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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Looks like fracking could be given the green light today.
Is Fracking a good idea or a bad idea.
We really do need the gas as currently we import most of our gas from Russia and the States.
It isn't as invasive as coal mining and heard it called key hole surgery this morning, as it is something like an 8" diameter opening.
Would like to see what everyone esle's opinion on this is.  |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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A bit like all those who live in new houses but dont want more anywhere near them, NIMBYs, we need the energy end of, if you dont want it to happen then disconnect yourself from the grid and then I would have respect for them |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Looks like fracking could be given the green light today.
Is Fracking a good idea or a bad idea.
We really do need the gas as currently we import most of our gas from Russia and the States.
It isn't as invasive as coal mining and heard it called key hole surgery this morning, as it is something like an 8" diameter opening.
Would like to see what everyone esle's opinion on this is. "
This will be the wedge, this decision will set president for whole of UK, perhaps even open the doorway to Scotland where it is banned.
Normal strings exist of surface 30" Conductor, 20" Casing, 13.3/8" Casing. 9.5/8" Casing. and then 7" tubing
once the hole has been drilled and tubing run, they normally insert a string of explosives, wireline companies normally complete this and it is called perforating, where they send the string of explosives down to a certain depth and set off to both fracture the tubing and the rock formations outside the tubing.
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Once this is completed, Fracking begins.
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We need to know where the pot (fresh) water supply comes from, if already borehole aquifers then its an easy job as long as the same aquifer is not used to supply water to homes.
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Supply & removal of drill water & fracking water will be a high concern
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Production of the extracted gas will also be of high concern - running pipelines, gas make up, uncontrolled release etc.
On a whole it will be very good for the UK, perhaps not so good for the local area. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Looks like fracking could be given the green light today.
Is Fracking a good idea or a bad idea.
We really do need the gas as currently we import most of our gas from Russia and the States.
It isn't as invasive as coal mining and heard it called key hole surgery this morning, as it is something like an 8" diameter opening.
Would like to see what everyone esle's opinion on this is. "
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Firstly.... We actually import most of our gas from Norway after that it's Qatar....
Home Production nosedived around 2000 while consumption went through the roof.
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Now let's get to the point about fracking, it's a fossil fuel, it will contaminate, some of the well linings will break for one reason or another.
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Now more crucially we've just signed up to keeping the world below a 2 degree temperature rise basically to do that we cannot put out more than around 500 gigatons of carbon.... There's about 7500 gigatons of carbon fossil fuel left in reserves, that means we're going to have to leave 7000 gigatons in the ground..... Now bearing that in mind, what's the fucking point of spending 100 million pounds a day in fossil fuel exploration?????.
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When your in a hole it's time to stop digging.... And we're(the human species) in a very very very big hole.
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Ps if you want fossil fuel energy just dig up the friggin coal, there's about 180 years worth.... But don't say I didn't warn you when your wandering around in the day with a mask on like people in Beijing |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Firstly.... We actually import most of our gas from Norway after that it's Qatar....
Home Production nosedived around 2000 while consumption went through the roof.
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%%%%%% actually at most, we import around 50% at this moment in time %%%%%%
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Now let's get to the point about fracking, it's a fossil fuel, it will contaminate, some of the well linings will break for one reason or another.
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%%%% of course well linings will break, they are constructed to allow us to blow holes in them with explosives, topside is your most concern %%%%%%%%
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Now more crucially we've just signed up to keeping the world below a 2 degree temperature rise basically to do that we cannot put out more than around 500 gigatons of carbon.... There's about 7500 gigatons of carbon fossil fuel left in reserves,
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%%%%% is that world reserves?? where do you pinch your figures? ive been in the oil industry 30 years and very few use that term or even understand it lol %%%%%%
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When your in a hole it's time to stop digging.... And we're(the human species) in a very very very big hole.
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stuff the hole, I prefer a sunny island (Oahu) and oil & gas pays my way %%%%%
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Ps if you want fossil fuel energy just dig up the friggin coal, there's about 180 years worth.... But don't say I didn't warn you when your wandering around in the day with a mask on like people in Beijing
. %%%%%% We already done that in early 70's and before, cant you remember the smog, or were you too young / not born? %%%%%"
and if we follow your route, how do we run our cars, fuel our planes, heat our homes
Oil & Gas Rocks man |
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Oil and gas certainly has been brilliant for us, unfortunately the time has come that were going to have to stop using it or basically face an uninhabitable planet in less than a hundred years.
Choice is yours |
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"Oil and gas certainly has been brilliant for us, unfortunately the time has come that were going to have to stop using it or basically face an uninhabitable planet in less than a hundred years.
Choice is yours"
you do realise we have tightened up on emmisions, leaks, flaring, contamination and educating employees
this has improved almost 100% since the 80's,
we have flaring consents now which must be met or pay huge penalties / fines
all leaks reported
and most importantly employees educated, what happened on the Clair platform last week used to be a regular nightly occurrence on nightshift when employees would dump crude to sea until correct BS&W figures and overboards were achieved for midnight reports
This no longer happens, and vast improvements world wide
Things are getting much better |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oil and gas certainly has been brilliant for us, unfortunately the time has come that were going to have to stop using it or basically face an uninhabitable planet in less than a hundred years.
Choice is yours
you do realise we have tightened up on emmisions, leaks, flaring, contamination and educating employees
this has improved almost 100% since the 80's,
we have flaring consents now which must be met or pay huge penalties / fines
all leaks reported
and most importantly employees educated, what happened on the Clair platform last week used to be a regular nightly occurrence on nightshift when employees would dump crude to sea until correct BS&W figures and overboards were achieved for midnight reports
This no longer happens, and vast improvements world wide
Things are getting much better"
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I know you've done alot better but let's face facts bp have got an oil leak now as we speak in the north sea, accidents will and do happen, now that oil will break up and pollute the sea water, not great for sea life but most of us won't notice!
When you have that same accident and it gets into your drinking water.... And it will, you'll notice it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's an industry a very big, very profitable industry just like tobacco and asbestos it will try to hold onto it for as long as possible, the asbestos industry held onto it for fifty years after they knew it caused mesothelioma, they said the same thing your saying how will we lag our pipes how will we fire line steel... Technology comes through when you allow it too, in those cases we practically instilled bans and out those bans came solutions, today we make fire linings asbestos free cheaper than could have been done using asbestos.
The only solution to "getting off" fossil fuels is to price them out of the market and allow free market enterprise and ingenuity to fill the void.....
Or you can just keep digging big holes |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Things are getting much better.
I know you've done alot better but let's face facts bp have got an oil leak now as we speak in the north sea, accidents will and do happen, now that oil will break up and pollute the sea water, not great for sea life but most of us won't notice!
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When you have that same accident and it gets into your drinking water.... And it will, you'll notice it
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what about the chemicals already in our drinking water (mains supplied) never mind the people relaying on bore hole supply
are they safe to drink, do you trust the government with the chemicals they put in your water to drink at present??
if so, what does a few other little chemicals matter from Fracking, such as benzene, mercury etc |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As expected the govt has pandered to commercial interests and given it the go-ahead.
We have millions of tons of another fossil fuel called eh...coal!? But we're so sophisticated now Wales imports its from AUSTRALIA.
I think the time might be right for an intelligent person to put together a credible energy policy...preferably before the fracking earthquakes start! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As expected the govt has pandered to commercial interests and given it the go-ahead.
We have millions of tons of another fossil fuel called eh...coal!? But we're so sophisticated now Wales imports its from AUSTRALIA.
I think the time might be right for an intelligent person to put together a credible energy policy...preferably before the fracking earthquakes start! "
its okay, its only down south |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Things are getting much better.
I know you've done alot better but let's face facts bp have got an oil leak now as we speak in the north sea, accidents will and do happen, now that oil will break up and pollute the sea water, not great for sea life but most of us won't notice!
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When you have that same accident and it gets into your drinking water.... And it will, you'll notice it
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what about the chemicals already in our drinking water (mains supplied) never mind the people relaying on bore hole supply
are they safe to drink, do you trust the government with the chemicals they put in your water to drink at present??
if so, what does a few other little chemicals matter from Fracking, such as benzene, mercury etc"
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I can never quite tell wether your being sarcastic or serious?...
Let's pretend your being serious for a minute.
Bore hole water usually has filters applied to it to remove small particulates and occasionally you'll need a uv system for killing the nastier bacteria and pathogens.
Tap water is checked 3 times a day by the water authority it has to meet very stringent guide lines set out by regulation.... Benzine and mercury would definitely be a no no along with many radioactive toxins |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Things are getting much better.
I know you've done alot better but let's face facts bp have got an oil leak now as we speak in the north sea, accidents will and do happen, now that oil will break up and pollute the sea water, not great for sea life but most of us won't notice!
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When you have that same accident and it gets into your drinking water.... And it will, you'll notice it
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what about the chemicals already in our drinking water (mains supplied) never mind the people relaying on bore hole supply
are they safe to drink, do you trust the government with the chemicals they put in your water to drink at present??
if so, what does a few other little chemicals matter from Fracking, such as benzene, mercury etc.
I can never quite tell wether your being sarcastic or serious?...
Let's pretend your being serious for a minute.
Bore hole water usually has filters applied to it to remove small particulates and occasionally you'll need a uv system for killing the nastier bacteria and pathogens.
Tap water is checked 3 times a day by the water authority it has to meet very stringent guide lines set out by regulation.... Benzine and mercury would definitely be a no no along with many radioactive toxins"
sarcastic or serious
on most occasions both; a little mix of each, just to keep you on your toes
I have mains water supply and the taste is terrible, - tinny and chlorine, its a new build home, (10 years old) so the yellow plastic piping supply. Tea, coffee and simply drinking from the tap is not nice. I use bottled water for these purposes, so I am not getting my daily supply of chlorine either.
You are spot on with bore holes, but many residents with bore hole supply have old filter systems and do not have upto date UV lighting nor do they know how to test the water they drink.
Bore hole aquifer contamination is possibly the worst threat of Fracking contamination.
To extract the methane from fracking, other gases are extracted too, and deposits of mercury and the cancerous benzene as well as other nasty's (not the labour party) are deposited. all of which can easily leak into aquifers.
Then ofcourse fracking water supply, has anyone found out where they will get their supply? I haven't been arsed looking |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oil and gas certainly has been brilliant for us, unfortunately the time has come that were going to have to stop using it or basically face an uninhabitable planet in less than a hundred years.
Choice is yours"
Must say that's a new one I've not heard of.... our planet WILL be uninhabitable in LESS than a hundred years.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oil and gas certainly has been brilliant for us, unfortunately the time has come that were going to have to stop using it or basically face an uninhabitable planet in less than a hundred years.
Choice is yours
Must say that's a new one I've not heard of.... our planet WILL be uninhabitable in LESS than a hundred years.
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that's pretty much the mainstream view of the top climatologists.
Do you read much of the scientific literature and data?....
Did you realise that the Paris accord limits warming to 2 degrees and that to achieve that we must reduce c02 output by around 80% in 14 years time |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Oil and gas certainly has been brilliant for us, unfortunately the time has come that were going to have to stop using it or basically face an uninhabitable planet in less than a hundred years.
Choice is yours
you do realise we have tightened up on emmisions, leaks, flaring, contamination and educating employees
this has improved almost 100% since the 80's,
we have flaring consents now which must be met or pay huge penalties / fines
all leaks reported
and most importantly employees educated, what happened on the Clair platform last week used to be a regular nightly occurrence on nightshift when employees would dump crude to sea until correct BS&W figures and overboards were achieved for midnight reports
This no longer happens, and vast improvements world wide
Things are getting much better"
I didnt see any evidence of this when I worked on the rigs in the 80s
Not saying it didnt happen,however like I said saw no evidence of this and I worked nights and days on the drill floor.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Then ofcourse fracking water supply, has anyone found out where they will get their supply? I haven't been arsed looking "
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Standard inland practise is take it out of the aquifers and than find somewhere nice and deep and remote to reinject into, I mean nobody wants to pay to clean those hundreds of thousands of gallons of water so just inject it back into the ground.... See it's all about the profit and that's why they lobbied very hard to self regulate |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If you guys think fracking is good...look at the documentary they did on it in America....it pollutes the water....it makes the water they use...undrinkable...and some household could even set alight there drinking water !!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fracking is bad for the local environmental. Fossil fuels are bad for the global environment. Governments overriding local councils is bad for democracy."
But not when its the EU overriding governments? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fracking is bad for the local environmental. Fossil fuels are bad for the global environment. Governments overriding local councils is bad for democracy.
But not when its the EU overriding governments?"
Whilst you like to make everything about Brexit, the initiative to allow fracking was and is a sovereign one. The fact is the government is ignoring the will of the local populace and pushing on with it. I thought it was a leftie thing for government to be that intrusive?
Serious note though, 85% against it for me.
There are a lot of risks that pro-frackers dismiss with, 'oh but it is less intrusive' 'oh we'll have tight regulations'. When it comes to risks surrounding drinking water and peoples homes, if the can be avoided, they should be. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I actually spent a little over two years campaigning against fracking in Lancashire in particular, in those two years we managed to get fracking disapproval from 27% to over 60% by providing information.
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Personally I find it very very disappointing to see the government overturn local decisions, however I have been telling people that was their intensions when they introduced that new legislation although they worded it the opposite way |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oil and gas certainly has been brilliant for us, unfortunately the time has come that were going to have to stop using it or basically face an uninhabitable planet in less than a hundred years.
Choice is yours
you do realise we have tightened up on emmisions, leaks, flaring, contamination and educating employees
this has improved almost 100% since the 80's,
we have flaring consents now which must be met or pay huge penalties / fines
all leaks reported
and most importantly employees educated, what happened on the Clair platform last week used to be a regular nightly occurrence on nightshift when employees would dump crude to sea until correct BS&W figures and overboards were achieved for midnight reports
This no longer happens, and vast improvements world wide
Things are getting much better
I didnt see any evidence of this when I worked on the rigs in the 80s
Not saying it didnt happen,however like I said saw no evidence of this and I worked nights and days on the drill floor. "
you don't see much at all on the drill floor, the real work is in production |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you guys think fracking is good...look at the documentary they did on it in America....it pollutes the water....it makes the water they use...undrinkable...and some household could even set alight there drinking water !!! "
that's okay, its only happening down South, way down South, in Elgland land
I saw some of these documentaries, and smile when I say them with lighter at tap, thinking this is a bloody set up "fix" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We are in favour of fracking, we live in an energy hungry country and needs will overcome protests."
Totally agree, im in favour too (down South) way down South, keep it BANNED up in Scotland, we will just share your Southern gas
hell we might even refine it for you |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"We are in favour of fracking, we live in an energy hungry country and needs will overcome protests.
Totally agree, im in favour too (down South) way down South, keep it BANNED up in Scotland, we will just share your Southern gas
hell we might even refine it for you "
We are also in favour of an independent Scotland and hope that all of the UK gets to vote on the matter next time..... |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Fracking is bad for the local environmental. Fossil fuels are bad for the global environment. Governments overriding local councils is bad for democracy.
But not when its the EU overriding governments?
Whilst you like to make everything about Brexit, the initiative to allow fracking was and is a sovereign one. The fact is the government is ignoring the will of the local populace and pushing on with it. I thought it was a leftie thing for government to be that intrusive?
Serious note though, 85% against it for me.
There are a lot of risks that pro-frackers dismiss with, 'oh but it is less intrusive' 'oh we'll have tight regulations'. When it comes to risks surrounding drinking water and peoples homes, if the can be avoided, they should be."
Its all very well having decisions like this taken on local levels BUT the problem is no one wants new houses near them,no new roads near no new industry near them yet want new houses for their kids new jobs for them and new roads to reduce the time they queue in traffic. We cant have it always we either stagnate or we grow and some times the government have to overule the nimbys |
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Yep!
Conservative Lord Howell, who was energy secretary from 1979 to 1981, summed it up when he said:
"I mean there obviously are, in beautiful natural areas, worries about not just the drilling and the fracking, which I think are exaggerated, but about the trucks, and the delivery, and the roads, and the disturbance, and those about justified worries."
He added: "But there are large and uninhabited and desolate areas. Certainly in part of the North East where there's plenty of room for fracking, well away from anybody's residence, where we could conduct without any kind of threat to the rural environment."
Guess the desolation extends to the North West too (not the Tory South East tho). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Not only is Fracking banned in Scotland but also
The Scottish government has said it "cannot support" underground coal gasification, after a new report raised environmental concerns.
Energy minister Paul Wheelhouse told MSPs that the gas extraction technique "poses numerous and serious environmental risks".
He said it would have "no place in Scotland's energy mix at this time".
Green groups welcomed the news, but the Conservatives said they were "deeply disappointed".
Mr Wheelhouse said separate reports on the banned hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, would be published after the parliamentary recess,
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By (user no longer on site)
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The world needs and will probably get a carbon fee tariff.
All this debate about houses and nimbys is just stuff and nonsense.
Paris accord was signed and ratified by every nation on earth, we've agreed to limit warming to a maximum of 2 degrees but preferably 1.5 were currently nearly 1 degrees already.... Were going to have to leave millions and millions of tonnes of carbon underground.
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We were beaten to the new "petroleum" technological jump by Germany in the late 1800s....
Let's not make the same mistake twice....
The future does not include fossil fuels it's going to be alot of other things and not one thing that replaces it |
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It wasn't long ago that I was listening to a protest group complaining about a wind farm in North Lincs. Every single occurrence appears to draw out those with fuck all better to do.
Fracking happens in other countries and there haven't been a deluge of reported accidents or damage to the local environment. The world is running out of options on fuel, so I believe we should explore every opportunity.
We are an island, so perhaps hydro electricity should be used more than it is? |
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"Fracking happens in other countries and there haven't been a deluge of reported accidents or damage to the local environment. The world is running out of options on fuel, so I believe we should explore every opportunity."
As far as I know there have been many reports of contamination of the water-table where fracking has taken place. This has mostly been ignored as it been in sparsely populated parts of the USA where the impact has been low. Also all the incidents have been blamed on bad practice rather than inherent danger.
Considering we are one of the most densely populated countries in the world and suffer from regular water shortages I have to say permanently contaminating part of an already scarce resource at the same time risking the complete resource strikes me as not just irresponsible and cavalier but down right criminal!
But don't worry its only the northern deindustrialised wastelands (thanks Maggie) that are being put at risk. There is a magic barrier that will protect the Tory idles of Middle and Southern England from the pollution that will no doubt come as a result of fracking.  |
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I was wondering pretty much the same thing, where are they going to get all of this water from to use in this process and as it's contaminated afterwards what about e they going to do with it? I'm not a chemist so don't really know the details |
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"I was wondering pretty much the same thing, where are they going to get all of this water from to use in this process and as it's contaminated afterwards what about e they going to do with it? I'm not a chemist so don't really know the details "
As I understand it the plan that has been approved is for a borehole to be drilled into the local aquifer and water be drawn from that, added to the chemical and sand mix and pumped into the test wells. The contaminated overflow and stuff (gas and contaminates) out of the well will be collected in tankers and transported to a remote site for safe storage underground...
Personally I give it less than 6 months from the start of fracking before the land and water table both where they are drilling and storing the contaminated slurry is contaminated. But the fault will not be fracking, it will be 'bad practice' and 'operator error'.  |
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"They actually reinject into the bedrock in the states.
It's why Oklahoma has had around 5000% increase in earthquakes"
OK, but I am quite sure I have heard/read that that will not be done at the fracking sites but in a remote location where there will be no risk of causing harm.
Now exactly where that could be in the UK is not clear to me. Maybe they intend to take the stuff to Cape Wrath, or Gruinard Island (anthrax Island)... |
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"Looks like fracking could be given the green light today.
Is Fracking a good idea or a bad idea.
We really do need the gas as currently we import most of our gas from Russia and the States.
It isn't as invasive as coal mining and heard it called key hole surgery this morning, as it is something like an 8" diameter opening.
Would like to see what everyone esle's opinion on this is.
This will be the wedge, this decision will set president for whole of UK, perhaps even open the doorway to Scotland where it is banned.
Normal strings exist of surface 30" Conductor, 20" Casing, 13.3/8" Casing. 9.5/8" Casing. and then 7" tubing
once the hole has been drilled and tubing run, they normally insert a string of explosives, wireline companies normally complete this and it is called perforating, where they send the string of explosives down to a certain depth and set off to both fracture the tubing and the rock formations outside the tubing.
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Once this is completed, Fracking begins.
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We need to know where the pot (fresh) water supply comes from, if already borehole aquifers then its an easy job as long as the same aquifer is not used to supply water to homes.
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Supply & removal of drill water & fracking water will be a high concern
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Production of the extracted gas will also be of high concern - running pipelines, gas make up, uncontrolled release etc.
On a whole it will be very good for the UK, perhaps not so good for the local area."
Currently working in the oil and gas industry the technology is becoming more advanced.
The UK will work under strict guidelines to prevent accedetal release. However I have seen an acid fracutre go wrong and it's not something I would want near a built up area. PS it was big red lol. |
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"...is becoming more advanced. "
Becoming...
So not advanced yet...
Guess we can all cross our fingers and hope it'll be OK then...
"The UK will work under strict guidelines to prevent accedetal release. However I have seen an acid fracutre go wrong and it's not something I would want near a built up area. PS it was big red lol. "
So you wont be buying or recommending that your friends or family buy one of the houses directly across the road from where the first exploration well is being sunk? Or in the village 2 miles down the road that is the proposed site for second one?
How would you feel about living in Preston? About 10 miles directly down wind (east) from both sites? |
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"...is becoming more advanced.
Becoming...
So not advanced yet...
Guess we can all cross our fingers and hope it'll be OK then...
The UK will work under strict guidelines to prevent accedetal release. However I have seen an acid fracutre go wrong and it's not something I would want near a built up area. PS it was big red lol.
So you wont be buying or recommending that your friends or family buy one of the houses directly across the road from where the first exploration well is being sunk? Or in the village 2 miles down the road that is the proposed site for second one?
How would you feel about living in Preston? About 10 miles directly down wind (east) from both sites?"
I don't make rules I just design the machines.
If the government push through there is not alot unfortunately anyone will be able to do about it.
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"They actually reinject into the bedrock in the states.
It's why Oklahoma has had around 5000% increase in earthquakes
OK, but I am quite sure I have heard/read that that will not be done at the fracking sites but in a remote location where there will be no risk of causing harm.
Now exactly where that could be in the UK is not clear to me. Maybe they intend to take the stuff to Cape Wrath, or Gruinard Island (anthrax Island)..."
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They say lots of stuff they have absolutely no intentions of doing, there self regulating... Who's gonna be watching???
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There's no big profit in fracking as it is, half the firm's in the states have already gone bust, there running on junk bonds issued at 10 to 20% bought by speculative fuckwits in an office in London using credit supplied by the UK at 0.75%..... Somebody's under some illusion that there MIGHT be big profits sometime in the future, vertical fracking has been around for decades, most of the shale sites have been found and located decades ago, they were all found while looking for traditional oil fields but back then oil was cheap and plentiful so they hardly touched them, then somebody came up with bendy drilling allowing horizontal fracturing, whooppee do, the Wells still practically dry up after a year, you constantly end up drill drill drilling, moving rigs, pipes, holding tanks, roads.... The truth is fracking is a costly business compared to traditional methods.
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Most of the companies lie about everything, they over egg every field with talk of "100 years of gas" it's utter bollocks, just look at how they had to downplay the big fields in the states like the Marcellus,bakken and Newark all downgraded by 70 80 or 95% once there'd be given approval, the Bakken alone is almost dead already!!.
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And I keep saying it even though your all ignoring it as the inconvenient truth it is.... Where meant to be getting off fossil fuels before disaster looms 80% reductions in just 14 years???. |
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"Not only is Fracking banned in Scotland but also
The Scottish government has said it "cannot support" underground coal gasification, after a new report raised environmental concerns.
Energy minister Paul Wheelhouse told MSPs that the gas extraction technique "poses numerous and serious environmental risks".
He said it would have "no place in Scotland's energy mix at this time".
Green groups welcomed the news, but the Conservatives said they were "deeply disappointed".
Mr Wheelhouse said separate reports on the banned hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, would be published after the parliamentary recess,
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Fracking isn't banned in Scotland, there's a 'moratorium' on it. When there was a vote in June to ban it every single SNP member voted against a ban.
I could be wrong but I think the SNP are gearing up to allow it. They commisioned a report that recommended it and then kinda ignored that as they were afraid of a backlash but their failure to vote to ban it, the fact they are saying the will make a decision AFTER their party conference and those secretive meetings with Ineos makes me think it will be allowed. Not allowing coal gassification is just a bone thrown out to appease those who are against it.
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"For those who object to fracking and its introduction to the UK why not google unfrack me visit the site and find out if your energy supplier is supporting fracking and swap suppliers if they do. If you refuse to take power from the energy suppliers that are funding fracking the money dries up and the frackers will be out of business. 
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I can see you are trying to say and make people aware of what's going on but the reality is people will always go for the best value for money on energy requirements.
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"Not only is Fracking banned in Scotland but also
The Scottish government has said it "cannot support" underground coal gasification, after a new report raised environmental concerns.
Energy minister Paul Wheelhouse told MSPs that the gas extraction technique "poses numerous and serious environmental risks".
He said it would have "no place in Scotland's energy mix at this time".
Green groups welcomed the news, but the Conservatives said they were "deeply disappointed".
Mr Wheelhouse said separate reports on the banned hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, would be published after the parliamentary recess,
Fracking isn't banned in Scotland, there's a 'moratorium' on it. When there was a vote in June to ban it every single SNP member voted against a ban.
I could be wrong but I think the SNP are gearing up to allow it. They commisioned a report that recommended it and then kinda ignored that as they were afraid of a backlash but their failure to vote to ban it, the fact they are saying the will make a decision AFTER their party conference and those secretive meetings with Ineos makes me think it will be allowed. Not allowing coal gassification is just a bone thrown out to appease those who are against it.
All imho of course..."
The Scottish Parliament has voted to support an outright ban on fracking after SNP MSPs abstained.
Labour tabled an amendment saying there "should" be a full ban as part of an environment debate headed by new cabinet secretary Roseanna Cunningham.
After SNP members abstained, the motion was passed by 32 votes to 29.
yes there's a 'moratorium' on it and a ban on underground coal gasification which is the easier, safer option but still banned and work cancelled
Labour MSP Claudia Beamish put forward an amendment asking parliament to "recognise that, to meet Scotland's climate change goals and protect the environment, there must be an outright ban on fracking in Scotland".
She said parliament could "send out a very clear signal" by backing a ban, and warned that the SNP was faced with a choice "to side with centre left parties like Labour to stop fracking, or side with the Tories to go ahead with this dangerous plan".
A number of other Labour MSPs also spoke out backing the motion, with several repeating the slogan "no ifs, no buts, no fracking".
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"I can see you are trying to say and make people aware of what's going on but the reality is people will always go for the best value for money on energy requirements.
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True...
But the funny thing is the company that has had the cheapest tariffs for years Ovo (my energy supplier) have one of the cheapest energy supply tariffs does not financially support or buy energy from the frackers. While the 'big six' who have consistently had such high tariffs that they have made the news year after year because of their profiteering do.
So as I said, if you don't like fracking pop on to the site check out the companies that don't support the frackers. Then swap suppliers and put the fuckers out of business! |
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"I can see you are trying to say and make people aware of what's going on but the reality is people will always go for the best value for money on energy requirements.
True...
But the funny thing is the company that has had the cheapest tariffs for years Ovo (my energy supplier) have one of the cheapest energy supply tariffs does not financially support or buy energy from the frackers. While the 'big six' who have consistently had such high tariffs that they have made the news year after year because of their profiteering do.
So as I said, if you don't like fracking pop on to the site check out the companies that don't support the frackers. Then swap suppliers and put the fuckers out of business!"
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