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"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " Bukkake as we see it now is a bastardisation of its origin's. I don't understand why people piss on each other. Each to their own. It does nothing for me. | |||
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"Maybe it's the taboo aspect? Or maybe some ladies like the role play aspect of letting go and acting the "slut" so to speak."  | |||
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"I'm afraid I'm the female perspective that loves it. Although not bukkake, but degradation, humiliation, control relinquishment, anything along those lines x" It is hot to experience that as a guy doing it. I've pushed my boundaries with things like this with a regular FB. Obviously there are boundaries and wishes to be respected but it does make me extremely aroused | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " I don't like the thought of harming or nastily degrading a woman for the sake of sexual pleasure, but I do find submissiveness from women very exciting, especially with things like anal, ass to mouth, swallowing etc. These things won't be for everyone, but I can understand how some people would enjoy being submissive in these kind of acts, probably from the sense of excitement and trust involved, and enjoyment of pleasing their partner. | |||
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"I'm afraid I'm the female perspective that loves it. Although not bukkake, but degradation, humiliation, control relinquishment, anything along those lines x It is hot to experience that as a guy doing it. I've pushed my boundaries with things like this with a regular FB. Obviously there are boundaries and wishes to be respected but it does make me extremely aroused " I just add it was nothing like tying boobs up. But bounding wrists and ankles, leg bars, spanking with pads and choking | |||
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"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. " each to their own x | |||
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"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. " I haven't been abused. But a woman absolutely destroyed me once. It felt good  | |||
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"I'm afraid I'm the female perspective that loves it. Although not bukkake, but degradation, humiliation, control relinquishment, anything along those lines x It is hot to experience that as a guy doing it. I've pushed my boundaries with things like this with a regular FB. Obviously there are boundaries and wishes to be respected but it does make me extremely aroused I just add it was nothing like tying boobs up. But bounding wrists and ankles, leg bars, spanking with pads and choking " You can come and bind me anytime  | |||
"I'm afraid I'm the female perspective that loves it. Although not bukkake, but degradation, humiliation, control relinquishment, anything along those lines x It is hot to experience that as a guy doing it. I've pushed my boundaries with things like this with a regular FB. Obviously there are boundaries and wishes to be respected but it does make me extremely aroused I just add it was nothing like tying boobs up. But bounding wrists and ankles, leg bars, spanking with pads and choking You can come and bind me anytime " | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. " There's a huge difference between 'abused' and consensual elements of BDSM. I've been a victim of domestic violence that's abuse. However I'm submissive and enjoy bdsm sub space is amazing place to be in aftercare is imperative. But it's not ABUSE x | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " I don't find rope play degrading. It's painful which is the point for a masochist. The other stuff I find horribly degrading but there are many people who find it sexually exciting including the degredation aspect. Each to their own as long as it is consenting. | |||
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"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " You like rimming and spanking. Others might not understand why those activities appeal to you. It is hard to explain why any particular sexual activity appeals. It is a bit like asking why someone likes (or dislikes) the taste of marmite. The only answer that can truly be given is "Because I do." | |||
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"Maybe it's the taboo aspect? Or maybe some ladies like the role play aspect of letting go and acting the "slut" so to speak." This.  | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. There's a huge difference between 'abused' and consensual elements of BDSM. I've been a victim of domestic violence that's abuse. However I'm submissive and enjoy bdsm sub space is amazing place to be in aftercare is imperative. But it's not ABUSE x"  | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " It's only abusive if the recipient regards it as abusive. For many many people being degraded / humiliated is a massive turn on! Not me! | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. There's a huge difference between 'abused' and consensual elements of BDSM. I've been a victim of domestic violence that's abuse. However I'm submissive and enjoy bdsm sub space is amazing place to be in aftercare is imperative. But it's not ABUSE x" | |||
" There's a huge difference between 'abused' and consensual elements of BDSM. I've been a victim of domestic violence that's abuse. However I'm submissive and enjoy bdsm sub space is amazing place to be in aftercare is imperative. But it's not ABUSE x" Agreed with everything.. But say the word aftercare to most and they look at you like you've turned into a frog! I think abuse is just a turn of phrase, not to be taken literally | |||
"I like feeling dominated. But only in bed and only if I know the guy is totally looking after me. Strikes me that is a power thing, and feeling powerful is an aphrodisiac. For me, it's a pretty nasty, unsophisticated way to get it. " It's not cool to label others preferences as nasty or unsophisticated to be honest. Each to their own. | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. I haven't been abused. But a woman absolutely destroyed me once. It felt good "Destroyed how? | |||
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" There's a huge difference between 'abused' and consensual elements of BDSM. I've been a victim of domestic violence that's abuse. However I'm submissive and enjoy bdsm sub space is amazing place to be in aftercare is imperative. But it's not ABUSE x Agreed with everything.. But say the word aftercare to most and they look at you like you've turned into a frog! Safe sane consensual. The BDSM community would never use abuse to describe any of its elements I think abuse is just a turn of phrase, not to be taken literally" | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. " maybe she actually does enjoy it, and that is part of the arousal for the partner and other's..? 'fucked up' is a bit strong, long as its consensual and legal etc its live and let live surely.. was going to say horses for courses but best not eh.. | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. " I can only speak from my own perspective, for me, its the feeling of power, but, not in a traditional sense, before I embark on any kind of bdsm play with some one new, I like to have a lot of dialogue with her first, what her limits are, what she has tried before, what are absolute no no's and so on and so forth. It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits. This means I can seamlessly go through her fantasies without having to say "do you like that?" Or "is this OK?" Thus keeping the illusion of her relinquishing control, though in reality, I'm just doing what she wants me to do, imagine being with a guy who knows exactly how you want to be touched, and for how long, without having to teach him on the fly. Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true. I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves | |||
"I like feeling dominated. But only in bed and only if I know the guy is totally looking after me. Strikes me that is a power thing, and feeling powerful is an aphrodisiac. For me, it's a pretty nasty, unsophisticated way to get it. " You mention the power thing, and I agree with you, it makes sense that it would be an aphrodisiac. Perhaps for some people though, their supposed submission IS a display of power - I mean if a beautiful woman came on here, saying that she enjoys all kinds of taboo and submissive stuff, how many guys do you think she could effortlessly have pursuing her? In things like porn, women are often shown in the more submissive roles, but how many so megastars, big names in porn, are almost always women? And how many thousands upon thousands of guys in the world desire them? You don't always have to be the one on top, to have the power. | |||
"I like feeling dominated. But only in bed and only if I know the guy is totally looking after me. Strikes me that is a power thing, and feeling powerful is an aphrodisiac. For me, it's a pretty nasty, unsophisticated way to get it. You mention the power thing, and I agree with you, it makes sense that it would be an aphrodisiac. Perhaps for some people though, their supposed submission IS a display of power - I mean if a beautiful woman came on here, saying that she enjoys all kinds of taboo and submissive stuff, how many guys do you think she could effortlessly have pursuing her? In things like porn, women are often shown in the more submissive roles, but how many so megastars, big names in porn, are almost always women? And how many thousands upon thousands of guys in the world desire them? You don't always have to be the one on top, to have the power." A lot of people don't realise that the power lies SOLELY with the submissive, it is them that have given the gift of it, and it's there's to take away in an instant | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. I can only speak from my own perspective, for me, its the feeling of power, but, not in a traditional sense, before I embark on any kind of bdsm play with some one new, I like to have a lot of dialogue with her first, what her limits are, what she has tried before, what are absolute no no's and so on and so forth. It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits. This means I can seamlessly go through her fantasies without having to say "do you like that?" Or "is this OK?" Thus keeping the illusion of her relinquishing control, though in reality, I'm just doing what she wants me to do, imagine being with a guy who knows exactly how you want to be touched, and for how long, without having to teach him on the fly. Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true. I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves" The submissive holds the control a lot can't understand this concept as they think the dom top master daddy etc does | |||
"I like feeling dominated. But only in bed and only if I know the guy is totally looking after me. Strikes me that is a power thing, and feeling powerful is an aphrodisiac. For me, it's a pretty nasty, unsophisticated way to get it. You mention the power thing, and I agree with you, it makes sense that it would be an aphrodisiac. Perhaps for some people though, their supposed submission IS a display of power - I mean if a beautiful woman came on here, saying that she enjoys all kinds of taboo and submissive stuff, how many guys do you think she could effortlessly have pursuing her? In things like porn, women are often shown in the more submissive roles, but how many so megastars, big names in porn, are almost always women? And how many thousands upon thousands of guys in the world desire them? You don't always have to be the one on top, to have the power. A lot of people don't realise that the power lies SOLELY with the submissive, it is them that have given the gift of it, and it's there's to take away in an instant" I've just commented the exact same | |||
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" A lot of people don't realise that the power lies SOLELY with the submissive, it is them that have given the gift of it, and it's there's to take away in an instant" this and what kinky butler said in his last paragraph.. a sub giving their consent within understood and agreed parameters is a massive privilege and responsibility to and for the dominant other.. | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. I can only speak from my own perspective, for me, its the feeling of power, but, not in a traditional sense, before I embark on any kind of bdsm play with some one new, I like to have a lot of dialogue with her first, what her limits are, what she has tried before, what are absolute no no's and so on and so forth. It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits. This means I can seamlessly go through her fantasies without having to say "do you like that?" Or "is this OK?" Thus keeping the illusion of her relinquishing control, though in reality, I'm just doing what she wants me to do, imagine being with a guy who knows exactly how you want to be touched, and for how long, without having to teach him on the fly. Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true. I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves The submissive holds the control a lot can't understand this concept as they think the dom top master daddy etc does " I can't help but chuckle when I hear people say that Dom's have all the power, we only hold the power we are allowed to have, so, we are a bunch of pussy whipped bitches really lol | |||
"its human nature, everyones got a sadistic side to them. I have met a few men like this in my time, women are the same too of course. Some things seem wrong to me but then i can see why some people enjoy them. I prefer straight sex because thats all i need. Bukkake seems like fun and i watched a german film of it and liked it, be a pain cleaning up the mess though. I dont get why men like seeing a womans tits bound tight though, seems pointless. Watersports is pretty revolting in my opinion." Shibari and breast bondage is an artform. And they should never turn a funny colour , when practising some elements of bdsm it really is a good idea to understand what things can go wrong and educate yourself on anatomy etc | |||
" A lot of people don't realise that the power lies SOLELY with the submissive, it is them that have given the gift of it, and it's there's to take away in an instant this and what kinky butler said in his last paragraph.. a sub giving their consent within understood and agreed parameters is a massive privilege and responsibility to and for the dominant other.. " Surely both have the power. I never understand just one having the power. It's a mutual thing. | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. I can only speak from my own perspective, for me, its the feeling of power, but, not in a traditional sense, before I embark on any kind of bdsm play with some one new, I like to have a lot of dialogue with her first, what her limits are, what she has tried before, what are absolute no no's and so on and so forth. It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits. This means I can seamlessly go through her fantasies without having to say "do you like that?" Or "is this OK?" Thus keeping the illusion of her relinquishing control, though in reality, I'm just doing what she wants me to do, imagine being with a guy who knows exactly how you want to be touched, and for how long, without having to teach him on the fly. Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true. I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves The submissive holds the control a lot can't understand this concept as they think the dom top master daddy etc does I can't help but chuckle when I hear people say that Dom's have all the power, we only hold the power we are allowed to have, so, we are a bunch of pussy whipped bitches really lol " | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. " Well speaking as a guy who enjoys being on the receiving end of 'abuse' I guess I am fucked up 
This is just my perspective,and I have limited experience of being in this situation. And I'm not ultra comfortable bearing my soul on an open forum, but here goes.
It's about catharsis, completely letting go and becoming someone else, forgetting about the stresses and strain of everyday life. So I'm just a sub who exists for somebody else's pleasure albeit temporarily. And yes the feeling of being close to tears and having an intense orgasm is indescribable. | |||
" A lot of people don't realise that the power lies SOLELY with the submissive, it is them that have given the gift of it, and it's there's to take away in an instant this and what kinky butler said in his last paragraph.. a sub giving their consent within understood and agreed parameters is a massive privilege and responsibility to and for the dominant other.. Surely both have the power. I never understand just one having the power. It's a mutual thing. " it is mutual yes, hence there needs to be communication before and a safe word during if needed.. | |||
"its human nature, everyones got a sadistic side to them. I have met a few men like this in my time, women are the same too of course. Some things seem wrong to me but then i can see why some people enjoy them. I prefer straight sex because thats all i need. Bukkake seems like fun and i watched a german film of it and liked it, be a pain cleaning up the mess though. I dont get why men like seeing a womans tits bound tight though, seems pointless. Watersports is pretty revolting in my opinion." I won't have anything to do with breast torture, I'm just not convinced of its safety in regards to links with breast cancer, and until I see some compelling evidence, it will be a total no from me on that one | |||
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"For me, sex is sex, I don't connect it with emotions of the heart, it's about the thrill. And the thrill for me is the feeling of being filthy, doing things people would never imagine you'd do " | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " Im with you on that one x | |||
" A lot of people don't realise that the power lies SOLELY with the submissive, it is them that have given the gift of it, and it's there's to take away in an instant this and what kinky butler said in his last paragraph.. a sub giving their consent within understood and agreed parameters is a massive privilege and responsibility to and for the dominant other.. Surely both have the power. I never understand just one having the power. It's a mutual thing. " They do. The Dom can say no or end the arrangement or scene just as easily and instantly as the sub. A sub only has the power to consent or to stop things. They don't have the power to direct what actually happens, if the Dom is any good! A sub may, for example, want a particular act but whether it happens is down to the Dom. Also, a sub, high on endorphins, may want more caning or whipping or whatever but if the Dom judges they've had enough, (which is a responsibility of a good Dom), they'll be told no. Anyone who says only the sub has power is wrong. As an example, one form of pubishment I use, for serious transgressions, is to refuse to give the sub attention or play. In that case the sub accepts it, for as long as I decide, or ends our association. They have no power beyond those options. | |||
"its human nature, everyones got a sadistic side to them. I have met a few men like this in my time, women are the same too of course. Some things seem wrong to me but then i can see why some people enjoy them. I prefer straight sex because thats all i need. Bukkake seems like fun and i watched a german film of it and liked it, be a pain cleaning up the mess though. I dont get why men like seeing a womans tits bound tight though, seems pointless. Watersports is pretty revolting in my opinion. I won't have anything to do with breast torture, I'm just not convinced of its safety in regards to links with breast cancer, and until I see some compelling evidence, it will be a total no from me on that one" Same here. | |||
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"Yeah, yeah, I know all about D/s. And I know all about that power play. Interesting that some of you immediately thought of it when degradation was mentioned. " You know all about D/s do you? OK In what way do you find it interesting? | |||
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"its human nature, everyones got a sadistic side to them. I have met a few men like this in my time, women are the same too of course. Some things seem wrong to me but then i can see why some people enjoy them. I prefer straight sex because thats all i need. Bukkake seems like fun and i watched a german film of it and liked it, be a pain cleaning up the mess though. I dont get why men like seeing a womans tits bound tight though, seems pointless. Watersports is pretty revolting in my opinion. Shibari and breast bondage is an artform. And they should never turn a funny colour , when practising some elements of bdsm it really is a good idea to understand what things can go wrong and educate yourself on anatomy etc " They go a funny colour when that a the aim | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " I love spanking name calling edging restraining dirty talk wax play rough play role play and a few other bdsm past times but I'm no sadomasochistic. You see the inflicting of pain doesn't turn me what turns me on about that dynamic is the fact it turns on the consenting sub I'm in that dynamic with. The reason I know I'm no sadomasochistic is because I once played with a sub who loved a lot of degradation especially a very hard caning she could orgasm from the hard cane play . But I had to end the arrangement because during play I was fine but afterwards during the cool down showering and washing of her I would suffer from a massive guilt trip over the state of her body after play . | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. I can only speak from my own perspective, for me, its the feeling of power, but, not in a traditional sense, before I embark on any kind of bdsm play with some one new, I like to have a lot of dialogue with her first, what her limits are, what she has tried before, what are absolute no no's and so on and so forth. It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits. This means I can seamlessly go through her fantasies without having to say "do you like that?" Or "is this OK?" Thus keeping the illusion of her relinquishing control, though in reality, I'm just doing what she wants me to do, imagine being with a guy who knows exactly how you want to be touched, and for how long, without having to teach him on the fly. Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true. I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves"
I used to be open on here about what I enjoy but I had that many wannabes thinkin I was just open game for "legal" rape that I keep stum now. xxx | |||
"its human nature, everyones got a sadistic side to them. I have met a few men like this in my time, women are the same too of course. Some things seem wrong to me but then i can see why some people enjoy them. I prefer straight sex because thats all i need. Bukkake seems like fun and i watched a german film of it and liked it, be a pain cleaning up the mess though. I dont get why men like seeing a womans tits bound tight though, seems pointless. Watersports is pretty revolting in my opinion. Shibari and breast bondage is an artform. And they should never turn a funny colour , when practising some elements of bdsm it really is a good idea to understand what things can go wrong and educate yourself on anatomy etc They go a funny colour when that a the aim "They should neve turn dark blue or purple | |||
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"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " I don't 'get' rimming. Why would you find it sexually arousing to put your tongue anywhere near where someone shits? #justsaying..... *Her* | |||
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"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I don't 'get' rimming. Why would you find it sexually arousing to put your tongue anywhere near where someone shits? #justsaying..... *Her* " | |||
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"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " None of the above appeal to me, they would not turn me on at all. XXX | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. " I wouldn't say they were fucked up to be honest, if it's consenting adults. We each have our preferences. XXX | |||
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"I give a wry smile when people say the submissive has the power. This is normally said by swingers where the submissive is a female and also on fab and in swinging women have power because they are in economic terms are rare resource. In a D/S relationship either can withdraw consent, a dom can refuse as well. So only in desperate fab land does the sub have power. Try telling a domme she has no power over her subs! If a sub has power it is not the usual D/s relationship. The sub cedes control that is what each party wants. The control should be within negotiated limits and the dom should act within both the spirit and the word of the negotition. If a sub tells me what in session what l should be doing l won't ignore her but l will end the session because you are topping from the bottom. I have 6 page checklist and you are going back on what was agreed. This could include wanting to be hit harder than agreed as you may be in a zone and not aware of what you are asking. The above is only my _iew as one thing l have learnt there is no one true way in kink. That includes the politically and feminist correct behavior. As long as its consensual and fully informed people can do strange sh@t to each other! There was a great picture of an arabic volleyball player in full kit and european volley ball player with near nothing on. It sums up how people _iew abuse and degradation because supporters of either woman would have thought the other has degrading kit imposed on her. "  so I'm a plastic submissive ? | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. I can only speak from my own perspective, for me, its the feeling of power, but, not in a traditional sense, before I embark on any kind of bdsm play with some one new, I like to have a lot of dialogue with her first, what her limits are, what she has tried before, what are absolute no no's and so on and so forth. It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits. This means I can seamlessly go through her fantasies without having to say "do you like that?" Or "is this OK?" Thus keeping the illusion of her relinquishing control, though in reality, I'm just doing what she wants me to do, imagine being with a guy who knows exactly how you want to be touched, and for how long, without having to teach him on the fly. Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true. I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves The submissive holds the control a lot can't understand this concept as they think the dom top master daddy etc does I can't help but chuckle when I hear people say that Dom's have all the power, we only hold the power we are allowed to have, so, we are a bunch of pussy whipped bitches really lol " | |||
"I give a wry smile when people say the submissive has the power. This is normally said by swingers where the submissive is a female and also on fab and in swinging women have power because they are in economic terms are rare resource. In a D/S relationship either can withdraw consent, a dom can refuse as well. So only in desperate fab land does the sub have power. Try telling a domme she has no power over her subs! If a sub has power it is not the usual D/s relationship. The sub cedes control that is what each party wants. The control should be within negotiated limits and the dom should act within both the spirit and the word of the negotition. If a sub tells me what in session what l should be doing l won't ignore her but l will end the session because you are topping from the bottom. I have 6 page checklist and you are going back on what was agreed. This could include wanting to be hit harder than agreed as you may be in a zone and not aware of what you are asking. The above is only my _iew as one thing l have learnt there is no one true way in kink. That includes the politically and feminist correct behavior. As long as its consensual and fully informed people can do strange sh@t to each other! There was a great picture of an arabic volleyball player in full kit and european volley ball player with near nothing on. It sums up how people _iew abuse and degradation because supporters of either woman would have thought the other has degrading kit imposed on her. so I'm a plastic submissive ? "I do not know, l presume you are submissive in your own way. There are no true doms and no true subs, people work out their own thing. | |||
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"I like feeling dominated. But only in bed and only if I know the guy is totally looking after me. Strikes me that is a power thing, and feeling powerful is an aphrodisiac. For me, it's a pretty nasty, unsophisticated way to get it. " It would be a nasty unsophisticated way to get it if done with someone who didn't want and enjoy whatever was being dished out. If however both parties are happy and getting what they want out of it then it's not really nasty at all. Except maybe to the judgemental onlooker... | |||
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"OP, threaded something similar a little while and got quite a lot of abuse, no pun intended. Personaly I think the Dom/Sub have to be careful that their predelictions don't give other parties potentially involved the wrong idea of what is acceptable. One woman's profile oh fab read that her Dom used to tie her down then go to the pub and bring men over to f**k her until sore then turn her over for anal sex again until sore. A thread read how a Dom used to take his wife in a collar and lead round to a flat full of his friends so they could "do what they wanted with her" and seem pleased that when he picked her up she was covered in cum. My "problem" with both the above is what message does it send to both groups of men involved, women are just there to be abused sexually?" Situations like this is what puts me off being a sub. I've lost an awful lot of trust over the years and I'm not atm in a position to trust another person to that extent. Xxx | |||
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"I don't understand the need to understand a kink that doesn't interest you. You never will understand it because even the people into it probably don't understand why it turns them on. "
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"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not? "What? You mean accepting and open minded?? Nah...it'll never catch on | |||
"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not? "Agree... but I find it really interesting what turns other people on. Learning about other people's likes may also improve my understanding and future fun. | |||
"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?
Agree... but I find it really interesting what turns other people on. Learning about other people's likes may also improve my understanding and future fun. "I do too ~ being on Fabs has been a right eye opener! Some kinks I thought originally were never in a million years ones are now hmmmm....never say never | |||
"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?
Agree... but I find it really interesting what turns other people on. Learning about other people's likes may also improve my understanding and future fun. "Yes but if you have to ask the question "how can you find it sexually exciting?" then chances are you aren't gonna want to try them apples. | |||
"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?
Agree... but I find it really interesting what turns other people on. Learning about other people's likes may also improve my understanding and future fun.
I do too ~ being on Fabs has been a right eye opener!
Some kinks I thought originally were never in a million years ones are now hmmmm....never say never "Eye opener...!! No kidding...
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"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?
Agree... but I find it really interesting what turns other people on. Learning about other people's likes may also improve my understanding and future fun.
Yes but if you have to ask the question "how can you find it sexually exciting?" then chances are you aren't gonna want to try them apples."I have, a few times. | |||
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"How about we just accept that other people may be interested in things others are not?
Agree... but I find it really interesting what turns other people on. Learning about other people's likes may also improve my understanding and future fun.
Yes but if you have to ask the question "how can you find it sexually exciting?" then chances are you aren't gonna want to try them apples.
I have, a few times. "I think there's my point.....there are very few things i think that about. And those that i do think "wtf?" I know for a fact i'm never gonna want to try. Everything else i'm open minded about. | |||
"I don't understand the need to understand a kink that doesn't interest you. You never will understand it because even the people into it probably don't understand why it turns them on.
I don't get any of it to be honest. "Apparently you have to be patient and make yourself stand out. | |||
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"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " not for me it hurts my moobs | |||
"OP, threaded something similar a little while and got quite a lot of abuse, no pun intended. Personaly I think the Dom/Sub have to be careful that their predelictions don't give other parties potentially involved the wrong idea of what is acceptable. One woman's profile oh fab read that her Dom used to tie her down then go to the pub and bring men over to f**k her until sore then turn her over for anal sex again until sore. A thread read how a Dom used to take his wife in a collar and lead round to a flat full of his friends so they could "do what they wanted with her" and seem pleased that when he picked her up she was covered in cum. My "problem" with both the above is what message does it send to both groups of men involved, women are just there to be abused sexually? Situations like this is what puts me off being a sub. I've lost an awful lot of trust over the years and I'm not atm in a position to trust another person to that extent. Xxx" I'm not a prude and would like to actually try the "situation" from both sides but ultimately I couldn't submit a lady to either of those two scenarios. | |||
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"OP, threaded something similar a little while and got quite a lot of abuse, no pun intended. Personaly I think the Dom/Sub have to be careful that their predelictions don't give other parties potentially involved the wrong idea of what is acceptable. One woman's profile oh fab read that her Dom used to tie her down then go to the pub and bring men over to f**k her until sore then turn her over for anal sex again until sore. A thread read how a Dom used to take his wife in a collar and lead round to a flat full of his friends so they could "do what they wanted with her" and seem pleased that when he picked her up she was covered in cum. My "problem" with both the above is what message does it send to both groups of men involved, women are just there to be abused sexually?" Your describing a owned sex slave its a small demographic of the bdsm scene a subculture of a subculture so to speak . The bdsm scene is very diverse and complicated lots of different kinks that cater to a while range sexual preferences . Each to their own is my motto trouble only starts when those of one kink try to play with those of another kink or lie about their true kink and only show the truth when its to late at that point the damage is done . Normally the damage is done to the sub ruining the subs passion and believe in the scene in the process . | |||
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"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " I dont understand either | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. " If it's bdsm then it's consensual. It's negotiated. There is an element of freedom in submission. A freedom from choices and worry and guilt. Humiliation is like therapy. You go to a councillor and tell them all the bad thoughts and then at the end of the session you get up and feel better. Humiliation is the same. You get pushed and ground down to as low a place as you can go in a safe environment. Then the scene is over and you are surrounded by love and hugs and kisses. You see what it's like to be dirt, and then you are raised back up. real life is better by comparison. The submissive also gets lots of attention and that's appealing to some too. I guess it's a roller coaster for emotions, feelings and perceptions From the other side, the dominant gets control. We get therapy too. get to be mean in a safe way and perhaps exorcise demons of our own. It's a form of meditation for me. You use all the tools you have (sensation, pain, humiliation, sexuality) to move a person's perception from one place to another. And after you get the deepening bond with your partner. It's beautiful | |||
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"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. If it's bdsm then it's consensual. It's negotiated. There is an element of freedom in submission. A freedom from choices and worry and guilt. Humiliation is like therapy. You go to a councillor and tell them all the bad thoughts and then at the end of the session you get up and feel better. Humiliation is the same. You get pushed and ground down to as low a place as you can go in a safe environment. Then the scene is over and you are surrounded by love and hugs and kisses. You see what it's like to be dirt, and then you are raised back up. real life is better by comparison. The submissive also gets lots of attention and that's appealing to some too. I guess it's a roller coaster for emotions, feelings and perceptions From the other side, the dominant gets control. We get therapy too. get to be mean in a safe way and perhaps exorcise demons of our own. It's a form of meditation for me. You use all the tools you have (sensation, pain, humiliation, sexuality) to move a person's perception from one place to another. And after you get the deepening bond with your partner. It's beautiful" That really makes sense, thank you. Best explanation I've read. | |||
""Fucked up, nasty & unsophisticated" ~ interesting choice of words when we all have sexual preferences that may also be _iewed that way." Completely agree.. it's fair enough to talk about others preferences to aid in your own learning but not to judge with such word choice. | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " There are lots of things I don't understand. I do understand consent though so provided there's consent between two adults then it's not for me to judge. If people enjoy something and it's not up my street then I don't do it. | |||
"There are lots of things I don't understand. I do understand consent though so provided there's consent between two adults then it's not for me to judge. If people enjoy something and it's not up my street then I don't do it. "Same goes for sexual orientation. If a dude likes to suck cock what difference does it make to me. I don't understand why he wants to do that but that doesn't make him any different to me. It also doesn't mean he wants to do it to me and even if he does, it doesn't mean I have to say yes. Random and irrelevant but I felt like sharing that. | |||
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"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. I haven't been abused. But a woman absolutely destroyed me once. It felt good "And this is why I enjoy it. | |||
"There are lots of things I don't understand. I do understand consent though so provided there's consent between two adults then it's not for me to judge. If people enjoy something and it's not up my street then I don't do it.
Same goes for sexual orientation. If a dude likes to suck cock what difference does it make to me. I don't understand why he wants to do that but that doesn't make him any different to me. It also doesn't mean he wants to do it to me and even if he does, it doesn't mean I have to say yes.
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"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " why is bukkake degrading... personally find it very empowering and don't find anything that you have mentioned abusive. | |||
"Nowt as queer as folk. Three years ago l became interested in rope. A few months later l accidentally saw my first 'dark rope play', I hated it l left the seminar part way through. I thought to myself - l had learnt rope to be sensual not to cause pain. Kink is this higher plane unsullied by sexual desire or abuse. In my early days l was like Icarus soaring above the cliches of leather clad whip abusers, men in black bruising hapless women who foolishly fell into their grasp. Connection is a funny thing, you can have all the principles you want but when women looks you straight in the eyes and says' do it again, but harder'. Your wings melt and you fall. You can connect in so many ways by doing so many things. For me it is not my reaction but my playmate's reaction. I am in control but l follow that pleasurable reaction and sometimes it leads you to some places where vanilla society would draw line because it is a dark place, but if you are two kindred dark souls you are connected. ," Can you elaborate please, I've never heard of dark rope play. | |||
"Its role play between consenting adults. Nothing wrong with that, some even like physical pain, not for me but whatever turns you on as long as its legal and between consention adullts." You can't blanket it by saying it is role play For many it is a complete lifestyle | |||
"Nowt as queer as folk. Three years ago l became interested in rope. A few months later l accidentally saw my first 'dark rope play', I hated it l left the seminar part way through. I thought to myself - l had learnt rope to be sensual not to cause pain. Kink is this higher plane unsullied by sexual desire or abuse. In my early days l was like Icarus soaring above the cliches of leather clad whip abusers, men in black bruising hapless women who foolishly fell into their grasp. Connection is a funny thing, you can have all the principles you want but when women looks you straight in the eyes and says' do it again, but harder'. Your wings melt and you fall. You can connect in so many ways by doing so many things. For me it is not my reaction but my playmate's reaction. I am in control but l follow that pleasurable reaction and sometimes it leads you to some places where vanilla society would draw line because it is a dark place, but if you are two kindred dark souls you are connected. , Can you elaborate please, I've never heard of dark rope play. " Dark rope play is my description for the non sensual painful or psychological play with rope where the model is deliberately and with consent made to feel vulnerable. At its simplest it is tying the model so that the rope is on the pressure points so when the rigger squeezes the rope or applies tension pain is induced, but the model is never sure when. Another method is incorporating breath play with rope but in a controlled manner. A common method of including vulnerability is where the model will be tied in a safe way but such that it seems unsafe in the mind. An example would be tied with either a chest harness or TK into a suspension point, one leg on the ground and one leg is tied up off the ground and the model is blindfolded, some incorporate a hair tie but the model feels vulnerable you can then incorporate other types of sensation play. I would add the partial suspension scenes are those I have seen as I am presently not qualified to carry out a partial or full suspension yet. To me dark rope does not necessarily involve pain (although for some it does) for me it is more the apprehension and getting the adrenaline going like a good horror movie rather than a slasher movie. | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. I can only speak from my own perspective, for me, its the feeling of power, but, not in a traditional sense, before I embark on any kind of bdsm play with some one new, I like to have a lot of dialogue with her first, what her limits are, what she has tried before, what are absolute no no's and so on and so forth. It is only after gaining this vital information that I can find a good starting point, and then start to push limits. This means I can seamlessly go through her fantasies without having to say "do you like that?" Or "is this OK?" Thus keeping the illusion of her relinquishing control, though in reality, I'm just doing what she wants me to do, imagine being with a guy who knows exactly how you want to be touched, and for how long, without having to teach him on the fly. Noiw my pleasure comes from knowing that I'm exciting her, and making all of her fantasies come true. I've said it so many times on here, if you think a Dom is all about his own gratification, you haven't met the right Dom, were servants to the gratification of others, were the slaves" | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. If it's bdsm then it's consensual. It's negotiated. There is an element of freedom in submission. A freedom from choices and worry and guilt. Humiliation is like therapy. You go to a councillor and tell them all the bad thoughts and then at the end of the session you get up and feel better. Humiliation is the same. You get pushed and ground down to as low a place as you can go in a safe environment. Then the scene is over and you are surrounded by love and hugs and kisses. You see what it's like to be dirt, and then you are raised back up. real life is better by comparison. The submissive also gets lots of attention and that's appealing to some too. I guess it's a roller coaster for emotions, feelings and perceptions From the other side, the dominant gets control. We get therapy too. get to be mean in a safe way and perhaps exorcise demons of our own. It's a form of meditation for me. You use all the tools you have (sensation, pain, humiliation, sexuality) to move a person's perception from one place to another. And after you get the deepening bond with your partner. It's beautiful That really makes sense, thank you. Best explanation I've read. " seconded | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane." It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. " | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. " That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. " Exactly anyone whom is going to even give bondage let alone breast bondage will be aware of the dangers, (ligament damage, nerve damage,to name a few even DEATH) if your that interested in the art of Shibari or suspension breath play etc you educate yourself !!!! FFS read up on BDSM,, it's not something that's learnt in a day you go the shop buy some rope and wrap breasts etc,, NO!!! | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. " Consensual play and degradation go hand in hand. What you consider to not be safe or sane does not automatically make it so for the rest of the world. These things can and have been done safely and sanely on a regular basis by those who know what they're doing, to those who know what they want. People have different fetishes. People have different limits. People have different likes and dislikes. | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. Exactly anyone whom is going to even give bondage let alone breast bondage will be aware of the dangers, (ligament damage, nerve damage,to name a few even DEATH) if your that interested in the art of Shibari or suspension breath play etc you educate yourself !!!! FFS read up on BDSM,, it's not something that's learnt in a day you go the shop buy some rope and wrap breasts etc,, NO!!! " I have no interest in either or learning about it. Once again i was just stating my opinion, which I am allowed, right. I still find it degrading and your statements and point of _iew or anyone elses will not change it. Although I respect your opinion I dont agree with it. | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. Consensual play and degradation go hand in hand. What you consider to not be safe or sane does not automatically make it so for the rest of the world. These things can and have been done safely and sanely on a regular basis by those who know what they're doing, to those who know what they want. People have different fetishes. People have different limits. People have different likes and dislikes." Errr I've just said that!! It's not a case of getting rope and turning the breasts purple, as with any rope work you need to know what your doing, how to un knot if something goes wrong, have a cutter or blade ready to cut incase etc, | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. Consensual play and degradation go hand in hand. What you consider to not be safe or sane does not automatically make it so for the rest of the world. These things can and have been done safely and sanely on a regular basis by those who know what they're doing, to those who know what they want. People have different fetishes. People have different limits. People have different likes and dislikes. Errr I've just said that!! It's not a case of getting rope and turning the breasts purple, as with any rope work you need to know what your doing, how to un knot if something goes wrong, have a cutter or blade ready to cut incase etc, " If your doing advance knot work you need to know how to untie from backwards forwards, you need to be in control. I am talking about serious rope work here and not just slip knots | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. Exactly anyone whom is going to even give bondage let alone breast bondage will be aware of the dangers, (ligament damage, nerve damage,to name a few even DEATH) if your that interested in the art of Shibari or suspension breath play etc you educate yourself !!!! FFS read up on BDSM,, it's not something that's learnt in a day you go the shop buy some rope and wrap breasts etc,, NO!!! I have no interest in either or learning about it. Once again i was just stating my opinion, which I am allowed, right. I still find it degrading and your statements and point of _iew or anyone elses will not change it. Although I respect your opinion I dont agree with it." Hey that's cool , | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. Consensual play and degradation go hand in hand. What you consider to not be safe or sane does not automatically make it so for the rest of the world. These things can and have been done safely and sanely on a regular basis by those who know what they're doing, to those who know what they want. People have different fetishes. People have different limits. People have different likes and dislikes. Errr I've just said that!! It's not a case of getting rope and turning the breasts purple, as with any rope work you need to know what your doing, how to un knot if something goes wrong, have a cutter or blade ready to cut incase etc, " Others have also said the same. I'm simply adding my own opinon to this discussion. | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. Consensual play and degradation go hand in hand. What you consider to not be safe or sane does not automatically make it so for the rest of the world. These things can and have been done safely and sanely on a regular basis by those who know what they're doing, to those who know what they want. People have different fetishes. People have different limits. People have different likes and dislikes. Errr I've just said that!! It's not a case of getting rope and turning the breasts purple, as with any rope work you need to know what your doing, how to un knot if something goes wrong, have a cutter or blade ready to cut incase etc, Others have also said the same. I'm simply adding my own opinon to this discussion." That's cool opinions are good. But doing rope work or breath play it's really not about opinions fortunately, it's about knowledge and understanding | |||
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"On the occasion I sub, use, abuse and humiliation has to be a part of it! " Your talking bollocks now mate , | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. Exactly anyone whom is going to even give bondage let alone breast bondage will be aware of the dangers, (ligament damage, nerve damage,to name a few even DEATH) if your that interested in the art of Shibari or suspension breath play etc you educate yourself !!!! FFS read up on BDSM,, it's not something that's learnt in a day you go the shop buy some rope and wrap breasts etc,, NO!!! " Respect works both ways.... or it should do.  | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. Exactly anyone whom is going to even give bondage let alone breast bondage will be aware of the dangers, (ligament damage, nerve damage,to name a few even DEATH) if your that interested in the art of Shibari or suspension breath play etc you educate yourself !!!! FFS read up on BDSM,, it's not something that's learnt in a day you go the shop buy some rope and wrap breasts etc,, NO!!! I have no interest in either or learning about it. Once again i was just stating my opinion, which I am allowed, right. I still find it degrading and your statements and point of _iew or anyone elses will not change it. Although I respect your opinion I dont agree with it." If a person has no interest in either or learning about a subject then although that person is entitled to their opinion rational and sensible people will ignore it as the opinion is not based on knowledge or interest in the subject. A person who gives an opinion on something they do not know about and have no interest in should expect robust challenge to their opinion. | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. Exactly anyone whom is going to even give bondage let alone breast bondage will be aware of the dangers, (ligament damage, nerve damage,to name a few even DEATH) if your that interested in the art of Shibari or suspension breath play etc you educate yourself !!!! FFS read up on BDSM,, it's not something that's learnt in a day you go the shop buy some rope and wrap breasts etc,, NO!!! I have no interest in either or learning about it. Once again i was just stating my opinion, which I am allowed, right. I still find it degrading and your statements and point of _iew or anyone elses will not change it. Although I respect your opinion I dont agree with it. If a person has no interest in either or learning about a subject then although that person is entitled to their opinion rational and sensible people will ignore it as the opinion is not based on knowledge or interest in the subject. A person who gives an opinion on something they do not know about and have no interest in should expect robust challenge to their opinion. " He is perfectly entitled to his opinion. People have misunderstood what he said. I have no desires around degrading women either. Is it just men that get slated for having opinions on here? | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? I am in no way OK with degrading women. To me that is disgusting and inhumane. It's only degrading if it's non consensual. For god sake educate yourself if it's sane safe consensual it's not ABUSE. That is my opinion. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Being consensual has nothing to do with being degrading. Leaving a womans breasts bound til they turn purple is not really safe or sane. To each their own though. Enjoy your night as i am not here to argue with you. Exactly anyone whom is going to even give bondage let alone breast bondage will be aware of the dangers, (ligament damage, nerve damage,to name a few even DEATH) if your that interested in the art of Shibari or suspension breath play etc you educate yourself !!!! FFS read up on BDSM,, it's not something that's learnt in a day you go the shop buy some rope and wrap breasts etc,, NO!!! " Why do you assume that? Do you not think some people will just have a go without researching and know nothing? I've tied people up,I've never researched. I've had my tits bound once by someone who fancied doing it. It didn't do anything for me and I didn't leave it on long,because I'm fairly intelligent and know things can go wrong. Someone else might enjoy it and leave it on. People do all kinds of things without research or joining the correct club. | |||
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"I'm afraid I'm the female perspective that loves it. Although not bukkake, but degradation, humiliation, control relinquishment, anything along those lines x" The key word that appeals to me if I was to try all this stuff is 'control'. I'd love to have a girl to control, and one that would let me do 'anything with/to her. All with trust and respect. I couldn't hurt a woman though, even if asked to. I can understand it from a woman's point of _iew who likes it, I'd like a woman to abuse me. even I feel a little odd, but someone on here promotes 'it's only kinky the first time!' Haha. | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " Wouldn't mind a Bukkake but binding tits oooo nooooo I'm a big wimp don't do anything that makes me cry or bruises me lol | |||
"I don't understand the appeal of bukkake, for instance, or gagging. Why is it such a turn on for guys seeing a woman's tits bound so tight, they're purple? Any form of degradation seems so abusive, how can it be sexually exciting? " Have you never sat on someones face and though, I like the ride here? Even if they were enjoying it? Or talked dirty to them, insulted, told them to do it harder or whatever. It's a bit like that. You get wet, you get turned on, you cum harder, maybe faster, it has a different angle for the moment, you enjoy it, you try new things and try something else as a result in the future. Otherwise, everything would be missionary. | |||
"Nowt as queer as folk. Three years ago l became interested in rope. A few months later l accidentally saw my first 'dark rope play', I hated it l left the seminar part way through. I thought to myself - l had learnt rope to be sensual not to cause pain. Kink is this higher plane unsullied by sexual desire or abuse. In my early days l was like Icarus soaring above the cliches of leather clad whip abusers, men in black bruising hapless women who foolishly fell into their grasp. Connection is a funny thing, you can have all the principles you want but when women looks you straight in the eyes and says' do it again, but harder'. Your wings melt and you fall. You can connect in so many ways by doing so many things. For me it is not my reaction but my playmate's reaction. I am in control but l follow that pleasurable reaction and sometimes it leads you to some places where vanilla society would draw line because it is a dark place, but if you are two kindred dark souls you are connected. , Can you elaborate please, I've never heard of dark rope play. Dark rope play is my description for the non sensual painful or psychological play with rope where the model is deliberately and with consent made to feel vulnerable. At its simplest it is tying the model so that the rope is on the pressure points so when the rigger squeezes the rope or applies tension pain is induced, but the model is never sure when. Another method is incorporating breath play with rope but in a controlled manner. A common method of including vulnerability is where the model will be tied in a safe way but such that it seems unsafe in the mind. An example would be tied with either a chest harness or TK into a suspension point, one leg on the ground and one leg is tied up off the ground and the model is blindfolded, some incorporate a hair tie but the model feels vulnerable you can then incorporate other types of sensation play. I would add the partial suspension scenes are those I have seen as I am presently not qualified to carry out a partial or full suspension yet. To me dark rope does not necessarily involve pain (although for some it does) for me it is more the apprehension and getting the adrenaline going like a good horror movie rather than a slasher movie." Ah!predicament bondage at its best | |||
"Yeah, I get it from some females perspective, but not sure how it turns on a guy to see a woman in that state, no matter how much she appears to enjoy it. If the tables were turned, I'd hate to see a guy abused. Even if it made him cum over and over. Itd just make me think they must be really fucked up. There's a huge difference between 'abused' and consensual elements of BDSM. I've been a victim of domestic violence that's abuse. However I'm submissive and enjoy bdsm sub space is amazing place to be in aftercare is imperative. But it's not ABUSE x" | |||
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"Its mostly smoke and mirrors any way, a construct of visual, emotional and physical stimuli, that tricks the mind into believing that what is happening is real, its kind of like wrestling, if that makes any sense" I like that. | |||
