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"It would be racist to have a white music awards "why ? | |||
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"hasn't Adele been nominated?" monotonist? | |||
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"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. " I invented the wheel in a previous incarnation so there  | |||
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"It's a category of music that has black origin. The white equivalent would be Country. What's the issue again "Or Classical, choral and anything else you want to name. | |||
"Why would it be racist to have a white music awards but not racist to have a black music awards. Black and white people are the same. The only difference is the colour of the skin. If people get offended by that, then they're just looking for reasons to be angry, skin colour being the reason. " Exactly that is my point put better than I could | |||
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"It's a category of music that has black origin. The white equivalent would be Country. What's the issue again "Even Country music is rooted in Blues and Appalachian Folk which has strong African influences. | |||
"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. " This.  | |||
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"Why would it be racist to have a white music awards but not racist to have a black music awards. Black and white people are the same. The only difference is the colour of the skin. If people get offended by that, then they're just looking for reasons to be angry, skin colour being the reason. Exactly that is my point put better than I could "The MOBOs started, as did other black awards, because the origin and contribution of black people was not recognised in other awards. Those awards applied a colour bar - that's where the racism was (and still is sometimes). The MOBOs recognise white artists. Look at the line up of most other awards and it's only recently that black artists have been recognised. Have I spelt it out clearly enough? | |||
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"What's wrong with the BRITs? " Everything...  | |||
"It's a category of music that has black origin. The white equivalent would be Country. What's the issue again
Even Country music is rooted in Blues and Appalachian Folk which has strong African influences.
"I thought it could well be but it was the most 'white' genre I could think of at that moment. Just trying to highlight that the MOBOS isn't racist. | |||
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"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong !" Read what I posted. Think about it and then come back and see if you have understood.  | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong !" What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. | |||
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"You get that it's just the music that has black origins and that non black people can be nominated and win don't you? " | |||
"It's a category of music that has black origin. The white equivalent would be Country. What's the issue again
Even Country music is rooted in Blues and Appalachian Folk which has strong African influences.
I thought it could well be but it was the most 'white' genre I could think of at that moment.
Just trying to highlight that the MOBOS isn't racist."I did understand your point, I was trying to further it really by saying that most music, certainly modern music, even ones that are considered 'white' are underpinned by blues and music of black origin. | |||
"You get that it's just the music that has black origins and that non black people can be nominated and win don't you? "I'm not sure he does or just doesn't like the fact that white awards don't state they they are white origin awards. Of course, many can't as they have a black origin (see Hatter's post). | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. " My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! | |||
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"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! " Simply wow.  | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! " So how have white musicians been treatedess favourably as a result of the mobo awards allowing them to be nominated for awards and win them? You really should learn the definition of racism before you go spouting off ill conceived propaganda | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! " Do you understand the different levels of racism? Do you understand what is meant by systemic racism? Do you understand about power relationships that sit behind what we call racism and why that would mean MOBOs isn't racist? Your provocation is showing that you feel that you feel you no longer have the power and therefore that is racism towards you from and by black people. Yes, at lower levels racism does work both ways but not yet at the level to which you refer. | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Simply wow. "why ? I think you get my point but simply don't want to ? | |||
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"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Simply wow.
why ? I think you get my point but simply don't want to ?"You really have no point. | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Simply wow.
why ? I think you get my point but simply don't want to ?"Oo, are you responding to other posters directly but not me cos I is black? | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! " so this is not about the MOBO's its about your perception that racism 'works both ways'.. maybe to save confusion and further the debate you could give some examples of what you believe gives your perception validity..? | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! So how have white musicians been treatedess favourably as a result of the mobo awards allowing them to be nominated for awards and win them? You really should learn the definition of racism before you go spouting off ill conceived propaganda " Racism predudice against someone from another country or couler of the skin , be it black , white , green or yellow or purple with pink spots ! | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! so this is not about the MOBO's its about your perception that racism 'works both ways'.. maybe to save confusion and further the debate you could give some examples of what you believe gives your perception validity..? " I've lost count of the number of times the MOBOs thread comes back on here. Every October during BHM for sure, but at other times too. | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! So how have white musicians been treatedess favourably as a result of the mobo awards allowing them to be nominated for awards and win them? You really should learn the definition of racism before you go spouting off ill conceived propaganda Racism predudice against someone from another country or couler of the skin , be it black , white , green or yellow or purple with pink spots ! " Try again | |||
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"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Simply wow.
why ? I think you get my point but simply don't want to ?"No Sir, your point is moot. I went to find this to help educate you: http://youtu.be/dw_mRaIHb-M | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! so this is not about the MOBO's its about your perception that racism 'works both ways'.. maybe to save confusion and further the debate you could give some examples of what you believe gives your perception validity..? I've lost count of the number of times the MOBOs thread comes back on here. Every October during BHM for sure, but at other times too. " No probs ! Let's start the Mowos and see how far you would get before it was called a Racist Event ! | |||
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"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! so this is not about the MOBO's its about your perception that racism 'works both ways'.. maybe to save confusion and further the debate you could give some examples of what you believe gives your perception validity..? I've lost count of the number of times the MOBOs thread comes back on here. Every October during BHM for sure, but at other times too. No probs ! Let's start the Mowos and see how far you would get before it was called a Racist Event ! " Lets try a different tack....what musical genre do you believe would feature I your MOWO awards? | |||
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"The fact that we even need the mobo awards shows just how unfairly black history is treated. The white 'man' stole all that was theirs and claimed it for his own. " You will will be saying the White man started Slavery next ! An before you do , they didn't ! | |||
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"The fact that we even need the mobo awards shows just how unfairly black history is treated. The white 'man' stole all that was theirs and claimed it for his own. You will will be saying the White man started Slavery next ! An before you do , they didn't !" I'm not too well versed on the history of slavery. Perhaps they didn't but they Fucking took it and ran away with it didn't they.... Are you saying we should be proud they didn't start it? | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! so this is not about the MOBO's its about your perception that racism 'works both ways'.. maybe to save confusion and further the debate you could give some examples of what you believe gives your perception validity..? I've lost count of the number of times the MOBOs thread comes back on here. Every October during BHM for sure, but at other times too. No probs ! Let's start the Mowos and see how far you would get before it was called a Racist Event ! " OK, so you completely miss the point that MOWOs exist but don't need to call themselves that. You are just stirring for a fight. Bring it on. My knowledge, training and experience is perfect for this fight. I know which one of us will have the logical, reasoned arguments. I also know which one of us will get the hate mail with the real racist comments. | |||
"How many black people Won a Grammy this year? How about a Tony? Let's go back to the days of the smash hits awards.... How many black winners there.... Getting it yet? " I think you'll find Thier were plenty ! It's you who doesn't get it ! | |||
"The fact that we even need the mobo awards shows just how unfairly black history is treated. The white 'man' stole all that was theirs and claimed it for his own. You will will be saying the White man started Slavery next ! An before you do , they didn't !" They just did it on a bigger scale. | |||
"How many black people Won a Grammy this year? How about a Tony? Let's go back to the days of the smash hits awards.... How many black winners there.... Getting it yet? I think you'll find Thier were plenty ! It's you who doesn't get it ! " Name some | |||
"We have the Mobos , music of black origin ! Is it time go have the Mowos ? music of white origin ? If not ? Why not ? Personally I don't like the Mobos as I think it is Racist !!! " There isn't any popular music of white origin. It's all symphonic. | |||
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"I'll help you out op.... [mass noun] Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. I will ask you again.... What part of an awards ceremony that allows artists of all races, creeds, colours, genders, etc etc to take part and be celebrated is racist? " | |||
"He made it very clear earlier on in the thread - he's not motivated by the music awards, it is about his perception of unfairness in racism only being one way. He genuinely believes in reverse racism. Which kinda shows you he ain't going really understand a rational, factual or reasoned explanation demonstrating how way of the mark he is. "way off* (typo) | |||
"How many black people Won a Grammy this year? How about a Tony? Let's go back to the days of the smash hits awards.... How many black winners there.... Getting it yet? I think you'll find Thier were plenty ! It's you who doesn't get it ! Name some" Pretty sure Michael Jackson won a Smash Hits ! | |||
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"It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! " Phil Lynott owes me a pint btw *shakes fist angrily..... Although I've never met Tina  | |||
"How many black people Won a Grammy this year? How about a Tony? Let's go back to the days of the smash hits awards.... How many black winners there.... Getting it yet? I think you'll find Thier were plenty ! It's you who doesn't get it ! Name some Pretty sure Michael Jackson won a Smash Hits ! " 1.....well done..... How many smash hits awards were given out? | |||
"He made it very clear earlier on in the thread - he's not motivated by the music awards, it is about his perception of unfairness in racism only being one way. He genuinely believes in reverse racism. Which kinda shows you he ain't going really understand a rational, factual or reasoned explanation demonstrating how way of the mark he is.
way off* (typo)"You are correct ! Except I'm not way off the Mark !!! | |||
"How many black people Won a Grammy this year? How about a Tony? Let's go back to the days of the smash hits awards.... How many black winners there.... Getting it yet? I think you'll find Thier were plenty ! It's you who doesn't get it ! Name some Pretty sure Michael Jackson won a Smash Hits ! " Great! Let's have one black winner, that'll keep 'em happy. | |||
"It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Phil Lynott owes me a pint btw *shakes fist angrily..... Although I've never met Tina "Did you really meet Phil? | |||
"He made it very clear earlier on in the thread - he's not motivated by the music awards, it is about his perception of unfairness in racism only being one way. He genuinely believes in reverse racism. Which kinda shows you he ain't going really understand a rational, factual or reasoned explanation demonstrating how way of the mark he is.
way off* (typo)
You are correct ! Except I'm not way off the Mark !!!"Have you watched the youtube clip I posted? | |||
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"It's so hard suffering as a privileged majority "Isn't it just? Pity me! | |||
"He made it very clear earlier on in the thread - he's not motivated by the music awards, it is about his perception of unfairness in racism only being one way. He genuinely believes in reverse racism. Which kinda shows you he ain't going really understand a rational, factual or reasoned explanation demonstrating how way of the mark he is.
way off* (typo)
You are correct ! Except I'm not way off the Mark !!!"No, it's clear you have hit your mark. You've stirred up an argument about race. That was your intention and we have risen to your bait by trying to enlighten you. You don't seek knowledge or understanding, merely shit stirring. | |||
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"It's so hard suffering as a privileged majority
Isn't it just? Pity me!"Us pesky, uppity minorities seeking parity. When will we learn? | |||
"He made it very clear earlier on in the thread - he's not motivated by the music awards, it is about his perception of unfairness in racism only being one way. He genuinely believes in reverse racism. Which kinda shows you he ain't going really understand a rational, factual or reasoned explanation demonstrating how way of the mark he is.
way off* (typo)
You are correct ! Except I'm not way off the Mark !!!
No, it's clear you have hit your mark. You've stirred up an argument about race. That was your intention and we have risen to your bait by trying to enlighten you.
You don't seek knowledge or understanding, merely shit stirring.
"I always hope though, just that little tiny speck of hope that someone might be open to learning something and becoming better informed as a human. Sadly, I think this one is too far bigoted. | |||
"He made it very clear earlier on in the thread - he's not motivated by the music awards, it is about his perception of unfairness in racism only being one way. He genuinely believes in reverse racism. Which kinda shows you he ain't going really understand a rational, factual or reasoned explanation demonstrating how way of the mark he is.
way off* (typo)
You are correct ! Except I'm not way off the Mark !!!
No, it's clear you have hit your mark. You've stirred up an argument about race. That was your intention and we have risen to your bait by trying to enlighten you.
You don't seek knowledge or understanding, merely shit stirring.
"You are partly correct except you assume I'm a racist Moron and thick , yet I'm neither | |||
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"He made it very clear earlier on in the thread - he's not motivated by the music awards, it is about his perception of unfairness in racism only being one way. He genuinely believes in reverse racism. Which kinda shows you he ain't going really understand a rational, factual or reasoned explanation demonstrating how way of the mark he is.
way off* (typo)
You are correct ! Except I'm not way off the Mark !!!
No, it's clear you have hit your mark. You've stirred up an argument about race. That was your intention and we have risen to your bait by trying to enlighten you.
You don't seek knowledge or understanding, merely shit stirring.
You are partly correct except you assume I'm a racist Moron and thick , yet I'm neither "Prove it. I don't think you're thick. I just think you're shit stirring on an emotive subject and that can be interpreted as a passive aggressive racist act. | |||
"The reason we don't have awards specifically for white people is because they are winning by a large margin already. It's the same reason why in Mario Kart, if you're in the lead you don't get the best power ups. Let me guess OP, you think there should be a White Lives Matter movement too??" Not a bad idea
But Better Still would Be All Lives Matter !!! | |||
"The reason we don't have awards specifically for white people is because they are winning by a large margin already. It's the same reason why in Mario Kart, if you're in the lead you don't get the best power ups. Let me guess OP, you think there should be a White Lives Matter movement too?? Not a bad idea
But Better Still would Be All Lives Matter !!!"Not really. All races aren't getting harassed by police equally | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! " A white guy complaining of racism in the UK, a white country!!!!lol , what are you an immigrant from Eastern Europe living up the valleys or something, ???? Lmao...you get profiled by the police a lot? Serious question though. Did white guys somehow stop ruling the world since I slept or something... | |||
"The reason we don't have awards specifically for white people is because they are winning by a large margin already. It's the same reason why in Mario Kart, if you're in the lead you don't get the best power ups. Let me guess OP, you think there should be a White Lives Matter movement too?? Not a bad idea
But Better Still would Be All Lives Matter !!!
Not really. All races aren't getting harassed by police equally "Try telling that to White people in Zimbabwe ! | |||
"The reason we don't have awards specifically for white people is because they are winning by a large margin already. It's the same reason why in Mario Kart, if you're in the lead you don't get the best power ups. Let me guess OP, you think there should be a White Lives Matter movement too?? Not a bad idea
But Better Still would Be All Lives Matter !!!
Not really. All races aren't getting harassed by police equally
Try telling that to White people in Zimbabwe !"Ok pal, you start your white power group, good luck to you | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! A white guy complaining of racism in the UK, a white country!!!!lol , what are you an immigrant from Eastern Europe living up the valleys or something, ???? Lmao...you get profiled by the police a lot? Serious question though. Did white guys somehow stop ruling the world since I slept or something... "Careful, let's not make sweeping judgements on immigrants even in jest to make a point of some sort. | |||
"It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Phil Lynott owes me a pint btw *shakes fist angrily..... Although I've never met Tina
Did you really meet Phil? "Yes, he played at Derby Rockhouse with Grand Slam and was a very cool guy. Me and a few mates did all the roadie stuff and set up all of their equipment | |||
"The reason we don't have awards specifically for white people is because they are winning by a large margin already. It's the same reason why in Mario Kart, if you're in the lead you don't get the best power ups. Let me guess OP, you think there should be a White Lives Matter movement too?? Not a bad idea
But Better Still would Be All Lives Matter !!!
Not really. All races aren't getting harassed by police equally
Try telling that to White people in Zimbabwe !"So much better when it was Rhodesia, wasn't it? | |||
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"It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Phil Lynott owes me a pint btw *shakes fist angrily..... Although I've never met Tina
Did you really meet Phil?
Yes, he played at Derby Rockhouse with Grand Slam and was a very cool guy. Me and a few mates did all the roadie stuff and set up all of their equipment "Tell me about it while I'm sucking your dick? | |||
"Ok I've made my point even if a lot of you on here won't accept it ! I'm not a racist , tho I shouldn't have to say that ! Thier shouldn't be any White , Black , or any other definition on any thing ! We are all Humans , and should all be Equal ! End Of !!!! Ps I guess that makes me a Racist then ?" I saw a very good meme a while ago that explained equality.... There were 3 people trying to look over a fence but the were all different heights and only one could see over. The first solution was they were all given a stool of the same height... The first person towered over the fence, the second person could just peep over it, and the third person still couldn't see over it. The second solution was to give no stool to the first person because they didn't need it, a small stool to the second person, and a higher stool to the third. Equality isn't about giving everyone the same treatment, it is about everyone having the same outcome. Some people will need more help than others to achieve the same outcome as everyone else. | |||
"Ok I've made my point even if a lot of you on here won't accept it ! I'm not a racist , tho I shouldn't have to say that ! Thier shouldn't be any White , Black , or any other definition on any thing ! We are all Humans , and should all be Equal ! End Of !!!! Ps I guess that makes me a Racist then ?" No, it still makes you a shit stirrer and I still don't accept your point. One day we may have reached a point when people stop seeing difference and truly treat everyone equally but we're not there yet and, currently, we're going backwards. If you feel the need to state that you're not a racist then perhaps look at how you present yourself. Personally, I believe we're all racist, at the lower level, but how we mitigate that by checking our language and behaviour towards each other and making an effort to recognise our own prejudices. Passive aggressive racist acts are racist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM | |||
"The point is the Mowos wouldn't be acceptable and the Mobos are deemed ok ! This is clearly double standards and Wrong ! What's the real reason for your post here OP? Are you really, really feeling that there isn't enough 'white' recognition in the music industry? Like seriously? Or is this just the mode in which you want to demonstrate your ignorance of (or support for) racism? Are you genuinely giving us the anti affirmative action argument. Sorry, just my opinion, but that's how you're coming across to me. My point is that Racism works both ways and I'm sick of it been one way traffic ! It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! A white guy complaining of racism in the UK, a white country!!!!lol , what are you an immigrant from Eastern Europe living up the valleys or something, ???? Lmao...you get profiled by the police a lot? Serious question though. Did white guys somehow stop ruling the world since I slept or something...
Careful, let's not make sweeping judgements on immigrants even in jest to make a point of some sort. "Uh oh I said immigrants! My sweeping statement was aimed at the xenophobia of us Welsh up the valleys where the English are hated in equal measure..again another sweeping generalisation about us Welsh. No judgements passed on immigration but on xenophobia | |||
"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. " I thought that before you did. | |||
"It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Phil Lynott owes me a pint btw *shakes fist angrily..... Although I've never met Tina
Did you really meet Phil?
Yes, he played at Derby Rockhouse with Grand Slam and was a very cool guy. Me and a few mates did all the roadie stuff and set up all of their equipment
Tell me about it while I'm sucking your dick? "May I watch, and listen to the story too? | |||
"Ok I've made my point even if a lot of you on here won't accept it ! I'm not a racist , tho I shouldn't have to say that ! Thier shouldn't be any White , Black , or any other definition on any thing ! We are all Humans , and should all be Equal ! End Of !!!! Ps I guess that makes me a Racist then ?" No. Actually referring to your earlier point that you are neither racist nor thick -- I think perhaps you're not a racist (although you should really take on board that it comes across as racist) but I do now believe you to be rather thick (your word) or rather ignorant (my word). Happy fabbing. | |||
"Ok I've made my point even if a lot of you on here won't accept it ! I'm not a racist , tho I shouldn't have to say that ! Thier shouldn't be any White , Black , or any other definition on any thing ! We are all Humans , and should all be Equal ! End Of !!!! Ps I guess that makes me a Racist then ? I saw a very good meme a while ago that explained equality.... There were 3 people trying to look over a fence but the were all different heights and only one could see over. The first solution was they were all given a stool of the same height... The first person towered over the fence, the second person could just peep over it, and the third person still couldn't see over it. The second solution was to give no stool to the first person because they didn't need it, a small stool to the second person, and a higher stool to the third. Equality isn't about giving everyone the same treatment, it is about everyone having the same outcome. Some people will need more help than others to achieve the same outcome as everyone else. " | |||
"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. I thought that before you did." That's cos you is old. Or is it still cos I is black?  | |||
"Ok I've made my point even if a lot of you on here won't accept it ! I'm not a racist , tho I shouldn't have to say that ! Thier shouldn't be any White , Black , or any other definition on any thing ! We are all Humans , and should all be Equal ! End Of !!!! Ps I guess that makes me a Racist then ? No. Actually referring to your earlier point that you are neither racist nor thick -- I think perhaps you're not a racist (although you should really take on board that it comes across as racist) but I do now believe you to be rather thick (your word) or rather ignorant (my word). Happy fabbing. " Actually Lickety is correct. I'm being too generous. Racist. Yup that does sum it up. | |||
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"The reason we don't have awards specifically for white people is because they are winning by a large margin already. It's the same reason why in Mario Kart, if you're in the lead you don't get the best power ups. Let me guess OP, you think there should be a White Lives Matter movement too?? Not a bad idea
But Better Still would Be All Lives Matter !!!
Not really. All races aren't getting harassed by police equally
Try telling that to White people in Zimbabwe !
So much better when it was Rhodesia, wasn't it?
"Yes it was ! But it was not ok as it was a byassed regime against blacks ! | |||
"It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Phil Lynott owes me a pint btw *shakes fist angrily..... Although I've never met Tina
Did you really meet Phil?
Yes, he played at Derby Rockhouse with Grand Slam and was a very cool guy. Me and a few mates did all the roadie stuff and set up all of their equipment
Tell me about it while I'm sucking your dick?
May I watch, and listen to the story too?
"It won't be that sexy, I'll be mostly listening! | |||
"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. I thought that before you did. That's cos you is old. Or is it still cos I is black? "Regardless Lickety my dear, You is black but I is not old. | |||
"It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Phil Lynott owes me a pint btw *shakes fist angrily..... Although I've never met Tina
Did you really meet Phil?
Yes, he played at Derby Rockhouse with Grand Slam and was a very cool guy. Me and a few mates did all the roadie stuff and set up all of their equipment
Tell me about it while I'm sucking your dick?
May I watch, and listen to the story too?
It won't be that sexy, I'll be mostly listening! "Is that because you can't listen and suck at the same time? | |||
"Ok I've made my point even if a lot of you on here won't accept it ! I'm not a racist , tho I shouldn't have to say that ! Thier shouldn't be any White , Black , or any other definition on any thing ! We are all Humans , and should all be Equal ! End Of !!!! Ps I guess that makes me a Racist then ?" You may or may not be a racist. It's a moot point for me ..like me you are a white man born in the U.K. We have no concept of what racism is and what it means to endure it. The whole world is worked for us in our favour. No one is as privileged as us. It's awesome for us ,and it would appear our ignorance bliss in this instance | |||
"Why would it be racist to have a white music awards but not racist to have a black music awards. Black and white people are the same. The only difference is the colour of the skin. If people get offended by that, then they're just looking for reasons to be angry, skin colour being the reason. " They might be the same biologically but the experiences of each race is uniquely different - as is their history The world was made by white [men] for white [men], awards and events like the MOBOs recognise that music of black origin had to get over barriers and opposition to get air time, the artists experienced discrimination and persecution. It is typically those with white privilege (google it) who make statements about music of white origin etc and bind it up in the we are all equal now statements. In reality people of colour still experience overt and hidden discrimination - we don't have true equality yet (unfortunately ) | |||
"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. I thought that before you did. That's cos you is old. Or is it still cos I is black?
Regardless Lickety my dear, You is black but I is not old. "Definitely not old enough to be my granny. | |||
"Ok I've made my point even if a lot of you on here won't accept it ! I'm not a racist , tho I shouldn't have to say that ! Thier shouldn't be any White , Black , or any other definition on any thing ! We are all Humans , and should all be Equal ! End Of !!!! Ps I guess that makes me a Racist then ? No. Actually referring to your earlier point that you are neither racist nor thick -- I think perhaps you're not a racist (although you should really take on board that it comes across as racist) but I do now believe you to be rather thick (your word) or rather ignorant (my word). Happy fabbing. Actually Lickety is correct. I'm being too generous. Racist. Yup that does sum it up. " How can I be a Racist when I'm not against any couler or Race ? | |||
"Ok I've made my point even if a lot of you on here won't accept it ! I'm not a racist , tho I shouldn't have to say that ! Thier shouldn't be any White , Black , or any other definition on any thing ! We are all Humans , and should all be Equal ! End Of !!!! Ps I guess that makes me a Racist then ? You may or may not be a racist. It's a moot point for me ..like me you are a white man born in the U.K. We have no concept of what racism is and what it means to endure it. The whole world is worked for us in our favour. No one is as privileged as us. It's awesome for us ,and it would appear our ignorance bliss in this instance "My American professor lady has another video where she illustrates racism to white students.. Too hard for me to explain, I'm off to find it on YouTube | |||
"Ok I've made my point even if a lot of you on here won't accept it ! I'm not a racist , tho I shouldn't have to say that ! Thier shouldn't be any White , Black , or any other definition on any thing ! We are all Humans , and should all be Equal ! End Of !!!! Ps I guess that makes me a Racist then ? No. Actually referring to your earlier point that you are neither racist nor thick -- I think perhaps you're not a racist (although you should really take on board that it comes across as racist) but I do now believe you to be rather thick (your word) or rather ignorant (my word). Happy fabbing. Actually Lickety is correct. I'm being too generous. Racist. Yup that does sum it up. How can I be a Racist when I'm not against any couler or Race ? " Read the thread man, educate yourself with the terminology and links people have provided you with. | |||
"It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Phil Lynott owes me a pint btw *shakes fist angrily..... Although I've never met Tina
Did you really meet Phil?
Yes, he played at Derby Rockhouse with Grand Slam and was a very cool guy. Me and a few mates did all the roadie stuff and set up all of their equipment
Tell me about it while I'm sucking your dick?
May I watch, and listen to the story too?
It won't be that sexy, I'll be mostly listening!
Is that because you can't listen and suck at the same time?"I just can't make it look sexy! Can't multi task obviously! | |||
"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. I thought that before you did. That's cos you is old. Or is it still cos I is black?
Regardless Lickety my dear, You is black but I is not old.
Definitely not old enough to be my granny. "In Liverpool I am
Now that made me laugh ... | |||
"It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Phil Lynott owes me a pint btw *shakes fist angrily..... Although I've never met Tina
Did you really meet Phil?
Yes, he played at Derby Rockhouse with Grand Slam and was a very cool guy. Me and a few mates did all the roadie stuff and set up all of their equipment
Tell me about it while I'm sucking your dick? "You drive a hard bargain young man! | |||
"Why would it be racist to have a white music awards but not racist to have a black music awards. Black and white people are the same. The only difference is the colour of the skin. If people get offended by that, then they're just looking for reasons to be angry, skin colour being the reason. They might be the same biologically but the experiences of each race is uniquely different - as is their history The world was made by white [men] for white [men], awards and events like the MOBOs recognise that music of black origin had to get over barriers and opposition to get air time, the artists experienced discrimination and persecution. It is typically those with white privilege (google it) who make statements about music of white origin etc and bind it up in the we are all equal now statements. In reality people of colour still experience overt and hidden discrimination - we don't have true equality yet (unfortunately ) " and then ........ there's cliche. | |||
"It is meant to be a provocative post ! And yes if we had a Mowos , both Tina Turner and Phil Linnet would have won ! Phil Lynott owes me a pint btw *shakes fist angrily..... Although I've never met Tina
Did you really meet Phil?
Yes, he played at Derby Rockhouse with Grand Slam and was a very cool guy. Me and a few mates did all the roadie stuff and set up all of their equipment
Tell me about it while I'm sucking your dick?
You drive a hard bargain young man!"Have you seen Limehouse lizzy? | |||
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" and then ........ there's cliche. " A forum cliché? Who's in that then....? | |||
"Can we have a black cock award "There was one but there wasn't a lapel big enough to hang it on ....... | |||
" and then ........ there's cliche. A forum cliché? Who's in that then....? "I am. Typically. | |||
" and then ........ there's cliche. A forum cliché? Who's in that then....? " The first rule of the cliche is ........ | |||
"Ok I've made my point even if a lot of you on here won't accept it ! I'm not a racist , tho I shouldn't have to say that ! Thier shouldn't be any White , Black , or any other definition on any thing ! We are all Humans , and should all be Equal ! End Of !!!! Ps I guess that makes me a Racist then ? You may or may not be a racist. It's a moot point for me ..like me you are a white man born in the U.K. We have no concept of what racism is and what it means to endure it. The whole world is worked for us in our favour. No one is as privileged as us. It's awesome for us ,and it would appear our ignorance bliss in this instance
My American professor lady has another video where she illustrates racism to white students.. Too hard for me to explain, I'm off to find it on YouTube "Here it is
https://youtu.be/q4uEE9926Zw
Jane Elliott is her name. I think I like it as well because she says bull shit in it and I love it when old people swear lol | |||
"Why would it be racist to have a white music awards but not racist to have a black music awards. Black and white people are the same. The only difference is the colour of the skin. If people get offended by that, then they're just looking for reasons to be angry, skin colour being the reason. They might be the same biologically but the experiences of each race is uniquely different - as is their history The world was made by white [men] for white [men], awards and events like the MOBOs recognise that music of black origin had to get over barriers and opposition to get air time, the artists experienced discrimination and persecution. It is typically those with white privilege (google it) who make statements about music of white origin etc and bind it up in the we are all equal now statements. In reality people of colour still experience overt and hidden discrimination - we don't have true equality yet (unfortunately ) " Yep, this post is right on the money | |||
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"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. " Wrong,there are no other awards, Where white is predominant in the title. history shows,without doubt, discrimination against black people,has been disgusting, absolutely abhorrent in every way. That doesn't change the fact, That if there were awards, Where white was predominant in the title. Many of the people on this thread, Who are decrying the very thought, that awards for, music of black origin could be in any way racist. Would view those awards as being racist. Discrimination is just wrong, No matter what colour you are. | |||
"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. Wrong,there are no other awards, Where white is predominant in the title. history shows,without doubt, discrimination against black people,has been disgusting, absolutely abhorrent in every way. That doesn't change the fact, That if there were awards, Where white was predominant in the title. Many of the people on this thread, Who are decrying the very thought, that awards for, music of black origin could be in any way racist. Would view those awards as being racist. Discrimination is just wrong, No matter what colour you are. " You've actually missed the point of the thread. | |||
"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. Wrong,there are no other awards, Where white is predominant in the title. history shows,without doubt, discrimination against black people,has been disgusting, absolutely abhorrent in every way. That doesn't change the fact, That if there were awards, Where white was predominant in the title. Many of the people on this thread, Who are decrying the very thought, that awards for, music of black origin could be in any way racist. Would view those awards as being racist. Discrimination is just wrong, No matter what colour you are. You've actually missed the point of the thread. " Thank you,but I'm sure I didnt.xx | |||
"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. Wrong,there are no other awards, Where white is predominant in the title. history shows,without doubt, discrimination against black people,has been disgusting, absolutely abhorrent in every way. That doesn't change the fact, That if there were awards, Where white was predominant in the title. Many of the people on this thread, Who are decrying the very thought, that awards for, music of black origin could be in any way racist. Would view those awards as being racist. Discrimination is just wrong, No matter what colour you are. You've actually missed the point of the thread. " No ! The above have actually got the point of my thread | |||
"hasn't Adele been nominated? monotonist?" | |||
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"It's a category of music that has black origin. The white equivalent would be Country. What's the issue again "Actually country music also has roots in blues, ( as well as traditional European folk music), so has a common root with blues . ( and uses, largely, the same scales) | |||
"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. Wrong,there are no other awards, Where white is predominant in the title. history shows,without doubt, discrimination against black people,has been disgusting, absolutely abhorrent in every way. That doesn't change the fact, That if there were awards, Where white was predominant in the title. Many of the people on this thread, Who are decrying the very thought, that awards for, music of black origin could be in any way racist. Would view those awards as being racist. Discrimination is just wrong, No matter what colour you are. You've actually missed the point of the thread. No ! The above have actually got the point of my thread "We understood your point about the name of the awards but you do not understand or appreciate the reason why those awards have to exist.... We are back the story of people seeing over fences again. Music of white origin doesn't need special recognition because firstly it is very hard to identify any genre of music that has its origin in white cultures and secondly, any genre that was found to have white origin wasn't then taken from them and used to better the lives of the ruling race. The history of rock and roll, motown, lots of other types of music will all show black recording artists not being able to be signed up to record labels because of the colour of their skin and their songs being taken by record companies and given to white artists to sing instead. Once again I say to you.... Equality is not treating everyone the same, it is giving everyone the same outcome. | |||
"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. Wrong,there are no other awards, Where white is predominant in the title. history shows,without doubt, discrimination against black people,has been disgusting, absolutely abhorrent in every way. That doesn't change the fact, That if there were awards, Where white was predominant in the title. Many of the people on this thread, Who are decrying the very thought, that awards for, music of black origin could be in any way racist. Would view those awards as being racist. Discrimination is just wrong, No matter what colour you are. You've actually missed the point of the thread. No ! The above have actually got the point of my thread
We understood your point about the name of the awards but you do not understand or appreciate the reason why those awards have to exist.... We are back the story of people seeing over fences again.
Music of white origin doesn't need special recognition because firstly it is very hard to identify any genre of music that has its origin in white cultures and secondly, any genre that was found to have white origin wasn't then taken from them and used to better the lives of the ruling race.
The history of rock and roll, motown, lots of other types of music will all show black recording artists not being able to be signed up to record labels because of the colour of their skin and their songs being taken by record companies and given to white artists to sing instead.
Once again I say to you.... Equality is not treating everyone the same, it is giving everyone the same outcome. "Thanks Evie, it's just too much *facepalm* !! | |||
"Oh for fucks sake! Not this again. If you don't understand then there really is no point trying to explain it. There are hundreds of awards for MOWO. The reason they aren't called that is that white people think they invented everything. Wrong,there are no other awards, Where white is predominant in the title. history shows,without doubt, discrimination against black people,has been disgusting, absolutely abhorrent in every way. That doesn't change the fact, That if there were awards, Where white was predominant in the title. Many of the people on this thread, Who are decrying the very thought, that awards for, music of black origin could be in any way racist. Would view those awards as being racist. Discrimination is just wrong, No matter what colour you are. You've actually missed the point of the thread. No ! The above have actually got the point of my thread
We understood your point about the name of the awards but you do not understand or appreciate the reason why those awards have to exist.... We are back the story of people seeing over fences again.
Music of white origin doesn't need special recognition because firstly it is very hard to identify any genre of music that has its origin in white cultures and secondly, any genre that was found to have white origin wasn't then taken from them and used to better the lives of the ruling race.
The history of rock and roll, motown, lots of other types of music will all show black recording artists not being able to be signed up to record labels because of the colour of their skin and their songs being taken by record companies and given to white artists to sing instead.
Once again I say to you.... Equality is not treating everyone the same, it is giving everyone the same outcome. "Evie I agree with all of the above(final paragraph apart) Although Not really relevant to the original post. Prior to the conseption of the MOBOs, How many people who perceive the name MOBOs as non racist Would perceive an awards ceremony named Music of white origin,as racist.(no matter the genre) I'm thinking the number would be substantial. The original post merely questioned this inconsistency. | |||
" Once again I say to you.... Equality is not treating everyone the same, it is giving everyone the same outcome. Evie I agree with all of the above(final paragraph apart) Although Not really relevant to the original post. Prior to the conseption of the MOBOs, How many people who perceive the name MOBOs as non racist Would perceive an awards ceremony named Music of white origin,as racist.(no matter the genre) I'm thinking the number would be substantial. The original post merely questioned this inconsistency. " Thereby missing the point on why the inconsistency was and is necessary, and why it isn't racist. | |||
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" Once again I say to you.... Equality is not treating everyone the same, it is giving everyone the same outcome. Evie I agree with all of the above(final paragraph apart) Although Not really relevant to the original post. Prior to the conseption of the MOBOs, How many people who perceive the name MOBOs as non racist Would perceive an awards ceremony named Music of white origin,as racist.(no matter the genre) I'm thinking the number would be substantial. The original post merely questioned this inconsistency. Thereby missing the point on why the inconsistency was and is necessary, and why it isn't racist. " I got the point exactly Lickety. I just don't believe that practising racism, to counteract racism, is a good idea. If that's the best we've got, I fear for the future. | |||
" Once again I say to you.... Equality is not treating everyone the same, it is giving everyone the same outcome. Evie I agree with all of the above(final paragraph apart) Although Not really relevant to the original post. Prior to the conseption of the MOBOs, How many people who perceive the name MOBOs as non racist Would perceive an awards ceremony named Music of white origin,as racist.(no matter the genre) I'm thinking the number would be substantial. The original post merely questioned this inconsistency. Thereby missing the point on why the inconsistency was and is necessary, and why it isn't racist. I got the point exactly Lickety. I just don't believe that practising racism, to counteract racism, is a good idea. If that's the best we've got, I fear for the future. " You see it as practising racism and I see it as another attempt to disempower black people. The racism is systemic, not in the use of the word black but in the absence of the word white. The exclusion existed. I'd rather there had never been a colour bar. I'd rather that it was not necessary for black people to have to set awards specifically to recognise black achievement but it has been necessary and, frankly, it still is. | |||
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" Once again I say to you.... Equality is not treating everyone the same, it is giving everyone the same outcome. Evie I agree with all of the above(final paragraph apart) Although Not really relevant to the original post. Prior to the conseption of the MOBOs, How many people who perceive the name MOBOs as non racist Would perceive an awards ceremony named Music of white origin,as racist.(no matter the genre) I'm thinking the number would be substantial. The original post merely questioned this inconsistency. Thereby missing the point on why the inconsistency was and is necessary, and why it isn't racist. I got the point exactly Lickety. I just don't believe that practising racism, to counteract racism, is a good idea. If that's the best we've got, I fear for the future. You see it as practising racism and I see it as another attempt to disempower black people. The racism is systemic, not in the use of the word black but in the absence of the word white. The exclusion existed. I'd rather there had never been a colour bar. I'd rather that it was not necessary for black people to have to set awards specifically to recognise black achievement but it has been necessary and, frankly, it still is. " Whoa!! at no point have I disagreed with the merit and necessity of the awards. I have merely stated,that if people would perceive awards, named music of white origin, As racist. Then they must also perceive awards named, Music of black origin,as racist. If you refuse to understand, That if one name is racist, Then logic,and common sense tells us,that the other name must also be racist. How you see this as another attempt to disempower black people,absolutely bamboozles me. by simply recognising this anomaly, many people will see me as racist. Even though,none of my posts, have been in any way detrimental to any other race. I can also assure you,nothing could be further from the truth. I'm disgusted,that by recognising such an obvious contradiction, people will tag me as such. | |||
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" Once again I say to you.... Equality is not treating everyone the same, it is giving everyone the same outcome. Evie I agree with all of the above(final paragraph apart) Although Not really relevant to the original post. Prior to the conseption of the MOBOs, How many people who perceive the name MOBOs as non racist Would perceive an awards ceremony named Music of white origin,as racist.(no matter the genre) I'm thinking the number would be substantial. The original post merely questioned this inconsistency. Thereby missing the point on why the inconsistency was and is necessary, and why it isn't racist. I got the point exactly Lickety. I just don't believe that practising racism, to counteract racism, is a good idea. If that's the best we've got, I fear for the future. You see it as practising racism and I see it as another attempt to disempower black people. The racism is systemic, not in the use of the word black but in the absence of the word white. The exclusion existed. I'd rather there had never been a colour bar. I'd rather that it was not necessary for black people to have to set awards specifically to recognise black achievement but it has been necessary and, frankly, it still is. Whoa!! at no point have I disagreed with the merit and necessity of the awards. I have merely stated,that if people would perceive awards, named music of white origin, As racist. Then they must also perceive awards named, Music of black origin,as racist. If you refuse to understand, That if one name is racist, Then logic,and common sense tells us,that the other name must also be racist. How you see this as another attempt to disempower black people,absolutely bamboozles me. by simply recognising this anomaly, many people will see me as racist. Even though,none of my posts, have been in any way detrimental to any other race. I can also assure you,nothing could be further from the truth. I'm disgusted,that by recognising such an obvious contradiction, people will tag me as such. " But you're misunderstanding the fact that you can't simply reverse it! Yes, you would have a point *but only if* there'd been 100s of years of systemic disempowerment of white people, *only* then would your point have validity. By making it a direct equal comparison, as you are, misses the entire issue!! You are making a semantic argument that doesn't hold up in reality. That's the point we are countering. And the issue is that perpetuating that misconception can come across as racist, which I am sure is not your intent. | |||
"2 days of this pointless shite, eh, you people have put yourselves through? I can't believe this is even a topic for debate in the 21st century. "Sadly it still is though Joe, eh. | |||
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" Once again I say to you.... Equality is not treating everyone the same, it is giving everyone the same outcome. Evie I agree with all of the above(final paragraph apart) Although Not really relevant to the original post. Prior to the conseption of the MOBOs, How many people who perceive the name MOBOs as non racist Would perceive an awards ceremony named Music of white origin,as racist.(no matter the genre) I'm thinking the number would be substantial. The original post merely questioned this inconsistency. Thereby missing the point on why the inconsistency was and is necessary, and why it isn't racist. I got the point exactly Lickety. I just don't believe that practising racism, to counteract racism, is a good idea. If that's the best we've got, I fear for the future. You see it as practising racism and I see it as another attempt to disempower black people. The racism is systemic, not in the use of the word black but in the absence of the word white. The exclusion existed. I'd rather there had never been a colour bar. I'd rather that it was not necessary for black people to have to set awards specifically to recognise black achievement but it has been necessary and, frankly, it still is. Whoa!! at no point have I disagreed with the merit and necessity of the awards. I have merely stated,that if people would perceive awards, named music of white origin, As racist. Then they must also perceive awards named, Music of black origin,as racist. If you refuse to understand, That if one name is racist, Then logic,and common sense tells us,that the other name must also be racist. How you see this as another attempt to disempower black people,absolutely bamboozles me. by simply recognising this anomaly, many people will see me as racist. Even though,none of my posts, have been in any way detrimental to any other race. I can also assure you,nothing could be further from the truth. I'm disgusted,that by recognising such an obvious contradiction, people will tag me as such. But you're misunderstanding the fact that you can't simply reverse it! Yes, you would have a point *but only if* there'd been 100s of years of systemic disempowerment of white people, *only* then would your point have validity. By making it a direct equal comparison, as you are, misses the entire issue!! You are making a semantic argument that doesn't hold up in reality. That's the point we are countering. And the issue is that perpetuating that misconception can come across as racist, which I am sure is not your intent. " I'm just never going to understand how discriminating against one race,to benefit another, is going to solve the problem of racism. to be honest, I'm thinking it's more likely to perpetuate,than solve. In fact,I'm pretty sure that's how it all started. I truly hope I am wrong. | |||
"We have the Mobos , music of black origin ! Is it time go have the Mowos ? music of white origin ? If not ? Why not ? Personally I don't like the Mobos as I think it is Racist !!! " The geeza that started the mobos is Andy ruffell the 80's bmx'r he ain't black | |||
"Ok I've made my point even if a lot of you on here won't accept it ! I'm not a racist , tho I shouldn't have to say that ! Thier shouldn't be any White , Black , or any other definition on any thing ! We are all Humans , and should all be Equal ! End Of !!!! Ps I guess that makes me a Racist then ? I saw a very good meme a while ago that explained equality.... There were 3 people trying to look over a fence but the were all different heights and only one could see over. The first solution was they were all given a stool of the same height... The first person towered over the fence, the second person could just peep over it, and the third person still couldn't see over it. The second solution was to give no stool to the first person because they didn't need it, a small stool to the second person, and a higher stool to the third. Equality isn't about giving everyone the same treatment, it is about everyone having the same outcome. Some people will need more help than others to achieve the same outcome as everyone else. " To me, that is still inequality. If somebody works for what they have, why should someone else simply be given things to make it equal? If we take race into consideration. On a wider scale. Why should one race be treated differently to another simply to ensure an equal outcome? Perhaps I'm missing something? but wouldn't favouring one person or one race to ensure equality in itself lead to inequality? I dislike talk of race particularly as it often leads to misunderstandings however, if we take the recent oscar nominations fiasco as an example. There was an outcry that more black nominations weren't received. Ok, all things being equal, same number of leading roles by black / white actors etc. Then theoretically, you'd expect a similar number of nominations. But consider that perhaps, the better actors within the last year were mainly white? Nothing to do with their colour, simply their acting ability. Should there now be allowances made for potentially sub par black actors to make it equal? Also, in the process of making it equal. You are in itself causing inequality. The 'best' should win no matter their colour or creed in this example. And to make allowances for any racial denomination is in itself racist is it not? Personally? I don't give a hoot. I just like a good debate. | |||
" Once again I say to you.... Equality is not treating everyone the same, it is giving everyone the same outcome. Evie I agree with all of the above(final paragraph apart) Although Not really relevant to the original post. Prior to the conseption of the MOBOs, How many people who perceive the name MOBOs as non racist Would perceive an awards ceremony named Music of white origin,as racist.(no matter the genre) I'm thinking the number would be substantial. The original post merely questioned this inconsistency. Thereby missing the point on why the inconsistency was and is necessary, and why it isn't racist. I got the point exactly Lickety. I just don't believe that practising racism, to counteract racism, is a good idea. If that's the best we've got, I fear for the future. You see it as practising racism and I see it as another attempt to disempower black people. The racism is systemic, not in the use of the word black but in the absence of the word white. The exclusion existed. I'd rather there had never been a colour bar. I'd rather that it was not necessary for black people to have to set awards specifically to recognise black achievement but it has been necessary and, frankly, it still is. Whoa!! at no point have I disagreed with the merit and necessity of the awards. I have merely stated,that if people would perceive awards, named music of white origin, As racist. Then they must also perceive awards named, Music of black origin,as racist. If you refuse to understand, That if one name is racist, Then logic,and common sense tells us,that the other name must also be racist. How you see this as another attempt to disempower black people,absolutely bamboozles me. by simply recognising this anomaly, many people will see me as racist. Even though,none of my posts, have been in any way detrimental to any other race. I can also assure you,nothing could be further from the truth. I'm disgusted,that by recognising such an obvious contradiction, people will tag me as such. But you're misunderstanding the fact that you can't simply reverse it! Yes, you would have a point *but only if* there'd been 100s of years of systemic disempowerment of white people, *only* then would your point have validity. By making it a direct equal comparison, as you are, misses the entire issue!! You are making a semantic argument that doesn't hold up in reality. That's the point we are countering. And the issue is that perpetuating that misconception can come across as racist, which I am sure is not your intent. " I'm just never going to understand how discriminating against one race,to benefit another, is going to solve the problem of racism. to be honest, I'm thinking it's more likely to perpetuate,than solve. In fact,I'm pretty sure that's how it all started. I sincerely hope I am wrong. | |||
