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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Hundreds of trains have been cancelled in a row over plans for drivers, not conductors, to operate carriage doors, will the strike affect you and what do you think of it? They are losing the confidence of the passengers. |
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I'm with the unions on this one. It's not as if ticket prices will go down if southern get their way, they will simply grab more profit at the expense of jobs. It's best to have two people in charge on a train, driver and conductor, I think. |
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over a year ago
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For the simple reason that if the train drive becomes a casualty I want someone who knows what they are doing on the train.
Even if it is to put flares on the track to stop one smashing into the carriage.
With the unions on this. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Both sides need to give their heads a wobble. I would rather travel on a train with a guard though."
its all being led by the dpet of transport and the railregulator southern have it in thier franchise that they MUST instigate this practice they win this one then it can be rolled out nationwide de skilling the role of the guard/conductor leading to lower wages etc next will be attacks on levels of staffing at stations ticket offices etc leaving you the passenger in the hands of an unskilled demotivated worker good luck with that
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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I am all for unions but a 5 day walk out is taking the piss
The managers have to stay strong and not give in.....unions that take the Piss loose public backing
The transport union need to wake up and smell the coffee |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"I am all for unions but a 5 day walk out is taking the piss
The managers have to stay strong and not give in.....unions that take the Piss loose public backing
The transport union need to wake up and smell the coffee "
why are the unions taking the piss ? they are doing what they are created for looking after the welfare wages and rights of the workers who pay thier subs . in this case the union are bang on this is a govt led attack through the dept of transport and the rail regulator on workers rights and conditions it is an attempt to de skill an important safety position so that cheaper less skilled people can be brought in nation wide . your saftey is bieng put at risk in the event of of an incedent or accident on your train home would you much rather have a fully trained gurd/conduter fully conversant with the rules regs andsaftey sytems and instruction or poorly paid untrained teenager who hasnt got a clue . be carefull what you wish for
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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"I am all for unions but a 5 day walk out is taking the piss
The managers have to stay strong and not give in.....unions that take the Piss loose public backing
The transport union need to wake up and smell the coffee why are the unions taking the piss ? they are doing what they are created for looking after the welfare wages and rights of the workers who pay thier subs . in this case the union are bang on this is a govt led attack through the dept of transport and the rail regulator on workers rights and conditions it is an attempt to de skill an important safety position so that cheaper less skilled people can be brought in nation wide . your saftey is bieng put at risk in the event of of an incedent or accident on your train home would you much rather have a fully trained gurd/conduter fully conversant with the rules regs andsaftey sytems and instruction or poorly paid untrained teenager who hasnt got a clue . be carefull what you wish for
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The unions do not give a shit about people trying to get work - the London transport have been taking the piss for years. If it had been a 1 or 2 day walkout I may have been less reactive - there is no need for a 5 day walkout all it does is gets people's backs up against the unions. As a union person myself I want workers rights but you have to play the game - transport unions live in the 80s. I must admit since Bob crow passed away it has
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By (user no longer on site)
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Trade unions are just obsolete luddites. In the mdoern era, all they ever do is hold back progress until the company goes bankrupt and gets new management who won't pander to them.
Everyone complains about the price of rail travel and then resists any changes to the operating model. Personally I can't wait for driverless trains to shove another nail in their selfish coffin. |
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"Trade unions are just obsolete luddites. In the mdoern era, all they ever do is hold back progress until the company goes bankrupt and gets new management who won't pander to them.
Everyone complains about the price of rail travel and then resists any changes to the operating model. Personally I can't wait for driverless trains to shove another nail in their selfish coffin. "
When the changes to the operating model are about reducing the safety standards for the staff and the 'service user's' then something has to be done..
its not being a luddite to not wish to work in a less safe environment..
and in every industry where labour is unionised there has been massive change/modernisation and reforms over the last couple of decades..
most have gone through and folks have gotten on with it, including those you disparage..
the issue in question is a valid concern by those with the shop floor experience within that industry.. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Trade unions are just obsolete luddites. In the mdoern era, all they ever do is hold back progress until the company goes bankrupt and gets new management who won't pander to them.
Everyone complains about the price of rail travel and then resists any changes to the operating model. Personally I can't wait for driverless trains to shove another nail in their selfish coffin. "
and when your traveling along on your still expensive driver less train and there is an incident or accident and the only person you have to help you is an under trained trolly dolly whats the first thing you are going to say ?whos going to protect the train whos going to help evacuate you safley and orderly in to a safe place where you arent in any more danger ? whos going to summon the emergency services to the correct location ? the trolly dolly no chance her first job will be to protect revenue then herslf your the passenger will be a long way down her list as its all about money . but as i say be carefull what you wish for |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Trade unions are just obsolete luddites. In the mdoern era, all they ever do is hold back progress until the company goes bankrupt and gets new management who won't pander to them.
Everyone complains about the price of rail travel and then resists any changes to the operating model. Personally I can't wait for driverless trains to shove another nail in their selfish coffin.
When the changes to the operating model are about reducing the safety standards for the staff and the 'service user's' then something has to be done..
its not being a luddite to not wish to work in a less safe environment..
and in every industry where labour is unionised there has been massive change/modernisation and reforms over the last couple of decades..
most have gone through and folks have gotten on with it, including those you disparage..
the issue in question is a valid concern by those with the shop floor experience within that industry.. "
Funny how trade unions are only interested in safety when it means keeping more jobs and they never seem interested in the technology that could improve safety if it meant letting a job go. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Trade unions are just obsolete luddites. In the mdoern era, all they ever do is hold back progress until the company goes bankrupt and gets new management who won't pander to them.
Everyone complains about the price of rail travel and then resists any changes to the operating model. Personally I can't wait for driverless trains to shove another nail in their selfish coffin. and when your traveling along on your still expensive driver less train and there is an incident or accident and the only person you have to help you is an under trained trolly dolly whats the first thing you are going to say ?whos going to protect the train whos going to help evacuate you safley and orderly in to a safe place where you arent in any more danger ? whos going to summon the emergency services to the correct location ? the trolly dolly no chance her first job will be to protect revenue then herslf your the passenger will be a long way down her list as its all about money . but as i say be carefull what you wish for "
It's not a problem we have on the DLR so I believe that's called a false dichotomy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm with the unions on this one. It's not as if ticket prices will go down if southern get their way, they will simply grab more profit at the expense of jobs. It's best to have two people in charge on a train, driver and conductor, I think. "
better in a heath n safety way too  |
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"Trade unions are just obsolete luddites. In the mdoern era, all they ever do is hold back progress until the company goes bankrupt and gets new management who won't pander to them.
Everyone complains about the price of rail travel and then resists any changes to the operating model. Personally I can't wait for driverless trains to shove another nail in their selfish coffin.
When the changes to the operating model are about reducing the safety standards for the staff and the 'service user's' then something has to be done..
its not being a luddite to not wish to work in a less safe environment..
and in every industry where labour is unionised there has been massive change/modernisation and reforms over the last couple of decades..
most have gone through and folks have gotten on with it, including those you disparage..
the issue in question is a valid concern by those with the shop floor experience within that industry..
Funny how trade unions are only interested in safety when it means keeping more jobs and they never seem interested in the technology that could improve safety if it meant letting a job go. "
As with the CEO's focus on increased profits however they are achieved part of a TU's remit to its members is to protect jobs yes, I don't have an issue with that..
the days of bad old Fleet street and British Leyland etc with some of the piss taking that went on therein is not one I ever agreed with, Unions have with management worked together whenever downsizing or salaries need to be reduced to keep a business viable..
maybe if some adjusted their attitudes on all sides we could get to the model that seems to be doing pretty well in Germany where the Union is not seen as the enemy..
maybe its because some in this country still only ever see the workers within whatever industry as something to be exploited to the nth degree and allowed to work in conditions they wouldn't let their own step into..
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"Trade unions are just obsolete luddites. In the mdoern era, all they ever do is hold back progress until the company goes bankrupt and gets new management who won't pander to them.
Everyone complains about the price of rail travel and then resists any changes to the operating model. Personally I can't wait for driverless trains to shove another nail in their selfish coffin.
When the changes to the operating model are about reducing the safety standards for the staff and the 'service user's' then something has to be done..
its not being a luddite to not wish to work in a less safe environment..
and in every industry where labour is unionised there has been massive change/modernisation and reforms over the last couple of decades..
most have gone through and folks have gotten on with it, including those you disparage..
the issue in question is a valid concern by those with the shop floor experience within that industry..
Funny how trade unions are only interested in safety when it means keeping more jobs and they never seem interested in the technology that could improve safety if it meant letting a job go. "
And Unions are certainly not only ever interested in safety when it concerns jobs, that's a naïve thing to say..
thousands of workplace reps across the country are doing safety now and will be tomorrow, most issues get resolved as its good practise..
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Trade unions are just obsolete luddites. In the mdoern era, all they ever do is hold back progress until the company goes bankrupt and gets new management who won't pander to them.
Everyone complains about the price of rail travel and then resists any changes to the operating model. Personally I can't wait for driverless trains to shove another nail in their selfish coffin. and when your traveling along on your still expensive driver less train and there is an incident or accident and the only person you have to help you is an under trained trolly dolly whats the first thing you are going to say ?whos going to protect the train whos going to help evacuate you safley and orderly in to a safe place where you arent in any more danger ? whos going to summon the emergency services to the correct location ? the trolly dolly no chance her first job will be to protect revenue then herslf your the passenger will be a long way down her list as its all about money . but as i say be carefull what you wish for
It's not a problem we have on the DLR so I believe that's called a false dichotomy."
The DLR is in comparison a train set in terms of track and rolling stock. it simply does not compare to the Rail Network's aging infrastructure and size. You need someone in place on the railway to get onto the track pronto and deploy the safety gear when there is an incident. With the DLR you can do that with a switch and as its in the urban area help can come from everywhere.
Until the time Billions and Billions is invested they will never be the same. Driverless trains won't happen for a long time in this country. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Trade unions are just obsolete luddites. In the mdoern era, all they ever do is hold back progress until the company goes bankrupt and gets new management who won't pander to them.
Everyone complains about the price of rail travel and then resists any changes to the operating model. Personally I can't wait for driverless trains to shove another nail in their selfish coffin.
When the changes to the operating model are about reducing the safety standards for the staff and the 'service user's' then something has to be done..
its not being a luddite to not wish to work in a less safe environment..
and in every industry where labour is unionised there has been massive change/modernisation and reforms over the last couple of decades..
most have gone through and folks have gotten on with it, including those you disparage..
the issue in question is a valid concern by those with the shop floor experience within that industry..
Funny how trade unions are only interested in safety when it means keeping more jobs and they never seem interested in the technology that could improve safety if it meant letting a job go.
As with the CEO's focus on increased profits however they are achieved part of a TU's remit to its members is to protect jobs yes, I don't have an issue with that..
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But if there are no profits then there won't be any jobs. Whilst jobs alone are not sufficient to create profit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Wonder how many people on here who jobs have been lost walked out the door agreeing it was the right decision and wish the company all the best in the future with less staff and more profit.
How many people on here that moan about workers going on strike will help pay their bills when when the strikers have lost their jobs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Trade unions are just obsolete luddites. In the mdoern era, all they ever do is hold back progress until the company goes bankrupt and gets new management who won't pander to them.
Everyone complains about the price of rail travel and then resists any changes to the operating model. Personally I can't wait for driverless trains to shove another nail in their selfish coffin.
When the changes to the operating model are about reducing the safety standards for the staff and the 'service user's' then something has to be done..
its not being a luddite to not wish to work in a less safe environment..
and in every industry where labour is unionised there has been massive change/modernisation and reforms over the last couple of decades..
most have gone through and folks have gotten on with it, including those you disparage..
the issue in question is a valid concern by those with the shop floor experience within that industry..
Funny how trade unions are only interested in safety when it means keeping more jobs and they never seem interested in the technology that could improve safety if it meant letting a job go.
And Unions are certainly not only ever interested in safety when it concerns jobs, that's a naïve thing to say..
thousands of workplace reps across the country are doing safety now and will be tomorrow, most issues get resolved as its good practise..
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So can you give me two examples of technologies they campaigned to bring in but resulted in more than a hundred job losses for their membership? |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"completely with the unions on this one..all the bosses care about is their profit margins"
any body that thinks that doing away with guadrs in this case or drivers in the long term would make rail travel in this country any cheaper is a fool . govia is a french state owned company that runs trains thoughout europe funny how they get cheap efficient rail transport whilst out fares and subsidy have increased ? thats bacuase any profit is being syphoned off to sunsidise rail services in there home country so we the great british traveler and the the great british tax payer are subsidisng johhny french mans cheap commute in to paris . any saving made through the de skilling and eventual removal of guards and drivers will be passed on to continue to subsidise french rail travel
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wonder how many people on here who jobs have been lost walked out the door agreeing it was the right decision and wish the company all the best in the future with less staff and more profit.
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It's not pleasant to lose a job by any means. But anyone who still expects a job for life in this day and age is naïve to the core. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wonder how many people on here who jobs have been lost walked out the door agreeing it was the right decision and wish the company all the best in the future with less staff and more profit.
It's not pleasant to lose a job by any means. But anyone who still expects a job for life in this day and age is naïve to the core."
I agree , so what's wrong with fighting for the job you have. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am all for unions but a 5 day walk out is taking the piss
The managers have to stay strong and not give in.....unions that take the Piss loose public backing
The transport union need to wake up and smell the coffee why are the unions taking the piss ? they are doing what they are created for looking after the welfare wages and rights of the workers who pay thier subs . in this case the union are bang on this is a govt led attack through the dept of transport and the rail regulator on workers rights and conditions it is an attempt to de skill an important safety position so that cheaper less skilled people can be brought in nation wide . your saftey is bieng put at risk in the event of of an incedent or accident on your train home would you much rather have a fully trained gurd/conduter fully conversant with the rules regs andsaftey sytems and instruction or poorly paid untrained teenager who hasnt got a clue . be carefull what you wish for
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I agree that the unions are trying to protect their members.
But a government led attack my arse.
40% of trains in Britain already only have a driver and no conductor.
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"Trade unions are just obsolete luddites. In the mdoern era, all they ever do is hold back progress until the company goes bankrupt and gets new management who won't pander to them.
Everyone complains about the price of rail travel and then resists any changes to the operating model. Personally I can't wait for driverless trains to shove another nail in their selfish coffin.
When the changes to the operating model are about reducing the safety standards for the staff and the 'service user's' then something has to be done..
its not being a luddite to not wish to work in a less safe environment..
and in every industry where labour is unionised there has been massive change/modernisation and reforms over the last couple of decades..
most have gone through and folks have gotten on with it, including those you disparage..
the issue in question is a valid concern by those with the shop floor experience within that industry..
Funny how trade unions are only interested in safety when it means keeping more jobs and they never seem interested in the technology that could improve safety if it meant letting a job go.
And Unions are certainly not only ever interested in safety when it concerns jobs, that's a naïve thing to say..
thousands of workplace reps across the country are doing safety now and will be tomorrow, most issues get resolved as its good practise..
So can you give me two examples of technologies they campaigned to bring in but resulted in more than a hundred job losses for their membership? "
whom and in what industry?
my own experience was in an industry where safe working and a better service to the public was and still is under attack constantly.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"completely with the unions on this one..all the bosses care about is their profit margins"
Would it not be the case that if their profit margins were higher then there would be room for ticket prices to be lower?
It is a difficult one, this, as the RMT constantly refer to safety and efficiency, whereas the railway operators also refer to safety and efficiency.
The operator was willing to make concessions (such as no reduction in the current number of guards) but the RMT were not willing to accept that. I don't know but it may be that the "guards" would have been reclassified as ticket inspectors and thus downgraded in terms of pay?
By the way, Driver Only Operated trains are common in England and Wales (30% of services in England and Wales - and even more common in Scotland). I am no expert but it does make me wonder about the safety argument. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wonder how many people on here who jobs have been lost walked out the door agreeing it was the right decision and wish the company all the best in the future with less staff and more profit.
It's not pleasant to lose a job by any means. But anyone who still expects a job for life in this day and age is naïve to the core.
I agree , so what's wrong with fighting for the job you have. "
It's futile basically. The best you can hope for is to postpone the redundancy to a later date. Why would you want to work for someone that is explicitly telling you that they don't think you are important? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Trade unions are just obsolete luddites. In the mdoern era, all they ever do is hold back progress until the company goes bankrupt and gets new management who won't pander to them.
Everyone complains about the price of rail travel and then resists any changes to the operating model. Personally I can't wait for driverless trains to shove another nail in their selfish coffin.
When the changes to the operating model are about reducing the safety standards for the staff and the 'service user's' then something has to be done..
its not being a luddite to not wish to work in a less safe environment..
and in every industry where labour is unionised there has been massive change/modernisation and reforms over the last couple of decades..
most have gone through and folks have gotten on with it, including those you disparage..
the issue in question is a valid concern by those with the shop floor experience within that industry..
Funny how trade unions are only interested in safety when it means keeping more jobs and they never seem interested in the technology that could improve safety if it meant letting a job go.
And Unions are certainly not only ever interested in safety when it concerns jobs, that's a naïve thing to say..
thousands of workplace reps across the country are doing safety now and will be tomorrow, most issues get resolved as its good practise..
So can you give me two examples of technologies they campaigned to bring in but resulted in more than a hundred job losses for their membership?
whom and in what industry?
my own experience was in an industry where safe working and a better service to the public was and still is under attack constantly.."
Well I was thinking of the rail industry and the RMT specifically.
If you take the BMA, when they went on strike it was the first time in 40 years and so it really meant something and as a member of the public that knows nothing much about healthcare - I thought "hmmm there must be a good reason for that".
But the RMT are constantly on strike and often shutting down London over their spats, I lost all respect for them when they threatened to do it at the Olympics. |
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On my train line from Southend into London Liverpool Street, all trains are driver only and the train doors are controlled by the driver. When the train is due to move off, the driver checks the platform using CCTV and also by using the good old fashioned 'sticking head out of window' method to have a proper look down the length of the train. Then he will close and lock the doors by controls in his cab.
This practice has been going on for years and years without almost no incidents.
Abellio Greater Anglia, who have the franchise, have the driver only trains on other lines as well and as far as I know there isn't much of a problem with any of them.
The strike is unnecessary and is simply the dinosaur unions causing unwanted and needless problems for the thousands of people who just want to get to work but can't.
I travelled from London Waterloo to Portsmouth earlier this year by train and didn't see the train guard at all apart from when he was stood by the train door just prior to departure from Waterloo. Did he do anything to contribute to passenger welfare or safety? Not that I could see.
I'm sure that if the guards are removed from the trains, that they could be re-trained for other jobs within the franchise and quite possibly earn even more than they do now. |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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"Wonder how many people on here who jobs have been lost walked out the door agreeing it was the right decision and wish the company all the best in the future with less staff and more profit.
It's not pleasant to lose a job by any means. But anyone who still expects a job for life in this day and age is naïve to the core.
I agree , so what's wrong with fighting for the job you have. "
Well the guards on the virgin west cost hardly check tickets or sort out issues so I would like to know what they do.....
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By (user no longer on site)
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Fun fact, according to the World Economic Forum Britain's Railways are the most expensive in Europe (measured as a % of income) and suffer some of the worst delays, over 10% of trains delayed.
The UK rails rank miserably behind France, Germany, China, South Korea, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Netherlands, Singapore, Spain, Switzerland and the US.
But yeah let's not change anything. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"French trains have conductors. "
Good for them. I'd just like a service of comparable cost and quality really. Not too bothered how it's achieved but I don't hear RMT being full of great ideas. |
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The railways have been left to rot for decades due to the cost of re-newing everything. We actually run a fantastic service with probably a lot more trains then most cities around Europe.
Government cuts will obviously hold back works that's going on but the rare time I use trains I'm quite impressed with the new railways these days. ( I don't work for the railway BTW)
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"The railways have been left to rot for decades due to the cost of re-newing everything. We actually run a fantastic service with probably a lot more trains then most cities around Europe.
Government cuts will obviously hold back works that's going on but the rare time I use trains I'm quite impressed with the new railways these days. ( I don't work for the railway BTW)
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Well me and the world economic forum disagree with you that it's an excellent service. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"French trains have conductors.
Good for them. I'd just like a service of comparable cost and quality really. Not too bothered how it's achieved but I don't hear RMT being full of great ideas. "
and as you have already been told govia who operate the southern franchise are the self same company that run the french railways these are subsidised from the profits they make in this country from high railfares and and large tax payer funded subsidys something that the RMT ASLEF and TSSA have opposed since franchising was brought in dont blame the union they have been fighting but only hitting deaf ears untill this crazy system is removed the situation will remain the same no matter how far back you cut the staff any savings go to the parent company and are not passed down to you the customer .none so blind as those that will not see |
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"French trains have conductors.
Good for them. I'd just like a service of comparable cost and quality really. Not too bothered how it's achieved but I don't hear RMT being full of great ideas. and as you have already been told govia who operate the southern franchise are the self same company that run the french railways these are subsidised from the profits they make in this country from high railfares and and large tax payer funded subsidys something that the RMT ASLEF and TSSA have opposed since franchising was brought in dont blame the union they have been fighting but only hitting deaf ears untill this crazy system is removed the situation will remain the same no matter how far back you cut the staff any savings go to the parent company and are not passed down to you the customer .none so blind as those that will not see "
Givia is owned by go ahead group is it not? What net profit margin are you supposing Givia make that enables such a massive transfer of wealth to account for such a vast difference in service? |
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I think they should reinstate thomas the tank engine and his friends. At least if the engine is self aware, it frees up the driver to do other duties. Obviously the do have the occasional hiccup, engines racing eachother and such, but on the whole i think it works. |
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"The railways have been left to rot for decades due to the cost of re-newing everything. We actually run a fantastic service with probably a lot more trains then most cities around Europe.
Government cuts will obviously hold back works that's going on but the rare time I use trains I'm quite impressed with the new railways these days. ( I don't work for the railway BTW)
Well me and the world economic forum disagree with you that it's an excellent service. "
I looked at the London terminal I was in on Saturday and there were trains every half hour to towns half an hour from me I've never heard of. Trains every 15-20 to Kent. Yes I'm sure there are delays but do you and the world economic forum look in to why any of these trains were delayed or do you just pull a stat out of the bag and use it. |
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"I think they should reinstate thomas the tank engine and his friends. At least if the engine is self aware, it frees up the driver to do other duties. Obviously the do have the occasional hiccup, engines racing eachother and such, but on the whole i think it works."
And, as an added bonus, there are fire dragons nesting in the engines. You can't get cooler (or hotter) than that. |
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"I think they should reinstate thomas the tank engine and his friends. At least if the engine is self aware, it frees up the driver to do other duties. Obviously the do have the occasional hiccup, engines racing eachother and such, but on the whole i think it works."
At least thats a railway that makes you smile  |
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"The railways have been left to rot for decades due to the cost of re-newing everything. We actually run a fantastic service with probably a lot more trains then most cities around Europe.
Government cuts will obviously hold back works that's going on but the rare time I use trains I'm quite impressed with the new railways these days. ( I don't work for the railway BTW)
Well me and the world economic forum disagree with you that it's an excellent service.
I looked at the London terminal I was in on Saturday and there were trains every half hour to towns half an hour from me I've never heard of. Trains every 15-20 to Kent. Yes I'm sure there are delays but do you and the world economic forum look in to why any of these trains were delayed or do you just pull a stat out of the bag and use it. "
Ah, a Londoner.
Ever tried a 5pm train (or even a 4pm train) from Waterloo to the South Coast? It is
1. Bloody expensive
2. Over full by the time it leaves Waterloo
3. Even fuller (like, you can't even get down the aisle for bodies) if it stops at Clapham, Woking or Basingstoke.
Oh, I can't complain at the frequency of the service, or the speed of the journey.
However, if I am paying £80 for a return, I don't expect to be treated to worse conditions than are permitted for cattle being transported to market.
There are EU regulations governing cattle ... but not UK rail passengers. |
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"The railways have been left to rot for decades due to the cost of re-newing everything. We actually run a fantastic service with probably a lot more trains then most cities around Europe.
Government cuts will obviously hold back works that's going on but the rare time I use trains I'm quite impressed with the new railways these days. ( I don't work for the railway BTW)
Well me and the world economic forum disagree with you that it's an excellent service.
I looked at the London terminal I was in on Saturday and there were trains every half hour to towns half an hour from me I've never heard of. Trains every 15-20 to Kent. Yes I'm sure there are delays but do you and the world economic forum look in to why any of these trains were delayed or do you just pull a stat out of the bag and use it.
Ah, a Londoner.
Ever tried a 5pm train (or even a 4pm train) from Waterloo to the South Coast? It is
1. Bloody expensive
2. Over full by the time it leaves Waterloo
3. Even fuller (like, you can't even get down the aisle for bodies) if it stops at Clapham, Woking or Basingstoke.
Oh, I can't complain at the frequency of the service, or the speed of the journey.
However, if I am paying £80 for a return, I don't expect to be treated to worse conditions than are permitted for cattle being transported to market.
There are EU regulations governing cattle ... but not UK rail passengers."
And the temperatures on the trains last month would have been illegal for cattle! We just had to sweat it out |
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"The railways have been left to rot for decades due to the cost of re-newing everything. We actually run a fantastic service with probably a lot more trains then most cities around Europe.
Government cuts will obviously hold back works that's going on but the rare time I use trains I'm quite impressed with the new railways these days. ( I don't work for the railway BTW)
Well me and the world economic forum disagree with you that it's an excellent service.
I looked at the London terminal I was in on Saturday and there were trains every half hour to towns half an hour from me I've never heard of. Trains every 15-20 to Kent. Yes I'm sure there are delays but do you and the world economic forum look in to why any of these trains were delayed or do you just pull a stat out of the bag and use it.
Ah, a Londoner.
Ever tried a 5pm train (or even a 4pm train) from Waterloo to the South Coast? It is
1. Bloody expensive
2. Over full by the time it leaves Waterloo
3. Even fuller (like, you can't even get down the aisle for bodies) if it stops at Clapham, Woking or Basingstoke.
Oh, I can't complain at the frequency of the service, or the speed of the journey.
However, if I am paying £80 for a return, I don't expect to be treated to worse conditions than are permitted for cattle being transported to market.
There are EU regulations governing cattle ... but not UK rail passengers."
More trains will make journeys slower. Unfortunately the rush hour can't really be staggered. |
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"The railways have been left to rot for decades due to the cost of re-newing everything. We actually run a fantastic service with probably a lot more trains then most cities around Europe.
Government cuts will obviously hold back works that's going on but the rare time I use trains I'm quite impressed with the new railways these days. ( I don't work for the railway BTW)
Well me and the world economic forum disagree with you that it's an excellent service.
I looked at the London terminal I was in on Saturday and there were trains every half hour to towns half an hour from me I've never heard of. Trains every 15-20 to Kent. Yes I'm sure there are delays but do you and the world economic forum look in to why any of these trains were delayed or do you just pull a stat out of the bag and use it.
Ah, a Londoner.
Ever tried a 5pm train (or even a 4pm train) from Waterloo to the South Coast? It is
1. Bloody expensive
2. Over full by the time it leaves Waterloo
3. Even fuller (like, you can't even get down the aisle for bodies) if it stops at Clapham, Woking or Basingstoke.
Oh, I can't complain at the frequency of the service, or the speed of the journey.
However, if I am paying £80 for a return, I don't expect to be treated to worse conditions than are permitted for cattle being transported to market.
There are EU regulations governing cattle ... but not UK rail passengers.
And the temperatures on the trains last month would have been illegal for cattle! We just had to sweat it out "
Quite. I have the greatest sympathy for unions. On the whole, they do a great job.
But perhaps they should be a bit more vocal in these sorts of situations for the consumer, too?
By the way, have you ever sat on a Virgin train within 30 feet of the toilet cubicle? Ugh. |
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"The railways have been left to rot for decades due to the cost of re-newing everything. We actually run a fantastic service with probably a lot more trains then most cities around Europe.
Government cuts will obviously hold back works that's going on but the rare time I use trains I'm quite impressed with the new railways these days. ( I don't work for the railway BTW)
Well me and the world economic forum disagree with you that it's an excellent service.
I looked at the London terminal I was in on Saturday and there were trains every half hour to towns half an hour from me I've never heard of. Trains every 15-20 to Kent. Yes I'm sure there are delays but do you and the world economic forum look in to why any of these trains were delayed or do you just pull a stat out of the bag and use it.
Ah, a Londoner.
Ever tried a 5pm train (or even a 4pm train) from Waterloo to the South Coast? It is
1. Bloody expensive
2. Over full by the time it leaves Waterloo
3. Even fuller (like, you can't even get down the aisle for bodies) if it stops at Clapham, Woking or Basingstoke.
Oh, I can't complain at the frequency of the service, or the speed of the journey.
However, if I am paying £80 for a return, I don't expect to be treated to worse conditions than are permitted for cattle being transported to market.
There are EU regulations governing cattle ... but not UK rail passengers.
More trains will make journeys "
Not if you have the right signalling system |
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"The railways have been left to rot for decades due to the cost of re-newing everything. We actually run a fantastic service with probably a lot more trains then most cities around Europe.
Government cuts will obviously hold back works that's going on but the rare time I use trains I'm quite impressed with the new railways these days. ( I don't work for the railway BTW)
Well me and the world economic forum disagree with you that it's an excellent service.
I looked at the London terminal I was in on Saturday and there were trains every half hour to towns half an hour from me I've never heard of. Trains every 15-20 to Kent. Yes I'm sure there are delays but do you and the world economic forum look in to why any of these trains were delayed or do you just pull a stat out of the bag and use it.
Ah, a Londoner.
Ever tried a 5pm train (or even a 4pm train) from Waterloo to the South Coast? It is
1. Bloody expensive
2. Over full by the time it leaves Waterloo
3. Even fuller (like, you can't even get down the aisle for bodies) if it stops at Clapham, Woking or Basingstoke.
Oh, I can't complain at the frequency of the service, or the speed of the journey.
However, if I am paying £80 for a return, I don't expect to be treated to worse conditions than are permitted for cattle being transported to market.
There are EU regulations governing cattle ... but not UK rail passengers.
More trains will make journeys
Not if you have the right signalling system "
That's costing millions. Also on a busy line the more trains slows up the signals. You still need the same distance to change from red to green. |
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"The railways have been left to rot for decades due to the cost of re-newing everything. We actually run a fantastic service with probably a lot more trains then most cities around Europe.
Government cuts will obviously hold back works that's going on but the rare time I use trains I'm quite impressed with the new railways these days. ( I don't work for the railway BTW)
Well me and the world economic forum disagree with you that it's an excellent service.
I looked at the London terminal I was in on Saturday and there were trains every half hour to towns half an hour from me I've never heard of. Trains every 15-20 to Kent. Yes I'm sure there are delays but do you and the world economic forum look in to why any of these trains were delayed or do you just pull a stat out of the bag and use it.
Ah, a Londoner.
Ever tried a 5pm train (or even a 4pm train) from Waterloo to the South Coast? It is
1. Bloody expensive
2. Over full by the time it leaves Waterloo
3. Even fuller (like, you can't even get down the aisle for bodies) if it stops at Clapham, Woking or Basingstoke.
Oh, I can't complain at the frequency of the service, or the speed of the journey.
However, if I am paying £80 for a return, I don't expect to be treated to worse conditions than are permitted for cattle being transported to market.
There are EU regulations governing cattle ... but not UK rail passengers.
More trains will make journeys
Not if you have the right signalling system
That's costing millions. Also on a busy line the more trains slows up the signals. You still need the same distance to change from red to green. "
I would like a reliable train (that does not smell of toilet) where I can be pretty sure I will be able to find a seat.
I can't find one here so I think someone somewhere is doing something wrong. |
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There is absolutely no excuse for strikes, that was the new transport secretarys message to the unions as he stepped into the dispute on southern railway. |
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"There is absolutely no excuse for strikes, that was the new transport secretarys message to the unions as he stepped into the dispute on southern railway."
There's no excuse for the ridiculous expenses that a lot of mp's claim or the massive pay rises when the rest of the public sector get only 1% .......but it still happens ! |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"There is absolutely no excuse for strikes, that was the new transport secretarys message to the unions as he stepped into the dispute on southern railway."
stepped in ! You do know Southern is not a franchise and is in fact run on behalf of the dft and this dispute is all about breaking the union hence "southerns" absolute refusal to back down it is written into thier contract to get this through no matter what the cost to the fare paying public or they have to pay massive penalties
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I take the London Bridge to Victoria southern train. For almost two years, since the upgrade of London Bridge station, my commute has been a nightmare.
The strikes have hardly registered as it's been a piss poor service.
The constant stress of travelling on southern (not unusual for my 25 minutes commute to take 2 hours then be charged £10 penalty for taking too long to get from A to B) was a deciding factor of taking early retirement...50 working days and counting! |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm with the drivers
I'm with the tax-payers.
Besides, I thought this issue was with the guards ...
Mr ddc"
the issue is the taking away of guards which will increase the drivers work load so the drivers are backing the guards .its a safety issue |
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"I'm with the drivers
I'm with the tax-payers.
Besides, I thought this issue was with the guards ...
Mr ddcthe issue is the taking away of guards which will increase the drivers work load so the drivers are backing the guards .its a safety issue "
It's always a 'safety' issue. That's the card they hide behind whenever 'efficiencies' (read: job losses) are proposed.
Some people embrace capitalism. Others go on strike. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm with the drivers
I'm with the tax-payers.
Besides, I thought this issue was with the guards ...
Mr ddcthe issue is the taking away of guards which will increase the drivers work load so the drivers are backing the guards .its a safety issue
It's always a 'safety' issue. That's the card they hide behind whenever 'efficiencies' (read: job losses) are proposed.
Some people embrace capitalism. Others go on strike. "
so your happy to have the guard removed or replaced with an untrained bloke of the street so in the addmitedley very rare occasions when things do go wrong and you need someone to take charge and maintain your saftey your in the hands of someone with the minimum of training ? |
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"I'm with the drivers
I'm with the tax-payers.
Besides, I thought this issue was with the guards ...
Mr ddcthe issue is the taking away of guards which will increase the drivers work load so the drivers are backing the guards .its a safety issue
It's always a 'safety' issue. That's the card they hide behind whenever 'efficiencies' (read: job losses) are proposed.
Some people embrace capitalism. Others go on strike. so your happy to have the guard removed or replaced with an untrained bloke of the street so in the addmitedley very rare occasions when things do go wrong and you need someone to take charge and maintain your saftey your in the hands of someone with the minimum of training ?"
Yup and I'll be even happier when they get rid of the drivers too. I don't need anyone to tell me how to get on and off a train thanks. I can manage that one all by myself. |
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By *oddyWoman
over a year ago
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there are more industrial action on the following dates:
Tuesday 11 October until Thursday 13 October
Tuesday 18 October until Thursday 20 October
Thursday 3 November until Saturday 5 November
Tuesday 22 November until Wednesday 23 November
Tuesday 6 December until Thursday 8 December
i think they should extend peoples railcards which they have paid out for and cant use those days |
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"with the unions on this one; it only takes a driver to make one mistake and someone either loses their lives or suffers a life changing injury. "
Better get rid of the drivers then, given automated systems make less mistakes |
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" there are more industrial action on the following dates:
Tuesday 11 October until Thursday 13 October
Tuesday 18 October until Thursday 20 October
Thursday 3 November until Saturday 5 November
Tuesday 22 November until Wednesday 23 November
Tuesday 6 December until Thursday 8 December
i think they should extend peoples railcards which they have paid out for and cant use those days"
Only three more strike days before I retire...I would sympathise with their industrial action if they put on a (half) decent service! |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Angus & Findhorn |
" there are more industrial action on the following dates:
Tuesday 11 October until Thursday 13 October
Tuesday 18 October until Thursday 20 October
Thursday 3 November until Saturday 5 November
Tuesday 22 November until Wednesday 23 November
Tuesday 6 December until Thursday 8 December
i think they should extend peoples railcards which they have paid out for and cant use those days
Only three more strike days before I retire...I would sympathise with their industrial action if they put on a (half) decent service! "
enjoy your retirement |
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By *mojeeCouple
over a year ago
Dunfermline |
" there are more industrial action on the following dates:
Tuesday 11 October until Thursday 13 October
Tuesday 18 October until Thursday 20 October
Thursday 3 November until Saturday 5 November
Tuesday 22 November until Wednesday 23 November
Tuesday 6 December until Thursday 8 December
i think they should extend peoples railcards which they have paid out for and cant use those days
Only three more strike days before I retire...I would sympathise with their industrial action if they put on a (half) decent service! "
And that's the difference right there. It's the company putting on the service and the staff have to work with what they have. Sympathise with the people not the company. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"I am all for unions but a 5 day walk out is taking the piss
The managers have to stay strong and not give in.....unions that take the Piss loose public backing
The transport union need to wake up and smell the coffee why are the unions taking the piss ? they are doing what they are created for looking after the welfare wages and rights of the workers who pay thier subs . in this case the union are bang on this is a govt led attack through the dept of transport and the rail regulator on workers rights and conditions it is an attempt to de skill an important safety position so that cheaper less skilled people can be brought in nation wide . your saftey is bieng put at risk in the event of of an incedent or accident on your train home would you much rather have a fully trained gurd/conduter fully conversant with the rules regs andsaftey sytems and instruction or poorly paid untrained teenager who hasnt got a clue . be carefull what you wish for
The unions do not give a shit about people trying to get work - the London transport have been taking the piss for years. If it had been a 1 or 2 day walkout I may have been less reactive - there is no need for a 5 day walkout all it does is gets people's backs up against the unions. As a union person myself I want workers rights but you have to play the game - transport unions live in the 80s. I must admit since Bob crow passed away it has
become better. Try working for a private organisation "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Talks to resolve it have broken down and the strikes will go ahead next week.
All they want to do is to modernise the trains, some lines already have the upgrades. |
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By *ylan11Man
over a year ago
osterley |
Southern rail are in a win situation by saying if drivers strike they will be dismissed ..coming up to Christmas the drivers will have no choice to re apply for the same jobs on new contracts , it's a sham how big firms can bend the law to cost cut and reduce jobs and t&c's I'm with the drivers as there fighting for there jobs .I'm sure anyone using public transport will be accommodated by there work due to the public strike . |
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By *ylan11Man
over a year ago
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"I am all for unions but a 5 day walk out is taking the piss
The managers have to stay strong and not give in.....unions that take the Piss loose public backing
The transport union need to wake up and smell the coffee why are the unions taking the piss ? they are doing what they are created for looking after the welfare wages and rights of the workers who pay thier subs . in this case the union are bang on this is a govt led attack through the dept of transport and the rail regulator on workers rights and conditions it is an attempt to de skill an important safety position so that cheaper less skilled people can be brought in nation wide . your saftey is bieng put at risk in the event of of an incedent or accident on your train home would you much rather have a fully trained gurd/conduter fully conversant with the rules regs andsaftey sytems and instruction or poorly paid untrained teenager who hasnt got a clue . be carefull what you wish for
The unions do not give a shit about people trying to get work - the London transport have been taking the piss for years. If it had been a 1 or 2 day walkout I may have been less reactive - there is no need for a 5 day walkout all it does is gets people's backs up against the unions. As a union person myself I want workers rights but you have to play the game - transport unions live in the 80s. I must admit since Bob crow passed away it has
become better. Try working for a private organisation "
Bob crow is a legend , striking for 5 days is no joke as the poor drivers won't be paid . Make or break time. By reducing drivers do you get a better service or savings ,No ! Management get bigger bonuses ... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's not just about that tho is it??? No, but for the most part it is.
It's really not tho is it"
Yes and no there, it wont be long till it changes as the mayor will take over it in a few years time. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
good news... drivers cancel 6 day strike next week... yey....
bad news... they will strike 3 days next week and 3 days 2 weeks after instead....
I know they get paid shed loads... but this isn't the way to win public support for your actions...... |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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and now the plot thikens
Department of transport to take over running of southern until a new operater for the "franchise " can be found ?
this isnt a franchise its a management contract basicly govia doing the Dfts bidding in an attempt to smash the rail unions so suspect none of the other tocs will go near this poison chalice |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hundreds of trains have been cancelled in a row over plans for drivers, not conductors, to operate carriage doors, will the strike affect you and what do you think of it? They are losing the confidence of the passengers."
Sack them all. Replace with a computer. It's not rocket science and will probably cost the same after this bullshit is over |
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"Hundreds of trains have been cancelled in a row over plans for drivers, not conductors, to operate carriage doors, will the strike affect you and what do you think of it? They are losing the confidence of the passengers.
Sack them all. Replace with a computer. It's not rocket science and will probably cost the same after this bullshit is over"
That is right, they would make more profit to replace them and no strikes. |
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By *oddyWoman
over a year ago
between havant and chichester |
"Southern rail is getting slated big time for this, I have very little patience for the company now.
I would hate to have rely on them. "
I have to but tonight my train actully run i nearly went into shock |
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By *mojeeCouple
over a year ago
Dunfermline |
"wankers ...if u don't like the terms and conditions of your work....grow a pair and leave ......"
So if your boss wanted to change the terms and conditions of your job, force you to take significant pay cut and demote you you'd be happy to 'grow a pair' and leave. You're obviously on the side of southern rail and only listen to their side of things. Some people are bitter because the rail unions are still strong and stand together when things happen to their members. We should be supporting the staff as they have been placed in this horrible position thru no fault of their own. |
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"wankers ...if u don't like the terms and conditions of your work....grow a pair and leave ......
So if your boss wanted to change the terms and conditions of your job, force you to take significant pay cut and demote you you'd be happy to 'grow a pair' and leave. You're obviously on the side of southern rail and only listen to their side of things. Some people are bitter because the rail unions are still strong and stand together when things happen to their members. We should be supporting the staff as they have been placed in this horrible position thru no fault of their own. "
Does anyone know what wages train drivers and gards get ? just asking |
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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago
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Why are rail fares so high..
The unions that's why..
Why does a train driver earn 45k a year for pushing a lever and knowing how to stop a train in a station, a track worker earns 50k for relaying tracks????
A met police officer earns 32k, outside the met is 27k, and they put their life on the line yet they cannot strike for public safety reasons.
Nurses earn 28k and have to work 24/7 doing a stressful job.
Yet a bloke driving a train can bring the country to its knees because he is fucking greedy and doesn't want to go with progress..
Get rid of the guards, they are pointless and unnecessary in this day and age of technology..
What good are they on a station? they are not fully trained in emergency procedures nor have any powers to deal with violent conduct.
For the price of 2 guards you can employ 3 British transport police, at least they are a better presence than an old guy with a whistle..
Fucking rmt is there for one reason only, to look after the strangle hold they have.
Disproportionate pay and disproportionate powers lead to abuse of the system which is what the rail unions do all the time.
I have no sympathy for them at all, sack the fucking lot of em for all I care, it'll be cheaper in the long run for the entire country..
Pay the staff a fair but wage in line with other transport drivers pay, train drivers ain't fucking gods.. The rail prices will then tumble, companies will be able to afford to invest and the government won't have to prop the rail services up with loads of tax payers money which could be better spent..
Of course, I know that isn't gonna happen and definitely not while there is an all powerful union squeezing the countries balls!!!!!!
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"Why are rail fares so high..
The unions that's why..
Why does a train driver earn 45k a year for pushing a lever and knowing how to stop a train in a station, a track worker earns 50k for relaying tracks????
A met police officer earns 32k, outside the met is 27k, and they put their life on the line yet they cannot strike for public safety reasons.
Nurses earn 28k and have to work 24/7 doing a stressful job.
Yet a bloke driving a train can bring the country to its knees because he is fucking greedy and doesn't want to go with progress..
Get rid of the guards, they are pointless and unnecessary in this day and age of technology..
What good are they on a station? they are not fully trained in emergency procedures nor have any powers to deal with violent conduct.
For the price of 2 guards you can employ 3 British transport police, at least they are a better presence than an old guy with a whistle..
Fucking rmt is there for one reason only, to look after the strangle hold they have.
Disproportionate pay and disproportionate powers lead to abuse of the system which is what the rail unions do all the time.
I have no sympathy for them at all, sack the fucking lot of em for all I care, it'll be cheaper in the long run for the entire country..
Pay the staff a fair but wage in line with other transport drivers pay, train drivers ain't fucking gods.. The rail prices will then tumble, companies will be able to afford to invest and the government won't have to prop the rail services up with loads of tax payers money which could be better spent..
Of course, I know that isn't gonna happen and definitely not while there is an all powerful union squeezing the countries balls!!!!!!
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By *mojeeCouple
over a year ago
Dunfermline |
Disproportionate pay??? I wouldn't call it that when the driver is responsible for the safety of literally thousands of passengers per day travelling at high speed with nearly 500 tons of metal at their command. It takes a whole year to qualify as a driver so you clearly have no knowledge of what's required to do that job. As for the strikes aslef are standing together with the rmt to protect the workers rights and stop the TOC from taking them away. The job of the union is to fight for the workers and some people don't like it because the rail unions are still strong. On a slightly different note the fares aren't set by the union or even the TOC. They are set by the government. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Why are rail fares so high.
because the govt want the TOCs to make a profit to enable them to pay dividends to there largley forign sharholders you will be happy to know the profits made by govia (southerns owners ) allow them to subsidise french regional rail fares but hey you all voted for privetised railway |
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By *rishman75Man
over a year ago
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Here we go let's mention the nurses and doctors again ! Ok the nurses and doctors should be earning a hell of a lot more but they have a shit union to be fair ! I'm a tube driver and I'm with aslef and I pay alot for my union and with the price of everything going up and wages staying the same why shouldn't my union try and get me a good deal ! Did you moan when the politicans got a %12 pay rise ??? |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"They have finally reached an agreement with their drivers with one of the unions, but not the other union."
now to be voted on by the members themselves !they were always going to reach an agreements with aslef devide and conquer can now do what the franc... sorry managment company have been designed to do break the RMT on behalf of the DFT and that is the end game .petty the poor london comuter
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"They have finally reached an agreement with their drivers with one of the unions, but not the other union.now to be voted on by the members themselves !they were always going to reach an agreements with aslef devide and conquer can now do what the franc... sorry managment company have been designed to do break the RMT on behalf of the DFT and that is the end game .petty the poor london comuter
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That is right and I reckon they knew they would never get the deal, but yeah not good for the passengers, but finally they can get to work easier. |
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"Why are rail fares so high..
The unions that's why..
Why does a train driver earn 45k a year for pushing a lever and knowing how to stop a train in a station, a track worker earns 50k for relaying tracks????
A met police officer earns 32k, outside the met is 27k, and they put their life on the line yet they cannot strike for public safety reasons.
Nurses earn 28k and have to work 24/7 doing a stressful job.
Yet a bloke driving a train can bring the country to its knees because he is fucking greedy and doesn't want to go with progress..
Get rid of the guards, they are pointless and unnecessary in this day and age of technology..
What good are they on a station? they are not fully trained in emergency procedures nor have any powers to deal with violent conduct.
For the price of 2 guards you can employ 3 British transport police, at least they are a better presence than an old guy with a whistle..
Fucking rmt is there for one reason only, to look after the strangle hold they have.
Disproportionate pay and disproportionate powers lead to abuse of the system which is what the rail unions do all the time.
I have no sympathy for them at all, sack the fucking lot of em for all I care, it'll be cheaper in the long run for the entire country..
Pay the staff a fair but wage in line with other transport drivers pay, train drivers ain't fucking gods.. The rail prices will then tumble, companies will be able to afford to invest and the government won't have to prop the rail services up with loads of tax payers money which could be better spent..
Of course, I know that isn't gonna happen and definitely not while there is an all powerful union squeezing the countries balls!!!!!!
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The rail fares would not tumble , the profit for the toc would go up and the dividends to the shareholders
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