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"I disagree, I don't have to respect everyone, just because they are people." You should respect everyone until they give you a reason not to!!!! | |||
Some people are just trolls op. Their mouths more open than their minds.
I didn't see the thread in question, however I've seen many over the years here that leave me somewhat saddened by the way some think. I've even at times been publicly singled out and insulted.
I'm sorry to say that such statements will forever pop up. Ignore and dont give them any reaction is my _iew now. | |||
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"We all have different thoughts on what respect means to us. I believe courtesy is given. Respect is earned. Everyone deserves courtesy, general politeness and consideration. Respecting someone that is something I believe is earned. " Yes, I agree with this | |||
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"The problem with the word respect is it has two meanings 1. Having a deep admiration for someone's qualities or abilities etc 2. Having appropriate regard for another's feelings, rights or wishes 1 is earned 2 Should be a given" | |||
"I think there is a basic respect that one affords to everyone and then there is conditional respect that is earned. "Treat others as you would wish to be treated" covers the first one. You don't have to do more than that. You can only earn the respect of those who witness your deeds or come to know you. What one person respects and values is not always going to be same as someone else's values. " As an aside, sorry OP about what was said. I learnt a long time ago that people won't always show you the basic respect - you just have to move on. | |||
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"I think there is a basic respect that one affords to everyone and then there is conditional respect that is earned. "Treat others as you would wish to be treated" covers the first one. You don't have to do more than that. You can only earn the respect of those who witness your deeds or come to know you. What one person respects and values is not always going to be same as someone else's values. "
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"The problem with the word respect is it has two meanings 1. Having a deep admiration for someone's qualities or abilities etc 2. Having appropriate regard for another's feelings, rights or wishes 1 is earned 2 Should be a given" This! Try not to let that guy bother you, OP. One person's opinion doesn't deem a majority _iew. | |||
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"The problem with the word respect is it has two meanings 1. Having a deep admiration for someone's qualities or abilities etc 2. Having appropriate regard for another's feelings, rights or wishes 1 is earned 2 Should be a given" | |||
"Does a criminal deserve respect, I don't think so, thst's one example, one respects whoever he feels fit to respect." Yes. I still respect a criminal's basic needs to be treated with courtesy. I am sure you have lived an exemplary life and have never committed any crimes. Of course, quite a lot of people do commit petty crimes (as admitted on numerous threads right here). Are they only classed as criminals by you once they have been prosecuted? | |||
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"Does a criminal deserve respect, I don't think so, thst's one example, one respects whoever he feels fit to respect." Does criminals deserve respect as a member of society? No. That's why they are deprived of their liberty or otherwise punished for their crimes. However, we still respect the status of a criminal as a human being. That's why we have laws against 'cruel and unusual punishment' and punish law officers who abuse or mistreat prisoners in their charge. | |||
"Does a criminal deserve respect, I don't think so, thst's one example, one respects whoever he feels fit to respect. Yes. I still respect a criminal's basic needs to be treated with courtesy. I am sure you have lived an exemplary life and have never committed any crimes. Of course, quite a lot of people do commit petty crimes (as admitted on numerous threads right here). Are they only classed as criminals by you once they have been prosecuted? " I respect who ever I feel deserves respect, not who I should respect by being dictated to by what others think we should do. | |||
"I think there is a basic respect that one affords to everyone and then there is conditional respect that is earned. "Treat others as you would wish to be treated" covers the first one. You don't have to do more than that. You can only earn the respect of those who witness your deeds or come to know you. What one person respects and values is not always going to be same as someone else's values. " This is exactly what I meant. You can lose respect for someone's deeds, _iews or opinions, but that's not the same as respecting them as a human being. For instance, I have no respect for Donald Trump as a politician - I feel that he is totally unqualified to be the President of the USA. However, I still respect Trump's rights as a human being. | |||
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"Do Criminals, murderers etc respect their victims and treat them like fellow humans answer no, so why should they be entitled" See my first post. Then the one in answer to your first post about criminals not deserving respect. | |||
"The problem with the word respect is it has two meanings 1. Having a deep admiration for someone's qualities or abilities etc 2. Having appropriate regard for another's feelings, rights or wishes 1 is earned 2 Should be a given" Well said. | |||
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"Do Criminals, murderers etc respect their victims and treat them like fellow humans answer no, so why should they be entitled" Because if we treat them the same as they treat others how does that make us different to them?! | |||
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"Do Criminals, murderers etc respect their victims and treat them like fellow humans answer no, so why should they be entitled" Justice is achieved by punishing the criminal for breaking the law. Vengeance is achieved by descending to the criminal's level. As I said before, criminals deserve NO respect for having broken the law; however, they still deserve a basic level of respect as human beings. That's why we have concepts such as 'right to a fair trial,' 'right to legal representation,' and 'right to fair treatment while in custody.' | |||
"Do Criminals, murderers etc respect their victims and treat them like fellow humans answer no, so why should they be entitled Because if we treat them the same as they treat others how does that make us different to them?! " because they chose to be criminals and behave bad, only cause I said I won't respect them it doesn't mean I will treat them bad just won't respect them that's all. | |||
"Do Criminals, murderers etc respect their victims and treat them like fellow humans answer no, so why should they be entitled Because if we treat them the same as they treat others how does that make us different to them?! " Precisely. We abolished the death penalty because it failed to deter criminals from committing crimes, and did nothing to compensate for the wrong inflicted upon the victim. | |||
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Some people are just trolls op. Their mouths more open than their minds.
I didn't see the thread in question, however I've seen many over the years here that leave me somewhat saddened by the way some think. I've even at times been publicly singled out and insulted.
I'm sorry to say that such statements will forever pop up. Ignore and dont give them any reaction is my _iew now. "I agree | |||
"Do Criminals, murderers etc respect their victims and treat them like fellow humans answer no, so why should they be entitled Because if we treat them the same as they treat others how does that make us different to them?! because they chose to be criminals and behave bad, only cause I said I won't respect them it doesn't mean I will treat them bad just won't respect them that's all." That's the point though...no one is asking you to respect the criminal for the choices he has made...they are asking you to respect the criminal's inalienable rights as a Human Being. | |||
"Another thread on which I was commenting has been closed for getting too big. However, I wanted to respond to this comment by a user who shall, for now, remain nameless. "[I will] respect [fat people] if they are working their asses to be better, more beautiful, fit and so on. If you come across a person who does nothing... should I respect that person? Respect is earned, it is not a privilege." First off, you have no right to demand that people conform to your idea of 'beauty,' 'fitness' etc... Second, respect is not conditional upon conforming to a particular image of 'beauty.' Third, respect is not 'earned.' Every human being has the right to be treated with respect, whatever their race, colour, creed, physique, intellect, gender or sexual orientation." Well, you are clearly stuck on this beauty concept. If you check what I actually wrote, is that I respect people for HARD WORK, for the effort, not for the end result | |||
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"Ive had a few forum bans since joining lol First time i made a few generalisations which were wrong but i got called a woman beater and not 1 fucker stood up for me ended up getting a 48 hour ban for that . 2nd time about 6 or 7 people got laid into me with a full on charecter assasination (i held my own against them all whitch im proud of) but i was the only 1 got banned for that to. Do your bastardin head in " You don't know you were were the only one getting bans | |||
"Do Criminals, murderers etc respect their victims and treat them like fellow humans answer no, so why should they be entitled Because if we treat them the same as they treat others how does that make us different to them?! because they chose to be criminals and behave bad, only cause I said I won't respect them it doesn't mean I will treat them bad just won't respect them that's all." You are not understanding the points made above. There are 2 different types of respect. Admiration for someone's actions etc and a basic level of human respect which everyone should be afforded. | |||
"Do Criminals, murderers etc respect their victims and treat them like fellow humans answer no, so why should they be entitled Because if we treat them the same as they treat others how does that make us different to them?! because they chose to be criminals and behave bad, only cause I said I won't respect them it doesn't mean I will treat them bad just won't respect them that's all. That's the point though...no one is asking you to respect the criminal for the choices he has made...they are asking you to respect the criminal's inalienable rights as a Human Being." so if that is the case in this country, why does this country not intervene with America's choice of the death penalty for criminals as the UK has a great relationship with the USA | |||
"Another thread on which I was commenting has been closed for getting too big. However, I wanted to respond to this comment by a user who shall, for now, remain nameless. "[I will] respect [fat people] if they are working their asses to be better, more beautiful, fit and so on. If you come across a person who does nothing... should I respect that person? Respect is earned, it is not a privilege." First off, you have no right to demand that people conform to your idea of 'beauty,' 'fitness' etc... Second, respect is not conditional upon conforming to a particular image of 'beauty.' Third, respect is not 'earned.' Every human being has the right to be treated with respect, whatever their race, colour, creed, physique, intellect, gender or sexual orientation. Well, you are clearly stuck on this beauty concept. If you check what I actually wrote, is that I respect people for HARD WORK, for the effort, not for the end result" Ah...you took your time... No, what you said is that you respect fat people who 'WORK HARD to be better, more beautiful, fit and so on.' Why should I have to conform to YOUR personal standard of 'beauty' and 'fitness' in order to be considered worthy of your respect? Why, in your eyes, does being 'beautiful' and 'fit' make me a 'better' person? Why does my being 'fat' automatically mean that I am lazy? I work my ass off every week at the gym, but I do so to be a better sportsman, not to meet your approval in terms of 'ass busting.' | |||
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"Another thread on which I was commenting has been closed for getting too big. However, I wanted to respond to this comment by a user who shall, for now, remain nameless. "[I will] respect [fat people] if they are working their asses to be better, more beautiful, fit and so on. If you come across a person who does nothing... should I respect that person? Respect is earned, it is not a privilege." First off, you have no right to demand that people conform to your idea of 'beauty,' 'fitness' etc... Second, respect is not conditional upon conforming to a particular image of 'beauty.' Third, respect is not 'earned.' Every human being has the right to be treated with respect, whatever their race, colour, creed, physique, intellect, gender or sexual orientation. Well, you are clearly stuck on this beauty concept. If you check what I actually wrote, is that I respect people for HARD WORK, for the effort, not for the end result" Here is what you wrote.... Yes it is bad, but why they are saying it? Simple. Respect. If they are working their asses to be better, more beautiful, fit and so on. And they come across a person who does nothing ( im not talking about you, as I dont know you). So should they respect that person? Respect is earned, it is not a privilege . You can shut those people, but they will still not respect the person if they didn't earn it. They will still think the same. And your problem is not about the words, but what they mean and where they are coming from. You want respect? Earn it! You clearly think it is OK to be rude to people who do not confirm to your idea of beautiful or fit and think that you are doing people a favour while doing it. I bet you are one of those dick heads sharing the 'have you seen xxx' nemesis on Facebook. At a basic human level everyone deserves the right to be treated kindly. | |||
"Ive had a few forum bans since joining lol First time i made a few generalisations which were wrong but i got called a woman beater and not 1 fucker stood up for me ended up getting a 48 hour ban for that . 2nd time about 6 or 7 people got laid into me with a full on charecter assasination (i held my own against them all whitch im proud of) but i was the only 1 got banned for that to. Do your bastardin head in You don't know you were were the only one getting bans" I do say fair play the insults are top notch the woman beater did hurt like know for a fact they didnt get banned for it. If i got 48 hours only fair that the other person got 48 to double standards is what im complaining about . People are afraid to say what they really think | |||
"Do Criminals, murderers etc respect their victims and treat them like fellow humans answer no, so why should they be entitled Because if we treat them the same as they treat others how does that make us different to them?! because they chose to be criminals and behave bad, only cause I said I won't respect them it doesn't mean I will treat them bad just won't respect them that's all. That's the point though...no one is asking you to respect the criminal for the choices he has made...they are asking you to respect the criminal's inalienable rights as a Human Being. so if that is the case in this country, why does this country not intervene with America's choice of the death penalty for criminals as the UK has a great relationship with the USA" The UK has long criticised the USA for its continuing use of the death penalty. However, we do not have the power to force the USA to change its laws. If the UK has failed to properly condemn any nation for its use of the death penalty, it's the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-told-diplomats-not-to-challenge-saudi-arabia-over-death-penalty-a6796546.html | |||
"Ive had a few forum bans since joining lol First time i made a few generalisations which were wrong but i got called a woman beater and not 1 fucker stood up for me ended up getting a 48 hour ban for that . 2nd time about 6 or 7 people got laid into me with a full on charecter assasination (i held my own against them all whitch im proud of) but i was the only 1 got banned for that to. Do your bastardin head in You don't know you were were the only one getting bans I do say fair play the insults are top notch the woman beater did hurt like know for a fact they didnt get banned for it. If i got 48 hours only fair that the other person got 48 to double standards is what im complaining about . People are afraid to say what they really think " You have a complaint about your ban so contact Admin. Talking about it could earn you another. The thread is about respect; what's your _iew of the OP? | |||
"Do Criminals, murderers etc respect their victims and treat them like fellow humans answer no, so why should they be entitled Because if we treat them the same as they treat others how does that make us different to them?! because they chose to be criminals and behave bad, only cause I said I won't respect them it doesn't mean I will treat them bad just won't respect them that's all. That's the point though...no one is asking you to respect the criminal for the choices he has made...they are asking you to respect the criminal's inalienable rights as a Human Being. so if that is the case in this country, why does this country not intervene with America's choice of the death penalty for criminals as the UK has a great relationship with the USA The UK has long criticised the USA for its continuing use of the death penalty. However, we do not have the power to force the USA to change its laws. If the UK has failed to properly condemn any nation for its use of the death penalty, it's the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-told-diplomats-not-to-challenge-saudi-arabia-over-death-penalty-a6796546.html" that's why we live in a hypocritical world, money and power dictates what is right or wrong when it suits them. | |||
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" First, I dont even know why you are so stuck up on your visual appearance problem and at this point I dont even want to know. But you missunderstood my point. Second, we are taking this out of the context. On previous thread you were crying why everyone calls you fat and that the media and the people should change their minds about it. I gave you the reason. If you will earn respect through hard work, they will stop calling you fat. it seems that you want everyone to change around you, but you don't want to put the least bit of effort in doing something by yourself" Even though he said several times that he was  but that is inconvenient as it goes against you're 'arguement'
No one was crying about being called fat they were explaining that people find fat people easy targets to make themselves feel better by belittling them and making snap judgements on their lives. All of your posts are proving that point. | |||
" First, I dont even know why you are so stuck up on your visual appearance problem and at this point I dont even want to know. But you missunderstood my point. Second, we are taking this out of the context. On previous thread you were crying why everyone calls you fat and that the media and the people should change their minds about it. I gave you the reason. If you will earn respect through hard work, they will stop calling you fat. it seems that you want everyone to change around you, but you don't want to put the least bit of effort in doing something by yourself Even though he said several times that he was but that is inconvenient as it goes against you're 'arguement'
No one was crying about being called fat they were explaining that people find fat people easy targets to make themselves feel better by belittling them and making snap judgements on their lives. All of your posts are proving that point. "There are some people like this and there are people like I was telling about. I can say that some person is fat and ugly, if he is sitting and doing nothing, but I will never say that to a person who tries to do something about it, for example starts going to the gym or something. He may be the fattest person in the world, but if he puts effort into it, that person has my respect | |||
" First, I dont even know why you are so stuck up on your visual appearance problem and at this point I dont even want to know. But you missunderstood my point. Second, we are taking this out of the context. On previous thread you were crying why everyone calls you fat and that the media and the people should change their minds about it. I gave you the reason. If you will earn respect through hard work, they will stop calling you fat. it seems that you want everyone to change around you, but you don't want to put the least bit of effort in doing something by yourself Even though he said several times that he was but that is inconvenient as it goes against you're 'arguement'
No one was crying about being called fat they were explaining that people find fat people easy targets to make themselves feel better by belittling them and making snap judgements on their lives. All of your posts are proving that point.
There are some people like this and there are people like I was telling about.
I can say that some person is fat and ugly, if he is sitting and doing nothing, but I will never say that to a person who tries to do something about it, for example starts going to the gym or something. He may be the fattest person in the world, but if he puts effort into it, that person has my respect"Fuck me this is one hard wall  futile argument is futile... I'm off to bed. | |||
"Ive had a few forum bans since joining lol First time i made a few generalisations which were wrong but i got called a woman beater and not 1 fucker stood up for me ended up getting a 48 hour ban for that . 2nd time about 6 or 7 people got laid into me with a full on charecter assasination (i held my own against them all whitch im proud of) but i was the only 1 got banned for that to. Do your bastardin head in You don't know you were were the only one getting bans I do say fair play the insults are top notch the woman beater did hurt like know for a fact they didnt get banned for it. If i got 48 hours only fair that the other person got 48 to double standards is what im complaining about . People are afraid to say what they really think You have a complaint about your ban so contact Admin. Talking about it could earn you another. The thread is about respect; what's your _iew of the OP? " Ive friends and family that is overweight havent lost any respect for them just cause they put a bit of weight on. I started putting weight on only thing was ive a thing for expencive jeans and was ripping them all lol. I have _iews on overweight people in the big picture future and what not i dont wanna hurt peoples feelings know how it feels not nice at all | |||
"Ive had a few forum bans since joining lol First time i made a few generalisations which were wrong but i got called a woman beater and not 1 fucker stood up for me ended up getting a 48 hour ban for that . 2nd time about 6 or 7 people got laid into me with a full on charecter assasination (i held my own against them all whitch im proud of) but i was the only 1 got banned for that to. Do your bastardin head in You don't know you were were the only one getting bans I do say fair play the insults are top notch the woman beater did hurt like know for a fact they didnt get banned for it. If i got 48 hours only fair that the other person got 48 to double standards is what im complaining about . People are afraid to say what they really think You have a complaint about your ban so contact Admin. Talking about it could earn you another. The thread is about respect; what's your _iew of the OP? Ive friends and family that is overweight havent lost any respect for them just cause they put a bit of weight on. I started putting weight on only thing was ive a thing for expencive jeans and was ripping them all lol. I have _iews on overweight people in the big picture future and what not i dont wanna hurt peoples feelings know how it feels not nice at all " Respect in general, not just for fat people. | |||
" First, I dont even know why you are so stuck up on your visual appearance problem and at this point I dont even want to know. But you missunderstood my point. Second, we are taking this out of the context. On previous thread you were crying why everyone calls you fat and that the media and the people should change their minds about it. I gave you the reason. If you will earn respect through hard work, they will stop calling you fat. it seems that you want everyone to change around you, but you don't want to put the least bit of effort in doing something by yourself Even though he said several times that he was but that is inconvenient as it goes against you're 'arguement'
No one was crying about being called fat they were explaining that people find fat people easy targets to make themselves feel better by belittling them and making snap judgements on their lives. All of your posts are proving that point.
There are some people like this and there are people like I was telling about.
I can say that some person is fat and ugly, if he is sitting and doing nothing, but I will never say that to a person who tries to do something about it, for example starts going to the gym or something. He may be the fattest person in the world, but if he puts effort into it, that person has my respect"So what's answer for being ugly? How do you measure how ugly someone is? What if somebody cant loose weight because of a medical condition, do they not deserve respect? | |||
"First, I dont even know why you are so stuck up on your visual appearance problem and at this point I dont even want to know." What 'visual appearance problem'? I'm perfectly happy with the way that I look, as shown by my profile pics. "Second, we are taking this out of the context. On previous thread you were crying why everyone calls you fat and that the media and the people should change their minds about it." How am I taking it out of context? I am using your comment to make a perfectly valid point about respect, and whether it should be granted on principle or - as you put it - earned. Also, I was not 'crying why everyone calls me fat.' I merely stated that a number of users had sent me abusive messages concerning my weight, and provided numerous examples of how the media and popular culture perpetuates harmful stereotypes concerning 'fatness.' "I gave you the reason. If you earn respect through hard work, they will stop calling you fat." Regardless of whether or not I am fat, I am still a human being, and deserve to be treated as such. You have no right to make demands of me, or to judge my character based upon my appearance. "It seems that you want everyone to change around you, but you don't want to put the least bit of effort in doing something by yourself" I don't want 'everyone to change around me.' I merely want you to open your mind and dispel your ignorance. Also, any 'effort' that I put in to change my appearance is due entirely in order to further my sporting career. I see no reason why I should change in order to meet society's concept of what is 'beautiful,' or to meet your ridiculous criteria for 'respect.' | |||
" First, I dont even know why you are so stuck up on your visual appearance problem and at this point I dont even want to know. But you missunderstood my point. Second, we are taking this out of the context. On previous thread you were crying why everyone calls you fat and that the media and the people should change their minds about it. I gave you the reason. If you will earn respect through hard work, they will stop calling you fat. it seems that you want everyone to change around you, but you don't want to put the least bit of effort in doing something by yourself Even though he said several times that he was but that is inconvenient as it goes against you're 'arguement'
No one was crying about being called fat they were explaining that people find fat people easy targets to make themselves feel better by belittling them and making snap judgements on their lives. All of your posts are proving that point.
There are some people like this and there are people like I was telling about.
I can say that some person is fat and ugly, if he is sitting and doing nothing, but I will never say that to a person who tries to do something about it, for example starts going to the gym or something. He may be the fattest person in the world, but if he puts effort into it, that person has my respect"whats the difference between being fat and ugly... and being fit and ugly... nothing in my eyes... ya just ugly!!!! one doesn't compound the other... for example... if you happen to fat and a arse... or fit and an arse.... your still an arse!!!!! one type of arse just happens to larger than the other.... at the end of the day an arse is still an arse!!! 
those people who value personality as a major factor aren't still going to meet you if you happen to be an arse!!!
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" Also, any 'effort' that I put in to change my appearance is due entirely in order to further my sporting career. I see no reason why I should change in order to meet society's concept of what is 'beautiful,' or to meet your ridiculous criteria for 'respect.'" So why do you ask society to change, if you don't want to change anything in yourself? Why should they change to fit your ideology? Why should they put effort into it? Just because you want so? Im saying if you want changes, maybe you should start by yourself, and rest will follow? You dont want to change? Fine by me, society will also not change to your standards | |||
"I disagree, I don't have to respect everyone, just because they are people. You should respect everyone until they give you a reason not to!!!! " Totally with you on this one - my motto also! | |||
"There are some people like this and there are people like I was telling about. I can say that some person is fat and ugly, if he is sitting and doing nothing, but I will never say that to a person who tries to do something about it, for example starts going to the gym or something. He may be the fattest person in the world, but if he puts effort into it, that person has my respect" My point is that you CANNOT KNOW, simply by looking at a photograph of a person, whether or not they are attempting to meet your criteria of 'doing something' about their weight. Nor, indeed, can you tell if they have a medical condition, such as a glandular disorder, which causes them to experience drastic weight gain. In any case, your 'criteria for respect' ignores the fact that fat people are not, by definition, unhealthy. Rugby players, wrestlers, boxers, Olympic weightlifters, 'field' athletes and strongmen are all often obese, but they are tremendously fit in terms of cardiovascular, aerobic and anaerobic fitness. How would Thor Bjornsson, Žydrunas Savickas, Glenn Ross and Mark Henry - all of whom exceed 400lb - rate on your 'effort-o-meter'? | |||
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" Rugby players, wrestlers, boxers, Olympic weightlifters, 'field' athletes and strongmen are all often obese, but they are tremendously fit in terms of cardiovascular, aerobic and anaerobic fitness. How would Thor Bjornsson, Žydrunas Savickas, Glenn Ross and Mark Henry - all of whom exceed 400lb - rate on your 'effort-o-meter'? " You seriously comparing sportsmen and obesity? Do you know what obesity means? Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Your arguments are getting ridiculous  | |||
"So why do you ask society to change, if you don't want to change anything in yourself? Why should they change to fit your ideology? Why should they put effort into it?" First off, where did I say that I didn't 'want' to change? I stated quite clearly that I wanted to change, but that it was for my own benefit, not to conform to your fatuous idea of 'beauty and fitness.' Also, society should put some effort into changing its ideas because the image of beauty currently championed by the media and by popular culture is based on a ridiculous, unobtainable fantasy. | |||
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"So why do you ask society to change, if you don't want to change anything in yourself? Why should they change to fit your ideology? Why should they put effort into it? First off, where did I say that I didn't 'want' to change? I stated quite clearly that I wanted to change, but that it was for my own benefit, not to conform to your fatuous idea of 'beauty and fitness.' Also, society should put some effort into changing its ideas because the image of beauty currently championed by the media and by popular culture is based on a ridiculous, unobtainable fantasy. " Image of beauty is championed by the majority of people. Majority wants that. Unobtainable fantasy? Obtainable if you work hard for it. It may seems so for you, but for me this image of beauty is motivation | |||
"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight" Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. | |||
" Unobtainable fantasy? Obtainable if you work hard for it. It may seems so for you, but for me this image of beauty is motivation " I suppose thats the difference between beauty on the inside... and beauty on the outside.... because at the moment you may be conveying 1 of them... but i think that even "that" is a bit of a stretch...... 
I think that an interesting aside though... because how many times do you see the "i think i am really good looking and i can't get a meet, why on earth can that be?" threads on here....
then say, "ugly people seem to having way more fun!!!!"
maybe the thing should be is you keep being "buff" and all that... if you are "living the dream" then good for you!!!! | |||
"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk." Ok, crazy I wonder if someone asked you before if you are professional rugby player? No? I wonder why | |||
"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk." It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk. | |||
"I think there is a basic respect that one affords to everyone and then there is conditional respect that is earned. "Treat others as you would wish to be treated" covers the first one. You don't have to do more than that. You can only earn the respect of those who witness your deeds or come to know you. What one person respects and values is not always going to be same as someone else's values. " Exactly. | |||
"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk." Did I say that obesity wasn't a health risk? No What I said was that obese people are INHERENTLY unhealthy. | |||
"I wonder if someone asked you before if you are professional rugby player? No? I wonder why " What does that even mean? | |||
"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk. Did I say that obesity wasn't a health risk? No What I said was that obese people are INHERENTLY unhealthy." They are if they stay obese. | |||
"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk." Also, if you look on the original thread, you will see that I repeatedly acknowledged that the obesity rate in Britain is a serious problem. My complaint concerned the manner in which the tabloid press frequently engages in the demonisation of obese people, and perpetuates the myth that we are inherently lazy, unhealthy, workshy and unattractive. | |||
"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk. Also, if you look on the original thread, you will see that I repeatedly acknowledged that the obesity rate in Britain is a serious problem. My complaint concerned the manner in which the tabloid press frequently engages in the demonisation of obese people, and perpetuates the myth that we are inherently lazy, unhealthy, workshy and unattractive." Trust me, UK's society is way more accepting obesity than other countries. What did it lead to? One of the highest obesity rates in Europe. Maybe it's a good kick in your arse to start doing something? | |||
"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk. Did I say that obesity wasn't a health risk? No What I said was that obese people are INHERENTLY unhealthy. They are if they stay obese." Again, a meaningless blanket statement that takes no account of the lifestyle of the individual obese person. | |||
"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk. Also, if you look on the original thread, you will see that I repeatedly acknowledged that the obesity rate in Britain is a serious problem. My complaint concerned the manner in which the tabloid press frequently engages in the demonisation of obese people, and perpetuates the myth that we are inherently lazy, unhealthy, workshy and unattractive." Sorry I don't read the tabloid press so I would no know. | |||
"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk. Did I say that obesity wasn't a health risk? No What I said was that obese people are INHERENTLY unhealthy. They are if they stay obese. Again, a meaningless blanket statement that takes no account of the lifestyle of the individual obese person. " Regardless of it - the entire time they are significantly overweight they remain at risk of serious medical consequences of that, period. I have weight to lose myself. | |||
"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk. Also, if you look on the original thread, you will see that I repeatedly acknowledged that the obesity rate in Britain is a serious problem. My complaint concerned the manner in which the tabloid press frequently engages in the demonisation of obese people, and perpetuates the myth that we are inherently lazy, unhealthy, workshy and unattractive." Obesity is unhealty And some, like myself, find it unattractive. Respect or disrespect has nothing to do with it | |||
"Regardless of it - the entire time they are significantly overweight they remain at risk of serious medical consequences of that." Only if you look at weight in isolation, and give no consideration to factors such as diet; exercise rate; consumption of alcohol, tobacco or drugs; prescribed medication; and existent medical conditions. | |||
"Regardless of it - the entire time they are significantly overweight they remain at risk of serious medical consequences of that. Only if you look at weight in isolation, and give no consideration to factors such as diet; exercise rate; consumption of alcohol, tobacco or drugs; prescribed medication; and existent medical conditions." No, regardless of all of those. Diet and exercise will not overcome all of the negative effects, and all of the other factors may make them worse. | |||
"Obesity is unhealty And some, like myself, find it unattractive. Respect or disrespect has nothing to do with it" I don't care if you find someone who is obese attractive or not, or whether or not you believe that all obese people are unhealthy, lazy slobs. The fact remains that we should still be able to expect to be treated with a basic level of respect, and should be able to use this site without being subjected to abusive hate-mail. | |||
"No, regardless of all of those. Diet and exercise will not overcome all of the negative effects, and all of the other factors may make them worse." My point was that someone who is merely 'obese' is at far less risk than someone who also drinks large amounts of alcohol and/or smokes heavily. Also, I was not saying that modification of diet and engaging in exercise cannot overcome the negative effects of obesity; I was saying that they can reduce and/or delay their impact, and thereby reduce the level of risk to acceptable levels. | |||
"No, regardless of all of those. Diet and exercise will not overcome all of the negative effects, and all of the other factors may make them worse. My point was that someone who is merely 'obese' is at far less risk than someone who also drinks large amounts of alcohol and/or smokes heavily. Also, I was not saying that modification of diet and engaging in exercise cannot overcome the negative effects of obesity; I was saying that they can reduce and/or delay their impact, and thereby reduce the level of risk to acceptable levels." I would not bet on it. | |||
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" Rugby players, wrestlers, boxers, Olympic weightlifters, 'field' athletes and strongmen are all often obese, but they are tremendously fit in terms of cardiovascular, aerobic and anaerobic fitness. How would Thor Bjornsson, Žydrunas Savickas, Glenn Ross and Mark Henry - all of whom exceed 400lb - rate on your 'effort-o-meter'? You seriously comparing sportsmen and obesity? Do you know what obesity means? Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Your arguments are getting ridiculous "Muscle does not weight heavier than fat. It's just denser. | |||
" Muscle does not weight heavier than fat. It's just denser. " True a kilo of fat weighs the same as a kilo of lead, feathers, or muscle but they are not the same size... and I would prefer to drop a kilo of feathers on my foot to a kilo of lead... got to respect that density stuff... | |||
"So why do you ask society to change, if you don't want to change anything in yourself? Why should they change to fit your ideology? Why should they put effort into it? First off, where did I say that I didn't 'want' to change? I stated quite clearly that I wanted to change, but that it was for my own benefit, not to conform to your fatuous idea of 'beauty and fitness.' Also, society should put some effort into changing its ideas because the image of beauty currently championed by the media and by popular culture is based on a ridiculous, unobtainable fantasy. Image of beauty is championed by the majority of people. Majority wants that. Unobtainable fantasy? Obtainable if you work hard for it. It may seems so for you, but for me this image of beauty is motivation " You failed. On so many levels of beauty you have failed old son. | |||
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"Obesity is unhealty And some, like myself, find it unattractive. Respect or disrespect has nothing to do with it I don't care if you find someone who is obese attractive or not, or whether or not you believe that all obese people are unhealthy, lazy slobs. The fact remains that we should still be able to expect to be treated with a basic level of respect, and should be able to use this site without being subjected to abusive hate-mail. " And I don't care if you can read or not. Where have I written that fat people are lazy slobs? Yes, they are unhealthy. I see them all the time struggling to even walk properly Gets off that silly little high-horse of yours and read before responding | |||
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"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk. Also, if you look on the original thread, you will see that I repeatedly acknowledged that the obesity rate in Britain is a serious problem. My complaint concerned the manner in which the tabloid press frequently engages in the demonisation of obese people, and perpetuates the myth that we are inherently lazy, unhealthy, workshy and unattractive. Trust me, UK's society is way more accepting obesity than other countries. What did it lead to? One of the highest obesity rates in Europe. Maybe it's a good kick in your arse to start doing something? " Anorexia is a serious health problem too, yet you say you like anorexic women. | |||
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"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk. Also, if you look on the original thread, you will see that I repeatedly acknowledged that the obesity rate in Britain is a serious problem. My complaint concerned the manner in which the tabloid press frequently engages in the demonisation of obese people, and perpetuates the myth that we are inherently lazy, unhealthy, workshy and unattractive. Trust me, UK's society is way more accepting obesity than other countries. What did it lead to? One of the highest obesity rates in Europe. Maybe it's a good kick in your arse to start doing something? Anorexia is a serious health problem too, yet you say you like anorexic women. Neither is healthy But the UK is nicknamed the "fat man of Europe", not the "anorexic man of Europe". Obesity is a much bigger problem here than anorexia" My point was not about the state of health in the UK. | |||
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"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk. Also, if you look on the original thread, you will see that I repeatedly acknowledged that the obesity rate in Britain is a serious problem. My complaint concerned the manner in which the tabloid press frequently engages in the demonisation of obese people, and perpetuates the myth that we are inherently lazy, unhealthy, workshy and unattractive. Trust me, UK's society is way more accepting obesity than other countries. What did it lead to? One of the highest obesity rates in Europe. Maybe it's a good kick in your arse to start doing something? Anorexia is a serious health problem too, yet you say you like anorexic women. Neither is healthy But the UK is nicknamed the "fat man of Europe", not the "anorexic man of Europe". Obesity is a much bigger problem here than anorexia My point was not about the state of health in the UK. " OK, I will try and delete my post | |||
"The problem with the word respect is it has two meanings 1. Having a deep admiration for someone's qualities or abilities etc 2. Having appropriate regard for another's feelings, rights or wishes 1 is earned 2 Should be a given" | |||
"Obesity is unhealty And some, like myself, find it unattractive. Respect or disrespect has nothing to do with it I don't care if you find someone who is obese attractive or not, or whether or not you believe that all obese people are unhealthy, lazy slobs. The fact remains that we should still be able to expect to be treated with a basic level of respect, and should be able to use this site without being subjected to abusive hate-mail. And I don't care if you can read or not. Where have I written that fat people are lazy slobs? Yes, they are unhealthy. I see them all the time struggling to even walk properly Gets off that silly little high-horse of yours and read before responding" I never said that you had written it down; I said that I didn't care one way or the other if you believed it. | |||
"Yes, they are unhealthy. I see them all the time struggling to even walk properly Gets off that silly little high-horse of yours and read before responding" Why don't YOU get off your 'silly little high horse' and stop implying a causal link between obesity and an inability to 'walk properly'? Look at me for example. I am obese. I also struggle to walk properly. However, the cause of my inability to walk properly is not my obesity, but rather a combination of a neurological disability and my having undergone reconstructive pelvic and femoral surgery. I say again: you cannot make assumptions about a person's health simply by looking at them. | |||
"Another thread on which I was commenting has been closed for getting too big. However, I wanted to respond to this comment by a user who shall, for now, remain nameless. "[I will] respect [fat people] if they are working their asses to be better, more beautiful, fit and so on. If you come across a person who does nothing... should I respect that person? Respect is earned, it is not a privilege." First off, you have no right to demand that people conform to your idea of 'beauty,' 'fitness' etc... Second, respect is not conditional upon conforming to a particular image of 'beauty.' Third, respect is not 'earned.' Every human being has the right to be treated with respect, whatever their race, colour, creed, physique, intellect, gender or sexual orientation." i accept people as they are, that is completely different to respect. no one is owed respect. i meet where i am met. | |||
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"Yes, they are unhealthy. I see them all the time struggling to even walk properly Gets off that silly little high-horse of yours and read before responding Why don't YOU get off your 'silly little high horse' and stop implying a causal link between obesity and an inability to 'walk properly'? Look at me for example. I am obese. I also struggle to walk properly. However, the cause of my inability to walk properly is not my obesity, but rather a combination of a neurological disability and my having undergone reconstructive pelvic and femoral surgery. I say again: you cannot make assumptions about a person's health simply by looking at them. " Did I say anything about you? Lord, you need to learn how to read and get real I said I see fat people all the time struggling to walk properly. Being that fat is neither attractive nor is it healthy Now keep believing that you are the next Bolt if you like | |||
"Obesity is unhealty And some, like myself, find it unattractive. Respect or disrespect has nothing to do with it I don't care if you find someone who is obese attractive or not, or whether or not you believe that all obese people are unhealthy, lazy slobs. The fact remains that we should still be able to expect to be treated with a basic level of respect, and should be able to use this site without being subjected to abusive hate-mail. And I don't care if you can read or not. Where have I written that fat people are lazy slobs? Yes, they are unhealthy. I see them all the time struggling to even walk properly Gets off that silly little high-horse of yours and read before responding I never said that you had written it down; I said that I didn't care one way or the other if you believed it." Stop making assumptions of what I believe in or not when I haven't said it. Just stick to what people have written | |||
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"Just because sportsmen have high weight , it doesn't mean they are obese. Muscle tissues weight more than fat. That is why they have higher weight Wrong. Medically speaking, they are obese. BMI takes no account of body fat percentage. The measure of obesity is purely based on a person's weight and height. Regardless, your assumption that fat people are inherently unhealthy is still a load of bunk. It isn't - obesity, particularly visceral obesity is a significant health risk. Also, if you look on the original thread, you will see that I repeatedly acknowledged that the obesity rate in Britain is a serious problem. My complaint concerned the manner in which the tabloid press frequently engages in the demonisation of obese people, and perpetuates the myth that we are inherently lazy, unhealthy, workshy and unattractive. Trust me, UK's society is way more accepting obesity than other countries. What did it lead to? One of the highest obesity rates in Europe. Maybe it's a good kick in your arse to start doing something? Anorexia is a serious health problem too, yet you say you like anorexic women. " You haven't read the thread, have you? Still you are talking about it.... | |||
"Did I say anything about you? Lord, you need to learn how to read and get real I said I see fat people all the time struggling to walk properly. Being that fat is neither attractive nor is it healthy Now keep believing that you are the next Bolt if you like" I never said you were saying anything about me personally. I was simply illustrating the irrationality of your assumption that a fat person's mobility issues are caused solely by their being fat. | |||
"So some people dont like fat people its hardly crime of the century is it?" So what? I know fully well that it's not 'the crime of the century' to hate fat people; but that doesn't make it any less wrong. | |||
"I offer everyone basic respect (as in courtesy) unless they demonstrate to me that I shouldn't, because that's what normal decent people do. All this "respect must be earned" stuff usually comes out of the mouths of those who want to be cunts with impunity. " Well said. | |||
"A lot of fat people are nastier than thin people so i dont feel sorry for them anymore. People usually treat people badly because they have been treated badly themselves." That makes no sense. You met a nasty fat person, so you don't 'feel sorry' for any of them??? I met a horrible bloke in Southampton once, so now I ignore all people from Southampton
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"A lot of fat people are nastier than thin people so i dont feel sorry for them anymore. People usually treat people badly because they have been treated badly themselves. That makes no sense. You met a nasty fat person, so you don't 'feel sorry' for any of them??? I met a horrible bloke in Southampton once, so now I ignore all people from Southampton
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"A lot of fat people are nastier than thin people so i dont feel sorry for them anymore. People usually treat people badly because they have been treated badly themselves. That makes no sense. You met a nasty fat person, so you don't 'feel sorry' for any of them??? I met a horrible bloke in Southampton once, so now I ignore all people from Southampton
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did i actualy say i met these fat people. "How do you know about these nasty fat people then? | |||
"Hate is a very strong word. I have not seen anyone, but the OP, mention it on this thread But not finding someone attractive is not hate, just that people have certain ideas about attractiveness" I never said that 'not finding someone attractive' qualified as 'hate.' It's true that I'm the only person on the thread to have used the word 'hate,' but i've also only used it in reference to 'hate-mail.' | |||
"So some people dont like fat people its hardly crime of the century is it? So what? I know fully well that it's not 'the crime of the century' to hate fat people; but that doesn't make it any less wrong." You changed like to hate to elevate your outrage | |||
"So some people dont like fat people its hardly crime of the century is it? So what? I know fully well that it's not 'the crime of the century' to hate fat people; but that doesn't make it any less wrong. You changed like to hate to elevate your outrage " Given that the 'crime of the century' comment appeared to have been posted in response to my comments about hate-mail, it's rather more accurate to say that they changed 'hate' to 'don't like' in order to lampshade and/or dismiss the CAUSE of my anger. | |||
"So some people dont like fat people its hardly crime of the century is it? So what? I know fully well that it's not 'the crime of the century' to hate fat people; but that doesn't make it any less wrong. You changed like to hate to elevate your outrage Given that the 'crime of the century' comment appeared to have been posted in response to my comments about hate-mail, it's rather more accurate to say that they changed 'hate' to 'don't like' in order to lampshade and/or dismiss the CAUSE of my anger." We all get abusive mail You should see my inbox: "stupid old fat ugly cow"; "go f**k yourself"; and these are the milder ones I ignore them | |||
"we all get abusive mail You should see my inbox: "stupid old fat ugly cow"; "go f**k yourself"; and these are the milder ones I ignore them" I am well aware of the abusive mail received by women on this site. If you look at the original thread, you will see that I repeatedly condemn misogynistic abuse. https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/581905 However, the fact that you choose to ignore the abuse that you receive does not give you the right to imply that I should ignore the abuse that I receive. | |||
"So some people dont like fat people its hardly crime of the century is it? So what? I know fully well that it's not 'the crime of the century' to hate fat people; but that doesn't make it any less wrong. You changed like to hate to elevate your outrage Given that the 'crime of the century' comment appeared to have been posted in response to my comments about hate-mail, it's rather more accurate to say that they changed 'hate' to 'don't like' in order to lampshade and/or dismiss the CAUSE of my anger." Ok  | |||
"we all get abusive mail You should see my inbox: "stupid old fat ugly cow"; "go f**k yourself"; and these are the milder ones I ignore them I am well aware of the abusive mail received by women on this site. If you look at the original thread, you will see that I repeatedly condemn misogynistic abuse. https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/581905 However, the fact that you choose to ignore the abuse that you receive does not give you the right to imply that I should ignore the abuse that I receive." So, what is your solution? Start a thread about it where mostly people who are from sympathetic to aloof, comment and you alienate them with your posts? Go on then. I have nothing more to say | |||
"So, what is your solution? Start a thread about it where mostly people who are from sympathetic to aloof, comment and you alienate them with your posts? Go on then. I have nothing more to say" The only people who seem to be 'alienated' by my comments are those who, like yourself, never displayed any 'sympathy' to begin with... For instance, you claimed to support the _iew that 'respect,' insofar as 'having appropriate regard for another's feelings, rights or wishes' should be a given. However, you then proceeded to draw sweeping generalisations about fat people - and more specifically, their state of health - purely on the basis of appearance. | |||
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"What is guaranteed is that there will be another BBW appreciation thread along soon. They're more regular than Southern Railways." Doubtless you are correct...however, that's missing the point. Regardless of how many 'BBW/BHM Appreciation Threads' exist, that doesn't mean that people who complain about receiving abusive messages are 'over-sensitive buffoons.' | |||
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