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Horizon now BBC4...Are you good or Evil?
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"Missed it too but I am guessing evil..."
Nah....I missed the beginning but what I saw was very interesting, basically observing the inability to empathise and violent behaviour in people and going on to find genetic markers and brain dysfunction in psychopaths. Ya know, light bedtime reading kinda stuff.... 
One interesting point was the need to NOT train elite soldiers like marines to de-humanise their targets, that makes for real psych problems after the conflict is over, but they are discovering that training them with the attitude of 'protector in extremis' does not.
I must check out the start of it on iplayer when it arrives, I wish BBC had a +1 service! |
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"bbc catch up isn't free now either is it? i wouldn't have minded watching this as there's loads of new info about the amygalda lately."
Yes, lots of legal implications to the lessening of free choice because of 'genetic predisposition' to criminal/violent behaviour. |
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They really dumbed down Horizon over the years. I watched one from the 90s the other week about Andrew Wiles, I think his name was and it was much better. |
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"bbc catch up isn't free now either is it? i wouldn't have minded watching this as there's loads of new info about the amygalda lately.
Yes, lots of legal implications to the lessening of free choice because of 'genetic predisposition' to criminal/violent behaviour."
ooh now i want to watch it even more...stupid bbc and the licensing fee.
is it still thought to be epigenetic? |
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"bbc catch up isn't free now either is it? i wouldn't have minded watching this as there's loads of new info about the amygalda lately.
Yes, lots of legal implications to the lessening of free choice because of 'genetic predisposition' to criminal/violent behaviour.
ooh now i want to watch it even more...stupid bbc and the licensing fee.
is it still thought to be epigenetic?"
Yes, but subject to environment/nurture of course. The scientist investigating it found he had all the genetic markers and brain function of a serial killer lol! |
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"bbc catch up isn't free now either is it? i wouldn't have minded watching this as there's loads of new info about the amygalda lately.
Yes, lots of legal implications to the lessening of free choice because of 'genetic predisposition' to criminal/violent behaviour.
ooh now i want to watch it even more...stupid bbc and the licensing fee.
is it still thought to be epigenetic?
Yes, but subject to environment/nurture of course. The scientist investigating it found he had all the genetic markers and brain function of a serial killer lol!"
this is awesome. we could make a case for a more humane society based off this, if it's true. looks like they're already doing that with the soldier example you mentioned before.  |
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"Babies have demonstrated innate morality in new research, which is what I have always said.  "
The other question that stems from that is 'where does it come from'
I wish morality existed but l can't see how. |
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"Babies have demonstrated innate morality in new research, which is what I have always said.
The other question that stems from that is 'where does it come from'
I wish morality existed but l can't see how."
Well, in my opinion it is a spiritual function, but one of the experiments in the prog look at chemical mediators such as hormones like oxytocin and testosterone. Oxytocin promotes empathy and connectivity, and testosterone the opposite - though sometimes they work in concert - such as in a team sport like rugby. |
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"Babies have demonstrated innate morality in new research, which is what I have always said.
The other question that stems from that is 'where does it come from'
I wish morality existed but l can't see how.
Well, in my opinion it is a spiritual function, but one of the experiments in the prog look at chemical mediators such as hormones like oxytocin and testosterone. Oxytocin promotes empathy and connectivity, and testosterone the opposite - though sometimes they work in concert - such as in a team sport like rugby. "
i have high testosterone but am also highly empathetic, as usual i am the opposite of the rules.
my empathy comes from being abused and having to notice my abusers emotions to keep me safe. but i also freeze if someone is aggressive or angry, a symptom of PTSD for me.
if i was predisposed to violence though maybe i would have used different means to protect myself from an abuser.
oxytocin is released during every emotion you have by the way, it isn't really the 'cuddle hormone' as it was promoted a while back. it's been a few years since i was into the science side of psychology though. |
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"Babies have demonstrated innate morality in new research, which is what I have always said.
The other question that stems from that is 'where does it come from'
I wish morality existed but l can't see how.
Well, in my opinion it is a spiritual function, but one of the experiments in the prog look at chemical mediators such as hormones like oxytocin and testosterone. Oxytocin promotes empathy and connectivity, and testosterone the opposite - though sometimes they work in concert - such as in a team sport like rugby.
i have high testosterone but am also highly empathetic, as usual i am the opposite of the rules.
my empathy comes from being abused and having to notice my abusers emotions to keep me safe. "
Interesting - but does that make you actually empathetic or 'trained to tune in and interpret the feelings of others as a survival mechanism'?
After all the psychopath or narc observes and interprets others emotional states very accurately, that's why he is such a good manipulator, but he doesn't actually feel what they feel.
I am selectively empathetic - but if I am close to someone (or an animal such as a troubled horse) I have an inability to disconnect from their feelings, they impact on me very strongly and sometimes prevent my own peace. |
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"Babies have demonstrated innate morality in new research, which is what I have always said.
The other question that stems from that is 'where does it come from'
I wish morality existed but l can't see how.
Well, in my opinion it is a spiritual function, but one of the experiments in the prog look at chemical mediators such as hormones like oxytocin and testosterone. Oxytocin promotes empathy and connectivity, and testosterone the opposite - though sometimes they work in concert - such as in a team sport like rugby.
i have high testosterone but am also highly empathetic, as usual i am the opposite of the rules.
my empathy comes from being abused and having to notice my abusers emotions to keep me safe.
Interesting - but does that make you actually empathetic or 'trained to tune in and interpret the feelings of others as a survival mechanism'?
After all the psychopath or narc observes and interprets others emotional states very accurately, that's why he is such a good manipulator, but he doesn't actually feel what they feel.
I am selectively empathetic - but if I am close to someone (or an animal such as a troubled horse) I have an inability to disconnect from their feelings, they impact on me very strongly and sometimes prevent my own peace. "
well i was mainly concerned about my own safety at the time (and of my siblings), which makes me selfish, but once i was out of that environment and felt safe i did care that other people never felt sad or unsafe like i was. which i think made me empathetic. and i wasn't groomed into being a people pleaser either, i rebelled eventually.
it took me about years to become selective though, once i realised some people enjoy the drama they cause by making their own problems and enjoy having pity parties and play off empathetic people to get what they want, i found them draining.
thanks to psychopathy and learning about that i have realised i'm not psychic and although i might think i feel the same emotions as someone then this might not actually be true. so i'm not sure about being truly empathetic after all. i know i have all the traits of an empath and it's why my life has been the way it has been. |
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"Yes and of course some people who do not have reasons to be selective become very generally altruistic because of their empathy, I was never one of those, or a people pleaser per se. "
being previously involved with a psychopath has also switched it off to a degree as well. again to protect myself. |
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"Yes and of course some people who do not have reasons to be selective become very generally altruistic because of their empathy, I was never one of those, or a people pleaser per se.
being previously involved with a psychopath has also switched it off to a degree as well. again to protect myself."
Yes, my selectivity was a defence mechanism in origin. But it must be a question of character too I reckon - I do not have what it takes to become a humanitarian, I don't have that kind of empathy. |
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"Yes and of course some people who do not have reasons to be selective become very generally altruistic because of their empathy, I was never one of those, or a people pleaser per se.
being previously involved with a psychopath has also switched it off to a degree as well. again to protect myself.
Yes, my selectivity was a defence mechanism in origin. But it must be a question of character too I reckon - I do not have what it takes to become a humanitarian, I don't have that kind of empathy. "
i do think being abused (therefore having my rights taken away) is what made me get into peoples/animal/planet rights and fight for them. i even support violence for these causes when peaceful protest does nothing.
i'm sure you're humanitarian to some degree though and support that all people have rights? |
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"Yes and of course some people who do not have reasons to be selective become very generally altruistic because of their empathy, I was never one of those, or a people pleaser per se.
being previously involved with a psychopath has also switched it off to a degree as well. again to protect myself.
Yes, my selectivity was a defence mechanism in origin. But it must be a question of character too I reckon - I do not have what it takes to become a humanitarian, I don't have that kind of empathy.
i do think being abused (therefore having my rights taken away) is what made me get into peoples/animal/planet rights and fight for them. i even support violence for these causes when peaceful protest does nothing.
i'm sure you're humanitarian to some degree though and support that all people have rights?"
Oh sure, I am moved, but I find animal suffering unbearable. |
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"Yes and of course some people who do not have reasons to be selective become very generally altruistic because of their empathy, I was never one of those, or a people pleaser per se.
being previously involved with a psychopath has also switched it off to a degree as well. again to protect myself.
Yes, my selectivity was a defence mechanism in origin. But it must be a question of character too I reckon - I do not have what it takes to become a humanitarian, I don't have that kind of empathy.
i do think being abused (therefore having my rights taken away) is what made me get into peoples/animal/planet rights and fight for them. i even support violence for these causes when peaceful protest does nothing.
i'm sure you're humanitarian to some degree though and support that all people have rights?
Oh sure, I am moved, but I find animal suffering unbearable. "
most people do, same with kids.
i think it's because they're vulnerable and we tend to take it as they can't look after themselves, which they kind of can't now we've changed the odds when it comes to human survival and animals. |
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"Are you good or evil?"
What kind of pointless, dumbass question is that anyway?
As if concepts so utterly juxtaposed and even nebulous - philosophers have been arguing about the nature of good and evil for thousands of years - can be gauged by an hour-long TV show made for entertainment.
I shan't be watching.
Sounds like fatuous nonsense.
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""Are you good or evil?"
What kind of pointless, dumbass question is that anyway?
As if concepts so utterly juxtaposed and even nebulous - philosophers have been arguing about the nature of good and evil for thousands of years - can be gauged by an hour-long TV show made for entertainment.
I shan't be watching.
Sounds like fatuous nonsense.
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It wasn't at all - just had a fatuous title!  |
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