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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
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It is both. That is the fun of it. |
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It's a pagan festival of mid winter.The early church would have nothing to do with it.All the symbolism is pagan.It got hijacked by christanity as they needed a date for Christ's birth and the bible says nothing so they made it up.Standard practice. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
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The problem is we are a religious country with a secular population, so the original point of Christmas has been kinda taken over by the inherent greed. However the holiday has always been about getting together to eat, drink, and celebrate the return of the sun, so it hasn't changed that much. |
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"It's a pagan festival of mid winter.The early church would have nothing to do with it.All the symbolism is pagan.It got hijacked by christanity as they needed a date for Christ's birth and the bible says nothing so they made it up.Standard practice."
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
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it's a day celebrating the birth of Christ.
How do you separate that from religion.
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
it's a day celebrating the birth of Christ.
How do you separate that from religion.
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Religion isn't necessarily christian.....
Anyway, read above - it was originally a pagan festival. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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it's a day celebrating the birth of Christ.
How do you separate that from religion.
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But it's now generally thought that Christ was actually born in the Autumn...
In Britain at least, it was a pre-Christian festival of the winter solstice - for much longer that it's been a Christian event...
It's whatever you want to personally make of it, and that's nobody else's concern at all...
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
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Christmas was almost certainly stolen from various pagan festivals and repurposed in an attempt to bring these pagants into the fold.
In modern times (in Britain at least) there are very few people who place any religious significance on Christmas, I personally think it has become more about celebrating a tradition now.
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Unfortunately, I feel that it's meaning has gotten lost over the years and it has become far too commercialised.
I have always considered it a religious festival - which is why I no longer celebrate it.
I am keen that my children know and understand the meaning of Christmas though (and always ensure that they enjoy the Christmas experience) so that they can make their own choices as they grow up |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
it's a day celebrating the birth of Christ.
How do you separate that from religion.
Religion isn't necessarily christian.....
Anyway, read above - it was originally a pagan festival. "
Have you been on the sauce Steve.
Why would anyone think religion was necessarily christian???
It's a day Christians have chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ,no matter what it was before.
I hope that does it,although I'm thinking you may need pictures.
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"The clues are in the word Christmas...  "
According to the last Census, less than 50% of people in Britain Identify themselves as believing in a religion. Where as EVERYBODY (almost ?) loves Xmas.
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
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It's about consumerism and greed. |
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"Unfortunately, I feel that it's meaning has gotten lost over the years and it has become far too commercialised.
I have always considered it a religious festival - which is why I no longer celebrate it.
I am keen that my children know and understand the meaning of Christmas though (and always ensure that they enjoy the Christmas experience) so that they can make their own choices as they grow up"
What is the meaning of Christmas? It's not about celebrating the birth of Christ - see the posts above. More like sacrifices on the £ altar. |
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it's a day celebrating the birth of Christ.
How do you separate that from religion.
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Quite easily, as the whole jesus thing was just a human construct to control the masses through fear of some sort of eternal torture if they didn't tow the line....and of course they had to pay for this priviledge!
Luckily, a lot of of us have wised up- i'd be more inclined to believe Toy Story is based on actual events than all the bible nonsense.
Its just a few days off work and a nice nosebag round my parents- nowt religious about it |
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Yeah standing behind the fickin chippy muttering timewaster 
I'm not a thread hijacker "
Well hark my herald angel and come all ye faithful |
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
it's a day celebrating the birth of Christ.
How do you separate that from religion.
Religion isn't necessarily christian.....
Anyway, read above - it was originally a pagan festival.
Have you been on the sauce Steve.
Why would anyone think religion was necessarily christian???
It's a day Christians have chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ,no matter what it was before.
I hope that does it,although I'm thinking you may need pictures.
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Ah, I have new photos up for Christmas  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
It's about consumerism and greed."
Only if you make it about consumerism and greed. My Christmas isn't about consumerism and greed. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
it's a day celebrating the birth of Christ.
How do you separate that from religion.
Religion isn't necessarily christian.....
Anyway, read above - it was originally a pagan festival.
Have you been on the sauce Steve.
Why would anyone think religion was necessarily christian???
It's a day Christians have chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ,no matter what it was before.
I hope that does it,although I'm thinking you may need pictures.
Ah, I have new photos up for Christmas "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
It's about consumerism and greed.
Only if you make it about consumerism and greed. My Christmas isn't about consumerism and greed."
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
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Surely the answer is simple .
Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Christ.
It is all documented in the Bible . |
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
It is both. That is the fun of it."
Yea, it's what you make it. If you want to go to midnight mass and celebrate the Christian meaning you can, or a pagan rite, or whatever, but most of the population are just celebrating 'the midwinter family feast and holiday' and that in itself is intrinsically valuable, I love all the family traditions that develop.
I get all excited like a child at the sight of twinkly lights, flickering candles and roaring fires, spicey smells and mulled wine, and I feel really sentimental about all my nearest and dearest, friends and family alike. I love it, I'm gonna go put the tree up I think!  |
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Of course, the clue is in the name : Christmas. It has the word Christ in it for, well for Christs sake.
However, I am aware that in the days before Christianity, Pagans did have a midwinter festival at this time, which it seems has been hijacked by Christians.
As I understand, J.C. wasn't born on 25th December at all, but more likely earlier in the year, most likely the Autumn.
It is thought that the reason the 25th December was chosen to celebrate his birthday was in an effort to draw pagans into Christianity |
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It's for worshipping at the altar of commercialism for a lot of folk these days. I've scaled it back to a small prezzie for only a couple of my closest family and spend time drinking and eating with good friends and out surfing with buddies over the holiday. Nothing religious for me (not even pagan). |
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But it's now generally thought that Christ was actually born in the Autumn...
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Really? There is not the slightest bit of evidence that Jesus existed at all.
There are no Roman records, of any kind, that attest to the existence of Jesus. We have no birth certificate, no references to his works or deeds, no accounts of his trial, no description of his death - no reference to him whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. Jesus's name is not even mentioned in any Roman source of the first century.
The earliest sources of any sort only reference the clearly fictional Christ of Faith. These early sources, compiled decades after the alleged events, all stem from Christian authors eager to promote Christianity |
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"Saying all I did, when I was a school we always used to sing hymns and carols and do the manger play and stuff and kids these days don't do that as much I think. "
Primary schools still do a full traditional nativity. Also we've just been to our secondary school Christmas concert at the local church. We aren't religious at all and it's a regular city comprehensive, but we like that part of Christmas as it's just part and parcel of the traditional celebration. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Saying all I did, when I was a school we always used to sing hymns and carols and do the manger play and stuff and kids these days don't do that as much I think.
Primary schools still do a full traditional nativity. Also we've just been to our secondary school Christmas concert at the local church. We aren't religious at all and it's a regular city comprehensive, but we like that part of Christmas as it's just part and parcel of the traditional celebration."
Considering I am the least religious person anyone will ever meet, I am still a fan of Christmas Carols in a church. If nothing else, Christians definitely know how to sing. |
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
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It's lost even the family meaning
It's about
Greed, gluteny and materialistic children and parents who feel pressured by society to sometimes get into debt for what they think they should have |
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"Saying all I did, when I was a school we always used to sing hymns and carols and do the manger play and stuff and kids these days don't do that as much I think.
Primary schools still do a full traditional nativity. Also we've just been to our secondary school Christmas concert at the local church. We aren't religious at all and it's a regular city comprehensive, but we like that part of Christmas as it's just part and parcel of the traditional celebration.
Considering I am the least religious person anyone will ever meet, I am still a fan of Christmas Carols in a church. If nothing else, Christians definitely know how to sing."
Yes, I'm going to Carols by Candlight - I love belting out carols, there's some fabulous tunes! Carols on the village green are lovely too! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
It's lost even the family meaning
It's about
Greed, gluteny and materialistic children and parents who feel pressured by society to sometimes get into debt for what they think they should have "
Not in our house it isnt lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
It's lost even the family meaning
It's about
Greed, gluteny and materialistic children and parents who feel pressured by society to sometimes get into debt for what they think they should have "
It's not that way for me.
Christmas for me is spending time with my family and thinking about those of my family n friends I lost.
I don't send Christmas cards I visit those I love in Dec. My daugthers get a few small gifts off me. This year it's t-shirts for H and make up for R. I have a tree up and nice scented candles plus I will cook a turkey crown n all the trimmings. I'm now tee total so it's j2os for us.
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By (user no longer on site)
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For religious people it's a religious event either yours or someone else's... for western culture non religious people it's a complex family time where you try to involve everyone. For many alone it's a massive echo of how much they are alone, and consequently the cause or focus of a lot of depression.
For me it's a stress fest. never liked it even as a kid. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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But it's now generally thought that Christ was actually born in the Autumn...
Really? There is not the slightest bit of evidence that Jesus existed at all.
There are no Roman records, of any kind, that attest to the existence of Jesus. We have no birth certificate, no references to his works or deeds, no accounts of his trial, no description of his death - no reference to him whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. Jesus's name is not even mentioned in any Roman source of the first century.
The earliest sources of any sort only reference the clearly fictional Christ of Faith. These early sources, compiled decades after the alleged events, all stem from Christian authors eager to promote Christianity"
Either your theology lecturers were as thick as five short planks or you bought your degree in theology from a very dodgy university over the internet!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Well cutting-edge research suggests Jesus was born on Mars and Christmas has been hijacked by ISIS as a muslim festival in honour of polar bears!
Oh, and Brexit doesn't mean Brexit after all! There's no clue in the name at all! Brexit is a type of Brussel Sprout that's got diseased!
Good Grief! I really despair for the so-called intelligence of the human race!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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But it's now generally thought that Christ was actually born in the Autumn...
Really? There is not the slightest bit of evidence that Jesus existed at all.
There are no Roman records, of any kind, that attest to the existence of Jesus. We have no birth certificate, no references to his works or deeds, no accounts of his trial, no description of his death - no reference to him whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. Jesus's name is not even mentioned in any Roman source of the first century.
The earliest sources of any sort only reference the clearly fictional Christ of Faith. These early sources, compiled decades after the alleged events, all stem from Christian authors eager to promote Christianity
Either your theology lecturers were as thick as five short planks or you bought your degree in theology from a very dodgy university over the internet! "
Only Josephus makes any reference to Jesus.He's a bit dodgy though. |
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"I've been arguing with my pagan partner that Christmas has bugger all to do with Religion these days.
It's about family and other stuff these days.
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These days
I think humans have been making merry mid winter for millenia . I'd suggest humans will have been having a recognition of solar solstice since the time they realised they occur xx
This new age transient Christianity seriously won't last long xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The clues are in the word Christmas...
According to the last Census, less than 50% of people in Britain Identify themselves as believing in a religion. Where as EVERYBODY (almost ?) loves Xmas.
Cal"
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I don't |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Of course, the clue is in the name : Christmas. It has the word Christ in it for, well for Christs sake.
However, I am aware that in the days before Christianity, Pagans did have a midwinter festival at this time, which it seems has been hijacked by Christians.
As I understand, J.C. wasn't born on 25th December at all, but more likely earlier in the year, most likely the Autumn.
It is thought that the reason the 25th December was chosen to celebrate his birthday was in an effort to draw pagans into Christianity"
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Even Easter comes roughly on the spring equinox.... Come to think of it, what the fuck have chocolate bunny's got to do with anything..
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If anyone wants a dammed good party i recommend the solstice at the henge.... If you can't get in at the henge try the kings head |
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By (user no longer on site)
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But it's now generally thought that Christ was actually born in the Autumn...
Really? There is not the slightest bit of evidence that Jesus existed at all.
There are no Roman records, of any kind, that attest to the existence of Jesus. We have no birth certificate, no references to his works or deeds, no accounts of his trial, no description of his death - no reference to him whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. Jesus's name is not even mentioned in any Roman source of the first century.
The earliest sources of any sort only reference the clearly fictional Christ of Faith. These early sources, compiled decades after the alleged events, all stem from Christian authors eager to promote Christianity
Either your theology lecturers were as thick as five short planks or you bought your degree in theology from a very dodgy university over the internet! Only Josephus makes any reference to Jesus.He's a bit dodgy though."
I seem to remember my theology lecturers at London Uni claimed there was significantly more evidence than that from Josephus. There are letters between the Roman governors in Israel and Rome and in other parts of the Roman Empire which apparently make more than a passing reference to Jesus very shortly after his execution. The details of his crucifixion are typical of the Roman methods in Israel at the time. I think St Paul's letters and his arguments with St Peter over the right of non-Jews to be converted all add up. I think historians now struggle to deny the fact of Jesus as a historical character. What is crucial, and this is what is really at the crux of the matter, (no pun intended for Latin scholars,) is whether one believes in the fact of the ressurrected Jesus. If that's pure fiction, every Christian since year dot has been wasting their lives as one vicar once put it to me. If it isn't fiction, then the promises of Christ really do stand up and Christianity holds one of the keys to the most profound and extraordinary mysteries of nature. That it's far beyond our understanding isn't really a problem in a sense! We may be able to put robots on Mars but there's tons we don't understand. And I've had extraordinary supernatural experiences that no physicist could explain! With other people too, and without the involvement of alcohol or drugs!
So my understanding is that Jesus is unquestionably a historic figure. The only useful debate is over the question of his resurrection which, frankly, no-one knows for certain, not even the Pope.
Simply put, if the resurrection is fiction, Christians are fools wasting their time!
If it's fact, well, Christians will be able to say 'told you so' to everyone else in the afterlife and non-Christians are going to get a very big surprise!
And the fun of it? None of us will know the answer till we're dead! Ha! |
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Please tell me of the big surprise us non Christians are getting!Is it a cake in heaven for healthy skeptism in the face of the insane ramblings of bronze age desert folk. |
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Simply put, if the resurrection is fiction, Christians are fools wasting their time!
If it's fact, well, Christians will be able to say 'told you so' to everyone else in the afterlife and non-Christians are going to get a very big surprise!
And the fun of it? None of us will know the answer till we're dead! Ha! "
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I don't think most historians doubt his existence... His sanity maybe, his powers of feeding hundreds with a couple of fishes, definitely, his ability to walk on water, absolutely!.
I've never really had a problem with anything Jesus reportedly said, whether he existed not, however 99.999% of proclaimed Christians don't really pay any attention to what he said, christanity as a religion is just bollocks of the highest order, it's just man made bigotry, racism, sexisim, murder and mayhem, it's utter drivel |
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By (user no longer on site)
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But it's now generally thought that Christ was actually born in the Autumn...
Really? There is not the slightest bit of evidence that Jesus existed at all.
There are no Roman records, of any kind, that attest to the existence of Jesus. We have no birth certificate, no references to his works or deeds, no accounts of his trial, no description of his death - no reference to him whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. Jesus's name is not even mentioned in any Roman source of the first century.
The earliest sources of any sort only reference the clearly fictional Christ of Faith. These early sources, compiled decades after the alleged events, all stem from Christian authors eager to promote Christianity"
Read my post again. You will note that I said 'It is generally thought'
I was not making a concrete statement of fact or anything suggesting anything like that - merely highlighting that Christmas Day itself was never thought to be an actual anniversary of 'his' birth.
As an Atheist I really couldn't give a monkey's if there was anyone called Jesus Christ who did or did not exist
I seem to remember this was once mentioned on QI |
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"Please tell me of the big surprise us non Christians are getting!Is it a cake in heaven for healthy skeptism in the face of the insane ramblings of bronze age desert folk."
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Fire and brimstone for you I'm afraid..... An eternity of suffering.
I often wonder what sort of supreme know it all fuck wit god would dream up a penalty of eternal sufferege |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's just a huge commercial guilt trip driven by huge corporates to get people to spend money they don't have on people they'd never piss on in the street at any other time of the year. I fucking hate it all. |
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By *entenTeaCouple
over a year ago
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I think its all prespectives. A Christian festival celebrating the arrrival of his incarnate presence and a reminder to show charity and mercey. The european pagan celebration of the winter solstis and family unity. The commerialised clamour and noise. We can all take from it what we will. It a festival for every man. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's just a huge commercial guilt trip driven by huge corporates to get people to spend money they don't have on people they'd never piss on in the street at any other time of the year. I fucking hate it all. "
Its only like that if you let it be though.
Its not at all like that for us. Its a fun happy loving family time where we spend time together while we are off work and we buy carefully chosen gifts to give to loved ones.
For hubby and i its also a time to relax together and enjoy watching sport. We have days out together and we meet up with friends. It's wonderful
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Fire and brimstone for you I'm afraid..... An eternity of suffering.
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An eternity of suffering would be stuck forever in a place run by joyless fucking Christians....besides, all you sinners are going to the basement where its warm |
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Was a Pagan festival long before christianity claimed it as a religious holiday.First it was Saint Nicholas of Myra who gave gifts to the poor in 4th century Turkey.
Now you get told it was the birth of Christ and the presents are a symbol of the 3 wisemen handing over gifts.
Now it is a time of year where parents put themselves in debt to make sure the kids get what they want.I know I am one of those parents. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Now it is a time of year where parents put themselves in debt to make sure the kids get what they want.I know I am one of those parents."
Why? Does buying kids everything they want make them happy?
My daughter got to know pretty early on that she got what I could afford to get her. |
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"Now it is a time of year where parents put themselves in debt to make sure the kids get what they want.I know I am one of those parents.
Why? Does buying kids everything they want make them happy?
My daughter got to know pretty early on that she got what I could afford to get her. "
Why as every parents is different , I only see my kids at the weekends so yes I will go out my way to spoil them at Christmas and if that means a few months of paying off debt so be it. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Now it is a time of year where parents put themselves in debt to make sure the kids get what they want.I know I am one of those parents.
Why? Does buying kids everything they want make them happy?
My daughter got to know pretty early on that she got what I could afford to get her.
Why as every parents is different , I only see my kids at the weekends so yes I will go out my way to spoil them at Christmas and if that means a few months of paying off debt so be it."
You can spoil your kids without going into debt. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I agree it was a pagan festival in the mid winter to consume food that wouldn't last the winter and so it brought everyone together to share food n time together in the long winters |
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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago
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its whatever you want it to be, or not..im a winter solstice girl, oh the rising of the new sun cycle and all that..however, as father christmas' roots are based on siberian shamanism and psychedelic mushrooms..and altered states including bliss/ happiness i'm cool with him too x |
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"its whatever you want it to be, or not..im a winter solstice girl, oh the rising of the new sun cycle and all that..however, as father christmas' roots are based on siberian shamanism and psychedelic mushrooms..and altered states including bliss/ happiness i'm cool with him too x"
Isn't he supposed to be Saint Nicholas? The red coat was by Coca Cola. |
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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago
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"its whatever you want it to be, or not..im a winter solstice girl, oh the rising of the new sun cycle and all that..however, as father christmas' roots are based on siberian shamanism and psychedelic mushrooms..and altered states including bliss/ happiness i'm cool with him too x
Isn't he supposed to be Saint Nicholas? The red coat was by Coca Cola."
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"its whatever you want it to be, or not..im a winter solstice girl, oh the rising of the new sun cycle and all that..however, as father christmas' roots are based on siberian shamanism and psychedelic mushrooms..and altered states including bliss/ happiness i'm cool with him too x
Isn't he supposed to be Saint Nicholas? The red coat was by Coca Cola.there speaks a man of 'education' "
What are you on about?
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"its whatever you want it to be, or not..im a winter solstice girl, oh the rising of the new sun cycle and all that..however, as father christmas' roots are based on siberian shamanism and psychedelic mushrooms..and altered states including bliss/ happiness i'm cool with him too x
Isn't he supposed to be Saint Nicholas? The red coat was by Coca Cola.there speaks a man of 'education' "
Santa means Saint and Claus is the nickname for Nicholas. |
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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago
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"its whatever you want it to be, or not..im a winter solstice girl, oh the rising of the new sun cycle and all that..however, as father christmas' roots are based on siberian shamanism and psychedelic mushrooms..and altered states including bliss/ happiness i'm cool with him too x
Isn't he supposed to be Saint Nicholas? The red coat was by Coca Cola.there speaks a man of 'education'
What are you on about?
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"its whatever you want it to be, or not..im a winter solstice girl, oh the rising of the new sun cycle and all that..however, as father christmas' roots are based on siberian shamanism and psychedelic mushrooms..and altered states including bliss/ happiness i'm cool with him too x
Isn't he supposed to be Saint Nicholas? The red coat was by Coca Cola.there speaks a man of 'education'
What are you on about?
..sorry ill use fewer syllables next time"
I understood the words just fine, though you never seemed to reply to anything l said, rather you insulted. That's okay. Some people do that when they feel silly. |
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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago
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"its whatever you want it to be, or not..im a winter solstice girl, oh the rising of the new sun cycle and all that..however, as father christmas' roots are based on siberian shamanism and psychedelic mushrooms..and altered states including bliss/ happiness i'm cool with him too x
Isn't he supposed to be Saint Nicholas? The red coat was by Coca Cola.there speaks a man of 'education'
What are you on about?
..sorry ill use fewer syllables next time
I understood the words just fine, though you never seemed to reply to anything l said, rather you insulted. That's okay. Some people do that when they feel silly."
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"Was a Pagan festival long before christianity claimed it as a religious holiday.First it was Saint Nicholas of Myra who gave gifts to the poor in 4th century Turkey.
Now you get told it was the birth of Christ and the presents are a symbol of the 3 wisemen handing over gifts.
Now it is a time of year where parents put themselves in debt to make sure the kids get what they want.I know I am one of those parents."
I didn't put myself into debt. I had more than enough money to get my children presents. So did my family and friends. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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The giving of presents was celebrated three weeks before the 25th on Saint Nicholas day to comemerate him giving the gifts to three poor maidens to allow them to have a dowry to marry .this was assimilated by the the Lutherans and moved to the 25th to coincide with the winter solstice celebrations .clever folk in the church very commercially minded even in those days |
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According to Sheldon Cooper
Xmas is the ancient pagan festival of Saturnalia.
In the pre-Christian era, as the winter solstice approached and the plants died, pagans brought evergreen boughs into their homes as an act of sympathetic magic, intended to guard the life essences of the plants until spring. This custom was later appropriated by Northern Europeans and eventually it becomes the so-called Christmas tree. |
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"The giving of presents was celebrated three weeks before the 25th on Saint Nicholas day to comemerate him giving the gifts to three poor maidens to allow them to have a dowry to marry .this was assimilated by the the Lutherans and moved to the 25th to coincide with the winter solstice celebrations .clever folk in the church very commercially minded even in those days "
In Holland and some other countries they still celebrate St Nicholas Day early in December more than Christmas Day. |
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The modern Christmas had very little to do with religion unless you let it. People still go to mass and all sorts but for me as a committed atheist it isn't. The giving of presents has been around for a long time but not always by santa. I'm Scandinavia it was the yule goat that walked round with a sack giving presents to children in person. That also explains why rather than having presents appearing on the Christmas morning, Scandinavian children meet santa and get given their presents. Obviously commercialism had taken over but I love Christmas. Twinkling lights, bling and too much food. You can't go wrong really |
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My thoughts are that yes, technically, it us a religious festival.
We're not religious, so for us its to enjoy spending time with family and friends, choosing presents and watching the joy of them being opened. It's not about the amount of money, but the thought and buying something they probably wouldn't get for themselves.
I've spoken to people at work who follow other religions who also see it in a similar way, with or without gifts. Most people get time off work so it's a great opportunity to spend time with those you care about... And make the most of the sales
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It's true shamans in Siberia wore red cloaks climbed into teepees through the chimmeny as entrance was blocked with snow handed out magic mushrooms.Worshipped reindeer as spirit guides. The mushrooms helped with the flying reindeer thing.It's all pagan. Dressing up a fir Tree is pagan. It's a great time to get d*unk and fight with family over brexit and feel fat high on mushrooms. |
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I have no idea what or who Christmas is supposed to represent/mean anymore so I just avoid it like the plague, and wish the 27th would come around so it can all be boxed away again for a few months.
Easter Eggs anyone? |
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Wow this has got heated, here's an idea.
Relax, enjoy the time in a way that suits you and your loved ones.
Nobody will force you to believe in Jesus.
Nobody will force you to a Pagan sacrifice.
Nobody will force you into debt.
'Tis the season to be jolly (Please !)
Merry Christmases everybody xxx |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"According to Sheldon Cooper
Xmas is the ancient pagan festival of Saturnalia.
In the pre-Christian era, as the winter solstice approached and the plants died, pagans brought evergreen boughs into their homes as an act of sympathetic magic, intended to guard the life essences of the plants until spring. This custom was later appropriated by Northern Europeans and eventually it becomes the so-called Christmas tree. "
Saturnalia originated in Rome, so not so much with the dying greenery, as cypresses and laurels are evergreen. The Christmas Tree originated in Germany, and was brought over here by Prince George, Queen Victoria's husband. |
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The clue is sort of in the name......
CHRIST MASS.
How it is celebrated is up to the individual....
It never was pagan ...... the traditions that remain and have been assimilated into the christian festival were pagan. |
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"Saying all I did, when I was a school we always used to sing hymns and carols and do the manger play and stuff and kids these days don't do that as much I think. "
I can't stop laughing at the 'manger play and stuff' ....... |
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"its whatever you want it to be, or not..im a winter solstice girl, oh the rising of the new sun cycle and all that..however, as father christmas' roots are based on siberian shamanism and psychedelic mushrooms..and altered states including bliss/ happiness i'm cool with him too x
Isn't he supposed to be Saint Nicholas? The red coat was by Coca Cola.there speaks a man of 'education'
What are you on about?
..sorry ill use fewer syllables next time
I understood the words just fine, though you never seemed to reply to anything l said, rather you insulted. That's okay. Some people do that when they feel silly."
I agree with everything you've said.
Coca Cola are responsible for the red outfit. In earlier times his garbs were green. I think he went red in the 30's Im not sure but I won't be checking cos I CBA |
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"Wow this has got heated, here's an idea.
Relax, enjoy the time in a way that suits you and your loved ones.
Nobody will force you to believe in Jesus.
Nobody will force you to a Pagan sacrifice.
Nobody will force you into debt.
'Tis the season to be jolly (Please !)
Merry Christmases everybody xxx"
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Coca Cola are responsible for the red outfit. In earlier times his garbs were green. I think he went red in the 30's Im not sure but I won't be checking cos I CBA "
This one has been debunked by Snopes:
Illustrations of lavishly bearded Santas (and his predecessors), showing figures clothed in red suits and red hats with white fur trimming, held together with broad black belts, were common long before Coca-Cola's first Santa Claus advertisement appeared in 1931, as evidenced by illustrations on Christmas cards from 1906, 1908, and 1925. |
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"Coca Cola are responsible for the red outfit. In earlier times his garbs were green. I think he went red in the 30's Im not sure but I won't be checking cos I CBA
This one has been debunked by Snopes:
Illustrations of lavishly bearded Santas (and his predecessors), showing figures clothed in red suits and red hats with white fur trimming, held together with broad black belts, were common long before Coca-Cola's first Santa Claus advertisement appeared in 1931, as evidenced by illustrations on Christmas cards from 1906, 1908, and 1925."
You just HAD to go n do it ...... Now I'll have to check.
I'd say the popularised or cemented the idea firmly into our tiny minds because he just doesn't come in any other colour.
I've got things to do...... |
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"It's a pagan festival of mid winter.The early church would have nothing to do with it.All the symbolism is pagan.It got hijacked by christanity as they needed a date for Christ's birth and the bible says nothing so they made it up.Standard practice."
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Coca Cola are responsible for the red outfit. In earlier times his garbs were green. I think he went red in the 30's Im not sure but I won't be checking cos I CBA
This one has been debunked by Snopes:
Illustrations of lavishly bearded Santas (and his predecessors), showing figures clothed in red suits and red hats with white fur trimming, held together with broad black belts, were common long before Coca-Cola's first Santa Claus advertisement appeared in 1931, as evidenced by illustrations on Christmas cards from 1906, 1908, and 1925.
You just HAD to go n do it ...... Now I'll have to check.
I'd say the popularised or cemented the idea firmly into our tiny minds because he just doesn't come in any other colour.
I've got things to do......"
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Good article on BBC ......
Red comes from robes n St. Nicholas. which alllllllllllllll changed over the years. Bishops hat n mitre changed over the years to become santas fluffy hat ...... AND bbc say ... Coca Cola cemented this idea with 30 years of ads. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
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"Good article on BBC ......
Red comes from robes n St. Nicholas. which alllllllllllllll changed over the years. Bishops hat n mitre changed over the years to become santas fluffy hat ...... AND bbc say ... Coca Cola cemented this idea with 30 years of ads. "
And are still doing it now, although I haven't seen the Coca Cola truck ad yet, so it's not Christmas in my house. |
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I just think it's great that people are free to decide if it is a religious event or not and that you can enjoy whichever bits you want, or completely ignore it (if you can avoid inevitable traffic jams near shopping centres).
I can't imagine living in a country that persecuted you because you didn't follow a particular religious (or indeed atheist) doctrine. |
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