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"It seems to be one of the most insulting things you can say about another person these days!? Are we sometimes not just stating the obvious? I'm sure it never used to be like this! Or maybe I'm just old!
And fat
And yes I'm just stating the obvious "Well you hardly fit the bill.  | |||
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 Short and fat I may be but hypocrite, nah x | |||
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"as a descriptive word in its self it is not offensive however it is often not used as simply a descriptive word. fat fuck....fat bitch...lazy fat slob call me fat and i will agree with you, i am fat, call me lazy or try to pass judgement on my life because of my waistline, that is when i have an issue." Well said  | |||
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"You don't look fat to me OP. On Friday morning I received a message, a first message, saying I was short, fat and a fucking hypocrite as I'm looking for tall athletic build men . Needless to say he wasn't one of those Short and fat I may be but hypocrite, nah x"They obviously forgot the first fundamental human rule... don't be a dick! | |||
"It seems to be one of the most insulting things you can say about another person these days!?" I still thought it was "What a shit parent" Ne'er mind. As for "fat", it's not about fat, it's about body-confidence. I am short, bald, old, fearful of social situations and have dodgy teeth. If someone has a problem with that, I consider that their problem, not mine. I can't change who I am. (unless I were fat, ironically )
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"People will always be outraged by something. I still think it's how a person says it than the word itself. " Exactly. Same as all words. It's about context. | |||
"I'm not going to do the white night thing on the OP. I agree, that like me a few pounds could be lost without any harm being done. But similarly there are people on here who are "curvy" but compared to the OP they are taking the piss......." how are they taking the piss? | |||
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"It seems to be one of the most insulting things you can say about another person these days!? Are we sometimes not just stating the obvious? I'm sure it never used to be like this! Or maybe I'm just old!
And fat
And yes I'm just stating the obvious "Just looked at your pics & you're definitely NOT fat x | |||
"It seems to be one of the most insulting things you can say about another person these days!? Are we sometimes not just stating the obvious? I'm sure it never used to be like this! Or maybe I'm just old!
And fat
And yes I'm just stating the obvious "your not old and defo not fat, people are just rude these days for the sake if being rude | |||
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"People will always be outraged by something. I still think it's how a person says it than the word itself. " agreed 'fat' is used mailny as an insult whereas saying over weight is seen as more polite. its the intrntion behind the word i think | |||
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"It seems to be one of the most insulting things you can say about another person these days!? Are we sometimes not just stating the obvious? I'm sure it never used to be like this! Or maybe I'm just old!
And fat
And yes I'm just stating the obvious your not old and defo not fat, people are just rude these days for the sake if being rude "but if she says she is fat and people are just stating that she is fat, why are they being rude? | |||
"It seems to be one of the most insulting things you can say about another person these days!? Are we sometimes not just stating the obvious? I'm sure it never used to be like this! Or maybe I'm just old!
And fat
And yes I'm just stating the obvious "It's more the context and way it's said, my mates and myself can say I'm fat, but if it was intended as an insult the insulted would find out some fat people can move quite fast!! Then they could guess how fat I was when I sat on them! | |||
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"I don't think the word fat is insulting,I refer to my tummy as fat. What is insulting is the context the word is used in & the ensuing judgements." | |||
"as a descriptive word in its self it is not offensive however it is often not used as simply a descriptive word. fat fuck....fat bitch...lazy fat slob call me fat and i will agree with you, i am fat, call me lazy or try to pass judgement on my life because of my waistline, that is when i have an issue." | |||
"I'm not going to do the white night thing on the OP. I agree, that like me a few pounds could be lost without any harm being done. But similarly there are people on here who are "curvy" but compared to the OP they are taking the piss......." Because someone's curvy is someone else's ample or fabulous or large or any of the other limited choice of subjective euphemisms we get to pick from when describing ourselves. I'm curvy. I have pics. If someone can only be bothered to read my profile rather than looking at the pictures as well and realising that my curvy comes with considerable podge then they're the idiot who didn't do the most basic of fab homework and don't need to message me to tell me I've got my description wrong. Which has happened. Mind you, the same thing happened when I plumped for large. Maybe because I'm too short to be large since there's a height rather than purely size component to it as a description, much like curvy being a shape. | |||
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"*tip toes through*" At least you can tiptoe. I'm too much of a heffalump. And in Doc Martens. | |||
"*tip toes through*" Bundle!!!! | |||
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" This afternoon I had lunch in the park and there was this skinny woman sat next to me eating sugar snap peas, crudités and humus while her mop headed hessian wearing child was weaving a basket in the middle of the grass I was annoyed.. she was so loud and condisending the way she was loudly munching peas and shouting on crispin to weave properly or his trust fund would be cancelled. I couldn't move for these tree hugging hippy fucks Furious I was.. I left and kicked over a bin full of non-recyclables "I'm sure there is a joke in there somewhere.... I'm just struggling to find it  | |||
" This afternoon I had lunch in the park and there was this skinny woman sat next to me eating sugar snap peas, crudités and humus while her mop headed hessian wearing child was weaving a basket in the middle of the grass I was annoyed.. she was so loud and condisending the way she was loudly munching peas and shouting on crispin to weave properly or his trust fund would be cancelled. I couldn't move for these tree hugging hippy fucks Furious I was.. I left and kicked over a bin full of non-recyclables "
Bloody kid should've been running around and climbing trees.
And she should have been eating sugar-free peas.
String 'em up!
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" This afternoon I had lunch in the park and there was this skinny woman sat next to me eating sugar snap peas, crudités and humus while her mop headed hessian wearing child was weaving a basket in the middle of the grass I was annoyed.. she was so loud and condisending the way she was loudly munching peas and shouting on crispin to weave properly or his trust fund would be cancelled. I couldn't move for these tree hugging hippy fucks Furious I was.. I left and kicked over a bin full of non-recyclables
I'm sure there is a joke in there somewhere.... I'm just struggling to find it "Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. | |||
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Once I realised that I was overweight, I was able to do something about it.
My problem is that on both "sides" things are atcked against people losing weight/becming healthy. On the right on, hand-wringy side, fatties are encouraged to "learn to love themselves" and "accept WHO THEY ARE" (capitalisation intended). On the other side, the diet and fitness industry wants it to be hard to lose weight because firstly they want to sell you something (a diet plan, suppliments or a gym membership) and secondly, they feel that by making it suitably hard, you will feel like you have "achieved something" thus re-enforcing your newfound brand loyalty.
The sad thing is that for most people (notable exceptions being those with thyroid problems), losing weight isn't actually that hard. It's going to sound incredibly patronising and old-fashiomed, but eat less, move more. If you are doing this and not losing weight, eat less.
I don't think either side is particularly helpful. I was certainly not prepared to listen to hippy bullshit about "loving my size", because my size was fat bastard and apart from anything else, "fat bastard" is unhealthy. I'm also unwilling to buy bullshit supplements that pray on the fucking lazy or desparate (see: rasberry ketones).
The thing to understand is that it took you a while to become overweight, it'll take you a while to lose it.
I do worry about the state of the nation, fat-wise because, as I said, it isn't healthy and unlike smoking or drinking, there isn't an age limit on it, so it can be inflicted on children. Again, if your child is overweight, it is consuming too many calories. Some people have fater metabolisms than others, even though they might be related.
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" This afternoon I had lunch in the park and there was this skinny woman sat next to me eating sugar snap peas, crudités and humus while her mop headed hessian wearing child was weaving a basket in the middle of the grass I was annoyed.. she was so loud and condisending the way she was loudly munching peas and shouting on crispin to weave properly or his trust fund would be cancelled. I couldn't move for these tree hugging hippy fucks Furious I was.. I left and kicked over a bin full of non-recyclables
Bloody kid should've been running around and climbing trees.
And she should have been eating sugar-free peas.
String 'em up!
"I did with his own poorly completed basket | |||
"In contrast, all my life I have been told I am too thin. I was bullied as a child for it! I am still very petite and it's just the way I am made. But it is interesting how many people will happily offer they opinion even they it isn't called for! Most people would consider it rude to tell someone they are too fat and should lose weight but they don't flinch at telling me I am too thin and should put on weight! " It goes both ways. I hate it when some one tells me I need to put on weight. | |||
"as a descriptive word in its self it is not offensive however it is often not used as simply a descriptive word. fat fuck....fat bitch...lazy fat slob call me fat and i will agree with you, i am fat, call me lazy or try to pass judgement on my life because of my waistline, that is when i have an issue."
It is how it is used that is the problem, for me.
I always describe myself as short, fat and old. I am all of those things. I don't see it as denigrating myself in any way and I am not looking for people to respond with euphemisms that basically mean 'fat'.
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" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. " I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads? | |||
"In contrast, all my life I have been told I am too thin. I was bullied as a child for it! I am still very petite and it's just the way I am made. But it is interesting how many people will happily offer they opinion even they it isn't called for! Most people would consider it rude to tell someone they are too fat and should lose weight but they don't flinch at telling me I am too thin and should put on weight! It goes both ways. I hate it when some one tells me I need to put on weight. " Agreed. I am Def not thin but do get the occasional derogatory message. Fat, thin....who cares and who is anyone to judge another...just have fun  | |||
" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads?" One persons shared observation constitutes "everyone" jeez keep up dude | |||
"In contrast, all my life I have been told I am too thin. I was bullied as a child for it! I am still very petite and it's just the way I am made. But it is interesting how many people will happily offer they opinion even they it isn't called for! Most people would consider it rude to tell someone they are too fat and should lose weight but they don't flinch at telling me I am too thin and should put on weight! " Body size and looks seem to be game for anyone to comment on. | |||
" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads?" The person was eating in a public place. Of course people are going to look at you in public and it's odd that you expect them to do otherwise. People notice other peoples, clothes, haircuts, smells etc etc. | |||
"In contrast, all my life I have been told I am too thin. I was bullied as a child for it! I am still very petite and it's just the way I am made. But it is interesting how many people will happily offer they opinion even they it isn't called for! Most people would consider it rude to tell someone they are too fat and should lose weight but they don't flinch at telling me I am too thin and should put on weight! It goes both ways. I hate it when some one tells me I need to put on weight. " I go to slimming world, they look at me and always ask why I am there. "You don't need to lose any more weight" Well no, but I don't want to get back to where I was either. Body shaming works both ways right? | |||
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I had a burger and a milkshake today.....i loved it!  | |||
"In contrast, all my life I have been told I am too thin. I was bullied as a child for it! I am still very petite and it's just the way I am made. But it is interesting how many people will happily offer they opinion even they it isn't called for! Most people would consider it rude to tell someone they are too fat and should lose weight but they don't flinch at telling me I am too thin and should put on weight! It goes both ways. I hate it when some one tells me I need to put on weight. I go to slimming world, they look at me and always ask why I am there. "You don't need to lose any more weight" Well no, but I don't want to get back to where I was either. Body shaming works both ways right? " Correct and likewise the people involved shouldn't give a fuck. Be happy in yourself
Getting arsey about some subjects because it has a vague connection to a personal insecurity is bullshit, there's many other subjects that don't link to people and they don't get arsey about them | |||
" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads? One persons shared observation constitutes "everyone" jeez keep up dude " Well I was the only one who seemed to find it weird, so it's a logical conclusion. And the looks of disgust you get as a fat person eating, from complete strangers, tell me it's not exactly uncommon. | |||
"Having just read through a few threads.....I love these forums
I had a burger and a milkshake today.....i loved it! "And that's why you have a wonderfully oiled bum | |||
"Having just read through a few threads.....I love these forums
I had a burger and a milkshake today.....i loved it! "Ah but you're in your early 20's, that fast metabolism doesn't last forever | |||
" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads? The person was eating in a public place. Of course people are going to look at you in public and it's odd that you expect them to do otherwise. People notice other peoples, clothes, haircuts, smells etc etc. " Look at you, memorise every thing you've eaten, make a judgement on your value as a person and then tell a load of people on the Internet about it later? Clearly I'm in the minority here, I dont think that's normal behaviour. | |||
" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads? The person was eating in a public place. Of course people are going to look at you in public and it's odd that you expect them to do otherwise. People notice other peoples, clothes, haircuts, smells etc etc. " Yeah but we don't all feel the need to start judgemental threads on swinging forums about it then get pissy when people question us about our observations. | |||
"In contrast, all my life I have been told I am too thin. I was bullied as a child for it! I am still very petite and it's just the way I am made. But it is interesting how many people will happily offer they opinion even they it isn't called for! Most people would consider it rude to tell someone they are too fat and should lose weight but they don't flinch at telling me I am too thin and should put on weight! It goes both ways. I hate it when some one tells me I need to put on weight. I go to slimming world, they look at me and always ask why I am there. "You don't need to lose any more weight" Well no, but I don't want to get back to where I was either. Body shaming works both ways right? Correct and likewise the people involved shouldn't give a fuck. Be happy in yourself
Getting arsey about some subjects because it has a vague connection to a personal insecurity is bullshit, there's many other subjects that don't link to people and they don't get arsey about them "Oh I couldn't care less what anyone thinks. I'm very happy and confident with who I am now. If people don't like me they don't need to look | |||
" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads? One persons shared observation constitutes "everyone" jeez keep up dude Well I was the only one who seemed to find it weird, so it's a logical conclusion. And the looks of disgust you get as a fat person eating, from complete strangers, tell me it's not exactly uncommon. " But ruby, I don't think that was the case. There was an implication of sadness for the little kid as defined by the thread title and the link to the mother was an implied reasoning as that's why the kid was like she was, ie not her fault. It wasn't in a mocking way. It was observational | |||
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" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads? One persons shared observation constitutes "everyone" jeez keep up dude Well I was the only one who seemed to find it weird, so it's a logical conclusion. And the looks of disgust you get as a fat person eating, from complete strangers, tell me it's not exactly uncommon. But ruby, I don't think that was the case. There was an implication of sadness for the little kid as defined by the thread title and the link to the mother was an implied reasoning as that's why the kid was like she was, ie not her fault. It wasn't in a mocking way. It was observational " I don't think we were reading the same thread lol | |||
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"In contrast, all my life I have been told I am too thin. I was bullied as a child for it! I am still very petite and it's just the way I am made. But it is interesting how many people will happily offer they opinion even they it isn't called for! Most people would consider it rude to tell someone they are too fat and should lose weight but they don't flinch at telling me I am too thin and should put on weight! It goes both ways. I hate it when some one tells me I need to put on weight. I go to slimming world, they look at me and always ask why I am there. "You don't need to lose any more weight" Well no, but I don't want to get back to where I was either. Body shaming works both ways right? Correct and likewise the people involved shouldn't give a fuck. Be happy in yourself
Getting arsey about some subjects because it has a vague connection to a personal insecurity is bullshit, there's many other subjects that don't link to people and they don't get arsey about them
Oh I couldn't care less what anyone thinks. I'm very happy and confident with who I am now. If people don't like me they don't need to look "Too late already looked | |||
"Look at you, memorise every thing you've eaten, make a judgement on your value as a person and then tell a load of people on the Internet about it later? Clearly I'm in the minority here, I dont think that's normal behaviour." I don't either but in reality we have to wonder why someone is concerned with what other people are eating. Are you concerned what others eat? Me neither | |||
"In contrast, all my life I have been told I am too thin. I was bullied as a child for it! I am still very petite and it's just the way I am made. But it is interesting how many people will happily offer they opinion even they it isn't called for! Most people would consider it rude to tell someone they are too fat and should lose weight but they don't flinch at telling me I am too thin and should put on weight! It goes both ways. I hate it when some one tells me I need to put on weight. I go to slimming world, they look at me and always ask why I am there. "You don't need to lose any more weight" Well no, but I don't want to get back to where I was either. Body shaming works both ways right? Correct and likewise the people involved shouldn't give a fuck. Be happy in yourself
Getting arsey about some subjects because it has a vague connection to a personal insecurity is bullshit, there's many other subjects that don't link to people and they don't get arsey about them
Oh I couldn't care less what anyone thinks. I'm very happy and confident with who I am now. If people don't like me they don't need to look
Too late already looked "Eye bleach is available on the way out | |||
" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads? One persons shared observation constitutes "everyone" jeez keep up dude Well I was the only one who seemed to find it weird, so it's a logical conclusion. And the looks of disgust you get as a fat person eating, from complete strangers, tell me it's not exactly uncommon. But ruby, I don't think that was the case. There was an implication of sadness for the little kid as defined by the thread title and the link to the mother was an implied reasoning as that's why the kid was like she was, ie not her fault. It wasn't in a mocking way. It was observational " I disagree, I read it as entirely mocking. Otherwise why the need to go into such detail? And comment on the woman's personal hygiene? Childhood obesity is a serious issue, but that's not the discussion that was being set up by such posts. | |||
" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads? The person was eating in a public place. Of course people are going to look at you in public and it's odd that you expect them to do otherwise. People notice other peoples, clothes, haircuts, smells etc etc. Look at you, memorise every thing you've eaten, make a judgement on your value as a person and then tell a load of people on the Internet about it later? Clearly I'm in the minority here, I dont think that's normal behaviour." Is it typical/common behaviour? Yes. Is it is civilised/sane behaviour? No. Depends on the definition of normal. | |||
" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads? The person was eating in a public place. Of course people are going to look at you in public and it's odd that you expect them to do otherwise. People notice other peoples, clothes, haircuts, smells etc etc. Look at you, memorise every thing you've eaten, make a judgement on your value as a person and then tell a load of people on the Internet about it later? Clearly I'm in the minority here, I dont think that's normal behaviour." I imagine that I'd find someone nomming a fuck off pie in the viewing area of a swimming pool odd enough to stick in my head. Less so, stuff from the vending machine. I'd barely notice it in a bakery. It's context. I think that the actual point of that thread was the child. Would you notice if a different mum was a smoker and letting her kid smoke? | |||
" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads? One persons shared observation constitutes "everyone" jeez keep up dude Well I was the only one who seemed to find it weird, so it's a logical conclusion. And the looks of disgust you get as a fat person eating, from complete strangers, tell me it's not exactly uncommon. But ruby, I don't think that was the case. There was an implication of sadness for the little kid as defined by the thread title and the link to the mother was an implied reasoning as that's why the kid was like she was, ie not her fault. It wasn't in a mocking way. It was observational I disagree, I read it as entirely mocking. Otherwise why the need to go into such detail? And comment on the woman's personal hygiene? Childhood obesity is a serious issue, but that's not the discussion that was being set up by such posts. " I agree it is a serious issue, but at the end of the day there was no personal details or anything said directly to the woman and it was described as a rationale for the problems of this unfortunate kid. So why take such offence? | |||
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" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads? One persons shared observation constitutes "everyone" jeez keep up dude Well I was the only one who seemed to find it weird, so it's a logical conclusion. And the looks of disgust you get as a fat person eating, from complete strangers, tell me it's not exactly uncommon. But ruby, I don't think that was the case. There was an implication of sadness for the little kid as defined by the thread title and the link to the mother was an implied reasoning as that's why the kid was like she was, ie not her fault. It wasn't in a mocking way. It was observational " I don't think there was any implication of sadness at all. I felt the thread was mocking and went on further than just mocking to be honest I felt it was quite abusive. | |||
"Having just read through a few threads.....I love these forums
I had a burger and a milkshake today.....i loved it! "We had all you can eat buffet... but it's not something you can do every day and get what you need. Food should be enjoyed. Judging someone eating something fattening when you see them as fat tends to be more negative than seeing someone you see as a healthy weight. None of us knows which of those two is fat on the inside or has the good brown fat. Yes, being overweight has health issues but weight is often psychological and going on a diet doesn't affect that and unless you address it you'll just gain the weight back and more. I know why I am fat. I know why I choose not to lose weight. I know what level of fat I am willing to carry around. I also know the circumstances which allow me to lose weight. Make your judgments - everyone does it to some extent - just don't assume you know what is going on for that individual. | |||
" Well today I learned everyone watches what everyone else eats and makes value judgements about their lives based on it, so I'm struggling to find it too. I'm not sure why it was any different to the other people watching threads? One persons shared observation constitutes "everyone" jeez keep up dude Well I was the only one who seemed to find it weird, so it's a logical conclusion. And the looks of disgust you get as a fat person eating, from complete strangers, tell me it's not exactly uncommon. But ruby, I don't think that was the case. There was an implication of sadness for the little kid as defined by the thread title and the link to the mother was an implied reasoning as that's why the kid was like she was, ie not her fault. It wasn't in a mocking way. It was observational I disagree, I read it as entirely mocking. Otherwise why the need to go into such detail? And comment on the woman's personal hygiene? Childhood obesity is a serious issue, but that's not the discussion that was being set up by such posts. I agree it is a serious issue, but at the end of the day there was no personal details or anything said directly to the woman and it was described as a rationale for the problems of this unfortunate kid. So why take such offence? " Because offence was clearly intended towards all the disgusting fat people who stuff their faces and are smelly and lazy and weak and [insert additional character traits which are apparently directly proportional to your weight]. | |||
"Look at you, memorise every thing you've eaten, make a judgement on your value as a person and then tell a load of people on the Internet about it later? Clearly I'm in the minority here, I dont think that's normal behaviour." What is normal? There are elements to F&S that I recognise in myself, so I understand exactly where she is coming from. I like logic and order and everything being in its place. When it isn't, I notice it. Whether that is my problem or the other person's problem is down to how we see ourselves, and how much we have accepted who we are. As a third party, it is only your problem if you choose to let it be. | |||
"It seems to be one of the most insulting things you can say about another person these days!? Are we sometimes not just stating the obvious? I'm sure it never used to be like this! Or maybe I'm just old!
And fat
And yes I'm just stating
the obvious "Well having been insulted many times by many people, i have to say being called fat,apart from being true,didn't really sting that much A meet describing me as looking like a bag of shit tied up with a string,now that did kind of rankle slightly!!!  | |||
"Look at you, memorise every thing you've eaten, make a judgement on your value as a person and then tell a load of people on the Internet about it later? Clearly I'm in the minority here, I dont think that's normal behaviour. What is normal? There are elements to F&S that I recognise in myself, so I understand exactly where she is coming from. I like logic and order and everything being in its place. When it isn't, I notice it. Whether that is my problem or the other person's problem is down to how we see ourselves, and how much we have accepted who we are. As a third party, it is only your problem if you choose to let it be. " I have a hundred judgmental, detailed thoughts a day. I fucking keep them to myself. | |||
"Because offence was clearly intended towards all the disgusting fat people who stuff their faces and are smelly and lazy and weak and [insert additional character traits which are apparently directly proportional to your weight]. " I saw it that way too. Though I decided to stay out of it because I know those judgments can be very wrong. | |||
Nobody generalised or took it to mean every overweight person has destroyed the world
Fk me I need a drink... wish I hadn't got involved
For the record.. I prefer ladies with a bit of meat on the bones.. just in case I'm accused of generalising | |||
"Look at you, memorise every thing you've eaten, make a judgement on your value as a person and then tell a load of people on the Internet about it later? Clearly I'm in the minority here, I dont think that's normal behaviour. What is normal? There are elements to F&S that I recognise in myself, so I understand exactly where she is coming from. I like logic and order and everything being in its place. When it isn't, I notice it. Whether that is my problem or the other person's problem is down to how we see ourselves, and how much we have accepted who we are. As a third party, it is only your problem if you choose to let it be. I have a hundred judgmental, detailed thoughts a day. I fucking keep them to myself." You do? | |||
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"Because offence was clearly intended towards all the disgusting fat people who stuff their faces and are smelly and lazy and weak and [insert additional character traits which are apparently directly proportional to your weight]. I saw it that way too. Though I decided to stay out of it because I know those judgments can be very wrong." I did too. Also staying out of this one, other than to agree. Off to find a more lighthearted thread... Or just check my messages, because there are a lot of depressing things on the forums of late. | |||
"Look at you, memorise every thing you've eaten, make a judgement on your value as a person and then tell a load of people on the Internet about it later? Clearly I'm in the minority here, I dont think that's normal behaviour. What is normal? There are elements to F&S that I recognise in myself, so I understand exactly where she is coming from. I like logic and order and everything being in its place. When it isn't, I notice it. Whether that is my problem or the other person's problem is down to how we see ourselves, and how much we have accepted who we are. As a third party, it is only your problem if you choose to let it be. I have a hundred judgmental, detailed thoughts a day. I fucking keep them to myself." I have a sneaky feeling a couple may have escaped?
NB: ie "please don't kill me"
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" I disagree, I read it as entirely mocking. Otherwise why the need to go into such detail? And comment on the woman's personal hygiene? Childhood obesity is a serious issue, but that's not the discussion that was being set up by such posts. I agree it is a serious issue, but at the end of the day there was no personal details or anything said directly to the woman and it was described as a rationale for the problems of this unfortunate kid. So why take such offence? Because offence was clearly intended towards all the disgusting fat people who stuff their faces and are smelly and lazy and weak and [insert additional character traits which are apparently directly proportional to your weight]. " I haven't seen the other thread but just on the smell comment, I have been told I don't smell like a fat person. I didn't realise we all share a certain smell.
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"Look at you, memorise every thing you've eaten, make a judgement on your value as a person and then tell a load of people on the Internet about it later? Clearly I'm in the minority here, I dont think that's normal behaviour. What is normal? There are elements to F&S that I recognise in myself, so I understand exactly where she is coming from. I like logic and order and everything being in its place. When it isn't, I notice it. Whether that is my problem or the other person's problem is down to how we see ourselves, and how much we have accepted who we are. As a third party, it is only your problem if you choose to let it be. I have a hundred judgmental, detailed thoughts a day. I fucking keep them to myself." You didn't though, you called me rude and "fucking weird" I didn't say the woman was disgusting, I said she was huge (factual observation as she wasn't small) I said she was bumping of b.o, was either her or the pasty she was eating, was a sensory observation this time as the smell invaded my nostrils that were busy minding their own business and enjoying the smell of chlorine before she came in. | |||
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I started this thread to try and make light of everyone getting so offended at the taboo word "fat"
I agree that it is taken the way it is intended - but maybe we all need to get a grip and realise that a few extra pounds isn't the worst thing in the world!
Especially you Ruby!
Unless your pics are fake then you are one of the best looking women on here so shut it!
( said with humour and forum luuurve )
I'm female and would love to not love cake and wine and have the willpower of steel, go to the gym every day and not eat between meals - but I'm not that person so I'm a bit chubby!
Fuck it - we're all on here to find people we do find sexy and beautiful in our eyes!
Who gives a fuck what the ones that don't find us attractive think!
We can't appeal to everyone and we can't gag people or shoot them
Love x | |||
"Oh dear
I started this thread to try and make light of everyone getting so offended at the taboo word "fat"
I agree that it is taken the way it is intended - but maybe we all need to get a grip and realise that a few extra pounds isn't the worst thing in the world!
Especially you Ruby!
Unless your pics are fake then you are one of the best looking women on here so shut it!
( said with humour and forum luuurve )
I'm female and would love to not love cake and wine and have the willpower of steel, go to the gym every day and not eat between meals - but I'm not that person so I'm a bit chubby!
Fuck it - we're all on here to find people we do find sexy and beautiful in our eyes!
Who gives a fuck what the ones that don't find us attractive think!
We can't appeal to everyone and we can't gag people or shoot them
Love x"Careful... having an opinion or offering an alternative view, with compliment or not will get you blocked.. serious humour and debate bypass tonight | |||
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"It's only insulting if you really aren't fat but I'd you are like me just accept it and if your not happy about been called fat go to the gym or diet simple." NO! It's insulting when someone aims to insult you. | |||
"Oh dear
I started this thread to try and make light of everyone getting so offended at the taboo word "fat"
I agree that it is taken the way it is intended - but maybe we all need to get a grip and realise that a few extra pounds isn't the worst thing in the world!
Especially you Ruby!
Unless your pics are fake then you are one of the best looking women on here so shut it!
( said with humour and forum luuurve )
I'm female and would love to not love cake and wine and have the willpower of steel, go to the gym every day and not eat between meals - but I'm not that person so I'm a bit chubby!
Fuck it - we're all on here to find people we do find sexy and beautiful in our eyes!
Who gives a fuck what the ones that don't find us attractive think!
We can't appeal to everyone and we can't gag people or shoot them
Love x
Careful... having an opinion or offering an alternative view, with compliment or not will get you blocked.. serious humour and debate bypass tonight "Just keeping your eyes safe from my disgusting fat body | |||
"I used to get very upset when people called me fat, mainly because at the time I wasn't but felt as though I was. Now I am and I think I've got past caring "Not at all... you have cool hairy, nice curves and sexy frilly knickers | |||
"Look at you, memorise every thing you've eaten, make a judgement on your value as a person and then tell a load of people on the Internet about it later? Clearly I'm in the minority here, I dont think that's normal behaviour. What is normal? There are elements to F&S that I recognise in myself, so I understand exactly where she is coming from. I like logic and order and everything being in its place. When it isn't, I notice it. Whether that is my problem or the other person's problem is down to how we see ourselves, and how much we have accepted who we are. As a third party, it is only your problem if you choose to let it be. I have a hundred judgmental, detailed thoughts a day. I fucking keep them to myself. You didn't though, you called me rude and "fucking weird" I didn't say the woman was disgusting, I said she was huge (factual observation as she wasn't small) I said she was bumping of b.o, was either her or the pasty she was eating, was a sensory observation this time as the smell invaded my nostrils that were busy minding their own business and enjoying the smell of chlorine before she came in. " You're right, I did. And I was completely correct. | |||
"I used to get very upset when people called me fat, mainly because at the time I wasn't but felt as though I was. Now I am and I think I've got past caring "I KNOW part of the reason I AM fat is because I used to be called fat when I was a size 8/10. I 'felt' fat then. Now that I am a size 16/18 I know I am fat but don't really 'feel' fat anymore as I am more comfortable with my body and who I am. | |||
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"Oh dear
I started this thread to try and make light of everyone getting so offended at the taboo word "fat"
I agree that it is taken the way it is intended - but maybe we all need to get a grip and realise that a few extra pounds isn't the worst thing in the world!
Especially you Ruby!
Unless your pics are fake then you are one of the best looking women on here so shut it!
( said with humour and forum luuurve )
I'm female and would love to not love cake and wine and have the willpower of steel, go to the gym every day and not eat between meals - but I'm not that person so I'm a bit chubby!
Fuck it - we're all on here to find people we do find sexy and beautiful in our eyes!
Who gives a fuck what the ones that don't find us attractive think!
We can't appeal to everyone and we can't gag people or shoot them
Love x
Careful... having an opinion or offering an alternative view, with compliment or not will get you blocked.. serious humour and debate bypass tonight
Just keeping your eyes safe from my disgusting fat body "You really have missed my point, I was just offering an alternative view. I already said I like curvy woman and I have fabbed your pictures before. I even pmd you once when you posted the ladder one and said it was very sexy. This is totally blown out of proportion and become personalised. | |||
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"Look at you, memorise every thing you've eaten, make a judgement on your value as a person and then tell a load of people on the Internet about it later? Clearly I'm in the minority here, I dont think that's normal behaviour. What is normal? There are elements to F&S that I recognise in myself, so I understand exactly where she is coming from. I like logic and order and everything being in its place. When it isn't, I notice it. Whether that is my problem or the other person's problem is down to how we see ourselves, and how much we have accepted who we are. As a third party, it is only your problem if you choose to let it be. I have a hundred judgmental, detailed thoughts a day. I fucking keep them to myself. You didn't though, you called me rude and "fucking weird" I didn't say the woman was disgusting, I said she was huge (factual observation as she wasn't small) I said she was bumping of b.o, was either her or the pasty she was eating, was a sensory observation this time as the smell invaded my nostrils that were busy minding their own business and enjoying the smell of chlorine before she came in. You're right, I did. And I was completely correct." Hush now, it's ok, I understand you're just lashing out and you like me really | |||
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"Hush now, it's ok, I understand you're just lashing out and you like me really "Obesity is a massive issue, but y'know, nobody is allowed to look at what other people are eating or point out that they're fat incase they take offense.
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"Hush now, it's ok, I understand you're just lashing out and you like me really
Obesity is a massive issue, but y'know, nobody is allowed to look at what other people are eating or point out that they're fat incase they take offense.
"Obesity is an issue which has been discussed hundreds of times on here in a civil manner. What you are referring to was not one of those threads, it was a sweeping generalisation full of preconceived judgments. | |||
"Obesity is an issue which has been discussed hundreds of times on here in a civil manner. What you are referring to was not one of those threads, it was a sweeping generalisation full of preconceived judgments." Disagree. It wasn't a sweeping generalisation. She was fat, kid was fat. She was eating a tonne of junk food. Where's the preconceived? Shovelling food like that isn't a thyroid issue. Unless the issue lies with really slow metabolism, very fast pie arm. This is a topic which really gets to me. You see it everywhere, large women posting on social media about skinny women, curves and "real men like curves" It's perfectly acceptable to tell a skinny woman that she should put on weight, but suggesting that someone put down the fork for a bit is offensive? | |||
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"Hush now, it's ok, I understand you're just lashing out and you like me really
Obesity is a massive issue, but y'know, nobody is allowed to look at what other people are eating or point out that they're fat incase they take offense.
Obesity is an issue which has been discussed hundreds of times on here in a civil manner.
What you are referring to was not one of those threads, it was a sweeping generalisation full of preconceived judgments."It was a pretty obvious judgement though, child was very very overweight, child's mother was also very very overweight and eating unhealthy food, you could see that's why the child was the way she was. The same as if an adult was swearing and then their kid said the F word, you'd make the same connection. Plus I stand by what I originally said and I do think it's cruel on the child if they become overweight because of their parents actions. | |||
"Obesity is an issue which has been discussed hundreds of times on here in a civil manner. What you are referring to was not one of those threads, it was a sweeping generalisation full of preconceived judgments. Disagree. It wasn't a sweeping generalisation. She was fat, kid was fat. She was eating a tonne of junk food. Where's the preconceived? Shovelling food like that isn't a thyroid issue. Unless the issue lies with really slow metabolism, very fast pie arm. This is a topic which really gets to me. You see it everywhere, large women posting on social media about skinny women, curves and "real men like curves" It's perfectly acceptable to tell a skinny woman that she should put on weight, but suggesting that someone put down the fork for a bit is offensive?" *leaves the thread... wants drama free day | |||
"Obesity is an issue which has been discussed hundreds of times on here in a civil manner. What you are referring to was not one of those threads, it was a sweeping generalisation full of preconceived judgments. Disagree. It wasn't a sweeping generalisation. She was fat, kid was fat. She was eating a tonne of junk food. Where's the preconceived? Shovelling food like that isn't a thyroid issue. Unless the issue lies with really slow metabolism, very fast pie arm. This is a topic which really gets to me. You see it everywhere, large women posting on social media about skinny women, curves and "real men like curves" It's perfectly acceptable to tell a skinny woman that she should put on weight, but suggesting that someone put down the fork for a bit is offensive?" Who said it was perfectly acceptable? | |||
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"Obesity is an issue which has been discussed hundreds of times on here in a civil manner. What you are referring to was not one of those threads, it was a sweeping generalisation full of preconceived judgments. Disagree. It wasn't a sweeping generalisation. She was fat, kid was fat. She was eating a tonne of junk food. Where's the preconceived? Shovelling food like that isn't a thyroid issue. Unless the issue lies with really slow metabolism, very fast pie arm. This is a topic which really gets to me. You see it everywhere, large women posting on social media about skinny women, curves and "real men like curves" It's perfectly acceptable to tell a skinny woman that she should put on weight, but suggesting that someone put down the fork for a bit is offensive?" The preconceived judgments were further down the thread, parenting as a whole as opposed to the child being overweight. And body shaming either way isn't acceptable. | |||
"Obesity is an issue which has been discussed hundreds of times on here in a civil manner. What you are referring to was not one of those threads, it was a sweeping generalisation full of preconceived judgments. Disagree. It wasn't a sweeping generalisation. She was fat, kid was fat. She was eating a tonne of junk food. Where's the preconceived? Shovelling food like that isn't a thyroid issue. Unless the issue lies with really slow metabolism, very fast pie arm. This is a topic which really gets to me. You see it everywhere, large women posting on social media about skinny women, curves and "real men like curves" It's perfectly acceptable to tell a skinny woman that she should put on weight, but suggesting that someone put down the fork for a bit is offensive?" What if she over eats because of her background, she's had a horrid home life and she's trying to make herself bigger to hide somehow from society? Which yes is an oxymoron but makes sense as well. She needs help not judging. | |||
"What if she over eats because of her background, she's had a horrid home life and she's trying to make herself bigger to hide somehow from society? Which yes is an oxymoron but makes sense as well. She needs help not judging. " I understand this better than most, ironically. Having suffered from bulimia in the past - constantly had people telling me I need to eat more, that I need to put on weight. Again, perfectly acceptable. But offering help by saying "Look, love. You should really stop eating junk and feeding your kid on a diet of sugar and e numbers" will bring around a crusade of "love your body" social justice warriors. Are you saying that every single overweight person in the UK (more than half of the population) are comfort eating? | |||
"Just my view on this. We all judge, it's a natural thing. Many of us talk about it after, especially if it resonates with us. We're not all going to agree with each other. That's life. It's Monday, let's move on..." | |||
"Hush now, it's ok, I understand you're just lashing out and you like me really
Obesity is a massive issue, but y'know, nobody is allowed to look at what other people are eating or point out that they're fat incase they take offense.
Obesity is an issue which has been discussed hundreds of times on here in a civil manner.
What you are referring to was not one of those threads, it was a sweeping generalisation full of preconceived judgments.
It was a pretty obvious judgement though, child was very very overweight, child's mother was also very very overweight and eating unhealthy food, you could see that's why the child was the way she was. The same as if an adult was swearing and then their kid said the F word, you'd make the same connection. Plus I stand by what I originally said and I do think it's cruel on the child if they become overweight because of their parents actions. "But there's way more to it than just saying they're actions are cruel. That mother was a child herself so who's to blame for her weight, her mum the child's grandma? Child cruelty is one subject, learned behaviour & help re-educating people into making healthy food choices is another. | |||
"What if she over eats because of her background, she's had a horrid home life and she's trying to make herself bigger to hide somehow from society? Which yes is an oxymoron but makes sense as well. She needs help not judging. I understand this better than most, ironically. Having suffered from bulimia in the past - constantly had people telling me I need to eat more, that I need to put on weight. Again, perfectly acceptable. But offering help by saying "Look, love. You should really stop eating junk and feeding your kid on a diet of sugar and e numbers" will bring around a crusade of "love your body" social justice warriors. Are you saying that every single overweight person in the UK (more than half of the population) are comfort eating?" No, I'm saying she could be, we don't know, do we? There later lots of psychology to why some people are overweight and there are some medical problems. PCOS for one that makes losing weight difficult. Exercise is key too, but do you think that lady would want to swim where her child did, if she read that other thread? | |||
"I was certainly not prepared to listen to hippy bullshit about "loving my size", because my size was fat bastard and apart from anything else, "fat bastard" is unhealthy." The point of the "hippy bullshit" is to counteract the scapegoating and self-hatred propagated by body-policing. This is not simply a fat-shaming issue - as people have chimed in, many get told off for being "too thin" also. People pretend that their policing is because of health concerns but in actuality these "concerns" are a smoke screen for intolerance, prejudice and oppressive tendencies. You can be overweight and healthy or average weight and unhealthy, everybody knows this but the overweight and obese make an easy target for scapegoating. What is an unhealthy weight is rather arbitrary. For example in my late teens and early 20s I was constantly berated and micromanaged because of my excess weight (even by strangers), whereas now as a middle-aged mother with a thyroid problem I am complimented on - same weight, same body type and shape. I may have needed to exercise more and eat less (I still do!), but I certainly did not need the unsympathetic commentary and resulting confidence knocks. I was cured of this malady once I realised that most people were negative about my actual body shape rather than my weight in itself - my big fat butt was too offensive to middle-class sensitivities. You were obese and took steps to improve your health, this is commendable and your pride is justified. But in approaching the weight-losing process in its "move more, eat less" simplicity you line up with the idea that extra weight is lack of discipline, a moral flaw. Licketysplits described more accurately the complications of weight management, for those who have a problem. To tell obese people to lose weight is like telling clinically depressed people to "cheer up". Rant over! | |||
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"I *have* fat, it doesn't mean I *am* fat. I also have fingernails. Doesn't mean I *am* fingernails. " I have hair this means I'm hairy. | |||
"I was certainly not prepared to listen to hippy bullshit about "loving my size", because my size was fat bastard and apart from anything else, "fat bastard" is unhealthy. The point of the "hippy bullshit" is to counteract the scapegoating and self-hatred propagated by body-policing. This is not simply a fat-shaming issue - as people have chimed in, many get told off for being "too thin" also. People pretend that their policing is because of health concerns but in actuality these "concerns" are a smoke screen for intolerance, prejudice and oppressive tendencies. You can be overweight and healthy or average weight and unhealthy, everybody knows this but the overweight and obese make an easy target for scapegoating. What is an unhealthy weight is rather arbitrary. For example in my late teens and early 20s I was constantly berated and micromanaged because of my excess weight (even by strangers), whereas now as a middle-aged mother with a thyroid problem I am complimented on - same weight, same body type and shape. I may have needed to exercise more and eat less (I still do!), but I certainly did not need the unsympathetic commentary and resulting confidence knocks. I was cured of this malady once I realised that most people were negative about my actual body shape rather than my weight in itself - my big fat butt was too offensive to middle-class sensitivities. You were obese and took steps to improve your health, this is commendable and your pride is justified. But in approaching the weight-losing process in its "move more, eat less" simplicity you line up with the idea that extra weight is lack of discipline, a moral flaw. Licketysplits described more accurately the complications of weight management, for those who have a problem. To tell obese people to lose weight is like telling clinically depressed people to "cheer up". Rant over!" | |||
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"I was certainly not prepared to listen to hippy bullshit about "loving my size", because my size was fat bastard and apart from anything else, "fat bastard" is unhealthy. The point of the "hippy bullshit" is to counteract the scapegoating and self-hatred propagated by body-policing. This is not simply a fat-shaming issue - as people have chimed in, many get told off for being "too thin" also. People pretend that their policing is because of health concerns but in actuality these "concerns" are a smoke screen for intolerance, prejudice and oppressive tendencies. You can be overweight and healthy or average weight and unhealthy, everybody knows this but the overweight and obese make an easy target for scapegoating. What is an unhealthy weight is rather arbitrary. For example in my late teens and early 20s I was constantly berated and micromanaged because of my excess weight (even by strangers), whereas now as a middle-aged mother with a thyroid problem I am complimented on - same weight, same body type and shape. I may have needed to exercise more and eat less (I still do!), but I certainly did not need the unsympathetic commentary and resulting confidence knocks. I was cured of this malady once I realised that most people were negative about my actual body shape rather than my weight in itself - my big fat butt was too offensive to middle-class sensitivities. You were obese and took steps to improve your health, this is commendable and your pride is justified. But in approaching the weight-losing process in its "move more, eat less" simplicity you line up with the idea that extra weight is lack of discipline, a moral flaw. Licketysplits described more accurately the complications of weight management, for those who have a problem. To tell obese people to lose weight is like telling clinically depressed people to "cheer up". Rant over!" No bean eating sandal wearing new age man going to delve into his sexualy equal man purse and squeal,'you go girrl' to that? Curious, there in every other thread, early days yet tho | |||
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"I don't think loving yourbody necessarily means love being overweight, it just means love yourself. Unless you learn to love yourself you are never going to want to make changes happen. I joined every slimming club going but they never worked because i wasn't in the right mindset. I didn't love myself and so couldn't see what benefit there was to doing anything to change myself. I am now almost 3 stone lighter and am about to run my second half marathon at the weekend because I learnt to love myself and allowed myself to want to change. Also.... Eat less move more is bullshit. Eat right move more is more accurate. " That's amazing! You're right, you have to love yourself. This is where people get confused on the body confidence front. It's not promoting obesity or bad lifestyle choices. It's saying you should love your body no matter what its current state is. We don't know why someone is bigger. We shouldn't judge them on it. | |||
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"I *have* fat, it doesn't mean I *am* fat. I also have fingernails. Doesn't mean I *am* fingernails. I have hair this means I'm hairy. "Hmmmm I don't have a problem witn hairy women, and in the right parts can be quite hot sometimes xxx | |||
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"If you're offended by being called fat it is something that's pretty easy to do something about.. If you're happy with your fat you must also be happy with a predilection for diabetes, strokes, hypertension and heart attacks. Take your choice." Thanks, Doctor... | |||
"I *have* fat, it doesn't mean I *am* fat. I also have fingernails. Doesn't mean I *am* fingernails. I have hair this means I'm hairy.
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"The offense comes for how things are said not always from what is said. I'm fat that's true. I have been fatter likewise I have been slimmer. Atm I'm stable in my weight but I'm also stable in my life now and happy. I'm no longer shovelling food in my gob to compete with others. I eat when I'm hungry and stop when I'm full. In fact my meal portions have more then halved. I remain fat because I don't exercise as I should due to my fibro but I am hoping to start swimming soon. As for yesterday's thread. As usually the op was seekin controversy. If she wasn't she wouldn't of posted such a thread. Debate is good and healthy. Mocking people is bad and unhealthy for all those who particiapate in a negative way. I noticed the comments that were not contraversle were simply ignored. Why is that? Because the op wanted it to turn the way it did. This is the same in all "vontrversal" threads. Xxx " Your right, my comment about being accused of being anorexic was completely ignored | |||
