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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago
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For the individual that would entirely depend on the method selected. There are methods which would be at least free from physical pain. But as has already been said it is likely to be very emotionally hard on friends and relatives. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Far from it, for those who take their life, those who find the body who witness the person jumping or similar and those left behind.
And sometimes it's a cry for help that goes badly wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. |
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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago
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Personally I think there are times when suicide could be resonably and rationally considered. If I were to be diagnosed with certain terminal illnesses at an early enough stage I would plan to control my own demise. |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. "
Hes simply asking a question,yoy don't know whats behind it
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Reaching the point where you have lost all hope, where you feel so alone and scared and that the only option left is to end it all is many things. But it's not painless |
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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago
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Only this week I attended the funeral of my cousin who took his own life. He had tried several times previously but this time was successful. He was obviously in great torment and is now at peace. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The real pain is what causes the person to take such desperate measures. There is no Universal Law for human behaviour, therefore we act differently.
I love life, the incredible struggle of a single sperm cell to reach the female egg is mind-blowing. About a 100 sperm cells actually sacrifice themselves in order to forge a path for the single sperm that will make its way to the egg.
That's how special you are. Sadly some people never get to realise that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It stops the pain.
Not for those you leave behind"
Exactly!!! ........ Still none the wiser 14yrs later after my younger brother decided he was off!! It's the mess left behind  |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. "
Isn't it better to educate people then rather than just brushing the thread off as stupid. Isn't it better to speak about these thing's out in the open rather than wait for another death. It may help people to look at thing's differently. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. "
Not really.
There is alot of power in anonymity, even though this is a swinger site.
If someone who is conflicted and opens up on here, it may help prevent something happening and may give them the courage to seek help.
It's easy to dismiss just because of your own circumstances, but look at the bigger picture it's not just about you.
There are many people who suffer mental illness on here (see many other thread's)
Some may take offence some may not.
But talking about it openly in a grown up way can't be a bad thing?
If it helps one person then surely that's good.
But I agree it should be done in a respectful way.
We all have a back story some worse than others.
But I would suggest anyone who is feeling suicidal should seek professional help immediately and ring the samaritans.
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" Only this week I attended the funeral of my cousin who took his own life. He had tried several times previously but this time was successful. He was obviously in great torment and is now at peace. "
Sorry to hear this .miss |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The simple answer, from someone who has been touched twice by suicide in very recent times. No it's not painless. There's always and I mean always going to be someone who suffers pain because of it. Whether it's the person taking their life, or someone they leave behind with a seemingly endless list of questions as to why it's happened. Or the pain from constantly asking or even blaming yourself for not recognising it or doing more to help.
I would urge anyone here suffering some sort of mental anguish, to talk to someone.....a doctor, a friend, a loved one, a stranger on a phone, just talked to anybody about your troubles. Being able to unload some burden man just bring you from the brink of the abyss.
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question.
Not really.
There is alot of power in anonymity, even though this is a swinger site.
If someone who is conflicted and opens up on here, it may help prevent something happening and may give them the courage to seek help.
It's easy to dismiss just because of your own circumstances, but look at the bigger picture it's not just about you.
There are many people who suffer mental illness on here (see many other thread's)
Some may take offence some may not.
But talking about it openly in a grown up way can't be a bad thing?
If it helps one person then surely that's good.
But I agree it should be done in a respectful way.
We all have a back story some worse than others.
But I would suggest anyone who is feeling suicidal should seek professional help immediately and ring the samaritans.
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Sadly, although the safari tans are very good, professional mental help is actually very hard to come by, suicidal or not.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question.
Not really.
There is alot of power in anonymity, even though this is a swinger site.
If someone who is conflicted and opens up on here, it may help prevent something happening and may give them the courage to seek help.
It's easy to dismiss just because of your own circumstances, but look at the bigger picture it's not just about you.
There are many people who suffer mental illness on here (see many other thread's)
Some may take offence some may not.
But talking about it openly in a grown up way can't be a bad thing?
If it helps one person then surely that's good.
But I agree it should be done in a respectful way.
We all have a back story some worse than others.
But I would suggest anyone who is feeling suicidal should seek professional help immediately and ring the samaritans.
Sadly, although the safari tans are very good, professional mental help is actually very hard to come by, suicidal or not. "
But it's a good place to start if desperate.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My sister in laws dad was 68 and had bowel cancer,one afternoon he left his prayer card and two hundred pounds on the bed ,he caught the bus to the coast and walked into the sea and drowned himself,in the catholic religion suicide is a sin,and the priest was told he was not to conduct the funeral service as it was a suicide,the priest went ahead and did the funeral it was the last funeral he did as two days later he killed himself to,i dont think those that commit suicide are cowards just very brave as you got to be so desperate to do it . |
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By *irceWoman
over a year ago
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Yes it will leave a tidal wave of hurt for others in some cases.
Have lost two friends to suicide who asked family/Drs for help...none came!
If a person has had enougth of this crappy world then i will not judge them!! You people who judge know not what that person suffers.
And do you think! for one moment they do not think about the pain left behind, would be nice for society to take better care of people instead of opting for a "T4 program" |
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"My sister in laws dad was 68 and had bowel cancer,one afternoon he left his prayer card and two hundred pounds on the bed ,he caught the bus to the coast and walked into the sea and drowned himself,in the catholic religion suicide is a sin,and the priest was told he was not to conduct the funeral service as it was a suicide,the priest went ahead and did the funeral it was the last funeral he did as two days later he killed himself to,i dont think those that commit suicide are cowards just very brave as you got to be so desperate to do it ."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question.
Isn't it better to educate people then rather than just brushing the thread off as stupid. Isn't it better to speak about these thing's out in the open rather than wait for another death. It may help people to look at thing's differently."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. "
The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Perhaps the lyrics of the song set against the ravages of war would perhaps help understand the initial question?
Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...
that suicide is painless
it brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
I try to find a way to make
all our little joys relate
without that ever-present hate
but now I know that it's too late, and...
The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.
The only way to win is cheat
And lay it down before I'm beat
and to another give my seat
for that's the only painless feat.
The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but...
A brave man once requested me
to answer questions that are key
is it to be or not to be
and I replied 'oh why ask me?'
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My ex's best friend hung himself and my ex has never gotten over it. He blames himself for not being a good enough friend but sadly it's not that simple.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It stops the pain.
Not for those you leave behind
Exactly!!! ........ Still none the wiser 14yrs later after my younger brother decided he was off!! It's the mess left behind "
Would you rather he lived his life in torment and suffering so you don't have to grieve? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong "
Now that is a stupid comment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The time to grieve is when someone does nt have a choice a persons decision is theirs and should be respected ,if its suicide remember when they were happiest |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment."
Is it ? Whys that ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You cannot imagine what state of mind people are in when they take their own lives,a lady jumped of the suspension bridge here and she is one if many that have done so,just looking over that bridge is enough for me,and to jump off that thing you really must want to end it all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question.
Not really.
There is alot of power in anonymity, even though this is a swinger site.
If someone who is conflicted and opens up on here, it may help prevent something happening and may give them the courage to seek help.
It's easy to dismiss just because of your own circumstances, but look at the bigger picture it's not just about you.
There are many people who suffer mental illness on here (see many other thread's)
Some may take offence some may not.
But talking about it openly in a grown up way can't be a bad thing?
If it helps one person then surely that's good.
But I agree it should be done in a respectful way.
We all have a back story some worse than others.
But I would suggest anyone who is feeling suicidal should seek professional help immediately and ring the samaritans.
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It does seem so very surprising to me to discuss subjects like this on a swingers site but on the other hand it's as good a place as any.
It's always disappointing when there are other threads about self esteem/mental health and people essentially say 'suck it up crybaby' |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"It stops the pain.
Not for those you leave behind
Exactly!!! ........ Still none the wiser 14yrs later after my younger brother decided he was off!! It's the mess left behind
Would you rather he lived his life in torment and suffering so you don't have to grieve?"
There's always a way round whatever problems one may have and there's always a better way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?"
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It stops the pain.
Not for those you leave behind
Exactly!!! ........ Still none the wiser 14yrs later after my younger brother decided he was off!! It's the mess left behind
Would you rather he lived his life in torment and suffering so you don't have to grieve?
There's always a way round whatever problems one may have and there's always a better way."
How do you know that? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Having lost my mam 16 years ago to suicide due to an abusive relationship, i can 100% guarantee that the pain never goes away, we simply learn how to cope with it. Being a very religious person, for her to take her own life must show how far down she had gone. Life must sadly go on, despite any loss. |
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"It stops the pain.
Not for those you leave behind
Exactly!!! ........ Still none the wiser 14yrs later after my younger brother decided he was off!! It's the mess left behind
Would you rather he lived his life in torment and suffering so you don't have to grieve?
There's always a way round whatever problems one may have and there's always a better way.
How do you know that? "
Bad Nanna does have a good point. Sometimes a person can't see anyway out of their fog than taking the exit route. Yes it leaves pain for the ones left behind but they need to deal with their pain. Sometimes there isn't an easy way out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. "
May be the wrong wording and you may well be right but as a full time counsellor qualified in Dementia and end of life care we are taught to stop insular behaviour where appropriate |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. May be the wrong wording and you may well be right but as a full time counsellor qualified in Dementia and end of life care we are taught to stop insular behaviour where appropriate "
Oh,that makes you right then,my apologies. |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. May be the wrong wording and you may well be right but as a full time counsellor qualified in Dementia and end of life care we are taught to stop insular behaviour where appropriate
Oh,that makes you right then,my apologies. "
Certainly did nt say that but obviously insular behaviour can promote depression may be leading to suicide |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Or is it? Somehow I doubt it.
Hurts even more when you fail at it "
I don't know but I do know someone who took an overdose of paracetamol and then didn't call for help immediately. He changed his mind when he eventually got to the hospital but it was too late and he died.
It was illegal until the 1960s which was morally wrong that until then, anyone that did it was committing a crime. Buried in unconsecrated ground. Strange world we live in. I imagine in some countries it's still illegal. |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. May be the wrong wording and you may well be right but as a full time counsellor qualified in Dementia and end of life care we are taught to stop insular behaviour where appropriate
Oh,that makes you right then,my apologies. Certainly did nt say that but obviously insular behaviour can promote depression may be leading to suicide "
You're the expert,what do I know eh. |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. "
Why. I have lived with depression since before I was a teenager. I don't find the thread offensive. You saw the title if you thought it would be a trigger you should have no clicked on it. |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. "
It's an excellent question. In fact no one will ever understand depression or those with suicidal tendencies unless it's discussed.
Death is part of life. It's inevitable. It's nothing magical or evil.
P.S. I have never had depression but i'd take my own life if I felt it necessary. |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment."
It really is. I love when people say this kind of thing. Same line if thinking of pull yourself together or get out and exercise. It'll cure it.
Yet 30 years later I'm still living with it. If it was as easy as people say it would be wonderful.
And by the by im a mental health nurse. Still can't 'pull myself together' |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The simple answer, from someone who has been touched twice by suicide in very recent times. No it's not painless. There's always and I mean always going to be someone who suffers pain because of it. Whether it's the person taking their life, or someone they leave behind with a seemingly endless list of questions as to why it's happened. Or the pain from constantly asking or even blaming yourself for not recognising it or doing more to help.
I would urge anyone here suffering some sort of mental anguish, to talk to someone.....a doctor, a friend, a loved one, a stranger on a phone, just talked to anybody about your troubles. Being able to unload some burden man just bring you from the brink of the abyss.
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I'm suffering and recently got sent to hospital after talking to a gp.
The nhs staff who helped by allowing me to talk in my own time are fantastic .. There was no rush no rudeness and they genuinely listened and offered me advice also giving me contact numbers for breathing space and Samaritan .. I haven't used the numbers yet and I hope I don't need to. So long as I maintain my routine and talk to those I can open up to I feel I'll get over the worst of it.
My boss thinks I look normal but people who are struggling can look normal outside its the inside that's getting torn apart and probably why most don't understand fully a person's circumstances for doing what they do.. I hide it well but when I stop for a minute it all comes flooding back.. I wouldn't blame anyone for missing any signs I might/might not show for I am good at covering my emotions up outside.
Stay strong don't be afraid to seek help and know you're never alone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yea what's with the Sunday morning depression thread"
Maybe they are reaching out. There's not really a good time to discuss it is there. It's something many avoid. |
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"It stops the pain.
Not for those you leave behind
Exactly!!! ........ Still none the wiser 14yrs later after my younger brother decided he was off!! It's the mess left behind
Would you rather he lived his life in torment and suffering so you don't have to grieve?
There's always a way round whatever problems one may have and there's always a better way."
Not always. In fact a lot of the time there isn't. |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong "
Unless it's chemical and out of your control ...... |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. May be the wrong wording and you may well be right but as a full time counsellor qualified in Dementia and end of life care we are taught to stop insular behaviour where appropriate
Oh,that makes you right then,my apologies. Certainly did nt say that but obviously insular behaviour can promote depression may be leading to suicide "
'Promote depression' no it doesn't. You can't stop insular behaviour no matter what your qualification is. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"It stops the pain.
Not for those you leave behind
Exactly!!! ........ Still none the wiser 14yrs later after my younger brother decided he was off!! It's the mess left behind
Would you rather he lived his life in torment and suffering so you don't have to grieve?
There's always a way round whatever problems one may have and there's always a better way.
How do you know that?
Bad Nanna does have a good point. Sometimes a person can't see anyway out of their fog than taking the exit route. Yes it leaves pain for the ones left behind but they need to deal with their pain. Sometimes there isn't an easy way out. "
There aren't many things in life which are easy but often people's problems start out as relatively small and trivial things which escalate out of their control. I just think that just about every problem has a solution, it takes communication to work things thru |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Unless it's chemical and out of your control ...... "
Mine is. No trigger needed just bam...Black dog is back. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You have to be in such a bad place to think about taking your own life, when your in that place you think that everyone would be better without you and you hurt so much inside that it ends up being a physical ache. You feel it for so long that you will do anything to stop hurting. It becomes all you can think about, you walk past a busy road and wish you could just walk into the traffic to stop the pain. Untill one day you wake up and just give into the thoughts and the pain.
Its not painless its painful for everyone involved. The person, the family,friends people who find them |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.
It really is. I love when people say this kind of thing. Same line if thinking of pull yourself together or get out and exercise. It'll cure it.
Yet 30 years later I'm still living with it. If it was as easy as people say it would be wonderful.
And by the by im a mental health nurse. Still can't 'pull myself together' "
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. May be the wrong wording and you may well be right but as a full time counsellor qualified in Dementia and end of life care we are taught to stop insular behaviour where appropriate
Oh,that makes you right then,my apologies. "
Haven't you got a sarky emoji nana ? |
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Nobody truly understands the workings of the human mind and everyones input and opinion is valuable. All anyone can do is explore the beginnings of the depression ,most likely the only person who can lead themselves out of it is the person themselves.Common behaviour will be to ignore or misread peoples reaction to them whereas interaction is important because that is most likely to affect our moods,by shutting off your problems can become insurmountable which leads to a much darker place . |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. May be the wrong wording and you may well be right but as a full time counsellor qualified in Dementia and end of life care we are taught to stop insular behaviour where appropriate
Oh,that makes you right then,my apologies. Certainly did nt say that but obviously insular behaviour can promote depression may be leading to suicide
'Promote depression' no it doesn't. You can't stop insular behaviour no matter what your qualification is. "
No you cant stop it only help |
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I'm not an expert but have been in the dark place.
Thoughts for me (from memories) are fleeting but some leave a stain, because of grief, trauma, disappointment in life, mental illness the anguish and the inability to help yourself out of that dark place,seemingly unending torment,the exhaustion can make suicide an appealing option.
Reaching out is so so scary but it is the only way out and towards the light.
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. May be the wrong wording and you may well be right but as a full time counsellor qualified in Dementia and end of life care we are taught to stop insular behaviour where appropriate
Oh,that makes you right then,my apologies. Certainly did nt say that but obviously insular behaviour can promote depression may be leading to suicide
'Promote depression' no it doesn't. You can't stop insular behaviour no matter what your qualification is. No you cant stop it only help "
And you're assuming everyone who has depression had insular behaviour and problems. |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. May be the wrong wording and you may well be right but as a full time counsellor qualified in Dementia and end of life care we are taught to stop insular behaviour where appropriate
Oh,that makes you right then,my apologies. Certainly did nt say that but obviously insular behaviour can promote depression may be leading to suicide
'Promote depression' no it doesn't. You can't stop insular behaviour no matter what your qualification is. No you cant stop it only help
And you're assuming everyone who has depression had insular behaviour and problems. "
Not at all just that its a symptom |
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over a year ago
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then  "
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out. |
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out. "
I lost a dear friend.
He was very stubborn on the topic of mental illness.
Refused to let himself be seen as weak or needing help.
Completely complex like most humans, he was a whirling dervish.
I loved him to bits and miss him every day. |
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out. "
I don't think its ever an easy way out |
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out. "
Of course I must be wrong then, my first thought on cutting my brother down should have been 'you coward' |
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out. "
Calm down.
Life is rarely that black and white.
It's soo many shades in between and nobody has the right to judge. |
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out.
I lost a dear friend.
He was very stubborn on the topic of mental illness.
Refused to let himself be seen as weak or needing help.
Completely complex like most humans, he was a whirling dervish.
I loved him to bits and miss him every day. "
Mental illness is a completely different story. You can't compare them to people who make a conscious choice of killing themselves. |
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out.
I lost a dear friend.
He was very stubborn on the topic of mental illness.
Refused to let himself be seen as weak or needing help.
Completely complex like most humans, he was a whirling dervish.
I loved him to bits and miss him every day.
Mental illness is a completely different story. You can't compare them to people who make a conscious choice of killing themselves. "
What would you use as an example of this? Do you mean like those people with a fatal illness that take a trip to Dignitas? |
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over a year ago
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out.
I lost a dear friend.
He was very stubborn on the topic of mental illness.
Refused to let himself be seen as weak or needing help.
Completely complex like most humans, he was a whirling dervish.
I loved him to bits and miss him every day.
Mental illness is a completely different story. You can't compare them to people who make a conscious choice of killing themselves. "
you can be mentally ill and aware to make the choice.
talking about his decision wouldn't have stopped him I fear but we'll not know that.
It's not cowardly to kill yourself though.
It's an horrifically painful place to be. |
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"I've expressed my opinion, that's all. You can agree or disagree with me, that's your choice. "
I totally disagree with you.
But You said that's how you see it amnd I'm curious as to why you see it like that? |
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out. "
Suicide isn't the easy way out. |
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What I mean is that if you're perfectly healthy on the mental side and are not lying in the hospital bed for the rest of your life it's a dumb choice to commit suicide.
Because like someone previously mentioned it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I'm sorry for those who lost someone this way but my _iews won't change. |
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out.
Suicide isn't the easy way out. "
I quite agree. |
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"What I mean is that if you're perfectly healthy on the mental side and are not lying in the hospital bed for the rest of your life it's a dumb choice to commit suicide.
Because like someone previously mentioned it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I'm sorry for those who lost someone this way but my _iews won't change. "
yet you don't KNOW what that supposedly healthy person is holding inside |
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Pain is our warning system at times......at others it is an expressing emotion of our feelings......we can control it and we can encourage it.
Do we feel it at the point of suicide depends on the method .......if the attempt is successful than it is often short lived pain and often the brain is numb to it after a few moments......depending on the level of violence involved in their choice.
The pain of those that discover their body or are the loved ones left behind....is ongoing no matter how adjusted to it they are.
We don't necessarily have to have mental illness to choose death, it can be a terminal illness, A degenerative disease, or just not wanting to participate in this world for their own value system.
Talking about it through here is a good thing in my opinion....as we can see from the thread above .....a number of us have been effected by it in some way......it's actually more common than the stats say as it is sometimes reported as a different type of death.
We are faced with some major decisions in our lives and what has come out of it for me.....is to be more open about suicide - more to the point to share.....don't fight about the small stuff, don't really fight when you love someone as it is time wasted.....you either love each other or you don't....nothing else matters......
Imagining having breakfast with your wonderful sexy husband and 20 minutes later he runs in front of an 18 tonne truck.....
Life changes.......make the most of being kind and appreciating each other darlings.....
Mwah
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it. "
Hope your never unlucky enough to experience it then , mine hit me out of the blue at the age of 41 .
I was diagnosed with PTSD , never had an issue before with depression and I can assure you it's not cowardly .
My ex's dad killed himself after years of living with mental anguish , it's not that you want to die , it's that you can't take the pain any longer .
How long do you think you would last being physically tortured every day ?
Mental pain is no different or any less painful .
What is cowardly is not thinking about how your words can affect other people .
If somebody reading this is on the edge , feeling worthless , you calling them a coward could push them over that edge .
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it should be based on knowledge or experience . |
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"Pain is our warning system at times......at others it is an expressing emotion of our feelings......we can control it and we can encourage it.
Do we feel it at the point of suicide depends on the method .......if the attempt is successful than it is often short lived pain and often the brain is numb to it after a few moments......depending on the level of violence involved in their choice.
The pain of those that discover their body or are the loved ones left behind....is ongoing no matter how adjusted to it they are.
We don't necessarily have to have mental illness to choose death, it can be a terminal illness, A degenerative disease, or just not wanting to participate in this world for their own value system.
Talking about it through here is a good thing in my opinion....as we can see from the thread above .....a number of us have been effected by it in some way......it's actually more common than the stats say as it is sometimes reported as a different type of death.
We are faced with some major decisions in our lives and what has come out of it for me.....is to be more open about suicide - more to the point to share.....don't fight about the small stuff, don't really fight when you love someone as it is time wasted.....you either love each other or you don't....nothing else matters......
Imagining having breakfast with your wonderful sexy husband and 20 minutes later he runs in front of an 18 tonne truck.....
Life changes.......make the most of being kind and appreciating each other darlings.....
Mwah
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out.
Suicide isn't the easy way out. "
Suicide is often the easy way out for the vile scum that inflicts horrific acts of barbarity upon humanity, Fred West, Hitler, etc. It's not always about the pain and suffering of the individual that takes their own life. |
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
Hope your never unlucky enough to experience it then , mine hit me out of the blue at the age of 41 .
I was diagnosed with PTSD , never had an issue before with depression and I can assure you it's not cowardly .
My ex's dad killed himself after years of living with mental anguish , it's not that you want to die , it's that you can't take the pain any longer .
How long do you think you would last being physically tortured every day ?
Mental pain is no different or any less painful .
What is cowardly is not thinking about how your words can affect other people .
If somebody reading this is on the edge , feeling worthless , you calling them a coward could push them over that edge .
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it should be based on knowledge or experience . "
Well said. |
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
Hope your never unlucky enough to experience it then , mine hit me out of the blue at the age of 41 .
I was diagnosed with PTSD , never had an issue before with depression and I can assure you it's not cowardly .
My ex's dad killed himself after years of living with mental anguish , it's not that you want to die , it's that you can't take the pain any longer .
How long do you think you would last being physically tortured every day ?
Mental pain is no different or any less painful .
What is cowardly is not thinking about how your words can affect other people .
If somebody reading this is on the edge , feeling worthless , you calling them a coward could push them over that edge .
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it should be based on knowledge or experience .
Well said. "
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When we see someone suffering with a painful or terminal illness it's torture for us. When they die we are sad but we feel better that they are no longer suffering. When someone kills themself they are no longer suffering,so why are they terrible people for doing it? |
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
Hope your never unlucky enough to experience it then , mine hit me out of the blue at the age of 41 .
I was diagnosed with PTSD , never had an issue before with depression and I can assure you it's not cowardly .
My ex's dad killed himself after years of living with mental anguish , it's not that you want to die , it's that you can't take the pain any longer .
How long do you think you would last being physically tortured every day ?
Mental pain is no different or any less painful .
What is cowardly is not thinking about how your words can affect other people .
If somebody reading this is on the edge , feeling worthless , you calling them a coward could push them over that edge .
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it should be based on knowledge or experience . "
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out.
Suicide isn't the easy way out.
Suicide is often the easy way out for the vile scum that inflicts horrific acts of barbarity upon humanity, Fred West, Hitler, etc. It's not always about the pain and suffering of the individual that takes their own life."
People's reaction to their suicide would be totally different. |
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"When we see someone suffering with a painful or terminal illness it's torture for us. When they die we are sad but we feel better that they are no longer suffering. When someone kills themself they are no longer suffering,so why are they terrible people for doing it?"
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
That shows how little you understand the subject then
Or maybe it's how little you understand the difference in _iews.
When every day of your life becomes a struggle and pain, its those who endure thar are brave not those who choose the easy way out.
Suicide isn't the easy way out.
Suicide is often the easy way out for the vile scum that inflicts horrific acts of barbarity upon humanity, Fred West, Hitler, etc. It's not always about the pain and suffering of the individual that takes their own life.
People's reaction to their suicide would be totally different. "
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Suicide is the biggest killer of men under 45 in this country now , 1 every 2 hours ......yet the mental health budget is comparatively tiny .
Shows the level of stigma attached to it .
A little kindness can make a huge difference to someone , always be nice if you can . |
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"Suicide is the biggest killer of men under 45 in this country now , 1 every 2 hours ......yet the mental health budget is comparatively tiny .
Shows the level of stigma attached to it .
A little kindness can make a huge difference to someone , always be nice if you can ."
Kindness is the way. |
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Suicide isn't painless
It hurts like hell
It's set aside for the famous
A little suicide sells
Nothing lasts forever
But nothing ever did
It's big but it's not clever
And it's really not that big
So no more tears
You're a big boy now
We'll have a few more beers
We'll sort it out somehow....
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"Suicide is the biggest killer of men under 45 in this country now , 1 every 2 hours ......yet the mental health budget is comparatively tiny .
Shows the level of stigma attached to it .
A little kindness can make a huge difference to someone , always be nice if you can ."
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"Suicide is the biggest killer of men under 45 in this country now , 1 every 2 hours ......yet the mental health budget is comparatively tiny .
Shows the level of stigma attached to it .
A little kindness can make a huge difference to someone , always be nice if you can ."
It's a travesty really you break your leg you get it fixed the same day. You ask for help with mental illness you go onto a 2 year waiting list then procedure changes during that wait and its a brand new list that starts. I suffer with PTSD and pay for my own councilling its pricy and I'm hardly rich but its something I have to do. |
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"Pain is our warning system at times......at others it is an expressing emotion of our feelings......we can control it and we can encourage it.
Do we feel it at the point of suicide depends on the method .......if the attempt is successful than it is often short lived pain and often the brain is numb to it after a few moments......depending on the level of violence involved in their choice.
The pain of those that discover their body or are the loved ones left behind....is ongoing no matter how adjusted to it they are.
We don't necessarily have to have mental illness to choose death, it can be a terminal illness, A degenerative disease, or just not wanting to participate in this world for their own value system.
Talking about it through here is a good thing in my opinion....as we can see from the thread above .....a number of us have been effected by it in some way......it's actually more common than the stats say as it is sometimes reported as a different type of death.
We are faced with some major decisions in our lives and what has come out of it for me.....is to be more open about suicide - more to the point to share.....don't fight about the small stuff, don't really fight when you love someone as it is time wasted.....you either love each other or you don't....nothing else matters......
Imagining having breakfast with your wonderful sexy husband and 20 minutes later he runs in front of an 18 tonne truck.....
Life changes.......make the most of being kind and appreciating each other darlings.....
Mwah
please tell me your husband didn't do this.... "
Yes he did....he was in tremendous pain they couldn't help with.....it's actually very hard to kill yourself and is not cowardly as mentioned above...it can be very brave such as doing it for honour or to save others.....
What was funny was he had his usual prunes for breakfast.....I would have chosen different.....
He finished breakfast......he stood up....asked me to come to him...we stood toe to toe, he hugged me....he took a step back....ran his gentle hands up either side of my cheeks into my hair and over my ears.......looked me directly in the eye and said......I regret all the wasted time in any cross words I have ever had with you.....I love you......he then drew my face in and kissed me.....
I went off to work......out the door said I'll see you tonight and twenty minutes later he ran in front of the truck ......
I identified him.....body lukewarm ....No life ....yet it was him.....
We are creatures that live and die......no matter what the means really......our moments are precious.....I now do what I want most of the time.....I generally give moments of myself with encounters on here....kindness only takes a moment .......I have a passion for art and love and I was blessed to have so many adventurous years with such a funny clever man....
I stop and chat to couples arguing and tell my brief story above......don't waste a moment.....
I live my life to the full....
I miss him everyday ....
I walk ahead with life seeking my next adventure
Xx
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It is still a subject that people feel very uncomfortable talking about, wanting to recognise either in themselves or others.
Narrow minded comments like one above 'silly thread', or just the comment from family or 'friends' snap yourself out of it are not helpful!
Just because you haven't had these feelings or understand them, doesn't mean others don't.
Wishing anyone a better day tomorrow than today no matter what your situation. |
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"Pain is our warning system at times......at others it is an expressing emotion of our feelings......we can control it and we can encourage it.
Do we feel it at the point of suicide depends on the method .......if the attempt is successful than it is often short lived pain and often the brain is numb to it after a few moments......depending on the level of violence involved in their choice.
The pain of those that discover their body or are the loved ones left behind....is ongoing no matter how adjusted to it they are.
We don't necessarily have to have mental illness to choose death, it can be a terminal illness, A degenerative disease, or just not wanting to participate in this world for their own value system.
Talking about it through here is a good thing in my opinion....as we can see from the thread above .....a number of us have been effected by it in some way......it's actually more common than the stats say as it is sometimes reported as a different type of death.
We are faced with some major decisions in our lives and what has come out of it for me.....is to be more open about suicide - more to the point to share.....don't fight about the small stuff, don't really fight when you love someone as it is time wasted.....you either love each other or you don't....nothing else matters......
Imagining having breakfast with your wonderful sexy husband and 20 minutes later he runs in front of an 18 tonne truck.....
Life changes.......make the most of being kind and appreciating each other darlings.....
Mwah
please tell me your husband didn't do this....
Yes he did....he was in tremendous pain they couldn't help with.....it's actually very hard to kill yourself and is not cowardly as mentioned above...it can be very brave such as doing it for honour or to save others.....
What was funny was he had his usual prunes for breakfast.....I would have chosen different.....
He finished breakfast......he stood up....asked me to come to him...we stood toe to toe, he hugged me....he took a step back....ran his gentle hands up either side of my cheeks into my hair and over my ears.......looked me directly in the eye and said......I regret all the wasted time in any cross words I have ever had with you.....I love you......he then drew my face in and kissed me.....
I went off to work......out the door said I'll see you tonight and twenty minutes later he ran in front of the truck ......
I identified him.....body lukewarm ....No life ....yet it was him.....
We are creatures that live and die......no matter what the means really......our moments are precious.....I now do what I want most of the time.....I generally give moments of myself with encounters on here....kindness only takes a moment .......I have a passion for art and love and I was blessed to have so many adventurous years with such a funny clever man....
I stop and chat to couples arguing and tell my brief story above......don't waste a moment.....
I live my life to the full....
I miss him everyday ....
I walk ahead with life seeking my next adventure
Xx
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You're one hell of a human.
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I did a little research into this some time ago and came to the conclusion that the quickest,most effective and guaranteed successful methods are also the messiest and would probably not be painless for those left behind.I wouldn't wish to go into detail but,apparently the quickest method can take around 2-3 seconds to die,,,,this may not seem much but if that 2-3 seconds is the rest of your life,who knows how you may perceive it or how it may feel?
Contrary to some ideas,there is no such thing as a suicide pill,that will despatch a person quickly painlessly and cleanly,,any chemicals that can cause death are likely to cause severe internal burns and,if the suicide is unsuccessful,will probably make surviving a pretty horrible experience.
Anyone feeling this low,I would urge to seek some help as trying to end it all can quite often make a bad situation much worse,,for yourself as well as friends and family. |
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"Suicide is the biggest killer of men under 45 in this country now , 1 every 2 hours ......yet the mental health budget is comparatively tiny .
Shows the level of stigma attached to it .
A little kindness can make a huge difference to someone , always be nice if you can .
It's a travesty really you break your leg you get it fixed the same day. You ask for help with mental illness you go onto a 2 year waiting list then procedure changes during that wait and its a brand new list that starts. I suffer with PTSD and pay for my own councilling its pricy and I'm hardly rich but its something I have to do."
Im lucky enough to be able to get counselling through my job , although its limited to 8 sessions per year .
I think ignorance of it is a massive problem and i will be the first to admit that i didnt understand it until i experienced it myself .
I seem to be able to spot it in people now and always try and help if i can , even if its just a few words of kindness .
Its very easy to judge people harshly but takes a little effort to stop and think for a second . |
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"Pain is our warning system at times......at others it is an expressing emotion of our feelings......we can control it and we can encourage it.
Do we feel it at the point of suicide depends on the method .......if the attempt is successful than it is often short lived pain and often the brain is numb to it after a few moments......depending on the level of violence involved in their choice.
The pain of those that discover their body or are the loved ones left behind....is ongoing no matter how adjusted to it they are.
We don't necessarily have to have mental illness to choose death, it can be a terminal illness, A degenerative disease, or just not wanting to participate in this world for their own value system.
Talking about it through here is a good thing in my opinion....as we can see from the thread above .....a number of us have been effected by it in some way......it's actually more common than the stats say as it is sometimes reported as a different type of death.
We are faced with some major decisions in our lives and what has come out of it for me.....is to be more open about suicide - more to the point to share.....don't fight about the small stuff, don't really fight when you love someone as it is time wasted.....you either love each other or you don't....nothing else matters......
Imagining having breakfast with your wonderful sexy husband and 20 minutes later he runs in front of an 18 tonne truck.....
Life changes.......make the most of being kind and appreciating each other darlings.....
Mwah
please tell me your husband didn't do this....
Yes he did....he was in tremendous pain they couldn't help with.....it's actually very hard to kill yourself and is not cowardly as mentioned above...it can be very brave such as doing it for honour or to save others.....
What was funny was he had his usual prunes for breakfast.....I would have chosen different.....
He finished breakfast......he stood up....asked me to come to him...we stood toe to toe, he hugged me....he took a step back....ran his gentle hands up either side of my cheeks into my hair and over my ears.......looked me directly in the eye and said......I regret all the wasted time in any cross words I have ever had with you.....I love you......he then drew my face in and kissed me.....
I went off to work......out the door said I'll see you tonight and twenty minutes later he ran in front of the truck ......
I identified him.....body lukewarm ....No life ....yet it was him.....
We are creatures that live and die......no matter what the means really......our moments are precious.....I now do what I want most of the time.....I generally give moments of myself with encounters on here....kindness only takes a moment .......I have a passion for art and love and I was blessed to have so many adventurous years with such a funny clever man....
I stop and chat to couples arguing and tell my brief story above......don't waste a moment.....
I live my life to the full....
I miss him everyday ....
I walk ahead with life seeking my next adventure
Xx
You're one hell of a human.
xxxx "
Agreed , that brought a tear to my eyes , you are a beautiful person xxxx
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"Simply the act of asking a person 'how are you feeling' or something similar....can change a course of action that that person may have in their mind.
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I think people often forget how powerful words can be , i know i have in the past , regretfully . |
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"What I mean is that if you're perfectly healthy on the mental side and are not lying in the hospital bed for the rest of your life it's a dumb choice to commit suicide.
Because like someone previously mentioned it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I'm sorry for those who lost someone this way but my _iews won't change.
yet you don't KNOW what that supposedly healthy person is holding inside "
I do know because I did feel like my life is worthless and had no meaning. I thought its pointless for me to live and I was severely depressed but instead of taking my life I decided to change it.
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"What I mean is that if you're perfectly healthy on the mental side and are not lying in the hospital bed for the rest of your life it's a dumb choice to commit suicide.
Because like someone previously mentioned it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I'm sorry for those who lost someone this way but my _iews won't change.
yet you don't KNOW what that supposedly healthy person is holding inside
I do know because I did feel like my life is worthless and had no meaning. I thought its pointless for me to live and I was severely depressed but instead of taking my life I decided to change it.
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And that can only be a good thing , glad you got through it , as did i .
It can come back out of the blue though and having been through it yourself makes me very surprised by your comment .
Have you never thought that instead of harsh comments like calling somebody a coward , you could expend the same energy using some kind words , words that may even be the catalyst that gets somebody through a dark time ?
Its only an opinion but to me it makes much more sense , i have found that being kind to others is also good for your own wellbeing . |
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over a year ago
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"It stops the pain.
Not for those you leave behind
You don't care about that when your dead "
A lot of people do care about that and take it into consideration when they are planning their own demise though. |
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"It stops the pain.
Not for those you leave behind
You don't care about that when your dead
A lot of people do care about that and take it into consideration when they are planning their own demise though."
That's caring about it while your still alive
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It's not painless, I have a friend who has tried 3 times in 2 months.
Friday she threw herself from a two story building.
Another associate who hung herself at the age of 24 last month.
It stops the pain for the individual, sure.
But that pain is forever felt by every person that they have ever met x |
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. May be the wrong wording and you may well be right but as a full time counsellor qualified in Dementia and end of life care we are taught to stop insular behaviour where appropriate
Oh,that makes you right then,my apologies. Certainly did nt say that but obviously insular behaviour can promote depression may be leading to suicide
'Promote depression' no it doesn't. You can't stop insular behaviour no matter what your qualification is. No you cant stop it only help "
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. May be the wrong wording and you may well be right but as a full time counsellor qualified in Dementia and end of life care we are taught to stop insular behaviour where appropriate
Oh,that makes you right then,my apologies. Certainly did nt say that but obviously insular behaviour can promote depression may be leading to suicide
'Promote depression' no it doesn't. You can't stop insular behaviour no matter what your qualification is. No you cant stop it only help
And you're assuming everyone who has depression had insular behaviour and problems. "
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"Reaching the point where you have lost all hope, where you feel so alone and scared and that the only option left is to end it all is many things. But it's not painless "
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By *isa 59Woman
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"It stops the pain.
Not for those you leave behind
You don't care about that when your dead
A lot of people do care about that and take it into consideration when they are planning their own demise though.
That's caring about it while your still alive
How can you care about anything when your dead "
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"What I mean is that if you're perfectly healthy on the mental side and are not lying in the hospital bed for the rest of your life it's a dumb choice to commit suicide.
Because like someone previously mentioned it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I'm sorry for those who lost someone this way but my _iews won't change.
yet you don't KNOW what that supposedly healthy person is holding inside
I do know because I did feel like my life is worthless and had no meaning. I thought its pointless for me to live and I was severely depressed but instead of taking my life I decided to change it.
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No you don't know. You know how YOU felt jut you don't know how I and millions of other feel. There may be no way out. |
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It is easy for people to judge on this thread, unless you have gone through what the individual has gone through, we have no idea at all what they are thinking or what their frame of mind is.
Yes, for the person contemplating suicide it will relieve them of their pain, sadly for those left behind it only causes more pain. |
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"It stops the pain.
Not for those you leave behind
You don't care about that when your dead "
That's the thing, most care that much they feel they are a burden to them to attempt/complete suicide as they feel it's the best thing for the people left behind. |
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"Suicide is plain fucking dumb and a coward of a move. That's how I see it.
And your opinion makes you an asshole.
Thanks"
Lets not get nasty with each other , it never achieves anything .
He is probably not going to change his opinion but a reasoned argument is much more likey to have an effect than name calling .
I very strongly disagree with his comment , but everyone is entitled to an opinion .
Be kind , always , it makes the world a better place. |
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"What I mean is that if you're perfectly healthy on the mental side and are not lying in the hospital bed for the rest of your life it's a dumb choice to commit suicide.
Because like someone previously mentioned it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I'm sorry for those who lost someone this way but my _iews won't change.
yet you don't KNOW what that supposedly healthy person is holding inside
I do know because I did feel like my life is worthless and had no meaning. I thought its pointless for me to live and I was severely depressed but instead of taking my life I decided to change it.
No you don't know. You know how YOU felt jut you don't know how I and millions of other feel. There may be no way out. "
There's always a way out not always do we choose to acknowledge it. |
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"What I mean is that if you're perfectly healthy on the mental side and are not lying in the hospital bed for the rest of your life it's a dumb choice to commit suicide.
Because like someone previously mentioned it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I'm sorry for those who lost someone this way but my _iews won't change.
yet you don't KNOW what that supposedly healthy person is holding inside
I do know because I did feel like my life is worthless and had no meaning. I thought its pointless for me to live and I was severely depressed but instead of taking my life I decided to change it.
No you don't know. You know how YOU felt jut you don't know how I and millions of other feel. There may be no way out.
There's always a way out not always do we choose to acknowledge it."
Do elaborate how you know there is a way out for each and every person. |
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"What I mean is that if you're perfectly healthy on the mental side and are not lying in the hospital bed for the rest of your life it's a dumb choice to commit suicide.
Because like someone previously mentioned it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I'm sorry for those who lost someone this way but my _iews won't change.
yet you don't KNOW what that supposedly healthy person is holding inside
I do know because I did feel like my life is worthless and had no meaning. I thought its pointless for me to live and I was severely depressed but instead of taking my life I decided to change it.
No you don't know. You know how YOU felt jut you don't know how I and millions of other feel. There may be no way out.
There's always a way out not always do we choose to acknowledge it.
Do elaborate how you know there is a way out for each and every person. "
I never said I know it, I said there's always another option.
I'm done arguing. |
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"What I mean is that if you're perfectly healthy on the mental side and are not lying in the hospital bed for the rest of your life it's a dumb choice to commit suicide.
Because like someone previously mentioned it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I'm sorry for those who lost someone this way but my _iews won't change.
yet you don't KNOW what that supposedly healthy person is holding inside
I do know because I did feel like my life is worthless and had no meaning. I thought its pointless for me to live and I was severely depressed but instead of taking my life I decided to change it.
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I'm really surprised as someone who has been through that,
you then don't understand the
struggle is different for each individual.
I'm glad you pushed through though.
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there's not always a 'way out' of remembering constant childhood abuse from your mother and father, despite having people surrounding you in later years with love and support, sometimes its just not enough. my last LTR ex killed himself earlier this year.. his country doesn't have the health care system that we have over here. he loved, i loved..but freedom from the coping mechanisms he'd put in place weren't enough.. he is now free and i remeber the gorgeous, sexy, smart and very funny man that he was, that's his legacy to me..a reminder to live as fully as possible.he knows he was loved by me, i know i gave him something he'd never experienced before and he was brave enough to accept those experiences.i am at peace with his decision and i know he is too. |
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"there's not always a 'way out' of remembering constant childhood abuse from your mother and father, despite having people surrounding you in later years with love and support, sometimes its just not enough. my last LTR ex killed himself earlier this year.. his country doesn't have the health care system that we have over here. he loved, i loved..but freedom from the coping mechanisms he'd put in place weren't enough.. he is now free and i remeber the gorgeous, sexy, smart and very funny man that he was, that's his legacy to me..a reminder to live as fully as possible.he knows he was loved by me, i know i gave him something he'd never experienced before and he was brave enough to accept those experiences.i am at peace with his decision and i know he is too."
Not sure what my to say but you sound amazing xxxx |
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"there's not always a 'way out' of remembering constant childhood abuse from your mother and father, despite having people surrounding you in later years with love and support, sometimes its just not enough. my last LTR ex killed himself earlier this year.. his country doesn't have the health care system that we have over here. he loved, i loved..but freedom from the coping mechanisms he'd put in place weren't enough.. he is now free and i remeber the gorgeous, sexy, smart and very funny man that he was, that's his legacy to me..a reminder to live as fully as possible.he knows he was loved by me, i know i gave him something he'd never experienced before and he was brave enough to accept those experiences.i am at peace with his decision and i know he is too."
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"Bloody stupid thread if you ask me? As someone who suffers from depression and has had thoughts around his own mortality I find it wrong that you can even ask such a stupid question. The road to not being depressed is a whole lot easier when you take an interest in other peoples musings and stop thinking you re right and everyone else is wrong
Now that is a stupid comment.Is it ? Whys that ?
Because other people's musings doesn't help with depression and it's not about being right or wrong. May be the wrong wording and you may well be right but as a full time counsellor qualified in Dementia and end of life care we are taught to stop insular behaviour where appropriate
Oh,that makes you right then,my apologies. Certainly did nt say that but obviously insular behaviour can promote depression may be leading to suicide
'Promote depression' no it doesn't. You can't stop insular behaviour no matter what your qualification is. No you cant stop it only help
Even that is hit and miss. "
Of course it is I never claimed a cure all anyone can do is listen and help ,I ve read this thread twice now and guess what communication is the recurring theme .I m not as well trained as you but if you can spot the symptoms and do something is nt that to be applauded |
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