or two, all the little things that add up to consuming too many calories doesn't equate to shovelling shit. What's wrong with just saying "eating too much"? Or "consuming too many calories"? Why do you have to use terms with include a value judgement on the person? The reason for my switch to blunter terms is apparent and explained in the earlier posts. Arguing the semantics makes no difference. It misses the point and is a part of the issue. People have to change, but only they can choose to make that change. Everything else is an attempt at diversion." You're either unbelievably naive or wilfully ignorant if you don't think language and presentation plays a part in people's reactions to health messages. | |||
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"and you're unbelievably different in tone with regard to debates about weight than you are for other matters. You're also wilfully ignoring the actual point. If education was working, if supportive measures were working... why do people continue to get fatter? People know how they get fat. They know how to lose weight. Support is abundantly available to help them do so. But most choose not to." I'm not ignoring the actual point. I agree with you entirely that for the vast majority of people they just need to consume fewer calories. 500 a day less than BMR to lose a pound a week. Simple. Except it's not, because emotional and mental health play a huge role in people's ability to keep themselves on that track. Support isn't abundantly available to deal with that. It really, really isn't. Supportive measures aren't working because they're not there in any meaningful sense. | |||
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"I don't disagree that some need additional support, and for some matters are more complex. But we are debating the overall issue for society. Over half the population are overweight. If that same number are not capable of managing their own weight we have much more serious concerns than their weight." To a certain extent where is the incentive? "If you don't lose weight you might get diabetes" "Doesn't matter, the NHS can treat diabetes - at no cost to myself" If I drive my car like a lunatic, my car insurance cost doubles. If I treat my body like a fool, my National Insurance bill remains the same regardless. Or perhaps we need some blunt adverts like that anti-smoking one where the little girl mourns the loss of her parent? Or the NHS could sue snackfood manufacturers, like they did with the tobacco firms. (Except every time they reduce the calories in our favourite chocolate bar: "OMG the thieving, greedy, capitalistic bastards are at it again. Have you seen what they've done to the size of {insert your favourite snack here}) | |||
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"The impact on healthcare is the really tricky one. If not for that I'd be of the opinion that you do to your body as you wish.My issue is less that people choose to remain fat, more that they refuse to accept their responsibility for being so. But the issue of diabetes and health implications makes it an issue for all. We are a society of excuses and victims, lacking in personal responsibility. I don't think that helps anyone." True, but I'd also love to see some honest whole-life societal costings. Won't it be embarrassing if they all die young as predicted, yet it's my pension and care-home costs that end up bankrupting the state | |||
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