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"Broadcast on public forum emails? Keep hard copies by taking screenshots...it would at least be useful evidence at a tribunal or for your union representative." He already has these. I copy everything as I know it adds to ny case. But our company has really good lawyers and no one ever wins against them! Have looked at Sickness sign off, but our Co only does SSP and with them taking off £50 pw for live in costs, it's not a viable option. I could walk out but that could affect benefits. Plus finding f/t work at 61, is daunting! | |||
"He already has these. I copy everything as I know it adds to ny case. But our company has really good lawyers and no one ever wins against them!" Sounds like a pretty crappy union to be a member of in my opinion. | |||
"He already has these. I copy everything as I know it adds to ny case. But our company has really good lawyers and no one ever wins against them! Sounds like a pretty crappy union to be a member of in my opinion." TBH, he actually has managed to stop me being a victim of incorrectly applied and illegal disciplinary processes which in turn has put more noses out of joint in work. We have no HR dept locally, just some central HR guy at HO who doesn't know ne amongst 4000+ staff. | |||
 pardon my French but I fucking well despise bullies. | |||
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"That sounds awful. Would it be a possibility for you to set a small business up on your own in something? If it's affecting your health I would seriously consider getting signed off. No job is worth making yourself ill over. Just because no-one has won a case before doesn't mean you won't. Sounds pretty conclusive. I hope things get better soon pardon my French but I fucking well despise bullies."The route down Constructive Dismissal is a strong possibility. I have always kept notes but the company didn't on the first 3 months which helps my case My business field is on a high at the mo, and support from contacts and those in industry is great. I just hate to make the right move and it's scary | |||
"That sounds awful. Would it be a possibility for you to set a small business up on your own in something? If it's affecting your health I would seriously consider getting signed off. No job is worth making yourself ill over. Just because no-one has won a case before doesn't mean you won't. Sounds pretty conclusive. I hope things get better soon pardon my French but I fucking well despise bullies.
The route down Constructive Dismissal is a strong possibility. I have always kept notes but the company didn't on the first 3 months which helps my case
My business field is on a high at the mo, and support from contacts and those in industry is great. I just hate to make the right move and it's scary"Typo. have to make the right move! | |||
"Broadcast on public forum emails? Keep hard copies by taking screenshots...it would at least be useful evidence at a tribunal or for your union representative. He already has these. I copy everything as I know it adds to ny case. But our company has really good lawyers and no one ever wins against them! Have looked at Sickness sign off, but our Co only does SSP and with them taking off £50 pw for live in costs, it's not a viable option. I could walk out but that could affect benefits. Plus finding f/t work at 61, is daunting!" Sorry to hear about your situation, from what you have said sign off is not the option you feel you can take. As I see it coping with what is happening and being able to manage your situation is important, perhaps look for help available with mental health, whilst your current issues in work may continue you should hopefully have coping mechanisms in place that help with your health issues. Medication has its place but so does support. | |||
"Broadcast on public forum emails? Keep hard copies by taking screenshots...it would at least be useful evidence at a tribunal or for your union representative. He already has these. I copy everything as I know it adds to ny case. But our company has really good lawyers and no one ever wins against them! Have looked at Sickness sign off, but our Co only does SSP and with them taking off £50 pw for live in costs, it's not a viable option. I could walk out but that could affect benefits. Plus finding f/t work at 61, is daunting! Sorry to hear about your situation, from what you have said sign off is not the option you feel you can take. As I see it coping with what is happening and being able to manage your situation is important, perhaps look for help available with mental health, whilst your current issues in work may continue you should hopefully have coping mechanisms in place that help with your health issues. Medication has its place but so does support. " Thanks to you and everyone else. At the back of this, I know the relentless pressure will continue. I know, as do my supporters too, my job will cease sometime in the next 2 months as the company slowly exerts all their due processes. I am a thorn in their side, as they now have to do everything legally and they hate that! My GP says that time, however difficult, will be a release and take the pressure off. | |||
then fight them all the way. | |||
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"Here I am at 60+, thinking I was strong and would never be in this position but now I am, can't figure a way out! Moved within company 6 months ago but job expectations have not matched reality. It is tough, as only guy amongst 12 female colleagues. Company wanted to demote me in title, role, salary etc but I refused to accept. They did so anyway, but I won on appeal and was restored to existing levels and T&C's. But bullying has continued, subtle at times but I know my face doesn't fit in here. Line management up to Senior levels are complicit. What started as stress is now Depression, and being treated as such. Sleep is difficult each night and exhaustion creeps in each day. Yes, I make mistakes, but these are broadcast on public forum emails, which adds to my stress, strain and growing lack of confidence in my job! GP and my Union rep are outstanding. Trying to look for work, but severe Internet access issues in this region make online applications impossible. Only decent Net access thru ny small phone. Thus feeling kind of isolated, emotionally drained and wondering what to do..." I'll try to get my flatmate (who specialises in employment law and is on Fab!) to have a look at this asap but I think you might have a good case here. | |||
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"Broadcast on public forum emails? Keep hard copies by taking screenshots...it would at least be useful evidence at a tribunal or for your union representative. He already has these. I copy everything as I know it adds to ny case. But our company has really good lawyers and no one ever wins against them! Have looked at Sickness sign off, but our Co only does SSP and with them taking off £50 pw for live in costs, it's not a viable option. I could walk out but that could affect benefits. Plus finding f/t work at 61, is daunting!" Hmmmmmmm, just because no one wins doesn't mean you can't. Frequently "no one wins" can be a myth perpetrated to dissuade people from taking action. I took a previous company to an industrial tribunal. Second largest construction company in the world, global turnover £37m a day. They turned up with all their senior directors, top legal team, all fighting little old me, all on my ownsome. I won. The details of the financial settlement are subject to a non disclosure agreement. So OP, keep your evidence close, don't leave it on the company pc. Get signed off long term sick and rip them a new one. Good luck!!!!!!! | |||
"Broadcast on public forum emails? Keep hard copies by taking screenshots...it would at least be useful evidence at a tribunal or for your union representative. He already has these. I copy everything as I know it adds to ny case. But our company has really good lawyers and no one ever wins against them! Have looked at Sickness sign off, but our Co only does SSP and with them taking off £50 pw for live in costs, it's not a viable option. I could walk out but that could affect benefits. Plus finding f/t work at 61, is daunting! Hmmmmmmm, just because no one wins doesn't mean you can't. Frequently "no one wins" can be a myth perpetrated to dissuade people from taking action. I took a previous company to an industrial tribunal. Second largest construction company in the world, global turnover £37m a day. They turned up with all their senior directors, top legal team, all fighting little old me, all on my ownsome. I won. The details of the financial settlement are subject to a non disclosure agreement. So OP, keep your evidence close, don't leave it on the company pc. Get signed off long term sick and rip them a new one. Good luck!!!!!!! " As above OP a lot of companies say they are unbeatable and alot of people believe it. But in reality alot of companies lose and settle with one of the conditions being a NDA so nobody hears about it. Play the card of being forced out causing you ill health and due to ill health caused by them and age you feel it impossible to find further employment. You may even get a settlement for the equivalent of the rest of the time you would've worked there | |||
"Go off sick, cut a deal, go for early retirement... Sail off into the sunset and not give them another thought... ?" This | |||
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"OP, I can talk from a position of experience, and with a Brother who has been an extremely succesful Employment Lawyer. I believe an extremely pertinent point to make is don't allow yourself to be bullied by your employer. You stated previously that you would not be optimisitec of a positive outcome in any tribunal because they have very good Lawyers. My response to this is don't be intimidated. By far, the majority of tribunal appeals fail (before they get to Court) because the 'employee' believes the 'employer' must be right and can't be succesfully challenged. In practice, this is total rubbish and, if you can muster the courage to persevere to the Tribunal hearing, your chances of success are, actually, extremely high. It looks, to me, as though any chance of a reconciliation with your employer is gone, so give thought to what you stand to lose by challenging them and, at the very least, you will retain your self respect, which might not sound much but I can assure you, it will mean a lot in the times when you are looking back on this." good luck I hope it goes your way . No one deserves to be treated in this manner  | |||
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"I'd agree with what joe said. Depending on how much sick pay you get, (I get 12 months) I'd go off sick with stress and play the system all with the mentality of fuck em. Sounds a shit thing to do, but from what you've said things aren't going to change. Take the time off to regroup yourself and start fresh with something new." this if you can xx life isnt worth living if you are fighting all the time..sending energy for you to be able to see a positive outcome of this for you (sod the company) but dont spend any more time struggling with fuckers that don't give a shit about you as a human..start loving yourself and work baby steps, from that point xx | |||
"OP, I can talk from a position of experience, and with a Brother who has been an extremely succesful Employment Lawyer. I believe an extremely pertinent point to make is don't allow yourself to be bullied by your employer. You stated previously that you would not be optimisitec of a positive outcome in any tribunal because they have very good Lawyers. My response to this is don't be intimidated. By far, the majority of tribunal appeals fail (before they get to Court) because the 'employee' believes the 'employer' must be right and can't be succesfully challenged. In practice, this is total rubbish and, if you can muster the courage to persevere to the Tribunal hearing, your chances of success are, actually, extremely high. It looks, to me, as though any chance of a reconciliation with your employer is gone, so give thought to what you stand to lose by challenging them and, at the very least, you will retain your self respect, which might not sound much but I can assure you, it will mean a lot in the times when you are looking back on this." Damn right!!!!!!!! My situation became frankly ridiculous. Bearing in mind the tribunal placed the NDA and heavily criticised the companies procedures. A couple of years later, during an inter_iew, the subject of my IT case came up. I asked how they new, turns out they had checked my references and the company had written back telling my prospective employer all about it. The guy inter_iewing me said he felt they had overstepped the mark, so I cheekily asked for a copy of the letter, which duly arrived. I went back to the tribunal and presented the letter. A further settlement duly arrived. Industrial Tribunals take this kind of shit very seriously and frequently find in favour of the small guy...... | |||
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"OP, I can talk from a position of experience, and with a Brother who has been an extremely succesful Employment Lawyer. I believe an extremely pertinent point to make is don't allow yourself to be bullied by your employer. You stated previously that you would not be optimisitec of a positive outcome in any tribunal because they have very good Lawyers. My response to this is don't be intimidated. By far, the majority of tribunal appeals fail (before they get to Court) because the 'employee' believes the 'employer' must be right and can't be succesfully challenged. In practice, this is total rubbish and, if you can muster the courage to persevere to the Tribunal hearing, your chances of success are, actually, extremely high. It looks, to me, as though any chance of a reconciliation with your employer is gone, so give thought to what you stand to lose by challenging them and, at the very least, you will retain your self respect, which might not sound much but I can assure you, it will mean a lot in the times when you are looking back on this. Damn right!!!!!!!! My situation became frankly ridiculous. Bearing in mind the tribunal placed the NDA and heavily criticised the companies procedures. A couple of years later, during an inter_iew, the subject of my IT case came up. I asked how they new, turns out they had checked my references and the company had written back telling my prospective employer all about it. The guy inter_iewing me said he felt they had overstepped the mark, so I cheekily asked for a copy of the letter, which duly arrived. I went back to the tribunal and presented the letter. A further settlement duly arrived. Industrial Tribunals take this kind of shit very seriously and frequently find in favour of the small guy...... " This
When i had my tribunal the judge basically told the companies legal to shut up and speak when spoken to because he kept interrupting.Theyre very much on the side of the little guy doesnt matter how big the company is or how good the legal team is. Tribunals are there to protect tge little guy and stop you from being abused by the company. | |||
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" Moved within company 6 months ago but job expectations have not matched reality. It is tough, as only guy amongst 12 female colleagues. " Fuck that! Been there, had that pain! Unless you are the type that can walk on egg shells for 50 hours a week then you are like a lamb to slaughter. If I ever walked into an office and had that situation again, I'd just turn right around on day one and walk back out. | |||
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"OP, I can talk from a position of experience, and with a Brother who has been an extremely succesful Employment Lawyer. I believe an extremely pertinent point to make is don't allow yourself to be bullied by your employer. You stated previously that you would not be optimisitec of a positive outcome in any tribunal because they have very good Lawyers. My response to this is don't be intimidated. By far, the majority of tribunal appeals fail (before they get to Court) because the 'employee' believes the 'employer' must be right and can't be succesfully challenged. In practice, this is total rubbish and, if you can muster the courage to persevere to the Tribunal hearing, your chances of success are, actually, extremely high. It looks, to me, as though any chance of a reconciliation with your employer is gone, so give thought to what you stand to lose by challenging them and, at the very least, you will retain your self respect, which might not sound much but I can assure you, it will mean a lot in the times when you are looking back on this. Damn right!!!!!!!! My situation became frankly ridiculous. Bearing in mind the tribunal placed the NDA and heavily criticised the companies procedures. A couple of years later, during an inter_iew, the subject of my IT case came up. I asked how they new, turns out they had checked my references and the company had written back telling my prospective employer all about it. The guy inter_iewing me said he felt they had overstepped the mark, so I cheekily asked for a copy of the letter, which duly arrived. I went back to the tribunal and presented the letter. A further settlement duly arrived. Industrial Tribunals take this kind of shit very seriously and frequently find in favour of the small guy...... This
When i had my tribunal the judge basically told the companies legal to shut up and speak when spoken to because he kept interrupting.Theyre very much on the side of the little guy doesnt matter how big the company is or how good the legal team is. Tribunals are there to protect tge little guy and stop you from being abused by the company.". Absolutely, they are professionals, totally competent; knowledgeable and unbiased. They will unpick the details and will not tolerate any form of cover up or bullying you. They will go to some lengths to ensure they are well informed, bare in mind they have seen it all before and the length companies will go to who think they have the upper hand.
You did say your company would see an end to your place within a couple of months, go on the sick or at least look into how your situation with rights would change if you did that. | |||
No advice to add, just want to say good luck and I hope you find a happy solution. xx | |||
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