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over a year ago
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'In 1970, Harvard Medical School cardiologist, Dr Herbert Benson, researched a technique to induce an opposing reaction to the ‘stress response’ – that feeling of anxiety we get that comes from being constantly triggered into fight-or-flight mode by the stressors of modern-day life.
He found that we can invoke a ‘relaxation response’ instead, which counteracts the ‘stress response’ through our breath, and the first step is by simply breathing deeply. Yoga, meditation, mindfulness and tai chi all help with stress – and breath is the one factor that connects them all.
How does it work?
Deep breathing, which uses the full space in the abdomen to fill with air rather than only our chests, is scientifically proven to increase oxygen within the body, creating energy and improving functionality in all areas. It balances the nervous system, lowers our heart rate, decreases the production of stress hormones, cortisol and adrenaline, and cleanses our body of carbon dioxide and 70 per cent of other bodily waste.
It is of note though, that there are some circumstances under which deep breathing is not helpful. If you are prone to panic attacks, which involve hyperventilation, causing a dramatic drop in carbon dioxide levels in the blood, a recent study at the Southern Methodist University found that the antidote to reverse hyperventilation is not to take deep breaths, but slow, shallow ones.'
(Jean Hall's Breathe: simple breathing techniques for a calmer, happier life)
Do you pay attention to your breathing? If so, what benefits do you reap from doing so?
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"I do Yoga; primarily its about breathing
Flexible!! Are you taught special breathing as part of it? "
not special breathing... "any fool can fill their lungs; learn to feel your lungs".... 
Hold on i need to get my "witty response to DiamondJoes "mystical bullshit" comments" book from the loft; I will need to transcend.... |
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"I do Yoga; primarily its about breathing
Flexible!! Are you taught special breathing as part of it?
not special breathing... "any fool can fill their lungs; learn to feel your lungs"....
Hold on i need to get my "witty response to DiamondJoes "mystical bullshit" comments" book from the loft; I will need to transcend...."
Bwahahaha -- you wrote that book!
I thought there were special yoga breathing techniques, or they tried to teach me some when I went -- but I couldn't breathe at all as I was stuck with my legs in the air and my boobs were suffocating me. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I breathe a lot, every day 
I'm really good at breathing, I can do it in my sleep. "
Haha, I knew I should have just read this article in peace on my own and not ventured a thread!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I do Yoga; primarily its about breathing
Flexible!! Are you taught special breathing as part of it?
not special breathing... "any fool can fill their lungs; learn to feel your lungs"....
Hold on i need to get my "witty response to DiamondJoes "mystical bullshit" comments" book from the loft; I will need to transcend....
Bwahahaha -- you wrote that book!
I thought there were special yoga breathing techniques, or they tried to teach me some when I went -- but I couldn't breathe at all as I was stuck with my legs in the air and my boobs were suffocating me. "
Its about feeling those lungs whilst you fill them.... I erm..... well okay..... first, I am a tart... given? Right good... I dated a yoga teacher; I say dated..... 
Anyway, yes yoga is very helpful for ones breathing; but simple meditative techniques allied to yoga can also assist in this, without the possibilities of being suffocated by ones boobies |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I do Yoga; primarily its about breathing
Flexible!! Are you taught special breathing as part of it?
not special breathing... "any fool can fill their lungs; learn to feel your lungs"....
Hold on i need to get my "witty response to DiamondJoes "mystical bullshit" comments" book from the loft; I will need to transcend....
Bwahahaha -- you wrote that book!
I thought there were special yoga breathing techniques, or they tried to teach me some when I went -- but I couldn't breathe at all as I was stuck with my legs in the air and my boobs were suffocating me.
Its about feeling those lungs whilst you fill them.... I erm..... well okay..... first, I am a tart... given? Right good... I dated a yoga teacher; I say dated.....
Anyway, yes yoga is very helpful for ones breathing; but simple meditative techniques allied to yoga can also assist in this, without the possibilities of being suffocated by ones boobies "
I shall endeavour to attempt to source those then, boobage suffocatage is not cool.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Neither of us are particularly keen on breathing therapies, even if we do understand the rationale behind them.
We find any kind of "centering" to be counter-productive - and have never been able to use Mindfulness without feeling a bit silly.
That's not to say that these techniques aren't very useful for others.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I have in the past done a course on deep breathing & relaxation... Trained to completely relax without falling asleep... part of tai chi course I was doing too "
Deep breathing and relaxation -- that's what I want! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I breathe a lot, every day
I'm really good at breathing, I can do it in my sleep.
Haha, I knew I should have just read this article in peace on my own and not ventured a thread! "
You should have at least remembered that I'd probably be a bit of a prick, as I often am on your threads. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't get stressed, but Pilates is good for learning how to breathe to relax."
Yes, I found Pilates a better option than yoga -- until they tried to get me to balance sitting on this ball which was football sized. I was hopeless and it was awful, I'm not graceful at the best of times and then this happened. It was a whole heap of body on a large surface area of floor.  |
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"Neither of us are particularly keen on breathing therapies, even if we do understand the rationale behind them.
We find any kind of "centering" to be counter-productive - and have never been able to use Mindfulness without feeling a bit silly.
That's not to say that these techniques aren't very useful for others.
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I worry about the popularity of mindfulness with certain severe and enduring mental health diagnoses for sure, can be the worst thing to do. I'm trying to explore a bit more awareness of good breathing or being more conscious of unwinding and relaxing and how breathing may assist. Thank you though, you know I value your opinion |
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
The right place |
The Greek and Hebrew words that get translated as breath also gets translated as spirit (Pneuma and Ruach). I think there is a deep connection between breathing and spirituality that humanity has been aware of for thousands of years.
Modern neuroscience is now confirming the mental and physical health benefits of prayer, meditation, yoga.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I breathe a lot, every day
I'm really good at breathing, I can do it in my sleep.
Haha, I knew I should have just read this article in peace on my own and not ventured a thread!
You should have at least remembered that I'd probably be a bit of a prick, as I often am on your threads. "
More of a pricklet |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The Yoga class I used to go to used Ujjayi breath, but I think different styles of Yoga use different breathing techniques.
I need to start making time for Yoga again, so thanks for the reminder. |
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"I often use the square breathing technique.
Oh what's that?
I find it quite hard to describe, I use a diagram as an aid, being a visual thinker. "
I'll look it up - thanks |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The Greek and Hebrew words that get translated as breath also gets translated as spirit (Pneuma and Ruach). I think there is a deep connection between breathing and spirituality that humanity has been aware of for thousands of years.
Modern neuroscience is now confirming the mental and physical health benefits of prayer, meditation, yoga.
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Deep spiriting! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't breathe that heavily quite slow shallow breathes
No variance, ever?! "
Unless I'm tired then go into sleep mode. I was told I stop breathing while sleeping. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I breathe a lot, every day
I'm really good at breathing, I can do it in my sleep.
Haha, I knew I should have just read this article in peace on my own and not ventured a thread!
You should have at least remembered that I'd probably be a bit of a prick, as I often am on your threads.
More of a pricklet "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The Yoga class I used to go to used Ujjayi breath, but I think different styles of Yoga use different breathing techniques.
I need to start making time for Yoga again, so thanks for the reminder. "
Yes, I think I may look at the breathing techniques separate to the yoga! |
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
The right place |
"The Greek and Hebrew words that get translated as breath also gets translated as spirit (Pneuma and Ruach). I think there is a deep connection between breathing and spirituality that humanity has been aware of for thousands of years.
Modern neuroscience is now confirming the mental and physical health benefits of prayer, meditation, yoga.
Deep spiriting! "
Many things in life are best performed deeply.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't breathe that heavily quite slow shallow breathes
No variance, ever?!
Unless I'm tired then go into sleep mode. I was told I stop breathing while sleeping. "
Like sleep apnoea? Oh you should get that checked out! |
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"I don't breathe that heavily quite slow shallow breathes
No variance, ever?!
Unless I'm tired then go into sleep mode. I was told I stop breathing while sleeping. "
That is sleep apnea and is not good for your health  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The Greek and Hebrew words that get translated as breath also gets translated as spirit (Pneuma and Ruach). I think there is a deep connection between breathing and spirituality that humanity has been aware of for thousands of years.
Modern neuroscience is now confirming the mental and physical health benefits of prayer, meditation, yoga.
Deep spiriting!
Many things in life are best performed deeply.
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Ha!! *clears throat* |
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"Deep breathing and relaxation -- that's what I want!
Smoking
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On one level I am joking, of course. Smoking (particularly tobacco) is harmful and addictive.
But there's something about the practice - about breathing and exhaling - that is instinctively calming.
Probs why so many people with mental health smoke or sommat. |
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
The right place |
"The Greek and Hebrew words that get translated as breath also gets translated as spirit (Pneuma and Ruach). I think there is a deep connection between breathing and spirituality that humanity has been aware of for thousands of years.
Modern neuroscience is now confirming the mental and physical health benefits of prayer, meditation, yoga.
Deep spiriting!
Many things in life are best performed deeply.
Ha!! *clears throat*"
I have something that can help |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I went to a conference - technology related but there was a mindfulness session.
I found that interesting. Breathing and focussing on different parts of the body.
I had some physio last year for an injury and part of that involved some breathing exercises. You don't realise just how far down your body your lungs go. Most people don't inflate fully |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Neither of us are particularly keen on breathing therapies, even if we do understand the rationale behind them.
We find any kind of "centering" to be counter-productive - and have never been able to use Mindfulness without feeling a bit silly.
That's not to say that these techniques aren't very useful for others.
I worry about the popularity of mindfulness with certain severe and enduring mental health diagnoses for sure, can be the worst thing to do. I'm trying to explore a bit more awareness of good breathing or being more conscious of unwinding and relaxing and how breathing may assist. Thank you though, you know I value your opinion "
Mindfulness is the new CBT which in itself was the new Prozac - it can be a useful part of an overall treatment package, but is currently overused as panacea for almost every mental health problem.
It's a shame, because it's strength is diminished by trying to make it work for everyone.
P.s. Thanks  Your threads are always interesting! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Deep breathing and relaxation -- that's what I want!
Smoking
On one level I am joking, of course. Smoking (particularly tobacco) is harmful and addictive.
But there's something about the practice - about breathing and exhaling - that is instinctively calming.
Probs why so many people with mental health smoke or sommat. "
Oh I think you've got a very good point there, for sure. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Deep breathing and relaxation -- that's what I want!
Smoking
On one level I am joking, of course. Smoking (particularly tobacco) is harmful and addictive.
But there's something about the practice - about breathing and exhaling - that is instinctively calming.
Probs why so many people with mental health smoke or sommat. "
Yeah, that'll be the reason |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I went to a conference - technology related but there was a mindfulness session.
I found that interesting. Breathing and focussing on different parts of the body.
I had some physio last year for an injury and part of that involved some breathing exercises. You don't realise just how far down your body your lungs go. Most people don't inflate fully"
That's true, as Pauly was saying -- got to fill those lungs up! |
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To swim well, you have to learn to control your breathing well. I'm good at it in the pool/water, not sure I've consciously applied those practices to dry land though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't breathe that heavily quite slow shallow breathes
No variance, ever?!
Unless I'm tired then go into sleep mode. I was told I stop breathing while sleeping.
Like sleep apnoea? Oh you should get that checked out! "
Maybe why I feel tired most of the time not sure. Don't wanna check Google and turn into a hypochondriac to be fair |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I do I practice mindfulness ans meditation.
I take notice of my breath and use it as an anchor to keep me in the present. It relaxes me and keeps me spiffingly happy . |
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"I don't breathe that heavily quite slow shallow breathes
No variance, ever?!
Unless I'm tired then go into sleep mode. I was told I stop breathing while sleeping.
Like sleep apnoea? Oh you should get that checked out!
Maybe why I feel tired most of the time not sure. Don't wanna check Google and turn into a hypochondriac to be fair"
Do you snore? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Neither of us are particularly keen on breathing therapies, even if we do understand the rationale behind them.
We find any kind of "centering" to be counter-productive - and have never been able to use Mindfulness without feeling a bit silly.
That's not to say that these techniques aren't very useful for others.
I worry about the popularity of mindfulness with certain severe and enduring mental health diagnoses for sure, can be the worst thing to do. I'm trying to explore a bit more awareness of good breathing or being more conscious of unwinding and relaxing and how breathing may assist. Thank you though, you know I value your opinion
Mindfulness is the new CBT which in itself was the new Prozac - it can be a useful part of an overall treatment package, but is currently overused as panacea for almost every mental health problem.
It's a shame, because it's strength is diminished by trying to make it work for everyone.
P.s. Thanks Your threads are always interesting! "
Don't even get me started on CBT! Yes, you're absolutely right! Mindfulness and CBT I think are better suited to the good wellbeing practices end of the mental health spectrum -- things we should all be conscious of -- but too often are pushed as the recovery solution for those struggling with far more complex difficulties. Yup.
(thanks) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't breathe that heavily quite slow shallow breathes
No variance, ever?!
Unless I'm tired then go into sleep mode. I was told I stop breathing while sleeping.
Like sleep apnoea? Oh you should get that checked out!
Maybe why I feel tired most of the time not sure. Don't wanna check Google and turn into a hypochondriac to be fair
Do you snore?"
Worse when I have a cold I'm mild asthmatic too and suffer allergies which don't help |
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"The shallow breathing is also used in Neuro Linguistic Programming, gradually slowing down the breathing in anxiety/panic attacks.....
Giving the patient a fag and a glass of wine also helps "
NLP, there's a whole other discussion!
Fag and glass of wine, brilliant!! |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I had physio specifically about breathing when I kept falling over.
I took up yoga to help control my breathing and I am aware when I am quietly hyperventilating and when I'm holding on to my breath.
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"To swim well, you have to learn to control your breathing well. I'm good at it in the pool/water, not sure I've consciously applied those practices to dry land though. "
I can swim for ages underwater but end up holding my breath when doing front crawl etc rather than finding a rhythmical way of breathing. I adore swimming, far happier in water than on land! I used to sit on the floor of the swimming pool as a child just observing everyone above me! (Okay that sounds odd reading it back, but I just liked being detached and watching) |
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"I don't breathe that heavily quite slow shallow breathes
No variance, ever?!
Unless I'm tired then go into sleep mode. I was told I stop breathing while sleeping.
Like sleep apnoea? Oh you should get that checked out!
Maybe why I feel tired most of the time not sure. Don't wanna check Google and turn into a hypochondriac to be fair"
It will definitely be a reason for tiredness. Tell your GP |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I do I practice mindfulness ans meditation.
I take notice of my breath and use it as an anchor to keep me in the present. It relaxes me and keeps me spiffingly happy ."
Spiffingly happy for the win! |
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
The right place |
"To swim well, you have to learn to control your breathing well. I'm good at it in the pool/water, not sure I've consciously applied those practices to dry land though.
I can swim for ages underwater but end up holding my breath when doing front crawl etc rather than finding a rhythmical way of breathing. I adore swimming, far happier in water than on land! I used to sit on the floor of the swimming pool as a child just observing everyone above me! (Okay that sounds odd reading it back, but I just liked being detached and watching)"
On a related note. There is an excellent book about free diving called 'One breath'. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't breathe that heavily quite slow shallow breathes
No variance, ever?!
Unless I'm tired then go into sleep mode. I was told I stop breathing while sleeping.
Like sleep apnoea? Oh you should get that checked out!
Maybe why I feel tired most of the time not sure. Don't wanna check Google and turn into a hypochondriac to be fair
It will definitely be a reason for tiredness. Tell your GP "
Or maybe I just need rest as well I burn the candle at both ends quite a lot |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Once I'm fixed I'm going back to swimming and Pilates to help with strength and breathing.
My Mum died from a lung condition and I don't want that  "
I'm pro the swimming and Pilates routine!
Sending you all the best this week by the way xx |
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Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu
Buddhist, sufi, or zen. Not any religion or cultural system.
I am not from the East or the West, not out of the ocean or up from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not composed of elements at all.
I do not exist, am not an entity in this world or in the next, did not descend from Adam and Eve or any origin story.
My place is placeless, a trace of the traceless.
Neither body or soul. I belong to the beloved, have seen the two worlds as one and that one call to and know, first, last, outer, inner, only that breath breathing human being.
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"I had physio specifically about breathing when I kept falling over.
I took up yoga to help control my breathing and I am aware when I am quietly hyperventilating and when I'm holding on to my breath.
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Yes, I'm not very conscious of my breathing and want to be more self aware -- especially if it helps with anxiety-fraught situations. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"To swim well, you have to learn to control your breathing well. I'm good at it in the pool/water, not sure I've consciously applied those practices to dry land though.
I can swim for ages underwater but end up holding my breath when doing front crawl etc rather than finding a rhythmical way of breathing. I adore swimming, far happier in water than on land! I used to sit on the floor of the swimming pool as a child just observing everyone above me! (Okay that sounds odd reading it back, but I just liked being detached and watching)
On a related note. There is an excellent book about free diving called 'One breath'. "
Oh I'll check that out - thanks! |
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"I don't breathe that heavily quite slow shallow breathes
No variance, ever?!
Unless I'm tired then go into sleep mode. I was told I stop breathing while sleeping.
Like sleep apnoea? Oh you should get that checked out!
Maybe why I feel tired most of the time not sure. Don't wanna check Google and turn into a hypochondriac to be fair
It will definitely be a reason for tiredness. Tell your GP
Or maybe I just need rest as well I burn the candle at both ends quite a lot"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu
Buddhist, sufi, or zen. Not any religion or cultural system.
I am not from the East or the West, not out of the ocean or up from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not composed of elements at all.
I do not exist, am not an entity in this world or in the next, did not descend from Adam and Eve or any origin story.
My place is placeless, a trace of the traceless.
Neither body or soul. I belong to the beloved, have seen the two worlds as one and that one call to and know, first, last, outer, inner, only that breath breathing human being.
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"The shallow breathing is also used in Neuro Linguistic Programming, gradually slowing down the breathing in anxiety/panic attacks.....
Giving the patient a fag and a glass of wine also helps
NLP, there's a whole other discussion!
Fag and glass of wine, brilliant!! "
Erm! Perhaps but I have seen NLP used to address panic attacks...matching the rate of the sufferers speech, whilst gently tapping their back shoulder and the same rate....then gently slowing the speech and tapping to bring/guide the sufferer back to a better place....at its most basic not really much different to some NLP techniques Doms use |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The shallow breathing is also used in Neuro Linguistic Programming, gradually slowing down the breathing in anxiety/panic attacks.....
Giving the patient a fag and a glass of wine also helps
NLP, there's a whole other discussion!
Fag and glass of wine, brilliant!!
Erm! Perhaps but I have seen NLP used to address panic attacks...matching the rate of the sufferers speech, whilst gently tapping their back shoulder and the same rate....then gently slowing the speech and tapping to bring/guide the sufferer back to a better place....at its most basic not really much different to some NLP techniques Doms use"
Sorry, that wasn't an anti NLP comment, more a oooh there's lots to discuss under NLP (positive and negative)! |
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Rumi... get yourself a pocket one xx
There may just be rumi in my pocket for one! "
“A mountain keeps an echo deep inside. That's how I hold your voice.” |
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I really need to get in to swimming. I'm useless at it but I think it would help with the running.
I have a pretty decent engine based on my estimated VO2 max but improvement is always good.
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Rumi... get yourself a pocket one xx
There may just be rumi in my pocket for one!
“A mountain keeps an echo deep inside. That's how I hold your voice.”"
BlueEyedGirl says my voice is like a Jazz FM voice! |
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"I really need to get in to swimming. I'm useless at it but I think it would help with the running.
I have a pretty decent engine based on my estimated VO2 max but improvement is always good.
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Love it when you talk VO2 maxes! |
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"I really need to get in to swimming. I'm useless at it but I think it would help with the running.
I have a pretty decent engine based on my estimated VO2 max but improvement is always good.
Love it when you talk VO2 maxes!"
Haha definitely something in the water tonight |
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Rumi... get yourself a pocket one xx
There may just be rumi in my pocket for one!
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Rumi... get yourself a pocket one xx
There may just be rumi in my pocket for one!
“A mountain keeps an echo deep inside. That's how I hold your voice.”
BlueEyedGirl says my voice is like a Jazz FM voice! "
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Rumi... get yourself a pocket one xx
There may just be rumi in my pocket for one!
“A mountain keeps an echo deep inside. That's how I hold your voice.”
BlueEyedGirl says my voice is like a Jazz FM voice! "
“You think because you understand 'one' you must also understand 'two', because one and one make two. But you must also understand 'and'.”
((For those of you who are wondering; I am currently sat in a smoking jacket; puffing on a pipe, and you are wondering eh? and I don't blame you but I will try to explain... breathing; in its most simple form sustains us; but in its most complex form, it nourishes us; just like eating food will sustain us; but eating food we enjoy to a tenth less than full will nourish us.... it is words that help me with my breathing..... and now everyone has their fingers crossed that I have run out of words, will turn blue and depart )) |
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"The shallow breathing is also used in Neuro Linguistic Programming, gradually slowing down the breathing in anxiety/panic attacks.....
Giving the patient a fag and a glass of wine also helps
NLP, there's a whole other discussion!
Fag and glass of wine, brilliant!!
Erm! Perhaps but I have seen NLP used to address panic attacks...matching the rate of the sufferers speech, whilst gently tapping their back shoulder and the same rate....then gently slowing the speech and tapping to bring/guide the sufferer back to a better place....at its most basic not really much different to some NLP techniques Doms use
Sorry, that wasn't an anti NLP comment, more a oooh there's lots to discuss under NLP (positive and negative)! "
NLP? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
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"When my anxiety gets bad, I calm myself down by mimicking other people's breathing... Obviously easier if cuddling."
Cuddles are good I do the same if I'm cuddling dunno why. Does that make me a bit weird? |
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Breathing has always been consciously important to me. From an early age I swam competitively so learned the importance of deep rhythmic breathing. I also played woodwind instruments which required considerable breath control and effective breathing. My other passion was singing so from an early age I learned to breathe from the diaphragm and control it. So when I started meditating the breath control was a natural extension of what I already knew. |
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Rumi... get yourself a pocket one xx
There may just be rumi in my pocket for one!
“A mountain keeps an echo deep inside. That's how I hold your voice.”
BlueEyedGirl says my voice is like a Jazz FM voice!
“You think because you understand 'one' you must also understand 'two', because one and one make two. But you must also understand 'and'.”
((For those of you who are wondering; I am currently sat in a smoking jacket; puffing on a pipe, and you are wondering eh? and I don't blame you but I will try to explain... breathing; in its most simple form sustains us; but in its most complex form, it nourishes us; just like eating food will sustain us; but eating food we enjoy to a tenth less than full will nourish us.... it is words that help me with my breathing..... and now everyone has their fingers crossed that I have run out of words, will turn blue and depart ))"
How *do* we understand the 'and'? |
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"The shallow breathing is also used in Neuro Linguistic Programming, gradually slowing down the breathing in anxiety/panic attacks.....
Giving the patient a fag and a glass of wine also helps
NLP, there's a whole other discussion!
Fag and glass of wine, brilliant!!
Erm! Perhaps but I have seen NLP used to address panic attacks...matching the rate of the sufferers speech, whilst gently tapping their back shoulder and the same rate....then gently slowing the speech and tapping to bring/guide the sufferer back to a better place....at its most basic not really much different to some NLP techniques Doms use
Sorry, that wasn't an anti NLP comment, more a oooh there's lots to discuss under NLP (positive and negative)!
NLP? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
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"When my anxiety gets bad, I calm myself down by mimicking other people's breathing... Obviously easier if cuddling."
Cuddles and breathing. (Are you noticing my thread links?!) |
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"Once I'm fixed I'm going back to swimming and Pilates to help with strength and breathing.
My Mum died from a lung condition and I don't want that
I'm pro the swimming and Pilates routine!
Sending you all the best this week by the way xx"
Thank you, it was cancelled though |
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"When my anxiety gets bad, I calm myself down by mimicking other people's breathing... Obviously easier if cuddling.
Cuddles are good I do the same if I'm cuddling dunno why. Does that make me a bit weird? "
Absolutely not. |
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"When my anxiety gets bad, I calm myself down by mimicking other people's breathing... Obviously easier if cuddling.
Cuddles are good I do the same if I'm cuddling dunno why. Does that make me a bit weird? "
Don't think so |
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"Once I'm fixed I'm going back to swimming and Pilates to help with strength and breathing.
My Mum died from a lung condition and I don't want that
I'm pro the swimming and Pilates routine!
Sending you all the best this week by the way xx
Thank you, it was cancelled though "
Oh no! . ((hugs)) |
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"When my anxiety gets bad, I calm myself down by mimicking other people's breathing... Obviously easier if cuddling.
Cuddles are good I do the same if I'm cuddling dunno why. Does that make me a bit weird?
Absolutely not. "
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"Breathing has always been consciously important to me. From an early age I swam competitively so learned the importance of deep rhythmic breathing. I also played woodwind instruments which required considerable breath control and effective breathing. My other passion was singing so from an early age I learned to breathe from the diaphragm and control it. So when I started meditating the breath control was a natural extension of what I already knew."
I grew up playing woodwind instruments too, perhaps that's something to rekindle awareness of! Although singing....I've been yearning to sing with people -- perhaps a choir or similar might be an idea. Thank you! |
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Rumi... get yourself a pocket one xx
There may just be rumi in my pocket for one!
“A mountain keeps an echo deep inside. That's how I hold your voice.”
BlueEyedGirl says my voice is like a Jazz FM voice!
“You think because you understand 'one' you must also understand 'two', because one and one make two. But you must also understand 'and'.”
((For those of you who are wondering; I am currently sat in a smoking jacket; puffing on a pipe, and you are wondering eh? and I don't blame you but I will try to explain... breathing; in its most simple form sustains us; but in its most complex form, it nourishes us; just like eating food will sustain us; but eating food we enjoy to a tenth less than full will nourish us.... it is words that help me with my breathing..... and now everyone has their fingers crossed that I have run out of words, will turn blue and depart ))
How *do* we understand the 'and'? "
do not understand the "and" understand the One and One... |
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Rumi... get yourself a pocket one xx
There may just be rumi in my pocket for one!
“A mountain keeps an echo deep inside. That's how I hold your voice.”
BlueEyedGirl says my voice is like a Jazz FM voice!
“You think because you understand 'one' you must also understand 'two', because one and one make two. But you must also understand 'and'.”
((For those of you who are wondering; I am currently sat in a smoking jacket; puffing on a pipe, and you are wondering eh? and I don't blame you but I will try to explain... breathing; in its most simple form sustains us; but in its most complex form, it nourishes us; just like eating food will sustain us; but eating food we enjoy to a tenth less than full will nourish us.... it is words that help me with my breathing..... and now everyone has their fingers crossed that I have run out of words, will turn blue and depart ))
How *do* we understand the 'and'?
do not understand the "and" understand the One and One..."
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"Neither of us are particularly keen on breathing therapies, even if we do understand the rationale behind them.
We find any kind of "centering" to be counter-productive - and have never been able to use Mindfulness without feeling a bit silly.
That's not to say that these techniques aren't very useful for others.
I worry about the popularity of mindfulness with certain severe and enduring mental health diagnoses for sure, can be the worst thing to do. I'm trying to explore a bit more awareness of good breathing or being more conscious of unwinding and relaxing and how breathing may assist. Thank you though, you know I value your opinion
Mindfulness is the new CBT which in itself was the new Prozac - it can be a useful part of an overall treatment package, but is currently overused as panacea for almost every mental health problem.
It's a shame, because it's strength is diminished by trying to make it work for everyone.
P.s. Thanks Your threads are always interesting!
Don't even get me started on CBT! Yes, you're absolutely right! Mindfulness and CBT I think are better suited to the good wellbeing practices end of the mental health spectrum -- things we should all be conscious of -- but too often are pushed as the recovery solution for those struggling with far more complex difficulties. Yup.
(thanks) "
Totally agree with you there. It's frustrating to see it used as a magic wand cure all. I always get the impression as well that with so many practitioners out there, they're passing on a watered down version. |
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"Whilst it's all quite interesting, I'm not sure that meditation is ever the best responce to your typical "fight or flight" situation? 
Cal"
Haha! It's more proactive than reactive. |
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"Neither of us are particularly keen on breathing therapies, even if we do understand the rationale behind them.
We find any kind of "centering" to be counter-productive - and have never been able to use Mindfulness without feeling a bit silly.
That's not to say that these techniques aren't very useful for others.
I worry about the popularity of mindfulness with certain severe and enduring mental health diagnoses for sure, can be the worst thing to do. I'm trying to explore a bit more awareness of good breathing or being more conscious of unwinding and relaxing and how breathing may assist. Thank you though, you know I value your opinion
Mindfulness is the new CBT which in itself was the new Prozac - it can be a useful part of an overall treatment package, but is currently overused as panacea for almost every mental health problem.
It's a shame, because it's strength is diminished by trying to make it work for everyone.
P.s. Thanks Your threads are always interesting!
Don't even get me started on CBT! Yes, you're absolutely right! Mindfulness and CBT I think are better suited to the good wellbeing practices end of the mental health spectrum -- things we should all be conscious of -- but too often are pushed as the recovery solution for those struggling with far more complex difficulties. Yup.
(thanks)
Totally agree with you there. It's frustrating to see it used as a magic wand cure all. I always get the impression as well that with so many practitioners out there, they're passing on a watered down version. "
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"Whilst it's all quite interesting, I'm not sure that meditation is ever the best responce to your typical "fight or flight" situation?
Cal"
I agree, I'm not sure that was being suggested?
What do you find helps? |
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"Whilst it's all quite interesting, I'm not sure that meditation is ever the best responce to your typical "fight or flight" situation?
Cal
Haha! It's more proactive than reactive."
Agreed |
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By *iver2015Woman
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With having anxiety I focus on my breathing quite often but then I freak out because I'm consciously controlling my breathing and I'm scared to stop doing that so it will remain a focus. In a panic attack I would often say "I can't breathe" it's only afterwards when I realise that if I can repeatedly say "I can't breathe" without struggling then I'm obviously ok.
I'm so much better later. Some had creeped in this past fortnight but I keep fighting it off. |
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"Whilst it's all quite interesting, I'm not sure that meditation is ever the best responce to your typical "fight or flight" situation?
Cal
I agree, I'm not sure that was being suggested?
What do you find helps? "
I'm not the best to ask, I don't do stress. Just deal with what's in front of me the best I can.
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"Whilst it's all quite interesting, I'm not sure that meditation is ever the best responce to your typical "fight or flight" situation?
Cal
I agree, I'm not sure that was being suggested?
What do you find helps?
I'm not the best to ask, I don't do stress. Just deal with what's in front of me the best I can.
Cal"
Fair enough, glad that works |
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"With having anxiety I focus on my breathing quite often but then I freak out because I'm consciously controlling my breathing and I'm scared to stop doing that so it will remain a focus. In a panic attack I would often say "I can't breathe" it's only afterwards when I realise that if I can repeatedly say "I can't breathe" without struggling then I'm obviously ok.
I'm so much better later. Some had creeped in this past fortnight but I keep fighting it off. "
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"Exercise is so terribly underrated here. Get out, where and when possible, and stroll. Strolling needs to make a comeback.
Agreed
Fancy a stroll? "
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"Beer and music...
And working by myself, outdoors. "
Helps with your breathing?
Actually, to be fair what doesn't beer, music and working independently outdoors help?! |
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"Exercise is so terribly underrated here. Get out, where and when possible, and stroll. Strolling needs to make a comeback.
Agreed
Fancy a stroll?
...to soothe our souls "
Yes |
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By *imiUKMan
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"Beer and music...
And working by myself, outdoors.
Helps with your breathing?
Actually, to be fair what doesn't beer, music and working independently outdoors help?! "
Breathing and...perspective. |
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"Beer and music...
And working by myself, outdoors.
Helps with your breathing?
Actually, to be fair what doesn't beer, music and working independently outdoors help?!
Breathing and...perspective. "
Agreed! |
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