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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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total and utter fraud her "miracle " has been proven to be false with the family claiming she was bugger all to do with there relatives recovery . and her close relationship with the duvaliase in hiate calls everything into question |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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She did a lot of good. Sure, some criticism is justified. A saint? Well, only the Roman Catholic church can decide that - and it has.
By the way, how many of the critics here have even considered giving up their life to help poor children living on the streets of Calcutta?
Enjoy your Sunday roast. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is utter nonsense. 'Verified miracle' is one of the criteria. Ha ha! Really? VERIFIED MIRACLE? Then there is Canonisation. The second miracle. The SECOND miracle? I haven't seen one miracle, never mind two!! Really? Really? Really? |
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"She did a lot of good. Sure, some criticism is justified. A saint? Well, only the Roman Catholic church can decide that - and it has.
By the way, how many of the critics here have even considered giving up their life to help poor children living on the streets of Calcutta?
Enjoy your Sunday roast."
Have you helped the poor in Calcutta?
I had chicken , tomato , olives n garlic with fresh basil. Pan cooked not roasted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"She did a lot of good. Sure, some criticism is justified. A saint? Well, only the Roman Catholic church can decide that - and it has.
By the way, how many of the critics here have even considered giving up their life to help poor children living on the streets of Calcutta?
Enjoy your Sunday roast.
Have you helped the poor in Calcutta?
I had chicken , tomato , olives n garlic with fresh basil. Pan cooked not roasted."
Nope. But then I am not laying into someone who tried. |
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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago
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Miracles.. Utter tosh
Miracles were created because of people's lack of understanding or over exaggerated stories.. No more than fairy tales.. I have witnessed many amazing tricks by illusionists..heck, all hail St Dynamo!!
But, if it makes those that believe happy, then who are we to deny them those simple pleasures.
Yes, she did what are seen to be awful acts, but they were done under an even worse background of poverty and poor living standards.
Extreme situations sometimes require extreme action which may not be liked by others..
However, what would those people's lives been like had she not done what she did.
I salute people like her, willing to give their lives to help others.. It is a truly humbling act. |
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Miracles? No.
Whether or not she actually contributed to the alleviation of poverty and suffering is very much a moot point (denial of birth control, creation of a cult based on suffering rather than challenging the reasons why the poverty exists &c...).
Sainthood? Not sure anyone deserves that. |
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"She did a lot of good. Sure, some criticism is justified. A saint? Well, only the Roman Catholic church can decide that - and it has.
By the way, how many of the critics here have even considered giving up their life to help poor children living on the streets of Calcutta?
Enjoy your Sunday roast.
Have you helped the poor in Calcutta?
I had chicken , tomato , olives n garlic with fresh basil. Pan cooked not roasted.
Nope. But then I am not laying into someone who tried."
Eh ? So If I've thought about helping children in Calcutta I can have roast dinner with impunity but if I haven't thought about it I have to feel guilt when I eat but if I promise not to say I don't think Teresa is a saint I can wag my tutty finger even though I haven't helped any children in Calcutta either ?
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"Miracles? No.
Whether or not she actually contributed to the alleviation of poverty and suffering is very much a moot point (denial of birth control, creation of a cult based on suffering rather than challenging the reasons why the poverty exists &c...).
Sainthood? Not sure anyone deserves that."
How's your pork coming along ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Starting to hear unsavoury things about her such as "baptising" people on their deathbed without their knowledge or consent so jury's out for me."
Yeah - heard worse! That people only received food if they converted etc. having said that - I'm sure even the saints weren't 'saints' either - if you know what I mean! X |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's for the Roman Catholic Church to decide if she meets their criteria for canonisation. If you don't adhere to the beliefs of that Church, why do you think anybody should or shouldn't be a saint? Why do you care? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Wonder how many people reading this thread actually believe in saints?
Facts are she was a complex woman.
Helped a lot of sick/destitute people in Kolkata.
Now she is dead.
After that everything else is hokum! |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"Starting to hear unsavoury things about her such as "baptising" people on their deathbed without their knowledge or consent so jury's out for me."
If there was a heaven,
half the saints wouldn't be there.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Shurrr what harm, Teresa was a good woman. "
Well as well as enforced conversion, it's also reported that she believed in suffering as being payment for past sin and good for the soul - so she denied many patients pain killers etc. also as a catholic she pushed her opinions of the evils of contraception on to the locals - thus many kids were born that their parents couldn't afford to feed, exhausted mums died in childbirth etc etc.
no-one's perfect - she certainly wasn't! |
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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago
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"Is anyone familiar with the ways that catholicism was "introduced" to the masses in the first place?
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Would be interested to hear.
Most, if not all religions are about control and power. Any good that comes of it is purely coincidental. |
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By *onny bigMan
over a year ago
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This is a bit strong on a Sunday ain't it?
I've heard afew bad things about her, Christopher Hitchens done a documentary on her life that didn't show her in a very positive light but people are always gonna criticise people regardless of what they're doing.
If you ask me, helping the poor or helping people less fortunate than ourselves can't be a bad thing, and if people want to call her or anyone else a saint for it, it doesn't bother me at all R.I.P |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Remember seeing a documentary years ago on her refusal to use basic hygiene techniques so this comes as no surprise to me.
Religion is used as a anchor to progress of the human race |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"She did a lot of good. Sure, some criticism is justified. A saint? Well, only the Roman Catholic church can decide that - and it has.
By the way, how many of the critics here have even considered giving up their life to help poor children living on the streets of Calcutta?
Enjoy your Sunday roast.
Have you helped the poor in Calcutta?
I had chicken , tomato , olives n garlic with fresh basil. Pan cooked not roasted.
Nope. But then I am not laying into someone who tried.
Eh ? So If I've thought about helping children in Calcutta I can have roast dinner with impunity but if I haven't thought about it I have to feel guilt when I eat but if I promise not to say I don't think Teresa is a saint I can wag my tutty finger even though I haven't helped any children in Calcutta either ?
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You can wag your finger with or without roast dinner and with or without considering Teresa's work.
I was merely pointing out that it is easy to criticise a contribtion but much harder to achieve one.
I don't think she was perfect but I think she achieved a hell of a lot. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If the pope decreed it who told him to the mafia or CIA.
Eh?"
a leaked paper in the 80's stated the Vatican were doing the work of both the Mafia and CIA |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well she's surely the first Saint to win the Nobel Peace Prize!
Sure she wasn't a perfect human being. None are - that's the whole point. The Church can't canonise perfect ppl because there are none. But they can reward those with beatification who live, largely speaking, a good Christian life which inspires others to do likewise and promotes Christian values through their thoughts, words and deeds in the wider world.
On balance, Mother Theresa pretty much ticked all those boxes. It's not exactly easy to argue that she was working against the common good unless you're a fascist who thinks all the poor, disabled and dispossessed should be lined up against the wall and shot. But fascists tend not to believe in Saints, even though Hitler did apply to the Priesthood at one early stage I believe!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Must say it's a bizarre moment when one finds oneself discussing the minutiae of Christian theology in a swinging chatroom.
Next up for discussion:
Was Christianity actually founded by Jesus or St. Paul?
Should St. Francis of Assisi be the patron saint of naturists?
Are naturists, in their lust to rediscover the lost innocence of Adam and Eve our best hope of purging mankind from original sin?
Should King David have just asked for a swinging session instead of sending his best friend to the war front so he'd die in order to marry his friend's wife?
Could Richard Dawkins have a Road to Damascus experience and become the next Archbishop of Canterbury?
Discuss!
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By (user no longer on site)
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Regarding the King David question, Jews are fully invited to join the debate as are Muslims! After all, KD and all you lot are still descended from Abraham!
Apparently!
(Boy, that guy must be turning in his grave at what he started!) |
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