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"That's because China teach kids that second place is really just the first loser. Here the kids get taught its not winning its taking part that counts. " So which one is correct in your opinion? | |||
"That's because China teach kids that second place is really just the first loser. Here the kids get taught its not winning its taking part that counts. So which one is correct in your opinion? " Some where in between. World level competition, of course gold is preferable, but 2nd or 3rd best in the world, yeah I'd be celebrating. | |||
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"That's because China teach kids that second place is really just the first loser. Here the kids get taught its not winning its taking part that counts. So which one is correct in your opinion? " I cage fight....the last thing you wanna do there is come second. China maybe a little regimental in there training camps, in this country it would be child cruelty. | |||
"i think achieving bronze is an achievement, i hate it when footballers remove their "loosers" medals (bunch overpaid wankers- and Im a season ticket holder) lol" If a non-league team makes the 4th round of the FA cup, that's a huge achievement itself. But if they stop dreaming of winning the FA cup, that's a huge problem. | |||
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"Qualifying for the Olympics is an achievement. Winning silver if your ability and expectation is gold is a disappointment. Winning bronze if just qualification was your goal is an amazing victory. It's all about perception which is why there's no right or wrong answer to this question. "  | |||
"A athlete did say that you win a gold . You win a bronze but silver is the only medal that you actually lose to get it " Yeah, but you're pure Gold Tosh so it doesn't matter anyway  | |||
"A athlete did say that you win a gold . You win a bronze but silver is the only medal that you actually lose to get it Yeah, but you're pure Gold Tosh so it doesn't matter anyway "Cheers  | |||
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"Wonder how many medals/trophies the people saying if it's not gold you're a loser have won "I can't answer for the rest here, but I know how many I have. It's not as many as Michael Phelps  | |||
"Wonder how many medals/trophies the people saying if it's not gold you're a loser have won
I can't answer for the rest here, but I know how many I have.
It's not as many as Michael Phelps "Interestingly, Phelps might owe as much as $55k by the time he returns to the US... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37099066 | |||
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"Well he can always use .cash for gold . Kerching "Actually, no... Value of Summer Olympics Medals: Gold: $600 (The gold medal consist of just 1% of actual gold, 92.5% silver and 6.16% copper). Silver: $325 (While in silver medal, the gold is replaced by more copper rest meterial is the same like gold medal) Bronze: $3 (Bronze medal however is 97% copper and 2.5% zinc and 0.5% tin) | |||
"Wonder how many medals/trophies the people saying if it's not gold you're a loser have won
I can't answer for the rest here, but I know how many I have.
It's not as many as Michael Phelps
Interestingly, Phelps might owe as much as $55k by the time he returns to the US...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37099066"I'd happily pay $50k tax if I was getting paid £2M. | |||
"Wonder how many medals/trophies the people saying if it's not gold you're a loser have won
I can't answer for the rest here, but I know how many I have.
It's not as many as Michael Phelps
Interestingly, Phelps might owe as much as $55k by the time he returns to the US...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37099066
I'd happily pay $50k tax if I was getting paid £2M. "The sums are wrong - he gets taxed at 39.6% once earnings are over £2m | |||
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"Wonder how many medals/trophies the people saying if it's not gold you're a loser have won
I can't answer for the rest here, but I know how many I have.
It's not as many as Michael Phelps
Interestingly, Phelps might owe as much as $55k by the time he returns to the US...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37099066"with his annual earnings i'm sure he'll piss that out before he has his orange juice for breakfast | |||
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"Did the wrong currency sign but w/e." I compounded the error | |||
"19 Germany $19,500 20 United Kingdom no cash prized awarded by Britain’s Olympic Committee" Wah hey, we lost to the krauts again | |||
"19 Germany $19,500 20 United Kingdom no cash prized awarded by Britain’s Olympic Committee Wah hey, we lost to the krauts again "Interesting, that, isn't it? | |||
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"19 Germany $19,500 20 United Kingdom no cash prized awarded by Britain’s Olympic Committee Wah hey, we lost to the krauts again
Interesting, that, isn't it? "I'm in the mood for a penalty shoot out 
I know you don't like football Joe, but it's the best I can come up with atm
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"Qualifying for the Olympics is an achievement. Winning silver if your ability and expectation is gold is a disappointment. Winning bronze if just qualification was your goal is an amazing victory. It's all about perception which is why there's no right or wrong answer to this question. " See i don't agree with this because you don't go to the Olympics to represent your goals. You go there to represent your country. If you don't have the goal to win gold then your place / funding etc should go to someone else from your country that does. | |||
"So some athletes have criticised others for celebrating bronze medals "as if they were Gold" ones. Is this part of a culture that robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold? Is this a wider cultural thing, England football never look disappointed with a draw. The Chinese media refer to getting a silver medal as "losing a gold"... " Any medal in the olympics is an achievment,a moment to celebrate.the chinese attitude mirrors the old soviet way,and we know how that works. | |||
"anyone who even makes it olympics cometitive level is a winner really." Well that's a nice summary of the British culture, but the question is whether that culture robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold? | |||
"So some athletes have criticised others for celebrating bronze medals "as if they were Gold" ones. Is this part of a culture that robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold? Is this a wider cultural thing, England football never look disappointed with a draw. The Chinese media refer to getting a silver medal as "losing a gold"... Any medal in the olympics is an achievment,a moment to celebrate.the chinese attitude mirrors the old soviet way,and we know how that works. " I can't speak for all Americans but I believe their general attitude is pretty similar | |||
If I played any sport on a seriously competitive level then I would see a clear difference between gold and bronze. That's just the way it is. From my seat on the couch, I can appreciate that bronze is an achievement. From the podium? There's a big difference. | |||
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"The day I start caring who gets a gold medal in the olympics, never mind a bronze, is the day I have to seriously re-evaluate my priorities
If I played any sport on a seriously competitive level then I would see a clear difference between gold and bronze. That's just the way it is. From my seat on the couch, I can appreciate that bronze is an achievement. From the podium? There's a big difference. "Do you think American culture is closer to Britain's "you're already a winner once you get to Rio" or China's "the silver medal is a lost gold"? | |||
"I can imagine that, to an emotionally underdeveloped looser sitting at his pc in his bedroom in sweat soaked y-fronts, saying a silver medal from the Olympics is "first looser" makes a welcome change from arranging meets on Fab he never intends to keep. All those that make it to an Olympic final deserve serious respect in my book. " I think you are conflating things. China is not saying silver doesn't deserve respect. They are simply saying that everyone should target gold, whether they achieve it or not is another thing. Also, if you don't hit gold, don't throw your hands up in the air screaming and crying in celebration like you did. | |||
"The day I start caring who gets a gold medal in the olympics, never mind a bronze, is the day I have to seriously re-evaluate my priorities
If I played any sport on a seriously competitive level then I would see a clear difference between gold and bronze. That's just the way it is. From my seat on the couch, I can appreciate that bronze is an achievement. From the podium? There's a big difference.
Do you think American culture is closer to Britain's "you're already a winner once you get to Rio" or China's "the silver medal is a lost gold"? "Somewhere between the two. In the US you only hear about gold medal winners, really. But you aren't shitted on for only getting silver. You just kind of don't matter. If that makes sense? | |||
"The day I start caring who gets a gold medal in the olympics, never mind a bronze, is the day I have to seriously re-evaluate my priorities
If I played any sport on a seriously competitive level then I would see a clear difference between gold and bronze. That's just the way it is. From my seat on the couch, I can appreciate that bronze is an achievement. From the podium? There's a big difference.
Do you think American culture is closer to Britain's "you're already a winner once you get to Rio" or China's "the silver medal is a lost gold"?
Somewhere between the two. In the US you only hear about gold medal winners, really. But you aren't shitted on for only getting silver. You just kind of don't matter. If that makes sense?"Spioler alert coming up. I tended to associate Americans with more of a Tom Brady 'win at all costs' mentality. But then I remembered they made an awesome film about a high school football team who came second in a texas bowl (Friday Night Lights) so I guess I can see "somewhere in between the two". | |||
"Wonder how many medals/trophies the people saying if it's not gold you're a loser have won "They are not saying they are a loser. Just that they lost the gold. It's an implied assumption that everyone should have the same goal. It's also a question of logic, as defined by a culture, so how many medals a person has won isn't really relevant. Just as nobody finds it strange that there are people here are stating their preference for the British culture and yet they are not Olympic athletes. | |||
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"The 45kg silver medalist in the wrestling was smash disappointed. She lost to Japan. She had won silver in the previous 3 Olympics and was on for gold if she had held out for another 12 seconds or something. The Japanese woman beat her in the final few seconds and was in tears with the win. The Kazakhstani runner up couldn't even lift her medal never mind look at the camera for photos, she just wanted to get off the podium and leave. Couldn't blame her - she was gutted. " Ooh I'll try and watch that one on YouTube. I'm an MMA fan and I'd say that most fights between well matched people are won by those who wanted it more. It takes a level of desire to win in the final seconds that most people don't have. | |||
"If I won bronze I would be happy. Third best out of the world's top athletes is an achievement I would be more than happy with. " But would you? You would be happy now But imagine you have sacrificed everything friends family a social life to train 6 hours a day every day since you were 10 never partied not been able to live the life all your mates have, all to come 3Rd? Would you really be happy? I'd be fucking pissed off, | |||
"anyone who even makes it olympics competitive level is a winner really. Well that's a nice summary of the British culture, but the question is whether that culture robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold?" yes probably it does, then again i never had that competitive streak in the first place. i think being more than good enough is enough. if you know me then you'll know i don't really understand competitiveness and why people put themselves on a par with their countries best people when they haven't acheived that level themselves personally, ame for football teams and anything like that. if you're really celebrating your country then you'd be proud to have it competing and trying it's best. obviously it's great to see people win but it's not the be all and end all if you've made a lot of effort and trained and tried your best, which is already higher than billions of other people around the world as it is. to push your country to look the most physically better than the rest of the world is stupid also. there are many people, who from lack of opportunity, will never get to show how great they are as physical specimens. it's just a fucked up version of eugenics. most sport and beauty standards are. | |||
"anyone who even makes it olympics competitive level is a winner really. Well that's a nice summary of the British culture, but the question is whether that culture robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold? yes probably it does, then again i never had that competitive streak in the first place. i think being more than good enough is enough. if you know me then you'll know i don't really understand competitiveness and why people put themselves on a par with their countries best people when they haven't acheived that level themselves personally, ame for football teams and anything like that. if you're really celebrating your country then you'd be proud to have it competing and trying it's best. obviously it's great to see people win but it's not the be all and end all if you've made a lot of effort and trained and tried your best, which is already higher than billions of other people around the world as it is. to push your country to look the most physically better than the rest of the world is stupid also. there are many people, who from lack of opportunity, will never get to show how great they are as physical specimens. it's just a fucked up version of eugenics. most sport and beauty standards are." That's an interesting answer, thanks for posting it | |||
"That's because China teach kids that second place is really just the first loser. Here the kids get taught its not winning its taking part that counts. So which one is correct in your opinion? I cage fight....the last thing you wanna do there is come second. China maybe a little regimental in there training camps, in this country it would be child cruelty. " Everybody ain't gonna Win Gold all People can do is Their Best and Sometimes Personal Best's and Being Chosen to Compete in the Olympics makes makes Every Sports Person Winner's . | |||
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"The 45kg silver medalist in the wrestling was smash disappointed. She lost to Japan. She had won silver in the previous 3 Olympics and was on for gold if she had held out for another 12 seconds or something. The Japanese woman beat her in the final few seconds and was in tears with the win. The Kazakhstani runner up couldn't even lift her medal never mind look at the camera for photos, she just wanted to get off the podium and leave. Couldn't blame her - she was gutted. Ooh I'll try and watch that one on YouTube. I'm an MMA fan and I'd say that most fights between well matched people are won by those who wanted it more. It takes a level of desire to win in the final seconds that most people don't have. " The award was probably the best of the Olympics. She should get a medal just for that. She carried her coach on her shoulders and wrestled him too. Meant so much to both of them. | |||
"I can imagine that, to an emotionally underdeveloped looser sitting at his pc in his bedroom in sweat soaked y-fronts, saying a silver medal from the Olympics is "first looser" makes a welcome change from arranging meets on Fab he never intends to keep. All those that make it to an Olympic final deserve serious respect in my book. " This is spot on! I actually met a 2 time gold medalist (through a school thing and sport training), alhtough she only won her 2nd one last night!! and she is awesome and never stops training and she always say anybody getting to the olympics is already a major winner! | |||
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"Dare I say, the Netherlands coach after losing on penalties to the womens GB hockey team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "I was thinking of the Brazilian rower with his bronze. What a muppet. | |||
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"There is only 1 winner and second place is the first loser" Justin Gatlin may not agree with you on that one | |||
"There is only 1 winner and second place is the first loser Justin Gatlin may not agree with you on that one "He is a cheating piece of shit | |||
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"There is only 1 winner and second place is the first loser Justin Gatlin may not agree with you on that one
He is a cheating piece of shit"Basic logic will tell you that when you have two gifted athletes and one uses steroids, but didn't win - the guy who did is definitely juicing | |||
"There is only 1 winner and second place is the first loser Justin Gatlin may not agree with you on that one
He is a cheating piece of shit"I agree with your sentiments, but he has served his time and is still second best. | |||
"So some athletes have criticised others for celebrating bronze medals "as if they were Gold" ones. Is this part of a culture that robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold? Is this a wider cultural thing, England football never look disappointed with a draw. The Chinese media refer to getting a silver medal as "losing a gold"... " How can you criticise someone for being 3rd best in the world!? Seems to me that to do so shows a poor attitude and a hint of jealousy as I doubt if anyone winning gold or silver would criticise 3rd place. | |||
"So some athletes have criticised others for celebrating bronze medals "as if they were Gold" ones. Is this part of a culture that robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold? Is this a wider cultural thing, England football never look disappointed with a draw. The Chinese media refer to getting a silver medal as "losing a gold"... How can you criticise someone for being 3rd best in the world!? Seems to me that to do so shows a poor attitude and a hint of jealousy as I doubt if anyone winning gold or silver would criticise 3rd place. " It's not a criticism of the achievement itself, it's acknowledgment that Gold should be the goal for everyone. A distinction that is going straight over a lot of people's heads here. Think of it like this, the Chinese would say "well done on your silver, you are clearly very close to achieving Gold in future, you have a lot of achievement to build upon from this" whilst the Brazilian rower is off doing a victory lap for his Bronze because he's already satisfied that this is the greatest moment of his life. | |||
"So some athletes have criticised others for celebrating bronze medals "as if they were Gold" ones. Is this part of a culture that robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold? Is this a wider cultural thing, England football never look disappointed with a draw. The Chinese media refer to getting a silver medal as "losing a gold"... How can you criticise someone for being 3rd best in the world!? Seems to me that to do so shows a poor attitude and a hint of jealousy as I doubt if anyone winning gold or silver would criticise 3rd place. " Ps: Olympic athletes are not necessarily the best in the world. Maybe for sprinting they are but absolutely not for boxing, rugby, football and others. | |||
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"Did you see Lutalo Muhammad when he won the silver? He was totally gutted. I don't think that British athletes do aspire for less than gold, but I think the audiences watching will celebrate any medal. " So is it your opinion that this culture doesn't "robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold?" Or that athletes like Lutalo Muhammad are immune from the culture and self motivated anyway? | |||
"I can imagine that, to an emotionally underdeveloped looser sitting at his pc in his bedroom in sweat soaked y-fronts, saying a silver medal from the Olympics is "first looser" makes a welcome change from arranging meets on Fab he never intends to keep. All those that make it to an Olympic final deserve serious respect in my book. " This. | |||
"Did you see Lutalo Muhammad when he won the silver? He was totally gutted. I don't think that British athletes do aspire for less than gold, but I think the audiences watching will celebrate any medal. So is it your opinion that this culture doesn't "robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold?" Or that athletes like Lutalo Muhammad are immune from the culture and self motivated anyway?" Bit of both. I think people who have got to that stage of their chosen sport have the self motivation and ruthlessness needed. I'm not convinced that having more of the American or Chinese attitude in the country as a whole would make much difference. I've seen loads of interviews just after the event with athletes who've just got silver or bronze or missed out by a whisker. They've all looked incredibly disappointed but like they didn't want to be seen as a sore loser and were trying to take positives from the situation. It's a better balance, in my opinion, than the win at all costs, you're a failure if you get anything less than gold approach. | |||
"Did you see Lutalo Muhammad when he won the silver? He was totally gutted. I don't think that British athletes do aspire for less than gold, but I think the audiences watching will celebrate any medal. So is it your opinion that this culture doesn't "robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold?" Or that athletes like Lutalo Muhammad are immune from the culture and self motivated anyway? Bit of both. I think people who have got to that stage of their chosen sport have the self motivation and ruthlessness needed. I'm not convinced that having more of the American or Chinese attitude in the country as a whole would make much difference. I've seen loads of interviews just after the event with athletes who've just got silver or bronze or missed out by a whisker. They've all looked incredibly disappointed but like they didn't want to be seen as a sore loser and were trying to take positives from the situation. It's a better balance, in my opinion, than the win at all costs, you're a failure if you get anything less than gold approach." Just to be clear, the Chinese attitude is not that someone winning silver or bronze is a failure. There's plenty of middle ground between champion and failures. But what they are saying is that you shouldn't be satisfied with a silver and you should always set Gold as your goal. If, as the Brazilian rower did, you start waving your dick in circles over a bronze then you are implicitly violating that belief and it would be frowned upon. They would not label him a failure though. | |||
"Did you see Lutalo Muhammad when he won the silver? He was totally gutted. I don't think that British athletes do aspire for less than gold, but I think the audiences watching will celebrate any medal. So is it your opinion that this culture doesn't "robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold?" Or that athletes like Lutalo Muhammad are immune from the culture and self motivated anyway? Bit of both. I think people who have got to that stage of their chosen sport have the self motivation and ruthlessness needed. I'm not convinced that having more of the American or Chinese attitude in the country as a whole would make much difference. I've seen loads of interviews just after the event with athletes who've just got silver or bronze or missed out by a whisker. They've all looked incredibly disappointed but like they didn't want to be seen as a sore loser and were trying to take positives from the situation. It's a better balance, in my opinion, than the win at all costs, you're a failure if you get anything less than gold approach. Just to be clear, the Chinese attitude is not that someone winning silver or bronze is a failure. There's plenty of middle ground between champion and failures. But what they are saying is that you shouldn't be satisfied with a silver and you should always set Gold as your goal. If, as the Brazilian rower did, you start waving your dick in circles over a bronze then you are implicitly violating that belief and it would be frowned upon. They would not label him a failure though. " I think Gold is always the ultimate goal, but I don't think anyone should be frowned upon for being happy with bronze if it was unexpected or a new personal best or something. Plus the Brazilian rower being on home turf was probably also playing up to the crowd etc. If I was expecting an A and got a B I'd be devastated. If I was expecting a C and got a B I'd celebrate that (but also wonder whether I couldn't have done a little bit more for an A). | |||
"So some athletes have criticised others for celebrating bronze medals "as if they were Gold" ones. Is this part of a culture that robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold? Is this a wider cultural thing, England football never look disappointed with a draw. The Chinese media refer to getting a silver medal as "losing a gold"... " If I was Usain Bolt I'd weep at a bronze, if I were Adam Gemili I'd be doing laps of honour until they dragged me off I'd be so estatic. | |||
"Just to be clear, the Chinese attitude is not that someone winning silver or bronze is a failure. There's plenty of middle ground between champion and failures. But what they are saying is that you shouldn't be satisfied with a silver and you should always set Gold as your goal. " Correct. You could say the same about Americans saying that 'anything less than gold is a failure'... But. How will the Chinese feel *if* Team GB™ pip them to 2nd place? | |||
"Just to be clear, the Chinese attitude is not that someone winning silver or bronze is a failure. There's plenty of middle ground between champion and failures. But what they are saying is that you shouldn't be satisfied with a silver and you should always set Gold as your goal. Correct. You could say the same about Americans saying that 'anything less than gold is a failure'... But. How will the Chinese feel *if* Team GB™ pip them to 2nd place?" Officially, fucked off, but unofficially there's quite a backlash amongst every day Chinese people against the culture. In particular, younger people feel too much pressure is put on them by the establishments and actually a swimmer called Fu has become a celebrity for showing her human side rather than sticking to the official script. That said, it'll be a long time before they start banning sports days and dishing out participation trophies. | |||
"So some athletes have criticised others for celebrating bronze medals "as if they were Gold" ones. Is this part of a culture that robs athletes of the ruthlessness to push themselves for Gold? Is this a wider cultural thing, England football never look disappointed with a draw. The Chinese media refer to getting a silver medal as "losing a gold"... If I was Usain Bolt I'd weep at a bronze, if I were Adam Gemili I'd be doing laps of honour until they dragged me off I'd be so estatic. "But this is also part of it. China feel that they have the resources and talent to get Gold. They don't judge all other countries by this standard. | |||
"Did you see Lutalo Muhammad when he won the silver? He was totally gutted. I don't think that British athletes do aspire for less than gold, but I think the audiences watching will celebrate any medal. " OK I've just seen it now. I think it actually supports the point I was making, he's on the back foot playing defensively because he doesn't have the ruthless streak. When you lose in the final seconds it's usually because the other person wanted it more than you. | |||
"It's all relative, I guess. Like you say a non-league team reaching the fourth round of the cup is a great achievement. A second division team reaching the semis would be noteworthy. But overall I do feel in Britain we celebrate mediocrity too readily. Ultimately we should all want to be the best we can be. America and Australia want and expect that. Not sure we do though " Remind us where are Australia in medals table ?? we UK-GB are 2nd enough said | |||
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