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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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I have a lad who bought a 2014 transit, new for £15k and came to sell it as he needed something smaller. He couldn't get £4k for it this summer. Average offers were £3.5k and it was well maintained with low mileage. They devalue massively due to the amount produced so look around and barter hard. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i assisted a past partner convert a lwb sprinter - plenty of spce - full bed - kitchen area and wetroom for loo shower and small sink - bed area converted back to two bench sofas and a table - |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personal preference is the transit, I have a 2007 lwb and find its much better on fuel than the sprinter.
Space wise? Both about the same with plenty of options to build upon. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is only one choice when it comes to a van and that is the original and best, the Ford Transit - It is the van all other manufacturers are trying to beat.
Think about it, how do we usually refer to a vacuum cleaner? We call it a Hoover - which was a particular brand.
If you're going to hire a van, regardless of manufacturer, you're after a Transit.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Peugeot or Citroën vans are ment to be good as they are a full 6' wide at bed height. Ours is a jumbo transit as that's what came up cheap and we have most things we want in there."
Do not listen to this guy lol..
Im telling ya French anything is shit..My mate
wAs a Peugeot master tech and he hated them..
I'd buy a Toyota if you don't want aggro but a sprinter rusts and tranny's have weak engine's..
Not like the old days  |
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"The Peugeot or Citroën vans are ment to be good as they are a full 6' wide at bed height. Ours is a jumbo transit as that's what came up cheap and we have most things we want in there.
Do not listen to this guy lol..
Im telling ya French anything is shit..My mate
wAs a Peugeot master tech and he hated them..
I'd buy a Toyota if you don't want aggro but a sprinter rusts and tranny's have weak engine's..
Not like the old days "
and the fuel pump on the diesels is over a grand to replace clutch is not to good ether |
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"The Peugeot or Citroën vans are ment to be good as they are a full 6' wide at bed height. Ours is a jumbo transit as that's what came up cheap and we have most things we want in there.
Do not listen to this guy lol..
Im telling ya French anything is shit..My mate
wAs a Peugeot master tech and he hated them..
I'd buy a Toyota if you don't want aggro but a sprinter rusts and tranny's have weak engine's..
Not like the old days "
Haha I can't argue with anything you say I had a Peugeot car and got rid in less than 2 weeks I was just saying they are wide which is why so many professional converters start with them. |
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VW transporter are the default for camper vans.
Because of this there is a massive industry for all the fittings you will need and lots of competition to keep the prices low.
They are also easy to sell and hold their value
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would go down the Transit route personally. They are going to be a lot cheaper to fix when there's a problem.
I remember seeing a video about newer sprinters having problems with leisure batteries, as they have computerised diagnostics. Meaning your leisure batteries have to be completely separate to any existing electrical system. Whether or not there are easy workarounds, I wouldn't know. |
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Depending how much you going to use it transit you haven't got the reliability that you used to have with them even down to cost in parts for them sprinters more reliable but more costly and as previously stated the vw t4 and t5 the van of choice with plenty of off the shelf kits available plus super reliable it's just finding a decent one for the right mileage I wouldn't be to bothered bout mileage on these as long as you got some good service history with it but what ever you decide in have fun with it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Depending how much you going to use it transit you haven't got the reliability that you used to have with them even down to cost in parts for them sprinters more reliable but more costly and as previously stated the vw t4 and t5 the van of choice with plenty of off the shelf kits available plus super reliable it's just finding a decent one for the right mileage I wouldn't be to bothered bout mileage on these as long as you got some good service history with it but what ever you decide in have fun with it "
If she's looking at lwb high tops, Transporters aren't going to be big enough. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sprinter every time, drives car like and pulls like a train, we have three, swb and mwb two have completed 200.000 miles without any engine issues the other is a motorhome. We also own a transit, when you drive for a few hours you know when your in a transit, not so cheap and definatley not cheerful..lol. Go for a sprinter . |
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"im about to by a van to convert into a camper .. cant decided which one..have about 5 grand looking at hi roof LWB vans ideally ..any feedback from mechanically minded types gratefully received"
Mercedes sprinter with service history !!!
Good for 250k plus millage and reliable |
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"Personal preference is the transit, I have a 2007 lwb and find its much better on fuel than the sprinter.
Space wise? Both about the same with plenty of options to build upon."
and not sure but spares for transit may be cheaper ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"im about to by a van to convert into a camper .. cant decided which one..have about 5 grand looking at hi roof LWB vans ideally ..any feedback from mechanically minded types gratefully received
Mercedes sprinter with service history !!!
Good for 250k plus millage and reliable "
My mate has just got a mk7 transit torneo on a 60 plate done a low 170k miles and it's actually a Brahma..His old 06 torneo had nearly 700k miles up it..Yes seven hundred thousand..That's how good they are..It's the pumps that fuck up but done they can do huge miles..
A transporter is good but like for like year wise about double the value of a tranny |
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By *arrasicMan
over a year ago
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"I have a lad who bought a 2014 transit, new for £15k and came to sell it as he needed something smaller. He couldn't get £4k for it this summer. Average offers were £3.5k and it was well maintained with low mileage. They devalue massively due to the amount produced so look around and barter hard. "
Well it's got to be a 2014 transit for 4 grand if that's what that going for already lost there value so bargain |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Transit for economy and choice of body types due to popularity, miss the sprinter and go to Iveco if you want to go large, avoid VW T4/T5 like the plague as double the price of everything else due to scene tax (and not that good as people who own them think especially the T5 )...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There's a lot of shit flying around on this thread lol, go for the Mercedes, a far better machine than any crappy alternative, IMO...
Plus all these rust comments shows people don't know anything as I'm 99% sure Mercs are fully galvanised now?!
Just saying, Harry |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There's a lot of shit flying around on this thread lol, go for the Mercedes, a far better machine than any crappy alternative, IMO...
Plus all these rust comments shows people don't know anything as I'm 99% sure Mercs are fully galvanised now?!
Just saying, Harry"
Yaaaaawn Merc's were rusty shit..Like the replies on here.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's a lot of shit flying around on this thread lol, go for the Mercedes, a far better machine than any crappy alternative, IMO...
Plus all these rust comments shows people don't know anything as I'm 99% sure Mercs are fully galvanised now?!
Just saying, Harry
Yaaaaawn Merc's were rusty shit..Like the replies on here.
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I agree WERE; they are no longer... |
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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago
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"im about to by a van to convert into a camper .. cant decided which one..have about 5 grand looking at hi roof LWB vans ideally ..any feedback from mechanically minded types gratefully received"
Sprinter if you can find a un abused model Or go for a VW crafter
If transit more your thing
Get a 2.4 rwd model
And don't forget to make sure the gas system meets the gas safety regs for leisure accommodation vehicles, if not this may prove it difficult to insure once converted  |
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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago
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"Our insurers never asked anything about gas - or very much in fact. They just wanted to see the log book."
More and more insurance underwriters are asking for a gas safety certificate for the conversation, and any site you stop on can ask to it to this has stemmed from more people doing home concersions and the increased risk from carbon monoxide poisoning |
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"Depending how much you going to use it transit you haven't got the reliability that you used to have with them even down to cost in parts for them sprinters more reliable but more costly and as previously stated the vw t4 and t5 the van of choice with plenty of off the shelf kits available plus super reliable it's just finding a decent one for the right mileage I wouldn't be to bothered bout mileage on these as long as you got some good service history with it but what ever you decide in have fun with it
If she's looking at lwb high tops, Transporters aren't going to be big enough."
yes and i dont even like them. too small and i think theyre over priced/rated..they just dont appeal to me i want a bit of room . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There is only one choice when it comes to a van and that is the original and best, the Ford Transit - It is the van all other manufacturers are trying to beat.
Think about it, how do we usually refer to a vacuum cleaner? We call it a Hoover - which was a particular brand.
If you're going to hire a van, regardless of manufacturer, you're after a Transit.
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really are you sure about this I use a Ford at work we have 15 vans all of them ford's and each one breaks down regularly each year total shite Mercedes are far superior |
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"Mk6 transit di engine stay away from the dtci ones.
my transit always starts and runs fully carpeted for dogging meets "
hopefully i'll be having some fun in mine to ..a workmate said dont get anything after 06 ,is that what for the same reason ? |
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"Reading some of the replies you got, my advice would be to go and post your question on a motorhome self build forum ather than a swingers forum!
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i just wanted some advice on which is the better van from a mechanical point if view but thanks |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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The main consideration is RWD or FWB van. I know they did the transit in both, do depends on which model/year/weight you are going for. The FWD vans have a lower floor in the back, such as the Fiat Ducato / Renault Master. The RWD vans (e.g. Iveco Daily, Merc Sprinter) generally go to higher gross weight and better at towing. So depends on what you are after. Be aware that the RWD vans are heavier so have less usable payload for the conversion. Also there are far more 3rd party parts for converting the Fiat Duactos that the Dailys etc.
As for the conversion itself, go search for the SBMCC... a great forum to join for this stuff.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Our insurers never asked anything about gas - or very much in fact. They just wanted to see the log book.
More and more insurance underwriters are asking for a gas safety certificate for the conversation, and any site you stop on can ask to it to this has stemmed from more people doing home concersions and the increased risk from carbon monoxide poisoning "
Have you ever been asked?
The last time I saw this suggested the consensus was that it was baloney. |
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"Reading some of the replies you got, my advice would be to go and post your question on a motorhome self build forum ather than a swingers forum!
i just wanted some advice on which is the better van from a mechanical point if view but thanks "
Whispers again transit |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reading some of the replies you got, my advice would be to go and post your question on a motorhome self build forum ather than a swingers forum!
i just wanted some advice on which is the better van from a mechanical point if view but thanks
Whispers again transit "
van or engine? |
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"Mk6 transit di engine stay away from the dtci ones.
my transit always starts and runs fully carpeted for dogging meets "
Nothing wrong with the tdci. The problems are caused by them not being used for what they was intended and not being looked after it properly serviced. The older tddi will take the abuse better because it doesn't have to comply to the same legislation as the newer tdci which has better bhp mpg and all together a much smoother package but as with all modern diesel the dpf is the downfall. Looked after and in regular used it's a far superior to the tddi. Ditch the dpf and remap and it will serve you well |
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"Reading some of the replies you got, my advice would be to go and post your question on a motorhome self build forum ather than a swingers forum!
i just wanted some advice on which is the better van from a mechanical point if view but thanks
Whispers again transit
van or engine?"
Both |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reading some of the replies you got, my advice would be to go and post your question on a motorhome self build forum ather than a swingers forum!
i just wanted some advice on which is the better van from a mechanical point if view but thanks
Whispers again transit
van or engine?
Both"
ah well, we got part a good van then |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wonder why most motor home manufacturers choose to build on Fiat ??
Because they are cheap for them to buy!!!
When they are out of warranty and need work let the owner pay for it !!!!"
Dont agree with that i had a 2010 fiat ducato at work with over 290,000 on it and only had regular servicing
My vote is the fiat/peugeot/citroen |
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"Wonder why most motor home manufacturers choose to build on Fiat ??
Because they are cheap for them to buy!!!
When they are out of warranty and need work let the owner pay for it !!!!
Dont agree with that i had a 2010 fiat ducato at work with over 290,000 on it and only had regular servicing
My vote is the fiat/peugeot/citroen"
All diesel should be able to cover that though with proper maintenance and use. Where you3 fail is general build quality and lack of thought in design. They are let down with bad ideas that save penny's in manufacturing. You buy cheap you get cheap but that's just my opinion and more often then not make me a nice wage so long may they churn them out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Instagram is good for having a nosey at what others have done.
The best conversions I've seen have been Sprinters and the best of all was a Fiat Ducato. That's no indication of the quality of the base vehicle but the bit you sleep in is important too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There is only one choice when it comes to a van and that is the original and best, the Ford Transit - It is the van all other manufacturers are trying to beat.
Think about it, how do we usually refer to a vacuum cleaner? We call it a Hoover - which was a particular brand.
If you're going to hire a van, regardless of manufacturer, you're after a Transit.
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Aren't Dysons better than Hoovers these days though? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There is only one choice when it comes to a van and that is the original and best, the Ford Transit - It is the van all other manufacturers are trying to beat.
Think about it, how do we usually refer to a vacuum cleaner? We call it a Hoover - which was a particular brand.
If you're going to hire a van, regardless of manufacturer, you're after a Transit.
Aren't Dysons better than Hoovers these days though?"
It's a terrible analogy anyway because if you say 'camper' people only think of one van. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Vivaro van, doesn't rot like a transit will.
Had issues with my old Mercedes van. A design flaw in the engines on most of them mean the glow plug with carode and break in the cylinder head. You only know when when warning like for glow plugs comes on. It requires the head to be re coiled or worse taken out and machined. Also it rotted too.
Transporter is good but ££££ |
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"Instagram is good for having a nosey at what others have done.
The best conversions I've seen have been Sprinters and the best of all was a Fiat Ducato. That's no indication of the quality of the base vehicle but the bit you sleep in is important too."
My comments was about a van. I've no idea about conversions. Hadn't realised that was the intention  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Instagram is good for having a nosey at what others have done.
The best conversions I've seen have been Sprinters and the best of all was a Fiat Ducato. That's no indication of the quality of the base vehicle but the bit you sleep in is important too.
My comments was about a van. I've no idea about conversions. Hadn't realised that was the intention "
Focus on the suspension... and not too much rust on the floor |
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"Vivaro van, doesn't rot like a transit will.
Had issues with my old Mercedes van. A design flaw in the engines on most of them mean the glow plug with carode and break in the cylinder head. You only know when when warning like for glow plugs comes on. It requires the head to be re coiled or worse taken out and machined. Also it rotted too.
Transporter is good but ££££"
I agree the transport is the best built but a vivaros better than a transit. I want some of what your smoking |
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"Instagram is good for having a nosey at what others have done.
The best conversions I've seen have been Sprinters and the best of all was a Fiat Ducato. That's no indication of the quality of the base vehicle but the bit you sleep in is important too.
My comments was about a van. I've no idea about conversions. Hadn't realised that was the intention
Focus on the suspension... and not too much rust on the floor "
Wax oil is your friend |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Instagram is good for having a nosey at what others have done.
The best conversions I've seen have been Sprinters and the best of all was a Fiat Ducato. That's no indication of the quality of the base vehicle but the bit you sleep in is important too.
My comments was about a van. I've no idea about conversions. Hadn't realised that was the intention
Focus on the suspension... and not too much rust on the floor
Wax oil is your friend "
We're fully loaded & ready to go with that (when it's less chilly) |
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"Instagram is good for having a nosey at what others have done.
The best conversions I've seen have been Sprinters and the best of all was a Fiat Ducato. That's no indication of the quality of the base vehicle but the bit you sleep in is important too.
My comments was about a van. I've no idea about conversions. Hadn't realised that was the intention
Focus on the suspension... and not too much rust on the floor
Wax oil is your friend
We're fully loaded & ready to go with that (when it's less chilly)"
Rather you than me |
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All vans have the good and bad points, rust, weak engines, fuel pumps, clutchs etc etc.
Any thing will rust, you can blow any engine, burn out any clutch and a fuel pump may or may not go at any time.
My advice would be, pick a van and find a good one, have a good look around it, even if you havnt got a clue you can spot obvious things like rust, badly repaired accident damage, dents etc, try to have s look underneath aswell if possible. Take the van for a test drive, go through the gears, listen to the engine and keep an eye out for clouds of black smoke. Have a look through service history aswell. |
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"Reading some of the replies you got, my advice would be to go and post your question on a motorhome self build forum ather than a swingers forum!
i just wanted some advice on which is the better van from a mechanical point if view but thanks
Whispers again transit
van or engine?"
i dont care too much on the rest of it, as long as the engines reliable .. and it doesnt leak when it rains..like my expert does |
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"VW transporter are the default for camper vans.
Because of this there is a massive industry for all the fittings you will need and lots of competition to keep the prices low.
They are also easy to sell and hold their value
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too small 4 me .. need some room inside |
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think ive found the van ..
Ford Transit 135 T 430 ELWB ex police van for for £4500 .. with 104000 miles and a 3 month warranty
seems to be just what im looking for and being a transit any parts should be cheaper than a Mercedes ..also a rwd which someone on here said was a good thing .. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Transit. Sprinters just rot.
Mate I've got a transit here that needs Lazarus or a fuckin welder "
Me too my transit is crap but sprinters are also poor on rust, had a brand new transporter t5, it went well and refused to rust even when scratched down to the metal... it did start to fall apart a bit though, various bit's of trim and things like the cap on the gearstick... stupid main dealer prices at vw. I'm an engineer so find it easier to fix mechanical bits than rust. |
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By *ofakindCouple
over a year ago
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I drive a lwb sprinter for work, the other vans are all mwb none have rusted even work horses after 6 or 8 years... The new transits seem quicker but for the way mine drives, the annual service, it hasn't needed anything apart from compressor parts which is part of the job I do |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Vivaro van, doesn't rot like a transit will.
Had issues with my old Mercedes van. A design flaw in the engines on most of them mean the glow plug with carode and break in the cylinder head. You only know when when warning like for glow plugs comes on. It requires the head to be re coiled or worse taken out and machined. Also it rotted too.
Transporter is good but ££££"
Vivaria are great..I've had loads but they do AVE a shit engine & box..
The gearbox is a car spec thing and can't hack it.,intact the old 5 speed us better than the 6
Gonna show my hand now and declare I'm in the van game and have for the last 20 years been involved in selling commercial vehicles so I know exactly what is and isn't a load a shite |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Vivaro van, doesn't rot like a transit will.
Had issues with my old Mercedes van. A design flaw in the engines on most of them mean the glow plug with carode and break in the cylinder head. You only know when when warning like for glow plugs comes on. It requires the head to be re coiled or worse taken out and machined. Also it rotted too.
Transporter is good but ££££
Vivaria are great..I've had loads but they do AVE a shit engine & box..
The gearbox is a car spec thing and can't hack it.,intact the old 5 speed us better than the 6
Gonna show my hand now and declare I'm in the van game and have for the last 20 years been involved in selling commercial vehicles so I know exactly what is and isn't a load a shite "
Same here but only 10 ish years. Never had any gearbox or engine issues on vivaros.
The boss hates them tho, we only ever get them back to service.. nothing goes wrong.
However the transits over the years we have had alsorts go wrong.
Not had that much over the new merc's. We dont seem to ever get demand for them.
There is a reason our local plod and post office use vivaros now and not transits |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Vivaro van, doesn't rot like a transit will.
Had issues with my old Mercedes van. A design flaw in the engines on most of them mean the glow plug with carode and break in the cylinder head. You only know when when warning like for glow plugs comes on. It requires the head to be re coiled or worse taken out and machined. Also it rotted too.
Transporter is good but ££££
Vivaria are great..I've had loads but they do AVE a shit engine & box..
The gearbox is a car spec thing and can't hack it.,intact the old 5 speed us better than the 6
Gonna show my hand now and declare I'm in the van game and have for the last 20 years been involved in selling commercial vehicles so I know exactly what is and isn't a load a shite
Same here but only 10 ish years. Never had any gearbox or engine issues on vivaros.
The boss hates them tho, we only ever get them back to service.. nothing goes wrong.
However the transits over the years we have had alsorts go wrong.
Not had that much over the new merc's. We dont seem to ever get demand for them.
There is a reason our local plod and post office use vivaros now and not transits "
Yours might use vvaros..Ours use tranny's..
Vivaros primastars & traffics are made in the same factory with a Laguna gearbox.
If you don't carry weight the box lasts longer but they are prone to engine & transmission doom..Just look on eBay how many under 2 grand are fucked .. Loads and he owners can't afford to fix them..They buy a 2 grand van that fucks up then it needs £1500 spending to fix the bastard
Tbh I'm getting more into classic cars these days than vans as they fuck up and cost fortunes to repair |
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"Vivaro van, doesn't rot like a transit will.
Had issues with my old Mercedes van. A design flaw in the engines on most of them mean the glow plug with carode and break in the cylinder head. You only know when when warning like for glow plugs comes on. It requires the head to be re coiled or worse taken out and machined. Also it rotted too.
Transporter is good but ££££
Vivaria are great..I've had loads but they do AVE a shit engine & box..
The gearbox is a car spec thing and can't hack it.,intact the old 5 speed us better than the 6
Gonna show my hand now and declare I'm in the van game and have for the last 20 years been involved in selling commercial vehicles so I know exactly what is and isn't a load a shite
Same here but only 10 ish years. Never had any gearbox or engine issues on vivaros.
The boss hates them tho, we only ever get them back to service.. nothing goes wrong.
However the transits over the years we have had alsorts go wrong.
Not had that much over the new merc's. We dont seem to ever get demand for them.
There is a reason our local plod and post office use vivaros now and not transits
Yours might use vvaros..Ours use tranny's..
Vivaros primastars & traffics are made in the same factory with a Laguna gearbox.
If you don't carry weight the box lasts longer but they are prone to engine & transmission doom..Just look on eBay how many under 2 grand are fucked .. Loads and he owners can't afford to fix them..They buy a 2 grand van that fucks up then it needs £1500 spending to fix the bastard
Tbh I'm getting more into classic cars these days than vans as they fuck up and cost fortunes to repair"
thanks for the in depth advice |
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I did 186 000 miles in a transit and never had a minuets trouble with it . Other than the obvious , new brakes , tyres etc ware and Tare , mechanically it never let me down . Had a Vito before that (not a sprinter but merc non the less) broke down every other month after 70 000 . Give me a transit any day of the week |
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