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"It's the job of the NHS to chase up reimbursements from other EU countries for treatment, according to reports they only get in around 12%.......whereas the Spanish managed in 2015 to retrieve in excess of 80% from the NHS for treatment to Brits who live in or visit Spain.... That's the fault of the NHS...." This is what I was thinking... | |||
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"There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years. Mrs X " I'm completely fine with health tourism, so long as said people show their I.D and our NHS/government services use that to charge the treatment fee to their private insurance or to their equivalent of the NHS. The French, Dutch, Danes and Spanish do it, so should we. | |||
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"It's the job of the NHS to chase up reimbursements from other EU countries for treatment, according to reports they only get in around 12%.......whereas the Spanish managed in 2015 to retrieve in excess of 80% from the NHS for treatment to Brits who live in or visit Spain.... That's the fault of the NHS...." Or possibly the UK are better at paying due invoices than other countries. | |||
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view? "I hope so. | |||
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"So if you are a low income family, don't have a passport and get ill you have to find £85 and wait 2 weeks (if you are lucky) to receive your passport before yiu can use the nhs? Lets hope no one in that situation suffers a burst appendix, broken bone, laceration, heart attack, stroke....to mention a few" Emergency treatment will still be given. | |||
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"So if you are a low income family, don't have a passport and get ill you have to find £85 and wait 2 weeks (if you are lucky) to receive your passport before yiu can use the nhs? Lets hope no one in that situation suffers a burst appendix, broken bone, laceration, heart attack, stroke....to mention a few" You just need proof of residency. And it's not for emergencies. I'll help you down off your high horse if you like...... come on ... easy does it.. | |||
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"We had a consultant at our hospital who lived over the road they came from saudie , he admitted that she came over here to have her children because they didn't have to pay " When I worked in oil and gas someone told me similar. Americans would sometimes bring their wives over to have children as it was free here. These people were usually in very well paid jobs. | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved." They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... | |||
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"So if you are a low income family, don't have a passport and get ill you have to find £85 and wait 2 weeks (if you are lucky) to receive your passport before yiu can use the nhs? Lets hope no one in that situation suffers a burst appendix, broken bone, laceration, heart attack, stroke....to mention a few You just need proof of residency. And it's not for emergencies. I'll help you down off your high horse if you like...... come on ... easy does it.." More a knackered old donkey than high horse....but thanks for helping the dismount, I've been stuck on it for ages | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup..." Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted? | |||
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"Well if the NHS had a proper system ; this would not be necessary. Here, I have a Health card; it has my photo and my Social Security number on it; It also has a VIP and pin; so my entitlement can be checked by simply putting it in a reader ( which are in every doctors, hospital, dentist, health centre or provider, and pharmacy.) It also accesses my health records, so wherever I go, the doctor/ hospital can check my prescriptions, health history etc ( and next of kin) But UK couldn't possibly make such a simple system work." They should get Google to manage it. They know every damned thing about every person on the planet. The NHS probably sell them our medical data too. | |||
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"It will be any legally accepted original paper form of residency and identity. " or plastic driving licence, maybe. | |||
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"It's the job of the NHS to chase up reimbursements from other EU countries for treatment, according to reports they only get in around 12%.......whereas the Spanish managed in 2015 to retrieve in excess of 80% from the NHS for treatment to Brits who live in or visit Spain.... That's the fault of the NHS.... Or possibly the UK are better at paying due invoices than other countries." sadly not the reason. Other countries have entire departments whose sole job is for insurance cover. The NHS doesn't have this. The claims seem to float around with no one taking responsibility or without knowledge or understanding in how to claim effectively. I worked abroad and every year the local hospitals would wine and dine us in order to get the "business". As sad as that sounds, it ultimately resulted in excellent care for the patients and an extremely wealthy health system. | |||
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"It will be any legally accepted original paper form of residency and identity. " There will be a fair amount of British residents who wouldn't then be able to access the national health service - which was specifically put in place to help people like them. | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?" or people could be given some universal id at 18 | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18" Like a National Insurance card? | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?" Etc. is an abbreviation for et cetera and is defined as meaning and so forth. An example of the usage of etc. is in the sentence, "Please purchase some fruit such as apples, oranges, etc.," which means "Please purchase some fruit such as apples, oranges and more." Happy to help  | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted? Etc. is an abbreviation for et cetera and is defined as meaning and so forth. An example of the usage of etc. is in the sentence, "Please purchase some fruit such as apples, oranges, etc.," which means "Please purchase some fruit such as apples, oranges and more." Happy to help "I understand the meaning of 'etc'. Proof of residency is basically household bills, driving license, or passport. Many, many people don't have those things. | |||
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"It will be any legally accepted original paper form of residency and identity. There will be a fair amount of British residents who wouldn't then be able to access the national health service - which was specifically put in place to help people like them." Tough Titty | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card?" see how easy it was  | |||
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"So if you are a low income family, don't have a passport and get ill you have to find £85 and wait 2 weeks (if you are lucky) to receive your passport before yiu can use the nhs? Lets hope no one in that situation suffers a burst appendix, broken bone, laceration, heart attack, stroke....to mention a few You just need proof of residency. And it's not for emergencies. I'll help you down off your high horse if you like...... come on ... easy does it.. More a knackered old donkey than high horse....but thanks for helping the dismount, I've been stuck on it for ages" I hope it's a strong donkey, it'll be getting no rest on here... | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card?" Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago. | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted? Etc. is an abbreviation for et cetera and is defined as meaning and so forth. An example of the usage of etc. is in the sentence, "Please purchase some fruit such as apples, oranges, etc.," which means "Please purchase some fruit such as apples, oranges and more." Happy to help
I understand the meaning of 'etc'. "*applauds generously. | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card? Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago." Also - National Insurance cards are no longer issued to people automatically. (At all?) | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card? Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago." Mine's in my card wallet with my other cards. | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card? Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago. Mine's in my card wallet with my other cards." They're essentially a worthless and pointless item. They don't give you any information other than your NI number, and they don't prove that you are who you say you are. They certainly don't prove you're resident in the UK at the moment. | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card? Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago. Also - National Insurance cards are no longer issued to people automatically. (At all?)" Do they have your photo on them now days? Mine certainly hasn't Perhaps i can borrow someones so i can see the doc? | |||
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"Before it could be implemented everyone would be required to have some type of officially recognised photo ID and that would involve making sure every person in the country was given a provision to such a service,,,, That aint gonna happen... "It's simple to do; ( but not for the chaotic UK). Everyone who drives has a photo card; everyone who has a bank has a chip and pin card. The UK used to issue a " national health card" ( plastic credit card size) with your National Health number on it ( I still have mine somewhere) but I think they gave up on that. Other advantage here is that every medicine and every treatment is costed; so it's incredibly easy for me to see exactly how much has been spent on me; and the government can check the nations health costs, exactly, to the penny ( well to the €) The UK hasn't got a fucking clue how much anything costs. Or how much has been spent. | |||
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"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx" I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card? Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago." How do people "sign on" these days? Surely there's a residency check there? Or are we giving that away to? | |||
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"We could all just be chipped at birth. Little chip under the skin and your sorted" Some people have a chip on their shoulder. | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card? Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago. How do people "sign on" these days? Surely there's a residency check there? Or are we giving that away to?" I had big problems providing relevant documentation last time I tried to sign on. I was homeless and couldn't satisfy all the demands. | |||
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"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt " No it wouldn't. A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104. | |||
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"We could all just be chipped at birth. Little chip under the skin and your sorted Some people have a chip on their shoulder. " i wouldnt want to be carrying something that heavy around with me | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card? Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago. How do people "sign on" these days? Surely there's a residency check there? Or are we giving that away to?" Yes, there is a residency check. The quantity of documents they demand when you apply for any benefit is eye-watering. | |||
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"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt No it wouldn't. A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104." Well I wish you had told me that before , or my doc had x | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card? Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago." I don't think I ever got one I just had my ni number drummed into by my mother! Xxx | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card? Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago. How do people "sign on" these days? Surely there's a residency check there? Or are we giving that away to? I had big problems providing relevant documentation last time I tried to sign on. I was homeless and couldn't satisfy all the demands." I thought you might have. | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?" You should live in a technologically advanced country where stuff is actually done online; So I can show my tax bills; utilities bills, car insurance documents, and so on, on my phone and it's accepted as an original document. And some of the functionality of my chip and pin Health card will be available on my phone too, next year. | |||
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"We could all just be chipped at birth. Little chip under the skin and your sorted Some people have a chip on their shoulder. i wouldnt want to be carrying something that heavy around with me" It's not physical - it's in their heads. | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted? You should live in a technologically advanced country where stuff is actually done online; So I can show my tax bills; utilities bills, car insurance documents, and so on, on my phone and it's accepted as an original document. And some of the functionality of my chip and pin Health card will be available on my phone too, next year." It would probably be against someone's human rights...  | |||
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"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt No it wouldn't. A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104." Is that how you do it now? I've not lived in England for nearly 25 years.  xxx | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card? Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago. How do people "sign on" these days? Surely there's a residency check there? Or are we giving that away to? I had big problems providing relevant documentation last time I tried to sign on. I was homeless and couldn't satisfy all the demands. I thought you might have. " You have to provide a passport or driving license, then proof of DOB (birth or marriage certs - adoption wasn't acceptable and many people aren't married), and proof of address via paper household bill or bank statement (impossible if you don't have household bills in your name or you use paperless billing). It's very difficult. And it stops people accessing services that were designed to help them. How does a homeless person, or a person in temporary accomodation, prove their address? | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted? You should live in a technologically advanced country where stuff is actually done online; So I can show my tax bills; utilities bills, car insurance documents, and so on, on my phone and it's accepted as an original document. And some of the functionality of my chip and pin Health card will be available on my phone too, next year." I love living in the UK. For all it's flaws, it's a beautiful place to be. I would categorically not wish to live in France. | |||
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"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt No it wouldn't. A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104. Is that how you do it now? I've not lived in England for nearly 25 years. xxx"You can pay individually for items or you can buy a prepayment card if you get enough items that it works out cheaper. | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted?or people could be given some universal id at 18 Like a National Insurance card? Do people actually manage to hold onto those? Mine was stolen years and years ago. How do people "sign on" these days? Surely there's a residency check there? Or are we giving that away to? I had big problems providing relevant documentation last time I tried to sign on. I was homeless and couldn't satisfy all the demands. I thought you might have. You have to provide a passport or driving license, then proof of DOB (birth or marriage certs - adoption wasn't acceptable and many people aren't married), and proof of address via paper household bill or bank statement (impossible if you don't have household bills in your name or you use paperless billing). It's very difficult. And it stops people accessing services that were designed to help them. How does a homeless person, or a person in temporary accomodation, prove their address?" Would someone in that situation be trying to have some kind of elective surgery? | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted? You should live in a technologically advanced country where stuff is actually done online; So I can show my tax bills; utilities bills, car insurance documents, and so on, on my phone and it's accepted as an original document. And some of the functionality of my chip and pin Health card will be available on my phone too, next year. I love living in the UK. For all it's flaws, it's a beautiful place to be. I would categorically not wish to live in France. " thought you where leaving the uk when you finished your education | |||
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"If they're going to require a passport to access a service that we pay for, then the passport needs to be free and the application process needs to be improved. They're not. Just proof that you live here. House hold bills etc. Easy.... mind the stirrup... Oh. All those household bills that aren't in lots of peoples names? Where digital copies will almost certainly not be accepted? You should live in a technologically advanced country where stuff is actually done online; So I can show my tax bills; utilities bills, car insurance documents, and so on, on my phone and it's accepted as an original document. And some of the functionality of my chip and pin Health card will be available on my phone too, next year. I love living in the UK. For all it's flaws, it's a beautiful place to be. I would categorically not wish to live in France. thought you where leaving the uk when you finished your education " For some people, education can take years...depending on their level of intelligence - there again, my friend has only just finished her PhD and she started school at 4 and now she's 44. | |||
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"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt No it wouldn't. A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104. Is that how you do it now? I've not lived in England for nearly 25 years. xxx
You can pay individually for items or you can buy a prepayment card if you get enough items that it works out cheaper."Think I'll stay in Wales.  xxx | |||
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"Rightly so. " Just no. | |||
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"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt No it wouldn't. A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104. Is that how you do it now? I've not lived in England for nearly 25 years. xxx"With certain conditions in England you can apply for a medical exemption certificate to get free prescriptions. | |||
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"I think it's a good idea provided that it doesn't affect on going illnesses that are all ready diagnosed and being treated. Have to say the Welsh government are fantastic. There's no way i could afford all the meds I need if I still lived in England. Xxx I'm lucky because of my condition I don't pay for mine , if I did I would be costing me about seventy pounds a month , I paid for them for four years until they added a new med and I told my doc I couldn't afford it , then they told me I was exempt No it wouldn't. A 3 month prescription prepayment card costs £29.10 and a 12 month one is £104. Is that how you do it now? I've not lived in England for nearly 25 years. xxx
You can pay individually for items or you can buy a prepayment card if you get enough items that it works out cheaper.
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"It's all part of the smoke and mirrors used by government. When they raise stuff like this, for a trivial issue - just ask what else is going on that you're being distracted away from. As other threads have shown, there is insignificant unclaimed money for NHS treatment, compared to the NHS budget. The government isn't investing sufficiently into the NHS, a tactic that's repeated over the last few years. That it's being starved of cash, year on year, is the big scandal and will affect all of us, now and in the future." | |||
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"There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years. Mrs X " No, there aren't a lot of health tourists. It happens but it's uncommon. This is just another piece of propaganda. | |||
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" They reckon that health tourism counts for 10% of the expenditure on treating non EU migrants. I also read today that the NHS spends £200m more on stationary than the cost of Health Tourism and loses £300m in when people DNA appointments annually." That's the thing. Unlike missed appointments which can be measured precisely, we don't have a scooby about how much is lost through non-eligible patients. . However your general point that the NHS is being deliberately underfunded is correct. Aided and abetted by the NHS Confederation (the club that all the trust CEOs belong to) who long-term want to be on even bigger salaries as part of private health conglomerates. | |||
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"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it. The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled. To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack"...." To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise. | |||
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"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it. The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled. To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack".... To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise." I'm lead to believe that emergency care would not be included in the scheme | |||
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"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it. The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled. To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack".... To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise. I'm lead to believe that emergency care would not be included in the scheme" Have they already drawn up proposals? | |||
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"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it. The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled. To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack".... To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise. I'm lead to believe that emergency care would not be included in the scheme Have they already drawn up proposals?" Already running it in some hospitals. | |||
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"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it. The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled. To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack".... To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise. I'm lead to believe that emergency care would not be included in the scheme Have they already drawn up proposals?" I'm not sure, i expressed the same concern earlier in the thread and was informed that emergency treatment wouldn't be included. Further into the thread a government spokesman has indicated that the scheme would be for elective surgery only | |||
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"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it. The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled. To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack".... To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise. I'm lead to believe that emergency care would not be included in the scheme Have they already drawn up proposals?" No.....it's being lauded by two surgeons and supported by a few backbench Tory MP's, who probably had the surgeons bring it up in the first place so that it could be discussed in Parliament. Governments often use 'Professionals' to get a political ball rolling.... | |||
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"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it. The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled. To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack".... To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise. I'm lead to believe that emergency care would not be included in the scheme Have they already drawn up proposals? Already running it in some hospitals. " But only as a local Health Authority initiative and not an NHS wide initiative.... | |||
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"I fully support it you should also have to have a random drugs and alcohol test for claiming benefits. " Why?, is drug taking and social drinking only undertaken by those on benefits? | |||
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"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. " Good point! | |||
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"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. " I don't have to comply with drug and alcohol tests to work I have to take regular h&s courses, trade related refreshers and hold public liability insurance so i can work and claim a wage...so i think you should have to too! | |||
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"So if you are a low income family, don't have a passport and get ill you have to find £85 and wait 2 weeks (if you are lucky) to receive your passport before yiu can use the nhs? Lets hope no one in that situation suffers a burst appendix, broken bone, laceration, heart attack, stroke....to mention a few You just need proof of residency. And it's not for emergencies. I'll help you down off your high horse if you like...... come on ... easy does it.." Ehhh... how is he on his high horse? And a passport is not a proof of residency. | |||
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"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. I don't have to comply with drug and alcohol tests to work I have to take regular h&s courses, trade related refreshers and hold public liability insurance so i can work and claim a wage...so i think you should have to too!" All that just to drive a van... ... | |||
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"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. " it's a waste of money really, to test benefit claimants, as most aren't on drugs or alcoholic. also, what they gonna do to drug addicts who test positive? people who want to give up drugs are waiting forever for rehab as it is, would be a waste of time (and resources) forcing people to give up drugs on top of that. i gave up drinking easily but had a reason to do that. it's not as simple for most everyone else addicted to stuff. | |||
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"Rightly so. Just no.
Oh, Joe!
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"I'm all for it! If I have identification as a British citizen then what's the problem?" None. For you. In Britain. | |||
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"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. I don't have to comply with drug and alcohol tests to work I have to take regular h&s courses, trade related refreshers and hold public liability insurance so i can work and claim a wage...so i think you should have to too! All that just to drive a van... ..." And use a chainsaw, repair roofs, build walls, operate light plant, work safely on construction sites...to mention a few | |||
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"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. I don't have to comply with drug and alcohol tests to work I have to take regular h&s courses, trade related refreshers and hold public liability insurance so i can work and claim a wage...so i think you should have to too! All that just to drive a van... ... And use a chainsaw, repair roofs, build walls, operate light plant, work safely on construction sites...to mention a few" Why haven't you got your profile name as "Oddjob" ? that would be fantastic!! | |||
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"There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years. Mrs X " | |||
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"There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years. Mrs X "Gonna send back the doctors and nurses too? | |||
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"There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years. Mrs X
Gonna send back the doctors and nurses too?"Hmmm, where's that come from? | |||
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view? "I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge. Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness. LMP | |||
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?
I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.
Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.
LMP"We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth. We are not immigration officials . | |||
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"Drop the drugs talk please Soz "I'd still like to understand your previous point if you're able to do so without mentioning drugs... | |||
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?
I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.
Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.
LMP
We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.
We are not immigration officials ."The check would probably be done by whoever is referring the patient for treatment surely? | |||
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"Drop the drugs talk please Soz
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"It will be any legally accepted original paper form of residency and identity. There will be a fair amount of British residents who wouldn't then be able to access the national health service - which was specifically put in place to help people like them. Tough Titty " It would also mean that GUM clinics could no longer carry out checks anonymously | |||
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I'd still like to understand your previous point if you're able to do so without mentioning drugs...
I'm sure you would, but I don't know if I can explain it that well. "Then send me a message and you can be as honest and explicit as you like | |||
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"It will be any legally accepted original paper form of residency and identity. There will be a fair amount of British residents who wouldn't then be able to access the national health service - which was specifically put in place to help people like them. Tough Titty It would also mean that GUM clinics could no longer carry out checks anonymously" That's a very good point. Might fuck a few of us  up | |||
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?
I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.
Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.
LMP
We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.
We are not immigration officials ."And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff! I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it. If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare. This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda. | |||
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"Drop the drugs talk please Soz
I'd still like to understand your previous point if you're able to do so without mentioning drugs...
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?
I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.
Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.
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We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.
We are not immigration officials .
And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!
I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.
If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.
This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda."But those foreign workers will be paying national insurance so are therefore entitled to health care. | |||
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"Drop the drugs talk please Soz
I'd still like to understand your previous point if you're able to do so without mentioning drugs...
I'm sure you would, but I don't know if I can explain it that well.
Then send me a message and you can be as honest and explicit as you like
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?
I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.
Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.
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We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.
We are not immigration officials .
The check would probably be done by whoever is referring the patient for treatment surely? "Do you mean the GP. The same rule applies. Medical professionals treat illness and disease. I don't care where people are from. If they need treatment and present to a doctor in this country, they get treatment. Other people are responsible for whether they are supposed to be here, not doctors. | |||
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?
I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.
Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.
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We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.
We are not immigration officials .
And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!
I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.
If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.
This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda.
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"I have read a few of the posts on here. I don't think people understand the difference between health tourism and emergency treatment. This measure is supposed to stop those seeking long term, expensive treatment who are not entitled to it but not to stop accident and emergency admissions. " | |||
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?
I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.
Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.
LMP
We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.
We are not immigration officials .
The check would probably be done by whoever is referring the patient for treatment surely?
Do you mean the GP. The same rule applies.
Medical professionals treat illness and disease. I don't care where people are from. If they need treatment and present to a doctor in this country, they get treatment.
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"There are a lot of "health tourists" so if it stops that from happening I'm all for it. We are lucky to have the NHS in this country and its been abused for too many years. Mrs X
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?
I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.
Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.
LMP
We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.
We are not immigration officials .
And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!
I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.
If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.
This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda.
But those foreign workers will be paying national insurance so are therefore entitled to health care.
Yes. But on that basis the people who are British and have never paid national insurance shouldn't get any treatment either." what have you got against people on income support? | |||
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"I have read a few of the posts on here. I don't think people understand the difference between health tourism and emergency treatment. This measure is supposed to stop those seeking long term, expensive treatment who are not entitled to it but not to stop accident and emergency admissions. " Yes but to me that's an issue that should be dealt with before anybody gets to a hospital (in normal circumstances). My issues with this is 1. The right wing jingoism its a part of and 2. The principle that the NHS should be a service that's free and without any of this sort of bullshit. It's bad enough having to give your address when you're bleeding all over reception! (and pay for a parking ticket) | |||
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"I have read a few of the posts on here. I don't think people understand the difference between health tourism and emergency treatment. This measure is supposed to stop those seeking long term, expensive treatment who are not entitled to it but not to stop accident and emergency admissions. " Some people can only read certain parts of a thread. | |||
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?
I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.
Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.
LMP
We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.
We are not immigration officials .
And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!
I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.
If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.
This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda.
But those foreign workers will be paying national insurance so are therefore entitled to health care.
Yes. But on that basis the people who are British and have never paid national insurance shouldn't get any treatment either.
what have you got against people on income support? "Erm nothing
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"I have read a few of the posts on here. I don't think people understand the difference between health tourism and emergency treatment. This measure is supposed to stop those seeking long term, expensive treatment who are not entitled to it but not to stop accident and emergency admissions. Yes but to me that's an issue that should be dealt with before anybody gets to a hospital (in normal circumstances). My issues with this is 1. The right wing jingoism its a part of and 2. The principle that the NHS should be a service that's free and without any of this sort of bullshit. It's bad enough having to give your address when you're bleeding all over reception! (and pay for a parking ticket)" The NHS is not a free service. | |||
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?
I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.
Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.
LMP
We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.
We are not immigration officials .
And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!
I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.
If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.
This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda.
But those foreign workers will be paying national insurance so are therefore entitled to health care.
Yes. But on that basis the people who are British and have never paid national insurance shouldn't get any treatment either.
what have you got against people on income support?
Erm nothing
What have you against foreign people trying to be treated for illness?"Nothing, if they are in need of emergency treatment. | |||
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"I have read a few of the posts on here. I don't think people understand the difference between health tourism and emergency treatment. This measure is supposed to stop those seeking long term, expensive treatment who are not entitled to it but not to stop accident and emergency admissions. Yes but to me that's an issue that should be dealt with before anybody gets to a hospital (in normal circumstances). My issues with this is 1. The right wing jingoism its a part of and 2. The principle that the NHS should be a service that's free and without any of this sort of bullshit. It's bad enough having to give your address when you're bleeding all over reception! (and pay for a parking ticket) The NHS is not a free service. " FFS. Already dealt with several posts ago
The bit where I'm happy to pay for it on the basis that it's free at the point of need. Don't like it go and pay for private etc. etc.
Hm but that would be ironic given your post just now about people only reading the bits that suit them wouldn't it!
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"I have just heard about it on the news now, that they might introduce it, so you have to show your passport to use nhs, is this another way of controlling of who will get treatment/help, what is your view?
I think it's a good idea. I work in the nhs and have worked in walk in centres where its amazing how many people you cannot find on the system who have limited or no english language knowledge.
Personally if people come to this country, they should pay for their treatment just as i do when i go abroad if i have illness.
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We both work in the NHS and can think of few worse things than turning a sick person away or demanding proof of citizenship or financial worth.
We are not immigration officials .
And the odds are a large amount of people doing the checks wouldn't be British themselves given how much the NHS relies on foreign staff!
I pay national insurance on the basis I'm happy to contribute to a service that helps people in need, when they need it.
If people want to be sure of only paying for a service that's available to those who pay directly for it they have the option if private healthcare.
This jingoistic ignorant bullshit is just propaganda for a right wing agenda.
But those foreign workers will be paying national insurance so are therefore entitled to health care.
Yes. But on that basis the people who are British and have never paid national insurance shouldn't get any treatment either.
what have you got against people on income support?
Erm nothing
What have you against foreign people trying to be treated for illness?
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"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. " So just because you are in a job that requires compulsory drug and alcohol testing, you think that anyone who is unlucky enough to fall on hard times or has lost their job should also be forced to? Why we are about it why not go the whole hog and fit them all with tags around their ankles? | |||
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"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it. The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled. To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack".... To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise." Try living in france if you are not french the first thing they want is a credit card to cover costs or proof of insurance | |||
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"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. So just because you are in a job that requires compulsory drug and alcohol testing, you think that anyone who is unlucky enough to fall on hard times or has lost their job should also be forced to? Why we are about it why not go the whole hog and fit them all with tags around their ankles? " Yes I do!! If you want free money from the state then you should at least prove that youre drug and alcohol free at the point of collecting it. Just because I have a different opinion than yourself you don't need to embellish what I've said and exaggerate my point. | |||
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"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it. The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled. To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack".... To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise. Try living in france if you are not french the first thing they want is a credit card to cover costs or proof of insurance" Presumably the NHS EHIC thing will disappear after Brexit too. | |||
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"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. So just because you are in a job that requires compulsory drug and alcohol testing, you think that anyone who is unlucky enough to fall on hard times or has lost their job should also be forced to? Why we are about it why not go the whole hog and fit them all with tags around their ankles? Yes I do!! If you want free money from the state then you should at least prove that youre drug and alcohol free at the point of collecting it. Just because I have a different opinion than yourself you don't need to embellish what I've said and exaggerate my point. " Tax credits are classed as a benefit.....Disablility Living Allowance is classed as a benefit.... So all benefits? | |||
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"I'm always amazed to see the resistance to ID cards in this country. I simply don't understand why people are so afraid of having them. Realistically you are going to be able to show a passport, a drivers licence, birth certificate as ID. This is how it works in much of the developed world. Try stepping in to a Scandinavian hospital without an ID card unless it is a dire emergency. If they can do it why not here?" Renate Samson, the chief executive of Big Brother Watch, said: “...None of us online are now guaranteed the right to communicate privately and, most importantly, securely.”' Investigatory Powers Act, 19th November 2016. (from same feature) This bill give the UK intelligence agencies and police the most sweeping surveillance powers in the western world. That the UK now has about the most intrusive state architecture, as well as acted illegally in their surveillance for many years, has probably just about justified why many politicians and the public were so against ID cards, databases and surveillance. In any event, it's all just a distraction from what's really important. The government isn't investing into our NHS at the same levels that's it done previously: in effect, in real terms, it's made substantial cuts to NHS funding. That's where our attention should be being put, as it's killing the NHS. | |||
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" In any event, it's all just a distraction from what's really important. The government isn't investing into our NHS at the same levels that's it done previously: in effect, in real terms, it's made substantial cuts to NHS funding. That's where our attention should be being put, as it's killing the NHS."
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"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it. The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled. To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack".... To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise. Try living in france if you are not french the first thing they want is a credit card to cover costs or proof of insurance Presumably the NHS EHIC thing will disappear after Brexit too." presume that will be subject to the negotiations | |||
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"Unenforceable nonsense "
The ridiculous thing is the attempt to differentiate emergency care with long-term care as if every illness is like a broken leg. At what point does the emergency stop and who makes that decision? Do we haul a patient from their trolley as soon as their heart attack is under control and send 'em packing? Stick a plaster on a broken leg and ship 'em to the airport in an ambulance?
It's just such a non-story, but perfect yo whip up the natives.
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"Unenforceable nonsense " Absolutely! But come on, it's like a puppet show in here! | |||
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"The Department of Work and Pensions classes the State Pension as a benefit......are all pensioners to be drug and alcohol tested as well?" Cant wait to see the reply to this one | |||
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"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it. The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled. To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack".... To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise. Try living in france if you are not french the first thing they want is a credit card to cover costs or proof of insurance Presumably the NHS EHIC thing will disappear after Brexit too." We currently have hundreds of thousands of pensioners living in Spain, Portugal and France....those poor buggers can't even get a simple answer from the UK government as to whether there will be ongoing reciprocal health care cover or an alternative guarantee..... They deserve better | |||
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"Unenforceable nonsense Absolutely! But come on, it's like a puppet show in here! " If you removed your fist from up your arse it would be a little less so 
On a separate but vaguely linked note the programme on TV about them switching on hearing implants is awesome.
I'd prefer to see us continuing along the 'NHS is the greatest service in the world' line than the 'keep 'em out' shite. | |||
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"No but I have never claimed a penny in benefits in my life and go to work pay my taxes etc yet I have to comply with drugs and alcohol tests so I can work and claim a wage. " Thats your own stupid fault. Alhohol isn't illegal and I see no reason why my out of work activities are of any concern to my employer unless I am unable to perform my duties. | |||
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"Where does our free care for foreign nationals end? Should we be opening up hospitals and walk-in clinics in Erbil and Accra so that we're not treating only the wealthy ones who could afford the flight? " Putting aside that that's got sod all relevance to the topic... as a point if principle I'm happier with the idea that as a nation we invest in medical developments and that we seek to help people everywhere we can. We've been doing that for a very long time and very well. The issue at hand in this country is to tackle the causes of people becoming so small minded. This kind of proposal is just a symptom. | |||
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"The Department of Work and Pensions classes the State Pension as a benefit......are all pensioners to be drug and alcohol tested as well? Cant wait to see the reply to this one "I'm sure in order to qualify for a state pension there's a minimum contribution that had to have been made? | |||
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"Unenforceable nonsense Absolutely! But come on, it's like a puppet show in here! If you removed your fist from up your arse it would be a little less so
On a separate but vaguely linked note the programme on TV about them switching on hearing implants is awesome.
I'd prefer to see us continuing along the 'NHS is the greatest service in the world' line than the 'keep 'em out' shite."Any fule kno' that it's one of these "Look! Over here! Get angry about this!" things that distract people whilst the whole lot is auctioned off right under their noses. | |||
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"Unenforceable nonsense Absolutely! But come on, it's like a puppet show in here! If you removed your fist from up your arse it would be a little less so
On a separate but vaguely linked note the programme on TV about them switching on hearing implants is awesome.
I'd prefer to see us continuing along the 'NHS is the greatest service in the world' line than the 'keep 'em out' shite.
Any fule kno' that it's one of these "Look! Over here! Get angry about this!" things that distract people whilst the whole lot is auctioned off right under their noses. " | |||
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"Where does our free care for foreign nationals end? Should we be opening up hospitals and walk-in clinics in Erbil and Accra so that we're not treating only the wealthy ones who could afford the flight? Putting aside that that's got sod all relevance to the topic... as a point if principle I'm happier with the idea that as a nation we invest in medical developments and that we seek to help people everywhere we can. We've been doing that for a very long time and very well. " I'm not sure that's come from the NHS's meagre bucket of cash. | |||
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"The Department of Work and Pensions classes the State Pension as a benefit......are all pensioners to be drug and alcohol tested as well? Cant wait to see the reply to this one
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"I thought everyone got a state pension (just reduced if you contributed less)" Seems we need a pensions expert. | |||
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"I haven't read the thread (it might make me cross), just the title. What will the NHS do with the 100% British street or otherwise homeless with no passport or utility bill? " That's been covered. They're going to be sent to the colonies. Lucky fuckers. | |||
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"Tony Blairs government brought in a safety net for pensioners in the forum of the Minimum Income Guarantee.....it doesn't reach the dizzy heights of the state pension but it ensures pensioners are not in poverty" To get the full basic State Pension you need a total of 30 qualifying years of National Insurance contributions or credits. | |||
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"I thought everyone got a state pension (just reduced if you contributed less) Seems we need a pensions expert." It's not straightforward as if you're in the EEA then different rules apply, so that contributions made in another EEA country could count towards what you get. | |||
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"Tony Blairs government brought in a safety net for pensioners in the forum of the Minimum Income Guarantee.....it doesn't reach the dizzy heights of the state pension but it ensures pensioners are not in poverty To get the full basic State Pension you need a total of 30 qualifying years of National Insurance contributions or credits." Therefore, I'm content that those who contributed can do what the fuck they like. | |||
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"I haven't read the thread (it might make me cross), just the title. What will the NHS do with the 100% British street or otherwise homeless with no passport or utility bill? That's been covered. They're going to be sent to the colonies. Lucky fuckers." 
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"I don't think anyone is or would object to the principle of ensuring that people who are not entitled to any service don't benefit from it. The concerns raised are that the system implemented must not exclude any who are entitled. To some this is sitting on a high horse, to others its having a chip on their shoulder....to me if the system is to protect all those entitled to use it but you have no concern that all entitled have access then why support the need for any system....other than "I'm alright jack".... To be honest if somebody turns up in hospital in need of help I don't give a fuck about their 'entitlement'. I hope if I'm in that situation somebody else will think likewise. Try living in france if you are not french the first thing they want is a credit card to cover costs or proof of insurance" Not true for emergencies And if you live in France legitimately, then you will be signed up to one of the schemes, with a social security number, either via a reciprocal agreement with your " home" government, or via your work registration, or via social security contributions individually if you are self employed or " inactif " If you choose to live "off grid," then it's up to you to sort it out. | |||
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