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By *obka3 OP Couple
over a year ago
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Should the nhs have to spend its cash on providing this drug so people can have unprotected sex without the worry of catching HIV ?
Where does the principle of being careful come in to it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Think of it along similar lines to the free give up smoking paraphernalia that the NHS doles out. Cheaper than treating the cancers and other illnesses that smoking causes. |
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"Should the nhs have to spend its cash on providing this drug so people can have unprotected sex without the worry of catching HIV ?
Where does the principle of being careful come in to it"
That isn't exactly the ruling though, we're a long way from it being available on the NHS.
What are your views on sports injuries, STI's, obesity-related conditions, alcohol, people who don't look both ways before crossing the road, etc.
Without all that stuff, I bet the NHS could cope fine...
Mr ddc |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Should the nhs have to spend its cash on providing this drug so people can have unprotected sex without the worry of catching HIV ?
Where does the principle of being careful come in to it"
Yes. Same as they spend cash on the contraceptive pill.
Why should a married coupl, for instance, have to use condoms with each other? |
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By *c-ukMan
over a year ago
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"Should the nhs have to spend its cash on providing this drug so people can have unprotected sex without the worry of catching HIV ?
Where does the principle of being careful come in to it
Yes. Same as they spend cash on the contraceptive pill.
Why should a married coupl, for instance, have to use condoms with each other? "
He may be a lucky cuck and his wife is shagging other guys when she wants too  state funded cucking sounds like a good policy  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Should the nhs have to spend its cash on providing this drug so people can have unprotected sex without the worry of catching HIV ?
Where does the principle of being careful come in to it"
There's jobs that can put you in harms way as well, not just being fast and loose.
I was a crime and trauma scene cleaner or biohazardous waste engineer or whatever the fuck they called us. I had to suit up and clean houses used by junkies or pick up needles that had been found in public or clean up after road traffic accidents, murders, suivides, death on train tracks or from height. There's 100's of other jobs that can put you at risk as well. If I had been offered to take that whilst doing the job I did I would have. Seen a few colleagues go through some scary times when they accidentally pricked themselves or were told that the blood we had cleaned up from a stabbing was the blood of someone known to have HIV. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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How would you feel if you needed the treatment OP?
This is how they apply ethics when it comes to medical treatment. That if the technology is there it cannot only apply to the chosen few (ie. people with money). Capitalism somewhat tries to fuck this up though. |
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"Should the nhs have to spend its cash on providing this drug so people can have unprotected sex without the worry of catching HIV ?
Where does the principle of being careful come in to it"
There are a lot more STDS than HIV out there, so I'll still continue to be as safe as possible |
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"How would you feel if you needed the treatment OP?
This is how they apply ethics when it comes to medical treatment. That if the technology is there it cannot only apply to the chosen few (ie. people with money). Capitalism somewhat tries to fuck this up though."
Sorry, how are medical ethics applied!?
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By (user no longer on site)
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Instead seeing it as "so people can have unprotected sex without catching hiv" I see it as a measure that can not only decrease but possibly eliminate a deadly virus out of our ecosystem. |
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By *obka3 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"How would you feel if you needed the treatment OP?
This is how they apply ethics when it comes to medical treatment. That if the technology is there it cannot only apply to the chosen few (ie. people with money). Capitalism somewhat tries to fuck this up though."
If I was concerned that we were at risk I would expect to take my own precautions,I wasnt trying to make a statement was asking for others opinions, all drugs have side effects so would rather not take any |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How would you feel if you needed the treatment OP?
This is how they apply ethics when it comes to medical treatment. That if the technology is there it cannot only apply to the chosen few (ie. people with money). Capitalism somewhat tries to fuck this up though.
Sorry, how are medical ethics applied!?
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not medical ethics necessarily, but i think what i read was to do with that.
but basically if the technology exists and we are using it then it should apply to everyone and not just some. it was on some study site when i was reading about john howell. i just came across it out of interest. |
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"How would you feel if you needed the treatment OP?
This is how they apply ethics when it comes to medical treatment. That if the technology is there it cannot only apply to the chosen few (ie. people with money). Capitalism somewhat tries to fuck this up though.
That's great in principle but doesn't really work with the NHS.
Sorry, how are medical ethics applied!?
not medical ethics necessarily, but i think what i read was to do with that.
but basically if the technology exists and we are using it then it should apply to everyone and not just some. it was on some study site when i was reading about john howell. i just came across it out of interest."
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By (user no longer on site)
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actually i think it was howe, can't remember his first name, and the site was stanford university. but i can't find either of these on google, it was a good philosophy site though if anyone finds it. |
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"How would you feel if you needed the treatment OP?
This is how they apply ethics when it comes to medical treatment. That if the technology is there it cannot only apply to the chosen few (ie. people with money). Capitalism somewhat tries to fuck this up though.
That's great in principle but doesn't really work with the NHS.
Sorry, how are medical ethics applied!?
not medical ethics necessarily, but i think what i read was to do with that.
but basically if the technology exists and we are using it then it should apply to everyone and not just some. it was on some study site when i was reading about john howell. i just came across it out of interest."
the NHS is exactly this.
free to everyone who is a citizen of the uk. but with recent changes i do wonder if the ethics have been changed also?
some drugs you have to pay for, but only if they haven't been proven to work efficiently, and so the medical industry deems them to be inefficient and won't pay for them. |
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"How would you feel if you needed the treatment OP?
This is how they apply ethics when it comes to medical treatment. That if the technology is there it cannot only apply to the chosen few (ie. people with money). Capitalism somewhat tries to fuck this up though.
That's great in principle but doesn't really work with the NHS.
Sorry, how are medical ethics applied!?
not medical ethics necessarily, but i think what i read was to do with that.
but basically if the technology exists and we are using it then it should apply to everyone and not just some. it was on some study site when i was reading about john howell. i just came across it out of interest.
the NHS is exactly this.
free to everyone who is a citizen of the uk. but with recent changes i do wonder if the ethics have been changed also?
some drugs you have to pay for, but only if they haven't been proven to work efficiently, and so the medical industry deems them to be inefficient and won't pay for them. "
The NHS really isn't that and nor should it be. There is no way they can afford every possible treatment.
Cost analysis has to be done. |
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It is financially a very strong case to invest in prep treatment. It's also a very humane thing to do.
Prep treatment currently is largely focused on one medication but others are in development.
Treating hiv infection for life, for each person infected is incredibly expensive. Using prep treatment to prevent those saves £millions - so it's intelligent financial management, if nothing else.
Evidence from San Francisco has shown that new infections can be virtually non-existent, when prep treatment is provided.
A lot of residence is due to it being connected to sex and also gay people - bigotry and ignorance.
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