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"Caitlyn Jenner, 67, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, is an American television personality and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. Had to Google that
Who needs to label anyone?"Because we love labels 
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity..." Are you saying that all identity is make believe? If you are then by your definition transgender is as real as every other way of defining one's identity. | |||
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"Caitlyn Jenner, 67, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, is an American television personality and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. Had to Google that
Who needs to label anyone?
Because we love labels
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"Caitlyn Jenner, 67, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, is an American television personality and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. Had to Google that
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Because we love labels
I'll call her her a bloke in a dress with titties "Whatever your personal feelings are regarding transgender people, why do you have to call her anything??  have some respect for other peoples feelings. | |||
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity... Are you saying that all identity is make believe? If you are then by your definition transgender is as real as every other way of defining one's identity. " I definitely believe that your identity is make belief. Your gender isn't though. A woman can never know what it is to be a man in a fundamental level nor can a man now what it's like to be a woman. Caitlyn can call herself whatever she wants.i'll happily call her miss or caitlyn but she will always be a man pretending to be a woman | |||
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"Caitlyn Jenner, 67, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, is an American television personality and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. Had to Google that
Who needs to label anyone?
Because we love labels
I'll call her her a bloke in a dress with titties
Whatever your personal feelings are regarding transgender people, why do you have to call her anything?? have some respect for other peoples feelings. "Like I said I'm happy for her to do what ever she wants. Although I couldn't give a shit about her feelings to be honest. | |||
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity... Are you saying that all identity is make believe? If you are then by your definition transgender is as real as every other way of defining one's identity. I definitely believe that your identity is make belief. Your gender isn't though. A woman can never know what it is to be a man in a fundamental level nor can a man now what it's like to be a woman. Caitlyn can call herself whatever she wants.i'll happily call her miss or caitlyn but she will always be a man pretending to be a woman" What, in your opinion, is the definition of male/female then? Is it about body parts, iE women have boobs and a vagina, men a penis? | |||
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity... Are you saying that all identity is make believe? If you are then by your definition transgender is as real as every other way of defining one's identity. I definitely believe that your identity is make belief. Your gender isn't though. A woman can never know what it is to be a man in a fundamental level nor can a man now what it's like to be a woman. Caitlyn can call herself whatever she wants.i'll happily call her miss or caitlyn but she will always be a man pretending to be a woman" So gender and identity are separate? Why can't she define herself by her identity rather than her gender? | |||
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity... Are you saying that all identity is make believe? If you are then by your definition transgender is as real as every other way of defining one's identity. I definitely believe that your identity is make belief. Your gender isn't though. A woman can never know what it is to be a man in a fundamental level nor can a man now what it's like to be a woman. Caitlyn can call herself whatever she wants.i'll happily call her miss or caitlyn but she will always be a man pretending to be a woman What, in your opinion, is the definition of male/female then? Is it about body parts, iE women have boobs and a vagina, men a penis? " Plus all the different hormones we produce and the difference in our brains... | |||
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity... Are you saying that all identity is make believe? If you are then by your definition transgender is as real as every other way of defining one's identity. I definitely believe that your identity is make belief. Your gender isn't though. A woman can never know what it is to be a man in a fundamental level nor can a man now what it's like to be a woman. Caitlyn can call herself whatever she wants.i'll happily call her miss or caitlyn but she will always be a man pretending to be a woman So gender and identity are separate? Why can't she define herself by her identity rather than her gender? " She can identity as what ever she wants. I've said that from the start..no one will ever convince me though that she is a woman | |||
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity... Are you saying that all identity is make believe? If you are then by your definition transgender is as real as every other way of defining one's identity. I definitely believe that your identity is make belief. Your gender isn't though. A woman can never know what it is to be a man in a fundamental level nor can a man now what it's like to be a woman. Caitlyn can call herself whatever she wants.i'll happily call her miss or caitlyn but she will always be a man pretending to be a woman So gender and identity are separate? Why can't she define herself by her identity rather than her gender? She can identity as what ever she wants. I've said that from the start..no one will ever convince me though that she is a woman "The issue here is not that she is or is not one thing. It is that your brain is incapable of comprehending it. Let's be honest there, that is such a tiny issue as to not be worth anyone else giving it any thought or consideration. Only you can become mentally agile enough to treat people with respect and at face value. Until then, probably the best advice would be for you to keep quiet and stop your thinly veiled nonsense. | |||
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity... Are you saying that all identity is make believe? If you are then by your definition transgender is as real as every other way of defining one's identity. I definitely believe that your identity is make belief. Your gender isn't though. A woman can never know what it is to be a man in a fundamental level nor can a man now what it's like to be a woman. Caitlyn can call herself whatever she wants.i'll happily call her miss or caitlyn but she will always be a man pretending to be a woman" i agree with your first paragraph a man and woman cant fully understand thats because they are men and women and not transgender. I was born a woman and identify as a woman. I wasnt born with one set of genitals and the mind of the opposite sex | |||
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"Caitlyn Jenner, 67, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, is an American television personality and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. Had to Google that
Who needs to label anyone?
Because we love labels
I'll call her her a bloke in a dress with titties
Whatever your personal feelings are regarding transgender people, why do you have to call her anything?? have some respect for other peoples feelings.
Like I said I'm happy for her to do what ever she wants.
Although I couldn't give a shit about her feelings to be honest."Why refer to him as a her then? | |||
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"First things first, if a person asks you to call them "she" just fucking do it and stop being rude. It is no skin off your nose and doing otherwise makes you look small minded and spiteful. There is a propensity to mistake sex and gender. Sex is what we are born with, it is a physical state and no matter what you think, you are what you are. Gender is entirely made up and assumes that people of different sex must act differently. If we can get rid of the notion that your genitals and chromosomes mean you should act in a particular way then we don't need gender. Gender has been invented to allow people to pigeon hole themselves, often, mistakenly, in the name of freeing themselves from the shackles of societal expectation. Unfortunately the gender concept only serves to further divide, define and pigeon hole people. I (Andy) was born with the male sex organs and by all accounts the corresponding chromosomes. However if i want to be called "she" then call me "she". If I want to wear a dress, then I shall wear a dress. I don't want to wear a dress, but who knows what might change in time. Let us lose the assumption that people of certain sexes need to fulfil certain roles. Then we can get rid of the gender red-herring and we can stop discriminating. Just because someone thinks something about themselves, doesn't mean it is true. Your sex is your sex, no matter what it is and what you want it to be. If you don't like it, change it, but do not invent another medium for discrimination, pigeon holing and bigotry. "
OP: go look up 'gender dysmorphia'. It is a very real thing. And it really is not something to be taken as a joke or as a 'publicity stunt'.
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"I'm not qualified in the field, but I believe it is a medically proven fact that one can have the emotional and mental equipment of gender X and the body of gender Y. If someone was born with a physical abnormality that we can all see, for example webbed toes or a missing finger, no one would claim it was just imaginary. Why is it so difficult to accept that someone could have the physical attributes of one gender but the emotional and mental ones of another? I'm not suggesting that there are none out there that haven't made it up, one story jumps to mind of someone having a sex change to a woman and then expecting the NHS to foot the bill to reverse it because it was inconvenient putting make up on. Though if you believe that story is 100% true, you'd believe anything that the press print." You are mistaking gender for sex. You have the physical attributes of your sex. Gender is in the mind. If you don't think that having balls means that you must have certain emotional attributes, then you don't need gender. If you think that the possession of a pair of balls means that you must act or think in a specific way, then you are open to accusations of sexism. Why should a person with a woman's body act in any set way? Why would he possession of a pair of balls mean you must behave like another person whose only common trait with you is that they have balls too? | |||
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity... Are you saying that all identity is make believe? If you are then by your definition transgender is as real as every other way of defining one's identity. I definitely believe that your identity is make belief. Your gender isn't though. A woman can never know what it is to be a man in a fundamental level nor can a man now what it's like to be a woman. Caitlyn can call herself whatever she wants.i'll happily call her miss or caitlyn but she will always be a man pretending to be a woman What, in your opinion, is the definition of male/female then? Is it about body parts, iE women have boobs and a vagina, men a penis? " Chromosomes. Identity is a totally different thing. it might be seen as how one perceives oneself. Other people are entitled to perceive that differently. However, everyone is entitled to be treated with respect and dignity. If a male wishes to identify as a female he is perfectly entitled to be addressed as such. | |||
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity..." Transgender is very real; and comes in many forms; The most basic and obvious is the completely physical transgender; E.g. Someone who has, for instance, female chromosomes and genes, but a male body, and vice versa. And some who have both sets of " bits".. or none. Then there are those who have mixed male/ female chromosomes, or an extra one. All of the above need treatment and " correction" to make them whichever sex they wish to be/are driven to be. ( some may wish to remain cross gender, and do). Then there are those who , whilst genetically one gender, are disposed , by both hormonal issues, and mental disposition, to be the opposite gender. They have to make a choice as to which gender they wish to be, and can take " corrective action". None if which should be confused with Transvestites, cross dressers, etc, who remain, on the whole, committed to being and remaining the sex that they are; but enjoy, dressing as, and to greater or lesser extent , behaving as, the opposite sex. Of course, there are a ( very) small number of people who think they are Transgender, who really are not, and seriously need condemning to sort themselves out, and decide " if they are real" and " which way to go". And there are a few attention seeking nutcases. It's a massively complex subject. There are so many " shades" of Transgender, that the majority of people can't even begin to know what it is like. And I have every sympathy for those who are in that "middle ground" who are full of conflicts, and have life changing decisions to confront. | |||
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity... Are you saying that all identity is make believe? If you are then by your definition transgender is as real as every other way of defining one's identity. I definitely believe that your identity is make belief. Your gender isn't though. A woman can never know what it is to be a man in a fundamental level nor can a man now what it's like to be a woman. Caitlyn can call herself whatever she wants.i'll happily call her miss or caitlyn but she will always be a man pretending to be a woman So gender and identity are separate? Why can't she define herself by her identity rather than her gender? She can identity as what ever she wants. I've said that from the start..no one will ever convince me though that she is a woman
The issue here is not that she is or is not one thing. It is that your brain is incapable of comprehending it.
Let's be honest there, that is such a tiny issue as to not be worth anyone else giving it any thought or consideration.
Only you can become mentally agile enough to treat people with respect and at face value. Until then, probably the best advice would be for you to keep quiet and stop your thinly veiled nonsense."No one will ever convince me that caitlyn is a woman..never ever, and like I said I'm happy for her to be what ever she wants, and I will discuss what ever I please on a public forum
I love the advice to keep quiet. Lol..just what we need in a healthy society ; being told what I can or can't say because they don't like a difference of a opinion | |||
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"Caitlyn Jenner, 67, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, is an American television personality and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. Had to Google that
Who needs to label anyone?
Because we love labels
I'll call her her a bloke in a dress with titties
Whatever your personal feelings are regarding transgender people, why do you have to call her anything?? have some respect for other peoples feelings.
Like I said I'm happy for her to do what ever she wants.
Although I couldn't give a shit about her feelings to be honest.
Why refer to him as a her then?
"I have referred to caitlyn as he and she she will always be a He in my opinion ..like I've said I'm happy to call her caitlyn if I ever meet her but I will not ever believe she is a woman..do you think she is a woman? | |||
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" OP: go look up 'gender dysmorphia'. It is a very real thing. And it really is not something to be taken as a joke or as a 'publicity stunt'. -Matt" Google Gender Dysphoria | |||
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"OP I find it hard to believe that anyone can be so very dismissive of someone else's feelings and wishes, we live in a progressive society where issues such as those experienced by Caitlin can be addressed. You cannot know what she has gone through in her life and to speak out has taken a huge amount of strength. To express such flagrant disregard of someone's feelings is to my mind shocking and rather callous " Well I don't care about your feelings nor caitlyns I don't know either of you, and as I have said all along she can do what ever she damn well pleases. I'll happily call her caitlyn. I would never physically attack her nor would I ever stop anyone from doing what they want to their bodies but I will never ever be convinced that she is a woman.. | |||
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" OP: go look up 'gender dysmorphia'. It is a very real thing. And it really is not something to be taken as a joke or as a 'publicity stunt'. -Matt Google Gender Dysphoria " Sorry, you are right... dysphoria, not dysmorphia. I have to say, having just looked at the OPs profile, being what many would consider an 'alternative' couple and clearly happy to not fit to what many would say are 'society's norms'... I'm really surprised at the attitude towards another human. -Matt | |||
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"Oh God I need attention.....I know I'll say something controversial!!" I don't need attention...you might though, and it's hardly controversial..I'm not says no she shouldn't do it nor am I calling for her to be killed or have any violence against her..all I've said is I will never believe she is a woman. I wonder How many straight guys would happily fuck Caitlyn Jenner...  | |||
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"Caitlyn Jenner, 67, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, is an American television personality and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. Had to Google that
Who needs to label anyone?
Because we love labels
I'll call her her a bloke in a dress with titties
Whatever your personal feelings are regarding transgender people, why do you have to call her anything?? have some respect for other peoples feelings.
Like I said I'm happy for her to do what ever she wants.
Although I couldn't give a shit about her feelings to be honest."I'm sure she's super hyped that you're "happy for her to do whatever she wants"... | |||
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"Caitlyn Jenner, 67, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, is an American television personality and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. Had to Google that
Who needs to label anyone?
Because we love labels
I'll call her her a bloke in a dress with titties
Whatever your personal feelings are regarding transgender people, why do you have to call her anything?? have some respect for other peoples feelings.
Like I said I'm happy for her to do what ever she wants.
Although I couldn't give a shit about her feelings to be honest.
I'm sure she's super hyped that you're "happy for her to do whatever she wants"... "Is that not enough in a liberal society? | |||
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"OP, as well as getting a basic understanding of what gender is, suggest you look up the rates of suicides in trans people. And the rates at which they are victims of sexual assaults. Both are extremely high. Joking about men in dresses and insisting people are not the gender that they feel they are is completely unhelpful and potentially damaging. Yes, you have the free speech to say what you want. But you can educate yourself and choose the way you want to refer to your fellow human beings." I don't care what people do. Are you not able to read? Let me explain this to you..trans people can do what ever they want to their bodies..they can call themselves what ever pronoun they want. I will not harm anyone who has made this choice, I will happily call you sue if you want me to but I will never believe they are a woman... | |||
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"OP, as well as getting a basic understanding of what gender is, suggest you look up the rates of suicides in trans people. And the rates at which they are victims of sexual assaults. Both are extremely high. Joking about men in dresses and insisting people are not the gender that they feel they are is completely unhelpful and potentially damaging. Yes, you have the free speech to say what you want. But you can educate yourself and choose the way you want to refer to your fellow human beings. I don't care what people do. Are you not able to read? Let me explain this to you..trans people can do what ever they want to their bodies..they can call themselves what ever pronoun they want. I will not harm anyone who has made this choice, I will happily call you sue if you want me to but I will never believe they are a woman... "I can read perfectly well, thanks. Your opinion is your own, but there's no need to share it. What are you hoping to achieve here, other than wind people up? | |||
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"Caitlyn Jenner, 67, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, is an American television personality and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. Had to Google that
Who needs to label anyone?
Because we love labels
I'll call her her a bloke in a dress with titties
Whatever your personal feelings are regarding transgender people, why do you have to call her anything?? have some respect for other peoples feelings.
Like I said I'm happy for her to do what ever she wants.
Although I couldn't give a shit about her feelings to be honest.
I'm sure she's super hyped that you're "happy for her to do whatever she wants"...
Is that not enough in a liberal society?
"My point was, why feel the need to comment at all, especially when a number of the trans community use this forum and will probably see your comments as pretty narrow minded. I'm actually really surprised that as a couple who are obviously quite 'alternative' that you'd be so openly harsh and insensitive on someone's appearance. | |||
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"OP, as well as getting a basic understanding of what gender is, suggest you look up the rates of suicides in trans people. And the rates at which they are victims of sexual assaults. Both are extremely high. Joking about men in dresses and insisting people are not the gender that they feel they are is completely unhelpful and potentially damaging. Yes, you have the free speech to say what you want. But you can educate yourself and choose the way you want to refer to your fellow human beings. I don't care what people do. Are you not able to read? Let me explain this to you..trans people can do what ever they want to their bodies..they can call themselves what ever pronoun they want. I will not harm anyone who has made this choice, I will happily call you sue if you want me to but I will never believe they are a woman... "So we can sum this thread up in the following sentence: Man fails to grasp basic concept; doesn't care. Great, why did this require an entire thread to advertise the fact you cannot deal with basic stuff? | |||
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"OP, as well as getting a basic understanding of what gender is, suggest you look up the rates of suicides in trans people. And the rates at which they are victims of sexual assaults. Both are extremely high. Joking about men in dresses and insisting people are not the gender that they feel they are is completely unhelpful and potentially damaging. Yes, you have the free speech to say what you want. But you can educate yourself and choose the way you want to refer to your fellow human beings. I don't care what people do. Are you not able to read? Let me explain this to you..trans people can do what ever they want to their bodies..they can call themselves what ever pronoun they want. I will not harm anyone who has made this choice, I will happily call you sue if you want me to but I will never believe they are a woman... "OK, so what do you think that any transgender people might feel when they read your original post on here stating: "but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.." What do you think that makes them feel? For someone who might already be dealing with a lot of issues both within themselves and perhaps with society, friends and family... and then they read that? -Matt | |||
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"OP, as well as getting a basic understanding of what gender is, suggest you look up the rates of suicides in trans people. And the rates at which they are victims of sexual assaults. Both are extremely high. Joking about men in dresses and insisting people are not the gender that they feel they are is completely unhelpful and potentially damaging. Yes, you have the free speech to say what you want. But you can educate yourself and choose the way you want to refer to your fellow human beings. I don't care what people do. Are you not able to read? Let me explain this to you..trans people can do what ever they want to their bodies..they can call themselves what ever pronoun they want. I will not harm anyone who has made this choice, I will happily call you sue if you want me to but I will never believe they are a woman...
OK, so what do you think that any transgender people might feel when they read your original post on here stating:
"but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.."
What do you think that makes them feel? For someone who might already be dealing with a lot of issues both within themselves and perhaps with society, friends and family... and then they read that?
-Matt"To be fair, an half sensible person would see it for what it is and give it the regard it deserves. | |||
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"Wow, just wow. I hope I have people like you for my dissertation project, but then maybe I don't. Gender is fluid, you have no right in telling someone what their gender is, only they know that. You say women have no idea what it's like to be a man and men have no idea what it's like to be a women, do you think all those of the same sex are living their life the same? I'm pretty certain people know when they don't feel right in their own body and it normally happens at a younger age, but so many are afraid to speak up about it due to society making them believe they have to be cis gender and worry about the consequences they'll face of they don't conform to the ways which have been set. More education needs to be put out there, so everyone understands it more and those with gender dysphoria are able to speak out." How can you ever know what it is to be a man? Do you have the same hormones as me? Do our chromosomes match? do you have balls and a penis? Do you have the same brains? No ..You ignore biology and environment at your peril.. | |||
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"Wow, just wow. I hope I have people like you for my dissertation project, but then maybe I don't. Gender is fluid, you have no right in telling someone what their gender is, only they know that. You say women have no idea what it's like to be a man and men have no idea what it's like to be a women, do you think all those of the same sex are living their life the same? I'm pretty certain people know when they don't feel right in their own body and it normally happens at a younger age, but so many are afraid to speak up about it due to society making them believe they have to be cis gender and worry about the consequences they'll face of they don't conform to the ways which have been set. More education needs to be put out there, so everyone understands it more and those with gender dysphoria are able to speak out. How can you ever know what it is to be a man? Do you have the same hormones as me? Do our chromosomes match? do you have balls and a penis? Do you have the same brains? No ..You ignore biology and environment at your peril.." Go educate yourself and understand why some individuals believe they are in the wrong body... Maybe then you may understand my statement. | |||
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"OP, as well as getting a basic understanding of what gender is, suggest you look up the rates of suicides in trans people. And the rates at which they are victims of sexual assaults. Both are extremely high. Joking about men in dresses and insisting people are not the gender that they feel they are is completely unhelpful and potentially damaging. Yes, you have the free speech to say what you want. But you can educate yourself and choose the way you want to refer to your fellow human beings. I don't care what people do. Are you not able to read? Let me explain this to you..trans people can do what ever they want to their bodies..they can call themselves what ever pronoun they want. I will not harm anyone who has made this choice, I will happily call you sue if you want me to but I will never believe they are a woman...
OK, so what do you think that any transgender people might feel when they read your original post on here stating:
"but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.."
What do you think that makes them feel? For someone who might already be dealing with a lot of issues both within themselves and perhaps with society, friends and family... and then they read that?
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To be fair, an half sensible person would see it for what it is and give it the regard it deserves. "True. Howeve, as the father of an adult trans son, I can attest that it can be the little comments and small minded-ness over and over that can create the hurt. Slightly un-related, but I caught a bit on the radio in the car the other day about a young lad that committed suicide due to bullying. One of the things that caught my attention was that the mother was saying that a lot of the people who called him names and made his life hell didn't think they were doing anything wrong. "Well, I only called him that once" they said. But the mother pointed out that whilst they might have said it once... that was the tenth time it had been said to her son that day by others. ie. the individual act might be a one-off, but it can be the cumulitive effect that people don't notice. -Matt | |||
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"OP, as well as getting a basic understanding of what gender is, suggest you look up the rates of suicides in trans people. And the rates at which they are victims of sexual assaults. Both are extremely high. Joking about men in dresses and insisting people are not the gender that they feel they are is completely unhelpful and potentially damaging. Yes, you have the free speech to say what you want. But you can educate yourself and choose the way you want to refer to your fellow human beings. I don't care what people do. Are you not able to read? Let me explain this to you..trans people can do what ever they want to their bodies..they can call themselves what ever pronoun they want. I will not harm anyone who has made this choice, I will happily call you sue if you want me to but I will never believe they are a woman...
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What do you think that makes them feel? For someone who might already be dealing with a lot of issues both within themselves and perhaps with society, friends and family... and then they read that?
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"OP, as well as getting a basic understanding of what gender is, suggest you look up the rates of suicides in trans people. And the rates at which they are victims of sexual assaults. Both are extremely high. Joking about men in dresses and insisting people are not the gender that they feel they are is completely unhelpful and potentially damaging. Yes, you have the free speech to say what you want. But you can educate yourself and choose the way you want to refer to your fellow human beings. I don't care what people do. Are you not able to read? Let me explain this to you..trans people can do what ever they want to their bodies..they can call themselves what ever pronoun they want. I will not harm anyone who has made this choice, I will happily call you sue if you want me to but I will never believe they are a woman...
OK, so what do you think that any transgender people might feel when they read your original post on here stating:
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What do you think that makes them feel? For someone who might already be dealing with a lot of issues both within themselves and perhaps with society, friends and family... and then they read that?
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Why do I care what other people feel? Like I said so whatever you want to your body but you will never control my mind. If you get upset by what a complete stranger says then that's an insight into your mind."You clearly don't care what anyone else thinks. That's great. Congratulations. Just don't fuck up other people's existences because you aren't capable of grasping basic concepts. | |||
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"Caitlyn Jenner, 67, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, is an American television personality and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. Had to Google that
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Because we love labels
I'll call her her a bloke in a dress with titties "In that case don't be offended if anyone calls you an offensive pillock. | |||
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"OP, as well as getting a basic understanding of what gender is, suggest you look up the rates of suicides in trans people. And the rates at which they are victims of sexual assaults. Both are extremely high. Joking about men in dresses and insisting people are not the gender that they feel they are is completely unhelpful and potentially damaging. Yes, you have the free speech to say what you want. But you can educate yourself and choose the way you want to refer to your fellow human beings. I don't care what people do. Are you not able to read? Let me explain this to you..trans people can do what ever they want to their bodies..they can call themselves what ever pronoun they want. I will not harm anyone who has made this choice, I will happily call you sue if you want me to but I will never believe they are a woman...
OK, so what do you think that any transgender people might feel when they read your original post on here stating:
"but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.."
What do you think that makes them feel? For someone who might already be dealing with a lot of issues both within themselves and perhaps with society, friends and family... and then they read that?
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To be fair, an half sensible person would see it for what it is and give it the regard it deserves.
Why do I care what other people feel? Like I said so whatever you want to your body but you will never control my mind. If you get upset by what a complete stranger says then that's an insight into your mind."OK, you don't care what other people feel. Fine. You've made that clear. I'm not entirely sure why you are so proud of that fact and advertising it on here. But if that is a strategy you think will work for you, then go ahead. We, personally, would give someone making comments like that a very wide berth, but who knows, maybe others find it an attractive quality. -Matt | |||
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Who needs to label anyone?
Because we love labels
I'll call her her a bloke in a dress with titties
In that case don't be offended if anyone calls you an offensive pillock."I'm not a precious little snowflake
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity... Are you saying that all identity is make believe? If you are then by your definition transgender is as real as every other way of defining one's identity. I definitely believe that your identity is make belief. Your gender isn't though. A woman can never know what it is to be a man in a fundamental level nor can a man now what it's like to be a woman. Caitlyn can call herself whatever she wants.i'll happily call her miss or caitlyn but she will always be a man pretending to be a woman" Mmmm #backlashensues | |||
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"Caitlyn Jenner, 67, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, is an American television personality and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. Had to Google that
Who needs to label anyone?
Because we love labels
I'll call her her a bloke in a dress with titties
Whatever your personal feelings are regarding transgender people, why do you have to call her anything?? have some respect for other peoples feelings.
Like I said I'm happy for her to do what ever she wants.
Although I couldn't give a shit about her feelings to be honest.
Why refer to him as a her then?
I have referred to caitlyn as he and she
she will always be a He in my opinion ..like I've said I'm happy to call her caitlyn if I ever meet her but I will not ever believe she is a woman..do you think she is a woman?"Tbh, The Kardashians/Jenners don't place in my thoughts EVER | |||
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"Hey, OP, Know what this weekend is? Know what is celebrated the 20th November internationally? Trans Day of Remembrance. A day to memorialise those who have been murdered as a result of transphobia and to bring attention to the continued violence endured by the transgender community. Well timed. And want to bring it a bit closer to home? Less than a month ago, a Fab member who was very active in the South West chat room on here committed suicide due to transgender bullying. One of the last things she posted online before she hanged herself was: "I am starting to believe the insults. I am tired and I can’t see a happy ever after." So. Seriously. Grow the fuck up. Take a long hard look at yourself and start to realise that you are a part of the problem. -Matt" | |||
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"Also you can have a penis and still be of the female sex. Physically it is the testicles which defines if you are male or not. A male can have reproductive organs more commonly associated with females. If he also has testicles, he is a male. Gender is made up. We could live happily without it. But since its here, let's respect those who need to label themselves to be validated and just accept them as they come to you." Gender isn't really made up, is it? You're one of the other, a man or a woman, and it's why people who want to swap go through such hard work to get to that other gender. If it was all in the mind there'd be no surgical solutions to gender identity. | |||
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"Well I just thought "she" was a pisstake from South Park! I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants to her body but I will never ever in a million years ever think she is a woman.. So is transgender real or just the make believe that goes on in your head when it comes to identity..." Hope your happy now...have a great day.. | |||
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"Also you can have a penis and still be of the female sex. Physically it is the testicles which defines if you are male or not. A male can have reproductive organs more commonly associated with females. If he also has testicles, he is a male. Gender is made up. We could live happily without it. But since its here, let's respect those who need to label themselves to be validated and just accept them as they come to you. Gender isn't really made up, is it? You're one of the other, a man or a woman, and it's why people who want to swap go through such hard work to get to that other gender. If it was all in the mind there'd be no surgical solutions to gender identity. " Yes, but the mind and body are very much linked. So imagine you (born biologically female) realise that you actually identify more as male. You start to live a male life, and identify by a male name and pronouns... but each day you stare down at these two large lumps on your chest. Those lumps that you need to bind and conceal every day in order to wear the male shirt that you want to wear to fit in with your identity. -Matt | |||
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"I hate the body I have Iv never been male in my head Iv suffered so much because of this it hurts to have a feeling all ur life that ur in the wrong body I agree with gender is a state of mind but when u can't change ur mind no matter how hard u try where does that leave u?? It's things like this that made me keep my "secret " for so long why can't people stop judging and let others be who they want or NEED to be xx" I'm not judging you. You can be what ever you want. I will never stop you. I will even happily call you what ever pronoun you want me to. You can imagine being a boy a girl or even a horse..what goes on in your head is your business but just never expect me to believe your make belief I would never mock you nor would I physically harm you nor would I bar you for living your life. I will even defend your right to do what ever you need to do but I will never believe it..Not sure why people are getting so wound up. | |||
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"I hate the body I have Iv never been male in my head Iv suffered so much because of this it hurts to have a feeling all ur life that ur in the wrong body I agree with gender is a state of mind but when u can't change ur mind no matter how hard u try where does that leave u?? It's things like this that made me keep my "secret " for so long why can't people stop judging and let others be who they want or NEED to be xx I'm not judging you. You can be what ever you want. I will never stop you. I will even happily call you what ever pronoun you want me to. You can imagine being a boy a girl or even a horse..what goes on in your head is your business but just never expect me to believe your make belief I would never mock you nor would I physically harm you nor would I bar you for living your life. I will even defend your right to do what ever you need to do but I will never believe it..Not sure why people are getting so wound up. "Maybe, just maybe, it's not make believe. There's a long procedure a trans person has to go through to be able to even be considered, it's not like they just rock up to their doctors and say hey I'm a woman but have a penis and he says ok let me sort that for you the whole procedure for it all is one of the main reasons that many, whether trans male or trans female, don't end up having the full transition.
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"I hate the body I have Iv never been male in my head Iv suffered so much because of this it hurts to have a feeling all ur life that ur in the wrong body I agree with gender is a state of mind but when u can't change ur mind no matter how hard u try where does that leave u?? It's things like this that made me keep my "secret " for so long why can't people stop judging and let others be who they want or NEED to be xx I'm not judging you. You can be what ever you want. I will never stop you. I will even happily call you what ever pronoun you want me to. You can imagine being a boy a girl or even a horse..what goes on in your head is your business but just never expect me to believe your make belief I would never mock you nor would I physically harm you nor would I bar you for living your life. I will even defend your right to do what ever you need to do but I will never believe it..Not sure why people are getting so wound up. "maybe they are reading the thread you also have on the go | |||
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"I hate the body I have Iv never been male in my head Iv suffered so much because of this it hurts to have a feeling all ur life that ur in the wrong body I agree with gender is a state of mind but when u can't change ur mind no matter how hard u try where does that leave u?? It's things like this that made me keep my "secret " for so long why can't people stop judging and let others be who they want or NEED to be xx I'm not judging you. You can be what ever you want. I will never stop you. I will even happily call you what ever pronoun you want me to. You can imagine being a boy a girl or even a horse..what goes on in your head is your business but just never expect me to believe your make belief I would never mock you nor would I physically harm you nor would I bar you for living your life. I will even defend your right to do what ever you need to do but I will never believe it..Not sure why people are getting so wound up. ""I'm not judging you.... just never expect me to believe your make belief... I would never mock you " Do you even read what you type? -Matt | |||
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"I hate the body I have Iv never been male in my head Iv suffered so much because of this it hurts to have a feeling all ur life that ur in the wrong body I agree with gender is a state of mind but when u can't change ur mind no matter how hard u try where does that leave u?? It's things like this that made me keep my "secret " for so long why can't people stop judging and let others be who they want or NEED to be xx I'm not judging you. You can be what ever you want. I will never stop you. I will even happily call you what ever pronoun you want me to. You can imagine being a boy a girl or even a horse..what goes on in your head is your business but just never expect me to believe your make belief I would never mock you nor would I physically harm you nor would I bar you for living your life. I will even defend your right to do what ever you need to do but I will never believe it..Not sure why people are getting so wound up.
Maybe, just maybe, it's not make believe. There's a long procedure a trans person has to go through to be able to even be considered, it's not like they just rock up to their doctors and say hey I'm a woman but have a penis and he says ok let me sort that for you the whole procedure for it all is one of the main reasons that many, whether trans male or trans female, don't end up having the full transition.
Yes maybe it is a mind thing, but then surely it's a mind thing that you're cis gender, but that's not seen as make believe, you were just one of the lucky ones to be born in the body you identify with."If it's a mind thing which it is then it is make belief but the mind is powerful, and if they want to go ahead and have surgery ,and such like then I am more than happy for them to do it..shit I'm happy for the NHS to pay for it. But if you were born a man then you can only guess and imagine what it is to be a woman....and vice Versa | |||
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"I hate the body I have Iv never been male in my head Iv suffered so much because of this it hurts to have a feeling all ur life that ur in the wrong body I agree with gender is a state of mind but when u can't change ur mind no matter how hard u try where does that leave u?? It's things like this that made me keep my "secret " for so long why can't people stop judging and let others be who they want or NEED to be xx I'm not judging you. You can be what ever you want. I will never stop you. I will even happily call you what ever pronoun you want me to. You can imagine being a boy a girl or even a horse..what goes on in your head is your business but just never expect me to believe your make belief I would never mock you nor would I physically harm you nor would I bar you for living your life. I will even defend your right to do what ever you need to do but I will never believe it..Not sure why people are getting so wound up.
Maybe, just maybe, it's not make believe. There's a long procedure a trans person has to go through to be able to even be considered, it's not like they just rock up to their doctors and say hey I'm a woman but have a penis and he says ok let me sort that for you the whole procedure for it all is one of the main reasons that many, whether trans male or trans female, don't end up having the full transition.
Yes maybe it is a mind thing, but then surely it's a mind thing that you're cis gender, but that's not seen as make believe, you were just one of the lucky ones to be born in the body you identify with.
If it's a mind thing which it is then it is make belief but the mind is powerful, and if they want to go ahead and have surgery ,and such like then I am more than happy for them to do it..shit I'm happy for the NHS to pay for it. But if you were born a man then you can only guess and imagine what it is to be a woman....and vice Versa "You do realise that many recognise that something isn't right preadolescent? So they have no real understanding of what it's like to be a man or a woman, so how does that justify your argument that they'll never understand? They clearly understand that something isn't right, that they identify with the opposite gender more, so maybe your argument is flawed and they do actually know what it's like to be a woman, because that is what they actually are, inside. | |||
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"I'll happily take a turn on the naught step for this Your a real transphobic peice of shit OP Lol..I won't report you
Not that I care what you think of me.. seeing as transgender is imaginary then I'd argue you can't be transphobic "Clearly you are now just trolling, and you are aware that both the Police and CPS specifically have policies for dealing with them. Just search for "Policy for Prosecuting Cases of Homophobic and Transphobic Hate Crime" and you've find the CPS policy on it. -Matt | |||
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"I hate the body I have Iv never been male in my head Iv suffered so much because of this it hurts to have a feeling all ur life that ur in the wrong body I agree with gender is a state of mind but when u can't change ur mind no matter how hard u try where does that leave u?? It's things like this that made me keep my "secret " for so long why can't people stop judging and let others be who they want or NEED to be xx I'm not judging you. You can be what ever you want. I will never stop you. I will even happily call you what ever pronoun you want me to. You can imagine being a boy a girl or even a horse..what goes on in your head is your business but just never expect me to believe your make belief I would never mock you nor would I physically harm you nor would I bar you for living your life. I will even defend your right to do what ever you need to do but I will never believe it..Not sure why people are getting so wound up.
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"I'll happily take a turn on the naught step for this Your a real transphobic peice of shit OP Lol..I won't report you
Not that I care what you think of me.. seeing as transgender is imaginary then I'd argue you can't be transphobic
Clearly you are now just trolling, and you are aware that both the Police and CPS specifically have policies for dealing with them. Just search for "Policy for Prosecuting Cases of
Homophobic and Transphobic Hate Crime" and you've find the CPS policy on it.
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"I'll happily take a turn on the naught step for this Your a real transphobic peice of shit OP Lol..I won't report you
Not that I care what you think of me.. seeing as transgender is imaginary then I'd argue you can't be transphobic
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Hahahaha....the thought police is it Matt? I'm trolling now because the snowflakes are easily wound up..
Report me to the CPS and lets see them make a case against me..the crime of having an opinion different from yours!!!lol lol lol lol quick dial 999"No, it is not the thought police. If you kept your vile thoughts in your head then it would not be an issue. The issue is when you start expressing them to others. And you clearly missed my point. You claimed that 'transgender' is imaginary and you can't be transphobic as a result. I was merely pointing out that both the Police and CPS disagree with that sentiment and transphobia is not only a real thing, but that they have a specific policy to deal with hate crimes related to it. -Matt | |||
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"https://youtu.be/LnZppZ6CBSg Lead singer of rock band laura jane grace talking about transgender dysphoria" Rock band against me* | |||
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"In that case gender is make believe, not just transgender. No pretending to be a woman when your a man is make belief..being born a male makes you a man. Gender fluidity is ideology not science I.e an opinion. If you want to think you are a woman then crack on. I will never stop you. I will never be that interested in your internal struggle for identity. You will never pass legislation that will make people belief in flights of fancy and make belief. You can never control my mind with your ideology and identity politics "Being born with a penis makes you have the sex of a man, knowing you're really a woman makes your gender a female. What about those that have to go through scientific procedures to be the opposite gender? That's science. And then on ALL documents they are identified as M or F, so it's legal then. | |||
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"Caitlyn Jenner, 67, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, is an American television personality and retired Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete. Had to Google that
Who needs to label anyone?
Because we love labels
I'll call her her a bloke in a dress with titties
Whatever your personal feelings are regarding transgender people, why do you have to call her anything?? have some respect for other peoples feelings.
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"I'll happily take a turn on the naught step for this Your a real transphobic peice of shit OP Lol..I won't report you
Not that I care what you think of me.. seeing as transgender is imaginary then I'd argue you can't be transphobic
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Hahahaha....the thought police is it Matt? I'm trolling now because the snowflakes are easily wound up..
Report me to the CPS and lets see them make a case against me..the crime of having an opinion different from yours!!!lol lol lol lol quick dial 999
No, it is not the thought police. If you kept your vile thoughts in your head then it would not be an issue. The issue is when you start expressing them to others. And you clearly missed my point. You claimed that 'transgender' is imaginary and you can't be transphobic as a result. I was merely pointing out that both the Police and CPS disagree with that sentiment and transphobia is not only a real thing, but that they have a specific policy to deal with hate crimes related to it.
-Matt"So again if my opinions on a public forum are that vile and they upset you that much(lol) then report me and see what happens....I dare you to see how far they go with the prosecution...I don't believe that a man can be a woman just because he thinks it so let's see if my opinion gets me banged up.. | |||
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"In that case gender is make believe, not just transgender. No pretending to be a woman when your a man is make belief..being born a male makes you a man. Gender fluidity is ideology not science I.e an opinion. If you want to think you are a woman then crack on. I will never stop you. I will never be that interested in your internal struggle for identity. You will never pass legislation that will make people belief in flights of fancy and make belief. You can never control my mind with your ideology and identity politics
Being born with a penis makes you have the sex of a man, knowing you're really a woman makes your gender a female.
What about those that have to go through scientific procedures to be the opposite gender? That's science. And then on ALL documents they are identified as M or F, so it's legal then."No. thinking you are a woman is subjective..it's as far from science as you can get. | |||
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"So if what goes on in folks heads is make believe where does that leave those with mental illness/depression??? That they are fucked because thy can't control their brains "Can't argue with that flawless logic! Kudos on the level of self control displayed on your threads | |||
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"I'll happily take a turn on the naught step for this Your a real transphobic peice of shit OP Lol..I won't report you
Not that I care what you think of me.. seeing as transgender is imaginary then I'd argue you can't be transphobic
Clearly you are now just trolling, and you are aware that both the Police and CPS specifically have policies for dealing with them. Just search for "Policy for Prosecuting Cases of
Homophobic and Transphobic Hate Crime" and you've find the CPS policy on it.
-Matt
Hahahaha....the thought police is it Matt? I'm trolling now because the snowflakes are easily wound up..
Report me to the CPS and lets see them make a case against me..the crime of having an opinion different from yours!!!lol lol lol lol quick dial 999
No, it is not the thought police. If you kept your vile thoughts in your head then it would not be an issue. The issue is when you start expressing them to others. And you clearly missed my point. You claimed that 'transgender' is imaginary and you can't be transphobic as a result. I was merely pointing out that both the Police and CPS disagree with that sentiment and transphobia is not only a real thing, but that they have a specific policy to deal with hate crimes related to it.
-Matt
So again if my opinions on a public forum are that vile and they upset you that much(lol) then report me and see what happens....I dare you to see how far they go with the prosecution...I don't believe that a man can be a woman just because he thinks it so let's see if my opinion gets me banged up.."Don't think it's about you being "banged up" it's just you are coming across in a not so positive light over a subject that has A) no bearing on your life B) no bearing on your partners life C) not effected you in any way to cause you to research the subject D) clearly brought out a not so attractive part of your personality But hey ho | |||
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