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A relief for him I'm sure.
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place. " | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place. " | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place. "Life ruined by some money grabbing, attention seeking, 19yr old tart! | |||
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"Am I imagining things but didn't the girl get compensation in the first trial? Or am I making that up in my head? " Yes she did,i dont know how much though | |||
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"Am I imagining things but didn't the girl get compensation in the first trial? Or am I making that up in my head? Yes she did,i dont know how much though" She should be made to pay it back then x | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place.
Life ruined by some money grabbing, attention seeking, 19yr old tart!"Much as I am pleased that an innocent man has been cleared, we should not forget that the girl has never said that she was raped. Despite what many, many Evans supporters have said - she is as much a victim of the blundering efforts of North Wales Police and the CPS. | |||
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"Wasnt the first and won't be the last. ..I think the ones who falsely accuse should be charged. Wasting time and probably (public)money I feel so sorry for him " She did not accuse him of rape. | |||
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"Am I imagining things but didn't the girl get compensation in the first trial? Or am I making that up in my head? Yes she did,i dont know how much though She should be made to pay it back then x" I agree she should pay it back now but doubt she will have too.. | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place.
Life ruined by some money grabbing, attention seeking, 19yr old tart!
Much as I am pleased that an innocent man has been cleared, we should not forget that the girl has never said that she was raped. Despite what many, many Evans supporters have said - she is as much a victim of the blundering efforts of North Wales Police and the CPS."If she said he didnt rape her why did he get found guilty of rape? | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place.
Life ruined by some money grabbing, attention seeking, 19yr old tart!
Much as I am pleased that an innocent man has been cleared, we should not forget that the girl has never said that she was raped. Despite what many, many Evans supporters have said - she is as much a victim of the blundering efforts of North Wales Police and the CPS.
If she said he didnt rape her why did he get found guilty of rape?"Well she didn't shout it's not true, did she ? | |||
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"'not guilty' doesn't mean 'innocent'. It means there isn't enough evidence to convict. I don't know what happened. But let's try not to pile on the woman concerned. This verdict does not mean she is automatically a liar." No,it means she witheld important info | |||
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"They should make her name and face public." No they should make public and shame the irresponsible Police Officers and CPS Lawyers who created a crime that had no complainant, no crime scene and no evidence. | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place.
Life ruined by some money grabbing, attention seeking, 19yr old tart!
Much as I am pleased that an innocent man has been cleared, we should not forget that the girl has never said that she was raped. Despite what many, many Evans supporters have said - she is as much a victim of the blundering efforts of North Wales Police and the CPS."If she didn't say she was raped , why was he charged ? xx | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place.
Life ruined by some money grabbing, attention seeking, 19yr old tart!
Much as I am pleased that an innocent man has been cleared, we should not forget that the girl has never said that she was raped. Despite what many, many Evans supporters have said - she is as much a victim of the blundering efforts of North Wales Police and the CPS.
If she said he didnt rape her why did he get found guilty of rape?"She has only ever said what she said in Court that she got d*unk, woke up in the Premier Inn and couldn't remember what had happened. The Police made the rape complaint. | |||
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"His girlfriend must be really proud of him " It appears she is and planning their wedding. Takes all sorts. | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place.
Life ruined by some money grabbing, attention seeking, 19yr old tart!
Much as I am pleased that an innocent man has been cleared, we should not forget that the girl has never said that she was raped. Despite what many, many Evans supporters have said - she is as much a victim of the blundering efforts of North Wales Police and the CPS.
If she said he didnt rape her why did he get found guilty of rape?
She has only ever said what she said in Court that she got d*unk, woke up in the Premier Inn and couldn't remember what had happened. The Police made the rape complaint."I'm sure she had PLENTY of chance to correct them. | |||
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"His girlfriend must be really proud of him It appears she is and planning their wedding. Takes all sorts." He should be proud of her for sticking by him,true love that | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place.
Life ruined by some money grabbing, attention seeking, 19yr old tart!
Much as I am pleased that an innocent man has been cleared, we should not forget that the girl has never said that she was raped. Despite what many, many Evans supporters have said - she is as much a victim of the blundering efforts of North Wales Police and the CPS.
If she said he didnt rape her why did he get found guilty of rape?
She has only ever said what she said in Court that she got d*unk, woke up in the Premier Inn and couldn't remember what had happened. The Police made the rape complaint."So are you implying the police invented the rape?? | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place.
Life ruined by some money grabbing, attention seeking, 19yr old tart!
Much as I am pleased that an innocent man has been cleared, we should not forget that the girl has never said that she was raped. Despite what many, many Evans supporters have said - she is as much a victim of the blundering efforts of North Wales Police and the CPS.
If she said he didnt rape her why did he get found guilty of rape?
She has only ever said what she said in Court that she got d*unk, woke up in the Premier Inn and couldn't remember what had happened. The Police made the rape complaint.
I'm sure she had PLENTY of chance to correct them." | |||
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"'not guilty' doesn't mean 'innocent'. It means there isn't enough evidence to convict. I don't know what happened. But let's try not to pile on the woman concerned. This verdict does not mean she is automatically a liar. No,it means she witheld important info" No, it doesn't. A different trial reached a different verdict for reasons we don't know. | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place.
Life ruined by some money grabbing, attention seeking, 19yr old tart!
Much as I am pleased that an innocent man has been cleared, we should not forget that the girl has never said that she was raped. Despite what many, many Evans supporters have said - she is as much a victim of the blundering efforts of North Wales Police and the CPS.
If she said he didnt rape her why did he get found guilty of rape?
She has only ever said what she said in Court that she got d*unk, woke up in the Premier Inn and couldn't remember what had happened. The Police made the rape complaint.
I'm sure she had PLENTY of chance to correct them."The Police and the CPS believed that she couldn't remember anything of the night before because she was so d*unk and ergo too d*unk to consent to sex. Going back to the incident, just imagine that 19 year old girl being sat down in front of senior policemen and Crown Lawyers and being told..... "You were d*unk, too d*unk to know what you were doing and two football players took advantage of you. That is rape because you were too d*unk to consent and we can put those guys behind bars for raping you when you were so vulnerable." How does a 19 year old girl respond to that? | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place.
Life ruined by some money grabbing, attention seeking, 19yr old tart!
Much as I am pleased that an innocent man has been cleared, we should not forget that the girl has never said that she was raped. Despite what many, many Evans supporters have said - she is as much a victim of the blundering efforts of North Wales Police and the CPS.
If she said he didnt rape her why did he get found guilty of rape?
She has only ever said what she said in Court that she got d*unk, woke up in the Premier Inn and couldn't remember what had happened. The Police made the rape complaint.
So are you implying the police invented the rape??"The Police created the rape charge from the assumption that as the girl admitted to being d*unk and could not remember what had happened to her or why she woke up at the Premier Inn, she must have been too d*unk to consent to sex and both guys had already admitted that they had sex with her. | |||
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"It was a fuckin joke he ever faced the charges in the first place.
Life ruined by some money grabbing, attention seeking, 19yr old tart!
Much as I am pleased that an innocent man has been cleared, we should not forget that the girl has never said that she was raped. Despite what many, many Evans supporters have said - she is as much a victim of the blundering efforts of North Wales Police and the CPS.
If she said he didnt rape her why did he get found guilty of rape?
She has only ever said what she said in Court that she got d*unk, woke up in the Premier Inn and couldn't remember what had happened. The Police made the rape complaint.
I'm sure she had PLENTY of chance to correct them.
The Police and the CPS believed that she couldn't remember anything of the night before because she was so d*unk and ergo too d*unk to consent to sex.
Going back to the incident, just imagine that 19 year old girl being sat down in front of senior policemen and Crown Lawyers and being told.....
"You were d*unk, too d*unk to know what you were doing and two football players took advantage of you. That is rape because you were too d*unk to consent and we can put those guys behind bars for raping you when you were so vulnerable."
How does a 19 year old girl respond to that? "Shes thinks"lets ruin a mans life"...am i right? | |||
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"Does anyone remember the athelete Jessica Ennis-Hill publicly saying she wants here name removed from stadium that Ched Evans was associated with. She really stuck the boot in!!" yes she came over as a right bitch x | |||
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"There are no winers in all of this" I think you'll find it's MrEvans. The girl has lost nothing! | |||
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"There are no winers in all of this I think you'll find it's MrEvans. The girl has lost nothing!" | |||
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"I think she should have the book thrown at her " Really? For being taken advantage of and then coerced by the police and cos? She was young and naive and not responsible for what happened | |||
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"There are no winers in all of this I think you'll find it's MrEvans. The girl has lost nothing!" I have been banging on about this case since he was charged first time around and my opinion has not moved in inch since day 1. The girl was put in a very vulnerable position by the NWP and CPS and they need to be brought to account for this. She did not complain of rape but she has had he life turned upside down because the CPS and NWP convinced her to go down that road. There was no evidence, no crime scene, no complaint and two guys admitted to having sex with a girl but she couldn't remember. I cant even begin to imagine what is going to happen to her now but she does not deserve what has already happened. As for Evans, he has had his career ruined and his prime footballing years taken away from him. Both Evans and the girl should get significant compensation from NWP and the CPS. They BOTH deserve it. | |||
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"Interesting language used here..A young girl..a vulnerable girl . girl girl girl. We are not calling soccer players boys. They are young men and as a young man I put myself in these situations lots of times, like many others. This 'girl' is an adult, a young woman who makes choices." Correct | |||
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"Interesting language used here..A young girl..a vulnerable girl . girl girl girl. We are not calling soccer players boys. They are young men and as a young man I put myself in these situations lots of times, like many others. This 'girl' is an adult, a young woman who makes choices." | |||
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"Interesting language used here..A young girl..a vulnerable girl . girl girl girl. We are not calling soccer players boys. They are young men and as a young man I put myself in these situations lots of times, like many others. This 'girl' is an adult, a young woman who makes choices." ...and if you fucked someone too pissed to give consent you were a rapist too. It's not that hard to get your head round. | |||
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"His girlfriend must be really proud of him It appears she is and planning their wedding. Takes all sorts. He should be proud of her for sticking by him,true love that" | |||
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"Interesting language used here..A young girl..a vulnerable girl . girl girl girl. We are not calling soccer players boys. They are young men and as a young man I put myself in these situations lots of times, like many others. This 'girl' is an adult, a young woman who makes choices." Choice doesn't come into it if she was too d*unk to consent | |||
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"1 Just because he was found not guilty doesn't mean he was innocent. 2.Her sexual history being brought up,him paying incentives to witnesses, none of this is fair, but it's legal. He bought himself "justice". She doesn't have access to the same resources. 4. The girl was a teenager, him and his friends were grown-ass rich men. 5.Consent can be withdrawn at any time. Can you honestly say she consented to everything? No, you can't. No one can except those who were there. If he was on here I'd not touch him with a bargepole..." I bet he is gutted about that  | |||
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"There are no winers in all of this I think you'll find it's MrEvans. The girl has lost nothing! I have been banging on about this case since he was charged first time around and my opinion has not moved in inch since day 1. The girl was put in a very vulnerable position by the NWP and CPS and they need to be brought to account for this. She did not complain of rape but she has had he life turned upside down because the CPS and NWP convinced her to go down that road. There was no evidence, no crime scene, no complaint and two guys admitted to having sex with a girl but she couldn't remember. I cant even begin to imagine what is going to happen to her now but she does not deserve what has already happened. As for Evans, he has had his career ruined and his prime footballing years taken away from him. Both Evans and the girl should get significant compensation from NWP and the CPS. They BOTH deserve it." I think you've been watching far too much telly. The police do not go around inventing rape allegations, they merely react to allegations made to them and then obtain and present the evidence to the CPS who make a charging decision. What make you thinks senior policeman would sit down in front of a victim and pressure her into making a false allegation I'll never know. That just does not happen. The CPS will only run with a case if there is at least an 80% chance of a conviction at court, that's a fact. If the police had told the alleged victim that there was no case you'd probably still be slagging them off for other reasons, they are not judge and jury, they obtain and present evidence, that's it. A jury found Evans guilty, not the police or the CPS. | |||
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"Interesting language used here..A young girl..a vulnerable girl . girl girl girl. We are not calling soccer players boys. They are young men and as a young man I put myself in these situations lots of times, like many others. This 'girl' is an adult, a young woman who makes choices. ...and if you fucked someone too pissed to give consent you were a rapist too. It's not that hard to get your head round. " who is struggling to get their head round that?? | |||
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"I think she should have the book thrown at her Really? For being taken advantage of and then coerced by the police and cos? She was young and naive and not responsible for what happened " Do you think a man the same age raping a woman is equaly as young and naive ? | |||
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"Im not being drawn into a slanging match with women on fab, she lied and destroyed a mans life, she wether young and nieve or not knew the difference between right and wrong, obviously we the public dont know all the facts etc and never will, but me as a bloke think that false accusers should be jailed and that sentence should be a lengthy one " I partly agree, you can't jail her though, unless she got charged with perjury | |||
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"Im not being drawn into a slanging match with women on fab, she lied and destroyed a mans life, she wether young and nieve or not knew the difference between right and wrong, obviously we the public dont know all the facts etc and never will, but me as a bloke think that false accusers should be jailed and that sentence should be a lengthy one " I fuckin hate women who falsely accuse men of rape,filthy scum | |||
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"There are no winers in all of this I think you'll find it's MrEvans. The girl has lost nothing! I have been banging on about this case since he was charged first time around and my opinion has not moved in inch since day 1. The girl was put in a very vulnerable position by the NWP and CPS and they need to be brought to account for this. She did not complain of rape but she has had he life turned upside down because the CPS and NWP convinced her to go down that road. There was no evidence, no crime scene, no complaint and two guys admitted to having sex with a girl but she couldn't remember. I cant even begin to imagine what is going to happen to her now but she does not deserve what has already happened. As for Evans, he has had his career ruined and his prime footballing years taken away from him. Both Evans and the girl should get significant compensation from NWP and the CPS. They BOTH deserve it." you are joking aren't you? | |||
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"Interesting language used here..A young girl..a vulnerable girl . girl girl girl. We are not calling soccer players boys. They are young men and as a young man I put myself in these situations lots of times, like many others. This 'girl' is an adult, a young woman who makes choices. ...and if you fucked someone too pissed to give consent you were a rapist too. It's not that hard to get your head round. " Yep. You can make a choice to get pissed. That doesn't mean you give consent to anything other than getting pissed. I don't know all the details, but you've all been pretty detailed above... I can't imagine either of them had fun over this. And he fucked a teenager without consent. | |||
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"1 Just because he was found not guilty doesn't mean he was innocent. 2.Her sexual history being brought up,him paying incentives to witnesses, none of this is fair, but it's legal. He bought himself "justice". She doesn't have access to the same resources. 4. The girl was a teenager, him and his friends were grown-ass rich men. 5.Consent can be withdrawn at any time. Can you honestly say she consented to everything? No, you can't. No one can except those who were there. If he was on here I'd not touch him with a bargepole... I bet he is gutted about that "You'd be surprised... | |||
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"As a grown adult male you are not resisted by a severly inebriated 19yr old female. You peersist and get charged with rape because she believes afterwards that she expressed her lack of consent. If your career gets ruined it is no less than you deserve because your a dumb s**t. Any man who cannot be absolutely sure that consent is given with knowledge and awareness faces possible later accusation. If you care you do not f*** pissed or stoned people, simples." I've never come across anyone whose stoned that doesn't know what they are doing .... I know this being a fully pledged 420 user ..... for 11 years | |||
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"As a grown adult male you are not resisted by a severly inebriated 19yr old female. You peersist and get charged with rape because she believes afterwards that she expressed her lack of consent. If your career gets ruined it is no less than you deserve because your a dumb s**t. Any man who cannot be absolutely sure that consent is given with knowledge and awareness faces possible later accusation. If you care you do not f*** pissed or stoned people, simples." I totally agree | |||
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"Interesting language used here..A young girl..a vulnerable girl . girl girl girl. We are not calling soccer players boys. They are young men and as a young man I put myself in these situations lots of times, like many others. This 'girl' is an adult, a young woman who makes choices. ...and if you fucked someone too pissed to give consent you were a rapist too. It's not that hard to get your head round. Yep. You can make a choice to get pissed. That doesn't mean you give consent to anything other than getting pissed. I don't know all the details, but you've all been pretty detailed above... I can't imagine either of them had fun over this. And he fucked a teenager without consent." I see the problem she was a teenager .... how about a 36 year old because I'd kick your back doors in | |||
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" I think you've been watching far too much telly. The police do not go around inventing rape allegations, they merely react to allegations made to them and then obtain and present the evidence to the CPS who make a charging decision. What make you thinks senior policeman would sit down in front of a victim and pressure her into making a false allegation I'll never know. That just does not happen. The CPS will only run with a case if there is at least an 80% chance of a conviction at court, that's a fact. If the police had told the alleged victim that there was no case you'd probably still be slagging them off for other reasons, they are not judge and jury, they obtain and present evidence, that's it. A jury found Evans guilty, not the police or the CPS. " Suggest you read up on the case. The woman has never said that she was raped. | |||
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"1 Just because he was found not guilty doesn't mean he was innocent. 2.Her sexual history being brought up,him paying incentives to witnesses, none of this is fair, but it's legal. He bought himself "justice". She doesn't have access to the same resources. 4. The girl was a teenager, him and his friends were grown-ass rich men. 5.Consent can be withdrawn at any time. Can you honestly say she consented to everything? No, you can't. No one can except those who were there. If he was on here I'd not touch him with a bargepole... I bet he is gutted about that
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"Im not being drawn into a slanging match with women on fab, she lied and destroyed a mans life, she wether young and nieve or not knew the difference between right and wrong, obviously we the public dont know all the facts etc and never will, but me as a bloke think that false accusers should be jailed and that sentence should be a lengthy one " | |||
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"There will always be his story her story and the truth . At the end of the day if the girl was so d*unk then yes she was vulnerable, maybe starstruck but he should have put her in a taxi and sent her home like any decent man would have and all this would never have happened . " | |||
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"There are no winers in all of this I think you'll find it's MrEvans. The girl has lost nothing! I have been banging on about this case since he was charged first time around and my opinion has not moved in inch since day 1. The girl was put in a very vulnerable position by the NWP and CPS and they need to be brought to account for this. She did not complain of rape but she has had he life turned upside down because the CPS and NWP convinced her to go down that road. There was no evidence, no crime scene, no complaint and two guys admitted to having sex with a girl but she couldn't remember. I cant even begin to imagine what is going to happen to her now but she does not deserve what has already happened. As for Evans, he has had his career ruined and his prime footballing years taken away from him. Both Evans and the girl should get significant compensation from NWP and the CPS. They BOTH deserve it. you are joking aren't you? " Absolutely NOT joking. Both have been fucked over by North Wales Police and the CPS. The woman never said that she had been raped. | |||
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"There are no winers in all of this I think you'll find it's MrEvans. The girl has lost nothing! I have been banging on about this case since he was charged first time around and my opinion has not moved in inch since day 1. The girl was put in a very vulnerable position by the NWP and CPS and they need to be brought to account for this. She did not complain of rape but she has had he life turned upside down because the CPS and NWP convinced her to go down that road. There was no evidence, no crime scene, no complaint and two guys admitted to having sex with a girl but she couldn't remember. I cant even begin to imagine what is going to happen to her now but she does not deserve what has already happened. As for Evans, he has had his career ruined and his prime footballing years taken away from him. Both Evans and the girl should get significant compensation from NWP and the CPS. They BOTH deserve it. you are joking aren't you? Absolutely NOT joking. Both have been fucked over by North Wales Police and the CPS. The woman never said that she had been raped." well if I had behaved like either of them I would NOT be expecting compensation! !! | |||
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"There are no winers in all of this I think you'll find it's MrEvans. The girl has lost nothing! I have been banging on about this case since he was charged first time around and my opinion has not moved in inch since day 1. The girl was put in a very vulnerable position by the NWP and CPS and they need to be brought to account for this. She did not complain of rape but she has had he life turned upside down because the CPS and NWP convinced her to go down that road. There was no evidence, no crime scene, no complaint and two guys admitted to having sex with a girl but she couldn't remember. I cant even begin to imagine what is going to happen to her now but she does not deserve what has already happened. As for Evans, he has had his career ruined and his prime footballing years taken away from him. Both Evans and the girl should get significant compensation from NWP and the CPS. They BOTH deserve it. you are joking aren't you? Absolutely NOT joking. Both have been fucked over by North Wales Police and the CPS. The woman never said that she had been raped. well if I had behaved like either of them I would NOT be expecting compensation! !!" He will make a fortune selling his story to the tabloids and magazines I'd imagine anyway. | |||
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"There are no winers in all of this I think you'll find it's MrEvans. The girl has lost nothing! I have been banging on about this case since he was charged first time around and my opinion has not moved in inch since day 1. The girl was put in a very vulnerable position by the NWP and CPS and they need to be brought to account for this. She did not complain of rape but she has had he life turned upside down because the CPS and NWP convinced her to go down that road. There was no evidence, no crime scene, no complaint and two guys admitted to having sex with a girl but she couldn't remember. I cant even begin to imagine what is going to happen to her now but she does not deserve what has already happened. As for Evans, he has had his career ruined and his prime footballing years taken away from him. Both Evans and the girl should get significant compensation from NWP and the CPS. They BOTH deserve it. you are joking aren't you? Absolutely NOT joking. Both have been fucked over by North Wales Police and the CPS. The woman never said that she had been raped. well if I had behaved like either of them I would NOT be expecting compensation! !! He will make a fortune selling his story to the tabloids and magazines I'd imagine anyway. " Lets see who calls him a rapist now. and I wonder if his old club would have him back. | |||
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"There will always be his story her story and the truth . At the end of the day if the girl was so d*unk then yes she was vulnerable, maybe starstruck but he should have put her in a taxi and sent her home like any decent man would have and all this would never have happened . " | |||
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"Interesting language used here..A young girl..a vulnerable girl . girl girl girl. We are not calling soccer players boys. They are young men and as a young man I put myself in these situations lots of times, like many others. This 'girl' is an adult, a young woman who makes choices. ...and if you fucked someone too pissed to give consent you were a rapist too. It's not that hard to get your head round. Yep. You can make a choice to get pissed. That doesn't mean you give consent to anything other than getting pissed. I don't know all the details, but you've all been pretty detailed above... I can't imagine either of them had fun over this. And he fucked a teenager without consent." | |||
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"Ched Evans is not a rapist, never was and he has finally had his name is cleared. "There's a lot of women that still aren't happy. | |||
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" I think you've been watching far too much telly. The police do not go around inventing rape allegations, they merely react to allegations made to them and then obtain and present the evidence to the CPS who make a charging decision. What make you thinks senior policeman would sit down in front of a victim and pressure her into making a false allegation I'll never know. That just does not happen. The CPS will only run with a case if there is at least an 80% chance of a conviction at court, that's a fact. If the police had told the alleged victim that there was no case you'd probably still be slagging them off for other reasons, they are not judge and jury, they obtain and present evidence, that's it. A jury found Evans guilty, not the police or the CPS. Suggest you read up on the case. The woman has never said that she was raped." No, but if a person reports a set of circumstances that fit the definition of rape then of course they will investigate it as such, you're deluded if you think they just make it up as they go along and bully people into making up allegations. And the CPS have a very strict code when deciding on what charges, if any, are brought. The police and CPS did their job and two sets of jurors did theirs. | |||
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"There will always be his story her story and the truth . At the end of the day if the girl was so d*unk then yes she was vulnerable, maybe starstruck but he should have put her in a taxi and sent her home like any decent man would have and all this would never have happened . " This ^^^ | |||
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"There will always be his story her story and the truth . At the end of the day if the girl was so d*unk then yes she was vulnerable, maybe starstruck but he should have put her in a taxi and sent her home like any decent man would have and all this would never have happened . This ^^^" Lovely thought but how often does alcohol bring out the best in women and men? | |||
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" well if I had behaved like either of them I would NOT be expecting compensation! !!" If you are falsely accused of rape and have your life turned upside down and lose out financially you would absolutely be entitled to compensation. As for the woman. She didn't ask for any of this and I doubt very much that the Police or CPS advised her that she would spend the rest of her life in witness protection. They coerced her into agreeing with them without outlining the potential negative consequences - particularly now after all this time and he gets found not guilty. Where is that going to leave her? Remember that she has not said at any time that she was raped by Evans or Blackmore. | |||
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"There will always be his story her story and the truth . At the end of the day if the girl was so d*unk then yes she was vulnerable, maybe starstruck but he should have put her in a taxi and sent her home like any decent man would have and all this would never have happened . This ^^^ Lovely thought but how often does alcohol bring out the best in women and men? " I tend to wish the world would stop spinning and fall asleep in a corner. It's not my best look I admit  | |||
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"I think any man who takes advantage of a gal who is not capable of giving consent needs a bloody good slap. She has had her reputation and her morals dragged through the mud so she has hardly come out of all this unscathed. The whole case and it's bad publicity has probably set the genuine cases of reporting rape, back quite a few years. The people who really suffer from this are the genuine victims of rape who have witnessed this whole debacle and think why the fuck should I put myself through it." Well said.
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"There are no winers in all of this I think you'll find it's MrEvans. The girl has lost nothing!" that girl... as you put it.... is the only woman in uk legal history that has had to go into witness protection for a non-murder based acted.... that girl... as you put it.... has had to move home on 4 different occasions as supporters of evans ignored the order not to name her..... that girl.... as you put it... can not have any contact with her family... because they did not know where all the leaks were coming from that girl.... as you put it... can never go home again.... so yeah... i do have a serious amount of contempt for those people who say she has been thru nothing!!!! | |||
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"Interesting language used here..A young girl..a vulnerable girl . girl girl girl. We are not calling soccer players boys. They are young men and as a young man I put myself in these situations lots of times, like many others. This 'girl' is an adult, a young woman who makes choices. ...and if you fucked someone too pissed to give consent you were a rapist too. It's not that hard to get your head round. Yep. You can make a choice to get pissed. That doesn't mean you give consent to anything other than getting pissed. I don't know all the details, but you've all been pretty detailed above... I can't imagine either of them had fun over this. And he fucked a teenager without consent. I see the problem she was a teenager .... how about a 36 year old because I'd kick your back doors in " And if you had my consent that would be fine. But if I was too pissed to give that consent then it'd be... well I'm not sure what it'd be... "kicking back doors in" sounds like breaking and entering  | |||
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"I think any man who takes advantage of a gal who is not capable of giving consent needs a bloody good slap. She has had her reputation and her morals dragged through the mud so she has hardly come out of all this unscathed. The whole case and it's bad publicity has probably set the genuine cases of reporting rape, back quite a few years. The people who really suffer from this are the genuine victims of rape who have witnessed this whole debacle and think why the fuck should I put myself through it. Well said.
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"Wasnt the first and won't be the last. ..I think the ones who falsely accuse should be charged. Wasting time and probably (public)money I feel so sorry for him " I don't think she actually accused him... more reported the circumstances and the police did the rest! | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. " Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. | |||
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"I'm surprised that some people are saying being found not guilty does not equate with being innocent. Isn't the presumption under British law that you are innocent until proven guilty ? "
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"If she was to d*unk she could not consent" Hmmm this is never a level playing field, it can also be convenient to say " don't remember a thing about last night " I remember when younger on a number of occasions when pissed.waking up to find women/ men trying to suck my cock without consent and I guess things haven't changed that much. | |||
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"and then you wonder why any woman has the never to go thru a rape case if there entire sexual history is going to be dragged up in a court case... and the virtrol of some of the people here is disgusting....." | |||
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"and then you wonder why any woman has the never to go thru a rape case if there entire sexual history is going to be dragged up in a court case... and the virtrol of some of the people here is disgusting....." Her sexual history was relevant to the case otherwise it would not have been permissible | |||
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"I'm surprised that some people are saying being found not guilty does not equate with being innocent. Isn't the presumption under British law that you are innocent until proven guilty ?
In the UK, being found NOT guilty still means you even more guilty according to a few people above."and so far no one has defined : HOW d*unk is too d*unk? 1 babycham 2 pints of beer Legless and can't stand with knickers around her ankles Incapable of speech 1 cider and a orange What? with some of these you need to be careful with your own Mrs!! Surely it depends on her behaviour not what she just drank. | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. " Spot on, | |||
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"Does anyone remember the athelete Jessica Ennis-Hill publicly saying she wants here name removed from stadium that Ched Evans was associated with. She really stuck the boot in!! yes she came over as a right bitch x" so you would be happy to put your name to a club who employs (at the time) rapists? how exactly is her protecting her reputation and image sticking the boot in? | |||
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"Does anyone remember the athelete Jessica Ennis-Hill publicly saying she wants here name removed from stadium that Ched Evans was associated with. She really stuck the boot in!! yes she came over as a right bitch x so you would be happy to put your name to a club who employs (at the time) rapists? how exactly is her protecting her reputation and image sticking the boot in?" If I thought he was innocent then yes I would | |||
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"Does anyone remember the athelete Jessica Ennis-Hill publicly saying she wants here name removed from stadium that Ched Evans was associated with. She really stuck the boot in!!" Free publicity | |||
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"Does anyone remember the athelete Jessica Ennis-Hill publicly saying she wants here name removed from stadium that Ched Evans was associated with. She really stuck the boot in!! yes she came over as a right bitch x so you would be happy to put your name to a club who employs (at the time) rapists? how exactly is her protecting her reputation and image sticking the boot in? If I thought he was innocent then yes I would" well clearly at the time lots of people didnt so i dont see why people are trying to drag Jessica into all of this as if it was her fault! | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on, "Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home "Like every other d*unken 22 year old in England?? Get real | |||
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"Does anyone remember the athelete Jessica Ennis-Hill publicly saying she wants here name removed from stadium that Ched Evans was associated with. She really stuck the boot in!! yes she came over as a right bitch x so you would be happy to put your name to a club who employs (at the time) rapists? how exactly is her protecting her reputation and image sticking the boot in? If I thought he was innocent then yes I would well clearly at the time lots of people didnt so i dont see why people are trying to drag Jessica into all of this as if it was her fault!" Well I thought he was innocent and still do | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
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"I think any man who takes advantage of a gal who is not capable of giving consent needs a bloody good slap. She has had her reputation and her morals dragged through the mud so she has hardly come out of all this unscathed. The whole case and it's bad publicity has probably set the genuine cases of reporting rape, back quite a few years. The people who really suffer from this are the genuine victims of rape who have witnessed this whole debacle and think why the fuck should I put myself through it." agree.. Evans behaviour was partly to blame, had he not acted in such a predatory manner when his mate told him he had her in the room or when he got there had the common decency to realise she was pissed and could not consent then this would never have happened.. As a bloke I find his behaviour repulsive.. as a father I would not wish to ever come face to face with him.. | |||
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"Does anyone remember the athelete Jessica Ennis-Hill publicly saying she wants here name removed from stadium that Ched Evans was associated with. She really stuck the boot in!! yes she came over as a right bitch x so you would be happy to put your name to a club who employs (at the time) rapists? how exactly is her protecting her reputation and image sticking the boot in? If I thought he was innocent then yes I would well clearly at the time lots of people didnt so i dont see why people are trying to drag Jessica into all of this as if it was her fault! Well I thought he was innocent and still do " then you go sponsor a stand at chesterfield then | |||
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"Amazing what evidence daddy in law can buy isn't it when your loaded. Still doesn't change the fact that he is a moral less low life arse hole who deserved the 5 years for been a cheat! "  | |||
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"Does anyone remember the athelete Jessica Ennis-Hill publicly saying she wants here name removed from stadium that Ched Evans was associated with. She really stuck the boot in!! yes she came over as a right bitch x so you would be happy to put your name to a club who employs (at the time) rapists? how exactly is her protecting her reputation and image sticking the boot in? If I thought he was innocent then yes I would well clearly at the time lots of people didnt so i dont see why people are trying to drag Jessica into all of this as if it was her fault! Well I thought he was innocent and still do then you go sponsor a stand at chesterfield then "Sorry am I not intitled to my opinion | |||
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"I don't know how true this is so bare with me because I'm sure it was repeated on another thread relating to this. Wasn't the missing piece of evidence a mobile phone belonging to either Evans or the Girl in which the girl clearly stated in texts that Evans could have sex with her? I wish I could find the other thread on this topic. " We don't know and won't for 10 years until the details can legally be released. All very lucky this phone was miraculously found though isn't it. | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
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"Does anyone remember the athelete Jessica Ennis-Hill publicly saying she wants here name removed from stadium that Ched Evans was associated with. She really stuck the boot in!! yes she came over as a right bitch x so you would be happy to put your name to a club who employs (at the time) rapists? how exactly is her protecting her reputation and image sticking the boot in? If I thought he was innocent then yes I would well clearly at the time lots of people didnt so i dont see why people are trying to drag Jessica into all of this as if it was her fault! Well I thought he was innocent and still do then you go sponsor a stand at chesterfield then Sorry am I not intitled to my opinion"where did i state that you weren't?
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
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"I don't know how true this is so bare with me because I'm sure it was repeated on another thread relating to this. Wasn't the missing piece of evidence a mobile phone belonging to either Evans or the Girl in which the girl clearly stated in texts that Evans could have sex with her? I wish I could find the other thread on this topic. We don't know and won't for 10 years until the details can legally be released. All very lucky this phone was miraculously found though isn't it. " Do you think the Police and the judge are corrupt in all this?? | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
I think you will find that he was 22 when it happened.
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
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"I don't know how true this is so bare with me because I'm sure it was repeated on another thread relating to this. Wasn't the missing piece of evidence a mobile phone belonging to either Evans or the Girl in which the girl clearly stated in texts that Evans could have sex with her? I wish I could find the other thread on this topic. We don't know and won't for 10 years until the details can legally be released. All very lucky this phone was miraculously found though isn't it. Do you think the Police and the judge are corrupt in all this??" Nope. Not in the slightest, do I think the evidence is questionable that it just suddenly appears 5 years later, yes. | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
I think you will find that he was 22 when it happened.
it that not a grown man? at what age are you a grown man?"My point being that current press coverage talks about a 27 year old man taking advantage of a 19 year old girl.... But when it happened, she was 19 and he was 22.... A subtle difference but important one suspects, to how we view it. | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
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"I don't know how true this is so bare with me because I'm sure it was repeated on another thread relating to this. Wasn't the missing piece of evidence a mobile phone belonging to either Evans or the Girl in which the girl clearly stated in texts that Evans could have sex with her? I wish I could find the other thread on this topic. We don't know and won't for 10 years until the details can legally be released. All very lucky this phone was miraculously found though isn't it. Do you think the Police and the judge are corrupt in all this?? Nope. Not in the slightest, do I think the evidence is questionable that it just suddenly appears 5 years later, yes. " Why?? People are being convicted or realised all the time due to new evidence , its not uncommon | |||
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"Imagine being a young woman who's got up to some naughty stuff when smashed. You can't remember what the hell went on. You're probably full of uncertainty and regret, trying to piece together what happened. I've been too pissed to remember the night before - I'm sure many others have here. Imagine trying to sort out the above in your head and the police plant a seed that you were to d*unk to give consent and were therefore raped. Imagine what that'd do to you. I know I'd be a bloomin mess and my head would be spinning like crazy. Awful situation to be in and much of what came after stems from that. I'm not saying she's been perfect in all of this, but that must have been a real mind***k. . " Fair point, but why did she report it to the police in the first place?? | |||
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"I don't know how true this is so bare with me because I'm sure it was repeated on another thread relating to this. Wasn't the missing piece of evidence a mobile phone belonging to either Evans or the Girl in which the girl clearly stated in texts that Evans could have sex with her? I wish I could find the other thread on this topic. We don't know and won't for 10 years until the details can legally be released. All very lucky this phone was miraculously found though isn't it. Do you think the Police and the judge are corrupt in all this?? Nope. Not in the slightest, do I think the evidence is questionable that it just suddenly appears 5 years later, yes. Why?? People are being convicted or realised all the time due to new evidence , its not uncommon " Released  | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
Like every other d*unken 22 year old in England?? Get real
Or Wales
O that's ok then I didn't realise he was ONLY 22 and had a professional job in the public eye
His profession is irrelevant"Don't be so stupid these people are supposed to be role models for kids . Yes it's irrelevant in some respect that whoever does it is wrong but had he not been in that profession it wouldn't be on the news week after week . | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
Like every other d*unken 22 year old in England?? Get real
Or Wales
O that's ok then I didn't realise he was ONLY 22 and had a professional job in the public eye
His profession is irrelevant
Don't be so stupid these people are supposed to be role models for kids . Yes it's irrelevant in some respect that whoever does it is wrong but had he not been in that profession it wouldn't be on the news week after week ."Get real, role model for kids? Why? Because they play football and get paid a fortune? The fact it is in the newspaper every week is also irrelevant | |||
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"and then you wonder why any woman has the never to go thru a rape case if there entire sexual history is going to be dragged up in a court case... and the virtrol of some of the people here is disgusting..... Her sexual history was relevant to the case otherwise it would not have been permissible " If sexual history is relevant to a rape or sexual assault case then all of us here need to hope and pray that we never fall victim to such acts. Just imagine how our lifestyle would be interpreted in court | |||
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"and then you wonder why any woman has the never to go thru a rape case if there entire sexual history is going to be dragged up in a court case... and the virtrol of some of the people here is disgusting..... Her sexual history was relevant to the case otherwise it would not have been permissible If sexual history is relevant to a rape or sexual assault case then all of us here need to hope and pray that we never fall victim to such acts. Just imagine how our lifestyle would be interpreted in court" If it wasn't relevant then the judge would not have allowed it, | |||
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"Imagine being a young woman who's got up to some naughty stuff when smashed. You can't remember what the hell went on. You're probably full of uncertainty and regret, trying to piece together what happened. I've been too pissed to remember the night before - I'm sure many others have here. Imagine trying to sort out the above in your head and the police plant a seed that you were to d*unk to give consent and were therefore raped. Imagine what that'd do to you. I know I'd be a bloomin mess and my head would be spinning like crazy. Awful situation to be in and much of what came after stems from that. I'm not saying she's been perfect in all of this, but that must have been a real mind***k. . Fair point, but why did she report it to the police in the first place?? " IIRC, she didn't. She reported a lost handbag that she believed had been stolen from the hotel. It was the police who first began looking at the consent issue when they investigated this. If I get the chance, I'll check the above. | |||
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"Imagine being a young woman who's got up to some naughty stuff when smashed. You can't remember what the hell went on. You're probably full of uncertainty and regret, trying to piece together what happened. I've been too pissed to remember the night before - I'm sure many others have here. Imagine trying to sort out the above in your head and the police plant a seed that you were to d*unk to give consent and were therefore raped. Imagine what that'd do to you. I know I'd be a bloomin mess and my head would be spinning like crazy. Awful situation to be in and much of what came after stems from that. I'm not saying she's been perfect in all of this, but that must have been a real mind***k. . Fair point, but why did she report it to the police in the first place?? IIRC, she didn't. She reported a lost handbag that she believed had been stolen from the hotel. It was the police who first began looking at the consent issue when they investigated this. If I get the chance, I'll check the above." Ah right, I hadn't realised that . | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
Like every other d*unken 22 year old in England?? Get real
Or Wales
O that's ok then I didn't realise he was ONLY 22 and had a professional job in the public eye
His profession is irrelevant
Don't be so stupid these people are supposed to be role models for kids . Yes it's irrelevant in some respect that whoever does it is wrong but had he not been in that profession it wouldn't be on the news week after week .
Get real, role model for kids? Why? Because they play football and get paid a fortune? The fact it is in the newspaper every week is also irrelevant"Priceless lock up your daughters peeps | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
Like every other d*unken 22 year old in England?? Get real
Or Wales
O that's ok then I didn't realise he was ONLY 22 and had a professional job in the public eye
His profession is irrelevant
Don't be so stupid these people are supposed to be role models for kids . Yes it's irrelevant in some respect that whoever does it is wrong but had he not been in that profession it wouldn't be on the news week after week .
Get real, role model for kids? Why? Because they play football and get paid a fortune? The fact it is in the newspaper every week is also irrelevant
Priceless lock up your daughters peeps"Do you live in a cave?? | |||
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"I think she should have the book thrown at her Really? For being taken advantage of and then coerced by the police and cos? She was young and naive and not responsible for what happened Do you think a man the same age raping a woman is equaly as young and naive ? " Yes I do actually | |||
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"1 Just because he was found not guilty doesn't mean he was innocent. 2.Her sexual history being brought up,him paying incentives to witnesses, none of this is fair, but it's legal. He bought himself "justice". She doesn't have access to the same resources. 4. The girl was a teenager, him and his friends were grown-ass rich men. 5.Consent can be withdrawn at any time. Can you honestly say she consented to everything? No, you can't. No one can except those who were there. If he was on here I'd not touch him with a bargepole..." Totally agree with you here. At best Evans was found guilty once and not proven once, he is by no means innocent. It is sad to see the response from some people on this site and the level of misogyny. Footballers have a 'role model' status (which is worrying in and of itself!) so he and his friends should have been holding themselves up to higher standards. He cones over as a fool, a liar and he has taken advantage of a young girl. So would be on our avoid list also. | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
Like every other d*unken 22 year old in England?? Get real
Or Wales
O that's ok then I didn't realise he was ONLY 22 and had a professional job in the public eye
His profession is irrelevant
Don't be so stupid these people are supposed to be role models for kids . Yes it's irrelevant in some respect that whoever does it is wrong but had he not been in that profession it wouldn't be on the news week after week .
Get real, role model for kids? Why? Because they play football and get paid a fortune? The fact it is in the newspaper every week is also irrelevant
Priceless lock up your daughters peeps
Do you live in a cave?? "To be fair,whether thry like it or not professional sports people in most sports are lookers upon as role models...to deny that they are is foolish in my opinion. I don't doubt that Mr Evans himself had posters of his favourite players on his bedroom wall, bought magazines because there were articles in them about them, pestered his parents to buy all the things the endorsed etc. If he didn't want that lifestyle he should have chosen another career. With fame comes responsibility and with today's instant gratification social media society you must know your every move is documented and can and will be used against you for whatever reason. | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
Like every other d*unken 22 year old in England?? Get real
Or Wales
O that's ok then I didn't realise he was ONLY 22 and had a professional job in the public eye
His profession is irrelevant
Don't be so stupid these people are supposed to be role models for kids . Yes it's irrelevant in some respect that whoever does it is wrong but had he not been in that profession it wouldn't be on the news week after week .
Get real, role model for kids? Why? Because they play football and get paid a fortune? The fact it is in the newspaper every week is also irrelevant
Priceless lock up your daughters peeps
Do you live in a cave??
"What ever age they both were makes little difference, one fact remains.... Rape or not no one will ever really know what happened. In the end he did take advantage of a woman in a vulnerable position. Age is irrelevant, they were both adults be that consenting or not he still abused her vulnerability. She has now learned a very hard lesson. | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
Like every other d*unken 22 year old in England?? Get real
Or Wales
O that's ok then I didn't realise he was ONLY 22 and had a professional job in the public eye
His profession is irrelevant
Don't be so stupid these people are supposed to be role models for kids . Yes it's irrelevant in some respect that whoever does it is wrong but had he not been in that profession it wouldn't be on the news week after week .
Get real, role model for kids? Why? Because they play football and get paid a fortune? The fact it is in the newspaper every week is also irrelevant
Priceless lock up your daughters peeps
Do you live in a cave??
To be fair,whether thry like it or not professional sports people in most sports are lookers upon as role models...to deny that they are is foolish in my opinion.
I don't doubt that Mr Evans himself had posters of his favourite players on his bedroom wall, bought magazines because there were articles in them about them, pestered his parents to buy all the things the endorsed etc. If he didn't want that lifestyle he should have chosen another career.
With fame comes responsibility and with today's instant gratification social media society you must know your every move is documented and can and will be used against you for whatever reason. "Does that have any effect on whether he is guilty or not? | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
Like every other d*unken 22 year old in England?? Get real
Or Wales
O that's ok then I didn't realise he was ONLY 22 and had a professional job in the public eye
His profession is irrelevant
Don't be so stupid these people are supposed to be role models for kids . Yes it's irrelevant in some respect that whoever does it is wrong but had he not been in that profession it wouldn't be on the news week after week .
Get real, role model for kids? Why? Because they play football and get paid a fortune? The fact it is in the newspaper every week is also irrelevant
Priceless lock up your daughters peeps
Do you live in a cave??
What ever age they both were makes little difference, one fact remains....
Rape or not no one will ever really know what happened. In the end he did take advantage of a woman in a vulnerable position. Age is irrelevant, they were both adults be that consenting or not he still abused her vulnerability. She has now learned a very hard lesson. "And so has he, I don't condone what he has done, it was bloody stupid but his punishment was far more severe than his actions warranted . | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
Like every other d*unken 22 year old in England?? Get real
Or Wales
O that's ok then I didn't realise he was ONLY 22 and had a professional job in the public eye
His profession is irrelevant
Don't be so stupid these people are supposed to be role models for kids . Yes it's irrelevant in some respect that whoever does it is wrong but had he not been in that profession it wouldn't be on the news week after week .
Get real, role model for kids? Why? Because they play football and get paid a fortune? The fact it is in the newspaper every week is also irrelevant
Priceless lock up your daughters peeps
Do you live in a cave??
To be fair,whether thry like it or not professional sports people in most sports are lookers upon as role models...to deny that they are is foolish in my opinion.
I don't doubt that Mr Evans himself had posters of his favourite players on his bedroom wall, bought magazines because there were articles in them about them, pestered his parents to buy all the things the endorsed etc. If he didn't want that lifestyle he should have chosen another career.
With fame comes responsibility and with today's instant gratification social media society you must know your every move is documented and can and will be used against you for whatever reason.
Does that have any effect on whether he is guilty or not? "No. No one has said it has all they have said is as a grown man of 22 who has a career in the spot light he should have acted differently....something he would probably agree with right about now. | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
Either way he's a grown man who should have some moral fibre and common decency he should have took her home
Like every other d*unken 22 year old in England?? Get real
Or Wales
O that's ok then I didn't realise he was ONLY 22 and had a professional job in the public eye
His profession is irrelevant
Don't be so stupid these people are supposed to be role models for kids . Yes it's irrelevant in some respect that whoever does it is wrong but had he not been in that profession it wouldn't be on the news week after week .
Get real, role model for kids? Why? Because they play football and get paid a fortune? The fact it is in the newspaper every week is also irrelevant
Priceless lock up your daughters peeps
Do you live in a cave??
To be fair,whether thry like it or not professional sports people in most sports are lookers upon as role models...to deny that they are is foolish in my opinion.
I don't doubt that Mr Evans himself had posters of his favourite players on his bedroom wall, bought magazines because there were articles in them about them, pestered his parents to buy all the things the endorsed etc. If he didn't want that lifestyle he should have chosen another career.
With fame comes responsibility and with today's instant gratification social media society you must know your every move is documented and can and will be used against you for whatever reason.
Does that have any effect on whether he is guilty or not?
No. No one has said it has all they have said is as a grown man of 22 who has a career in the spot light he should have acted differently....something he would probably agree with right about now. "Agreed, we all do things with hindsight we regret , but this is all irrelevant to the actual case. | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on, "How are those 2 scenerios different? Both include being too d*unk so therefore it would be deemed taking advantage. | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
How are those 2 scenerios different? Both include being too d*unk so therefore it would be deemed taking advantage."Because it's the difference between consent (rape) or not . Example, d*unken man gives you £20 in a pub, you take it, in the morning he can't remember giving it to you , have you stolen it from him? | |||
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"So many years of prime footballing life gone and his career all but destroyed because of a false rape allegation. I truly hope that Northy Wales Police and the CPS get roasted for this. As for the girl - what on earth is going to happen to her now?" Any one who goes out gets pissed and goes back to hotel room with someone?? Really what do they expect is going to happen ?? | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
How are those 2 scenerios different? Both include being too d*unk so therefore it would be deemed taking advantage.
Because it's the difference between consent (rape) or not . Example, d*unken man gives you £20 in a pub, you take it, in the morning he can't remember giving it to you , have you stolen it from him?"No but anyone with morals would say " I don't want it mate your d*unk" | |||
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"There are no winers in all of this I think you'll find it's MrEvans. The girl has lost nothing! I have been banging on about this case since he was charged first time around and my opinion has not moved in inch since day 1. The girl was put in a very vulnerable position by the NWP and CPS and they need to be brought to account for this. She did not complain of rape but she has had he life turned upside down because the CPS and NWP convinced her to go down that road. There was no evidence, no crime scene, no complaint and two guys admitted to having sex with a girl but she couldn't remember. I cant even begin to imagine what is going to happen to her now but she does not deserve what has already happened. As for Evans, he has had his career ruined and his prime footballing years taken away from him. Both Evans and the girl should get significant compensation from NWP and the CPS. They BOTH deserve it. I think you've been watching far too much telly. The police do not go around inventing rape allegations, they merely react to allegations made to them and then obtain and present the evidence to the CPS who make a charging decision. What make you thinks senior policeman would sit down in front of a victim and pressure her into making a false allegation I'll never know. That just does not happen. The CPS will only run with a case if there is at least an 80% chance of a conviction at court, that's a fact. If the police had told the alleged victim that there was no case you'd probably still be slagging them off for other reasons, they are not judge and jury, they obtain and present evidence, that's it. A jury found Evans guilty, not the police or the CPS. " | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
How are those 2 scenerios different? Both include being too d*unk so therefore it would be deemed taking advantage.
Because it's the difference between consent (rape) or not . Example, d*unken man gives you £20 in a pub, you take it, in the morning he can't remember giving it to you , have you stolen it from him?
No but anyone with morals would say " I don't want it mate your d*unk" "What is he doesn't appear that d*unk. You may think it's immoral but it doesn't make you a thief or a rapist | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
How are those 2 scenerios different? Both include being too d*unk so therefore it would be deemed taking advantage.
Because it's the difference between consent (rape) or not . Example, d*unken man gives you £20 in a pub, you take it, in the morning he can't remember giving it to you , have you stolen it from him?
No but anyone with morals would say " I don't want it mate your d*unk" "Anyway , many people with morals would be appalled at what you are doing on here, | |||
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"Getting pissed involves Consequences for woman and men..If you are lying in a doorway with yr skirt up to yr neck,people may take advantage of you..If you are lying in a field with yr wallet and phone sticking out yr pocket,people may take advantage of you.this will never change.Personal responsibility begins with looking after yourself " | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 14/10/16 18:54:40]" I said at the time when Jess started sticking her nose in she should keep it fucking well out, she only had her name on a stand at the SUFC ground because the club recognised what she did in her career, when she started dictating what and who and it affected the club financially the club acted quickly and got her name off the stand, she doesn't go to watch united but was classed as a united fan, I doubt very much she has been to the ground since or will ever again in the future.Jess is a near neighbour of mine and I see her regularly in the village we live, I'm also a season ticket holder and shareholder at SUFC so I probably have more of an insight than most and my position still stands, "Jess, keep your fucking nose out of business that's not yours" | |||
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"If It was true that she was toooo d*unk but gave consent had sex with the first guy .. does she get even more d*unk to not give consent to Evans ????.. as the first guy was cleared of all charges months n months ago .... if it had been two Joe public it would never went as far .. .. .. " Your level of d*unkenness does not remain constant when you finish your last drink. As you absorb more over time. apparently it is quite common for those who are stopped for drink driving to show a considerably higher level at the police station breath test than they do at the side of the road breath test. | |||
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"Just got home and seen the news . Of course he was not guilty , an absolute joke that he was convicted in the first place . It only took the jury 3 hours to clear him . If there was any justice the women would be charged now , along with the police who encouraged her . Thank goodness there's some hope in this crazy world we live in ." | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 14/10/16 18:54:40]I said at the time when Jess started sticking her nose in she should keep it fucking well out, she only had her name on a stand at the SUFC ground because the club recognised what she did in her career, when she started dictating what and who and it affected the club financially the club acted quickly and got her name off the stand, she doesn't go to watch united but was classed as a united fan, I doubt very much she has been to the ground since or will ever again in the future.Jess is a near neighbour of mine and I see her regularly in the village we live, I'm also a season ticket holder and shareholder at SUFC so I probably have more of an insight than most and my position still stands, "Jess, keep your fucking nose out of business that's not yours"" I think if he was guilty she had a point. But as the case was so iffy I thought the same as you. I hope she has the bollox to come out and say something.... maybe sorry. | |||
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"She was too waisted to give consent there for it is rape because she was in no state to say no and she couldn't remember. They based it on cctv footage which showed her being carried into the hotel. To be honest if he wasn't known it wouldn't of made it to court in the first place. Young men are relatively clueless when it comes to respecting an overly itoxicated woman. Being as she never verbally said no he probably took it as OK. Does that make it right though? It may not be out and out rape but it is abuse and completely taking advantage of a vulnerable person. Too d*unk to give consent or too d*unk to remember giving consent are massively different scenarios. Spot on,
How are those 2 scenerios different? Both include being too d*unk so therefore it would be deemed taking advantage.
Because it's the difference between consent (rape) or not . Example, d*unken man gives you £20 in a pub, you take it, in the morning he can't remember giving it to you , have you stolen it from him?
No but anyone with morals would say " I don't want it mate your d*unk"
Anyway , many people with morals would be appalled at what you are doing on here, "Would they really ? Why what crime am I commiting ? | |||
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"So many years of prime footballing life gone and his career all but destroyed because of a false rape allegation. I truly hope that Northy Wales Police and the CPS get roasted for this. As for the girl - what on earth is going to happen to her now? Any one who goes out gets pissed and goes back to hotel room with someone?? Really what do they expect is going to happen ??" Quite right, she shouldn't put herself in that situation, but equally he shouldn't have taken advantage of the situation. Getting d*unk can have its downfalls and get you in situations that maybe you wouldn't, if you were sober and if you're sober, you are more capable of making a decision. | |||
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"So many years of prime footballing life gone and his career all but destroyed because of a false rape allegation. I truly hope that Northy Wales Police and the CPS get roasted for this. As for the girl - what on earth is going to happen to her now? Any one who goes out gets pissed and goes back to hotel room with someone?? Really what do they expect is going to happen ??" Right. So then what? she was asking for it? Give me strength. | |||
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