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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Oh God now all this shit is going mainstream
Google threw some trending guardian story at me today from written by a lovely lady whinging about the dark corner of the Internet called the manosphere. I agree that they are mostly dweebs and losers but also I think they are more of a danger to themselves than society at large (talk about being dramatic...)
But and it's a big but... She should have at least nodded her cap to their opposite force.... The equally mental hardcore feminists...
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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hard core feminists are fulfilling a knee jerk reaction after many 100s of years of inequality in pay, living standards, being taken seriously in professional life etc etc. What are men knee jerking about? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Should she?
If I wrote an article about, for example, a university wanting to ban certain right wing newspapers, would I also have to chuck in a few derogatory remarks about far right political movements, for "balance"? A piece can be about something without having to reference something else. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't get what your point is OP... are you trying to dredge up anti feminist sentiments? "
My interpretation was "those people are cunts, but those other people are also cunts, making the first group of cunts acceptable". |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm saying that one group of cunts shouldn't complain about another bunch of cunts who exhibit very similar behaviour patterns and not see the irony
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How do you know the writer of the article is a hard core feminist?
Anyway, that's journalism for you: public complaining. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't get what your point is OP... are you trying to dredge up anti feminist sentiments?
My interpretation was "those people are cunts, but those other people are also cunts, making the first group of cunts acceptable"."
Yeah, that's what I got too! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Should she?
If I wrote an article about, for example, a university wanting to ban certain right wing newspapers, would I also have to chuck in a few derogatory remarks about far right political movements, for "balance"? A piece can be about something without having to reference something else. "
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If you are a journalist of any value you prerogative should be truth and objective
Yes I'm an eternal optimist  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm saying that one group of cunts shouldn't complain about another bunch of cunts who exhibit very similar behaviour patterns and not see the irony
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But is the writer an aggressive hardcore feminist? It's not compulsory, to write for the guardian, as far as I'm aware. |
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By *eliWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm saying that one group of cunts shouldn't complain about another bunch of cunts who exhibit very similar behaviour patterns and not see the irony
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And the journalist is one of those mental hardcore feminist cunts? Or is that just an assumption made because you think all female journalists complaining about men must be? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should she?
If I wrote an article about, for example, a university wanting to ban certain right wing newspapers, would I also have to chuck in a few derogatory remarks about far right political movements, for "balance"? A piece can be about something without having to reference something else.
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If you are a journalist of any value you prerogative should be truth and objective
Yes I'm an eternal optimist "
Would you accept a piece about the manosphere that didn't reference extreme feminism, if it was written by a man? I'm not sure how the gender of the journalist is relevant.
I generally get infuriated by pieces in the Guardian, so I tend not to read them. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm saying that one group of cunts shouldn't complain about another bunch of cunts who exhibit very similar behaviour patterns and not see the irony
And the journalist is one of those mental hardcore feminist cunts? Or is that just an assumption made because you think all female journalists complaining about men must be?"
I'm not calling her a cunt BTW....
Pointing out shit journalistic standards |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's a grand assumption based on the tone of the article
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How does grand assumption fit with truth and objective? That's what you're all about, isn't it? |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
The article the OP is possibly referring to is this one on the rise of white male supremacy groups, and their radicalisation online:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/15/alt-right-manosphere-mainstream-politics-breitbart
Kind of a political evolution of the 'pick up artist' culture, built around denigrating, manipulating and preying women for sex.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Should she?
If I wrote an article about, for example, a university wanting to ban certain right wing newspapers, would I also have to chuck in a few derogatory remarks about far right political movements, for "balance"? A piece can be about something without having to reference something else.
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If you are a journalist of any value you prerogative should be truth and objective
Yes I'm an eternal optimist
Would you accept a piece about the manosphere that didn't reference extreme feminism, if it was written by a man? I'm not sure how the gender of the journalist is relevant.
I generally get infuriated by pieces in the Guardian, so I tend not to read them. "
No, and no one brought up her gender. Don't try to reduce it to that |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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I am interested in the fact that anyone believes that truth and objectivity plays any part in modern journalism these days.
Castigating someone for writing an article in a known left wing newspaper that may have a pro-woman slant is like telling off a Sun journalist for going on about boobs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should she?
If I wrote an article about, for example, a university wanting to ban certain right wing newspapers, would I also have to chuck in a few derogatory remarks about far right political movements, for "balance"? A piece can be about something without having to reference something else.
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If you are a journalist of any value you prerogative should be truth and objective
Yes I'm an eternal optimist
Would you accept a piece about the manosphere that didn't reference extreme feminism, if it was written by a man? I'm not sure how the gender of the journalist is relevant.
I generally get infuriated by pieces in the Guardian, so I tend not to read them.
No, and no one brought up her gender. Don't try to reduce it to that "
You did, where you referred to her as a "lovely lady whinging" in your opening post. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It's a grand assumption based on the tone of the article
How does grand assumption fit with truth and objective? That's what you're all about, isn't it?"
Am I wrong?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's a grand assumption based on the tone of the article
How does grand assumption fit with truth and objective? That's what you're all about, isn't it?
Am I wrong?
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I don't know, I haven't read it. I have no intention of reading it, I don't like the Guardian. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Should she?
If I wrote an article about, for example, a university wanting to ban certain right wing newspapers, would I also have to chuck in a few derogatory remarks about far right political movements, for "balance"? A piece can be about something without having to reference something else.
.
If you are a journalist of any value you prerogative should be truth and objective
Yes I'm an eternal optimist
Would you accept a piece about the manosphere that didn't reference extreme feminism, if it was written by a man? I'm not sure how the gender of the journalist is relevant.
I generally get infuriated by pieces in the Guardian, so I tend not to read them.
No, and no one brought up her gender. Don't try to reduce it to that
You did, where you referred to her as a "lovely lady whinging" in your opening post. "
You are in deep....
That isn't bringing up anything.... You are reading through a lens of bias |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should she?
If I wrote an article about, for example, a university wanting to ban certain right wing newspapers, would I also have to chuck in a few derogatory remarks about far right political movements, for "balance"? A piece can be about something without having to reference something else.
.
If you are a journalist of any value you prerogative should be truth and objective
Yes I'm an eternal optimist
Would you accept a piece about the manosphere that didn't reference extreme feminism, if it was written by a man? I'm not sure how the gender of the journalist is relevant.
I generally get infuriated by pieces in the Guardian, so I tend not to read them.
No, and no one brought up her gender. Don't try to reduce it to that
You did, where you referred to her as a "lovely lady whinging" in your opening post.
You are in deep....
That isn't bringing up anything.... You are reading through a lens of bias "
I'm not in anything deep. You just said "no one brought up her gender". But you'd brought it up, repeatedly, in your opening post. And it was a question, because I didn't understand why it was relevant unless you thought it *did* have an impact on her opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I am interested in the fact that anyone believes that truth and objectivity plays any part in modern journalism these days.
Castigating someone for writing an article in a known left wing newspaper that may have a pro-woman slant is like telling off a Sun journalist for going on about boobs."
Book talk is a lot less devisive
The tag line was something about 'ratification of white men'.... She even went to the effort of bringing race into the equation |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The manosphere should be referred to as the moronsphere as a matter of course. The term is more aptly descriptive."
that's all there is to it. They also believe Trump won the election because of meme magic  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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No, and no one brought up her gender. Don't try to reduce it to that
You did, where you referred to her as a "lovely lady whinging" in your opening post.
You are in deep....
That isn't bringing up anything.... You are reading through a lens of bias
I'm not in anything deep. You just said "no one brought up her gender". But you'd brought it up, repeatedly, in your opening post. And it was a question, because I didn't understand why it was relevant unless you thought it *did* have an impact on her opinion."
Correct me if I'm wrong but it was in fact written by a woman and the English language does have masculine and feminine pronouns for the subject which I used correctly....
You brought it up, not me |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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Is it this you're on about: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/15/alt-right-manosphere-mainstream-politics-breitbart
The article is about alt-right and other incredibly unsavoury websites that are some kind of mansplaining knee jerk reaction to us uppity bitches leaving the kitchen. Any right thinking bloke would be against these dangerous idiots, so why you are saying she is 'whinging' is beyond me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's a shame, because these angry, ranty, man haters and their branch of feminism overshadows decent feminists and the work they are doing.
Emma Watson does a lot of good work and there are a couple of Saudi women who make the treatment of women in the hardline Islamic world known to Amnesty and the West. This the feminism that the world needs, but sadly, when ever the word 'feminism' is mentioned, people just envisage bitter fat women, ranting via The Guardian/Buzzfeed/HuffPost about men because they have always been the third wheel... Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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No, and no one brought up her gender. Don't try to reduce it to that
You did, where you referred to her as a "lovely lady whinging" in your opening post.
You are in deep....
That isn't bringing up anything.... You are reading through a lens of bias
I'm not in anything deep. You just said "no one brought up her gender". But you'd brought it up, repeatedly, in your opening post. And it was a question, because I didn't understand why it was relevant unless you thought it *did* have an impact on her opinion.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it was in fact written by a woman and the English language does have masculine and feminine pronouns for the subject which I used correctly....
You brought it up, not me "
I'm not disputing any of that. You said "no one brought up her gender" which was clearly untrue because in your opening post you had brought up her gender repeatedly. It may seem like I'm labouring the point but objective and truth are important, no? |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"but sadly, when ever the word 'feminism' is mentioned, people just envisage bitter fat women, ranting via The Guardian/Buzzfeed/HuffPost about men because they have always been the third wheel. "
They do? Not if they are remotely intelligent, one suspects. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Is it this you're on about: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/15/alt-right-manosphere-mainstream-politics-breitbart
The article is about alt-right and other incredibly unsavoury websites that are some kind of mansplaining knee jerk reaction to us uppity bitches leaving the kitchen. Any right thinking bloke would be against these dangerous idiots, so why you are saying she is 'whinging' is beyond me."
Simply for her omission of their counterparts from the article and for being over dramatic
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Is it this you're on about: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/15/alt-right-manosphere-mainstream-politics-breitbart
The article is about alt-right and other incredibly unsavoury websites that are some kind of mansplaining knee jerk reaction to us uppity bitches leaving the kitchen. Any right thinking bloke would be against these dangerous idiots, so why you are saying she is 'whinging' is beyond me.
Simply for her omission of their counterparts from the article and for being over dramatic
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it's a 'Comment is Free' article. It doesn't have to be balanced, or restrained. It's their 'anyone can write something' section. Why don't you submit something about over dramatic women moaning about dangerous extreme right wing misogynists? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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No, and no one brought up her gender. Don't try to reduce it to that
You did, where you referred to her as a "lovely lady whinging" in your opening post.
You are in deep....
That isn't bringing up anything.... You are reading through a lens of bias
I'm not in anything deep. You just said "no one brought up her gender". But you'd brought it up, repeatedly, in your opening post. And it was a question, because I didn't understand why it was relevant unless you thought it *did* have an impact on her opinion.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it was in fact written by a woman and the English language does have masculine and feminine pronouns for the subject which I used correctly....
You brought it up, not me
I'm not disputing any of that. You said "no one brought up her gender" which was clearly untrue because in your opening post you had brought up her gender repeatedly. It may seem like I'm labouring the point but objective and truth are important, no? "
You are labouring a broken point
I 'brought up' the article as something to discuss. I did not bring up her gender. The sex of who wrote the article is immaterial but remains a fact. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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No, and no one brought up her gender. Don't try to reduce it to that
You did, where you referred to her as a "lovely lady whinging" in your opening post.
You are in deep....
That isn't bringing up anything.... You are reading through a lens of bias
I'm not in anything deep. You just said "no one brought up her gender". But you'd brought it up, repeatedly, in your opening post. And it was a question, because I didn't understand why it was relevant unless you thought it *did* have an impact on her opinion.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it was in fact written by a woman and the English language does have masculine and feminine pronouns for the subject which I used correctly....
You brought it up, not me
I'm not disputing any of that. You said "no one brought up her gender" which was clearly untrue because in your opening post you had brought up her gender repeatedly. It may seem like I'm labouring the point but objective and truth are important, no?
You are labouring a broken point
I 'brought up' the article as something to discuss. I did not bring up her gender. The sex of who wrote the article is immaterial but remains a fact. "
Ok. If immaterial, why mention it several times then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it this you're on about: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/15/alt-right-manosphere-mainstream-politics-breitbart
The article is about alt-right and other incredibly unsavoury websites that are some kind of mansplaining knee jerk reaction to us uppity bitches leaving the kitchen. Any right thinking bloke would be against these dangerous idiots, so why you are saying she is 'whinging' is beyond me.
Simply for her omission of their counterparts from the article and for being over dramatic
it's a 'Comment is Free' article. It doesn't have to be balanced, or restrained. It's their 'anyone can write something' section. Why don't you submit something about over dramatic women moaning about dangerous extreme right wing misogynists?"
Oh they're always a load of shite, I thought the OP was saying it was an actual proper article. Ok this is even more pointless now. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It's an article that appeared on the top three trending stories from all news sources.
Therefore it has momentum... It's sub section of the newspaper doesn't reduce its ability to divide people and incite fear
Oh no the big bad misogynists are coming to get us is the message.....Are the really?
Nope in reality they are a bunch of losers too busy wanking in the bedrooms
It's about perception vs reality via what the media tell us
It's a case of a biased journalist with a big enough soapbox |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"It's an article that appeared on the top three trending stories from all news sources.
Therefore it has momentum... It's sub section of the newspaper doesn't reduce its ability to divide people and incite fear
Oh no the big bad misogynists are coming to get us is the message.....Are the really?
Nope in reality they are a bunch of losers too busy wanking in the bedrooms
It's about perception vs reality via what the media tell us
It's a case of a biased journalist with a big enough soapbox "
No, it's about a guy getting his Y fronts in a twist about a woman writing an subjective article about something she believes is dangerous. She has that right, and you have the same right to refute her. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you. She certainly won't. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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No, and no one brought up her gender. Don't try to reduce it to that
You did, where you referred to her as a "lovely lady whinging" in your opening post.
You are in deep....
That isn't bringing up anything.... You are reading through a lens of bias
I'm not in anything deep. You just said "no one brought up her gender". But you'd brought it up, repeatedly, in your opening post. And it was a question, because I didn't understand why it was relevant unless you thought it *did* have an impact on her opinion.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it was in fact written by a woman and the English language does have masculine and feminine pronouns for the subject which I used correctly....
You brought it up, not me
I'm not disputing any of that. You said "no one brought up her gender" which was clearly untrue because in your opening post you had brought up her gender repeatedly. It may seem like I'm labouring the point but objective and truth are important, no?
You are labouring a broken point
I 'brought up' the article as something to discuss. I did not bring up her gender. The sex of who wrote the article is immaterial but remains a fact.
Ok. If immaterial, why mention it several times then? "
Take a deep breath and think please
You are saying that if I use any word in a sentence that I am bringing up the subject of that word as the subject of discussion... Nonsense
If it was written by a man... And there are plenty with the same viewpoint... My opening post would be the very same with he instead of she and and him instead of her and in that case I wouldn't be bringing up that the article was written by a man... I would be bringing up the article
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By (user no longer on site)
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No, and no one brought up her gender. Don't try to reduce it to that
You did, where you referred to her as a "lovely lady whinging" in your opening post.
You are in deep....
That isn't bringing up anything.... You are reading through a lens of bias
I'm not in anything deep. You just said "no one brought up her gender". But you'd brought it up, repeatedly, in your opening post. And it was a question, because I didn't understand why it was relevant unless you thought it *did* have an impact on her opinion.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it was in fact written by a woman and the English language does have masculine and feminine pronouns for the subject which I used correctly....
You brought it up, not me
I'm not disputing any of that. You said "no one brought up her gender" which was clearly untrue because in your opening post you had brought up her gender repeatedly. It may seem like I'm labouring the point but objective and truth are important, no?
You are labouring a broken point
I 'brought up' the article as something to discuss. I did not bring up her gender. The sex of who wrote the article is immaterial but remains a fact.
Ok. If immaterial, why mention it several times then?
Take a deep breath and think please
You are saying that if I use any word in a sentence that I am bringing up the subject of that word as the subject of discussion... Nonsense
If it was written by a man... And there are plenty with the same viewpoint... My opening post would be the very same with he instead of she and and him instead of her and in that case I wouldn't be bringing up that the article was written by a man... I would be bringing up the article
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Thanks for eventually answering my original question. And no need to patronise, eh pet? |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"It's an article that appeared on the top three trending stories from all news sources.
Therefore it has momentum... It's sub section of the newspaper doesn't reduce its ability to divide people and incite fear
Oh no the big bad misogynists are coming to get us is the message.....Are the really?
Nope in reality they are a bunch of losers too busy wanking in the bedrooms
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So you missed one of the main points of the article was the appointment of Steve Bannon from Breitbart as Trump's Chief Strategist? Sorry, but that goes quite well beyond bunch of losers wanking in their bedrooms.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What original question? "
Whether you'd have been equally outraged by lack of mention of extreme feminism in the article if written by a male writer. Which I only asked because of the "whinging lady" statement in the OP.
It only took you 4 posts to answer. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's an article that appeared on the top three trending stories from all news sources.
Therefore it has momentum... It's sub section of the newspaper doesn't reduce its ability to divide people and incite fear
Oh no the big bad misogynists are coming to get us is the message.....Are the really?
Nope in reality they are a bunch of losers too busy wanking in the bedrooms
So you missed one of the main points of the article was the appointment of Steve Bannon from Breitbart as Trump's Chief Strategist? Sorry, but that goes quite well beyond bunch of losers wanking in their bedrooms.
-Matt"
You have a point but it is conflating too different things... Aka a powerful person and an impotent 'movement' that were tagged on for impact |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What original question?
Whether you'd have been equally outraged by lack of mention of extreme feminism in the article if written by a male writer. Which I only asked because of the "whinging lady" statement in the OP.
It only took you 4 posts to answer. "
The clue was in my first rebuttal that it has anything to do with her gender... Until you kept trying to put words in mouth for 4 posts |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"It's an article that appeared on the top three trending stories from all news sources.
Therefore it has momentum... It's sub section of the newspaper doesn't reduce its ability to divide people and incite fear
Oh no the big bad misogynists are coming to get us is the message.....Are the really?
Nope in reality they are a bunch of losers too busy wanking in the bedrooms
So you missed one of the main points of the article was the appointment of Steve Bannon from Breitbart as Trump's Chief Strategist? Sorry, but that goes quite well beyond bunch of losers wanking in their bedrooms.
-Matt
You have a point but it is conflating too different things... Aka a powerful person and an impotent 'movement' that were tagged on for impact "
I would say Bannon is quite powerful yes, but I wouldn't refer to the Republicans as 'impotent' quite yet
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Ruby you have a nasty habit of misquoting out of context for effect
I said 'lovely lady (who is) whinging' not 'whinging lady'
Eats, shoots and leaves |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ruby you have a nasty habit of misquoting out of context for effect
I said 'lovely lady (who is) whinging' not 'whinging lady'
Eats, shoots and leaves "
Shoot me now. Original point still stands. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Ruby you have a nasty habit of misquoting out of context for effect
I said 'lovely lady (who is) whinging' not 'whinging lady'
Eats, shoots and leaves
Shoot me now. Original point still stands. "
Oh God... What original point? |
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"Oh God now all this shit is going mainstream
Google threw some trending guardian story at me today from written by a lovely lady whinging about the dark corner of the Internet called the manosphere. I agree that they are mostly dweebs and losers but also I think they are more of a danger to themselves than society at large (talk about being dramatic...)
But and it's a big but... She should have at least nodded her cap to their opposite force.... The equally mental hardcore feminists...
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There is a real radicalisation of white young males happening, its patterns are very similar to the radicalisation of young muslim males.
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There is no comparison with cliques of "radfems" |
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"Ruby you have a nasty habit of misquoting out of context for effect
I said 'lovely lady (who is) whinging' not 'whinging lady'
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Shoot me now. Original point still stands.
Oh God... What original point? "
That you had indeed referred to the writer's gender several times in your opening post. |
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"Ruby you have a nasty habit of misquoting out of context for effect
I said 'lovely lady (who is) whinging' not 'whinging lady'
Eats, shoots and leaves
Shoot me now. Original point still stands.
Oh God... What original point?
That you had indeed referred to the writer's gender several times in your opening post."
OK then
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