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"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict "  yup, the chance of being slaughtered by a maniacal Muslim whilst peacefully going about your business is the new normal, so why worry about it? | |||
"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict yup, the chance of being slaughtered by a maniacal Muslim whilst peacefully going about your business is the new normal, so why worry about it?"Tbh, as a UK citizen your odds of dying in a terrorist attack are about as high as dying from a bee sting. Food for thought...  | |||
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"So I'm guessing most of you have heard about the attack that took place recently during the time of the Xmas market.this type of terrorism is catching on now and its quite scary.I wonder how they're going to prevent further attacks in the future and its only a matter of time before it will happen in the uk.they mentioned on the news they might try to enforce strong bollards around festive events and up security.:/ we live in an evil world. "The uk has been very proactive in this area. Much of the street furniture you see (planters, little walls, sculptures and other assorted decorations) have been replaced with versions designed to stop a 7 ton lorry doing 50mph Such as ourside arsenal statium the big "ARSENAL" letters are actuslly a reinforced truck stop barrier. Its some very clever architecture thats going into it to make it unobtrusive and unoticeable (including makeing small bends and curves that are fine at regular speed but impossible for a truck st speed to manage) | |||
"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict yup, the chance of being slaughtered by a maniacal Muslim whilst peacefully going about your business is the new normal, so why worry about it?
Tbh, as a UK citizen your odds of dying in a terrorist attack are about as high as dying from a bee sting.
Food for thought...
"Surely that statistic is entirely dependant upon you being allergic to be stings (or how often you kick over bee hives) | |||
"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict yup, the chance of being slaughtered by a maniacal Muslim whilst peacefully going about your business is the new normal, so why worry about it?
Tbh, as a UK citizen your odds of dying in a terrorist attack are about as high as dying from a bee sting.
Food for thought...
Surely that statistic is entirely dependant upon you being allergic to be stings (or how often you kick over bee hives)"Or where you travel or live or if your country has kicked over any countries in the Middle East in the last decade. Meh. | |||
"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict yup, the chance of being slaughtered by a maniacal Muslim whilst peacefully going about your business is the new normal, so why worry about it?
Tbh, as a UK citizen your odds of dying in a terrorist attack are about as high as dying from a bee sting.
Food for thought...
Surely that statistic is entirely dependant upon you being allergic to be stings (or how often you kick over bee hives)
Or where you travel or live or if your country has kicked over any countries in the Middle East in the last decade.
Meh."Has Germany had much involvement in the middle east? | |||
"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict yup, the chance of being slaughtered by a maniacal Muslim whilst peacefully going about your business is the new normal, so why worry about it?
Tbh, as a UK citizen your odds of dying in a terrorist attack are about as high as dying from a bee sting.
Food for thought...
Surely that statistic is entirely dependant upon you being allergic to be stings (or how often you kick over bee hives)
Or where you travel or live or if your country has kicked over any countries in the Middle East in the last decade.
Meh.
Has Germany had much involvement in the middle east?"Active in Afghanistan :P | |||
"this type of terrorism is catching on now and its quite scary.I wonder how they're going to prevent further attacks in the future" I would suggest stop interfering with other countries but it's far too late for that now | |||
"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict yup, the chance of being slaughtered by a maniacal Muslim whilst peacefully going about your business is the new normal, so why worry about it?
Tbh, as a UK citizen your odds of dying in a terrorist attack are about as high as dying from a bee sting.
Food for thought...
Surely that statistic is entirely dependant upon you being allergic to be stings (or how often you kick over bee hives)
Or where you travel or live or if your country has kicked over any countries in the Middle East in the last decade.
Meh.
Has Germany had much involvement in the middle east?
Active in Afghanistan :P"Really? I thought they hadn't got involved. I know there was uproar a few years back when merkal came to power about the navel ROE being changed to allow them to fire first for the first time since ww2 but i hadn't realised theyd actually sent teoops anywhere | |||
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" Has Germany had much involvement in the middle east?" well since the suspect they are looking for is tunisian.... someones geography is off.... 
anyway..... likelyhood is that if we have some sort of attack... it will be committed by someone homegrown....... like in the jo cox mudrer | |||
"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict yup, the chance of being slaughtered by a maniacal Muslim whilst peacefully going about your business is the new normal, so why worry about it?
Tbh, as a UK citizen your odds of dying in a terrorist attack are about as high as dying from a bee sting.
Food for thought...
Surely that statistic is entirely dependant upon you being allergic to be stings (or how often you kick over bee hives)
Or where you travel or live or if your country has kicked over any countries in the Middle East in the last decade.
Meh.
Has Germany had much involvement in the middle east?
Active in Afghanistan :P
Really? I thought they hadn't got involved. I know there was uproar a few years back when merkal came to power about the navel ROE being changed to allow them to fire first for the first time since ww2 but i hadn't realised theyd actually sent teoops anywhere "Suck my cock?  | |||
"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict yup, the chance of being slaughtered by a maniacal Muslim whilst peacefully going about your business is the new normal, so why worry about it?
Tbh, as a UK citizen your odds of dying in a terrorist attack are about as high as dying from a bee sting.
Food for thought...
"If I thought I was in danger of being killed from a bee sting, I would stomp on the bee before it got the chance to sting me. Food for thought. | |||
"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict yup, the chance of being slaughtered by a maniacal Muslim whilst peacefully going about your business is the new normal, so why worry about it?
Tbh, as a UK citizen your odds of dying in a terrorist attack are about as high as dying from a bee sting.
Food for thought...
If I thought I was in danger of being killed from a bee sting, I would stomp on the bee before it got the chance to sting me. Food for thought."You couldn't get the UK government to change the laws and our hundreds of millions of pounds into combating the menace of bees, while yr at it? | |||
" Has Germany had much involvement in the middle east? well since the suspect they are looking for is tunisian.... someones geography is off....
anyway..... likelyhood is that if we have some sort of attack... it will be committed by someone homegrown....... like in the jo cox mudrer "er, remember the Tunisian beach attack? It's not middle eastern, its Islamic extremists - there is no geography. | |||
" Has Germany had much involvement in the middle east? well since the suspect they are looking for is tunisian.... someones geography is off....
anyway..... likelyhood is that if we have some sort of attack... it will be committed by someone homegrown....... like in the jo cox mudrer
er, remember the Tunisian beach attack? It's not middle eastern, its Islamic extremists - there is no geography."the point i was trying to make is that people were very quick to point the figure at an asylum seeker germany let in (farage and trump for example) when there is no evidence of such.... | |||
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" Has Germany had much involvement in the middle east? well since the suspect they are looking for is tunisian.... someones geography is off....
anyway..... likelyhood is that if we have some sort of attack... it will be committed by someone homegrown....... like in the jo cox mudrer
er, remember the Tunisian beach attack? It's not middle eastern, its Islamic extremists - there is no geography.
the point i was trying to make is that people were very quick to point the figure at an asylum seeker germany let in (farage and trump for example) when there is no evidence of such...."It's a fair point you make but lets be honest, practically every terrorist atrocity carried out this year has been carried out by a an Islamic extremist, so it can't be a huge surprise if they get the blame before the facts come out. Was the same in the Seventies with the IRA. | |||
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" Has Germany had much involvement in the middle east? well since the suspect they are looking for is tunisian.... someones geography is off....
anyway..... likelyhood is that if we have some sort of attack... it will be committed by someone homegrown....... like in the jo cox mudrer "Well he said the statistic depended ona countries involvement in the middle east not me. But he would make a good point there given the meddling around mecca is commonly cited as justification for attacks on t b e west | |||
"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict yup, the chance of being slaughtered by a maniacal Muslim whilst peacefully going about your business is the new normal, so why worry about it?
Tbh, as a UK citizen your odds of dying in a terrorist attack are about as high as dying from a bee sting.
Food for thought...
". I just googled that, it's anuialised averages from terrorism compared to bees, wasps and hornets not just bees , they average it at 5 per year for each!. Now if we're dealing with risk, that's not the same, the chances of bees wasps and hornets banding together on an all out attack on humans is very minimal however the chances of ONE crazed religious nutjob wishing to kill tens of thousands given half the chance is slightly higher!. | |||
"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict yup, the chance of being slaughtered by a maniacal Muslim whilst peacefully going about your business is the new normal, so why worry about it?
Tbh, as a UK citizen your odds of dying in a terrorist attack are about as high as dying from a bee sting.
Food for thought...
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I just googled that, it's anuialised averages from terrorism compared to bees, wasps and hornets not just bees , they average it at 5 per year for each!.
Now if we're dealing with risk, that's not the same, the chances of bees wasps and hornets banding together on an all out attack on humans is very minimal however the chances of ONE crazed religious nutjob wishing to kill tens of thousands given half the chance is slightly higher!.
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" Has Germany had much involvement in the middle east? well since the suspect they are looking for is tunisian.... someones geography is off....
anyway..... likelyhood is that if we have some sort of attack... it will be committed by someone homegrown....... like in the jo cox mudrer
Well he said the statistic depended ona countries involvement in the middle east not me.
But he would make a good point there given the meddling around mecca is commonly cited as justification for attacks on t b e west". It's western folly, this idea that don't say anything, don't print pictures of Mohammed, don't dress too provocatively... It's nonsense, third on al qaedas list of grievances for 911 was the stopping off genocide in Indonesia!!!!!. Don't make me fucking laugh with these dreamt up justifications by liberal Wally's with no idea what the talking about. They don't like us, they don't like our way of life, they don't like our science, they don't like our medicine, clothing, culture, dress... Nothing?. Do not make the mistake of pacifism will stop them from thinking bad of you. | |||
"More chance of being killed on the roads than from some wanker trying to be a martyr " Just wait until driverless vehicles are common on our roads.They have to be controlled and programmed from somewhere and there will be no driver for the police to shoot.It will be carnage. | |||
"More chance of being killed on the roads than from some wanker trying to be a martyr Just wait until driverless vehicles are common on our roads.They have to be controlled and programmed from somewhere and there will be no driver for the police to shoot.It will be carnage." Theyre controlled from inside the car. You can make a remote controled car right now quite easily (you can buy a kit ( far more easily than you could hack and manipulate a brand new driverless car. Plus bullets do work really well at breaking engine blocks. | |||
"We have to be vigilafterhave faith in those whose job it is to look after the Country's National Security, and try and carry on as normal as we possibly can. Otherwise evil has won. " Very true I feel for the people in Berlin now who have to carry on as normal just Like in paris. | |||
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"my son lives in cologne and 2 of his friends were at a xmas market in berlin - fortunately a different one to the lorry incident - he says its awful there - all the news is this kind of thing - " Scary times definetly and so close to home when u know people who went out there. | |||
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"my son lives in cologne and 2 of his friends were at a xmas market in berlin - fortunately a different one to the lorry incident - he says its awful there - all the news is this kind of thing - Scary times definetly and so close to home when u know people who went out there. "yes my daughter is convinced her brother has gone to germany to get killed = | |||
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"So I'm guessing most of you have heard about the attack that took place recently during the time of the Xmas market.this type of terrorism is catching on now and its quite scary.I wonder how they're going to prevent further attacks in the future and its only a matter of time before it will happen in the uk.they mentioned on the news they might try to enforce strong bollards around festive events and up security.:/ we live in an evil world. "It's not scary. You stand much more chance of being run over crossing the road than being killed by a terrorist. We need less fear being spread, not more. | |||
"Our government will continue to stress the dangers of terrorist attacks and will increase the limits to our freedom in the name of combating islamic extremism. *And at the very same* this government intends to make it even easier for Saudi Arabia to open Wahhabi schools that teach young impressionable boys that non-muslims and Shia muslims are dirt and women are half the value of men." I would love to see your source for that last bit. | |||
"More chance of being killed on the roads than from some wanker trying to be a martyr Just wait until driverless vehicles are common on our roads.They have to be controlled and programmed from somewhere and there will be no driver for the police to shoot.It will be carnage." Helpful | |||
"my son lives in cologne and 2 of his friends were at a xmas market in berlin - fortunately a different one to the lorry incident - he says its awful there - all the news is this kind of thing - " I went Cologne at the beginning of the month to the Christmas markets, I just can't imagine what those poor people went through at such a wonderful time of the year too | |||
"It has more, I think, to do with perceptions of risk. But Thx118 has a point - I am comparing apples with oranges re: bee stings & terror attacks. But it goes to show that the over-all numbers are low. If the UK g'ment wanted to make serious inroads into keeping its citizens safe, then greater emphasis would be put on smoking, drinking and eating less, and on road safety, for instance. But these are all areas we we feel we have control. Whereas with a terror attack its all BLOOD AND GUNS AND DEATH AND SCREAMING. It's scary. Bit like with plane crashes. Statistically speaking, airplanes are one of the safest ways to travel (bus is best). But when they crash we all piss our pants. No-one thinks too hard that when they get into their car to go to work they'll be one of around 1,700 deaths or 186,000 casualties in road traffic accidents (2014). Because you think you have control. There is risk, and then there is the perception of risk. Was what I meant. "And that concludes the discussion folks. Course its bound to continue until the whole thread gets closed. If I pander to what mainstream media is telling us then I'm gonna be scared to go get my boxing day bargains. Whereas I've more chance being killed by a d*unk driver on my way to get my next pair of fabulous heels than by a terrorist. | |||
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"It is all merkels fault with an open border and they wonder why alternative for germany is so popular, history will judge her hard." Can you explnd on that a bit? | |||
"It is all merkels fault with an open border and they wonder why alternative for germany is so popular, history will judge her hard. Can you explnd on that a bit? " Not sure what more to say on that one? | |||
"It is all merkels fault with an open border and they wonder why alternative for germany is so popular, history will judge her hard. Can you explnd on that a bit? Not sure what more to say on that one?" I;m just wondering how you are able to blame the events on one person? | |||
"It is all merkels fault with an open border and they wonder why alternative for germany is so popular, history will judge her hard. Can you explnd on that a bit? Not sure what more to say on that one? I;m just wondering how you are able to blame the events on one person?" sure you can... obviously anders brevik and the crime he committed lies squarely at the fault of the Norwegian PM.... Oh... wait...... | |||
"It is all merkels fault with an open border and they wonder why alternative for germany is so popular, history will judge her hard. Can you explnd on that a bit? Not sure what more to say on that one? I;m just wondering how you are able to blame the events on one person? sure you can... obviously anders brevik and the crime he committed lies squarely at the fault of the Norwegian PM.... Oh... wait......" Don't be silly - he was white and therefore a lone nutter, whereas brown people are definitley organised terrorists (nowadays - it used to be that white people were only terrorists if they had an Irish accent)... | |||
"It is all merkels fault with an open border and they wonder why alternative for germany is so popular, history will judge her hard. Can you explnd on that a bit? Not sure what more to say on that one? I;m just wondering how you are able to blame the events on one person?" You cant, but you can control of who they are letting in. | |||
"It is all merkels fault with an open border and they wonder why alternative for germany is so popular, history will judge her hard. Can you explnd on that a bit? Not sure what more to say on that one? I;m just wondering how you are able to blame the events on one person?You cant, but you can control of who they are letting in." Where are you from again Shag?  | |||
"It is all merkels fault with an open border and they wonder why alternative for germany is so popular, history will judge her hard. Can you explnd on that a bit? Not sure what more to say on that one? I;m just wondering how you are able to blame the events on one person?You cant, but you can control of who they are letting in." So it;s not all Merkel's fault then? 
So how would 'controlling who they let in' have changed things? | |||
"my son lives in cologne and 2 of his friends were at a xmas market in berlin - fortunately a different one to the lorry incident - he says its awful there - all the news is this kind of thing - I went Cologne at the beginning of the month to the Christmas markets, I just can't imagine what those poor people went through at such a wonderful time of the year too "Terrifying such a shame,,,just like Paris, Germany was well known for its nice tourist attractions now people will be put off visiting for a while :/ | |||
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"I find it really strange when people blame everything on immigration ( which I'm guessing is what the Merkel comment is talking about ). A) the suspect is an asylum seeker and therefore the immigration policy has nothing to do with him being in the country B) if someone from ISIS wants to attack they will find other ways to get in . They aren't going to say ' oh that's an illegal way of entering I'll just stay at home and watch the Simpsons " Oh come on! You are supposed to fear the "tidal wave" of immgrants coming to swamp our culture, rape our women and murder innocent christians. If only we had a "superman" to save us and preserve our race..... | |||
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"It is all merkels fault with an open border and they wonder why alternative for germany is so popular, history will judge her hard. Can you explnd on that a bit? Not sure what more to say on that one? I;m just wondering how you are able to blame the events on one person?You cant, but you can control of who they are letting in. So it;s not all Merkel's fault then?
So how would 'controlling who they let in' have changed things?"Yes it is, but as they got swamped with the eu migration crisis, it is kinda too late now, if they would of acted earlier, it could of reduced the risk. | |||
"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict " Or get murdered by a serial killer | |||
"It is all merkels fault with an open border and they wonder why alternative for germany is so popular, history will judge her hard. Can you explnd on that a bit? Not sure what more to say on that one? I;m just wondering how you are able to blame the events on one person?You cant, but you can control of who they are letting in. Where are you from again Shag? "I am from sweden, englands closest ally  | |||
"That's until the next Marty decides to run the truck through a nuclear plant.... Although to be honest I'd just back a truck up to the nearest reservoir and dump a load of shit in that, or you could... Yeah well, it's all about how far your willing to go and there willing to go further than us, so time will tell" Better be aware of men called marty  | |||
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"...teach young impressionable boys that non-muslims and Shia muslims are dirt and women are half the value of men." I always find this amusing- regardless of what humans say, or teach, or what people *think* Islam teaches- women are infact at a higher status than men in Islam. Islam the religion, NOT Islam that is practiced by peoples actions due to human nature/men ruling the world. The most clear point of this is the very very clear and famous revelation/rule: "The first most important/highest ranking person in a humans life is your mother. The second most important human is your mother, the 3rd most important is your mother, then the 4th is your father". Unfortunately many many people know this but very very few people seem to follow it. Curse their mother they will break your neck, but not think twice as seeing women as same/less than men (thats not an Islam or even an Arab thing- Trump, unequal pay in western countries, significantly less women in high status positions, etc etc). | |||
"...teach young impressionable boys that non-muslims and Shia muslims are dirt and women are half the value of men. I always find this amusing- regardless of what humans say, or teach, or what people *think* Islam teaches- women are infact at a higher status than men in Islam. Islam the religion, NOT Islam that is practiced by peoples actions due to human nature/men ruling the world. The most clear point of this is the very very clear and famous revelation/rule: "The first most important/highest ranking person in a humans life is your mother. The second most important human is your mother, the 3rd most important is your mother, then the 4th is your father". " I agree with this. I read the quran for research purposes and it has that exact quote in it | |||
"...teach young impressionable boys that non-muslims and Shia muslims are dirt and women are half the value of men. I always find this amusing- regardless of what humans say, or teach, or what people *think* Islam teaches- women are infact at a higher status than men in Islam. Islam the religion, NOT Islam that is practiced by peoples actions due to human nature/men ruling the world. The most clear point of this is the very very clear and famous revelation/rule: "The first most important/highest ranking person in a humans life is your mother. The second most important human is your mother, the 3rd most important is your mother, then the 4th is your father". Unfortunately many many people know this but very very few people seem to follow it. Curse their mother they will break your neck, but not think twice as seeing women as same/less than men (thats not an Islam or even an Arab thing- Trump, unequal pay in western countries, significantly less women in high status positions, etc etc). " You come over here with your facts, tolerance and your reasonable arguments and tell good white British or European people that they are being intolerant and idiotic. Thank fuck, come back often. | |||
"It's funny how this has gripped people so much, yet I never heard as much talk about terrorism when the IRA were setting off bombs. There is a lot they can do to stop this kind of things happening again, but you have to think more along the lines of stopping what they will do next. " There were no Internet forums to spout utter horseshit on when the IRA were doing the damage. | |||
"...teach young impressionable boys that non-muslims and Shia muslims are dirt and women are half the value of men. I always find this amusing- regardless of what humans say, or teach, or what people *think* Islam teaches- women are infact at a higher status than men in Islam. Islam the religion, NOT Islam that is practiced by peoples actions due to human nature/men ruling the world. The most clear point of this is the very very clear and famous revelation/rule: "The first most important/highest ranking person in a humans life is your mother. The second most important human is your mother, the 3rd most important is your mother, then the 4th is your father". Unfortunately many many people know this but very very few people seem to follow it. Curse their mother they will break your neck, but not think twice as seeing women as same/less than men (thats not an Islam or even an Arab thing- Trump, unequal pay in western countries, significantly less women in high status positions, etc etc). You come over here with your facts, tolerance and your reasonable arguments and tell good white British or European people that they are being intolerant and idiotic. Thank fuck, come back often. " But then who will we hate? | |||
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"...teach young impressionable boys that non-muslims and Shia muslims are dirt and women are half the value of men. I always find this amusing- regardless of what humans say, or teach, or what people *think* Islam teaches- women are infact at a higher status than men in Islam. Islam the religion, NOT Islam that is practiced by peoples actions due to human nature/men ruling the world. The most clear point of this is the very very clear and famous revelation/rule: "The first most important/highest ranking person in a humans life is your mother. The second most important human is your mother, the 3rd most important is your mother, then the 4th is your father". Unfortunately many many people know this but very very few people seem to follow it. Curse their mother they will break your neck, but not think twice as seeing women as same/less than men (thats not an Islam or even an Arab thing- Trump, unequal pay in western countries, significantly less women in high status positions, etc etc). " I think this passage only refers to the individual's mother, not other peoples' mothers or women who aren't mothers. | |||
"I don't get why everyone gets so wound up over this, I am sure most people realise these are Islamic extremists and not normal people who get on with their lives like everyone else does. When the IRA were bombing, when you heard of a bomb going off it was the first thing you thought off so why be surprised when the first thing people think of now is the extremists who are doing these atrocities. It seems to be even when it is reported who they think did it and people repeat it that it is frowned upon to say so. " Because scapegoating of muslims suits the purposes of the new far-right in the UK, and therefore they are keen to paint them as auslander... | |||
" Because scapegoating of muslims suits the purposes of the new far-right in the UK, .." I get that, but if peple want to discuss this subject, even in reasoned arguments they are labelled bigots/ ignorant and intolerant, how is that any better. Disclaimer, I am aware there are bigots out there too | |||
" Because scapegoating of muslims suits the purposes of the new far-right in the UK, .. I get that, but if peple want to discuss this subject, even in reasoned arguments they are labelled bigots/ ignorant and intolerant, how is that any better. Disclaimer, I am aware there are bigots out there too" I don't think they are, to be honest. I'm not a fan of organised religion, myself. It's a percieved threat of the "political correctness gone mad" brigade. | |||
" Because scapegoating of muslims suits the purposes of the new far-right in the UK, .. I get that, but if peple want to discuss this subject, even in reasoned arguments they are labelled bigots/ ignorant and intolerant, how is that any better. Disclaimer, I am aware there are bigots out there too I don't think they are, to be honest. I'm not a fan of organised religion, myself. It's a percieved threat of the "political correctness gone mad" brigade. " . So nobody should do anything about it?.... It's less people than bee stings, stop being such a racist/bigot/xenophobe.... They've been bombed, white people have pillaged them... . . What utter fucking bollocks, describing the religion of Islam as peaceful or nice to women and gays is like saying Jimmy savile...A man of charity... Course he was, did loads for charity, stop saying anything about his misdermeanours with children...look over here , look at the hospitals he helped, look at the nice things... Don't look there, that's Jimmy molesting young girls, yes I know it's bad, I know his whole philosophy is fucking wicked.... Just look at the good things he did, think of the comfort that he brought to dying people in hospital. . Do me fucking favour, Islam is a fucking god awful piece of shit religion, it's akin to Scientology for its cult status and Catholicism for its Barbary. . This justification of death is so fucking liberal.... Oh those poor Catholics in northern Ireland,I can see why there killing children now... It all makes fucking sense. . 15% of the world are fucking nuts, you can see that here on the forums on a daily basis.... Now imagine that 15% being indoctrinated with the philosophy of Nazism or the BNP the KKK what do you think the outcome would be?. Not good I'm presuming, you'd imagine a substantial amount would go on to commit crimes of murder and mayhem..... But not one of you dare say anything bad about the BNP or Nazism or the KKK... No, it's not the ideology of the group causing it, it's just crazy individuals who HAPPEN to be KKK members..... It's just pure chance, stop being so racist saying the ideology of the KKK are crazy and RACIST. | |||
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"People of Syria.... Stop your deluded, your in no bigger danger than being chased by bees... You deluded fools, this a media driven agenda. Young girls of Afghanistan and Pakistan throw off your bed linen, go out on the streets alone... It will be fine, a guy dressed as Spiderman on a sex site said there no more dangerous than bees for fuck sake.....I do seriously worry about the mentality of liberals at times "Clearly the bee comparison was referring to people in the uk . It's obvious to anyone reading it so not sure why you need to be so facetious | |||
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"I'm watching the news this morning. What I find scary is the lack of action against this guy considering the amount of intel they had on him. I only hope our intelligence services are more effective than the Germans. It seems to me these deaths could have been prevented with the correct intervention." There are only a finite amount of resources to put people under surveillance. At some point they have to make a judgement call as to whether a target is worth watching. It's a huge judgement call becauseif they don't free up those resources to watch another target and that target commits an atrocity then the security services are under fire. If they do move the resources to a new target and the old target does something, again they are under fire. In this case, someone made the wrong judgement call. Who hasn't made the wrong call at work? The often chanted saying, the terrorists only have to get it right once, the security service every time. | |||
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"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. " According to the security services it could well get that way though as this seems to be the next way of maiming people. | |||
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"It's funny how this has gripped people so much, yet I never heard as much talk about terrorism when the IRA were setting off bombs. There is a lot they can do to stop this kind of things happening again, but you have to think more along the lines of stopping what they will do next. " I suppose you could say its because the first attack by islamic extremists most people heard about killed more people in 1 day and changed the world more than the IRA did in 30 years. | |||
"this type of terrorism is catching on now and its quite scary.I wonder how they're going to prevent further attacks in the future I would suggest stop interfering with other countries but it's far too late for that now" Maybe we should have done that when Germany invaded Poland according to your way of thinking. | |||
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"You will always get the political correctness crew, that is the reason the world is what it is today. I was watching a program about sweden and the police said the same and when they interviwed the people if they have let to many in they all said no, but they hesitated with the answer, we now call sweden baghdad." A simple test of your hypothesis: 1/ live in Sweden for a year 2/ live in Baghdad for a year 3/ compare and contrast the experiences and conclude the two have nothing to do with each other | |||
"You will always get the political correctness crew, that is the reason the world is what it is today. I was watching a program about sweden and the police said the same and when they interviwed the people if they have let to many in they all said no, but they hesitated with the answer, we now call sweden baghdad. A simple test of your hypothesis: 1/ live in Sweden for a year 2/ live in Baghdad for a year 3/ compare and contrast the experiences and conclude the two have nothing to do with each other "It is a saying we have there with the daily car fires and granades from afghanistan and how they treat the women. | |||
"You will always get the political correctness crew, that is the reason the world is what it is today. I was watching a program about sweden and the police said the same and when they interviwed the people if they have let to many in they all said no, but they hesitated with the answer, we now call sweden baghdad. A simple test of your hypothesis: 1/ live in Sweden for a year 2/ live in Baghdad for a year 3/ compare and contrast the experiences and conclude the two have nothing to do with each other "4/ move to Cloud Cookoo Land in disappointment | |||
"You will always get the political correctness crew, that is the reason the world is what it is today. I was watching a program about sweden and the police said the same and when they interviwed the people if they have let to many in they all said no, but they hesitated with the answer, we now call sweden baghdad. A simple test of your hypothesis: 1/ live in Sweden for a year 2/ live in Baghdad for a year 3/ compare and contrast the experiences and conclude the two have nothing to do with each other It is a saying we have there with the daily car fires and granades from afghanistan and how they treat the women."Sweden is like Baghdad? | |||
" Maybe we should have done that when Germany invaded Poland according to your way of thinking. " Not sure it's really the same thing. Realistically you could conclude that the western coalition actually invaded certain oil rich countries and removed their governments? But.... global politics are not so black and white. Cal | |||
"this type of terrorism is catching on now and its quite scary.I wonder how they're going to prevent further attacks in the future I would suggest stop interfering with other countries but it's far too late for that now Maybe we should have done that when Germany invaded Poland according to your way of thinking. " . The pacifism today is no different than the 30s with Nazism, the parallels are scarily familiar, leave them alone, don't say anything, don't "upset" them!. I've lived with terrorism, my entire family are refugees, I've seen it close up and I've seen the pacifiers.... They don't change! | |||
" Maybe we should have done that when Germany invaded Poland according to your way of thinking. Not sure it's really the same thing. Realistically you could conclude that the western coalition actually invaded certain oil rich countries and removed their governments? But.... global politics are not so black and white. Cal " . 911, the bombing of the American warship in Yemen all predate the middle East policy of regime change, Islamic terror is not a 21 century concept, it predates ww2 even | |||
" Maybe we should have done that when Germany invaded Poland according to your way of thinking. Not sure it's really the same thing. Realistically you could conclude that the western coalition actually invaded certain oil rich countries and removed their governments? But.... global politics are not so black and white. Cal " Muslims are on the march across the world. Mostly they in '3rd world' countries they butcher people for power. 'Our' sort of countries they play the victim whilst slowly bidding their time. Problem we have now is the ultra left even the mainstream left have made it very difficult to point out any problems with anyone other then say the white British race. Look at Fabio. Perfect example on here. Will always blame the 'white' western world for everyone's problems. | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. According to the security services it could well get that way though as this seems to be the next way of maiming people." . A spokesperson on radio 5 yesterday said the UK security forces had stopped at least a dozen similar plans for the UK!. There ordering in more bee suits as well for the expected rise in bee extremism | |||
"You will always get the political correctness crew, that is the reason the world is what it is today. I was watching a program about sweden and the police said the same and when they interviwed the people if they have let to many in they all said no, but they hesitated with the answer, we now call sweden baghdad. A simple test of your hypothesis: 1/ live in Sweden for a year 2/ live in Baghdad for a year 3/ compare and contrast the experiences and conclude the two have nothing to do with each other It is a saying we have there with the daily car fires and granades from afghanistan and how they treat the women.
Sweden is like Baghdad?
"Yes, but it can be taken back from mujeden to eden, with the election coming up | |||
" 911, the bombing of the American warship in Yemen all predate the middle East policy of regime change, Islamic terror is not a 21 century concept, it predates ww2 even" You clearly lack knowledge on the subject. Why don't you do a little research, it's basically history. | |||
" Maybe we should have done that when Germany invaded Poland according to your way of thinking. Not sure it's really the same thing. Realistically you could conclude that the western coalition actually invaded certain oil rich countries and removed their governments? But.... global politics are not so black and white. Cal " | |||
" Maybe we should have done that when Germany invaded Poland according to your way of thinking. Not sure it's really the same thing. Realistically you could conclude that the western coalition actually invaded certain oil rich countries and removed their governments? But.... global politics are not so black and white. Cal Muslims are on the march across the world. Mostly they in '3rd world' countries they butcher people for power. 'Our' sort of countries they play the victim whilst slowly bidding their time. Problem we have now is the ultra left even the mainstream left have made it very difficult to point out any problems with anyone other then say the white British race. Look at Fabio. Perfect example on here. Will always blame the 'white' western world for everyone's problems. " It's nothing to do with being 'left' it's about not judging an entire religion by the actions of a small percentage | |||
" 911, the bombing of the American warship in Yemen all predate the middle East policy of regime change, Islamic terror is not a 21 century concept, it predates ww2 even You clearly lack knowledge on the subject. Why don't you do a little research, it's basically history. " . No 911 was 2001 and the us warship I think was in 97 they both predate the current policy of middle eastern regime change. Look one of al Qaeda grievances on their list for 911 was the intervention in the genocide in Indonesia, did the west have some terrible policy in selling weapons to Indonesia, sure they did but that's not what al Qaeda was aggrieved about, they were pissed off about the west's intervention in stopping genocide!. . Why don't you get back to me with a counter argument instead of just saying "you lack knowledge" | |||
" It's nothing to do with being 'left' it's about not judging an entire religion by the actions of a small percentage " . That's nonsensical, of course I can judge an entire religion, it's a man made concept like the KKK, are you telling me I can't judge the KKK ideology just because they have one or two whackos in it?. . What I can't do is prejudge somebody by colour or creed, that's a ridiculous thing to do, I can of course prejudge somebody who follows catholsim or Buddhism or Islam, you can make educated guesses on the fact that they follow a particular ideology, just like I can have a guess that a member of the KKK might be a racist?. | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. According to the security services it could well get that way though as this seems to be the next way of maiming people.. A spokesperson on radio 5 yesterday said the UK security forces had stopped at least a dozen similar plans for the UK!. There ordering in more bee suits as well for the expected rise in bee extremism "That doesn't mean anything , not anything substantial. Does it ? 'UK security forces has stopped at least a dozen 'similar' plans for the u.k. Did someone draw a truck ? Did someone drive a truck ? Did someone say I think we should attack the UK ? Was someone pulled from a truck cos he was eating couscous and sultanas ? | |||
" It's nothing to do with being 'left' it's about not judging an entire religion by the actions of a small percentage . That's nonsensical, of course I can judge an entire religion, it's a man made concept like the KKK, are you telling me I can't judge the KKK ideology just because they have one or two whackos in it?. . What I can't do is prejudge somebody by colour or creed, that's a ridiculous thing to do, I can of course prejudge somebody who follows catholsim or Buddhism or Islam, you can make educated guesses on the fact that they follow a particular ideology, just like I can have a guess that a member of the KKK might be a racist?. " I'm not sure the comparison to KKK stands up to scrutiny. Kkk is an extremist organisation. Taring all muslims by the action of IS is surely like judging all Americans by the KKK? | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats. "
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. According to the security services it could well get that way though as this seems to be the next way of maiming people.. A spokesperson on radio 5 yesterday said the UK security forces had stopped at least a dozen similar plans for the UK!. There ordering in more bee suits as well for the expected rise in bee extremism
That doesn't mean anything , not anything substantial. Does it ?
'UK security forces has stopped at least a dozen 'similar' plans for the u.k.
Did someone draw a truck ?
Did someone drive a truck ?
Did someone say I think we should attack the UK ?
Was someone pulled from a truck cos he was eating couscous and sultanas ?"5 people where arrested after communicating with ISIS comanders planning a bombing attack on a shopping center this Christmas. It means they and other arrested will go to court be charged and go to jail. | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week"Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries. Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more. | |||
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"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
"Thanks for the stats...... The original comment suggested that driving trucks into crowds is catching on. I know only of 2. | |||
" It's nothing to do with being 'left' it's about not judging an entire religion by the actions of a small percentage . That's nonsensical, of course I can judge an entire religion, it's a man made concept like the KKK, are you telling me I can't judge the KKK ideology just because they have one or two whackos in it?. . What I can't do is prejudge somebody by colour or creed, that's a ridiculous thing to do, I can of course prejudge somebody who follows catholsim or Buddhism or Islam, you can make educated guesses on the fact that they follow a particular ideology, just like I can have a guess that a member of the KKK might be a racist?. I'm not sure the comparison to KKK stands up to scrutiny. Kkk is an extremist organisation. Taring all muslims by the action of IS is surely like judging all Americans by the KKK?" . The penalty for leaving the KKK is?. The penalty for leaving Islam is?. . Tell me what's extremism if it isn't killing you? | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
"But only a few hundred were killed in Europe and only a few hundred women were sexually assualted by them in Germany Out of a population in Europe of millions, that is an acceptable level of killings and assaults | |||
"Oh and what about the muslims around the world who condemn extremism and IS and far outnumber the extremists. Where do they fit in to your judgemental stance?" I suppose logically you could argue they're just bad muslims. Just like any protestant is a bad christian Heck if christians followed the bible the vicar of dibbly would have been a very differnt show based upon Timothy 2:12. Problem is we all tend to ignore the content of the various religious texts around the world and instead focus on the people who in most cases have never actually read thier own texts and hold them up as "good" examples of the religion. Then get shocked when the belivers who actually follow the texts and have read them find this a reprehensible stance | |||
"ISIS aren't satisfied enough with the fact that they've destroyed Syria and Iraq, now they want to fuck up other countries. There's no way they do this shit for Islam, they've murdered more Muslims than anyone else. They've been found to have sex slaves and have heroin and cocaine and alcohol, which aren't allowed in Islam, so no, it's not an Islamic thing, that's just a front. Fuck knows why they actually do this. " Some elements of the West and Saudi Arabia backed, funded and created the rebels who became ISIS. | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
Thanks for the stats...... The original comment suggested that driving trucks into crowds is catching on. I know only of 2. "It's quite a common attack method, normally though the truck also has a massive amount of explosives in it. Just here thats harder to get so they just use the truck part. The lone wolf style of attack in the west is certainly catching on though. | |||
" It's nothing to do with being 'left' it's about not judging an entire religion by the actions of a small percentage . That's nonsensical, of course I can judge an entire religion, it's a man made concept like the KKK, are you telling me I can't judge the KKK ideology just because they have one or two whackos in it?. . What I can't do is prejudge somebody by colour or creed, that's a ridiculous thing to do, I can of course prejudge somebody who follows catholsim or Buddhism or Islam, you can make educated guesses on the fact that they follow a particular ideology, just like I can have a guess that a member of the KKK might be a racist?. I'm not sure the comparison to KKK stands up to scrutiny. Kkk is an extremist organisation. Taring all muslims by the action of IS is surely like judging all Americans by the KKK?. The penalty for leaving the KKK is?. The penalty for leaving Islam is?. . Tell me what's extremism if it isn't killing you?" Oh please
Is that the best you have? I repeat your analogy of comparing Islam to the KKK is completely flawed | |||
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"We're all going to die. I know that sounds flippant but I'm not going to worry about dying in a terrorist attack in the same way as I don't worry about dying in a car crash, or a train crash or being stabbed on my way home. These things could happen; probably won't and are impossible to predict " Perfect response, worry like a rocking horse, gives you something to do but gets you no where | |||
" 911, the bombing of the American warship in Yemen all predate the middle East policy of regime change, Islamic terror is not a 21 century concept, it predates ww2 even You clearly lack knowledge on the subject. Why don't you do a little research, it's basically history. . No 911 was 2001 and the us warship I think was in 97 they both predate the current policy of middle eastern regime change. Look one of al Qaeda grievances on their list for 911 was the intervention in the genocide in Indonesia, did the west have some terrible policy in selling weapons to Indonesia, sure they did but that's not what al Qaeda was aggrieved about, they were pissed off about the west's intervention in stopping genocide!. . Why don't you get back to me with a counter argument instead of just saying "you lack knowledge"" ...because you choose to ignore historical fact! You want to argue for the sake of arguing as opposed to progress. You said - 911, the bombing of the American warship in Yemen all predate the middle East policy of regime change - and you are completely factually wrong. I understand why you're trying to rewrite history because you feel you don't have a strong enough argument. The fact is I don't have to give you a counter argument if you'd simply do a little reading of the history books and educate yourself. | |||
"Oh and what about the muslims around the world who condemn extremism and IS and far outnumber the extremists. Where do they fit in to your judgemental stance?" . I assume that's to me?. Your confusing religion (the Islamic doctrine) and Muslims somebody who (follows it) everybody follows things in different spectrums, I'm"protestant" but you won't find me in church, my wife's catholic you might find her in church a few times a year, my dad's a Catholic, you'll find him in church quite a bit, my ma goes six times a week... Each of us takes something different from the same set of rules but.... My dad has less empathy than my MA, nothing to do with their religious differences, my ma however is a far more extemist in religion than my dad. It affects everybody differently, most humans ignore the shit rules and follow the half decent ones, that's absolutely true and nobody I think genuinely thinks all Muslims are crazed fanatics,I don't many think it's even the majority,I don't think many people look at the lorry terrorism and judge all Muslims by it, however I think there's a few of us (me included) that realise where that fantascism originates from... The doctrine of Islam. That's not condemning all Muslims that's saying Islam needs to take a good look at its teachings/holy books/elders. . If all religions are the same then surely we should be able to find some evidence for jainists terrorists or Amish ones.... Hindus have hundreds of millions of followers, mostly in poor countries, mostly brown... You just don't see the comparison amount of Hindu extremists flying planes into buildings or cutting off the heads of infidels with penknifes | |||
"Our government will continue to stress the dangers of terrorist attacks and will increase the limits to our freedom in the name of combating islamic extremism. *And at the very same* this government intends to make it even easier for Saudi Arabia to open Wahhabi schools that teach young impressionable boys that non-muslims and Shia muslims are dirt and women are half the value of men." Oh course they are, Saudi Arabia are an extremely influential power in the region. Western powers would rather have them than Shia states such as Iran and Syria. It also helps that Saudi buy a lot of weapons from us, give us the occasional tip off about impending terrorist attacks. The irony is its ultra conservative Islamic institutions in Saudi Arabia who actually fund then Sunni salifists who then go on to blow shit up. The crazy world we live in | |||
" It's nothing to do with being 'left' it's about not judging an entire religion by the actions of a small percentage . That's nonsensical, of course I can judge an entire religion, it's a man made concept like the KKK, are you telling me I can't judge the KKK ideology just because they have one or two whackos in it?. . What I can't do is prejudge somebody by colour or creed, that's a ridiculous thing to do, I can of course prejudge somebody who follows catholsim or Buddhism or Islam, you can make educated guesses on the fact that they follow a particular ideology, just like I can have a guess that a member of the KKK might be a racist?. I'm not sure the comparison to KKK stands up to scrutiny. Kkk is an extremist organisation. Taring all muslims by the action of IS is surely like judging all Americans by the KKK?. The penalty for leaving the KKK is?. The penalty for leaving Islam is?. . Tell me what's extremism if it isn't killing you? Oh please
Is that the best you have? I repeat your analogy of comparing Islam to the KKK is completely flawed". Oh please what!. What's the official punishment for apostasy????? And then tell me what's not fucking extreme about killing people | |||
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"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
"If those numbers are correct then. you'll also find that the greatest numbers of victims are Muslims themselves... So who exactly are the terrorists for and who against? They do more damage to Islam than not. | |||
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" Maybe we should have done that when Germany invaded Poland according to your way of thinking. Not sure it's really the same thing. Realistically you could conclude that the western coalition actually invaded certain oil rich countries and removed their governments? But.... global politics are not so black and white. Cal Muslims are on the march across the world. Mostly they in '3rd world' countries they butcher people for power. 'Our' sort of countries they play the victim whilst slowly bidding their time. Problem we have now is the ultra left even the mainstream left have made it very difficult to point out any problems with anyone other then say the white British race. Look at Fabio. Perfect example on here. Will always blame the 'white' western world for everyone's problems. It's nothing to do with being 'left' it's about not judging an entire religion by the actions of a small percentage " No one is saying an entire religion are terrorist. But to say it is a small percentage maybe true in violent actions but its followers are fanatical about their religion and at the end of the day that's how the vast majority run their lives, by the teachings of a book rather then the laws of the land | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
If those numbers are correct then. you'll also find that the greatest numbers of victims are Muslims themselves... So who exactly are the terrorists for and who against? They do more damage to Islam than not. "The muslims were collateral damage. Just like a few Irish people, unlucky to be in the area, were killed by IRA bombings | |||
" Maybe we should have done that when Germany invaded Poland according to your way of thinking. Not sure it's really the same thing. Realistically you could conclude that the western coalition actually invaded certain oil rich countries and removed their governments? But.... global politics are not so black and white. Cal Muslims are on the march across the world. Mostly they in '3rd world' countries they butcher people for power. 'Our' sort of countries they play the victim whilst slowly bidding their time. Problem we have now is the ultra left even the mainstream left have made it very difficult to point out any problems with anyone other then say the white British race. Look at Fabio. Perfect example on here. Will always blame the 'white' western world for everyone's problems. It's nothing to do with being 'left' it's about not judging an entire religion by the actions of a small percentage No one is saying an entire religion are terrorist. But to say it is a small percentage maybe true in violent actions but its followers are fanatical about their religion and at the end of the day that's how the vast majority run their lives, by the teachings of a book rather then the laws of the land" So you my friend have met the vast majority of muslims to be able to categorically say that? Lmao. Would love to know how many interactions and discussions with Muslims have led you to that conclusion. People who make sweeping statements like that have usually only met an one Muslim in their life and they're a shop keeper selling alcohol and paying taxes to the government! Its actually a tenet of Islam that one must aside by the laws of the land that one resides in! | |||
"The other thing on the News was not much CCTV to check due to their privacy laws. Maybe our privacy laws are not as bad as some people think, some see it as big brother, some see it as trying to keep us all safe" Yes they are, what purpose do the other gov departments need With mass surveillance? The security services I understand to a point. But what the fuck does the DWP need to know what emails you've sent or what porn you've been watching? | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
If those numbers are correct then. you'll also find that the greatest numbers of victims are Muslims themselves... So who exactly are the terrorists for and who against? They do more damage to Islam than not.
The muslims were collateral damage. Just like a few Irish people, unlucky to be in the area, were killed by IRA bombings"Seriously? Collateral damage? Must be the most inefficient terrorist organisation in the world then, given their ability to kill more of their 'own' than the 'enemy'! | |||
"This is why multiculturism doesnt work." Multiculturalism doesn't work because people see labels not humans. Muslim. White. Christian. Homosexual. Them. Us. Black. Him. Foreigner. Protestant. The list is endless. We are all the reason multiculturalism doesn't work. | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
If those numbers are correct then. you'll also find that the greatest numbers of victims are Muslims themselves... So who exactly are the terrorists for and who against? They do more damage to Islam than not.
The muslims were collateral damage. Just like a few Irish people, unlucky to be in the area, were killed by IRA bombings
Seriously? Collateral damage? Must be the most inefficient terrorist organisation in the world then, given their ability to kill more of their 'own' than the 'enemy'!
"They are [ inefficient ] And the fact that there are a lot more Middle-Eastern people in Europe and North America than there are Europeans in the middle-east. Most Middle-Eastern people are Muslims and most European people are Christians | |||
". The muslims were collateral damage. Just like a few Irish people, unlucky to be in the area, were killed by IRA bombings" . Technically we were all British but with different faiths | |||
"This is why multiculturism doesnt work. Multiculturalism doesn't work because people see labels not humans. Muslim. White. Christian. Homosexual. Them. Us. Black. Him. Foreigner. Protestant. The list is endless. We are all the reason multiculturalism doesn't work." That is right. I meant more between the western world and the arab nation, we are more civilised and have more peaceful religion and the difference is to much to mix. | |||
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"This is why multiculturism doesnt work. Multiculturalism doesn't work because people see labels not humans. Muslim. White. Christian. Homosexual. Them. Us. Black. Him. Foreigner. Protestant. The list is endless. We are all the reason multiculturalism doesn't work.That is right. I meant more between the western world and the arab nation, we are more civilised and have more peaceful religion and the difference is to much to mix." . It's got nothing to do with race, half of Africa aren't Arabs, there's plenty of white Muslims... It's got everything to do with culture and indoctrination of ideology | |||
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" Maybe we should have done that when Germany invaded Poland according to your way of thinking. Not sure it's really the same thing. Realistically you could conclude that the western coalition actually invaded certain oil rich countries and removed their governments? But.... global politics are not so black and white. Cal Muslims are on the march across the world. Mostly they in '3rd world' countries they butcher people for power. 'Our' sort of countries they play the victim whilst slowly bidding their time. Problem we have now is the ultra left even the mainstream left have made it very difficult to point out any problems with anyone other then say the white British race. Look at Fabio. Perfect example on here. Will always blame the 'white' western world for everyone's problems. It's nothing to do with being 'left' it's about not judging an entire religion by the actions of a small percentage No one is saying an entire religion are terrorist. But to say it is a small percentage maybe true in violent actions but its followers are fanatical about their religion and at the end of the day that's how the vast majority run their lives, by the teachings of a book rather then the laws of the land So you my friend have met the vast majority of muslims to be able to categorically say that? Lmao. Would love to know how many interactions and discussions with Muslims have led you to that conclusion. People who make sweeping statements like that have usually only met an one Muslim in their life and they're a shop keeper selling alcohol and paying taxes to the government! Its actually a tenet of Islam that one must aside by the laws of the land that one resides in! " Have you not done the same ? Have you met them all ? Bit of sterotyping going on prosuming they are all shop keepers. Awful thing to say. Islam means 'to surrender' Unfortunately we have a major world problem going on. Only one race/religion is causing it Sam. We can't should lone wolf forever | |||
"The other thing on the News was not much CCTV to check due to their privacy laws. Maybe our privacy laws are not as bad as some people think, some see it as big brother, some see it as trying to keep us all safe Yes they are, what purpose do the other gov departments need With mass surveillance? The security services I understand to a point. But what the fuck does the DWP need to know what emails you've sent or what porn you've been watching? " Thats the second one today I read wrong...not a clue why the DWP would want to read your E-mails or see what porn you watch | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
If those numbers are correct then. you'll also find that the greatest numbers of victims are Muslims themselves... So who exactly are the terrorists for and who against? They do more damage to Islam than not. "They're all for thier religion. Or at least thier sect. Much like you'll know from the UKs history Christians used to frequently kill each other over who was the right kind of christians (Those numbers are all actually rounded down btw) | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
If those numbers are correct then. you'll also find that the greatest numbers of victims are Muslims themselves... So who exactly are the terrorists for and who against? They do more damage to Islam than not.
The muslims were collateral damage. Just like a few Irish people, unlucky to be in the area, were killed by IRA bombings"No they are the intended target in most cases. There is a large scale genocide being waged between sunni and shia trying to wipe out the other. | |||
"The other thing on the News was not much CCTV to check due to their privacy laws. Maybe our privacy laws are not as bad as some people think, some see it as big brother, some see it as trying to keep us all safe Yes they are, what purpose do the other gov departments need With mass surveillance? The security services I understand to a point. But what the fuck does the DWP need to know what emails you've sent or what porn you've been watching? Thats the second one today I read wrong...not a clue why the DWP would want to read your E-mails or see what porn you watch " Dwp is actually one of the poorer examples as its easily answered by "Checking people on jsa are actually applyibg for jobs online as they claim in thier diaries" But that really isnt a serious enpugh comcern to warrent acess to the list | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
If those numbers are correct then. you'll also find that the greatest numbers of victims are Muslims themselves... So who exactly are the terrorists for and who against? They do more damage to Islam than not.
The muslims were collateral damage. Just like a few Irish people, unlucky to be in the area, were killed by IRA bombings
No they are the intended target in most cases.
There is a large scale genocide being waged between sunni and shia trying to wipe out the other."Both _iew the other as non-Muslim | |||
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"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
If those numbers are correct then. you'll also find that the greatest numbers of victims are Muslims themselves... So who exactly are the terrorists for and who against? They do more damage to Islam than not.
The muslims were collateral damage. Just like a few Irish people, unlucky to be in the area, were killed by IRA bombings
No they are the intended target in most cases.
There is a large scale genocide being waged between sunni and shia trying to wipe out the other.
Both _iew the other as non-Muslim". Worse than being non Muslim is being the wrong type of Muslim, your an apostate in effect.... Hence morally slaughterable | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
If those numbers are correct then. you'll also find that the greatest numbers of victims are Muslims themselves... So who exactly are the terrorists for and who against? They do more damage to Islam than not.
The muslims were collateral damage. Just like a few Irish people, unlucky to be in the area, were killed by IRA bombings
No they are the intended target in most cases.
There is a large scale genocide being waged between sunni and shia trying to wipe out the other.
Both _iew the other as non-Muslim"But you just described them as collateral damage. They are not they are the targets | |||
" Because scapegoating of muslims suits the purposes of the new far-right in the UK, .. I get that, but if peple want to discuss this subject, even in reasoned arguments they are labelled bigots/ ignorant and intolerant, how is that any better. Disclaimer, I am aware there are bigots out there too I don't think they are, to be honest. I'm not a fan of organised religion, myself. It's a percieved threat of the "political correctness gone mad" brigade. . So nobody should do anything about it?.... It's less people than bee stings, stop being such a racist/bigot/xenophobe.... They've been bombed, white people have pillaged them... . . What utter fucking bollocks, describing the religion of Islam as peaceful or nice to women and gays is like saying Jimmy savile...A man of charity... Course he was, did loads for charity, stop saying anything about his misdermeanours with children...look over here , look at the hospitals he helped, look at the nice things... Don't look there, that's Jimmy molesting young girls, yes I know it's bad, I know his whole philosophy is fucking wicked.... Just look at the good things he did, think of the comfort that he brought to dying people in hospital. . Do me fucking favour, Islam is a fucking god awful piece of shit religion, it's akin to Scientology for its cult status and Catholicism for its Barbary. . This justification of death is so fucking liberal.... Oh those poor Catholics in northern Ireland,I can see why there killing children now... It all makes fucking sense. . 15% of the world are fucking nuts, you can see that here on the forums on a daily basis.... Now imagine that 15% being indoctrinated with the philosophy of Nazism or the BNP the KKK what do you think the outcome would be?. Not good I'm presuming, you'd imagine a substantial amount would go on to commit crimes of murder and mayhem..... But not one of you dare say anything bad about the BNP or Nazism or the KKK... No, it's not the ideology of the group causing it, it's just crazy individuals who HAPPEN to be KKK members..... It's just pure chance, stop being so racist saying the ideology of the KKK are crazy and RACIST. " Someone is in a bad mood! | |||
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"The Germans are really struggling because they don't have the same cctv coverage that we have on the streets. If they did they would probably have got the bloke within minutes " The simple addition of a baseball cap and scarf would render identification impossible but I suppose they would know which direction he fled before disappearing. However it might have made it a bit quicker to eliminate the first guy arrested as a suspect. | |||
"I'm watching the news this morning. What I find scary is the lack of action against this guy considering the amount of intel they had on him. I only hope our intelligence services are more effective than the Germans. It seems to me these deaths could have been prevented with the correct intervention." I have heard it said that the German security services aren't on the same level as ours, in terms of the powers they have. Apparently due to the history of abusive regimes (Nazi SS and East German Stasi). So it makes you think about the price we pay for security. | |||
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"You cannot counter an ideological practise with bullets, ideas can only be brought down by a better argument. As the great Christopher Hitchins once said show me the society that threw off the shackles of religion and idolisim and taught there children instead the teachings of Democritus, Plato, Jefferson, Einstein, Darwin, Buddha, Voltaire, Descartess and confucious.... Show me that society that feel into the abyss of despair and I'll give up this crusade agaist theocracy " | |||
"Catching on ? This is the second one i've heard of. One in Nice and one in Berlin. It's far from trivial but neither is it prolific. I'm more likely to be beaten by a pensioner according to recent crime stats.
Absolutely; it doesn't happen every day or even, once a week
Err actually in 2016 there have been on average 6.6 islamic terror attacks a day (over 2,000) apread over 56 countries.
Killing more than 20,000 people and wounding over 20,000 more.
If those numbers are correct then. you'll also find that the greatest numbers of victims are Muslims themselves... So who exactly are the terrorists for and who against? They do more damage to Islam than not.
The muslims were collateral damage. Just like a few Irish people, unlucky to be in the area, were killed by IRA bombings
No they are the intended target in most cases.
There is a large scale genocide being waged between sunni and shia trying to wipe out the other.
Both _iew the other as non-Muslim
But you just described them as collateral damage.
They are not they are the targets"Those who are Sunni (killed by Sunni) or Shia (killed by Shia) are collateral dammage Do I need to get the above approved by an attorney first before hitting 'post message' | |||
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"Anyone find it strange someone would leave their ID (or even carry it on them in the 1st place) if they was going to commit any sort of act like this? " In Germany, we have ID cards which we must carry with us at all times He would have carried it just in case he was stopped by the Police for an ID check BEFORE he hijacked the lorry and killed the driver I find nothing strange about that | |||
" Has Germany had much involvement in the middle east? well since the suspect they are looking for is tunisian.... someones geography is off....
anyway..... likelyhood is that if we have some sort of attack... it will be committed by someone homegrown....... like in the jo cox mudrer
Well he said the statistic depended ona countries involvement in the middle east not me.
But he would make a good point there given the meddling around mecca is commonly cited as justification for attacks on t b e west.
It's western folly, this idea that don't say anything, don't print pictures of Mohammed, don't dress too provocatively... It's nonsense, third on al qaedas list of grievances for 911 was the stopping off genocide in Indonesia!!!!!.
Don't make me fucking laugh with these dreamt up justifications by liberal Wally's with no idea what the talking about.
They don't like us, they don't like our way of life, they don't like our science, they don't like our medicine, clothing, culture, dress... Nothing?.
Do not make the mistake of pacifism will stop them from thinking bad of you."Yep. I couldn't be arsed going any further down the thread reading justification after justification, so that comment just suits me fine. | |||
" Has Germany had much involvement in the middle east? well since the suspect they are looking for is tunisian.... someones geography is off....
anyway..... likelyhood is that if we have some sort of attack... it will be committed by someone homegrown....... like in the jo cox mudrer "yup i agree with u.media/ government want you to think some sort of great threat of terrorists are coming from an invaded country when really all supposed Muslim type attacks in the uk are from British citizens raised here that are fed up/ resent life so act out when the are givin a fales cause to make themselves feel important.not much different than Christian white guys and school shootings in America that has went on for decades but countries rich in natural resources cant be blamed for that so its not spoken about much. | |||
"Anyone find it strange someone would leave their ID (or even carry it on them in the 1st place) if they was going to commit any sort of act like this? " it does seem to be a trend dosent it.like when the 911 hijackers passport was found in the wreckage area of the towers. | |||
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"Two things briefly if I may: Firstly multiculturalism CAN work where immigrants seek to add to the community and integrate. The Chinese, Vietnamese, many West Indians, Indians and Pakistanis have added so much to Britain. It doesn't work where immigrants seek to change the country. Secondly, the delicious irony that we are all members of a swinging website and that those seeking to justify the teachings of Islam will be stoned to death just as quickly as the rest of us! " No. Quicker. | |||
"Anyone find it strange someone would leave their ID (or even carry it on them in the 1st place) if they was going to commit any sort of act like this? " Yes. I heard it on the news this morning and did wonder if it was dropped or planted. | |||
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"Anyone find it strange someone would leave their ID (or even carry it on them in the 1st place) if they was going to commit any sort of act like this? Yes. I heard it on the news this morning and did wonder if it was dropped or planted. " this happened at the paris attack...and it ended up we were told there was suspects already, known conspirators/terrorists We are told these details a few weeks after most events, so MI5 etc...must be doing a really shit job or I'm reading things wrong. I do not think these people are reflective of religion or cultures, they are paid mercenaries(this can be researched more IF needed) I will continue to do my life with muslim or christian people, with no fear. | |||
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"I'm watching the news this morning. What I find scary is the lack of action against this guy considering the amount of intel they had on him. " It sometimes serves government interests to keep the fear going. How else is it possible to control a population? | |||
