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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I took and passed the IAM advanced driving test 20 years ago and as a result I am constatnly monitoring my own driving and aiming to be as safe as possible.
I wouldn't consider myself an excellent driver, but, by the very fact that I continue to strive to improve and take positive steps to do so, I would considermyself better than average.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Probably average, I do a lot of driving but have to drive a lot steadier these days due to all the extra weight I lug around....speed bumps are a real pain now  |
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over a year ago
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"Probably average, I do a lot of driving but have to drive a lot steadier these days due to all the extra weight I lug around....speed bumps are a real pain now "
i imagine you have a heavy arse that likes to step out round the corners too  |
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over a year ago
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"Probably average, I do a lot of driving but have to drive a lot steadier these days due to all the extra weight I lug around....speed bumps are a real pain now
i imagine you have a heavy arse that likes to step out round the corners too "
I've never thought to add it all up....
Subs - 35kg each so 70kg
Batteries- 25kg each so 50kg
Amp -15kg
Sub enclosure - probably around 25kg
Think there's 18m of 50mm cable too so that will be a bit.
Plus 6mm if deadening all round.
So yeah....it's heavy |
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"I took and passed the IAM advanced driving test 20 years ago and as a result I am constatnly monitoring my own driving and aiming to be as safe as possible.
I wouldn't consider myself an excellent driver, but, by the very fact that I continue to strive to improve and take positive steps to do so, I would considermyself better than average.
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 this; when you do "advanced " driving training, one of the key things you go away with is to constantly self- evaluate. Most of us do a " refresher " session with an instructor every so often to pick up the bad habits that emerge ( if you do ROSPA you have to retake your advanced test every 3 years anyway to stay current) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i can drive ...but i dont drive as i know i am a danger to the roads
totally not confident ....so stay clear "
Don't blame yourself for other people crashing while they are admiring you |
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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago
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Opinions about driving are really subjective. How many men are going to say that they are not better than average? Very few.
We've got some responses saying they drive this or that and they obviously think they are better drivers. Well, skillful doesn't mean better. Every day we see lorry drivers who are no doubt skillful and the ability is there but they are dreadful drivers on the road.
On the other hand we have a lady who has given a modest answer which may indicate her less than skillful ability but her consideration, lawful driving may make her a better driver in other peoples' minds.
All a bit subjective.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have a licence that covers me to drive any vehicle permitted on UK roads .....
But ask me to reverse an articulated lorry and my arse crack fills with sweat and I lose all ability to accomplish the task with any degree of competence...
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"Opinions about driving are really subjective. How many men are going to say that they are not better than average? Very few.
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That's right because just basic maths means any man can say he is above average, as he is going to be in the top 50% of the overall population 
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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago
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"Me. I let people in and across the road when it doesn't impede. I also don't hold traffic up, use my phone or constantly sit on my brakes. Do I pass?"
Maybe, but I can use my phone, do a hand signal and eat a sandwich while negotiating traffic during the rush hour, so that makes me better than average. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"Me. I let people in and across the road when it doesn't impede. I also don't hold traffic up, use my phone or constantly sit on my brakes. Do I pass?
Maybe, but I can use my phone, do a hand signal and eat a sandwich while negotiating traffic during the rush hour, so that makes me better than average."
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"Opinions about driving are really subjective. How many men are going to say that they are not better than average? Very few.
We've got some responses saying they drive this or that and they obviously think they are better drivers. Well, skillful doesn't mean better. Every day we see lorry drivers who are no doubt skillful and the ability is there but they are dreadful drivers on the road.
On the other hand we have a lady who has given a modest answer which may indicate her less than skillful ability but her consideration, lawful driving may make her a better driver in other peoples' minds.
All a bit subjective.
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This
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"Who here is a better than average driver? "
It depends on what you say the average is.
I personally feel the level of driving in general is decreasing. Less and less people seem to be capable of being aware of others. More and more are trying to get everywhere so quickly you would think their lives depended on it.
I feel I drive consistently and with consideration to others. I study the road ahead and take action early. I don't race up behind the car in front at roundabouts which allow.s others to filter. I drive within my ability and those of the car and conditions. But most of all I enjoy driving and as such try to have a nice calm relax experience when I drive.
If that makes better than average then I would say I am. If not then no worries.
In response to the IAM and ROSPA comment. A ex-police driving instructor said the ROSPA system was a better standard as you have to renew it every three years.
He also assessed me at the same as a class 1 police driver.
So you make you judgement. |
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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago
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"Who here is a better than average driver?
It depends on what you say the average is.
I personally feel the level of driving in general is decreasing. Less and less people seem to be capable of being aware of others. More and more are trying to get everywhere so quickly you would think their lives depended on it.
I feel I drive consistently and with consideration to others. I study the road ahead and take action early. I don't race up behind the car in front at roundabouts which allow.s others to filter. I drive within my ability and those of the car and conditions. But most of all I enjoy driving and as such try to have a nice calm relax experience when I drive.
If that makes better than average then I would say I am. If not then no worries.
In response to the IAM and ROSPA comment. A ex-police driving instructor said the ROSPA system was a better standard as you have to renew it every three years.
He also assessed me at the same as a class 1 police driver.
So you make you judgement."
I'm very familiar with the police method of driving and I wouldn't say that class 1 drivers are particularly worthy of note. The police system is very outdated, the system was devised with old 1930's 40's Wolsey type cars with antiquated steering and braking. Many RoSPA and IAM guys would agree that it is outdated and unsuited for modern vehicles and traffic, but like a lot of other things, the old Bill won't change it. I've been with "class 1" drivers who were not that good and some who were brilliant, the grading is really meaningless.
It's attitude, courtesy and consideration before one gets behind the wheel that is so important but lacking today. |
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"Who here is a better than average driver?
It depends on what you say the average is.
I personally feel the level of driving in general is decreasing. Less and less people seem to be capable of being aware of others. More and more are trying to get everywhere so quickly you would think their lives depended on it.
I feel I drive consistently and with consideration to others. I study the road ahead and take action early. I don't race up behind the car in front at roundabouts which allow.s others to filter. I drive within my ability and those of the car and conditions. But most of all I enjoy driving and as such try to have a nice calm relax experience when I drive.
If that makes better than average then I would say I am. If not then no worries.
In response to the IAM and ROSPA comment. A ex-police driving instructor said the ROSPA system was a better standard as you have to renew it every three years.
He also assessed me at the same as a class 1 police driver.
So you make you judgement.
I'm very familiar with the police method of driving and I wouldn't say that class 1 drivers are particularly worthy of note. The police system is very outdated, the system was devised with old 1930's 40's Wolsey type cars with antiquated steering and braking. Many RoSPA and IAM guys would agree that it is outdated and unsuited for modern vehicles and traffic, but like a lot of other things, the old Bill won't change it. I've been with "class 1" drivers who were not that good and some who were brilliant, the grading is really meaningless.
It's attitude, courtesy and consideration before one gets behind the wheel that is so important but lacking today."
Interesting what you said about the police having an outdated system. As far as I am aware it has been updated as times have changed. And the police handbook is thebook which a lot of RoSPA drivers use to prepare them for assessment. I would like to understand why you feel it is outdated?
Anyway the main issue with driving standards today is the lack of spatial awareness and the conditions of the traffic and the road around them. To many drivers do not know who is around them or how much space they need and how to drive without impacting on others. |
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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago
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Interesting what you said about the police having an outdated system. As far as I am aware it has been updated as times have changed. And the police handbook is thebook which a lot of RoSPA drivers use to prepare them for assessment. I would like to understand why you feel it is outdated?
OK, The system still teaches older techniques,let's pick two:
Steering: They still require push - pull on the steering wheel. This was because of the old heavy steering on the big old cars. Whilst this is suitable most of the time, in some cases it is inconvenient and cumbersome, most police drivers forget this after they've passed their test or qualification.
Engine braking: Gear boxes and clutches these days are magnificent. There is much greater degree of car control on deceleration using the gears and braking rather than the old method of braking and at the point of accelerating select the appropriate gear. It really was devised for heavy booted coppers who burnt out clutches and ruined expensive gear boxes. I know the IAM guys much prefer engine braking but will certainly accept the former method. |
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OK, The system still teaches older techniques,let's pick two:
Steering: They still require push - pull on the steering wheel. This was because of the old heavy steering on the big old cars. Whilst this is suitable most of the time, in some cases it is inconvenient and cumbersome, most police drivers forget this after they've passed their test or qualification.
Engine braking: Gear boxes and clutches these days are magnificent. There is much greater degree of car control on deceleration using the gears and braking rather than the old method of braking and at the point of accelerating select the appropriate gear. It really was devised for heavy booted coppers who burnt out clutches and ruined expensive gear boxes. I know the IAM guys much prefer engine braking but will certainly accept the former method."
Thanks for the reply. I understand where you are coming from. I would like to say that I feel the push pull when only using one hand at a time is very efficient and effective. The problem is not everyone know how to do it properly. My biggest concern with steering is the number of drivers trying to drive whilst holding a phone or a big e cigarette whilst still trying to drive.
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OK, The system still teaches older techniques,let's pick two:
Steering: They still require push - pull on the steering wheel. This was because of the old heavy steering on the big old cars. Whilst this is suitable most of the time, in some cases it is inconvenient and cumbersome, most police drivers forget this after they've passed their test or qualification.
Engine braking: Gear boxes and clutches these days are magnificent. There is much greater degree of car control on deceleration using the gears and braking rather than the old method of braking and at the point of accelerating select the appropriate gear. It really was devised for heavy booted coppers who burnt out clutches and ruined expensive gear boxes. I know the IAM guys much prefer engine braking but will certainly accept the former method.
Thanks for the reply. I understand where you are coming from. I would like to say that I feel the push pull when only using one hand at a time is very efficient and effective. The problem is not everyone know how to do it properly. My biggest concern with steering is the number of drivers trying to drive whilst holding a phone or a big e cigarette whilst still trying to drive.
Are you an IAM or RoSPA member yourself?"
If you are concerned with " push pull " steering, or the combination of brakes/ gears for speed control; then you have completely missed the point about advanced driving;
The point about advanced driving is
Anticipation;
Observation;
Planning ;
Information ( TUG -Take, Use, Give)
Positioning/ view
Correct use of gears for maximum flexibility;
IPSGA
Smoothness,
It doesnt matter a damn which philosophy of gears/ brakes you use.....
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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago
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OK, The system still teaches older techniques,let's pick two:
Steering: They still require push - pull on the steering wheel. This was because of the old heavy steering on the big old cars. Whilst this is suitable most of the time, in some cases it is inconvenient and cumbersome, most police drivers forget this after they've passed their test or qualification.
Engine braking: Gear boxes and clutches these days are magnificent. There is much greater degree of car control on deceleration using the gears and braking rather than the old method of braking and at the point of accelerating select the appropriate gear. It really was devised for heavy booted coppers who burnt out clutches and ruined expensive gear boxes. I know the IAM guys much prefer engine braking but will certainly accept the former method.
Thanks for the reply. I understand where you are coming from. I would like to say that I feel the push pull when only using one hand at a time is very efficient and effective. The problem is not everyone know how to do it properly. My biggest concern with steering is the number of drivers trying to drive whilst holding a phone or a big e cigarette whilst still trying to drive.
Are you an IAM or RoSPA member yourself?
If you are concerned with " push pull " steering, or the combination of brakes/ gears for speed control; then you have completely missed the point about advanced driving;
The point about advanced driving is
Anticipation;
Observation;
Planning ;
Information ( TUG -Take, Use, Give)
Positioning/ view
Correct use of gears for maximum flexibility;
IPSGA
Smoothness,
It doesnt matter a damn which philosophy of gears/ brakes you use.....
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Yes it does
It matters a lot.
Whilst your listings are certainly items to include in safe and above average driving my points merely show that the old "class 1 " police method is outdated.
You've completely lost the thread here.
Do your comments really prove that when it comes to driving the male ego is very high?? Read all of the thread and perhaps you will understand! |
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OK, The system still teaches older techniques,let's pick two:
Steering: They still require push - pull on the steering wheel. This was because of the old heavy steering on the big old cars. Whilst this is suitable most of the time, in some cases it is inconvenient and cumbersome, most police drivers forget this after they've passed their test or qualification.
Engine braking: Gear boxes and clutches these days are magnificent. There is much greater degree of car control on deceleration using the gears and braking rather than the old method of braking and at the point of accelerating select the appropriate gear. It really was devised for heavy booted coppers who burnt out clutches and ruined expensive gear boxes. I know the IAM guys much prefer engine braking but will certainly accept the former method.
Thanks for the reply. I understand where you are coming from. I would like to say that I feel the push pull when only using one hand at a time is very efficient and effective. The problem is not everyone know how to do it properly. My biggest concern with steering is the number of drivers trying to drive whilst holding a phone or a big e cigarette whilst still trying to drive.
Are you an IAM or RoSPA member yourself?
If you are concerned with " push pull " steering, or the combination of brakes/ gears for speed control; then you have completely missed the point about advanced driving;
The point about advanced driving is
Anticipation;
Observation;
Planning ;
Information ( TUG -Take, Use, Give)
Positioning/ view
Correct use of gears for maximum flexibility;
IPSGA
Smoothness,
It doesnt matter a damn which philosophy of gears/ brakes you use.....
Yes it does
It matters a lot.
Whilst your listings are certainly items to include in safe and above average driving my points merely show that the old "class 1 " police method is outdated.
You've completely lost the thread here.
Do your comments really prove that when it comes to driving the male ego is very high?? Read all of the thread and perhaps you will understand!"
Nonsense
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