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Do you believe in any of it?
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over a year ago
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Yes fate I do. Probably because it makes me feel better when things are shite.
God - no.
Angels - strangely I like to think there's a couple of guardian angels.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm open minded
When it comes to God I don't buy the traditional view. If He/She/It exists and can create anything and knows everything I don't see why me getting on my knees and saying thanks would mean a thing to something so infinitely powerful. Surely they wouldn't have an ego?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No i dont believe in fate either. You chose your path in life not knowing the outcome and I dont believe there are higher forces/beings controlling our destiny. You make your bed, you lie in it.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm open minded
When it comes to God I don't buy the traditional view. If He/She/It exists and can create anything and knows everything I don't see why me getting on my knees and saying thanks would mean a thing to something so infinitely powerful. Surely they wouldn't have an ego?
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when it comes to God.. im a selfish believer.
in times of need or desperation i ask for help.
i dont attend church. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm open minded
When it comes to God I don't buy the traditional view. If He/She/It exists and can create anything and knows everything I don't see why me getting on my knees and saying thanks would mean a thing to something so infinitely powerful. Surely they wouldn't have an ego?
when it comes to God.. im a selfish believer.
in times of need or desperation i ask for help.
i dont attend church."
Has God answered? I'd prefer to ask someone I think might be able to help
But if people want something to believe in and it helps them then I say crack on |
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I like to think that things happen for a reason - I'm not always sure what that reason is!
As for God - that is a whole different matter and find it hard to believe that something we're told is good and loving allows people to suffer! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm open minded
When it comes to God I don't buy the traditional view. If He/She/It exists and can create anything and knows everything I don't see why me getting on my knees and saying thanks would mean a thing to something so infinitely powerful. Surely they wouldn't have an ego?
when it comes to God.. im a selfish believer.
in times of need or desperation i ask for help.
i dont attend church.
Has God answered? I'd prefer to ask someone I think might be able to help
But if people want something to believe in and it helps them then I say crack on"
no never answered.
again its just times of pure desperation when ive needed a miracle.. just clutching on to every last bit of hope.
a friends child was horiificaly burnt and broke my heart.. i just 'prayed' she would pull through..
she did. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sometimes things happen that are out of our control.
How that is choosing our own path/fate? "
Youre correct. But i still wouldnt call it fate if something bad or good happened to you that was beyond our control. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sometimes things happen that are out of our control.
How that is choosing our own path/fate? "
they do, but they are generally in the control of someone or something else...the conditions we inhabit...we make choices but then what we choose is influenced by the equally individual choices of everyone else around us |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sometimes things happen that are out of our control.
How that is choosing our own path/fate? "
Because someone else has influenced it....someone real, of this world.
I just don't understand the need to look for a 'god" or any kind of other world influences. It's just an excuse to blame something that does not exist and has no place in our world. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm open minded
When it comes to God I don't buy the traditional view. If He/She/It exists and can create anything and knows everything I don't see why me getting on my knees and saying thanks would mean a thing to something so infinitely powerful. Surely they wouldn't have an ego?
when it comes to God.. im a selfish believer.
in times of need or desperation i ask for help.
i dont attend church.
Has God answered? I'd prefer to ask someone I think might be able to help
But if people want something to believe in and it helps them then I say crack on
no never answered.
again its just times of pure desperation when ive needed a miracle.. just clutching on to every last bit of hope.
a friends child was horiificaly burnt and broke my heart.. i just 'prayed' she would pull through..
she did. "
nothing to do with the skills of the medical team who were caring for her then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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A lot is luck and feeling positive about life ... But in my heart I live in hope there is something out there .. As when I read and see what is going on in the world. I hope and pray there is something to help others in pain and need. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm open minded
When it comes to God I don't buy the traditional view. If He/She/It exists and can create anything and knows everything I don't see why me getting on my knees and saying thanks would mean a thing to something so infinitely powerful. Surely they wouldn't have an ego?
when it comes to God.. im a selfish believer.
in times of need or desperation i ask for help.
i dont attend church.
Has God answered? I'd prefer to ask someone I think might be able to help
But if people want something to believe in and it helps them then I say crack on
no never answered.
again its just times of pure desperation when ive needed a miracle.. just clutching on to every last bit of hope.
a friends child was horiificaly burnt and broke my heart.. i just 'prayed' she would pull through..
she did.
nothing to do with the skills of the medical team who were caring for her then?"
absolutely it did..
its just my opinion that at times of need i want to selfishly believe some other influence can lend a helping hand.
my thoughts hurt no one. they comfort my hurt at the time |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sometimes things happen that are out of our control.
How that is choosing our own path/fate?
Because someone else has influenced it....someone real, of this world.
I just don't understand the need to look for a 'god" or any kind of other world influences. It's just an excuse to blame something that does not exist and has no place in our world."
When you think death could be imminent you'll be surprised how many turn to a god or a higher being. Even big burly service men. If it comforts them , does it really matter? |
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Our actions control our destiny..
If you step into a busy road without looking and get killed, that isn't destiny or fate, that's stupidity..
Darwins theory of evolution holds true.
As for god.. Well, if you find comfort in your beliefs then that can only be a good thing..
But the whole messiah subject just brought this to mind..
https://youtu.be/Zjz16xjeBAA
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Absolutely it did..
its just my opinion that at times of need i want to selfishly believe some other influence can lend a helping hand.
my thoughts hurt no one. they comfort my hurt at the time"
And that is why I don't have a problem if people want to believe - if it helps then go for it |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Sometimes things happen that are out of our control.
How that is choosing our own path/fate?
Because someone else has influenced it....someone real, of this world.
I just don't understand the need to look for a 'god" or any kind of other world influences. It's just an excuse to blame something that does not exist and has no place in our world."
Someone else, someone real? You mean another human being who iv never met before? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"some people are more lucky than others, a lot of people just make the wrong choices so its no good playing the victim.
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I get this but, if it's the wrong choice how do you get given what you have wished for and then get it taken away? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fate I do believe in, and that things are meant to happen for a reason. God/religion,absolutely not. If there were no religions I think the world would be a far far better place.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No. I believe we live in a world of random chaos. It's up to us to navigate through it. "
Exactly this
Life is random and chaotic!
Choosing to believe in a higher power is comforting to some but I think it's a way of avoiding responsibility! |
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"some people are more lucky than others, a lot of people just make the wrong choices so its no good playing the victim.
I get this but, if it's the wrong choice how do you get given what you have wished for and then get it taken away?"
Sorry i dont understand that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Fate
Destiny
What's meant to be will be
Angels
God
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^^ Nope. It doesn't make it untrue I just don't believe it.
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Things happen for reason"
^^ this one. Absolutely. Everything thing in my life that has happened or hasn't happened has been for a reason. |
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No, cause if there was such thing as destiny there will be no point on trying to defeat your destiny if things go wrong in your life as it will be destiny that decides for you, no matter what you do. So aload of bollocks  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I saw an interesting comment this morning. Along the lines of- people often say they want to go back in time to change something that happened, so why don't they believe they can change what happens in the future. |
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By *w214Couple
over a year ago
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"I'm open minded
When it comes to God I don't buy the traditional view. If He/She/It exists and can create anything and knows everything I don't see why me getting on my knees and saying thanks would mean a thing to something so infinitely powerful. Surely they wouldn't have an ego?
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This, if any of what we're told to believe was even actually close to being fact then it's been bent and perverted over time to suit the agendas of the powerful and elite. Who was it that said "There will only ever be peace when the last politician has been strangled with the intestines of the last priest"? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Fate
Destiny
What's meant to be will be
Angels
God
Things happen for reason"
If there is a 'traditional' God, why would he or she need Angels? An all powerful all knowing omnipresent deity wouldn't need help.
If there is fate or destiny then how could a God intervene? If intervention is possible then fate or destiny is impossible.
I believe that a traditional God can't co exist with fate and destiny.
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By (user no longer on site)
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This, if any of what we're told to believe was even actually close to being fact then it's been bent and perverted over time to suit the agendas of the powerful and elite. Who was it that said "There will only ever be peace when the last politician has been strangled with the intestines of the last priest"?"
Whoever said it had not fully thought it through and was in my opinion being naive as to the current nature of humankind. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I saw an interesting comment this morning. Along the lines of- people often say they want to go back in time to change something that happened, so why don't they believe they can change what happens in the future. "
That's a really interesting take on things...I like it... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I believe things happen for a reason. As Einstein said, 'Every action has an equal and opposite reaction'.
Don't believe in god, spirits, psychics or horoscopes though. |
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"I believe things happen for a reason. As Einstein said, 'Every action has an equal and opposite reaction'.
Don't believe in god, spirits, psychics or horoscopes though. "
It was Isaac Newton, actually .... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I believe things happen for a reason. As Einstein said, 'Every action has an equal and opposite reaction'.
Don't believe in god, spirits, psychics or horoscopes though.
It was Isaac Newton, actually ...."
Oh balls it was wasn't it. I have a sleight hangover mind, so it could have been worse  |
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To quote Richard Dawkins, "Bad things, like good things don't happen any more often than they ought to by chance. The universe has no mind, no feelings, and no personality, so it doesn't do things in order to either hurt or please you. Bad things happen because things happen."
As much as we like to believe we're steering our own course through life, we all know that at any minute of the day the bubble can burst. Sometimes there is just no rhyme or reason to any of it and we have little or no control over events. So no, I don't believe things happen for a reason. It's just a case of things happen. Sadly, that can include incredibly cruel, life changing events. How we come through these moments is what ultimately defines us. Even in the deepest pits of despair though there is hope and a reason to believe that tomorrow will be a better day. |
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It's like wading backwards through the treacle marsh of randomness.
It's all random events HOWEVER within that paradigm, sometimes a series of coincidences or synchronicitic happenings can make you wonder....and a sense of wonder is important these days. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's like wading backwards through the treacle marsh of randomness.
It's all random events HOWEVER within that paradigm, sometimes a series of coincidences or synchronicitic happenings can make you wonder....and a sense of wonder is important these days. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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No: I'm of the opinion 'god' 'fate' etc are all psychological devices to help us cope with the crap that goes on in the world and, variably, in our own lives. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Grasp it with both hands and don't let go!.
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At least that's what I told her last night.
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Ahh the universe is cruel when she replied how small do you think my hands are! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fate
Destiny
What's meant to be will be
Angels
God
Things happen for reason"
No, I believe 'man' make their own destiny though their mythological stories. |
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For those who shout "facts! Science! Proof!" you might benefit from remembering that science as we know it wasn't really invented until the 17th century. Prior to that it was alchemy and herbalism. |
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"To quote Richard Dawkins, "Bad things, like good things don't happen any more often than they ought to by chance. The universe has no mind, no feelings, and no personality, so it doesn't do things in order to either hurt or please you. Bad things happen because things happen."
As much as we like to believe we're steering our own course through life, we all know that at any minute of the day the bubble can burst. Sometimes there is just no rhyme or reason to any of it and we have little or no control over events. So no, I don't believe things happen for a reason. It's just a case of things happen. Sadly, that can include incredibly cruel, life changing events. How we come through these moments is what ultimately defines us. Even in the deepest pits of despair though there is hope and a reason to believe that tomorrow will be a better day."
I dont believe in any of it not karma destiny fate or luck nor that things happen for a reason if so then that reason be the answer to the questions many have of WHY when often there simply is no explanation no cause no reason some things just happen thats out of our control.
life is precious
(Jo)
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"For those who shout "facts! Science! Proof!" you might benefit from remembering that science as we know it wasn't really invented until the 17th century. Prior to that it was alchemy and herbalism. "
But then if you go back even further religion and god/gods didnt feature in caveman life... |
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Everyone is entitled to believe what they want, and we have no problems with anyone's beliefs, but we dont think that any of it is real, its almost like karma, which we also dontbelieve in, as bad shit happen to good people, and nothing can stop it |
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I grew up around religion. I have many religious mates (Christians and Muslims). It's all bogus. But I don't criticise as long as it does not harm. If your believe is harmless then believe what ever gets you through the day/difficult patch. I know people whose faith has helped loads in bad times.
But personally it's all a load of Bullshit. I worked that out the moment I really started to study the bible. I can't see how anyone who has truly read the bible can still believe. It's so backwards and contradictory. Plus the God in the Bible is a horible head case, so I hope it's not true. I put my faith in science and reason. I am happy to accept we can explain everything. I would rather say these things are unexplained that lable them as evidence of the supernatural or intelligent design. |
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"For those who shout "facts! Science! Proof!" you might benefit from remembering that science as we know it wasn't really invented until the 17th century. Prior to that it was alchemy and herbalism. "
Utter nonsense;
There has been scientific research for millennia:
Eg;
The Chinese were inventing magnetic compasses in 300BC ( if not earlier) gunpowder, doing astronomy and had worked out the solar system several centuries BC; and developed rockets, for instance. Archimedes was developing engineering principles ( his displacement theories, , structural engineering etc ) in 200BC, he had effectively worked out Newtons laws already, and developed a form on Newtons laws ( but demonstrated them in a different way).
Whoever discovered fire, and the wheel, to name but two, did it by research and experimentation.
You can't dismiss alchemy; it was a valid avenue of research; it wasn't just " trying to make gold" it was a scientific exploration of matter.
Herbalism was simply medical scientific research, using what was available : perfectly valid in those days; and indeed, the modern pharmaceuticals owe much to early " herbalism"
What's the philosophical difference between a herbal medicine, and any opiate medicine ( which is simply obtained from opium poppies)? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yes, I believe in all of it...but you have to pursue your destiny, you can't just sit indoors and say "oh, if it's meant to be, s/he will contact me/the money will come automatically/etc" |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"To quote Richard Dawkins, "Bad things, like good things don't happen any more often than they ought to by chance. The universe has no mind, no feelings, and no personality, so it doesn't do things in order to either hurt or please you. Bad things happen because things happen."
As much as we like to believe we're steering our own course through life, we all know that at any minute of the day the bubble can burst. Sometimes there is just no rhyme or reason to any of it and we have little or no control over events. So no, I don't believe things happen for a reason. It's just a case of things happen. Sadly, that can include incredibly cruel, life changing events. How we come through these moments is what ultimately defines us. Even in the deepest pits of despair though there is hope and a reason to believe that tomorrow will be a better day.
I dont believe in any of it not karma destiny fate or luck nor that things happen for a reason if so then that reason be the answer to the questions many have of WHY when often there simply is no explanation no cause no reason some things just happen thats out of our control.
life is precious
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By (user no longer on site)
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Although I don't belive in kama perse there is obviously a real aspect to it.
If one person has a door held open for them and it makes them feel happy that somebody went out of their way to do it.... Then they're likely to repeat this bit of behaviour that they enjoyed to somebody else, eventually that chain follows through to an awful lot of people holding doors open for each other.
Unfortunately it works just as well in reverse and can lead to everybody being horrible to each other.
We're all creatures of learned behaviour |
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"A lot is luck and feeling positive about life ... But in my heart I live in hope there is something out there .. As when I read and see what is going on in the world. I hope and pray there is something to help others in pain and need."
I think we're fated to meet...does that answer the question? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There is so much we don't know that none of us can state whether or not these things exist or not.
We don't know if the universe is deterministic in nature. IE at the point of the Big Bang, was the universe set in motion and everything that happens is a consequence of that. Therefore the future is effectively set in stone. If that is so do we have free will.
Somethings we just are unable to do. We know the building blocks for life, yet we can't create it from the raw materials. We can not create life from inanimate objects.
What actually is life? And if we are just a bunch of electric impulses and chemicals, does it matter if we murder people? Its no different to smashing a rock.
Is there a God? Nobody has the monopoly on knowledge in this respect. |
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