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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The ched Evans events and the likes of cliff Richard etc dò people think false accusers should be named and shamed.
I'm just interested in people's views on this as I have a current family situation the same at mo.no judgements please just interested to hear people's thoughts |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As I said on the Ched Evans thread , she's had to change names and move. She was named on social media at the time. So how would naming her help?
From the thread yesterday , I get why he was cleared but equally I don't think the female involved was a bitch. So naming her serves no purpose. Maybe I'm wrong.
you certainly can't name before a trial is finished as you would compromise it. |
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To be publicly falsly accused of anything must be such a stressful and horrendous thing to go through especially while the accuser remains anonymous.So in the light of a not guilty verdict then the accuser should face the same public scrutiny and indeed perhaps prosecution....... see how they like it.......im not specifically directing this at Ched Adams...just in general.I imagine there are a lot of people in prison who are innocent.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"To be publicly falsly accused of anything must be such a stressful and horrendous thing to go through especially while the accuser remains anonymous.So in the light of a not guilty verdict then the accuser should face the same public scrutiny and indeed perhaps prosecution....... see how they like it.......im not specifically directing this at Ched Adams...just in general.I imagine there are a lot of people in prison who are innocent.
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By (user no longer on site)
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What you have to think is , how many rapes go unreported : a lot.
If you say, a not guilty verdict every victim will be named. Will that put victims off coming forward. I think you'll find the answer is yes. So what have you achieved? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No I appreciate that I meant more after the trial etc. Even when it's found that said person has lied deliberately?? "
Why do they name the alleged perpetrator anyway before trial? 'Don't name either side, until the verdict is in. If it's guilty , name the perpetrator . If not, they are never named. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What you have to think is , how many rapes go unreported : a lot.
If you say, a not guilty verdict every victim will be named. Will that put victims off coming forward. I think you'll find the answer is yes. So what have you achieved? "
Do u not think it's also too easy now for people to pull this card nowadays.
I'm seeing the devastation and soul destroying first hand of what this does to a teenage boy. Why should they get off Scott free ?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No I appreciate that I meant more after the trial etc. Even when it's found that said person has lied deliberately??
Why do they name the alleged perpetrator anyway before trial? 'Don't name either side, until the verdict is in. If it's guilty , name the perpetrator . If not,
they are never named. "
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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The difficulty is that it's often the police/CPS who chose to bring charges. In the Ched Evans case it wouldn't be right to punish the girl as it wasn't necessarily a false or malicious accusation.
But in cases (such as the recent one where one girl pretended to be a man in order to deceive another into sex) where an accusation is held to be falsified then the accuser should be (and usually is) sentenced by law and has their anonymity lifted.
Personally, under the principle of innocent until proven guilty, both parties should have the right to anonymity until a verdict has been reached. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What you have to think is , how many rapes go unreported : a lot.
If you say, a not guilty verdict every victim will be named. Will that put victims off coming forward. I think you'll find the answer is yes. So what have you achieved? "
Point taken.....My response was just being falsly accused of anything and not specifically rape. |
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A not guilty verdict doesn't necessarily mean the accusation is false.
Only a small proportion of sex crimes are reported and of those that are an even smaller number ever actually get to court.
I saw an interesting statistic the other day. In my area almost 1800 reports of serious sexual assault or rape were made over a certain time period. Of these allegations there were only 57 successful convictions.
Does that mean that the other 1740+ "victims" are all liars and made false accusations? I seriously doubt it!
It means that in many cases there wasn't sufficient evidence to put to the court or the victim was just not believed.
With statistics like that is it any wonder that so many women, including me, don't report sexual assault and rape? |
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By *horltzMan
over a year ago
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"No I appreciate that I meant more after the trial etc. Even when it's found that said person has lied deliberately??
Why do they name the alleged perpetrator anyway before trial? 'Don't name either side, until the verdict is in. If it's guilty , name the perpetrator . If not, they are never named. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No I appreciate that I meant more after the trial etc. Even when it's found that said person has lied deliberately??
Why do they name the alleged perpetrator anyway before trial? 'Don't name either side, until the verdict is in. If it's guilty , name the perpetrator . If not, they are never named. "
This.
I think it's disgusting that the accused gets named before the trial. It fucks their life up whether they were guilty or not. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No I appreciate that I meant more after the trial etc. Even when it's found that said person has lied deliberately??
Why do they name the alleged perpetrator anyway before trial? 'Don't name either side, until the verdict is in. If it's guilty , name the perpetrator . If not, they are never named.
This.
I think it's disgusting that the accused gets named before the trial. It fucks their life up whether they were guilty or not. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No I appreciate that I meant more after the trial etc. Even when it's found that said person has lied deliberately??
Why do they name the alleged perpetrator anyway before trial? 'Don't name either side, until the verdict is in. If it's guilty , name the perpetrator . If not, they are never named.
This.
I think it's disgusting that the accused gets named before the trial. It fucks their life up whether they were guilty or not. "
Totally agree, and imagine the impact this has on genuine victims
The amount of similar crimes that don't get reported because the victims is too embarrassed or afraid, is terribly sad.
The figures that show how many such crimes are reported nowhere near reflect how many crimes have actually taken place.
Such action would only impact even further on the confidence of those who wish to report. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Am more after opinions of Wether the false accusers when it's learnt and tried in court and found that they have lied should they then be named and shamed |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No I appreciate that I meant more after the trial etc. Even when it's found that said person has lied deliberately??
Why do they name the alleged perpetrator anyway before trial? 'Don't name either side, until the verdict is in. If it's guilty , name the perpetrator . If not, they are never named.
This.
I think it's disgusting that the accused gets named before the trial. It fucks their life up whether they were guilty or not.
Totally agree, and imagine the impact this has on genuine victims
The amount of similar crimes that don't get reported because the victims is too embarrassed or afraid, is terribly sad.
The figures that show how many such crimes are reported nowhere near reflect how many crimes have actually taken place.
Such action would only impact even further on the confidence of those who wish to report."
I agree . But also on the flip there is a alarming increase of people being falsely accused too. Am not taking away from the genuine people this has happend to and unfortunately it's the liars that will take this away from genuine cases |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The ched Evans events and the likes of cliff Richard etc dò people think false accusers should be named and shamed.
I'm just interested in people's views on this as I have a current family situation the same at mo.no judgements please just interested to hear people's thoughts "
If false accusers were named and shamed it may prevent the vindictive ones out there from making false claims . However , it may also deter the genuine ones from coming forward too , for fear of losing their case and being named .
I think no one should be named and shamed until the verdict is reached , the accuser or the perpetrator . Cliff Richard has endured no end of press coverage over the years , and doubt remains despite there being no charges . That's awful . Ched Evans lost a huge chunk of his career , and people still see him as some kind of beast , despite the fact that he was not guilty . That's wrong too .
The law and rules should be the same for both parties . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Where's the evidence for "alarming increase"?
How many of the not guilty verdicts are actually about someone lying through their teeth from start to finish and not other things that led to no conviction?
Yes, it is awful to be accused of something you haven't done. But who gets to say whether the accuser came from a place of evil intent?
So, no, they shouldn't be named and shamed. But help should be offered to all parties. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Where's the evidence for "alarming increase"?
How many of the not guilty verdicts are actually about someone lying through their teeth from start to finish and not other things that led to no conviction?
Yes, it is awful to be accused of something you haven't done. But who gets to say whether the accuser came from a place of evil intent?
So, no, they shouldn't be named and shamed. But help should be offered to all parties."
Like I say it's not judgemental thread and in no way am I taking anything away from genuine cases. But if u did look into u would see how the statistics have risen over the years |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't thin they should be named however I do believe the accused should not be named until proven guilty. If minors can remain anonymous why can't adults? |
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