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"Nope, it's that difficult to get an appointment with my GP that I'd rather just wait out whatever ailment I wanted help for in the first place. " I think you've missed the point here. | |||
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"Nope, it's that difficult to get an appointment with my GP that I'd rather just wait out whatever ailment I wanted help for in the first place. I think you've missed the point here." No, I was answering the question you posed in the thread title. I'm not a pill popping lemming. | |||
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"Yes I am but my lifestyle doesn't contribute to my health conditions. I lead a healthy lifestyle but they are chronic, managed by medication. " Change your diet and see how it goes then. Yes I do realise how silly that sounds but it only sounds silly to a brain that's been conditioned from the cradle to think that when in need the GP is the first step to recovery. | |||
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"Yes I am but my lifestyle doesn't contribute to my health conditions. I lead a healthy lifestyle but they are chronic, managed by medication. Change your diet and see how it goes then. Yes I do realise how silly that sounds but it only sounds silly to a brain that's been conditioned from the cradle to think that when in need the GP is the first step to recovery." You don't know anything about my health conditions or my diet. So don't be random or disrespectful | |||
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"Interesting. How did you manage to escape the matrix and free yourself ?" My words won't be enough, but I can reccomend you just one book of many that I've read about the issue - Mind over Medicine by Lissa Rankin. Also here's her TED speech so you can have a glimpse of what's what: https://youtu.be/7tu9nJmr4Xs | |||
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"Yes I am but my lifestyle doesn't contribute to my health conditions. I lead a healthy lifestyle but they are chronic, managed by medication. Change your diet and see how it goes then. Yes I do realise how silly that sounds but it only sounds silly to a brain that's been conditioned from the cradle to think that when in need the GP is the first step to recovery. You don't know anything about my health conditions or my diet. So don't be random or disrespectful" Exactly - on defense right from the start. How typical | |||
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"Interesting. How did you manage to escape the matrix and free yourself ?" He took the aromatherapy option... "Sniff the blue bottle and your life carries on as before....sniff the red bottle and you will be able to give out dubious medical advice to people with long term medical issues that can only be managed with medication" | |||
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"Interesting. How did you manage to escape the matrix and free yourself ? My words won't be enough, but I can reccomend you just one book of many that I've read about the issue - Mind over Medicine by Lissa Rankin. Also here's her TED speech so you can have a glimpse of what's what: https://youtu.be/7tu9nJmr4Xs" Do you think that you are the only one who knows this? Do you know anything about my lifestyle, health conditions, what alternative therapies I use, etc? Why assume you are the only one who has thought about this? Maybe some of us who have chronic illnesses have too. Why would you assume you have gone through the thought process and no one else has? Don't be taken in by all that propaganda, weigh both sides and one thing I don't do, it try to dictate to people without knowing their circumstances or what they have done and are doing. | |||
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"I rarely pay attention to media hype, except it's funny when people soak it all up. I make judicious use of my health service options, taking care of my health overall."  | |||
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"Yes I am but my lifestyle doesn't contribute to my health conditions. I lead a healthy lifestyle but they are chronic, managed by medication. Change your diet and see how it goes then. Yes I do realise how silly that sounds but it only sounds silly to a brain that's been conditioned from the cradle to think that when in need the GP is the first step to recovery. You don't know anything about my health conditions or my diet. So don't be random or disrespectful Exactly - on defense right from the start. How typical" You sir are my first  of the day.
Congratulations.
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"Yes I am but my lifestyle doesn't contribute to my health conditions. I lead a healthy lifestyle but they are chronic, managed by medication. Change your diet and see how it goes then. Yes I do realise how silly that sounds but it only sounds silly to a brain that's been conditioned from the cradle to think that when in need the GP is the first step to recovery." Try having chronic health conditions that don't get affected by diet. I still try and convince myself that diet is key and I spend ages messing around with what I eat to see what does and doesn't work. And it's exhausting, stressful and makes me feel guilty when I get it wrong. I've found certain foods make me worse. But ultimately I followed a strict exclusion diet (also incredibly healthy) for around 4-6 months and other than losing a ton of weight, it didn't do an awful lot. There does come a point where you say "enough". I don't think blaming people for their illnesses is helpful or useful. No one chooses to be ill. | |||
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"Yes I am but my lifestyle doesn't contribute to my health conditions. I lead a healthy lifestyle but they are chronic, managed by medication. Change your diet and see how it goes then. Yes I do realise how silly that sounds but it only sounds silly to a brain that's been conditioned from the cradle to think that when in need the GP is the first step to recovery." I'm on a gluten, wheat, diary and sugar free diet. Avoiding any processed food and making things from scratch. I've only been doing it 7 weeks but haven't had the "rush of energy" I was promised! Other than dropping some weight (which is a positive thing but not the main reason for me doing it), I've not noticed any benefits yet. I had a hysterectomy 6 months ago and so I'm still struggling with the aftermath. I also have Fibromyalgia and M.E. so think it's just going to take a lot longer for me. I came off my painkillers and antidepressants about 4 months ago and I'm really struggling. Unfortunately changing your diet is a positive step but it's certainly not a magic cure. | |||
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So have your full english and a few pills for the heartburn that will follow in the meantime I'll drink some kale/banana smoothie | |||
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"Firm believer in that your health is in your hands here. It makes me laugh when people who eat bad, live bad, don't pay attention to their needs on every level think that when their system crumbles a trip to GP followed by prescription will miraculously cure them of all alignments. Funny" Do you mean ailments? | |||
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"Yes I am but my lifestyle doesn't contribute to my health conditions. I lead a healthy lifestyle but they are chronic, managed by medication. Change your diet and see how it goes then. Yes I do realise how silly that sounds but it only sounds silly to a brain that's been conditioned from the cradle to think that when in need the GP is the first step to recovery. You don't know anything about my health conditions or my diet. So don't be random or disrespectful Exactly - on defense right from the start. How typical" When you have a chronic illness so you know how many well meaning people say "have you tried x y z" and offer all sorts of conflicting advice? It's ridiculous. When you've spent 5 years and a lot of time and effort chasing alternatives, and that promised "cure" again doesn't work for the 100th time you stop listening to people who are clueless. Some of us are just born with fucked up immune systems. We're not all born 100% healthy and designed to stay that way. Looking after your body doesn't fix everything and it's insulting to people to say it does. Imagine telling someone with a missing limb that eating more fruit and veg would fix that? Think about what you're saying. | |||
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"Firm believer in that your health is in your hands here. It makes me laugh when people who eat bad, live bad, don't pay attention to their needs on every level think that when their system crumbles a trip to GP followed by prescription will miraculously cure them of all alignments. Funny Do you mean ailments?" Yep ailments  you got me big! Shall I crawl back to my cave then? | |||
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"Seronegative inflammatory spondyloarthritis cured in 4 months since becoming vegan. A condition deemed incurable by modern medicine. My story and you folks got nothing on it
So have your full english and a few pills for the heartburn that will follow in the meantime I'll drink some kale/banana smoothie"That's YOU. A sample size of 1. Doesn't mean everything works for everyone. And again, to blame all people for their illnesses is just horrible quite frankly. I live on green smoothies. I'm still fucked. | |||
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"Firm believer in that your health is in your hands here. It makes me laugh when people who eat bad, live bad, don't pay attention to their needs on every level think that when their system crumbles a trip to GP followed by prescription will miraculously cure them of all alignments. Funny Do you mean ailments? Yep ailments you got me big! Shall I crawl back to my cave then?"Are you working on a cure for passive aggressive tendencies? I bet it has something to do with carrots.... | |||
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"Yes I am but my lifestyle doesn't contribute to my health conditions. I lead a healthy lifestyle but they are chronic, managed by medication. Change your diet and see how it goes then. Yes I do realise how silly that sounds but it only sounds silly to a brain that's been conditioned from the cradle to think that when in need the GP is the first step to recovery. You don't know anything about my health conditions or my diet. So don't be random or disrespectful" | |||
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"Firm believer in that your health is in your hands here. It makes me laugh when people who eat bad, live bad, don't pay attention to their needs on every level think that when their system crumbles a trip to GP followed by prescription will miraculously cure them of all alignments. Funny Do you mean ailments? Yep ailments you got me big! Shall I crawl back to my cave then?
Are you working on a cure for passive aggressive tendencies? I bet it has something to do with carrots...."No, but you could try cbd's or a smoke. | |||
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"Firm believer in that your health is in your hands here. It makes me laugh when people who eat bad, live bad, don't pay attention to their needs on every level think that when their system crumbles a trip to GP followed by prescription will miraculously cure them of all alignments. Funny Do you mean ailments? Yep ailments you got me big! Shall I crawl back to my cave then?"Yes. | |||
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"OP, do you know a good remedy for constipation? 'cos you're so full of shit." I don't suffer from constipation however if I would, I'd gently ask you to get under me and patiently wait - pretty sure it'd be an instant remedy | |||
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"Yes I am but my lifestyle doesn't contribute to my health conditions. I lead a healthy lifestyle but they are chronic, managed by medication. Change your diet and see how it goes then. Yes I do realise how silly that sounds but it only sounds silly to a brain that's been conditioned from the cradle to think that when in need the GP is the first step to recovery. You don't know anything about my health conditions or my diet. So don't be random or disrespectful Exactly - on defense right from the start. How typical" People are bound to be defensive when confronted with aggressive, confrontational, presumptive arrogant 'arguments' and that is why discussions like this never go well. If you took the time to ask questions and understand other points of view people would have much more respect for you and your lifestyle choice. I am type 2 diabetic and do taken medication at the moment however the lifestyle changes I am making will hopefully result in my being taken off of them. It takes time to reverse a lifetime of bad choices and there will be relapses along the way. To simply stop any medication without making changes first is fool hardy and dangerous. | |||
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"Interesting. How did you manage to escape the matrix and free yourself ? My words won't be enough, but I can reccomend you just one book of many that I've read about the issue - Mind over Medicine by Lissa Rankin. Also here's her TED speech so you can have a glimpse of what's what: https://youtu.be/7tu9nJmr4Xs" A genuine thank you for advice given genuinely. The benefits of diet and exercise were old when I was young. I'm au fait thanks xx My daughter has far greater knowledge than I. She has M.S. ......... all the diet in the world  exercise...... well..... snigger. She has a nice pair of crutches though. I'm going to order some more lentils and see if she can out pulse it this year..... | |||
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"Seronegative inflammatory spondyloarthritis cured in 4 months since becoming vegan. A condition deemed incurable by modern medicine. My story and you folks got nothing on it
So have your full english and a few pills for the heartburn that will follow in the meantime I'll drink some kale/banana smoothie"I have been a vegan for thirty years .... next?? | |||
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"Seronegative inflammatory spondyloarthritis cured in 4 months since becoming vegan. A condition deemed incurable by modern medicine. My story and you folks got nothing on it
So have your full english and a few pills for the heartburn that will follow in the meantime I'll drink some kale/banana smoothie"i eat a healthy full english most days.. and have no health conditions except those I was born with... lost a ton of weight and dont even take the pain killers im told I need daily... Thats one of the highest horses ive seen in a long time | |||
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"Yes I am but my lifestyle doesn't contribute to my health conditions. I lead a healthy lifestyle but they are chronic, managed by medication. Change your diet and see how it goes then. Yes I do realise how silly that sounds but it only sounds silly to a brain that's been conditioned from the cradle to think that when in need the GP is the first step to recovery. You don't know anything about my health conditions or my diet. So don't be random or disrespectful Exactly - on defense right from the start. How typical When you have a chronic illness so you know how many well meaning people say "have you tried x y z" and offer all sorts of conflicting advice? It's ridiculous. When you've spent 5 years and a lot of time and effort chasing alternatives, and that promised "cure" again doesn't work for the 100th time you stop listening to people who are clueless. Some of us are just born with fucked up immune systems. We're not all born 100% healthy and designed to stay that way. Looking after your body doesn't fix everything and it's insulting to people to say it does. Imagine telling someone with a missing limb that eating more fruit and veg would fix that? Think about what you're saying." Well said. Somehow I dont have the words this morning .... got to eat something healthy and then l'll be more articulate, oh hang on, I already eat healthy food and live a healthy lifestyle ..... | |||
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"Firm believer in that your health is in your hands here. It makes me laugh when people who eat bad, live bad, don't pay attention to their needs on every level think that when their system crumbles a trip to GP followed by prescription will miraculously cure them of all alignments. Funny Do you mean ailments? Yep ailments you got me big! Shall I crawl back to my cave then?"Yes please I have a friend that is chronically ill and requires constant medical tests and various other constant procedures... someone that they know recommended going vegan
Until you know someone's intimate medical knowledge don't pass judgement on individual requirements. If eating healthily works for you then well done *slow hand clap*
Don't judge others until you've walked a mile in their shoes
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"Seronegative inflammatory spondyloarthritis cured in 4 months since becoming vegan. A condition deemed incurable by modern medicine. My story and you folks got nothing on it
So have your full english and a few pills for the heartburn that will follow in the meantime I'll drink some kale/banana smoothie"And what about the long term effects of being vegan? as many a years down the line many vegans have to pop vitamins to give the body the nutrients it's missing from the food items you don't eat and many vegans can't then change their diet to start re digesting those missing items as their bodies have adjusted to not having to do so What's working for you now may not always do be careful what you preach | |||
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"OP, do you know a good remedy for constipation? 'cos you're so full of shit. I don't suffer from constipation however if I would, I'd gently ask you to get under me and patiently wait - pretty sure it'd be an instant remedy "You know jack-shit about people, their lives and their health issues. So don't make sweeping assumptions. It just makes you look like a pompous idiot. | |||
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"Do you mean ailments? Yep ailments you got me big! Shall I crawl back to my cave then?"I think that would be a jolly good idea  | |||
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"Interesting. How did you manage to escape the matrix and free yourself ? My words won't be enough, but I can reccomend you just one book of many that I've read about the issue - Mind over Medicine by Lissa Rankin. Also here's her TED speech so you can have a glimpse of what's what: https://youtu.be/7tu9nJmr4Xs A genuine thank you for advice given genuinely. The benefits of diet and exercise were old when I was young. I'm au fait thanks xx My daughter has far greater knowledge than I. She has M.S. ......... all the diet in the world exercise...... well..... snigger. She has a nice pair of crutches though. I'm going to order some more lentils and see if she can out pulse it this year..... "You're welcome! It was the wole point on this thread. If one person benefitted from it I'm complete for today. | |||
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"OP, do you know a good remedy for constipation? 'cos you're so full of shit. I don't suffer from constipation however if I would, I'd gently ask you to get under me and patiently wait - pretty sure it'd be an instant remedy
You know jack-shit about people, their lives and their health issues. So don't make sweeping assumptions. It just makes you look like a pompous idiot."Say what you want - you still got owned | |||
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"Interesting. How did you manage to escape the matrix and free yourself ? My words won't be enough, but I can reccomend you just one book of many that I've read about the issue - Mind over Medicine by Lissa Rankin. Also here's her TED speech so you can have a glimpse of what's what: https://youtu.be/7tu9nJmr4Xs A genuine thank you for advice given genuinely. The benefits of diet and exercise were old when I was young. I'm au fait thanks xx My daughter has far greater knowledge than I. She has M.S. ......... all the diet in the world exercise...... well..... snigger. She has a nice pair of crutches though. I'm going to order some more lentils and see if she can out pulse it this year.....
You're welcome! It was the wole point on this thread. If one person benefitted from it I'm complete for today."Whooosssshhhhh  | |||
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"Seronegative inflammatory spondyloarthritis cured in 4 months since becoming vegan. A condition deemed incurable by modern medicine. My story and you folks got nothing on it
So have your full english and a few pills for the heartburn that will follow in the meantime I'll drink some kale/banana smoothie
And what about the long term effects of being vegan? as many a years down the line many vegans have to pop vitamins to give the body the nutrients it's missing from the food items you don't eat and many vegans can't then change their diet to start re digesting those missing items as their bodies have adjusted to not having to do so
What's working for you now may not always do be careful what you preach "I am a long term vegan but I don't preach. Back in the day, people preached to me, and I dint like it. That was before being a vegan was fashionable. You have to take it seriously and mix and match foods to get your complex proteins and various vitamins and minerals. It isn't easy. Interestingly, I didn't bring my children up as vegans (my mum cooked for them too and I didn't think I dshoudl impose my choices on them) but tow of them (the two who are adults) have now become vegans out of choice. It is much easier to do this today. My health conditions have nothing to do with being a vegan, and its neither here nor there ... but I agree, its very important to realise it isn't the be all and end all. Nothing is that easy | |||
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"What a load of twaddle... Not all health condition can be cured or managed by lifestyle changes. Apparently a faith healer can cure cancer too... Who needs chemo to shrink the tumour and MST tabs to ease the pain eh?!... Just a lifestyle change will sort that "My dad was the healthiest man I've met and I go to the gym every day so I've met a few. Ate healthy, kept fit. Got brain tumour and died 3 months later. Is there a diet for that ? I understand that some may not help themselves but it's their choice, if I want a Belgium bun and wine once a week I will. ?? | |||
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"OP, do you know a good remedy for constipation? 'cos you're so full of shit. I don't suffer from constipation however if I would, I'd gently ask you to get under me and patiently wait - pretty sure it'd be an instant remedy
You know jack-shit about people, their lives and their health issues. So don't make sweeping assumptions. It just makes you look like a pompous idiot.
Say what you want - you still got owned"And you're still talking like a knob. | |||
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"OP, do you know a good remedy for constipation? 'cos you're so full of shit. I don't suffer from constipation however if I would, I'd gently ask you to get under me and patiently wait - pretty sure it'd be an instant remedy
You know jack-shit about people, their lives and their health issues. So don't make sweeping assumptions. It just makes you look like a pompous idiot.
Say what you want - you still got owned"Owned.. thats a statement my teenagers find childish  | |||
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"Interesting. How did you manage to escape the matrix and free yourself ? My words won't be enough, but I can reccomend you just one book of many that I've read about the issue - Mind over Medicine by Lissa Rankin. Also here's her TED speech so you can have a glimpse of what's what: https://youtu.be/7tu9nJmr4Xs A genuine thank you for advice given genuinely. The benefits of diet and exercise were old when I was young. I'm au fait thanks xx My daughter has far greater knowledge than I. She has M.S. ......... all the diet in the world exercise...... well..... snigger. She has a nice pair of crutches though. I'm going to order some more lentils and see if she can out pulse it this year.....
You're welcome! It was the wole point on this thread. If one person benefitted from it I'm complete for today."Well you either don't get sacarsm or you're spectacular at it yourself | |||
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"Seronegative inflammatory spondyloarthritis cured in 4 months since becoming vegan. A condition deemed incurable by modern medicine. My story and you folks got nothing on it
So have your full english and a few pills for the heartburn that will follow in the meantime I'll drink some kale/banana smoothie"I'm off to A&E with kale/banana (or did you mean kale&banana) smoothies to cure those broken limbs. I will get those people to tell tales of my powers and in time Jesus won't have shit on me. | |||
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"OP, do you know a good remedy for constipation? 'cos you're so full of shit. I don't suffer from constipation however if I would, I'd gently ask you to get under me and patiently wait - pretty sure it'd be an instant remedy
You know jack-shit about people, their lives and their health issues. So don't make sweeping assumptions. It just makes you look like a pompous idiot.
Say what you want - you still got owned"I have lived an 'alternative, anti establishment' lifestyle for much monger than you, OP, and to be h honest, now everyone is jumping on that particular bandwagon, I think you need to rethink who exactly is owned .... as a few other posters have said, many of us have experience and weighed things up and come to our own opinion. Again I ask, what makes you think you are the only one who has thought about these things? | |||
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"Interesting. How did you manage to escape the matrix and free yourself ? My words won't be enough, but I can reccomend you just one book of many that I've read about the issue - Mind over Medicine by Lissa Rankin. Also here's her TED speech so you can have a glimpse of what's what: https://youtu.be/7tu9nJmr4Xs A genuine thank you for advice given genuinely. The benefits of diet and exercise were old when I was young. I'm au fait thanks xx My daughter has far greater knowledge than I. She has M.S. ......... all the diet in the world exercise...... well..... snigger. She has a nice pair of crutches though. I'm going to order some more lentils and see if she can out pulse it this year.....
You're welcome! It was the wole point on this thread. If one person benefitted from it I'm complete for today.
Whooosssshhhhh "With wheels on Evie.. with wheels on. It's all those carrots n nuts. | |||
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"OP, do you know a good remedy for constipation? 'cos you're so full of shit. I don't suffer from constipation however if I would, I'd gently ask you to get under me and patiently wait - pretty sure it'd be an instant remedy
You know jack-shit about people, their lives and their health issues. So don't make sweeping assumptions. It just makes you look like a pompous idiot.
Say what you want - you still got owned
Owned.. thats a statement my teenagers find childish "Don't let them grow up too soon - they might turn into grumpy old people long before their expiration dates | |||
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"This thread makes me want to eat raw steak with a double scotch chaser... if being a vegan turns you into a "medical messiah" then I don't want it I tell you!!" It doesn't .... it's all about what type of person you are ... | |||
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"OP, do you know a good remedy for constipation? 'cos you're so full of shit. I don't suffer from constipation however if I would, I'd gently ask you to get under me and patiently wait - pretty sure it'd be an instant remedy
You know jack-shit about people, their lives and their health issues. So don't make sweeping assumptions. It just makes you look like a pompous idiot.
Say what you want - you still got owned
Owned.. thats a statement my teenagers find childish
Don't let them grow up too soon - they might turn into grumpy old people long before their expiration dates"why are they related to you... | |||
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"Here's a healthy lifestyle choice, don't feed the troll and maybe this thread will wither away and die " | |||
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"Here's a healthy lifestyle choice, don't feed the troll and maybe this thread will wither away and die " Yeah, with hindsight I should have posted on the other thread about this topic | |||
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"OP, do you know a good remedy for constipation? 'cos you're so full of shit. I don't suffer from constipation however if I would, I'd gently ask you to get under me and patiently wait - pretty sure it'd be an instant remedy
You know jack-shit about people, their lives and their health issues. So don't make sweeping assumptions. It just makes you look like a pompous idiot.
Say what you want - you still got owned
And you're still talking like a knob."maybe he should just take a chill pill. Has a really bad attitude. | |||
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"This thread makes me want to eat raw steak with a double scotch chaser... if being a vegan turns you into a "medical messiah" then I don't want it I tell you!! It doesn't .... it's all about what type of person you are ..." Well the OP believes the success of his post is in just reaching one person... but what if by reaching that one person he turns 20 away from a healthy lifestyle... would he still view this as a success I wonder | |||
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"Here's a healthy lifestyle choice, don't feed the troll and maybe this thread will wither away and die " But what would everyone do to avoid life ? | |||
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"Seronegative inflammatory spondyloarthritis cured in 4 months since becoming vegan. A condition deemed incurable by modern medicine. My story and you folks got nothing on it
So have your full english and a few pills for the heartburn that will follow in the meantime I'll drink some kale/banana smoothie
And what about the long term effects of being vegan? as many a years down the line many vegans have to pop vitamins to give the body the nutrients it's missing from the food items you don't eat and many vegans can't then change their diet to start re digesting those missing items as their bodies have adjusted to not having to do so
What's working for you now may not always do be careful what you preach
I am a long term vegan but I don't preach. Back in the day, people preached to me, and I dint like it. That was before being a vegan was fashionable. You have to take it seriously and mix and match foods to get your complex proteins and various vitamins and minerals. It isn't easy. Interestingly, I didn't bring my children up as vegans (my mum cooked for them too and I didn't think I dshoudl impose my choices on them) but tow of them (the two who are adults) have now become vegans out of choice. It is much easier to do this today. My health conditions have nothing to do with being a vegan, and its neither here nor there ... but I agree, its very important to realise it isn't the be all and end all. Nothing is that easy "I wasn't referring to you when I made the preach comment as I'm sure you've guessed My best friends been vegan all her life and has a terrible vitamin D deficiency now along with others I'm not critiquing your lifestyle choice but humans are a species classified as omnivores and there's a reason for that | |||
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"Seronegative inflammatory spondyloarthritis cured in 4 months since becoming vegan. A condition deemed incurable by modern medicine. My story and you folks got nothing on it
So have your full english and a few pills for the heartburn that will follow in the meantime I'll drink some kale/banana smoothie
And what about the long term effects of being vegan? as many a years down the line many vegans have to pop vitamins to give the body the nutrients it's missing from the food items you don't eat and many vegans can't then change their diet to start re digesting those missing items as their bodies have adjusted to not having to do so
What's working for you now may not always do be careful what you preach
I am a long term vegan but I don't preach. Back in the day, people preached to me, and I dint like it. That was before being a vegan was fashionable. You have to take it seriously and mix and match foods to get your complex proteins and various vitamins and minerals. It isn't easy. Interestingly, I didn't bring my children up as vegans (my mum cooked for them too and I didn't think I dshoudl impose my choices on them) but tow of them (the two who are adults) have now become vegans out of choice. It is much easier to do this today. My health conditions have nothing to do with being a vegan, and its neither here nor there ... but I agree, its very important to realise it isn't the be all and end all. Nothing is that easy
I wasn't referring to you when I made the preach comment as I'm sure you've guessed
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"Firm believer in that your health is in your hands here. It makes me laugh when people who eat bad, live bad, don't pay attention to their needs on every level think that when their system crumbles a trip to GP followed by prescription will miraculously cure them of all alignments. Funny Do you mean ailments? Yep ailments you got me big! Shall I crawl back to my cave then?"If that is where you came from. | |||
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"Firm believer in that your health is in your hands here. It makes me laugh when people who eat bad, live bad, don't pay attention to their needs on every level think that when their system crumbles a trip to GP followed by prescription will miraculously cure them of all alignments. Funny" Yes. There are people like that. There are also people who need to rely on medication to keep them alive. The two aren't the same. I don't understand why some have taken what the op said to heart if they are not eating and living badly which is contributing to their ailments. That's what i took the op to mean anyway. | |||
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"Seronegative inflammatory spondyloarthritis cured in 4 months since becoming vegan. A condition deemed incurable by modern medicine. My story and you folks got nothing on it
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"I have MS. My lifestyle didnt cause me to have. I do try to eat healthyly most of the time but sometimes I think balls to it and a juicy kebab or pizza. I dont currently take medication for it as the side affects are worse than the symptoms. But believe me when that situation changes I'll ask for medication." try some kale...Chuck a blueberry in there too maybe for good measure | |||
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"I am chronically ill. I need an organ transplant. If I don't have one, I will die. When I first got poorly, I was in the gym 3/4 days a week, running around 40km along side other classes. I ate well, drank enough water and looked after myself. My body is still shafted. I'm kept alive by various medication. Sadly, without a transplant there is no cure. It appears that all the diet changes in the world don't stop you being a monumental bellend either.. shame! "To put it in terms you'd understand; #owned Beard | |||
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"I have MS. My lifestyle didnt cause me to have. I do try to eat healthyly most of the time but sometimes I think balls to it and a juicy kebab or pizza. I dont currently take medication for it as the side affects are worse than the symptoms. But believe me when that situation changes I'll ask for medication. try some kale...Chuck a blueberry in there too maybe for good measure "Cheers dude lol. | |||
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"Obviously subsequent posts by the op have made me realise i may have misinterpreted the op. ...that'll teach me not to read the whole thread properly
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Green arrow helps with this one too
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"I have MS. My lifestyle didnt cause me to have. I do try to eat healthyly most of the time but sometimes I think balls to it and a juicy kebab or pizza. I dont currently take medication for it as the side affects are worse than the symptoms. But believe me when that situation changes I'll ask for medication. try some kale...Chuck a blueberry in there too maybe for good measure "It's the blueberries that people have been missing | |||
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And to the vegans on this thread, I have to say, that takes some dedication. I couldn't do it. My son was vegtetatian for about 8 years, but had to go back to being an omnivore recently as couldn't get enough protein in his body. After a sudden condition resulting in him having 5 neuro operations in 6 days, including 6 hours of brain surgery on his 21st birthday he is now lactose intolerant and so can't eat much cheese. He also can't take soy due to hormone issues so tufo and many meat substitutes are out. In the end he realised that giving up being vegetarian and eating meat again was his only realistic option of having a healthy life and not just subsisting on nuts for protein.
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"I have MS. My lifestyle didnt cause me to have. I do try to eat healthyly most of the time but sometimes I think balls to it and a juicy kebab or pizza. I dont currently take medication for it as the side affects are worse than the symptoms. But believe me when that situation changes I'll ask for medication. try some kale...Chuck a blueberry in there too maybe for good measure
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"Sorry, just had to add that And to the vegans on this thread, I have to say, that takes some dedication. I couldn't do it. My son was vegtetatian for about 8 years, but had to go back to being an omnivore recently as couldn't get enough protein in his body. After a sudden condition resulting in him having 5 neuro operations in 6 days, including 6 hours of brain surgery on his 21st birthday he is now lactose intolerant and so can't eat much cheese. He also can't take soy due to hormone issues so tufo and many meat substitutes are out. In the end he realised that giving up being vegetarian and eating meat again was his only realistic option of having a healthy life and not just subsisting on nuts for protein.
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"Interesting. How did you manage to escape the matrix and free yourself ? My words won't be enough, but I can reccomend you just one book of many that I've read about the issue - Mind over Medicine by Lissa Rankin. Also here's her TED speech so you can have a glimpse of what's what: https://youtu.be/7tu9nJmr4Xs A genuine thank you for advice given genuinely. The benefits of diet and exercise were old when I was young. I'm au fait thanks xx My daughter has far greater knowledge than I. She has M.S. ......... all the diet in the world exercise...... well..... snigger. She has a nice pair of crutches though. I'm going to order some more lentils and see if she can out pulse it this year.....
You're welcome! It was the wole point on this thread. If one person benefitted from it I'm complete for today.
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"Here's a healthy lifestyle choice, don't feed the troll and maybe this thread will wither away and die "this.. why is anyone justifying their health choices to some random..? OP, stay off the 420 maybe.. | |||
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"OP, do you know a good remedy for constipation? 'cos you're so full of shit. I don't suffer from constipation however if I would, I'd gently ask you to get under me and patiently wait - pretty sure it'd be an instant remedy
You know jack-shit about people, their lives and their health issues. So don't make sweeping assumptions. It just makes you look like a pompous idiot.
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"Firm believer in that your health is in your hands here. It makes me laugh when people who eat bad, live bad, don't pay attention to their needs on every level think that when their system crumbles a trip to GP followed by prescription will miraculously cure them of all alignments. Funny" It's not funny. Unless you find laughing at other people in trouble amusing. Or are just innately smug and self-righteous because you know how to look after yourself that you can't empathise with people who have entirely different life and health experiences to your own. | |||
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"Firm believer in that your health is in your hands here. It makes me laugh when people who eat bad, live bad, don't pay attention to their needs on every level think that when their system crumbles a trip to GP followed by prescription will miraculously cure them of all alignments. Funny It's not funny. Unless you find laughing at other people in trouble amusing. Or are just innately smug and self-righteous because you know how to look after yourself that you can't empathise with people who have entirely different life and health experiences to your own."
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"Nope, it's that difficult to get an appointment with my GP that I'd rather just wait out whatever ailment I wanted help for in the first place. " Lol i no that filling my gp is the same.  I find it better just to go to boots.
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"Q: how do you tell someone is a vegan? Matt, I don't normally tell you I am vegan as I dont like preachy meat eaters so I am not a preachy vegan. I told the OP as he let's vegans down by banging on about it. How do you know if a swingers is on the thread ,... they'd tell you, etc, could be the same for any group. Anyone who wants to seriously be a vegan needs research into complex proteins and vitamins and how to get them. I dont replace proteins with nuts. There are loads more choices these days I am not vitamin D deficient, I know this because I was tested, but plenty of people who eat meat are too. Dont be judgemental about vegans or put them all under the same heading ... same for meat eaters, how does it feel if everyone is told they are the same. We aren't .... A: Don't worry. They'll tell you! Sorry, just had to add that And to the vegans on this thread, I have to say, that takes some dedication. I couldn't do it. My son was vegtetatian for about 8 years, but had to go back to being an omnivore recently as couldn't get enough protein in his body. After a sudden condition resulting in him having 5 neuro operations in 6 days, including 6 hours of brain surgery on his 21st birthday he is now lactose intolerant and so can't eat much cheese. He also can't take soy due to hormone issues so tufo and many meat substitutes are out. In the end he realised that giving up being vegetarian and eating meat again was his only realistic option of having a healthy life and not just subsisting on nuts for protein.
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"Interesting. How did you manage to escape the matrix and free yourself ? My words won't be enough, but I can reccomend you just one book of many that I've read about the issue - Mind over Medicine by Lissa Rankin. Also here's her TED speech so you can have a glimpse of what's what: https://youtu.be/7tu9nJmr4Xs" She sells her healing powers on her websites. Tapping powers? | |||
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"op..is this you? https://youtu.be/z0O_VYcsIk8 "Nice one dude | |||
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"Interesting. How did you manage to escape the matrix and free yourself ? My words won't be enough, but I can reccomend you just one book of many that I've read about the issue - Mind over Medicine by Lissa Rankin. Also here's her TED speech so you can have a glimpse of what's what: https://youtu.be/7tu9nJmr4Xs" So stop smoking and choose mind over medicine before telling other to do same | |||
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"Seronegative inflammatory spondyloarthritis cured in 4 months since becoming vegan. A condition deemed incurable by modern medicine. My story and you folks got nothing on it
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"Yes I am but my lifestyle doesn't contribute to my health conditions. I lead a healthy lifestyle but they are chronic, managed by medication. Change your diet and see how it goes then. Yes I do realise how silly that sounds but it only sounds silly to a brain that's been conditioned from the cradle to think that when in need the GP is the first step to recovery. You don't know anything about my health conditions or my diet. So don't be random or disrespectful Exactly - on defense right from the start. How typical People are bound to be defensive when confronted with aggressive, confrontational, presumptive arrogant 'arguments' and that is why discussions like this never go well. If you took the time to ask questions and understand other points of view people would have much more respect for you and your lifestyle choice. I am type 2 diabetic and do taken medication at the moment however the lifestyle changes I am making will hopefully result in my being taken off of them. It takes time to reverse a lifetime of bad choices and there will be relapses along the way. To simply stop any medication without making changes first is fool hardy and dangerous. " Good luck, another lady who is in the same diet group as me is in the same situation and after 4 weeks the GP said she could come off two of her tablets! x | |||
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"What on earth prompted this attack on forumites? Luchador, sweetie, do you do this to people at social mixers and dinner parties? Do you find that you are the epicentre of a rapidly expanding circle of space as people avoid your self-important, supercilious haranguing? Do you ever wonder why? Here's a piece of hypocritical advice; leave the advice giving until it's actually solicited. " Don't overthink it - it's just the internet love. | |||
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"What on earth prompted this attack on forumites? Luchador, sweetie, do you do this to people at social mixers and dinner parties? Do you find that you are the epicentre of a rapidly expanding circle of space as people avoid your self-important, supercilious haranguing? Do you ever wonder why? Here's a piece of hypocritical advice; leave the advice giving until it's actually solicited. Don't overthink it - it's just the internet love." | |||
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"OP, does most of your health advice come from the internet though? What on earth prompted this attack on forumites? Luchador, sweetie, do you do this to people at social mixers and dinner parties? Do you find that you are the epicentre of a rapidly expanding circle of space as people avoid your self-important, supercilious haranguing? Do you ever wonder why? Here's a piece of hypocritical advice; leave the advice giving until it's actually solicited. Don't overthink it - it's just the internet love." Mainly from books and desperation after mainstream medicine failed me one time too many. | |||
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"op..is this you? https://youtu.be/z0O_VYcsIk8
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes." That's probably the least witty and tasteless thing I've read in a long time. | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes. That's probably the least witty and tasteless thing I've read in a long time. " | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes. That's probably the least witty and tasteless thing I've read in a long time. " Oh my god. Wow. I refer to my previous comment on this thread about OP being a monumental bellend. Appalling comment. | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes. That's probably the least witty and tasteless thing I've read in a long time. Oh my god. Wow. I refer to my previous comment on this thread about OP being a monumental bellend. Appalling comment." Ok - I've defended his right to free speech on the other thread but I agree - that's crossed a line for me. Got to agree in this instance! | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes. That's probably the least witty and tasteless thing I've read in a long time. Oh my god. Wow. I refer to my previous comment on this thread about OP being a monumental bellend. Appalling comment." For the first time in a long time I'm without words. Truly abhorrent and confirms everything that's been said about this poster today Beard | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes." That's enough internet for you pal, back to your cave | |||
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"Surprised by my reply? It's not me who dragged a cripple into this conversation..." So that justifies your response?! You're a vile excuse for a human being. Get back in your hole | |||
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"Surprised by my reply? It's not me who dragged a cripple into this conversation... So that justifies your response?! You're a vile excuse for a human being. Get back in your hole" Ok mom | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes." Nothing short of the response I expected Surprised you believe in god when you don't believe in the science of medicine, considering "he" created us and then we created those scientific advances, so technically "he" made medicine so pop as many pills as you like | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes. Nothing short of the response I expected Surprised you believe in god when you don't believe in the science of medicine, considering "he" created us and then we created those scientific advances, so technically "he" made medicine so pop as many pills as you like " False claim - I don't believe in god. | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes. Nothing short of the response I expected Surprised you believe in god when you don't believe in the science of medicine, considering "he" created us and then we created those scientific advances, so technically "he" made medicine so pop as many pills as you like False claim - I don't believe in god. " you referenced god not me | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes. Nothing short of the response I expected Surprised you believe in god when you don't believe in the science of medicine, considering "he" created us and then we created those scientific advances, so technically "he" made medicine so pop as many pills as you like False claim - I don't believe in god. you referenced god not me " In a sarcastic response which obviously went straight over your head. | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes. Nothing short of the response I expected Surprised you believe in god when you don't believe in the science of medicine, considering "he" created us and then we created those scientific advances, so technically "he" made medicine so pop as many pills as you like False claim - I don't believe in god. you referenced god not me In a sarcastic response which obviously went straight over your head." No I got it I was doing the same What's up Does your own medicine not taste nice? | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes. Nothing short of the response I expected Surprised you believe in god when you don't believe in the science of medicine, considering "he" created us and then we created those scientific advances, so technically "he" made medicine so pop as many pills as you like False claim - I don't believe in god. you referenced god not me In a sarcastic response which obviously went straight over your head. No I got it I was doing the same What's up Does your own medicine not taste nice? " No you weren't | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes. Nothing short of the response I expected Surprised you believe in god when you don't believe in the science of medicine, considering "he" created us and then we created those scientific advances, so technically "he" made medicine so pop as many pills as you like False claim - I don't believe in god. you referenced god not me In a sarcastic response which obviously went straight over your head. No I got it I was doing the same What's up Does your own medicine not taste nice? No you weren't "you keep telling yourself that might just make it better | |||
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"Well my paralysed cousins just had his banana and kale smoothie. He wants to know how long it will be before he'll walk again OP? Zap him with some wall socket current to get those limbs in motion, sit back, relax and watch God's work right in front of your eyes. Nothing short of the response I expected Surprised you believe in god when you don't believe in the science of medicine, considering "he" created us and then we created those scientific advances, so technically "he" made medicine so pop as many pills as you like False claim - I don't believe in god. you referenced god not me In a sarcastic response which obviously went straight over your head. No I got it I was doing the same What's up Does your own medicine not taste nice? No you weren't
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"i deal with my inner world in other ways, its rare im ill even rarer that i go to the doctors.. dis-ease is a matter of imbalance, that imbalance was allowed in by me...so i work on that premise..." Exactly. People failed to understand what I've wrote in plain english that pill won't reverse the abuse they do to themselves every day. | |||
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"Lol what a load of crap some illnesses are genetic and only treatable though perscribed meds" Yep like dementia it's genetic and incurable | |||
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"i deal with my inner world in other ways, its rare im ill even rarer that i go to the doctors.. dis-ease is a matter of imbalance, that imbalance was allowed in by me...so i work on that premise... Exactly. People failed to understand what I've wrote in plain english that pill won't reverse the abuse they do to themselves every day." however i am understanding that chronic health conditions and acute situations require outside help x | |||
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"Lol what a load of crap some illnesses are genetic and only treatable though perscribed meds Yep like dementia it's genetic and incurable " exactly people like the Op just like to hear the sound of there own voices | |||
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"i deal with my inner world in other ways, its rare im ill even rarer that i go to the doctors.. dis-ease is a matter of imbalance, that imbalance was allowed in by me...so i work on that premise... Exactly. People failed to understand what I've wrote in plain english that pill won't reverse the abuse they do to themselves every day.however i am understanding that chronic health conditions and acute situations require outside help x" Nicely played there Suzy He walked straight into it | |||
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"Lol what a load of crap some illnesses are genetic and only treatable though perscribed meds Yep like dementia it's genetic and incurable " Your ......... is genetic and incurable. | |||
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"OP, do you know a good remedy for constipation? 'cos you're so full of shit. I don't suffer from constipation however if I would, I'd gently ask you to get under me and patiently wait - pretty sure it'd be an instant remedy
You know jack-shit about people, their lives and their health issues. So don't make sweeping assumptions. It just makes you look like a pompous idiot.
Say what you want - you still got owned"How old are you OP? You are behaving like a child in the playground. My 9 year old talks about getting owned. If you have been lucky to help relieve your symptoms with a lifestyle changes good for you. But not everyone is that lucky. Medical science is full of strange bizarre occurrences. Take the number of fit and healthy young men dying from heart conditions at a very young age. So climb back into your cave and have your khale and banana smoothies and stop trying to wind everyone up. | |||
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"OP, do you know a good remedy for constipation? 'cos you're so full of shit. I don't suffer from constipation however if I would, I'd gently ask you to get under me and patiently wait - pretty sure it'd be an instant remedy
You know jack-shit about people, their lives and their health issues. So don't make sweeping assumptions. It just makes you look like a pompous idiot.
Say what you want - you still got owned
How old are you OP? You are behaving like a child in the playground. My 9 year old talks about getting owned.
If you have been lucky to help relieve your symptoms with a lifestyle changes good for you. But not everyone is that lucky. Medical science is full of strange bizarre occurrences. Take the number of fit and healthy young men dying from heart conditions at a very young age.
So climb back into your cave and have your khale and banana smoothies and stop trying to wind everyone up."He's not the best advert for kale and banana is he? So much for being healthy! | |||
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Can we get this and the rest of his bileous outpourings to 175 as quickly as possible please
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"Firm believer in that your health is in your hands here. It makes me laugh when people who eat bad, live bad, don't pay attention to their needs on every level think that when their system crumbles a trip to GP followed by prescription will miraculously cure them of all alignments. Funny" It's not funny though is it. We need to educate people that frequently their health is in their own hands. Obesity is a huge issue so is alcohol consumption yet both are seen as something that people have no control over. The issue is far more complex than you describe. | |||
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"Firm believer in that your health is in your hands here. It makes me laugh when people who eat bad, live bad, don't pay attention to their needs on every level think that when their system crumbles a trip to GP followed by prescription will miraculously cure them of all alignments. Funny It's not funny though is it. We need to educate people that frequently their health is in their own hands. Obesity is a huge issue so is alcohol consumption yet both are seen as something that people have no control over. The issue is far more complex than you describe." Very well said. The OP just needs to foxtrot oscar. | |||
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"Could the forum gods look at the OP and investigate his vile rantings. " It would appear they're all akip today. | |||
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"What surprises me most about this thread and other green arrow revelations, is that the OP is still able to post.
Can we get this and the rest of his bileous outpourings to 175 as quickly as possible please
"You might not like how he says it, but there is an important discussion to be had underneath it all nevertheless. Filling a thread because you don't like it isn't allowed and is not the answer, surely? Mr ddc | |||
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"What surprises me most about this thread and other green arrow revelations, is that the OP is still able to post.
Can we get this and the rest of his bileous outpourings to 175 as quickly as possible please
You might not like how he says it, but there is an important discussion to be had underneath it all nevertheless.
Filling a thread because you don't like it isn't allowed and is not the answer, surely?
Mr ddc"#irony | |||
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"The ironic thing about all this is the OP is trying to promote not medicating yourself, all the while he's a 420 smoker and that can be given on prescription as a medication " Can it??? Why the fuck am I paying for my cbd then! xxx | |||
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