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MI5: the ring of steel.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I heard on the news that mi5 will build a ring of steel to protect london from a potential terror attack, it is after the attacks in nice and berlin.
Its purpose is to prevent terrorism. It was designed during the ira 'troubles'. What do you think of the idea? I think it is good and everything to make a city safe is welcomed  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don't believe you can prevent terrorism,,,, all you can do is make a determined terrorist switch target....
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That is right too, they said because it is the financial hub, so needed more protection. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I heard on the radio that the UK have 5 times the resource allocated to monitoring for chatter about attacks than the Germans do.
They do a good job  "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't believe you can prevent terrorism,,,, all you can do is make a determined terrorist switch target....
That is right too, they said because it is the financial hub, so needed more protection."
People everywhere need and deserve protection...and not just in or around London ...... |
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"I don't believe you can prevent terrorism,,,, all you can do is make a determined terrorist switch target....
That is right too, they said because it is the financial hub, so needed more protection.
People everywhere need and deserve protection...and not just in or around London ...... "
See above post from Mr Shocked. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't believe you can prevent terrorism,,,, all you can do is make a determined terrorist switch target....
That is right too, they said because it is the financial hub, so needed more protection.
People everywhere need and deserve protection...and not just in or around London ......
See above post from Mr Shocked. "
Yes ..... I remember the days of the IRA mainland campaign where soft target outside of a heavily guarded London suffered badly ..... |
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"I don't believe you can prevent terrorism,,,, all you can do is make a determined terrorist switch target....
That is right too, they said because it is the financial hub, so needed more protection.
People everywhere need and deserve protection...and not just in or around London ......
See above post from Mr Shocked.
Yes ..... I remember the days of the IRA mainland campaign where soft target outside of a heavily guarded London suffered badly ..... "
The Grand Hotel - KA-BOOOOOM!!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't believe you can prevent terrorism,,,, all you can do is make a determined terrorist switch target....
That is right too, they said because it is the financial hub, so needed more protection.
People everywhere need and deserve protection...and not just in or around London ......
See above post from Mr Shocked.
Yes ..... I remember the days of the IRA mainland campaign where soft target outside of a heavily guarded London suffered badly .....
The Grand Hotel - KA-BOOOOOM!!!!!"
The 1996 Manchester bombing was a prime example of soft targeting |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We're noticing a shift away from bombings now as these people dont have the resources of the IRA, they're small cells operating without much support or smuggling ability.
So they're improvising more and more trucks are the current big threat.
After that its just say 4 blokes turning up with machetes from b&q |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Grand Hotel - KA-BOOOOOM!!!!!
The 1996 Manchester bombing was a prime example of soft targeting
Blackpool took a lot. Plus the Warrington and St Albans bombs."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We're noticing a shift away from bombings now as these people dont have the resources of the IRA, they're small cells operating without much support or smuggling ability.
So they're improvising more and more trucks are the current big threat.
After that its just say 4 blokes turning up with machetes from b&q"
Sadly a distinct probability,,, |
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By *ficouldMan
over a year ago
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The last time I remember 'the ring of Steel' it was really only the city of London. Not London as a whole.
London shouldn't be the only part of Great Britain protected. However as a target it would receive the largest worldwide coverage. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Will this be like the wall with Mexico?
If the city contains people, it is as safe or dangerous as each one of them is. We waste vast resources on stoking peoples fears of the bogeymen. "
Apparently the Great wall of Mexico will be modelled on the Great wall of China which has historically proven its ability to repel any Mexican invasion  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't believe you can prevent terrorism,,,, all you can do is make a determined terrorist switch target....
That is right too, they said because it is the financial hub, so needed more protection.
People everywhere need and deserve protection...and not just in or around London ......
See above post from Mr Shocked.
Yes ..... I remember the days of the IRA mainland campaign where soft target outside of a heavily guarded London suffered badly .....
The Grand Hotel - KA-BOOOOOM!!!!!
The 1996 Manchester bombing was a prime example of soft targeting "
That day is etched into my memory banks. Once the initial shock of the enormous explosion was over, the utter devastation across a large part of the city centre was a sight I will never forget. Amazingly no one was killed, thanks to the coded messages used by the IRA at that time to allow public evacuation.
There are plenty of opportunities for terrorists to do the same sort of thing in London or anywhere else they so choose. Unfortunately these bastards won't be quite so courteous as to give a warning beforehand!
We must all be vigilant and keep our fingers and toes crossed that the security services can keep thwarting such atrocities.
Merry Christmas xxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A determined terrorist with a bit of bottle and some resources is a scary thing.
Luckily our SF tend to be pretty good at their jobs and that most potential terrorists tend to be cowards. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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While the threat of terrorist attack is fairly real, the actual reality is you are far more likely to suffer a fatal road accident... but you don't lose sleep over that. So chill, enjoy the holidays, and keep half an eye out for any danger from any source.
Terrorists win by creating fear. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"While the threat of terrorist attack is fairly real, the actual reality is you are far more likely to suffer a fatal road accident... but you don't lose sleep over that. So chill, enjoy the holidays, and keep half an eye out for any danger from any source.
Terrorists win by creating fear."
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I was in the Army in Germany in the 80s, so remember the IRA attacks there.
To be honest those camps were more secure than any city ever can be, yet the terrorists were still successful.
It's a numbers game, once they are on course it's pretty hard to stop. They have to be caught before they get to that stage.
But I do think we are all guilty of giving these people too much air. In terms of risk to the general population they are a small one.
Putting more police onto d*unk drivers and texting drivers would probably save more lives...
It's a matter of perspective, yes terrorism is scary and it does look awful and cause devastation when it happens.
But so does a multi-car pile up on the motorway, and we are all rather relaxed about that happening to us! |
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"While the threat of terrorist attack is fairly real, the actual reality is you are far more likely to suffer a fatal road accident... but you don't lose sleep over that. So chill, enjoy the holidays, and keep half an eye out for any danger from any source.
Terrorists win by creating fear."
Ooops missed that, I just said the same...
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"While the threat of terrorist attack is fairly real, the actual reality is you are far more likely to suffer a fatal road accident... but you don't lose sleep over that. So chill, enjoy the holidays, and keep half an eye out for any danger from any source.
Terrorists win by creating fear."
this..
they want fear, division, mistrust and hatred..
therein lies an equal challenge for all decent people to not let them call the tune.. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"While the threat of terrorist attack is fairly real, the actual reality is you are far more likely to suffer a fatal road accident... but you don't lose sleep over that. So chill, enjoy the holidays, and keep half an eye out for any danger from any source.
Terrorists win by creating fear.
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Exactly. You are probably 100 times more likely to die by choking on a brussel sprout than by a terrorist attack this Christmas.
Chew your food well.
-Matt |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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A determined terrorist organisation will always eventually get through.
The intelligence services have to be lucky every time whilst the terrorist just has to be lucky once.
All we can do as a nation is put as many defence measures in places we can and try and tackle the root cause as best we can. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A determined terrorist organisation will always eventually get through.
The intelligence services have to be lucky every time whilst the terrorist just has to be lucky once.
All we can do as a nation is put as many defence measures in places we can and try and tackle the root cause as best we can. "
You can never beat terrorism.You have to talk, if they dont want to talk its end game, |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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"A determined terrorist organisation will always eventually get through.
The intelligence services have to be lucky every time whilst the terrorist just has to be lucky once.
All we can do as a nation is put as many defence measures in places we can and try and tackle the root cause as best we can.
You can never beat terrorism.You have to talk, if they dont want to talk its end game,"
Depends on what you mean by defeat, you will never beat terrorism by force alone I agree (the general public would never agree to the methods required to achieve it by that means). But a combination of force, talk and play the long game will eventually defeat terrorism. |
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"A determined terrorist organisation will always eventually get through.
The intelligence services have to be lucky every time whilst the terrorist just has to be lucky once.
All we can do as a nation is put as many defence measures in places we can and try and tackle the root cause as best we can.
You can never beat terrorism.You have to talk, if they dont want to talk its end game,"
Exactly, defence is too late and too ineffective.
Bombing their country (or allowing others to do so) also doesn't seem to help. My what a suprise...
The only way is the long hard road of creating a fair and equal global society, i.e. spending our money to help others get up to a reasonable level of existence.
We could start by writing of all debts outstanding to us.
But we won't, because capitalism... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"A determined terrorist organisation will always eventually get through.
The intelligence services have to be lucky every time whilst the terrorist just has to be lucky once.
All we can do as a nation is put as many defence measures in places we can and try and tackle the root cause as best we can.
You can never beat terrorism.You have to talk, if they dont want to talk its end game,"
As I see it, religion could be the cause of it, would a massive media campaign exposing the truth about it help or is it too late? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A determined terrorist organisation will always eventually get through.
The intelligence services have to be lucky every time whilst the terrorist just has to be lucky once.
All we can do as a nation is put as many defence measures in places we can and try and tackle the root cause as best we can.
You can never beat terrorism.You have to talk, if they dont want to talk its end game,As I see it, religion could be the cause of it, would a massive media campaign exposing the truth about it help or is it too late?"
They hid behind religion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A determined terrorist organisation will always eventually get through.
The intelligence services have to be lucky every time whilst the terrorist just has to be lucky once.
All we can do as a nation is put as many defence measures in places we can and try and tackle the root cause as best we can.
You can never beat terrorism.You have to talk, if they dont want to talk its end game,As I see it, religion could be the cause of it, would a massive media campaign exposing the truth about it help or is it too late? They hid behind religion. "
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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago
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"I heard on the news that mi5 will build a ring of steel to protect london from a potential terror attack, it is after the attacks in nice and berlin.
Its purpose is to prevent terrorism. It was designed during the ira 'troubles'. What do you think of the idea? I think it is good and everything to make a city safe is welcomed "
What about the other cities?
Not everyone lives in London |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"A determined terrorist organisation will always eventually get through.
The intelligence services have to be lucky every time whilst the terrorist just has to be lucky once.
All we can do as a nation is put as many defence measures in places we can and try and tackle the root cause as best we can.
You can never beat terrorism.You have to talk, if they dont want to talk its end game,As I see it, religion could be the cause of it, would a massive media campaign exposing the truth about it help or is it too late? They hid behind religion. Hide *"
That is right they do too. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I heard on the news that mi5 will build a ring of steel to protect london from a potential terror attack, it is after the attacks in nice and berlin.
Its purpose is to prevent terrorism. It was designed during the ira 'troubles'. What do you think of the idea? I think it is good and everything to make a city safe is welcomed
What about the other cities?
Not everyone lives in London "
Yeah, other cities should have it too. I reckon as london have had 2 attacks already, they also said as it was the financial hub of the country. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I heard on the news that mi5 will build a ring of steel to protect london from a potential terror attack, it is after the attacks in nice and berlin.
Its purpose is to prevent terrorism. It was designed during the ira 'troubles'. What do you think of the idea? I think it is good and everything to make a city safe is welcomed
What about the other cities?
Not everyone lives in London "
This being the problem. You've mentioned it now. And they are that thick they don't think that far outside capitals for maximum publicity. It's coming. Didn't want to say it. But you've mentioned it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We were told last year that the highest threat at that time was in Brum and advised to stay clear. Yes heard that. It's Manifesting in these cities."
They basically said it was an almost certainty which was disconcerting. Obviously that's a year ago now so presumably somebody somewhere is doing a good job.
I do think the bigger worry is the unexpected. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We were told last year that the highest threat at that time was in Brum and advised to stay clear. Yes heard that. It's Manifesting in these cities.
They basically said it was an almost certainty which was disconcerting. Obviously that's a year ago now so presumably somebody somewhere is doing a good job.
I do think the bigger worry is the unexpected."
This is it. Resources seem to be holding up. However these rats are amongst us. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I haven't read the whole thread but wanted to add if you knew half of the stuff what has been prevented / going on you wouldn't leave your house in the morning.
All we can do is go about our daily business & put our faith in our security services that serves us well |
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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago
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Being lucky/unlucky enough to have access to information, I can only say our security and intelligence services do an utterly fantastic job and as people have said, the terrorists only have to be lucky once... these people are the reason we don't wake up to daily news of terror attacks. They deserve way more praise than they will ever get. I salute them! |
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"I heard on the news that mi5 will build a ring of steel to protect london from a potential terror attack, it is after the attacks in nice and berlin.
Its purpose is to prevent terrorism. It was designed during the ira 'troubles'. What do you think of the idea? I think it is good and everything to make a city safe is welcomed "
It was built and is still there but the checkpoints are no longer policed |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A determined terrorist organisation will always eventually get through.
The intelligence services have to be lucky every time whilst the terrorist just has to be lucky once.
All we can do as a nation is put as many defence measures in places we can and try and tackle the root cause as best we can.
You can never beat terrorism.You have to talk, if they dont want to talk its end game,
Exactly, defence is too late and too ineffective.
Bombing their country (or allowing others to do so) also doesn't seem to help. My what a suprise...
The only way is the long hard road of creating a fair and equal global society, i.e. spending our money to help others get up to a reasonable level of existence.
We could start by writing of all debts outstanding to us.
But we won't, because capitalism..."
How do you build a fair and equal society with people who jist wany you dead.
Its like saying the jews should have just tried talking to the nazis.
The debt comment is just silly and i suppose can be argued with "so howd that communism work out?" |
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