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" If being poor or war torn was am excuse to stop procreating we'd have never have survived as a species. " This  | |||
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"I'm no expert either It just feels wrong If I couldn't give my kids any kind of life I would have remained child free I think it's cruel " Agree with you , but all war torn and poverty stricken countries have always had this . Is it ignorance ? Who knows ... but it really makes no sense at all .  | |||
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" If being poor or war torn was am excuse to stop procreating we'd have never have survived as a species. " this.. OP maybe the instinct in most human's is to try and think of a future beyond any current difficulties.. | |||
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"I'm no expert either It just feels wrong If I couldn't give my kids any kind of life I would have remained child free I think it's cruel " So in countries like these, many women suffer abuse and rape from the men. So how would you plan on aborting a child that was conceived through rape? Not all countries have the luxuries we do. | |||
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"Basic Primeval genetic code that all life on earth has..... Reproduce" This and the fact that children are not expected to survive so you have more than 1 in the hope thats one of them will reach yhe the age of 21. Maybe those children will grow up to become the next generation of politicians and stop the horror that is happening. | |||
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"Something I don't quite get. If you were under threat in your own country. Had no quality of life and live in poverty and disease Why on earth would you wish to give birth and bring that same misery to your children. " By this reckoning you wouldn't exist. Be thankful your ancestors thought differently. | |||
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"I'm no expert either It just feels wrong If I couldn't give my kids any kind of life I would have remained child free I think it's cruel " | |||
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"Something I don't quite get. If you were under threat in your own country. Had no quality of life and live in poverty and disease Why on earth would you wish to give birth and bring that same misery to your children. By this reckoning you wouldn't exist. Be thankful your ancestors thought differently." To be fair My parents were not living in a street of rubble With rapists and terrorists wanting to kill everyone | |||
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"Something I don't quite get. If you were under threat in your own country. Had no quality of life and live in poverty and disease Why on earth would you wish to give birth and bring that same misery to your children. By this reckoning you wouldn't exist. Be thankful your ancestors thought differently. To be fair My parents were not living in a street of rubble With rapists and terrorists wanting to kill everyone " It's highly likely some of your ancestors were at some point in history. | |||
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"Something I don't quite get. If you were under threat in your own country. Had no quality of life and live in poverty and disease Why on earth would you wish to give birth and bring that same misery to your children. By this reckoning you wouldn't exist. Be thankful your ancestors thought differently. To be fair My parents were not living in a street of rubble With rapists and terrorists wanting to kill everyone " I think they were probably talking a few generations back.... As I said. HOPE. It's what drives people. That and necessity... why do people in the UK with no jobs, no discernable income have children? Why does anyone have children? Eventually the sun will die and all life on earth cease.. are the values you place on life greater or lesser than someone in a different situation? Sometimes you have to hope.... in fact not just sometimes, because oftimes that's all people have... hope that one day they will wake up in a country where people from strange lands value them more than "acceptable loss" | |||
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"Something I don't quite get. If you were under threat in your own country. Had no quality of life and live in poverty and disease Why on earth would you wish to give birth and bring that same misery to your children. " Syria wasn't always like that, it had vibrant cities full of bars and restaurants and hotels with swimming pools. Look at Syria before and after photos. It wasn't like they were all in the desert or living in mud huts. They lived in normal houses, they even had halal McDonalds there and fast food chain restaurants that we have. Also now there's probably no law there, people could be getting raped, can't get abortions. | |||
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" If being poor or war torn was am excuse to stop procreating we'd have never have survived as a species. " | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child?" How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home?" But then Donald Trump has permission to breed but not me.  | |||
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"Something I don't quite get. If you were under threat in your own country. Had no quality of life and live in poverty and disease Why on earth would you wish to give birth and bring that same misery to your children. By this reckoning you wouldn't exist. Be thankful your ancestors thought differently. To be fair My parents were not living in a street of rubble With rapists and terrorists wanting to kill everyone " Good point. | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home?" How about that's a really stupid suggestion. | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home?" outright purchase or mortgage? | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion." To you maybe. | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe." To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence. | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe. To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence." Well maybe just think about it. | |||
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" Why on earth would you wish to give birth and bring that same misery to your children. " I don't know why anyone would bring kids into this world in general. ((I'm 98.9% sure I was a mistake)) | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe. To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence. Well maybe just think about it." I did 
You're judging people of a certain level of wealth to be suitable to have a child on the basis of only their wealth. Something that should be a long way down the list of criteria for assessing a good parent. | |||
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" You're judging people of a certain level of wealth to be suitable to have a child on the basis of only their wealth. Something that should be a long way down the list of criteria for assessing a good parent." ^^ .... 
That's not the point he's making.
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" You're judging people of a certain level of wealth to be suitable to have a child on the basis of only their wealth. Something that should be a long way down the list of criteria for assessing a good parent. ^^ ....
That's not the point he's making.
"Read the discussion - it was a response to a 'she', not a he for starters! | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? But then Donald Trump has permission to breed but not me. "Is he the only person who can afford to buy his own home then. | |||
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" You're judging people of a certain level of wealth to be suitable to have a child on the basis of only their wealth. Something that should be a long way down the list of criteria for assessing a good parent. ^^ ....
That's not the point he's making.
Read the discussion - it was a response to a 'she', not a he for starters!"...
...I didn't realise you were replying to THAT user.
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" You're judging people of a certain level of wealth to be suitable to have a child on the basis of only their wealth. Something that should be a long way down the list of criteria for assessing a good parent. ^^ ....
That's not the point he's making.
Read the discussion - it was a response to a 'she', not a he for starters!
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...I didn't realise you were replying to THAT user.
You didn't quote her in your original response, I thought it was to the OP. "Strange because unless you're reading something different to me... it's all quoted in the post above  | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? But then Donald Trump has permission to breed but not me.
Is he the only person who can afford to buy his own home then. "No, but it's exactly as i said. He has the right to breed and i do not. Just he has the right to breed over anyone else is bad enough on it's own though. | |||
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" Strange because unless you're reading something different to me... it's all quoted in the post above "[leans forward and whispers into your ear] ...you need to scroll up the thread. | |||
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"Why do most think Syria is a third world country.. Their standard of living and welfare is comparable to that of the UK. Like a lot of the middle east, a change is afoot, the people want rid of the corrupt dictatorial leadership that has ruled them for years. Assad wasn't the worst of a bad bunch, however his true colours have now shone through.. Unfortunately for the Syrian whilst the people struggled to oust the political leader which escalated to a civil war (wonderful oxymoron, or would be if it wasn't so sad) Is took advantage and took power in areas.. Those people were now stuck between a rock and a hard place.. Being bombed by their own countries army and having to fight a second battle against a fundamentalist group behind them. Assad took full advantage and along with the Russians. Pounded the syrians, destroying the city's and decimating the population. And even though this carnage, people try to maintain a life, retain just a little dignity.. We in the west just sit back and allow it because of the political shit storm that is brewing with Russia. And then to question whether or not people there should be bringing children into the world.. It just shows a lack of compassion. Wars are horrible places and as a squaddie I, like many others have, saw the worst of humanity, but through that suffering and horror the best of humanity would always shine through." | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion." Johnathon Ross said the same thing and got a lot of stick for it, but i think he did have a point. | |||
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" Strange because unless you're reading something different to me... it's all quoted in the post above
[leans forward and whispers into your ear]
...you need to scroll up the read. "[leans forward and whispers into your ear] ...then scroll up and reread it because it was all clearly quoted and in context until you dived in and took it out
Added to which the point still stands. It's a shit suggestion. | |||
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" You're judging people of a certain level of wealth to be suitable to have a child on the basis of only their wealth. Something that should be a long way down the list of criteria for assessing a good parent. ^^ ....
That's not the point he's making.
Read the discussion - it was a response to a 'she', not a he for starters!"I really wouldn't waste your time trying to convince some people, who often apear lacking in anything approaching human decency  | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. Johnathon Ross said the same thing and got a lot of stick for it, but i think he did have a point." Jonathon Ross suggested only wealthy people should have children? | |||
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"Why do most think Syria is a third world country.. Their standard of living and welfare is comparable to that of the UK. Like a lot of the middle east, a change is afoot, the people want rid of the corrupt dictatorial leadership that has ruled them for years. Assad wasn't the worst of a bad bunch, however his true colours have now shone through.. Unfortunately for the Syrian whilst the people struggled to oust the political leader which escalated to a civil war (wonderful oxymoron, or would be if it wasn't so sad) Is took advantage and took power in areas.. Those people were now stuck between a rock and a hard place.. Being bombed by their own countries army and having to fight a second battle against a fundamentalist group behind them. Assad took full advantage and along with the Russians. Pounded the syrians, destroying the city's and decimating the population. And even though this carnage, people try to maintain a life, retain just a little dignity.. We in the west just sit back and allow it because of the political shit storm that is brewing with Russia. And then to question whether or not people there should be bringing children into the world.. It just shows a lack of compassion. Wars are horrible places and as a squaddie I, like many others have, saw the worst of humanity, but through that suffering and horror the best of humanity would always shine through." Nice post | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. Johnathon Ross said the same thing and got a lot of stick for it, but i think he did have a point. Jonathon Ross suggested only wealthy people should have children?" Well yes it seems so. | |||
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" Johnathon Ross said the same thing and got a lot of stick for it, but i think he did have a point." Johnathan Ross is a fucking moron then. | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. Johnathon Ross said the same thing and got a lot of stick for it, but i think he did have a point. Jonathon Ross suggested only wealthy people should have children? Well yes it seems so." When & where? I can't find anything on it. | |||
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" Johnathon Ross said the same thing and got a lot of stick for it, but i think he did have a point. Johnathan Ross is a fucking moron then." He probably is. In some ways. | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. Johnathon Ross said the same thing and got a lot of stick for it, but i think he did have a point. Jonathon Ross suggested only wealthy people should have children? Well yes it seems so." Hmmm, the son of a lorry driver and an extra, with five siblings, who went to a comp not far from the one I went to. I wonder what they're property owning status was? Most of us lived in council accommodation until Right to Buy helped our parents. | |||
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"I'm no expert either It just feels wrong If I couldn't give my kids any kind of life I would have remained child free I think it's cruel " Just a question then if you lost means to support your children I.e job , home , partner so on what would you do ? No one plans there family lives around cival war . Children are children ..what ever the continent and we are all human beings | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion." How about a polite chat And not calling anyone stupid  | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. How about a polite chat And not calling anyone stupid "I said it was a stupid suggestion, not a stupid person. It is a stupid suggestion. How's that for a polite chat? | |||
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"The 2nd world war ran from 1939-1945 (give or take a minor argument about it not actually being over due to the Russian/Japanese "thing"..) .... yet all over Europe children were being born in this time; despite (or perhaps because of) nightly air raids; cities being invaded; a large percentage of the male population never knowing whether they would come home; many of our grandparents or great grandparents were having children at this time..... You know that the outcome of that war was not a forgone conclusion? and yet here we all are, despite of or because of that war... I mean not all sex is swinging; some sexual activities are affirmation of a bond; particularly when bonds are being broken down, the need or desire to be close to a loved one when the end could be nigh can drive people to make love....... In some countries the act of having many children is insurance; one that can guarantee that there will be family members to help with the harvest, collect water; earn wealth for the family unit.... not all children are expected to live; this doesn't make them expendable in their parents eyes; but there is a heavy-hearted acknowledgement that some of their children will die due to disease or pestilence or civil unrest.... to build better countries there has to be a "next generation"; and surely one that is conceived in the hope of that better future is the very personification of the human spirit. I have worked in most of the war torn countries of this world; and like the articulate military man above have seen the worst that humanity can deliver; but I have also similarly seen the best.... and that best has always been born in hope. To deny a people the right to have children, regardless of circumstance is to deny them hope.... and this would be the worst war crime of all..... "  | |||
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"Also worth considering that the more prosperous the country, the lower the birth rate. For pretty obvious reasons." . What's the obvious reason, every report I've ever read points only to industrialisation lowering birth rates but no evidence as to why it does | |||
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"I have also similarly seen the best.... and that best has always been born in hope. To deny a people the right to have children, regardless of circumstance is to deny them hope.... and this would be the worst war crime of all..... "
...and some of the happiest and most content children - with incredible parents. The kind of parents that would sacrifice all to get their child to Europe in the hope of a better (or any) life. | |||
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"Also worth considering that the more prosperous the country, the lower the birth rate. For pretty obvious reasons.. What's the obvious reason, every report I've ever read points only to industrialisation lowering birth rates but no evidence as to why it does" Reasons. Putting a side education and culture the most obvious reason is healthcare (as was already mentioned by somebody else above). Hans Rosling is your man for this stuff. | |||
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"Also worth considering that the more prosperous the country, the lower the birth rate. For pretty obvious reasons.. What's the obvious reason, every report I've ever read points only to industrialisation lowering birth rates but no evidence as to why it does" Children become more of a luxury item. More is invested in them living, schooling, delayed start to independent economic activity which in turn leads to them delaying when they become reproductively active. Children move from being your economic future and security to you being theirs. | |||
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"Something I don't quite get. If you were under threat in your own country. Had no quality of life and live in poverty and disease Why on earth would you wish to give birth and bring that same misery to your children. " I know what you mean and on paper it would be the right thing to to but people on the whole have an instinct to breed (why we're all on fab..sex feels good..because it encourages breeding) and no animal i know of (though there will be one..nature is just weird at times) just decides that things are a bit rough and stops breeding and let's it's self die out. | |||
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". Children move from being your economic future and security to you being theirs. " . That's very interesting?.... | |||
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"Something I don't quite get. If you were under threat in your own country. Had no quality of life and live in poverty and disease Why on earth would you wish to give birth and bring that same misery to your children. " Because there's nothing on the telly? | |||
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"they breed so when they get to the uk they get a bigger house and more bennies...who is stupid us or them ????" No, I think you mean those who are here do this .... not immigrants | |||
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" If being poor or war torn was am excuse to stop procreating we'd have never have survived as a species. " | |||
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"they breed so when they get to the uk they get a bigger house and more bennies...who is stupid us or them ????" Just when I thought the stupid suggestions had finished | |||
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"The 2nd world war ran from 1939-1945 (give or take a minor argument about it not actually being over due to the Russian/Japanese "thing"..) .... yet all over Europe children were being born in this time; despite (or perhaps because of) nightly air raids; cities being invaded; a large percentage of the male population never knowing whether they would come home; many of our grandparents or great grandparents were having children at this time..... You know that the outcome of that war was not a forgone conclusion? and yet here we all are, despite of or because of that war... I mean not all sex is swinging; some sexual activities are affirmation of a bond; particularly when bonds are being broken down, the need or desire to be close to a loved one when the end could be nigh can drive people to make love....... In some countries the act of having many children is insurance; one that can guarantee that there will be family members to help with the harvest, collect water; earn wealth for the family unit.... not all children are expected to live; this doesn't make them expendable in their parents eyes; but there is a heavy-hearted acknowledgement that some of their children will die due to disease or pestilence or civil unrest.... to build better countries there has to be a "next generation"; and surely one that is conceived in the hope of that better future is the very personification of the human spirit. I have worked in most of the war torn countries of this world; and like the articulate military man above have seen the worst that humanity can deliver; but I have also similarly seen the best.... and that best has always been born in hope. To deny a people the right to have children, regardless of circumstance is to deny them hope.... and this would be the worst war crime of all..... " Well said. xxx | |||
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"Children move from being your economic future and security to you being theirs. " Definitely an issue of this era | |||
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"they breed so when they get to the uk they get a bigger house and more bennies...who is stupid us or them ???? No, I think you mean those who are here do this .... not immigrants " . According to the ons 22% of births are to women born outside of the UK?. I think that shows immigrants are quite capable of doing what non immigrants do..... Have kids for money!......I wasn't convinced myself but then it was confirmed to me by two lefties above | |||
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"Why is it more inhuman to have babies in a war torn country than it is to bomb the shit out of a country that is having babies? Why is the burden of guilt on parents, and not on us for bombing them?" . I haven't bombed anybody since the court order came through  | |||
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"Why is it more inhuman to have babies in a war torn country than it is to bomb the shit out of a country that is having babies? Why is the burden of guilt on parents, and not on us for bombing them?" Quite. We sit in judgement from the comfort of our safe homes. | |||
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"Jonathon Ross also said this: "We would have been classed as a poor family. We didn’t have anything,” he says. “My mum was a stay-at-home mum. My dad was a boiler man, then he started a haulage business. We didn’t have new things but we had each other. I have nothing but fond memories.”" Thats very touching and nice, not all families are like that especialy these days as children want and expect more and the world is much more over populated. | |||
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"Approximately 470'000 dead since 2011..... "Anyone wish to bring their child into that? | |||
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"Approximately 470'000 dead since 2011.....
Anyone wish to bring their child into that? "If the populations of countries involved in WW1 and WW2 had chosen not to procreate during the hostilities perhaps many of the people posting in this thread might never have existed,,, Just a thought..... | |||
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"The 2nd world war ran from 1939-1945 (give or take a minor argument about it not actually being over due to the Russian/Japanese "thing"..) .... yet all over Europe children were being born in this time; despite (or perhaps because of) nightly air raids; cities being invaded; a large percentage of the male population never knowing whether they would come home; many of our grandparents or great grandparents were having children at this time..... You know that the outcome of that war was not a forgone conclusion? and yet here we all are, despite of or because of that war... I mean not all sex is swinging; some sexual activities are affirmation of a bond; particularly when bonds are being broken down, the need or desire to be close to a loved one when the end could be nigh can drive people to make love....... In some countries the act of having many children is insurance; one that can guarantee that there will be family members to help with the harvest, collect water; earn wealth for the family unit.... not all children are expected to live; this doesn't make them expendable in their parents eyes; but there is a heavy-hearted acknowledgement that some of their children will die due to disease or pestilence or civil unrest.... to build better countries there has to be a "next generation"; and surely one that is conceived in the hope of that better future is the very personification of the human spirit. I have worked in most of the war torn countries of this world; and like the articulate military man above have seen the worst that humanity can deliver; but I have also similarly seen the best.... and that best has always been born in hope. To deny a people the right to have children, regardless of circumstance is to deny them hope.... and this would be the worst war crime of all..... " Lovely post. Love and hope springs eternal! | |||
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"The 2nd world war ran from 1939-1945 (give or take a minor argument about it not actually being over due to the Russian/Japanese "thing"..) .... yet all over Europe children were being born in this time; despite (or perhaps because of) nightly air raids; cities being invaded; a large percentage of the male population never knowing whether they would come home; many of our grandparents or great grandparents were having children at this time..... You know that the outcome of that war was not a forgone conclusion? and yet here we all are, despite of or because of that war... I mean not all sex is swinging; some sexual activities are affirmation of a bond; particularly when bonds are being broken down, the need or desire to be close to a loved one when the end could be nigh can drive people to make love....... In some countries the act of having many children is insurance; one that can guarantee that there will be family members to help with the harvest, collect water; earn wealth for the family unit.... not all children are expected to live; this doesn't make them expendable in their parents eyes; but there is a heavy-hearted acknowledgement that some of their children will die due to disease or pestilence or civil unrest.... to build better countries there has to be a "next generation"; and surely one that is conceived in the hope of that better future is the very personification of the human spirit. I have worked in most of the war torn countries of this world; and like the articulate military man above have seen the worst that humanity can deliver; but I have also similarly seen the best.... and that best has always been born in hope. To deny a people the right to have children, regardless of circumstance is to deny them hope.... and this would be the worst war crime of all..... " this.. well said Sir.. | |||
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"The 2nd world war ran from 1939-1945 (give or take a minor argument about it not actually being over due to the Russian/Japanese "thing"..) .... yet all over Europe children were being born in this time; despite (or perhaps because of) nightly air raids; cities being invaded; a large percentage of the male population never knowing whether they would come home; many of our grandparents or great grandparents were having children at this time..... You know that the outcome of that war was not a forgone conclusion? and yet here we all are, despite of or because of that war... I mean not all sex is swinging; some sexual activities are affirmation of a bond; particularly when bonds are being broken down, the need or desire to be close to a loved one when the end could be nigh can drive people to make love....... In some countries the act of having many children is insurance; one that can guarantee that there will be family members to help with the harvest, collect water; earn wealth for the family unit.... not all children are expected to live; this doesn't make them expendable in their parents eyes; but there is a heavy-hearted acknowledgement that some of their children will die due to disease or pestilence or civil unrest.... to build better countries there has to be a "next generation"; and surely one that is conceived in the hope of that better future is the very personification of the human spirit. I have worked in most of the war torn countries of this world; and like the articulate military man above have seen the worst that humanity can deliver; but I have also similarly seen the best.... and that best has always been born in hope. To deny a people the right to have children, regardless of circumstance is to deny them hope.... and this would be the worst war crime of all..... this.. well said Sir.." And see your children murdered Let children see parents murdered Children grow up without parents I get the fluffy But the reality is much colder 'In my opinion' | |||
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"The 2nd world war ran from 1939-1945 (give or take a minor argument about it not actually being over due to the Russian/Japanese "thing"..) .... yet all over Europe children were being born in this time; despite (or perhaps because of) nightly air raids; cities being invaded; a large percentage of the male population never knowing whether they would come home; many of our grandparents or great grandparents were having children at this time..... You know that the outcome of that war was not a forgone conclusion? and yet here we all are, despite of or because of that war... I mean not all sex is swinging; some sexual activities are affirmation of a bond; particularly when bonds are being broken down, the need or desire to be close to a loved one when the end could be nigh can drive people to make love....... In some countries the act of having many children is insurance; one that can guarantee that there will be family members to help with the harvest, collect water; earn wealth for the family unit.... not all children are expected to live; this doesn't make them expendable in their parents eyes; but there is a heavy-hearted acknowledgement that some of their children will die due to disease or pestilence or civil unrest.... to build better countries there has to be a "next generation"; and surely one that is conceived in the hope of that better future is the very personification of the human spirit. I have worked in most of the war torn countries of this world; and like the articulate military man above have seen the worst that humanity can deliver; but I have also similarly seen the best.... and that best has always been born in hope. To deny a people the right to have children, regardless of circumstance is to deny them hope.... and this would be the worst war crime of all..... this.. well said Sir.. And see your children murdered Let children see parents murdered Children grow up without parents I get the fluffy But the reality is much colder 'In my opinion'" | |||
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"What a tasteless thread" It just confirms the utter vileness of some people, the blinding ignorance of some, and , to be fair, the compassion and understanding displayed by others. | |||
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"No difference from someone from the uk that lives in poverty but want kids, here we call it the jeremy kyle generation." So you're saying that parents from Syria are no better than the people who are paraded and exploited on Jeremy Kyle? Really? | |||
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"No difference from someone from the uk that lives in poverty but want kids, here we call it the jeremy kyle generation. So you're saying that parents from Syria are no better than the people who are paraded and exploited on Jeremy Kyle? Really?" No, not all, in fact they are better as they have harder sercumstances and have to work. | |||
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"If showing compassion for children is tasteless then I'm guilty Tasteless was not the intention Hoping new born babies have a life and parents Interesting " I think it fair to say you, or for that matter very few of us, have almost no idea what it would be like to live in Syria atm. Compassion for children is one thing but the way in which the original post was worded suggested opprobrium for the parents. | |||
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"No difference from someone from the uk that lives in poverty but want kids, here we call it the jeremy kyle generation. So you're saying that parents from Syria are no better than the people who are paraded and exploited on Jeremy Kyle? Really?No, not all, in fact they are better as they have harder sercumstances and have to work." I don't follow | |||
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"The 2nd world war ran from 1939-1945 (give or take a minor argument about it not actually being over due to the Russian/Japanese "thing"..) .... yet all over Europe children were being born in this time; despite (or perhaps because of) nightly air raids; cities being invaded; a large percentage of the male population never knowing whether they would come home; many of our grandparents or great grandparents were having children at this time..... You know that the outcome of that war was not a forgone conclusion? and yet here we all are, despite of or because of that war... I mean not all sex is swinging; some sexual activities are affirmation of a bond; particularly when bonds are being broken down, the need or desire to be close to a loved one when the end could be nigh can drive people to make love....... In some countries the act of having many children is insurance; one that can guarantee that there will be family members to help with the harvest, collect water; earn wealth for the family unit.... not all children are expected to live; this doesn't make them expendable in their parents eyes; but there is a heavy-hearted acknowledgement that some of their children will die due to disease or pestilence or civil unrest.... to build better countries there has to be a "next generation"; and surely one that is conceived in the hope of that better future is the very personification of the human spirit. I have worked in most of the war torn countries of this world; and like the articulate military man above have seen the worst that humanity can deliver; but I have also similarly seen the best.... and that best has always been born in hope. To deny a people the right to have children, regardless of circumstance is to deny them hope.... and this would be the worst war crime of all..... this.. well said Sir.. And see your children murdered Let children see parents murdered Children grow up without parents I get the fluffy But the reality is much colder 'In my opinion'" Walking past a cemetery in Boston I saw a gravestone and it had 6 children's names on it, dates back to the early settlement by people from here and other countries.. and in such times mortality rates were higher than they are today but people didn't stop having children.. there has been a pattern historically of a surge during or following times of conflict of babies being born, some sort of genetic subconscious drive to keep the species going maybe.. we also live in a society where sadly children are murdered and children grow up after losing their parents.. its how it is.. the will to live and survive is one of the strongest things that most people possess, that will still be there when Syria is past and ancient history.. | |||
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"If showing compassion for children is tasteless then I'm guilty Tasteless was not the intention Hoping new born babies have a life and parents Interesting I think it fair to say you, or for that matter very few of us, have almost no idea what it would be like to live in Syria atm. Compassion for children is one thing but the way in which the original post was worded suggested opprobrium for the parents. " The parents should be criticised. They had lots of other, Muslim, Arabic speaking places near Syria that is far closer to their own culture. Yet they choose an extremely dangourous route, teeming with single adult men across a continent. It's all about money. | |||
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"If showing compassion for children is tasteless then I'm guilty Tasteless was not the intention Hoping new born babies have a life and parents Interesting I think it fair to say you, or for that matter very few of us, have almost no idea what it would be like to live in Syria atm. Compassion for children is one thing but the way in which the original post was worded suggested opprobrium for the parents. The parents should be criticised. They had lots of other, Muslim, Arabic speaking places near Syria that is far closer to their own culture. Yet they choose an extremely dangourous route, teeming with single adult men across a continent. It's all about money." Tell me.......would you remain in a location where your options were limited to existing in a life of poverty,,,,,, Or would you take an option to risk what you don't have, for a chance however remote to lead a better life ...? | |||
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"No difference from someone from the uk that lives in poverty but want kids, here we call it the jeremy kyle generation. So you're saying that parents from Syria are no better than the people who are paraded and exploited on Jeremy Kyle? Really?No, not all, in fact they are better as they have harder sercumstances and have to work. I don't follow " Yes that the mother's in the UK don't care about the situation if they can afford to have one or not as they know they can always get benefits you know. | |||
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"If showing compassion for children is tasteless then I'm guilty Tasteless was not the intention Hoping new born babies have a life and parents Interesting I think it fair to say you, or for that matter very few of us, have almost no idea what it would be like to live in Syria atm. Compassion for children is one thing but the way in which the original post was worded suggested opprobrium for the parents. The parents should be criticised. They had lots of other, Muslim, Arabic speaking places near Syria that is far closer to their own culture. Yet they choose an extremely dangourous route, teeming with single adult men across a continent. It's all about money. Tell me.......would you remain in a location where your options were limited to existing in a life of poverty,,,,,, Or would you take an option to risk what you don't have, for a chance however remote to lead a better life ...? "I'd stay and keep my children safe in a poor but safe nation and I wouldn't risk their lives in a dingy boat filled with desperate men and dealing with human smugglers and making my children homeless an an alien culture. Call me crazy. They know we are a soft culture now. | |||
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"If showing compassion for children is tasteless then I'm guilty Tasteless was not the intention Hoping new born babies have a life and parents Interesting I think it fair to say you, or for that matter very few of us, have almost no idea what it would be like to live in Syria atm. Compassion for children is one thing but the way in which the original post was worded suggested opprobrium for the parents. The parents should be criticised. They had lots of other, Muslim, Arabic speaking places near Syria that is far closer to their own culture. Yet they choose an extremely dangourous route, teeming with single adult men across a continent. It's all about money. Tell me.......would you remain in a location where your options were limited to existing in a life of poverty,,,,,, Or would you take an option to risk what you don't have, for a chance however remote to lead a better life ...?
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"The 2nd world war ran from 1939-1945 (give or take a minor argument about it not actually being over due to the Russian/Japanese "thing"..) .... yet all over Europe children were being born in this time; despite (or perhaps because of) nightly air raids; cities being invaded; a large percentage of the male population never knowing whether they would come home; many of our grandparents or great grandparents were having children at this time..... You know that the outcome of that war was not a forgone conclusion? and yet here we all are, despite of or because of that war... I mean not all sex is swinging; some sexual activities are affirmation of a bond; particularly when bonds are being broken down, the need or desire to be close to a loved one when the end could be nigh can drive people to make love....... In some countries the act of having many children is insurance; one that can guarantee that there will be family members to help with the harvest, collect water; earn wealth for the family unit.... not all children are expected to live; this doesn't make them expendable in their parents eyes; but there is a heavy-hearted acknowledgement that some of their children will die due to disease or pestilence or civil unrest.... to build better countries there has to be a "next generation"; and surely one that is conceived in the hope of that better future is the very personification of the human spirit. I have worked in most of the war torn countries of this world; and like the articulate military man above have seen the worst that humanity can deliver; but I have also similarly seen the best.... and that best has always been born in hope. To deny a people the right to have children, regardless of circumstance is to deny them hope.... and this would be the worst war crime of all..... this.. well said Sir.. And see your children murdered Let children see parents murdered Children grow up without parents I get the fluffy But the reality is much colder 'In my opinion'" Perhaps when you have seen what I have seen you wouldn't insult me by calling me fluffy... walk a mile in another's shoes chap...there is always hope... sometimes it's all there is... now I am sorry but this thread although interesting would require me to expose significantly more about myself than I am willing to share and thus bow out I must. | |||
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"Approximately 470'000 dead since 2011.....
Anyone wish to bring their child into that?
If the populations of countries involved in WW1 and WW2 had chosen not to procreate during the hostilities perhaps many of the people posting in this thread might never have existed,,,
Just a thought..... "Yes I agree, but the end of the second world war saw a terrible explosion of violence across europe which continued for days, months and years after hostilities ended... | |||
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"I'm not insulting anyone I'm trying to understand why children are being brought into the world just to see them suffer " I understand the premise of your concern,,,, but first and foremost children are brought into the world to be loved and give love.. | |||
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"I'm not insulting anyone I'm trying to understand why children are being brought into the world just to see them suffer " why have humans brought children into the world through every war and hardship we ever knew as a species? people just don't stop breeding during hard times. It really is that simple man | |||
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"Approximately 470'000 dead since 2011.....
Anyone wish to bring their child into that?
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Just a thought..... Yes I agree, but the end of the second world war saw a terrible explosion of violence across europe which continued for days, months and years after hostilities ended... "Until peace prevailed amongst the children of those who fought defending their right too freedom ... | |||
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"What a tasteless thread It just confirms the utter vileness of some people, the blinding ignorance of some, and , to be fair, the compassion and understanding displayed by others. I clearly couldn't be bothered to read it all!" Nahh, think I was right first time. These lazy, feckless Syrians having children in the middle of a war then daring to dangerously send them to Britain to sponge off OUR taxes... Disgustin'! | |||
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"No difference from someone from the uk that lives in poverty but want kids, here we call it the jeremy kyle generation. So you're saying that parents from Syria are no better than the people who are paraded and exploited on Jeremy Kyle? Really?No, not all, in fact they are better as they have harder sercumstances and have to work. I don't follow Yes that the mother's in the UK don't care about the situation if they can afford to have one or not as they know they can always get benefits you know." That's a gross over-simplification offensive to hard working single mums, Shag.  | |||
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"I've had the pleasure of working with some of the Syrian refugees. They are the same as you and I. Don't buy into the spin of our nasty government and puppet media. What's happening to them can happen to us. They are us and they want to live their lives in peace. They have survived much and lost almost everything. But they keep going. We are living in very scary times where we are denied the truth and being led to the brink of WW3. Humanity needs to be more humane. And that starts with you and me, right here, right now. " I start by saying I don't know any refugees but I am genuinely intrigued why they choose to come all the way to the uk from wherever they are rather than stay in the first safe place they find or why they don't choose to stay in a Muslim country which is similar to or the same as their beliefs. If I had a choice I would not as a white woman settle in a Muslim country. That's not being racist it's being practical, I would find it completely alien and I'd hate it. | |||
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"I've had the pleasure of working with some of the Syrian refugees. They are the same as you and I. Don't buy into the spin of our nasty government and puppet media. What's happening to them can happen to us. They are us and they want to live their lives in peace. They have survived much and lost almost everything. But they keep going. We are living in very scary times where we are denied the truth and being led to the brink of WW3. Humanity needs to be more humane. And that starts with you and me, right here, right now. I start by saying I don't know any refugees but I am genuinely intrigued why they choose to come all the way to the uk from wherever they are rather than stay in the first safe place they find or why they don't choose to stay in a Muslim country which is similar to or the same as their beliefs. If I had a choice I would not as a white woman settle in a Muslim country. That's not being racist it's being practical, I would find it completely alien and I'd hate it. " | |||
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"No difference from someone from the uk that lives in poverty but want kids, here we call it the jeremy kyle generation. So you're saying that parents from Syria are no better than the people who are paraded and exploited on Jeremy Kyle? Really?No, not all, in fact they are better as they have harder sercumstances and have to work. I don't follow Yes that the mother's in the UK don't care about the situation if they can afford to have one or not as they know they can always get benefits you know. That's a gross over-simplification offensive to hard working single mums, Shag. "That is right too, but meant more to the ones who didnt work there. | |||
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"If showing compassion for children is tasteless then I'm guilty Tasteless was not the intention Hoping new born babies have a life and parents Interesting " | |||
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"If showing compassion for children is tasteless then I'm guilty Tasteless was not the intention Hoping new born babies have a life and parents Interesting "Thank you for the support I was going to inbox you but..... | |||
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"If showing compassion for children is tasteless then I'm guilty Tasteless was not the intention Hoping new born babies have a life and parents Interesting
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"If showing compassion for children is tasteless then I'm guilty Tasteless was not the intention Hoping new born babies have a life and parents Interesting
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"Did you move your kids away from Coventry because let's be fair, that would be unfair on them too! "I'll ignore that | |||
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"Did you move your kids away from Coventry because let's be fair, that would be unfair on them too!
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" I'm appalled by your mindset o.p. Really? Being upset at the site of children living in fear and being tortured and killed? Ok " No...I'm appalled by your langorous thinkings. | |||
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"Did you move your kids away from Coventry because let's be fair, that would be unfair on them too!
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"I'm not insulting anyone I'm trying to understand why children are being brought into the world just to see them suffer " But they aren't. People aren't having babies for that reason. But we ARE bombing them for that reason, to make them suffer. It is so much easier to abstain from bombing civilians than it is to completely prevent pregnancy in the civilian population, you really have a special kind of ignorance to question the morality of birth in a war zone. Blaming people for having children in a conflict - and understand this, you're blaming women, since men aren't having babies - means you don't understand accidents happen, even outside of warzones. It means you don't understand that access to contraception or abortion might be non-existent. It means you don't even understand that rape becomes epidemic in conflicts, so many women get pregnant against their will. And you ask 'how could you be so cruel to bring a baby into this' from the comfort of your sofa on a fucksite forum while you remain completely protected from a war your country is engaged in. | |||
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"I'm not insulting anyone I'm trying to understand why children are being brought into the world just to see them suffer But they aren't. People aren't having babies for that reason. But we ARE bombing them for that reason, to make them suffer. It is so much easier to abstain from bombing civilians than it is to completely prevent pregnancy in the civilian population, you really have a special kind of ignorance to question the morality of birth in a war zone. Blaming people for having children in a conflict - and understand this, you're blaming women, since men aren't having babies - means you don't understand accidents happen, even outside of warzones. It means you don't understand that access to contraception or abortion might be non-existent. It means you don't even understand that rape becomes epidemic in conflicts, so many women get pregnant against their will. And you ask 'how could you be so cruel to bring a baby into this' from the comfort of your sofa on a fucksite forum while you remain completely protected from a war your country is engaged in. " | |||
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"I understand that some women get raped, not all do though, they may have no birth control or be able to have an abortion, so why dont they just not have sex." Marry me | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe. To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence. Well maybe just think about it." I can't afford my own home, for various reasons. Pretty sure I wouldn't be a terrible parent though and that if I had kids they wouldn't go without. Most people my age can't afford their own home. | |||
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"I understand that some women get raped, not all do though, they may have no birth control or be able to have an abortion, so why dont they just not have sex." humans as a species don't avoid breeding because times ate hard...its rather contrary to the instinct to forward the species. just don't have sex...easily said from a comfy western home. | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe. To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence. Well maybe just think about it. I can't afford my own home, for various reasons. Pretty sure I wouldn't be a terrible parent though and that if I had kids they wouldn't go without. Most people my age can't afford their own home." I agree with what you say only in my opinion and the way the world is now i think the most important thing is to be well off and own your own home if you want to have a child. | |||
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"I understand that some women get raped, not all do though, they may have no birth control or be able to have an abortion, so why dont they just not have sex." Lol.... Yeah cause that's what humans do when they are poor and fucked..thy stop shagging. Just bitches for having babies. I have a solution, not quite the final solution but close enough ;people who are likely to be born in war zones and people who earn under 25k a year should just be sterilised... at least then The poor babies won't suffer, and you can feel even more self righteous, and smug than you do now... | |||
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"I understand that some women get raped, not all do though, they may have no birth control or be able to have an abortion, so why dont they just not have sex. Lol.... Yeah cause that's what humans do when they are poor and fucked..thy stop shagging. Just bitches for having babies. I have a solution, not quite the final solution but close enough ;people who are likely to be born in war zones and people who earn under 25k a year should just be sterilised... at least then The poor babies won't suffer, and you can feel even more self righteous, and smug than you do now... "Be lovely to be able to have a mature discussion on here without insults One day maybe One day | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe. To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence. Well maybe just think about it. I can't afford my own home, for various reasons. Pretty sure I wouldn't be a terrible parent though and that if I had kids they wouldn't go without. Most people my age can't afford their own home. I agree with what you say only in my opinion and the way the world is now i think the most important thing is to be well off and own your own home if you want to have a child." The most important thing is to be well off? to have a child? what nonsense | |||
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"I understand that some women get raped, not all do though, they may have no birth control or be able to have an abortion, so why dont they just not have sex. Lol.... Yeah cause that's what humans do when they are poor and fucked..thy stop shagging. Just bitches for having babies. I have a solution, not quite the final solution but close enough ;people who are likely to be born in war zones and people who earn under 25k a year should just be sterilised... at least then The poor babies won't suffer, and you can feel even more self righteous, and smug than you do now... "Thats interesting. | |||
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" But we ARE bombing them for that reason)" . We we we.....I told you the court order has stopped my bombing sprees.... You mean the UK government for which I've not voted for for nearly 20 years!... I'm not even a beliver in nuclear weapons I'm afraid let alone UK troops outside of UK borders!. I make my own diesel for travel, don't fly, I'm not connected to the gas grid, I generate solar electric myself and only ever use renewable electric generators... I'm afraid the only people keeping up this petroleum war and it's inevitable consequences are you lot! | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe. To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence. Well maybe just think about it. I can't afford my own home, for various reasons. Pretty sure I wouldn't be a terrible parent though and that if I had kids they wouldn't go without. Most people my age can't afford their own home. I agree with what you say only in my opinion and the way the world is now i think the most important thing is to be well off and own your own home if you want to have a child. The most important thing is to be well off? to have a child? what nonsense " Well not to you but it is to me. | |||
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"This thread reminds me how I don't understand the minds and thoughts of some people that well. " Yes me too. | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe. To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence. Well maybe just think about it. I can't afford my own home, for various reasons. Pretty sure I wouldn't be a terrible parent though and that if I had kids they wouldn't go without. Most people my age can't afford their own home. I agree with what you say only in my opinion and the way the world is now i think the most important thing is to be well off and own your own home if you want to have a child." and if ones circumstances change and the breadwinner loses his or her income, or husband gets hit by a bus etc and there is no 'home' what then? hand the new born over to some worthier childless home owners? | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe. To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence. Well maybe just think about it. I can't afford my own home, for various reasons. Pretty sure I wouldn't be a terrible parent though and that if I had kids they wouldn't go without. Most people my age can't afford their own home. I agree with what you say only in my opinion and the way the world is now i think the most important thing is to be well off and own your own home if you want to have a child. The most important thing is to be well off? to have a child? what nonsense Well not to you but it is to me." fair enough..but orwellian and strange to me but there we go. I think the poor should be allowed to breed too
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe. To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence. Well maybe just think about it. I can't afford my own home, for various reasons. Pretty sure I wouldn't be a terrible parent though and that if I had kids they wouldn't go without. Most people my age can't afford their own home. I agree with what you say only in my opinion and the way the world is now i think the most important thing is to be well off and own your own home if you want to have a child. The most important thing is to be well off? to have a child? what nonsense Well not to you but it is to me." The reality is that most women of child-birthing age at the moment cannot afford their own homes. Many won't until their parents die, and by that time they will be far too old to have children. | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe. To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence. Well maybe just think about it. I can't afford my own home, for various reasons. Pretty sure I wouldn't be a terrible parent though and that if I had kids they wouldn't go without. Most people my age can't afford their own home. I agree with what you say only in my opinion and the way the world is now i think the most important thing is to be well off and own your own home if you want to have a child. The most important thing is to be well off? to have a child? what nonsense Well not to you but it is to me. fair enough..but orwellian and strange to me but there we go. I think the poor should be allowed to breed too
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"So, look at it this way (excuse any ignorance as I'm not an expert on this subject) - It's a less fortunate country than ours. Maybe less health care benefits - less education, less readily available birth control. So an unwanted pregnancy - abortions might be illegal in that country or, due to the lack of poor health care, just aren't safe or available." | |||
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"Who said you need to be well off to have a child My god this is childish No one said you don't need to be well off But my word I'd love to give my child the best life possible And that has nothing to do with wealth and possessions It has everything to do with happiness and security " it was a comment from someone you wanted to marry earlier on.. why is it childish for people to respond to what is said on a thread, as you well know threads evolve.. there you are you have answered your own question, the people in Syria and yourself have the same thoughts that wealth and possessions for some of them at this time are immaterial in their wish to have children.. | |||
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"Who said you need to be well off to have a child My god this is childish No one said you don't need to be well off But my word I'd love to give my child the best life possible And that has nothing to do with wealth and possessions It has everything to do with happiness and security " I said you need to be well off, You need to be wealthy so your child can have your house when you die, lots of young people cant afford to buy or rent their own home, they could end up homeless, so money does make people happy and secure. | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe. To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence. Well maybe just think about it. I can't afford my own home, for various reasons. Pretty sure I wouldn't be a terrible parent though and that if I had kids they wouldn't go without. Most people my age can't afford their own home. I agree with what you say only in my opinion and the way the world is now i think the most important thing is to be well off and own your own home if you want to have a child." Why? Most of Europe rents their homes. A lot of the UK too. What has your wealth or property owning ability got to do with parenting ability? | |||
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"I'd rather be poor and loved than exist in an emotionally bankrupt state where individual wealth and financial stability were the prioritising factors in deciding whether a child should be born ..... But that's just me... "its a strange thing the home ownership idea, my siblings and myself as I would imagine many of a similar age where brought up in a time when home ownership was beyond the financial reality of raising a family for our parents.. we didn't lack love, security nor happiness and whilst at times things were tight financially we never went hungry.. and somehow we all have grown and been employed, owned businesses etc and raised families and now some of us have grand kids too.. home ownership is only a recent thing for a lot of people in this country.. | |||
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"Who said you need to be well off to have a child My god this is childish No one said you don't need to be well off But my word I'd love to give my child the best life possible And that has nothing to do with wealth and possessions It has everything to do with happiness and security I said you need to be well off, You need to be wealthy so your child can have your house when you die, lots of young people cant afford to buy or rent their own home, they could end up homeless, so money does make people happy and secure." Yeah, but lots of people don't die until they're 80 or 90... if you're relying on getting a house from your parents in todays world you really need a better plan. I doubt I'll inherit a house until I'm 65 or so... | |||
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"I'm no expert either It just feels wrong If I couldn't give my kids any kind of life I would have remained child free I think it's cruel " And what if you had no available means of contraception? Would you abstain for life? X | |||
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"I'd rather be poor and loved than exist in an emotionally bankrupt state where individual wealth and financial stability were the prioritising factors in deciding whether a child should be born ..... But that's just me...
its a strange thing the home ownership idea, my siblings and myself as I would imagine many of a similar age where brought up in a time when home ownership was beyond the financial reality of raising a family for our parents..
we didn't lack love, security nor happiness and whilst at times things were tight financially we never went hungry..
and somehow we all have grown and been employed, owned businesses etc and raised families and now some of us have grand kids too..
home ownership is only a recent thing for a lot of people in this country..
"That was all a long time ago though, things have changed. There are more people wanting houses, places to live. most people i know own their own homes. | |||
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"Where do you draw the line then? What is considered to be a minimum level of living to be worthy of responsibly having a child? How about if someone is earning enough to be able to buy their own home? How about that's a really stupid suggestion. To you maybe. To anyone with a moderate level of intelligence. Well maybe just think about it. I can't afford my own home, for various reasons. Pretty sure I wouldn't be a terrible parent though and that if I had kids they wouldn't go without. Most people my age can't afford their own home. I agree with what you say only in my opinion and the way the world is now i think the most important thing is to be well off and own your own home if you want to have a child. The most important thing is to be well off? to have a child? what nonsense Well not to you but it is to me. fair enough..but orwellian and strange to me but there we go. I think the poor should be allowed to breed too
what if someone is well off..has a child and falls on hard times? should the child be taken away?
No i dont think the child should be taken away, they should be given some help."financial help? I find how well off a family is has zero to do with how the kids turn out. Some of the biggest picks I've met have been from well to do families. my grandparents had nothing..literally nothing. my dad has no shoes on on his school photo. still did just fine
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"I'm no expert either It just feels wrong If I couldn't give my kids any kind of life I would have remained child free I think it's cruel And what if you had no available means of contraception? Would you abstain for life? X" If it meant watching my child suffer? Yeah | |||
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"I'm no expert either It just feels wrong If I couldn't give my kids any kind of life I would have remained child free I think it's cruel And what if you had no available means of contraception? Would you abstain for life? X If it meant watching my child suffer? Yeah" | |||
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"Most people don't own their homes. The bank does. The birth rate would plummet if only 20 somethings who own their home could procreate. Which would be a nightmare for peoples pension hopes." They will own their own homes eventualy though and its not the same as renting, it wouldnt matter if the birth rate plummeted anyways because we are already overpopulated, there are just too many people. | |||
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"I'd rather be poor and loved than exist in an emotionally bankrupt state where individual wealth and financial stability were the prioritising factors in deciding whether a child should be born ..... But that's just me...
its a strange thing the home ownership idea, my siblings and myself as I would imagine many of a similar age where brought up in a time when home ownership was beyond the financial reality of raising a family for our parents..
we didn't lack love, security nor happiness and whilst at times things were tight financially we never went hungry..
and somehow we all have grown and been employed, owned businesses etc and raised families and now some of us have grand kids too..
home ownership is only a recent thing for a lot of people in this country..
That was all a long time ago though, things have changed. There are more people wanting houses, places to live.
most people i know own their own homes."I'm struggling to think of anyone I know who does. I know a lot who bring up children very successfully though despite not having a deed to a house or healthy bank balance. | |||
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