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Is there a god ?

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By *odyor OP   Couple  over a year ago

Farnham

I realise there are lots of faiths, beliefs and ideas behind religion and that people have many views and opinions that we are all entitled to. I would like to say I'm open minded but when I see on tv tonight the amount of innocent children just in this country let alone others with such horrendous illnesses and medical problems I have to ask the subject question surely the most devout people must have their faith tested ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Why should a God care about people?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

To some yes, to me no

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By *asokittyWoman  over a year ago

Nr Worksop

In my opinion no.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Well, there's no evidence for a god or gods.

There's no evidence that prayer works.

So, if (like myself) you live in an evidence based paradigm the, it does sort of head down the route of "no".

If you don't live in an evidence based paradigm, then all bets are off.

Homeopathy here we come!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I realise there are lots of faiths, beliefs and ideas behind religion and that people have many views and opinions that we are all entitled to. I would like to say I'm open minded but when I see on tv tonight the amount of innocent children just in this country let alone others with such horrendous illnesses and medical problems I have to ask the subject question surely the most devout people must have their faith tested ?"

My opinion is we as individuals are all gods and depending on how we live our lives and treat others we become that in our death if we dont achieve this we come back untill we do

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Well, there's no evidence for a god or gods.

There's no evidence that prayer works.

So, if (like myself) you live in an evidence based paradigm the, it does sort of head down the route of "no".

If you don't live in an evidence based paradigm, then all bets are off.

Homeopathy here we come!"

There's no evidence there isn't.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

YES! see the '' yes i am the messiah'' thread

and fuck off

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

There has been research into prayer and health improvement (prayers for people who are ill). There was significant improvement in some studies, for the group who were prayed for, but was this was no proof that a 'god' was answering prayers. Could it be the people who prayed, passing on something through a medium we are not aware of etc.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"YES! see the '' yes i am the messiah'' thread

and fuck off "

He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

The Christian bible says god said 'let there be light'.....Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of the Big Bang explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light.".

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Well, there's no evidence for a god or gods.

There's no evidence that prayer works.

So, if (like myself) you live in an evidence based paradigm the, it does sort of head down the route of "no".

If you don't live in an evidence based paradigm, then all bets are off.

Homeopathy here we come!

There's no evidence there isn't."

True to some extent.

And of course, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

But, if we're talking about god, or gods, in the sense of ones that were capable of miracles, creation, etc, then you'd reasonably expect, I feel, to see some evidence.

There is, by the way, evidence that prayer doesn't work. Although I'm on a tablet and can't be bothered to do research to find the references, there have been plenty of trials to see if prayer works and metastudies to look for the effects of prayer. As far as I am aware, and please point me to the contrary evidence, there has been no, as in zero, evidence to suggest that prayer has any effect. Now, that is a pretty darn big gap, with a lot of prayer going on all the time I really think there would be some trail of evidence to show it works.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There has been research into prayer and health improvement (prayers for people who are ill). There was significant improvement in some studies, for the group who were prayed for, but was this was no proof that a 'god' was answering prayers. Could it be the people who prayed, passing on something through a medium we are not aware of etc."

Could you find references for this by any chance, I've followed some of the work on this and am of the view the contrary is the case, no evidence that it works.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Nope.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The Christian bible says god said 'let there be light'.....Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of the Big Bang explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light.". "

There's a link between these statements?

Said bible says the universe is some 6000 years old. As we know, the universe is rather older than that.

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

How can one prove that faith exists? There is no evidence for the concept of faith, yet people have it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The Christian bible says god said 'let there be light'.....Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of the Big Bang explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light.". "

Second statement: backed up with evidence, research and science.

First statement: backed up with.... er.... nothing.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

But we can't define a God.

If we could we'd have to know they existed. Although existence may be irrelevant to a God too...

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London

Why not ask something difficult?

Is there a God?

Plague, famine, natural disasters, war.

Good people getting treated badly and suffering and luck. Bad people getting all they want and more.

Animal extinction.

That doesn't mean that the world isn't a great place and that people can't be wonderful.

Why would anyone think there's a bigger plan?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can one prove that faith exists? There is no evidence for the concept of faith, yet people have it. "

Oh, that's easy enough, look around you, faith exists, as you say, loads have it.

Doesn't mean god does though does it?

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"The Christian bible says god said 'let there be light'.....Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of the Big Bang explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light.".

There's a link between these statements?

Said bible says the universe is some 6000 years old. As we know, the universe is rather older than that."

Yes and.....so what?

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By *avrick15Man  over a year ago

glasgow


"YES! see the '' yes i am the messiah'' thread

and fuck off "

He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The Christian bible says god said 'let there be light'.....Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of the Big Bang explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light.".

There's a link between these statements?

Said bible says the universe is some 6000 years old. As we know, the universe is rather older than that.

Yes and.....so what? "

Shows how useful the bible is to this discussion.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

evesham


"Why should a God care about people?"

Because we are told that he does.... How everything good that happens to people happens because if God's good will.

I am with Stephen Fry when it comes to God.

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By *ce WingerMan  over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes and it is the ultimate scientist who lobs something new into the Petrie dish now and then to see how we react.

Could get bored at any time or decide that the experiment is over and flush us down the sink.

Given that, fancy a fuck?

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By *avrick15Man  over a year ago

glasgow

Watch George Carlin YouTube videos about god

I'm with George

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The fact that men invented some religions and some ideas of gods that are more than likely - well unlikely... doesn't mean there is not a god.

A true god may be beyond our comprehension and have absolutely no interest in some little people on a planet in a distant corner of a universe.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

evesham


"Yes and it is the ultimate scientist who lobs something new into the Petrie dish now and then to see how we react.

Could get bored at any time or decide that the experiment is over and flush us down the sink.

Given that, fancy a fuck?"

The most unethical scientist that ever existed in that case.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why should a God care about people?

Because we are told that he does.... How everything good that happens to people happens because if God's good will.

I am with Stephen Fry when it comes to God. "

This is just stories people tell people to make them feel better (or manipulate them).

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By *ce WingerMan  over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"How can one prove that faith exists? There is no evidence for the concept of faith, yet people have it. "

That's why I define myself as an agnostic

God Is Dead? Black Sabbath

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhhOU5FUPBE

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fact that men invented some religions and some ideas of gods that are more than likely - well unlikely... doesn't mean there is not a god.

A true god may be beyond our comprehension and have absolutely no interest in some little people on a planet in a distant corner of a universe."

And certainly wouldn't have an ego that needs feeding by insignificant people gathering in stone buildings and singing songs

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"How can one prove that faith exists? There is no evidence for the concept of faith, yet people have it.

Oh, that's easy enough, look around you, faith exists, as you say, loads have it.

Doesn't mean god does though does it?"

I'm looking around - I can't see any faith. Is it invisible like air? Faith does not exist in an evidential form - it's a concept, a human mental construct therefore if you can't prove it's there, it doesn't exist, but you've said faith exists so by your own logic god can exist without proof.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fact that men invented some religions and some ideas of gods that are more than likely - well unlikely... doesn't mean there is not a god.

A true god may be beyond our comprehension and have absolutely no interest in some little people on a planet in a distant corner of a universe."

Very true and, perhaps, more likely than our usual idea of god. In which case, of course, religions are screwed!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yes and it is the ultimate scientist who lobs something new into the Petrie dish now and then to see how we react.

Could get bored at any time or decide that the experiment is over and flush us down the sink.

Given that, fancy a fuck?

The most unethical scientist that ever existed in that case. "

Pure science doesn't need ethics just hypothesis, test and results. When you wash your hands, do you consider the millions of life forms that you massacre? Same with The Scientist

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By *inky-MinxWoman  over a year ago

Grantham

I don't know for sure but I don't think so.

Though I do believe there is more to this life than we know and that 'science' can explain

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"How can one prove that faith exists? There is no evidence for the concept of faith, yet people have it. "

tend to agree, similar to love..

I suppose what it comes down to is that whatever works for one may not for another, be that a major belief system or something spiritual..

if no harm is caused to those who believe and to none believers by people of 'faith' then crack on with whatever it is that suits..

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

evesham


"Why should a God care about people?

Because we are told that he does.... How everything good that happens to people happens because if God's good will.

I am with Stephen Fry when it comes to God.

This is just stories people tell people to make them feel better (or manipulate them)."

But they tell them in His name. People are indoctrinated into thanking him on various holy days for the good things He does yet he in never accountable for all the shit things in the world.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple  over a year ago

Near Carmarthen


"The Christian bible says god said 'let there be light'..... "

God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them?

Because it's a load of stories made up by goat herders etc. to explain things they did not understand. that's why.

Of course there's no god. There isn't even the flimsiest scrap of evidence for a god. And if this supposed deity was all good and created the earth - well there wouldn't be any evil would there (it would be impossible)?

It's cobblers.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can one prove that faith exists? There is no evidence for the concept of faith, yet people have it.

Oh, that's easy enough, look around you, faith exists, as you say, loads have it.

Doesn't mean god does though does it?

I'm looking around - I can't see any faith. Is it invisible like air? Faith does not exist in an evidential form - it's a concept, a human mental construct therefore if you can't prove it's there, it doesn't exist, but you've said faith exists so by your own logic god can exist without proof. "

Well, go on then, define 'faith' so we understand what we're talking about, or else we're arguing about possibly different things.

That seems likely as, for me, faith is something that can be measured just like, say, political leanings.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

evesham


"Yes and it is the ultimate scientist who lobs something new into the Petrie dish now and then to see how we react.

Could get bored at any time or decide that the experiment is over and flush us down the sink.

Given that, fancy a fuck?

The most unethical scientist that ever existed in that case.

Pure science doesn't need ethics just hypothesis, test and results. When you wash your hands, do you consider the millions of life forms that you massacre? Same with The Scientist "

Bollocks.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The fact that men invented some religions and some ideas of gods that are more than likely - well unlikely... doesn't mean there is not a god.

A true god may be beyond our comprehension and have absolutely no interest in some little people on a planet in a distant corner of a universe.

And certainly wouldn't have an ego that needs feeding by insignificant people gathering in stone buildings and singing songs"

They might still like it though

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"The Christian bible says god said 'let there be light'.....Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of the Big Bang explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light.".

There's a link between these statements?

Said bible says the universe is some 6000 years old. As we know, the universe is rather older than that.

Yes and.....so what?

Shows how useful the bible is to this discussion."

Indeed it does because the bible said there was darkness and then suddenly light and the physicist agrees. There is evidence for the Big Bang theory.

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By *irtyGirlWoman  over a year ago

Edinburgh

Excellent... keeping it light on a Friday!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why should a God care about people?

Because we are told that he does.... How everything good that happens to people happens because if God's good will.

I am with Stephen Fry when it comes to God.

This is just stories people tell people to make them feel better (or manipulate them).

But they tell them in His name. People are indoctrinated into thanking him on various holy days for the good things He does yet he in never accountable for all the shit things in the world. "

That is still people telling other people stories.

That's it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There has been research into prayer and health improvement (prayers for people who are ill). There was significant improvement in some studies, for the group who were prayed for, but was this was no proof that a 'god' was answering prayers. Could it be the people who prayed, passing on something through a medium we are not aware of etc.

Could you find references for this by any chance, I've followed some of the work on this and am of the view the contrary is the case, no evidence that it works."

Long time since I researched this. Lots of random stuff on the web, not personally critiqued it.

Research at San Francisco General Hospital looked at the effect of prayer on 393 cardiac patients. Half were prayed for by strangers who had only the patients’ names. Those patients had fewer complications, fewer cases of pneumonia, and needed less drug treatment.

They also got better quicker and left the hospital earlier.

Concluded Knox: “Atheists can sneer at faith all they like, but they can’t assume science is on their side.”

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yes and it is the ultimate scientist who lobs something new into the Petrie dish now and then to see how we react.

Could get bored at any time or decide that the experiment is over and flush us down the sink.

Given that, fancy a fuck?

The most unethical scientist that ever existed in that case.

Pure science doesn't need ethics just hypothesis, test and results. When you wash your hands, do you consider the millions of life forms that you massacre? Same with The Scientist

Bollocks. "

Based on?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes.

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By *eliz NelsonMan  over a year ago

The Tantric Tea Shop


"I don't know for sure but I don't think so.

Though I do believe there is more to this life than we know and that 'science' can explain "

As Kinky says....but I often get the impression that many people assume 'God' if there is one, is a Gandalf style figure with a magic wand

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don't know for sure but I don't think so.

Though I do believe there is more to this life than we know and that 'science' can explain "

Just out of interest, why the quotes there?

No scientist would suggest that the whole of science can explain everything. However, scientific method, as in postulate, experiment, measure, conclude, adjust hypothesis, is the only way humanity has made any significant progress since the dark ages. Our whole civilisation and society is totally founded on science.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don't know for sure but I don't think so.

Though I do believe there is more to this life than we know and that 'science' can explain

As Kinky says....but I often get the impression that many people assume 'God' if there is one, is a Gandalf style figure with a magic wand"

More people assume she lives with them.

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"How can one prove that faith exists? There is no evidence for the concept of faith, yet people have it.

Oh, that's easy enough, look around you, faith exists, as you say, loads have it.

Doesn't mean god does though does it?

I'm looking around - I can't see any faith. Is it invisible like air? Faith does not exist in an evidential form - it's a concept, a human mental construct therefore if you can't prove it's there, it doesn't exist, but you've said faith exists so by your own logic god can exist without proof.

Well, go on then, define 'faith' so we understand what we're talking about, or else we're arguing about possibly different things.

That seems likely as, for me, faith is something that can be measured just like, say, political leanings. "

Faith is defined by its meaning in the Oxford English Dictionary for the purposes of my post. It doesn't change the fact of what I said above is true.

You admitted god can exist without proof because faith can exist without proof so if one can, then so can the other.

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By *erry bull1Man  over a year ago

doncaster

god ,,I thought you said goat

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes there is his name is Pooch but don't worry chaps he is a benevolent sausage

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The Christian bible says god said 'let there be light'.....Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of the Big Bang explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light.".

There's a link between these statements?

Said bible says the universe is some 6000 years old. As we know, the universe is rather older than that.

Yes and.....so what?

Shows how useful the bible is to this discussion.

Indeed it does because the bible said there was darkness and then suddenly light and the physicist agrees. There is evidence for the Big Bang theory. "

Nope. Not evidence, since other key points mean that the bible is not referring to the big bang.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don't know for sure but I don't think so.

Though I do believe there is more to this life than we know and that 'science' can explain

Just out of interest, why the quotes there?

No scientist would suggest that the whole of science can explain everything. However, scientific method, as in postulate, experiment, measure, conclude, adjust hypothesis, is the only way humanity has made any significant progress since the dark ages. Our whole civilisation and society is totally founded on science. "

Although that ignores a lot of progress via religion.

Science wasn't always that dominant.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't see why not. It hasn't been proven that there's a God, but equally it hasn't been proven that there isn't. But the existence of a deity would evplain a lot of strange phenomena. Besides, for me, it is the only understandable explanation for the physics theory that the universe came out of nothing. But I don't really understand physics anymore so than I understand theology. The masters of both subjects are on a higher intellectual level for my little brain.

Mrs

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"The Christian bible says god said 'let there be light'.....Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of the Big Bang explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light.".

There's a link between these statements?

Said bible says the universe is some 6000 years old. As we know, the universe is rather older than that.

Yes and.....so what?

Shows how useful the bible is to this discussion.

Indeed it does because the bible said there was darkness and then suddenly light and the physicist agrees. There is evidence for the Big Bang theory.

Nope. Not evidence, since other key points mean that the bible is not referring to the big bang."

Yeah? What points?

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By *avrick15Man  over a year ago

glasgow

A benevolent creator that sits on high, watching everything and promising eternal pain and damnation if you break one of his ten rules

But he loves you...

There's more physical proof of extraterrestrials than there is of Jesus

Give me a break... people can believe what they want but don't push that crap on others that want to look a bit more realistically at the world

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By *ce WingerMan  over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Excellent... keeping it light on a Friday! "

See this is the sort of shit that you've missed DG innit

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Excellent... keeping it light on a Friday!

See this is the sort of shit that you've missed DG innit "

Ha ha Ace

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"I don't know for sure but I don't think so.

Though I do believe there is more to this life than we know and that 'science' can explain

Just out of interest, why the quotes there?

No scientist would suggest that the whole of science can explain everything. However, scientific method, as in postulate, experiment, measure, conclude, adjust hypothesis, is the only way humanity has made any significant progress since the dark ages. Our whole civilisation and society is totally founded on science.

Although that ignores a lot of progress via religion.

Science wasn't always that dominant."

This is true. It's a mistake to think that society is "totally founded on science"...a simple google question comes up with this "....The question of who invented the scientific method shifts to Europe as the Renaissance began and the wisdom of the Greeks and Arabs helped Europe out of the Dark Ages. Roger Bacon (1214 - 1284) is credited as the first scholar to promote inductive reasoning as part of the scientific method...."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can one prove that faith exists? There is no evidence for the concept of faith, yet people have it.

Oh, that's easy enough, look around you, faith exists, as you say, loads have it.

Doesn't mean god does though does it?

I'm looking around - I can't see any faith. Is it invisible like air? Faith does not exist in an evidential form - it's a concept, a human mental construct therefore if you can't prove it's there, it doesn't exist, but you've said faith exists so by your own logic god can exist without proof.

Well, go on then, define 'faith' so we understand what we're talking about, or else we're arguing about possibly different things.

That seems likely as, for me, faith is something that can be measured just like, say, political leanings.

Faith is defined by its meaning in the Oxford English Dictionary for the purposes of my post. It doesn't change the fact of what I said above is true.

You admitted god can exist without proof because faith can exist without proof so if one can, then so can the other. "

Would it have been so hard to paste the definition?...

"Strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof."

Why can't you prove the existence of this? A well designed research project should do it.

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By *ce WingerMan  over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Yes. "

Fuck off, don't sit on the fence ffs

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"How can one prove that faith exists? There is no evidence for the concept of faith, yet people have it.

Oh, that's easy enough, look around you, faith exists, as you say, loads have it.

Doesn't mean god does though does it?

I'm looking around - I can't see any faith. Is it invisible like air? Faith does not exist in an evidential form - it's a concept, a human mental construct therefore if you can't prove it's there, it doesn't exist, but you've said faith exists so by your own logic god can exist without proof.

Well, go on then, define 'faith' so we understand what we're talking about, or else we're arguing about possibly different things.

That seems likely as, for me, faith is something that can be measured just like, say, political leanings.

Faith is defined by its meaning in the Oxford English Dictionary for the purposes of my post. It doesn't change the fact of what I said above is true.

You admitted god can exist without proof because faith can exist without proof so if one can, then so can the other.

Would it have been so hard to paste the definition?...

"Strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof."

Why can't you prove the existence of this? A well designed research project should do it."

You're running round in circles.....

Lack of proof doesn't necessitate lack of existence

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

A benevolent creator that sits on high, watching everything and promising eternal pain and damnation if you break one of his ten rules

But he loves you...

There's more physical proof of extraterrestrials than there is of Jesus

Give me a break... people can believe what they want but don't push that crap on others that want to look a bit more realistically at the world"

Now Jesus I can have more belief in. Not the son of God, rising from the dead Jesus. I can believe that there may have been a bloke who travelled around the Middle East basically telling people not to be dicks and to be more respectful of each other.

The story that got built around that then took on a life of its own and went a bit bonkers

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don't know for sure but I don't think so.

Though I do believe there is more to this life than we know and that 'science' can explain

Just out of interest, why the quotes there?

No scientist would suggest that the whole of science can explain everything. However, scientific method, as in postulate, experiment, measure, conclude, adjust hypothesis, is the only way humanity has made any significant progress since the dark ages. Our whole civilisation and society is totally founded on science.

Although that ignores a lot of progress via religion.

Science wasn't always that dominant."

True, I shoukd have said after the enlightenment rather than dark ages. I am happy to accept that religion has been a driver. But I contend that, in the last half millenium or so, it has been insigniificant compared to science.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The Christian bible says god said 'let there be light'.....Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of the Big Bang explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light.".

There's a link between these statements?

Said bible says the universe is some 6000 years old. As we know, the universe is rather older than that.

Yes and.....so what?

Shows how useful the bible is to this discussion.

Indeed it does because the bible said there was darkness and then suddenly light and the physicist agrees. There is evidence for the Big Bang theory.

Nope. Not evidence, since other key points mean that the bible is not referring to the big bang.

Yeah? What points?"

Well, age of universe for one. How can it be referring to big bang when it gets the age so wrong?

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By *andorasSecretCouple  over a year ago

Nr Birmingham

In the context of the Universe, we are very very very insignificant. If a god created us, is it our own personal god? Or is it the same, single god that created the Universe? In which case, God's so busy that he can only have us every second Tuesday.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

A benevolent creator that sits on high, watching everything and promising eternal pain and damnation if you break one of his ten rules

But he loves you...

There's more physical proof of extraterrestrials than there is of Jesus

Give me a break... people can believe what they want but don't push that crap on others that want to look a bit more realistically at the world"

There is proof of the existence of Jesus. That's accepted amongst secular historians. Data from the Roman census, amongst other literature of the time, does make him no less real than other historical people from the Roman history.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If you want to put forward a theory it has to be backed up with evidence. I think the stance of the scientific community is generally one of; "I will accept the existence of a God if the evidence supports it". The point is you cant just make something up and present it as fact or 'faith' without that evidence. Mostly = the onus is on the person with the hypothesis to back it up rather than other to disprove it!

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By *iamondjoeMan  over a year ago

Glastonbury

No

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Since when does a theory need evidence?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don't know for sure but I don't think so.

Though I do believe there is more to this life than we know and that 'science' can explain

Just out of interest, why the quotes there?

No scientist would suggest that the whole of science can explain everything. However, scientific method, as in postulate, experiment, measure, conclude, adjust hypothesis, is the only way humanity has made any significant progress since the dark ages. Our whole civilisation and society is totally founded on science.

Although that ignores a lot of progress via religion.

Science wasn't always that dominant.

This is true. It's a mistake to think that society is "totally founded on science"...a simple google question comes up with this "....The question of who invented the scientific method shifts to Europe as the Renaissance began and the wisdom of the Greeks and Arabs helped Europe out of the Dark Ages. Roger Bacon (1214 - 1284) is credited as the first scholar to promote inductive reasoning as part of the scientific method....""

Try doing without science then.

Population of England 3 000 000 do it for you?

No medicine, that is zero.

Life expectancy?

Infant mortality?

Death in childbirth rate?

Communications for the average person at the speed of a human foot. For a rich person at the speed of a walking horse.

Food truly seasonal and winter to be scared of.

Go to bed when it gets dark and get up when it gets light.

Oh, and the killer... negligible swinging!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Since the inception of Scientific theories.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can one prove that faith exists? There is no evidence for the concept of faith, yet people have it.

Oh, that's easy enough, look around you, faith exists, as you say, loads have it.

Doesn't mean god does though does it?

I'm looking around - I can't see any faith. Is it invisible like air? Faith does not exist in an evidential form - it's a concept, a human mental construct therefore if you can't prove it's there, it doesn't exist, but you've said faith exists so by your own logic god can exist without proof.

Well, go on then, define 'faith' so we understand what we're talking about, or else we're arguing about possibly different things.

That seems likely as, for me, faith is something that can be measured just like, say, political leanings.

Faith is defined by its meaning in the Oxford English Dictionary for the purposes of my post. It doesn't change the fact of what I said above is true.

You admitted god can exist without proof because faith can exist without proof so if one can, then so can the other.

Would it have been so hard to paste the definition?...

"Strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof."

Why can't you prove the existence of this? A well designed research project should do it.

You're running round in circles.....

Lack of proof doesn't necessitate lack of existence "

What on earth? I'm suggesting that you can prove it.

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By *avrick15Man  over a year ago

glasgow

Here's my issues with religion

- Ancient form of control before the rule of law

- perverted (not in a good way) by the word of man looking for control and power and continues to do so

- slaughtered millions over the ages and continues to divide the human race

- has no basis of truth or evidence and instead uses fear and damnation and the unexplained as devine intervention

- is intolerant of other beliefs

- encourages people to push those beliefs onto others in many cases unwarranted and sometimes violently

So in short I think we could do without it really

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"No"

Oh, you contrary Mary, you!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

A benevolent creator that sits on high, watching everything and promising eternal pain and damnation if you break one of his ten rules

But he loves you...

There's more physical proof of extraterrestrials than there is of Jesus

Give me a break... people can believe what they want but don't push that crap on others that want to look a bit more realistically at the world

Now Jesus I can have more belief in. Not the son of God, rising from the dead Jesus. I can believe that there may have been a bloke who travelled around the Middle East basically telling people not to be dicks and to be more respectful of each other.

The story that got built around that then took on a life of its own and went a bit bonkers "

It seems pretty likely that Jesus existed.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Since the inception of Scientific theories."

I think gobbledygook existed before (and since) (and right now)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Since when does a theory need evidence?"

Theory = proven, supported by evidence.

Hypothesis = unproven, design an experiment and see if it is true.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Since when does a theory need evidence?

Theory = proven, supported by evidence.

Hypothesis = unproven, design an experiment and see if it is true."

"scientific theory"

I don't think the question was intended to be a scientific theory!

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By *avrick15Man  over a year ago

glasgow


"

A benevolent creator that sits on high, watching everything and promising eternal pain and damnation if you break one of his ten rules

But he loves you...

There's more physical proof of extraterrestrials than there is of Jesus

Give me a break... people can believe what they want but don't push that crap on others that want to look a bit more realistically at the world

Now Jesus I can have more belief in. Not the son of God, rising from the dead Jesus. I can believe that there may have been a bloke who travelled around the Middle East basically telling people not to be dicks and to be more respectful of each other.

The story that got built around that then took on a life of its own and went a bit bonkers

It seems pretty likely that Jesus existed."

Totally but it's true there is more evidence of fucking aliens than of Jesus lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Some say god created man....I believe that man created god. An ignorant and ancient mankind created god to explain things they could not understand. The more we understand...the less we need a god.

I would have thought, that as a species, we should have outgrown the concept of or a need for a god many centuries ago.

But the big religions need to keep the idea going to hold on to power......

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

But you could say anything and say it's fact but if there is no tangible evidence to examine then you can't make an informed judgement.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"But you could say anything and say it's fact but if there is no tangible evidence to examine then you can't make an informed judgement."

People do (and did).

Hence the debate

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

A benevolent creator that sits on high, watching everything and promising eternal pain and damnation if you break one of his ten rules

But he loves you...

There's more physical proof of extraterrestrials than there is of Jesus

Give me a break... people can believe what they want but don't push that crap on others that want to look a bit more realistically at the world

Now Jesus I can have more belief in. Not the son of God, rising from the dead Jesus. I can believe that there may have been a bloke who travelled around the Middle East basically telling people not to be dicks and to be more respectful of each other.

The story that got built around that then took on a life of its own and went a bit bonkers

It seems pretty likely that Jesus existed.

Totally but it's true there is more evidence of fucking aliens than of Jesus lol "

There is plenty of evidence of aliens fucking. Go in chat right now...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Since when does a theory need evidence?

Theory = proven, supported by evidence.

Hypothesis = unproven, design an experiment and see if it is true.

"scientific theory"

I don't think the question was intended to be a scientific theory!"

But everything is part of science therefore has to stand up to scientific scrutiny.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't believe that there's a god but I do believe there's an after life or a higher plain of some kind ...it can't be the end when you die...definitely some kind of next level or reincarnation maybe

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Even with the scientific knowledge the world has today, so many intelligent human beings continue to have a personal spiritual belief and faith. That belief or faith comes from within and is personal to the individual. No amount of science or logical thinking can prove or disprove a person's innermost beliefs.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I used to pray for a new bike when I was a kid, my prayers went unheard and alas....no bike

So I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.....much easier

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Since when does a theory need evidence?

Theory = proven, supported by evidence.

Hypothesis = unproven, design an experiment and see if it is true.

"scientific theory"

I don't think the question was intended to be a scientific theory!

But everything is part of science therefore has to stand up to scientific scrutiny."

No it's not! That's kinda the point.

Science is man's tool.

It's arrogant to assume we know (or are even capable of knowing) everything.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

A benevolent creator that sits on high, watching everything and promising eternal pain and damnation if you break one of his ten rules

But he loves you...

There's more physical proof of extraterrestrials than there is of Jesus

Give me a break... people can believe what they want but don't push that crap on others that want to look a bit more realistically at the world

Now Jesus I can have more belief in. Not the son of God, rising from the dead Jesus. I can believe that there may have been a bloke who travelled around the Middle East basically telling people not to be dicks and to be more respectful of each other.

The story that got built around that then took on a life of its own and went a bit bonkers

It seems pretty likely that Jesus existed.

Totally but it's true there is more evidence of fucking aliens than of Jesus lol "

I so wish you were right, I'd love it if there was evidence of aliens, especially of them fucking, but in reality, there is none.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don't believe that there's a god but I do believe there's an after life or a higher plain of some kind ...it can't be the end when you die...definitely some kind of next level or reincarnation maybe "

I hope you're right.......but I doubt it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Besides, who said God had nothing to do with science?

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By *avrick15Man  over a year ago

glasgow


"

A benevolent creator that sits on high, watching everything and promising eternal pain and damnation if you break one of his ten rules

But he loves you...

There's more physical proof of extraterrestrials than there is of Jesus

Give me a break... people can believe what they want but don't push that crap on others that want to look a bit more realistically at the world

Now Jesus I can have more belief in. Not the son of God, rising from the dead Jesus. I can believe that there may have been a bloke who travelled around the Middle East basically telling people not to be dicks and to be more respectful of each other.

The story that got built around that then took on a life of its own and went a bit bonkers

It seems pretty likely that Jesus existed.

Totally but it's true there is more evidence of fucking aliens than of Jesus lol

I so wish you were right, I'd love it if there was evidence of aliens, especially of them fucking, but in reality, there is none."

Ha ha never quite pondered the fucking part but ok... I suppose they would

On a serious note in all probability there are millions of races out there.. just by sheer mathematics

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Since when does a theory need evidence?

Theory = proven, supported by evidence.

Hypothesis = unproven, design an experiment and see if it is true.

"scientific theory"

I don't think the question was intended to be a scientific theory!

But everything is part of science therefore has to stand up to scientific scrutiny.

No it's not! That's kinda the point.

Science is man's tool.

It's arrogant to assume we know (or are even capable of knowing) everything."

Well, no one assumes we do do they?

Capable of knowing is another thing, why do you assert that is arrogant? I accept unlikely, even extremely so, but why arrogant?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No I don't think so

If there was they I think he is an evil old Twat

Sorry if this offends people

But if there was a good why do people suffer in pain?

Why do young innocent babies and children die?

Why is it that the good/nice people all die and yet the vile, evil, rotten people live till a ripe old age?

Because if there was a God and he was as great as they make out this would never happen

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Would aliens swing?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Since when does a theory need evidence?

Theory = proven, supported by evidence.

Hypothesis = unproven, design an experiment and see if it is true.

"scientific theory"

I don't think the question was intended to be a scientific theory!

But everything is part of science therefore has to stand up to scientific scrutiny.

No it's not! That's kinda the point.

Science is man's tool.

It's arrogant to assume we know (or are even capable of knowing) everything."

But there isn't anything within the known universe that isn't part of physics. Whether we understand it is another matter. Most of how space functions for example is unknown by humans. Science doesn't claim to understand it, but we know it exists at least (or the little we have seen of it).

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Since when does a theory need evidence?

Theory = proven, supported by evidence.

Hypothesis = unproven, design an experiment and see if it is true.

"scientific theory"

I don't think the question was intended to be a scientific theory!

But everything is part of science therefore has to stand up to scientific scrutiny.

No it's not! That's kinda the point.

Science is man's tool.

It's arrogant to assume we know (or are even capable of knowing) everything.

Well, no one assumes we do do they?

Capable of knowing is another thing, why do you assert that is arrogant? I accept unlikely, even extremely so, but why arrogant?"

If you make the statement "everything is to do with science" you assume science is capable of knowing all.

It may not be.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

A benevolent creator that sits on high, watching everything and promising eternal pain and damnation if you break one of his ten rules

But he loves you...

There's more physical proof of extraterrestrials than there is of Jesus

Give me a break... people can believe what they want but don't push that crap on others that want to look a bit more realistically at the world

Now Jesus I can have more belief in. Not the son of God, rising from the dead Jesus. I can believe that there may have been a bloke who travelled around the Middle East basically telling people not to be dicks and to be more respectful of each other.

The story that got built around that then took on a life of its own and went a bit bonkers

It seems pretty likely that Jesus existed.

Totally but it's true there is more evidence of fucking aliens than of Jesus lol

I so wish you were right, I'd love it if there was evidence of aliens, especially of them fucking, but in reality, there is none.

Ha ha never quite pondered the fucking part but ok... I suppose they would

On a serious note in all probability there are millions of races out there.. just by sheer mathematics "

Absolutely, it is pure arrogance to assume we're alone. Intelligent life is another matter, it's only been around here for 1 or 2 million years, which in the lifetime of the universe is tiny. It could be that we are the only intelligent ones right now. Hope not, but that is possible mathematically.

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By *avrick15Man  over a year ago

glasgow


"Would aliens swing?"

Now that would be cool

Intergalactic swingers club on Uranus

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be).

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Would aliens swing?

Now that would be cool

Intergalactic swingers club on Uranus "

I don't do that. Just a preference

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Would aliens swing?"

Imagine aliens looking down at earth....how stupid must we look.

We have nukes pointing at ourselves for fuck sake

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Since when does a theory need evidence?

Theory = proven, supported by evidence.

Hypothesis = unproven, design an experiment and see if it is true.

"scientific theory"

I don't think the question was intended to be a scientific theory!

But everything is part of science therefore has to stand up to scientific scrutiny.

No it's not! That's kinda the point.

Science is man's tool.

It's arrogant to assume we know (or are even capable of knowing) everything.

Well, no one assumes we do do they?

Capable of knowing is another thing, why do you assert that is arrogant? I accept unlikely, even extremely so, but why arrogant?

If you make the statement "everything is to do with science" you assume science is capable of knowing all.

It may not be."

OK, personally, I wouldn't say that was arrogant though.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Would aliens swing?

Imagine aliens looking down at earth....how stupid must we look.

We have nukes pointing at ourselves for fuck sake "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be)."

Of course it's possible. It's also possible that we are not even a conscious species, but an advanced artificial computer algorithm.

That is also a 'theory'

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By *ohnaronMan  over a year ago

london


"No"

If _iamondjoe did not exist it would be necessary to invent him - Voldemont.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OK, personally, I wouldn't say that was arrogant though."

Arrogant: having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

I'd say assuming you can know all would be arrogant.

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By *avrick15Man  over a year ago

glasgow


"Would aliens swing?

Now that would be cool

Intergalactic swingers club on Uranus

I don't do that. Just a preference "

Hey just a location much like a suggestion it's all good access by the font entrance near the Milky Way x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be).

Of course it's possible. It's also possible that we are not even a conscious species, but an advanced artificial computer algorithm.

That is also a 'theory'"

More likely that we'll become one.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be).

Of course it's possible. It's also possible that we are not even a conscious species, but an advanced artificial computer algorithm.

That is also a 'theory'"

Nor sure that that is even a hypothesis!

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By *ce WingerMan  over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Besides, who said God had nothing to do with science?"

You'd be better off asking Stephen Hawking about that one I think

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Would aliens swing?

Now that would be cool

Intergalactic swingers club on Uranus

I don't do that. Just a preference

Hey just a location much like a suggestion it's all good access by the font entrance near the Milky Way x "

I heard Venus is better.

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By *avrick15Man  over a year ago

glasgow


"Would aliens swing?

Imagine aliens looking down at earth....how stupid must we look.

We have nukes pointing at ourselves for fuck sake "

Indeed hence why they must be thinking fuck that they are mental they kill each other stay out the way... barbarians

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By *avrick15Man  over a year ago

glasgow


"Would aliens swing?

Now that would be cool

Intergalactic swingers club on Uranus

I don't do that. Just a preference

Hey just a location much like a suggestion it's all good access by the font entrance near the Milky Way x

I heard Venus is better."

Sold... take me to the stars

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be).

Of course it's possible. It's also possible that we are not even a conscious species, but an advanced artificial computer algorithm.

That is also a 'theory'

Nor sure that that is even a hypothesis!"

It actually is. And more probable than the existence of God lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be).

Of course it's possible. It's also possible that we are not even a conscious species, but an advanced artificial computer algorithm.

That is also a 'theory'

Nor sure that that is even a hypothesis!

It actually is. And more probable than the existence of God lol"

Would the programmer be a god?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be).

Of course it's possible. It's also possible that we are not even a conscious species, but an advanced artificial computer algorithm.

That is also a 'theory'

Nor sure that that is even a hypothesis!

It actually is. And more probable than the existence of God lol

Would the programmer be a god?"

In relative terms, yes.

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By *ohnaronMan  over a year ago

london

Where are the Sciontolocolbollocologists when you need them?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"YES! see the '' yes i am the messiah'' thread

and fuck off

He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy

"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be).

Of course it's possible. It's also possible that we are not even a conscious species, but an advanced artificial computer algorithm.

That is also a 'theory'

Nor sure that that is even a hypothesis!

It actually is. And more probable than the existence of God lol

Would the programmer be a god?

In relative terms, yes."

We always knew the nerds would win

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be).

Of course it's possible. It's also possible that we are not even a conscious species, but an advanced artificial computer algorithm.

That is also a 'theory'

Nor sure that that is even a hypothesis!

It actually is. And more probable than the existence of God lol

Would the programmer be a god?

In relative terms, yes.

We always knew the nerds would win "

Obviously!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be).

Of course it's possible. It's also possible that we are not even a conscious species, but an advanced artificial computer algorithm.

That is also a 'theory'

Nor sure that that is even a hypothesis!

It actually is. And more probable than the existence of God lol

Would the programmer be a god?

In relative terms, yes.

We always knew the nerds would win

Obviously!"

and they're already here therefore...

we're surrounded by gods on their playstations

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By *ce WingerMan  over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Would the programmer be a god?"

Only on Songs of Praise

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be).

Of course it's possible. It's also possible that we are not even a conscious species, but an advanced artificial computer algorithm.

That is also a 'theory'

Nor sure that that is even a hypothesis!

It actually is. And more probable than the existence of God lol

Would the programmer be a god?

In relative terms, yes.

We always knew the nerds would win

Obviously!

and they're already here therefore...

we're surrounded by gods on their playstations "

That's could work as a hypothesis; do computer characters have consciousness?

Now there's nothing stopping me saying, "I have faith that they do...

Prove me wrong".

It's not too far removed from religion

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be).

Of course it's possible. It's also possible that we are not even a conscious species, but an advanced artificial computer algorithm.

That is also a 'theory'

Nor sure that that is even a hypothesis!

It actually is. And more probable than the existence of God lol

Would the programmer be a god?

In relative terms, yes.

We always knew the nerds would win

Obviously!

and they're already here therefore...

we're surrounded by gods on their playstations

That's could work as a hypothesis; do computer characters have consciousness?

Now there's nothing stopping me saying, "I have faith that they do...

Prove me wrong".

It's not too far removed from religion"

More to the point I don't think we're too far from the point where they will.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How can you possible know what you don't know exists??

This IS the debate.

You don't. Therefore it is possible that a god may exist (or not exist but be).

Of course it's possible. It's also possible that we are not even a conscious species, but an advanced artificial computer algorithm.

That is also a 'theory'

Nor sure that that is even a hypothesis!

It actually is. And more probable than the existence of God lol

Would the programmer be a god?

In relative terms, yes.

We always knew the nerds would win

Obviously!

and they're already here therefore...

we're surrounded by gods on their playstations

That's could work as a hypothesis; do computer characters have consciousness?

Now there's nothing stopping me saying, "I have faith that they do...

Prove me wrong".

It's not too far removed from religion

More to the point I don't think we're too far from the point where they will."

So we're all in agreement that the answer to the original question is 'no'? Who would have thought a swingers forum would have solved one of the greatest problems in the universe!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No it's just confirmed what I already believed.

Rachel Riley is a god.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No, but if it makes people feel better to believe in a God I'm glad for them. Just a shame to some it takes blowing people up to be "happy" or "at peace".

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By *aucy3Couple  over a year ago

glasgow

No God

Though the concept of faith,

Is beyond genius.

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By *riskynriskyCouple  over a year ago

Essex.


"I realise there are lots of faiths, beliefs and ideas behind religion and that people have many views and opinions that we are all entitled to. I would like to say I'm open minded but when I see on tv tonight the amount of innocent children just in this country let alone others with such horrendous illnesses and medical problems I have to ask the subject question surely the most devout people must have their faith tested ?"

The true believer has a simple answer to your question..."A teacher is alway quiet during a test." That is how they justify God sitting back and watching children die.

On the other hand if God created everything and a pretty damn big everything at that, it would be like a farmer worrying about the inhabitants of an ants nest somewhere on his 20,000 acre farm...I doubt he remembers it's there...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I believe there is something, but I'm not into organised religion

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By *adyDangerWoman  over a year ago

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"I believe there is something, but I'm not into organised religion "

Just organised sex

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm wondering how many people who commented no celebrate Christmas? ...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I believe there is something, but I'm not into organised religion

Just organised sex "

mostly anal

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm wondering how many people who commented no celebrate Christmas? ... "

I celebrate Christmas it's my favorite excuse for a piss up

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"when I see on tv tonight the amount of innocent children just in this country let alone others with such horrendous illnesses and medical problems I have to ask the subject question surely the most devout people must have their faith tested ?"

I have a question- do barbers exist? You know, those guys and gals who apparently cut peoples hair?

Maybe they don't exist, otherwise why do so many people walk around with poor styles or shabby hair?

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By *aucy3Couple  over a year ago

glasgow


"I'm wondering how many people who commented no celebrate Christmas? ... "

I believe in nothing.

Though Christmas is my favourite time of year.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm wondering how many people who commented no celebrate Christmas? ... "

Its not originally a Christian/God-related festival.

Pagan, celebrating nature.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I realise there are lots of faiths, beliefs and ideas behind religion and that people have many views and opinions that we are all entitled to. I would like to say I'm open minded but when I see on tv tonight the amount of innocent children just in this country let alone others with such horrendous illnesses and medical problems I have to ask the subject question surely the most devout people must have their faith tested ?"

Universal spiriuality maybe at the most but all seeing all knowing god nah not convinced keep trying to catch a glimpse of tooth fairy though she might be hot

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm wondering how many people who commented no celebrate Christmas? ...

Its not originally a Christian/God-related festival.

Pagan, celebrating nature.

"

I just thought it was to celebrate Jesus being born. ..

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By *lackXealMan  over a year ago

Middlesbrough

This post can ever end.

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By *ubble troubleCouple  over a year ago

Manchester

The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing us he was God.

People claim someone is cured of illness because of prayer. So this god basically said I'm going to give that innocent child a horrible cancer and unless you pray like mad to me I'm going give her an excruciating death, and even if you pray, I might still make her die horribly.

No, there is no god. Why would anybody want to worship such a vain, sadistic bastard?

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By *ubble troubleCouple  over a year ago

Manchester


"I'm wondering how many people who commented no celebrate Christmas? ...

Its not originally a Christian/God-related festival.

Pagan, celebrating nature.

I just thought it was to celebrate Jesus being born. .."

Nope the Christian mafia incorporated existing pagan rituals into their new scam.

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By *ollogMan  over a year ago

Ballymena

If someone feels better believing in something, good for them. However I only believe in reality, not blind faith!

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By *ollogMan  over a year ago

Ballymena

If someone feels better believing in something, good for them. However I only believe in reality, not blind faith!

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By *lackXealMan  over a year ago

Middlesbrough


"The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing us he was God.

People claim someone is cured of illness because of prayer. So this god basically said I'm going to give that innocent child a horrible cancer and unless you pray like mad to me I'm going give her an excruciating death, and even if you pray, I might still make her die horribly.

No, there is no god. Why would anybody want to worship such a vain, sadistic bastard? "

Why do you think it was god that gave him cancer

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This post can ever end. "

it can.

The subject most likely won't for a while.

I'm just gonna go enjoy life and let em bicker it out and just wait and see who won. then I'll jump on the bandwagon and come in for the big win

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing us he was God.

People claim someone is cured of illness because of prayer. So this god basically said I'm going to give that innocent child a horrible cancer and unless you pray like mad to me I'm going give her an excruciating death, and even if you pray, I might still make her die horribly.

No, there is no god. Why would anybody want to worship such a vain, sadistic bastard? "

Why go to work? Why do anything when it means fuck all and you'll die anyway?

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By *ohnaronMan  over a year ago

london


"The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing us he was God.

People claim someone is cured of illness because of prayer. So this god basically said I'm going to give that innocent child a horrible cancer and unless you pray like mad to me I'm going give her an excruciating death, and even if you pray, I might still make her die horribly.

No, there is no god. Why would anybody want to worship such a vain, sadistic bastard?

Why go to work? Why do anything when it means fuck all and you'll die anyway?"

Must agree.

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By *ire_bladeMan  over a year ago

Manchester

If there is he plays some cruel games

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By *ubble troubleCouple  over a year ago

Manchester


"

Why do you think it was god that gave him cancer "

There is no god so I don't actually believe a god gave anybody cancer, I'm just trying to point out the complete lack of logic from people who thank God for curing cancer after they have prayed. If the god is actively curing cancer why don't those same people ask why the hell he gave a child cancer in the first place?

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By *ubble troubleCouple  over a year ago

Manchester


"

Why go to work? Why do anything when it means fuck all and you'll die anyway?"

Why? Because life is an incredible thing and it doesn't need any fairy tales to give it meaning. Science is showing us how bloody amazing the universe is.

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By *mber GamblerCouple  over a year ago

rugby

Of course there are no Gods. There never has and never will be proof of any existence of any of the gods that various religions have cooked up.

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By *aucy3Couple  over a year ago

glasgow


"The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing us he was God.

People claim someone is cured of illness because of prayer. So this god basically said I'm going to give that innocent child a horrible cancer and unless you pray like mad to me I'm going give her an excruciating death, and even if you pray, I might still make her die horribly.

No, there is no god. Why would anybody want to worship such a vain, sadistic bastard?

Why do you think it was god that gave him cancer "

We all need someone to blame.

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By *mber GamblerCouple  over a year ago

rugby


"I'm wondering how many people who commented no celebrate Christmas? ... "

Christmas has nothing to do with baby Jesus. It was hijacked from pagans. So all you athiests. Don't worry about it.

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By *mber GamblerCouple  over a year ago

rugby


"There has been research into prayer and health improvement (prayers for people who are ill). There was significant improvement in some studies, for the group who were prayed for, but was this was no proof that a 'god' was answering prayers. Could it be the people who prayed, passing on something through a medium we are not aware of etc."

I think I heard about this. People who prayed themselves, come off the worst. Then it was people who didn't pray. But the people that had the best outcome were the ones who had people pray for them. My feeling is. It's nothing to do with any gods, or the people who prayed for themselves would have got better. The people who had folk praying for them, had a very good support network, which would help you get better.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm wondering how many people who commented no celebrate Christmas? ...

Its not originally a Christian/God-related festival.

Pagan, celebrating nature.

I just thought it was to celebrate Jesus being born. .."

Wait til you discover that hot cross buns have fuck all to do with Jesus' cross. And Easter isn't what you might think either...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 19/11/16 18:40:51]

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes there is... And the West has stopped fearing him, hence our imminent demise. We should have learnt from Rome.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yes there is... And the West has stopped fearing him, hence our imminent demise. We should have learnt from Rome.

"

Meanwhile in devout Africa he's looking after them so well...

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Yes there is... And the West has stopped fearing him, hence our imminent demise. We should have learnt from Rome.

"

Now this I do agree with lots of gods...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I was taught that less enlightened people than us today when a disaster happened they put it down to a higher being being angry with them ie a volcano erupted that God in the volcano was angry and so forth I've never seen god but I have never seen the wind but I have felt it and seen its effects but this is an argument used by others to convince you there is a God .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I really hope so ....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I believe in something bigger then mankind something we can't really comprehend its too mind blowing and we never will truly understand until we meet our maker call it a god or whatever.

Maybe i'm wrong but i take my chances i have nothing to loose and everything to gain.

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"I believe in something bigger then mankind something we can't really comprehend its too mind blowing and we never will truly understand until we meet our maker call it a god or whatever.

Maybe i'm wrong but i take my chances i have nothing to loose and everything to gain. "

There could be a gym analogy in that

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The Epicurean Paradox:-

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

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By *ubble troubleCouple  over a year ago

Manchester


"Yes there is... And the West has stopped fearing him, hence our imminent demise. We should have learnt from Rome.

"
Best comedy posting of the day. Have you ever wondered why natural disasters seem to strike the more religious countries?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yes there is... And the West has stopped fearing him, hence our imminent demise. We should have learnt from Rome.

Best comedy posting of the day. Have you ever wondered why natural disasters seem to strike the more religious countries?"

No, because they don't. The two most religious countries on earth are Saudi Arabia and Israel and I can't recall many disasters happening in either.

Natural disasters tend to happen in over-populated, impoverished countries. It is is the Lord's way of culling.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't think it matters too much as long as we are each comfortable in our own beliefs and don't push them on others, in Wiccan but I'd never dream of trying to convert someone that didn't believe, if they were curious and wanted to ask questions then cool but each to their own, if/when disaster strikes we all need something to turn to, wether that's a god or something else, either way it's personal choice

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By *adyDangerWoman  over a year ago

land of debauchery and kink


"Yes there is... And the West has stopped fearing him, hence our imminent demise. We should have learnt from Rome.

Best comedy posting of the day. Have you ever wondered why natural disasters seem to strike the more religious countries?

No, because they don't. The two most religious countries on earth are Saudi Arabia and Israel and I can't recall many disasters happening in either.

Natural disasters tend to happen in over-populated, impoverished countries. It is is the Lord's way of culling. "

Natural disasters happen as a result of positioning of the earths tectonic plates effecting numerous natural occurrences such as earthquakes tsunamis and volcanic eruptions

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yes there is... And the West has stopped fearing him, hence our imminent demise. We should have learnt from Rome.

Best comedy posting of the day. Have you ever wondered why natural disasters seem to strike the more religious countries?

No, because they don't. The two most religious countries on earth are Saudi Arabia and Israel and I can't recall many disasters happening in either.

Natural disasters tend to happen in over-populated, impoverished countries. It is is the Lord's way of culling. "

By what reckoning are they the "two most religious" countries on Earth?

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I believe in a supernatural force and other planes of being other than this one but I don't believe there is a single all encompassing god. I'm certainly not in favour of organised religion, be it Christian or any of their sub groups or anything else. I'm a firm believer in self belief - you can do a lot more in or with your head than you think you can.

Anyway, this god has spoken and so endeth this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Turns out the "two most religious" countries on Earth didn't even rank in the top thirty

Just 51% of people in Israel reporting religion to be of importance to them.

The top two: Sri Lanka & Malawi. Both with more than their fair share of natural disasters in recent times to say nothing of HIV in Malawi.

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