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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Current news....people going to doctors with colds, bruises etc..... RIDICULOUS,!
Stop being wimps....the doc can't give you anything for a cold or a cough. It's viral! (Different if cough is persistent...could be other causes). Don't demand anti-biopics as they do nothing for colds etc. and you probably won't finish the course so the whole world of bugs become immune!
Draining the NHS of billions a year. Loading up future problems for real drug treatments for real illnesses. Get a grip you pussies!
And breathe....rant over and I know it may not apply equally to the good folk of fab forums....but it gets my goat (as my daughter is a junior Dec and wants to be a GP) ......it does need sorting don't you think? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Moaning doctors, people have always been the same if they do not like the terms and conditions then don't get onto general practice join the UN and help in war zones "rant over" |
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People do visit the doctor unnecessarily. Is it always those that would be entitled to free visits should charges be introduced? I'm not sure. What about the "worried well" the educated people who read articles that have "consult your GP before attending the gym/taking this alternative medicine/starting this fad diet". An interesting programme to watch is "GPs Behind Closed Doors" although I realise it's edited it's a bit of an eye opener too.
Let's educate not blame. Put more money into training and supporting GPs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When my GP diagnosed my heart condition she was visibly thrilled! Probably the first actually ill person she'd met for a while.. ( yes my local town is full of work dodging mingers). |
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By *arrasicMan
over a year ago
birmingham |
Scrap the nhs then you don't pay national insurance.peaple pay average 35 pound a week some alot more. Keep that 35 pounds a week use it to pay when you visit doctor easy to get apintments same day as peaple wont go to doctors for a pimple on there arse it works in Ireland nhs don't work no more like it used to some times 2 weeks to get a apintment thats why it dont work |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wait till your country deports all non-english gp's and come back to cry about the issue 
But won't that mean we deport all the non English patients?"
Expect miracles only if you believe the whole HNS tourism bullshit. Also I don't expect you of actually being aware how British health service relies on foreign skills. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Scrap the nhs then you don't pay national insurance.peaple pay average 35 pound a week some alot more. Keep that 35 pounds a week use it to pay when you visit doctor easy to get apintments same day as peaple wont go to doctors for a pimple on there arse it works in Ireland nhs don't work no more like it used to some times 2 weeks to get a apintment thats why it dont work"
Will those on income support have to pay as well? |
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"I swear they'd have brought in a £10 charge per visit if it weren't for the fact that the people who abuse it most are the ones who are exempt from charges.
Mr ddc "
That's always the problem. People that drain the NHS are except of charges.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I swear they'd have brought in a £10 charge per visit if it weren't for the fact that the people who abuse it most are the ones who are exempt from charges.
Mr ddc
That's always the problem. People that drain the NHS are except of charges.
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Socialism. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wait till your country deports all non-english gp's and come back to cry about the issue
But won't that mean we deport all the non English patients?
Expect miracles only if you believe the whole HNS tourism bullshit. Also I don't expect you of actually being aware how British health service relies on foreign skills."
Yes we rely on foreign nhs workers... we couldn't cope with the demand of foreign patients without them  |
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By *arrasicMan
over a year ago
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"Scrap the nhs then you don't pay national insurance.peaple pay average 35 pound a week some alot more. Keep that 35 pounds a week use it to pay when you visit doctor easy to get apintments same day as peaple wont go to doctors for a pimple on there arse it works in Ireland nhs don't work no more like it used to some times 2 weeks to get a apintment thats why it dont work
Will those on income support have to pay as well?"
Yes as thay get asmuch has the working person and will get extra to pay for doctors visit but wont use it for a cold |
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"I swear they'd have brought in a £10 charge per visit if it weren't for the fact that the people who abuse it most are the ones who are exempt from charges.
Mr ddc
That's always the problem. People that drain the NHS are except of charges.
Socialism."
No socialism involves taking only what one needs.
Sadly there was only one society that tried it properly, and we helped crush it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wait till your country deports all non-english gp's and come back to cry about the issue
But won't that mean we deport all the non English patients?
Expect miracles only if you believe the whole HNS tourism bullshit. Also I don't expect you of actually being aware how British health service relies on foreign skills.
Yes we rely on foreign nhs workers... we couldn't cope with the demand of foreign patients without them "
I just love debating arguments pulled out of thin air, not today though so carry on feeling comfortable in your tin foil hat pal  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I swear they'd have brought in a £10 charge per visit if it weren't for the fact that the people who abuse it most are the ones who are exempt from charges.
Mr ddc
That's always the problem. People that drain the NHS are except of charges.
Socialism.
No socialism involves taking only what one needs.
Sadly there was only one society that tried it properly, and we helped crush it.
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You mean USSR? Wow |
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By *arrasicMan
over a year ago
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"Is this going to turn in to a thread that blames "foreigners" and benefit claimants for the problems within the NHS?
Is it true? Are there statistics, is there a report that shows this?
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No because peaple who work abuse it aswell |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wait till your country deports all non-english gp's and come back to cry about the issue
But won't that mean we deport all the non English patients?
Expect miracles only if you believe the whole HNS tourism bullshit. Also I don't expect you of actually being aware how British health service relies on foreign skills.
Yes we rely on foreign nhs workers... we couldn't cope with the demand of foreign patients without them
I just love debating arguments pulled out of thin air, not today though so carry on feeling comfortable in your tin foil hat pal "
And you carry on feeling far better off living in my country than your own |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Problem with this sort of thinking, OP, is that it can deter those with serious, hidden ailments from seeking medical advice. And ultimately I doubt you will stop those who abuse the system |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Socialism.
No socialism involves taking only what one needs.
Sadly there was only one society that tried it properly, and we helped crush it.
You mean USSR? Wow
No, that was communism
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Communism, socialism - same shit. It's been raping my homeland for ages and it's slowly pulling your homeland down too... |
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"Wait till your country deports all non-english gp's and come back to cry about the issue
But won't that mean we deport all the non English patients?
Expect miracles only if you believe the whole HNS tourism bullshit. Also I don't expect you of actually being aware how British health service relies on foreign skills.
Yes we rely on foreign nhs workers... we couldn't cope with the demand of foreign patients without them
I just love debating arguments pulled out of thin air, not today though so carry on feeling comfortable in your tin foil hat pal "
Your first contribution to this thread seems as if it was plucked from thin air..... I won't mention the YOUR country element to it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wait till your country deports all non-english gp's and come back to cry about the issue
But won't that mean we deport all the non English patients?
Expect miracles only if you believe the whole HNS tourism bullshit. Also I don't expect you of actually being aware how British health service relies on foreign skills.
Yes we rely on foreign nhs workers... we couldn't cope with the demand of foreign patients without them
I just love debating arguments pulled out of thin air, not today though so carry on feeling comfortable in your tin foil hat pal
And you carry on feeling far better off living in my country than your own "
Wow - you're quick to let your ego hurt so here's a reality check - yes I do enjoy living in your country more than my own. Is it perfect? Far from it. Would I prefer to change the history so that Churchill wouldn't sell us to Soviets? I sure would! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Current news....people going to doctors with colds, bruises etc..... RIDICULOUS,!
Stop being wimps....the doc can't give you anything for a cold or a cough. It's viral! (Different if cough is persistent...could be other causes). Don't demand anti-biopics as they do nothing for colds etc. and you probably won't finish the course so the whole world of bugs become immune!
Draining the NHS of billions a year. Loading up future problems for real drug treatments for real illnesses. Get a grip you pussies!
And breathe....rant over and I know it may not apply equally to the good folk of fab forums....but it gets my goat (as my daughter is a junior Dec and wants to be a GP) ......it does need sorting don't you think?"
You do know that haematomas can be pretty serious?
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What you say makes sense O.P. for the fit, young and able.......
There are many for whom the catching of a cold is a serious issue ( my daughter for one )
Imagine we take this line with all resources.
e.g. Do you have your heating or fire on now ? Don't you know about global warming ?
Everyone tells everyone else to stop wasting money....... yet the world could function just as easily without it.
We just wont.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You say that but other day I needed a doctor appointment for my 5 year old who came down with a skin infection that spreads like wildfire... I diagnoised it and if they have chemists more power I could have got meds from there...
On other hand they wanted to book a pointless review in that wasnt needed and a complete waste of time..... why!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I swear they'd have brought in a £10 charge per visit if it weren't for the fact that the people who abuse it most are the ones who are exempt from charges.
Mr ddc
That's always the problem. People that drain the NHS are except of charges.
Socialism.
No socialism involves taking only what one needs.
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This sums up Socialism to me. It's all about taking and expecting everyone else to give.
My personal pride only always me to take what I have earned. |
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"Wait till your country deports all non-english gp's and come back to cry about the issue
But won't that mean we deport all the non English patients?
Expect miracles only if you believe the whole HNS tourism bullshit. Also I don't expect you of actually being aware how British health service relies on foreign skills.
Yes we rely on foreign nhs workers... we couldn't cope with the demand of foreign patients without them
I just love debating arguments pulled out of thin air, not today though so carry on feeling comfortable in your tin foil hat pal
And you carry on feeling far better off living in my country than your own
Wow - you're quick to let your ego hurt so here's a reality check - yes I do enjoy living in your country more than my own. Is it perfect? Far from it. Would I prefer to change the history so that Churchill wouldn't sell us to Soviets? I sure would!"
Your ego outed first.
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"Moaning doctors, people have always been the same if they do not like the terms and conditions then don't get onto general practice join the UN and help in war zones "rant over""
I think you need to educate yourself a little more about what it is actually like to be a GP and their actual concerns (which directly affect their PATIENTS by the way!) rather than calling them 'moaning doctors'. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Scrap the nhs then you don't pay national insurance.peaple pay average 35 pound a week some alot more. Keep that 35 pounds a week use it to pay when you visit doctor easy to get apintments same day as peaple wont go to doctors for a pimple on there arse it works in Ireland nhs don't work no more like it used to some times 2 weeks to get a apintment thats why it dont work
Will those on income support have to pay as well?
Yes as thay get asmuch has the working person and will get extra to pay for doctors visit but wont use it for a cold"
Oh because the American health system works so well and there's not poverty stricken people who can't afford any healthcare there ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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GPs do of course recognise the problem the OP's post. It's why they get secretaries to ask what a patient's symptoms are when they try and book an appointment. But the general consensus whenever that topic us discussed on here is that is a huge invasion of privacy and the vast majority of people seem incensed that they are asked such things by a mere secretary.
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By *iver2015Woman
over a year ago
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Not strictly on subject but I think it's silly how I get free prescriptions for life because of my underactive thyroid. Fair enough getting that medication. That's a help but I get everything free. I could go to the doctor just because I'd ran out of paracetamol. Of course I wouldn't do that but it must cost them a fair bit. |
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"Mr ddc
That's always the problem. People that drain the NHS are except of charges.
Socialism.
No socialism involves taking only what one needs.
This sums up Socialism to me. It's all about taking and expecting everyone else to give.
My personal pride only always me to take what I have earned. "
Me too
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".
Sadly I'm not sure human beings can achieve it.
And politicians abuse it in order to gain power for themselves. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I swear they'd have brought in a £10 charge per visit if it weren't for the fact that the people who abuse it most are the ones who are exempt from charges.
Mr ddc "
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"Not strictly on subject but I think it's silly how I get free prescriptions for life because of my underactive thyroid. Fair enough getting that medication. That's a help but I get everything free. I could go to the doctor just because I'd ran out of paracetamol. Of course I wouldn't do that but it must cost them a fair bit. "
I agree. I have had free prescriptions since I was 35 all because I have an interactive thyroid. I also now qualify because I'm 60. People like me drain the NHS too. |
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By *arrasicMan
over a year ago
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"Scrap the nhs then you don't pay national insurance.peaple pay average 35 pound a week some alot more. Keep that 35 pounds a week use it to pay when you visit doctor easy to get apintments same day as peaple wont go to doctors for a pimple on there arse it works in Ireland nhs don't work no more like it used to some times 2 weeks to get a apintment thats why it dont work
Will those on income support have to pay as well?
Yes as thay get asmuch has the working person and will get extra to pay for doctors visit but wont use it for a cold
Oh because the American health system works so well and there's not poverty stricken people who can't afford any healthcare there ? "
America don't get Same dole as us so thats rid |
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"I've stopped going after they told me to take paracetamol for a reoccurring back pain. Bloody useless most of them in my opinion. "
My GP did that and then I went back and said I wanted to know what was actually wrong.
I had an MRI scan and problems with my spine showed up.
I'm having an operation by a neurosurgeon this month  |
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What truly drains the NHS is the pharmaceutical companies controlling the market with crazy prices, and the dreadful waste following ill thought through short term decisions by senior management and lack of consultation with those in the NHS who are delivering the service!!! So when they discover their plan doesn't work in practice (because they didn't ask the right people in the first place!), they have already wasted a few million. So they scrap it and spend MORE money trying to undo the mess and create a NEW plan! After 25 years in the NHS I have seen back room tactics at senior level that would make Donald Trump cry! (And he isn't known for his sensitivity!)
An example of this was a new build hospital years ago....where they didn't consult the ITU nurses when building the ITU so the
specialist beds could not get through the doors INTO the ITU! So walls came down, delays in moving patients, costs soaring through the roof! That is ONE example! They also totally forgot to include a sluice area in two wards! Again - lack of appropriate consultation! Anyone familiar with working in hospitals will fully understand the implications of that! You know the NHS spends huge amounts on communication training ??? Waste of time when people don't have common sense!
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My GP's surgery is really well run and once they realised I had such a bad problem I've not had to go to the surgery and everything has been done over the phone.
All the hospital treatment I've had so far has also been excellent |
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"What truly drains the NHS is the pharmaceutical companies controlling the market with crazy prices, and the dreadful waste following ill thought through short term decisions by senior management and lack of consultation with those in the NHS who are delivering the service!!! So when they discover their plan doesn't work in practice (because they didn't ask the right people in the first place!), they have already wasted a few million. So they scrap it and spend MORE money trying to undo the mess and create a NEW plan! After 25 years in the NHS I have seen back room tactics at senior level that would make Donald Trump cry! (And he isn't known for his sensitivity!)
An example of this was a new build hospital years ago....where they didn't consult the ITU nurses when building the ITU so the
specialist beds could not get through the doors INTO the ITU! So walls came down, delays in moving patients, costs soaring through the roof! That is ONE example! They also totally forgot to include a sluice area in two wards! Again - lack of appropriate consultation! Anyone familiar with working in hospitals will fully understand the implications of that! You know the NHS spends huge amounts on communication training ??? Waste of time when people don't have common sense!
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I agree, there is money there but it the NHS is so top-heavy with 'management' it under functions.
Though personally I've had fantastic service |
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You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What truly drains the NHS is the pharmaceutical companies controlling the market with crazy prices, and the dreadful waste following ill thought through short term decisions by senior management and lack of consultation with those in the NHS who are delivering the service!!! So when they discover their plan doesn't work in practice (because they didn't ask the right people in the first place!), they have already wasted a few million. So they scrap it and spend MORE money trying to undo the mess and create a NEW plan! After 25 years in the NHS I have seen back room tactics at senior level that would make Donald Trump cry! (And he isn't known for his sensitivity!)
An example of this was a new build hospital years ago....where they didn't consult the ITU nurses when building the ITU so the
specialist beds could not get through the doors INTO the ITU! So walls came down, delays in moving patients, costs soaring through the roof! That is ONE example! They also totally forgot to include a sluice area in two wards! Again - lack of appropriate consultation! Anyone familiar with working in hospitals will fully understand the implications of that! You know the NHS spends huge amounts on communication training ??? Waste of time when people don't have common sense!
I agree, there is money there but it the NHS is so top-heavy with 'management' it under functions.
Though personally I've had fantastic service "
From my experience it's largely a myth that the NHS is saturated with "management". Unless of course people want clinical staff wasting their time undertaking the management and financial tasks which are inevitable and essential in multi billion pound organisations. |
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"What truly drains the NHS is the pharmaceutical companies controlling the market with crazy prices, and the dreadful waste following ill thought through short term decisions by senior management and lack of consultation with those in the NHS who are delivering the service!!! So when they discover their plan doesn't work in practice (because they didn't ask the right people in the first place!), they have already wasted a few million. So they scrap it and spend MORE money trying to undo the mess and create a NEW plan! After 25 years in the NHS I have seen back room tactics at senior level that would make Donald Trump cry! (And he isn't known for his sensitivity!)
An example of this was a new build hospital years ago....where they didn't consult the ITU nurses when building the ITU so the
specialist beds could not get through the doors INTO the ITU! So walls came down, delays in moving patients, costs soaring through the roof! That is ONE example! They also totally forgot to include a sluice area in two wards! Again - lack of appropriate consultation! Anyone familiar with working in hospitals will fully understand the implications of that! You know the NHS spends huge amounts on communication training ??? Waste of time when people don't have common sense!
I agree, there is money there but it the NHS is so top-heavy with 'management' it under functions.
Though personally I've had fantastic service
From my experience it's largely a myth that the NHS is saturated with "management". Unless of course people want clinical staff wasting their time undertaking the management and financial tasks which are inevitable and essential in multi billion pound organisations. "
It isn't the numbers of staff in management posts. It's the QUALITY of the management and their decision making. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What truly drains the NHS is the pharmaceutical companies controlling the market with crazy prices, and the dreadful waste following ill thought through short term decisions by senior management and lack of consultation with those in the NHS who are delivering the service!!! So when they discover their plan doesn't work in practice (because they didn't ask the right people in the first place!), they have already wasted a few million. So they scrap it and spend MORE money trying to undo the mess and create a NEW plan! After 25 years in the NHS I have seen back room tactics at senior level that would make Donald Trump cry! (And he isn't known for his sensitivity!)
An example of this was a new build hospital years ago....where they didn't consult the ITU nurses when building the ITU so the
specialist beds could not get through the doors INTO the ITU! So walls came down, delays in moving patients, costs soaring through the roof! That is ONE example! They also totally forgot to include a sluice area in two wards! Again - lack of appropriate consultation! Anyone familiar with working in hospitals will fully understand the implications of that! You know the NHS spends huge amounts on communication training ??? Waste of time when people don't have common sense!
I agree, there is money there but it the NHS is so top-heavy with 'management' it under functions.
Though personally I've had fantastic service
From my experience it's largely a myth that the NHS is saturated with "management". Unless of course people want clinical staff wasting their time undertaking the management and financial tasks which are inevitable and essential in multi billion pound organisations.
It isn't the numbers of staff in management posts. It's the QUALITY of the management and their decision making. "
Fair point. I do know a lot of decent NHS finance staff who've left the profession because of pay and conditions taking a nosedive, but there's a problem around retention of good professional staff in the public sector as a whole at the moment. |
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"It isn't the numbers of staff in management posts. It's the QUALITY of the management and their decision making.
You're right, and that's a problem in lots of organisations and companies."
It is but unfortunately this is public money going down the drain and affecting people's lives! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What truly drains the NHS is the pharmaceutical companies controlling the market with crazy prices, and the dreadful waste following ill thought through short term decisions by senior management and lack of consultation with those in the NHS who are delivering the service!!! So when they discover their plan doesn't work in practice (because they didn't ask the right people in the first place!), they have already wasted a few million. So they scrap it and spend MORE money trying to undo the mess and create a NEW plan! After 25 years in the NHS I have seen back room tactics at senior level that would make Donald Trump cry! (And he isn't known for his sensitivity!)
An example of this was a new build hospital years ago....where they didn't consult the ITU nurses when building the ITU so the
specialist beds could not get through the doors INTO the ITU! So walls came down, delays in moving patients, costs soaring through the roof! That is ONE example! They also totally forgot to include a sluice area in two wards! Again - lack of appropriate consultation! Anyone familiar with working in hospitals will fully understand the implications of that! You know the NHS spends huge amounts on communication training ??? Waste of time when people don't have common sense!
I agree, there is money there but it the NHS is so top-heavy with 'management' it under functions.
Though personally I've had fantastic service
From my experience it's largely a myth that the NHS is saturated with "management". Unless of course people want clinical staff wasting their time undertaking the management and financial tasks which are inevitable and essential in multi billion pound organisations. "
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/mar/30/nhs-management-costs-spending |
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"What truly drains the NHS is the pharmaceutical companies controlling the market with crazy prices, and the dreadful waste following ill thought through short term decisions by senior management and lack of consultation with those in the NHS who are delivering the service!!! So when they discover their plan doesn't work in practice (because they didn't ask the right people in the first place!), they have already wasted a few million. So they scrap it and spend MORE money trying to undo the mess and create a NEW plan! After 25 years in the NHS I have seen back room tactics at senior level that would make Donald Trump cry! (And he isn't known for his sensitivity!)
An example of this was a new build hospital years ago....where they didn't consult the ITU nurses when building the ITU so the
specialist beds could not get through the doors INTO the ITU! So walls came down, delays in moving patients, costs soaring through the roof! That is ONE example! They also totally forgot to include a sluice area in two wards! Again - lack of appropriate consultation! Anyone familiar with working in hospitals will fully understand the implications of that! You know the NHS spends huge amounts on communication training ??? Waste of time when people don't have common sense!
I agree, there is money there but it the NHS is so top-heavy with 'management' it under functions.
Though personally I've had fantastic service
From my experience it's largely a myth that the NHS is saturated with "management". Unless of course people want clinical staff wasting their time undertaking the management and financial tasks which are inevitable and essential in multi billion pound organisations.
It isn't the numbers of staff in management posts. It's the QUALITY of the management and their decision making.
Fair point. I do know a lot of decent NHS finance staff who've left the profession because of pay and conditions taking a nosedive, but there's a problem around retention of good professional staff in the public sector as a whole at the moment. "
Yes and it's not rocket science why people leave really. |
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By *arrasicMan
over a year ago
birmingham |
"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
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that sounds great but when i had had ear went to chemist thay seid have to go doctors get a prescription what for a earache supos some twat may drink it to kil themselves |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Our surgery has loads of posters about antibiotics not helping colds.
Bruises though - well it depends on the circumstance . Maybe they are a DV victim and reaching out? Doesn't leukaemia present with bruises as a symptom too? Not all as cut and dried as it first appears. |
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"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
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Smokers have payed in far more to the government coffers than anyone else, at the cost of there health. They should be first in line for NHS treatment. The duty on the fags pays for the £3k / month medication gluttons need after giving themselves type 2 diabetes so they should shut their fat mouths. Doing so would not only reduce the hypocrisy but also keep pies out |
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"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
Smokers have payed in far more to the government coffers than anyone else, at the cost of there health. They should be first in line for NHS treatment. The duty on the fags pays for the £3k / month medication gluttons need after giving themselves type 2 diabetes so they should shut their fat mouths. Doing so would not only reduce the hypocrisy but also keep pies out "
All type 2 diabetes is caused by gluttony ? Do your research better as a lot of it is age related. |
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"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
Smokers have payed in far more to the government coffers than anyone else, at the cost of there health. They should be first in line for NHS treatment. The duty on the fags pays for the £3k / month medication gluttons need after giving themselves type 2 diabetes so they should shut their fat mouths. Doing so would not only reduce the hypocrisy but also keep pies out
All type 2 diabetes is caused by gluttony ? Do your research better as a lot of it is age related. "
Did I say "all" ? No. Do your research (READ before replying in error. |
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"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
Smokers have payed in far more to the government coffers than anyone else, at the cost of there health. They should be first in line for NHS treatment. The duty on the fags pays for the £3k / month medication gluttons need after giving themselves type 2 diabetes so they should shut their fat mouths. Doing so would not only reduce the hypocrisy but also keep pies out
All type 2 diabetes is caused by gluttony ? Do your research better as a lot of it is age related.
Did I say "all" ? No. Do your research (READ before replying in error."
Another hidden profile who knows best. |
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"Wait till your country deports all non-english gp's and come back to cry about the issue "
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"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
Smokers have payed in far more to the government coffers than anyone else, at the cost of there health. They should be first in line for NHS treatment. The duty on the fags pays for the £3k / month medication gluttons need after giving themselves type 2 diabetes so they should shut their fat mouths. Doing so would not only reduce the hypocrisy but also keep pies out "
You are so wrong it is almost funny. Smokers die early at a great cost to the tax payers. a pack of fags needs to cost many times more than they do now to cover the associated cost of the extra health care needed |
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"Current news....people going to doctors with colds, bruises etc..... RIDICULOUS,!
Stop being wimps....the doc can't give you anything for a cold or a cough. It's viral! (Different if cough is persistent...could be other causes). Don't demand anti-biopics as they do nothing for colds etc. and you probably won't finish the course so the whole world of bugs become immune!
Draining the NHS of billions a year. Loading up future problems for real drug treatments for real illnesses. Get a grip you pussies!
And breathe....rant over and I know it may not apply equally to the good folk of fab forums....but it gets my goat (as my daughter is a junior Dec and wants to be a GP) ......it does need sorting don't you think?"
you're right..... I didn't see a doc when i thought i only had a cough and a cold....
the problem is it turned out to be pneumonia which also morphed into fluid in my lungs....
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Having worked for the NHS for years, I have mixed views re a small charge to see your GP, I think it would have some benefits but once brought in, it questions the very foundations of the NHS being 'free at the point of entry!'
PS...as I always insist on socials first, I am not free at the point of entry  |
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All type 2 diabetes is caused by gluttony ? Do your research better as a lot of it is age related.
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While I have no intention whatsoever to try to defend the outrageous statement to which you are responding, the following are the top two risk factors, taken from the Diabetes UK website:
"You’re overweight or have a high Body Mass Index (BMI). Check your BMI on the NHS choices website."
"You have a large waist (more than 80cm/31.5 inches in women, 94 cm/37 inches in men or 90cm/35 inches in South Asian men)."
The link with age is less severe, and is thought to be linked to increasing weight and decreasing mobility as we age.
Without wishing to hark back to Socialism, there is an element of self-help in reducing ones risk factors required if we are to help the NHS cope.
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"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
Smokers have payed in far more to the government coffers than anyone else, at the cost of there health. They should be first in line for NHS treatment. The duty on the fags pays for the £3k / month medication gluttons need after giving themselves type 2 diabetes so they should shut their fat mouths. Doing so would not only reduce the hypocrisy but also keep pies out
You are so wrong it is almost funny. Smokers die early at a great cost to the tax payers. a pack of fags needs to cost many times more than they do now to cover the associated cost of the extra health care needed"
That's a complete inversion of the truth. You know this, I know this, and that's why you can't show any evidence of it. You should be ashamed of yourself. |
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"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
Smokers have payed in far more to the government coffers than anyone else, at the cost of there health. They should be first in line for NHS treatment. The duty on the fags pays for the £3k / month medication gluttons need after giving themselves type 2 diabetes so they should shut their fat mouths. Doing so would not only reduce the hypocrisy but also keep pies out
All type 2 diabetes is caused by gluttony ? Do your research better as a lot of it is age related.
Did I say "all" ? No. Do your research (READ before replying in error.
Another hidden profile who knows best. "
Thanks for the acknowledgement |
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"You say that but other day I needed a doctor appointment for my 5 year old who came down with a skin infection that spreads like wildfire... I diagnoised it and if they have chemists more power I could have got meds from there...
On other hand they wanted to book a pointless review in that wasnt needed and a complete waste of time..... why!!!"
I don't get that one either. I see my doc every three months approx n he even phones me n bollocks me if I skip makin my app so why does the dam phamasist wanna do a review of my meds. xxx |
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"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
Smokers have payed in far more to the government coffers than anyone else, at the cost of there health. They should be first in line for NHS treatment. The duty on the fags pays for the £3k / month medication gluttons need after giving themselves type 2 diabetes so they should shut their fat mouths. Doing so would not only reduce the hypocrisy but also keep pies out "
Ok cheers for that dude I'll tell my dad that one. My dad who has never been excessively over weight but has had to take steroids all his life which then went on to damage his heart causing him to have an op earlier this year. |
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All type 2 diabetes is caused by gluttony ? Do your research better as a lot of it is age related.
While I have no intention whatsoever to try to defend the outrageous statement to which you are responding, the following are the top two risk factors, taken from the Diabetes UK website:
"You’re overweight or have a high Body Mass Index (BMI). Check your BMI on the NHS choices website."
"You have a large waist (more than 80cm/31.5 inches in women, 94 cm/37 inches in men or 90cm/35 inches in South Asian men)."
The link with age is less severe, and is thought to be linked to increasing weight and decreasing mobility as we age.
Without wishing to hark back to Socialism, there is an element of self-help in reducing ones risk factors required if we are to help the NHS cope.
Mr ddc "
Do you agree that certain pre existing conditions put you more at risk? Gestational diabetes for one?
So whilst I agree that weight contributes, I think throwing the term gluttony in, is deliberately offensive.
It's where you draw the line, alcohol related illness costs the NHS loads and all the unneeded 999 calls to people pissed on a night out. So there are lots of drains on resources, not just one.
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"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
Smokers have payed in far more to the government coffers than anyone else, at the cost of there health. They should be first in line for NHS treatment. The duty on the fags pays for the £3k / month medication gluttons need after giving themselves type 2 diabetes so they should shut their fat mouths. Doing so would not only reduce the hypocrisy but also keep pies out "
Ok I'm fat and have type 2 diabetes so i must be costing the NHS 3k a month, right?
Well for your information i visit the doctors once a year for my diabetes health check which involves a blood test and the nurse checking the health/circulation in my feet. I don't take any medication at all for diabetes or any related conditions and have never been to the hospital to see a consultant for it. Exactly how does this cost 3k per month?
I don't even take up the offer of a free flu jab which i am entitled to do having diabetes. |
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All type 2 diabetes is caused by gluttony ? Do your research better as a lot of it is age related.
While I have no intention whatsoever to try to defend the outrageous statement to which you are responding, the following are the top two risk factors, taken from the Diabetes UK website:
"You’re overweight or have a high Body Mass Index (BMI). Check your BMI on the NHS choices website."
"You have a large waist (more than 80cm/31.5 inches in women, 94 cm/37 inches in men or 90cm/35 inches in South Asian men)."
The link with age is less severe, and is thought to be linked to increasing weight and decreasing mobility as we age.
Without wishing to hark back to Socialism, there is an element of self-help in reducing ones risk factors required if we are to help the NHS cope.
Mr ddc
Do you agree that certain pre existing conditions put you more at risk? Gestational diabetes for one?
So whilst I agree that weight contributes, I think throwing the term gluttony in, is deliberately offensive.
It's where you draw the line, alcohol related illness costs the NHS loads and all the unneeded 999 calls to people pissed on a night out. So there are lots of drains on resources, not just one.
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We are talking in general terms, so there will naturally be exceptions. And I have already said that I didn't like his general tone. It simply makes sensible discussion less possible.
But surely you can't deny that we all must help the NHS by playing our part and reducing our risk factors, whether that be eating more healthily, reducing alcohol consumption or simply looking before we cross the road?
Tbf he is right about smoking though, they are net contributors to the exchequer. |
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"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
Smokers have payed in far more to the government coffers than anyone else, at the cost of there health. They should be first in line for NHS treatment. The duty on the fags pays for the £3k / month medication gluttons need after giving themselves type 2 diabetes so they should shut their fat mouths. Doing so would not only reduce the hypocrisy but also keep pies out
Ok cheers for that dude I'll tell my dad that one. My dad who has never been excessively over weight but has had to take steroids all his life which then went on to damage his heart causing him to have an op earlier this year. "
Why? If his lifestyle didn't contribute to a type 2 diabetes diagnosis, I fail to see the relevance to him... but whatever |
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We are talking in general terms, so there will naturally be exceptions. And I have already said that I didn't like his general tone. It simply makes sensible discussion less possible.
But surely you can't deny that we all must help the NHS by playing our part and reducing our risk factors, whether that be eating more healthily, reducing alcohol consumption or simply looking before we cross the road?
Tbf he is right about smoking though, they are net contributors to the exchequer."
Yes I agree, but I'm glad we still have ethics committees to look at what is seen as a priority.
As the poster above has so rightly put, her diabetes isn't costing £3k per month. The whole ethos of the NHS is healthcare for all. If we start demonising certain sections of society , it's a slippery slope. |
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"The whole ethos of the NHS is healthcare for all. If we start demonising certain sections of society , it's a slippery slope. "
While I can sense the emotion in that paragraph, I'm not sure I see the logic.
How can "we have a duty to minimise our risks by eating healthily" be 'demonising' or a 'slippery slope' to anywhere other than a healthier nation? |
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"The whole ethos of the NHS is healthcare for all. If we start demonising certain sections of society , it's a slippery slope.
While I can sense the emotion in that paragraph, I'm not sure I see the logic.
How can "we have a duty to minimise our risks by eating healthily" be 'demonising' or a 'slippery slope' to anywhere other than a healthier nation?"
See the pizza comment in the orgy thread. Some people, eh? |
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It's always put down to the "fatties". I see it all the time. Plus sized models get slammed by fake people who just "care" People have shouted things at me like "salad dodger" and so many people seem to act like it's their business. These people wouldn't go up to someone smoking and remind them why they should quit or go up to some bloke who's off his face on drugs and tell him to think about his life choices.
These people are also known as bullies. |
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"The whole ethos of the NHS is healthcare for all. If we start demonising certain sections of society , it's a slippery slope.
While I can sense the emotion in that paragraph, I'm not sure I see the logic.
How can "we have a duty to minimise our risks by eating healthily" be 'demonising' or a 'slippery slope' to anywhere other than a healthier nation?"
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See the pizza comment in the orgy thread. Some people, eh? "
I'm sure 8" shared between a group of people during an energetic bout of strenuous exercise would be within acceptable bounds.
Assuming everyone was wearing suitable protection*, natch.
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Treating Type 2 diabetes costs the NHS £8.8 billion a year currently. The government collets zero from those with the condition.
Treating smokers costs the NHS £2.7 billion. The government collects £12 billion in tobacco duty.
Smoking is branded a "disgusting habit"
Over eating and not exercising isn't.
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"Current news....people going to doctors with colds, bruises etc..... RIDICULOUS,!
Stop being wimps....the doc can't give you anything for a cold or a cough. It's viral! (Different if cough is persistent...could be other causes). Don't demand anti-biopics as they do nothing for colds etc. and you probably won't finish the course so the whole world of bugs become immune!
Draining the NHS of billions a year. Loading up future problems for real drug treatments for real illnesses. Get a grip you pussies!
And breathe....rant over and I know it may not apply equally to the good folk of fab forums....but it gets my goat (as my daughter is a junior Dec and wants to be a GP) ......it does need sorting don't you think?"
An interesting post and my thoughts exactly .
Would charging people to visit the Doctor resolve the issue ?. Or would those who would be exempt from charges still abuse the system.
You can be proud of your daughter for having achieved the necessary qualifications to be a junior Doctor . A demanding course and a lot of hard work. |
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"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
Smokers have payed in far more to the government coffers than anyone else, at the cost of there health. They should be first in line for NHS treatment. The duty on the fags pays for the £3k / month medication gluttons need after giving themselves type 2 diabetes so they should shut their fat mouths. Doing so would not only reduce the hypocrisy but also keep pies out
All type 2 diabetes is caused by gluttony ? Do your research better as a lot of it is age related. "
My father had it but only in his 80s. He was paranoid about healthy eating and was always active. I am unsure what caused it in his case . |
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"You know what really gets my fucking goat.
When you have a condition you can't help, you have to have creams and medication to treat it and you are expected to pay. Costs a fortune.
Then...yeah, you get those. The ones who go for calpol, gaviscon and other shit that you can buy in a chemist.
And the bloody meth crew.
Stop smoking help through the doctor
Go to the chemist!!!
Smokers have payed in far more to the government coffers than anyone else, at the cost of there health. They should be first in line for NHS treatment. The duty on the fags pays for the £3k / month medication gluttons need after giving themselves type 2 diabetes so they should shut their fat mouths. Doing so would not only reduce the hypocrisy but also keep pies out
All type 2 diabetes is caused by gluttony ? Do your research better as a lot of it is age related. My father had it but only in his 80s. He was paranoid about healthy eating and was always active. I am unsure what caused it in his case . "
Your father is a rare case. 95% of type 2 in the US is caused by lifestyle choices. There's no reason to suspect this wouldn't be the case in the UK.
http://www.m.webmd.com/diabetes/type-2-diabetes-guide/diabetes-causes |
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