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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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BBC iplayer has a short documentary called "life inside Wandsworth prison" which is a cat B prison.
It's worth a watch for anyone who thinks prison is easy. It's pretty painful viewing for the staff, although the staff did invite the documentary so there is that angle to it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"BBC iplayer has a short documentary called "life inside Wandsworth prison" which is a cat B prison.
It's worth a watch for anyone who thinks prison is easy. It's pretty painful viewing for the staff, although the staff did invite the documentary so there is that angle to it. "
Yes. I saw it. Grim. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I worked in a jail for à year and couldn't take any more. It was awful"
It certainly looked awful for the staff. That was one of the most shocking parts- how under staffed they were. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I've been inside Wanno a few times
What did they get you on?
I've been inside a lot of prisons in the UK, Italy, Greece and South America."
Sounds like you're not a very successful criminal if you keep getting caught |
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"I've been inside Wanno a few times
What did they get you on?
I've been inside a lot of prisons in the UK, Italy, Greece and South America.
Sounds like you're not a very successful criminal if you keep getting caught "
*sighs*
In a professional capacity  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I've been inside Wanno a few times
What did they get you on?
I've been inside a lot of prisons in the UK, Italy, Greece and South America.
Sounds like you're not a very successful criminal if you keep getting caught
*sighs*
In a professional capacity "
And in your professional option, is the documentary accurate? |
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"I've been inside Wanno a few times
What did they get you on?
I've been inside a lot of prisons in the UK, Italy, Greece and South America.
Sounds like you're not a very successful criminal if you keep getting caught
*sighs*
In a professional capacity
And in your professional option, is the documentary accurate? "
I've not watched it so can't say.
But on the face of it, understaffed and unpleasant sounds accurate |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I not watched the programme but will if staff are in dire conditions i feel for them but i feel absolutely 0 sympathy for any inmate if you cant do the time and all |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have worked in Cat B prisons. Joyless and oppressive are words that spring to mind. I couldn't stick it for more than a year.
Understaffed? "
I can't elaborate without identifying my role, and I can't mail you privately. |
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Any way you look at it the prisons service is failing.
For the amount of money we spend on incarceration (did you know it costs less to send a boy to Eaton, or to put someone up at The Savoy for a year than it costs to keep a man in prison?) you'd think we'd get better outcomes.
Although Wandsworth has been extensively refurbished it's a Victorian building. Not as bad as Brixton, certainly. Part of the problem are the out of date buildings.
Then there's the problem of the prisons service, which is dying a death of a thousand cuts. Staffed by largely morons, staffing levels are dangerously low. I think the governor of Wayland was assaulted last week and rates of violence and suicide amongst inmates are at an all time high.
And then it's being quietly chopped up and privatised (along with probation) by a Tory government trying to do shit on the cheap.
It's hardly surprising that it's a nasty job for nasty people.
On paper the prisons service is there to rehabilitate.
In practice it contains men (95% or so of prisoners are male and trust me, you don't want to go to a mother and baby unit, fucking heartbreaking)...
In practice it contains and incubates dangerous behaviour before it is released with scant attempts to provide for rehabilitation.
We set people up to fail, eg the huge numbers of repeat offenders who are in and out like they got rid of the revolving door and just put in an arch...
The truth is the vast, vast majority of prisoners *will* be released and need to be reintegrated.
And the prisons service doesn't do that.
So what is the prisons service there for? |
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"Any way you look at it the prisons service is failing.
For the amount of money we spend on incarceration (did you know it costs less to send a boy to Eaton, or to put someone up at The Savoy for a year than it costs to keep a man in prison?) you'd think we'd get better outcomes.
Although Wandsworth has been extensively refurbished it's a Victorian building. Not as bad as Brixton, certainly. Part of the problem are the out of date buildings.
Then there's the problem of the prisons service, which is dying a death of a thousand cuts. Staffed by largely morons, staffing levels are dangerously low. I think the governor of Wayland was assaulted last week and rates of violence and suicide amongst inmates are at an all time high.
And then it's being quietly chopped up and privatised (along with probation) by a Tory government trying to do shit on the cheap.
It's hardly surprising that it's a nasty job for nasty people.
On paper the prisons service is there to rehabilitate.
In practice it contains men (95% or so of prisoners are male and trust me, you don't want to go to a mother and baby unit, fucking heartbreaking)...
In practice it contains and incubates dangerous behaviour before it is released with scant attempts to provide for rehabilitation.
We set people up to fail, eg the huge numbers of repeat offenders who are in and out like they got rid of the revolving door and just put in an arch...
The truth is the vast, vast majority of prisoners *will* be released and need to be reintegrated.
And the prisons service doesn't do that.
So what is the prisons service there for?"
No offence to anyone who works in the prisons service. I've met genuinely amazing people who do their best in extreme situations.
But they tend not to last... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Any way you look at it the prisons service is failing.
For the amount of money we spend on incarceration (did you know it costs less to send a boy to Eaton, or to put someone up at The Savoy for a year than it costs to keep a man in prison?) you'd think we'd get better outcomes.
Although Wandsworth has been extensively refurbished it's a Victorian building. Not as bad as Brixton, certainly. Part of the problem are the out of date buildings.
Then there's the problem of the prisons service, which is dying a death of a thousand cuts. Staffed by largely morons, staffing levels are dangerously low. I think the governor of Wayland was assaulted last week and rates of violence and suicide amongst inmates are at an all time high.
And then it's being quietly chopped up and privatised (along with probation) by a Tory government trying to do shit on the cheap.
It's hardly surprising that it's a nasty job for nasty people.
On paper the prisons service is there to rehabilitate.
In practice it contains men (95% or so of prisoners are male and trust me, you don't want to go to a mother and baby unit, fucking heartbreaking)...
In practice it contains and incubates dangerous behaviour before it is released with scant attempts to provide for rehabilitation.
We set people up to fail, eg the huge numbers of repeat offenders who are in and out like they got rid of the revolving door and just put in an arch...
The truth is the vast, vast majority of prisoners *will* be released and need to be reintegrated.
And the prisons service doesn't do that.
So what is the prisons service there for?"
To make vengful middle class people feel good?
But part of it is people's attitudes towards ex-cons. They are social leapers when they come out so of course they continue to hang with their home boys and end up repeating the same behaviour. |
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"So what is the prisons service there for?
To make vengful middle class people feel good?
But part of it is people's attitudes towards ex-cons. They are social leapers when they come out so of course they continue to hang with their home boys and end up repeating the same behaviour."
Yep.
(with some caveats)
But food for thought...
In the criminologist's chair
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07npxwx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Any way you look at it the prisons service is failing.
For the amount of money we spend on incarceration (did you know it costs less to send a boy to Eaton, or to put someone up at The Savoy for a year than it costs to keep a man in prison?) you'd think we'd get better outcomes.
Although Wandsworth has been extensively refurbished it's a Victorian building. Not as bad as Brixton, certainly. Part of the problem are the out of date buildings.
Then there's the problem of the prisons service, which is dying a death of a thousand cuts. Staffed by largely morons, staffing levels are dangerously low. I think the governor of Wayland was assaulted last week and rates of violence and suicide amongst inmates are at an all time high.
And then it's being quietly chopped up and privatised (along with probation) by a Tory government trying to do shit on the cheap.
It's hardly surprising that it's a nasty job for nasty people.
On paper the prisons service is there to rehabilitate.
In practice it contains men (95% or so of prisoners are male and trust me, you don't want to go to a mother and baby unit, fucking heartbreaking)...
In practice it contains and incubates dangerous behaviour before it is released with scant attempts to provide for rehabilitation.
We set people up to fail, eg the huge numbers of repeat offenders who are in and out like they got rid of the revolving door and just put in an arch...
The truth is the vast, vast majority of prisoners *will* be released and need to be reintegrated.
And the prisons service doesn't do that.
So what is the prisons service there for?"
Absolutely. For the first time in many years there's also reduced budget in offender health spending this year. The integration of the NHS into prisons has been a major success story but whispers on the wind suggest a u-turn.
Last year the government promised to convert several more prisons into PiPES or TC'S which is proven by to be the most effective way of reducing re offending levels and raising the life chances of some of society's most vulnerable people. That funding has been pushed back, and the proposal which has taken years of work is now expected to be seriously watered down.
In one of the prisons I visit there used to be five officers per shift on the wing - now there are only two or three often too scared to leave the bubble. As one officer said to me recently: "We are no longer in control, it's the law of the jungle in here - and one day they'll be out there"
I haven't watched the programme yet OP but it'll probably depress me anyway. |
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