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France, nice attack

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

A lorry strikes a crowd during Bastille Day celebrations in the French city of Nice.

The incident took place on the famous Promenade des Anglais during a firework display, media reports say. 30 have died and hundreds injured.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Attack/accident?

Do we know yet...?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Now lots of guns being fired around hotels wow it's not sounding good.

Wtf has France down so bad

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Tbf, 1st reports don;t look encouraging

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Shots fired after truck collided with crowd. Looking like an attack.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The tittle misleaded me...

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Now lots of guns being fired around hotels wow it's not sounding good.

Wtf has France down so bad "

France is seen as a softer target than the UK and it's busy bombing in Syria

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The tittle misleaded me... "

Me too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The title misleaded me... "

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By *ewels74Woman over a year ago

Dundee/Angus/Blackpool

I'm listening to everything on the radio currently

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

No doubt there will be increased far-right cries.

I hope it get gets contained quickly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Words fail me.

The people doing these attacks are dehumanised and deranged.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Strategia della tension for the one who knows ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lots of vids on youtube. Now feel rather angry. And disturbed. There's bound to be whole families gone. so many kids there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Watching the news now x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Looking bad there sky news.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Strategia della tension for the one who knows ? "

Surely not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lots of vids on youtube. Now feel rather angry. And disturbed. There's bound to be whole families gone. so many kids there."

I usually avoid them for those very reasons - just seeing seconds of one just now was horrifying.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's just heartbreaking what these fanatics are doing.

But what's the solution??? It's never going to end until either they take control or destroy totally other countries.

Should stick a atom bomb down

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It was the guy who didn't even realise what all the bits on the ground were. Then just ran back through the crowds when it sunk in. I won't be feeling sexy for a while.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It was the guy who didn't even realise what all the bits on the ground were. Then just ran back through the crowds when it sunk in. I won't be feeling sexy for a while.

What on earth are you watching why would

You do that to yourself the news is bad enough

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *orwegian BlueMan over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

Unfortunately you can never stop them.. It's the sad fact.

Destroy one fanatical group, they will just be replaced by another..

They are sick and deranged individuals that if we're not involved with this so called cause, would be out indiscriminately hurting and killing people.

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By *ong legs n LingeireWoman over a year ago

it up to me neck. :-)

Heartbreaking .Why on earth?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I am watching it on the news, they say now it is 4 lorries that did it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My god how can people do that to peóple. So so sad .tears in my eyes may god for give them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

French TV saying at least 60 people dead,kids, families...where to start with understanding that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am watching it on the news, they say now it is 4 lorries that did it."

What news channel are u watching because bbc say deffo 1 and they believe the gun fire may have been the police firing into the truck. They are saying a

Possibly rogue fanatic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

WTF sick cunts would even put this sort of thing on utube???

Hope the authorities find out, and put them before the courts!

Families have been wiped out, and only get to see by some sick individual putting it up on a media site

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"It's just heartbreaking what these fanatics are doing.

But what's the solution??? It's never going to end until either they take control or destroy totally other countries.

Should stick a atom bomb down "

This:-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ian-hislop-question-time-chilcot-report-baghdad-bombing-250-dead-watch-video-a7126796.html

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"French TV saying at least 60 people dead,kids, families...where to start with understanding that?"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I am watching it on the news, they say now it is 4 lorries that did it.

What news channel are u watching because bbc say deffo 1 and they believe the gun fire may have been the police firing into the truck. They are saying a

Possibly rogue fanatic. "
It was on sky, they say it may have, but I also heard it was one, not good it happened as it is holiday season.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wtf!! I've just seen this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sky news

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"WTF sick cunts would even put this sort of thing on utube???

Hope the authorities find out, and put them before the courts!

Families have been wiped out, and only get to see by some sick individual putting it up on a media site "

I guess they wanted the world to see.

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By *uby0000Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

news says 60 dead now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

Awful...

But, not a shock anymore.

These attacks just keep on happening, and will continue to do so.

That's the scariest aspect of all of this.

Think about it... if someone is inspired by these Muslim fanatics, there is absolutely nothing the authorities can do, to prevent these sort of attacks happening in the future.

Terrible.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know this is your motherland, you ok? X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

73 reported dead now!! I fear there will be a lot more

how sad

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is no words to describe the barbary of those disgusting acts !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is no words to describe the barbary of those disgusting acts !

Oh there are a lot of words trust me!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is no words to describe the barbary of those disgusting acts !

Oh there are a lot of words trust me! "

I meant to justify those acts, my bad

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"73 reported dead now!! I fear there will be a lot more

how sad "

It's horrible.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is no words to describe the barbary of those disgusting acts !

Oh there are a lot of words trust me!

I meant to justify those acts, my bad "

No there isn't with that I will agree.

There are now reports of something happening in two other areas in nice one being a night club.

Things like this just cause more hatred.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

President of the region confirming that it was premeditated, that the police shot the driver dead...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"President of the region confirming that it was premeditated, that the police shot the driver dead..."

Think the fact the driver was zig zagging proves it was premeditated

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"President of the region confirming that it was premeditated, that the police shot the driver dead...

Think the fact the driver was zig zagging proves it was premeditated "

...same man saying firearms and grenades were found in the truck cabin.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is no words to describe the barbary of those disgusting acts !

I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage".

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"There is no words to describe the barbary of those disgusting acts !

I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage"."

Yes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage"."

"We"? What are you calling this, tonight?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You know the world is fucked and shit when things like this don't even shock you anymore.

So sad.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

I don't have a TV or listen to the radio but I always say if something big happens I will hear about it.

It's shocking enough to hear about it. I couldn't sleep if I saw it on news.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Seriously, it's times like this I reckon the punishment for these suicidal monsters crimes should be passed on as a debt to their living families - sorry, but I'm fucking tired of these cunts and their black, evil ways flying in the face of humanity and justice, then escaping unpunished, leaving only madness and meaningless pain in their wake.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Seriously, it's times like this I reckon the punishment for these suicidal monsters crimes should be passed on as a debt to their living families - sorry, but I'm fucking tired of these cunts and their black, evil ways flying in the face of humanity and justice, then escaping unpunished, leaving only madness and meaningless pain in their wake."

I'm not sure that's meaningful or helpful

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

ERM pretty fucking obvious don't you think a lorry full of explosives and granades being driven into people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

Seriously?? It's obviously a terrorist attack ,

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

ERM pretty fucking obvious don't you think a lorry full of explosives and granades being driven into people. "

Ok, I'm not reading anything about explosives or grenades.

I've already agreed that it looks likely that it's an attack but, as yet, we don;t know who carried it out or why

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

ERM pretty fucking obvious don't you think a lorry full of explosives and granades being driven into people.

Ok, I'm not reading anything about explosives or grenades.

I've already agreed that it looks likely that it's an attack but, as yet, we don;t know who carried it out or why"

Perhaps you should turn the news on then as its been clearly said by French police the truck had explosives and granades.

And bbc have shown the footage of the lorry driving it was going very fast and zig zagging hitting people.

Why do you think they carried it out? Think we all

Know who's going to claim responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

ERM pretty fucking obvious don't you think a lorry full of explosives and granades being driven into people.

Ok, I'm not reading anything about explosives or grenades.

I've already agreed that it looks likely that it's an attack but, as yet, we don;t know who carried it out or why"

Are you a polatician?

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

ERM pretty fucking obvious don't you think a lorry full of explosives and granades being driven into people.

Ok, I'm not reading anything about explosives or grenades.

I've already agreed that it looks likely that it's an attack but, as yet, we don;t know who carried it out or why

Perhaps you should turn the news on then as its been clearly said by French police the truck had explosives and granades.

And bbc have shown the footage of the lorry driving it was going very fast and zig zagging hitting people.

Why do you think they carried it out? Think we all

Know who's going to claim responsibility. "

I'm watching BBC now - nothing about explosives or grenades.

I don;t think you or I have enough information available at this present stage to say who did it or why.

I'm not the French Interior Minister.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not sure that's meaningful or helpful"

What 'meaning' do you believe can be derived from such an event? What do you believe is 'helpful'?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

ERM pretty fucking obvious don't you think a lorry full of explosives and granades being driven into people.

Ok, I'm not reading anything about explosives or grenades.

I've already agreed that it looks likely that it's an attack but, as yet, we don;t know who carried it out or why

Are you a polatician? "

Politician even

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

I'm not sure that's meaningful or helpful

What 'meaning' do you believe can be derived from such an event? What do you believe is 'helpful'?"

Waiting for the facts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Reports say the driver got out of the truck and opened fire before being brought down by the police.

Evil.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

ERM pretty fucking obvious don't you think a lorry full of explosives and granades being driven into people.

Ok, I'm not reading anything about explosives or grenades.

I've already agreed that it looks likely that it's an attack but, as yet, we don;t know who carried it out or why

Perhaps you should turn the news on then as its been clearly said by French police the truck had explosives and granades.

And bbc have shown the footage of the lorry driving it was going very fast and zig zagging hitting people.

Why do you think they carried it out? Think we all

Know who's going to claim responsibility.

I'm watching BBC now - nothing about explosives or grenades.

I don;t think you or I have enough information available at this present stage to say who did it or why.

I'm not the French Interior Minister."

Yep deffo a politician ,, come on!! Really

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not sure that's meaningful or helpful

What 'meaning' do you believe can be derived from such an event? What do you believe is 'helpful'?

Waiting for the facts"
7

There you go, just posted them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Jesus, the videos on YouTube are graphic, it's sickening, poor bastards, makes me so angry it really does. God bless them

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I'm not the French Interior Minister.

Yep deffo a politician ,, come on!! Really "

Not relevant.

We're talking about caring for the wounded, contacting relatives and securing a crime scene.

Not about me.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

I'm not sure that's meaningful or helpful

What 'meaning' do you believe can be derived from such an event? What do you believe is 'helpful'?

Waiting for the facts7

There you go, just posted them."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not the French Interior Minister.

Yep deffo a politician ,, come on!! Really

Not relevant.

We're talking about caring for the wounded, contacting relatives and securing a crime scene.

Not about me. "

No we were not it was discussing what we all know it's a terrorist attack on innocent people yet again. Did you say collateral damage

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I'm not the French Interior Minister.

Yep deffo a politician ,, come on!! Really

Not relevant.

We're talking about caring for the wounded, contacting relatives and securing a crime scene.

Not about me.

No we were not it was discussing what we all know it's a terrorist attack on innocent people yet again. Did you say collateral damage"

No, that was someone else

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not the French Interior Minister.

Yep deffo a politician ,, come on!! Really

Not relevant.

We're talking about caring for the wounded, contacting relatives and securing a crime scene.

Not about me. "

And I'm talking about you saying we don't know what's happened etc or whom it is or if it's terrorists. Nothing about what you just said ?!!

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I'm not the French Interior Minister.

Yep deffo a politician ,, come on!! Really

Not relevant.

We're talking about caring for the wounded, contacting relatives and securing a crime scene.

Not about me.

No we were not it was discussing what we all know it's a terrorist attack on innocent people yet again. Did you say collateral damage

No, that was someone else"

But he was making the comparison that we're talking about innocent French citizens being killed whereas when one of our missiles or drones goes awry, it's 'collateral damage'.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

Seriously?? It's obviously a terrorist attack , "

I've been watching sky news. They are calling it a terrorist attack on there.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I'm not the French Interior Minister.

Yep deffo a politician ,, come on!! Really

Not relevant.

We're talking about caring for the wounded, contacting relatives and securing a crime scene.

Not about me.

And I'm talking about you saying we don't know what's happened etc or whom it is or if it's terrorists. Nothing about what you just said ?!!"

I'm saying no-one on this forum is in full possession of the facts.

I doubt even the French President is yet.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not the French Interior Minister.

Yep deffo a politician ,, come on!! Really

Not relevant.

We're talking about caring for the wounded, contacting relatives and securing a crime scene.

Not about me.

No we were not it was discussing what we all know it's a terrorist attack on innocent people yet again. Did you say collateral damage

No, that was someone else

But he was making the comparison that we're talking about innocent French citizens being killed whereas when one of our missiles or drones goes awry, it's 'collateral damage'.

That's bullshit!!!

And I'm of to sleep nice chatting goodnight x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not the French Interior Minister.

Yep deffo a politician ,, come on!! Really

Not relevant.

We're talking about caring for the wounded, contacting relatives and securing a crime scene.

Not about me.

And I'm talking about you saying we don't know what's happened etc or whom it is or if it's terrorists. Nothing about what you just said ?!!

I'm saying no-one on this forum is in full possession of the facts.

I doubt even the French President is yet. "

Seriously ?? HE WILL BE !! He will be fully aware and informed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I'm not the French Interior Minister.

Yep deffo a politician ,, come on!! Really

Not relevant.

We're talking about caring for the wounded, contacting relatives and securing a crime scene.

Not about me.

And I'm talking about you saying we don't know what's happened etc or whom it is or if it's terrorists. Nothing about what you just said ?!!

I'm saying no-one on this forum is in full possession of the facts.

I doubt even the French President is yet.

Fine, we don't know all the facts - so what you like to wager AGAINST it being another Islamic Terror attack at this point?"

That is likely

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not the French Interior Minister.

Yep deffo a politician ,, come on!! Really

Not relevant.

We're talking about caring for the wounded, contacting relatives and securing a crime scene.

Not about me.

And I'm talking about you saying we don't know what's happened etc or whom it is or if it's terrorists. Nothing about what you just said ?!!

I'm saying no-one on this forum is in full possession of the facts.

I doubt even the French President is yet. "

Fine, we don't know all the facts - so would you like to wager AGAINST it being another Islamic Terror attack at this point?

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ian-hislop-question-time-chilcot-report-baghdad-bombing-250-dead-watch-video-a7126796.html

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wish fab would bring a 'like' button as Facebook does !!!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

ERM pretty fucking obvious don't you think a lorry full of explosives and granades being driven into people.

Ok, I'm not reading anything about explosives or grenades.

I've already agreed that it looks likely that it's an attack but, as yet, we don;t know who carried it out or why

Perhaps you should turn the news on then as its been clearly said by French police the truck had explosives and granades.

And bbc have shown the footage of the lorry driving it was going very fast and zig zagging hitting people.

Why do you think they carried it out? Think we all

Know who's going to claim responsibility.

I'm watching BBC now - nothing about explosives or grenades.

I don;t think you or I have enough information available at this present stage to say who did it or why.

I'm not the French Interior Minister."

On sky news now, President of the cote d'azure region in France has said guns and grenades were found inside the lorry. President Obama is also calling it a terrorist attack.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

ERM pretty fucking obvious don't you think a lorry full of explosives and granades being driven into people.

Ok, I'm not reading anything about explosives or grenades.

I've already agreed that it looks likely that it's an attack but, as yet, we don;t know who carried it out or why

Perhaps you should turn the news on then as its been clearly said by French police the truck had explosives and granades.

And bbc have shown the footage of the lorry driving it was going very fast and zig zagging hitting people.

Why do you think they carried it out? Think we all

Know who's going to claim responsibility.

I'm watching BBC now - nothing about explosives or grenades.

I don;t think you or I have enough information available at this present stage to say who did it or why.

I'm not the French Interior Minister.

On sky news now, President of the cote d'azure region in France has said guns and grenades were found inside the lorry. President Obama is also calling it a terrorist attack. "

Sure - and I'm not disagreeing - I'm just saying that we're getting a confused, filtered view of events that we're only just beginning to understand

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

ERM pretty fucking obvious don't you think a lorry full of explosives and granades being driven into people.

Ok, I'm not reading anything about explosives or grenades.

I've already agreed that it looks likely that it's an attack but, as yet, we don;t know who carried it out or why

Perhaps you should turn the news on then as its been clearly said by French police the truck had explosives and granades.

And bbc have shown the footage of the lorry driving it was going very fast and zig zagging hitting people.

Why do you think they carried it out? Think we all

Know who's going to claim responsibility.

I'm watching BBC now - nothing about explosives or grenades.

I don;t think you or I have enough information available at this present stage to say who did it or why.

I'm not the French Interior Minister.

On sky news now, President of the cote d'azure region in France has said guns and grenades were found inside the lorry. President Obama is also calling it a terrorist attack.

Sure - and I'm not disagreeing - I'm just saying that we're getting a confused, filtered view of events that we're only just beginning to understand"

It was pretty obvious don't you think? Like oh hey 2 planes just crashed into the twin towers hmmmm but hang on we don't know the facts, could of been an accident !!! COME ON!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"At best, all we can say is that what looks like an attack has taken place in France.

We do not yet know who has done it or why.

ERM pretty fucking obvious don't you think a lorry full of explosives and granades being driven into people.

Ok, I'm not reading anything about explosives or grenades.

I've already agreed that it looks likely that it's an attack but, as yet, we don;t know who carried it out or why

Perhaps you should turn the news on then as its been clearly said by French police the truck had explosives and granades.

And bbc have shown the footage of the lorry driving it was going very fast and zig zagging hitting people.

Why do you think they carried it out? Think we all

Know who's going to claim responsibility.

I'm watching BBC now - nothing about explosives or grenades.

I don;t think you or I have enough information available at this present stage to say who did it or why.

I'm not the French Interior Minister.

On sky news now, President of the cote d'azure region in France has said guns and grenades were found inside the lorry. President Obama is also calling it a terrorist attack.

Sure - and I'm not disagreeing - I'm just saying that we're getting a confused, filtered view of events that we're only just beginning to understand"

Understand what exactly? That the world is going to shit? It seems to me like we're all caught in the same bubbling broth of anger caused by our leaders - the ones being targeted aren't the ones who caused these problems.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not the French Interior Minister.

Yep deffo a politician ,, come on!! Really

Not relevant.

We're talking about caring for the wounded, contacting relatives and securing a crime scene.

Not about me.

No we were not it was discussing what we all know it's a terrorist attack on innocent people yet again. Did you say collateral damage

No, that was someone else

But he was making the comparison that we're talking about innocent French citizens being killed whereas when one of our missiles or drones goes awry, it's 'collateral damage'.

Not awry.

When we decide that the deaths of the civilians is worth the target.

Someone said they couldn't think of words to describe this event ao i thought I'd offer the words we use to describe the civilians we kill.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Someone said they couldn't think of words to describe this event ao i thought I'd offer the words we use to describe the civilians we kill."

I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My cousin works for the government part of the SAS, and although he can't and won't say anything, all she's said to me is don't go to crowded places!!!

I don't even go to my city centre with my children now. Sad but I am so conscious of terrorism x

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By *eryBigGirlWoman over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Jeez there's some seriously bigoted assumptions being thrown about here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage".

"We"? What are you calling this, tonight?"

I think we've been calling it "war"?

We attack thier cities, they attack ours.

The language used in this thread is disturbing though, we've had people dismissing thier humanity, calling for nuclear retaliation and brutal twisted punishments.

Bizarely thats exactly how they see us too evil people that kill thier families, subhuman monsters that strike with impunity from the sky.

But this langauge disturbs me because its this language that leads to atrocities, the lead up to every major brutal genocidal act is years of "they're not even human".

People seem so shocked and appalled yet we have enganged in a war for over a decade, did you forget that in a war the other side strikes back.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My cousin works for the government part of the SAS, and although he can't and won't say anything, all she's said to me is don't go to crowded places!!!

I don't even go to my city centre with my children now. Sad but I am so conscious of terrorism x"

The "government part" of the sas?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Someone said they couldn't think of words to describe this event ao i thought I'd offer the words we use to describe the civilians we kill.

I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

We, it's a simple word.

You and I.

Our governments, our intelligence officers, our pilots, our soilders, our population.

Us, all of us.

An act of war, an unusual act inspired by the asymmetric war we are fighting.

If this had been a bomber that had dropped a 500lb bomb into the parade what would you have called it then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jeez there's some seriously bigoted assumptions being thrown about here

Assumptions??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage".

"We"? What are you calling this, tonight?

I think we've been calling it "war"?

We attack thier cities, they attack ours.

The language used in this thread is disturbing though, we've had people dismissing thier humanity, calling for nuclear retaliation and brutal twisted punishments.

Bizarely thats exactly how they see us too evil people that kill thier families, subhuman monsters that strike with impunity from the sky.

But this langauge disturbs me because its this language that leads to atrocities, the lead up to every major brutal genocidal act is years of "they're not even human".

People seem so shocked and appalled yet we have enganged in a war for over a decade, did you forget that in a war the other side strikes back."

So what's your proposed solution then Ryder? What action do you believe needs to be taken, in order to make these atrocities stop?

Because I think it's pretty fair to say, they have to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We reap what we sow, educate yourself people......it's very sad, but you never hear of the women, men and children that America, Britain and Europe have bombed, slaughtered and killed in the fake war against terror. Terrible times....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We reap what we sow, educate yourself people......it's very sad, but you never hear of the women, men and children that America, Britain and Europe have bombed, slaughtered and killed in the fake war against terror. Terrible times....

Oh my days are you for real ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh my days are you for real ?? "

What about how many of their own people they kill! Rape ! Hang! For supporting western views !

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By *eryBigGirlWoman over a year ago

East Yorkshire

That's conveniently not often reported

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh my days are you for real ??

What about how many of their own people they kill! Rape ! Hang! For supporting western views !"

FAKE WAR?? Please explain ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage".

"We"? What are you calling this, tonight?

I think we've been calling it "war"?

We attack thier cities, they attack ours.

The language used in this thread is disturbing though, we've had people dismissing thier humanity, calling for nuclear retaliation and brutal twisted punishments.

Bizarely thats exactly how they see us too evil people that kill thier families, subhuman monsters that strike with impunity from the sky.

But this langauge disturbs me because its this language that leads to atrocities, the lead up to every major brutal genocidal act is years of "they're not even human".

People seem so shocked and appalled yet we have enganged in a war for over a decade, did you forget that in a war the other side strikes back."

I agree with much of what you say, not least of what has passed for foreign policy for so long.

I'm not one for engaging in grief olympics, but I just found it cold that it was your first response in a thread about dozens of people having been murdered.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

I don't want to get into a debate about this but you can't deny that the West's foreign policy interventions in the Middle East - from Israel in the 40s, Iran in the 50s, Cold War play between Egypt and Syria in the 60s, pursuit of oil and support for dictators in the 70s, Iranian revolution & Iran/Iraq war in the 80s, Gulf War I in the 90s.... and so-on...

It culminated in the WTC attacks, and then the botched interventions/invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq in the 00s.

We're still fucking about with them - watch how support for the 'Arab Spring' faded when Western g'ments thought, Oh, we might end up with Islamists in power! to the failed state that is now Libya, the war in Yemen... not even mentioning the Syrian civil war.

It makes me weep what we have done.

It doesn't surprise me that some people are very, very angry about it.

Look at the number of civilians Western/Nato or for that matter Russian forces have accidentally blown up in pursuit of their goals.

You saw the clip - 250 dead in a single bomb blast 2 wks ago in Baghdad - didn't make a ripple here. It's almost like we don;t care.

I'm not excusing it - I'm saying bad feeling is understandable.

And the reason Islam has come to the fore is because the West has consistently crushed Pan-Arab or democratic movements in the Middle East. Political Islam is now seen by many as the solution to these problems.

It's too simplistic to say Islam v Christianity. It's merely an obvious difference. It's far more nuanced and we've been fucking about with the populations of the M East since Imperial times.

I would also argue that just because some jihaddi fuck blows himself up in the name of his god - he is no more representative of that religion than Rev Jim Jones was of Christianity.

It's fucked up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage".

"We"? What are you calling this, tonight?

I think we've been calling it "war"?

We attack thier cities, they attack ours.

The language used in this thread is disturbing though, we've had people dismissing thier humanity, calling for nuclear retaliation and brutal twisted punishments.

Bizarely thats exactly how they see us too evil people that kill thier families, subhuman monsters that strike with impunity from the sky.

But this langauge disturbs me because its this language that leads to atrocities, the lead up to every major brutal genocidal act is years of "they're not even human".

People seem so shocked and appalled yet we have enganged in a war for over a decade, did you forget that in a war the other side strikes back.

So what's your proposed solution then Ryder? What action do you believe needs to be taken, in order to make these atrocities stop?

Because I think it's pretty fair to say, they have to."

Why should i have a solution?

Would you expect some poor civilian hiding in thier shelter during the london blitz to be able to draw up Overlord?

Winning a war is up to the generals and politicians.

Oh and it's not a case of stopping the atrocities. Cause the real atrocities haven't even begun yet.

And with any luck our continents history and experence with industrialised genocide and its horror will mean they will never happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't want to get into a debate about this but you can't deny that the West's foreign policy interventions in the Middle East - from Israel in the 40s, Iran in the 50s, Cold War play between Egypt and Syria in the 60s, pursuit of oil and support for dictators in the 70s, Iranian revolution & Iran/Iraq war in the 80s, Gulf War I in the 90s.... and so-on...

It culminated in the WTC attacks, and then the botched interventions/invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq in the 00s.

It makes me weep what we have done.

It doesn't surprise me that some people are very, very angry about it

Look at the number of civilians Western/Nato or for that matter Russian forces have accidentally blown up in pursuit of their goals.

You saw the clip - 250 dead in a single bomb blast 2 wks ago in Baghdad - didn't make a ripple here. It's almost like we don;t care.

I'm not excusing it - I'm saying bad feeling is understandable.

It's too simplistic to say Islam v Christianity. It's merely an obvious difference. It's far more nuanced and we've been fucking about with the populations of the M East since Imperial times.

I would also argue that just because some jihaddi fuck blows himself up in the name of his god - he is no more representative of that religion than Rev Jim Jones was of Christianity.

It's fucked up."

It's not about that it's about extremists!! Whom are brain washed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

We, it's a simple word.

You and I.

Our governments, our intelligence officers, our pilots, our soilders, our population.

Us, all of us.

An act of war, an unusual act inspired by the asymmetric war we are fighting.

If this had been a bomber that had dropped a 500lb bomb into the parade what would you have called it then."

"an unusual act"...a fitting term of condolence to someone I hope.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage".

"We"? What are you calling this, tonight?

I think we've been calling it "war"?

We attack thier cities, they attack ours.

The language used in this thread is disturbing though, we've had people dismissing thier humanity, calling for nuclear retaliation and brutal twisted punishments.

Bizarely thats exactly how they see us too evil people that kill thier families, subhuman monsters that strike with impunity from the sky.

But this langauge disturbs me because its this language that leads to atrocities, the lead up to every major brutal genocidal act is years of "they're not even human".

People seem so shocked and appalled yet we have enganged in a war for over a decade, did you forget that in a war the other side strikes back.

I agree with much of what you say, not least of what has passed for foreign policy for so long.

I'm not one for engaging in grief olympics, but I just found it cold that it was your first response in a thread about dozens of people having been murdered."

Again with the langauge.

We never refer to the civilians we kill as being murdered.

We wouldn't say those killed in the blitz were murdered either.

And thousand sof people have been killed this week, why is it any more cold to consider those geographically close no more significant than any of the others killed?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage".

"We"? What are you calling this, tonight?

I think we've been calling it "war"?

We attack thier cities, they attack ours.

The language used in this thread is disturbing though, we've had people dismissing thier humanity, calling for nuclear retaliation and brutal twisted punishments.

Bizarely thats exactly how they see us too evil people that kill thier families, subhuman monsters that strike with impunity from the sky.

But this langauge disturbs me because its this language that leads to atrocities, the lead up to every major brutal genocidal act is years of "they're not even human".

People seem so shocked and appalled yet we have enganged in a war for over a decade, did you forget that in a war the other side strikes back.

So what's your proposed solution then Ryder? What action do you believe needs to be taken, in order to make these atrocities stop?

Because I think it's pretty fair to say, they have to.

Why should i have a solution?

Would you expect some poor civilian hiding in thier shelter during the london blitz to be able to draw up Overlord?

Winning a war is up to the generals and politicians.

Oh and it's not a case of stopping the atrocities. Cause the real atrocities haven't even begun yet.

And with any luck our continents history and experence with industrialised genocide and its horror will mean they will never happen.

Politics aside for a moment, lets talk about the perpetrators of these atrocities themselves for a moment. Do you believe all it takes is someone to believe they're fighting on the side of justice that allows them to indiscriminately slaughter innocent civilians, or is there something else at play?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

We, it's a simple word.

You and I.

Our governments, our intelligence officers, our pilots, our soilders, our population.

Us, all of us.

An act of war, an unusual act inspired by the asymmetric war we are fighting.

If this had been a bomber that had dropped a 500lb bomb into the parade what would you have called it then.

"an unusual act"...a fitting term of condolence to someone I hope."

I answered your question yet you avoid mine.

Yes it is an unusual and unconventional act of war, just like kamikaze pilots or the comando raid on the port of st nazaire where unusual when they where the first of thier kind.

Is it any more of a condolence than "acceptable casualties" or "collateral damage"?

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Politics aside for a moment, lets talk about the perpetrators of these atrocities themselves for a moment. Do you believe all it takes is someone to believe they're fighting on the side of justice that allows them to indiscriminately slaughter innocent civilians, or is there something else at play?"

Terrorists will always try to claim legitimacy for their indiscriminate ends.

Just look at Timothy McVeigh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Terrorists will always try to claim legitimacy for their indiscriminate ends.

Just look at Timothy McVeigh "

Was this McVeighs bombing religiously motivated?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage".

"We"? What are you calling this, tonight?

I think we've been calling it "war"?

We attack thier cities, they attack ours.

The language used in this thread is disturbing though, we've had people dismissing thier humanity, calling for nuclear retaliation and brutal twisted punishments.

Bizarely thats exactly how they see us too evil people that kill thier families, subhuman monsters that strike with impunity from the sky.

But this langauge disturbs me because its this language that leads to atrocities, the lead up to every major brutal genocidal act is years of "they're not even human".

People seem so shocked and appalled yet we have enganged in a war for over a decade, did you forget that in a war the other side strikes back.

So what's your proposed solution then Ryder? What action do you believe needs to be taken, in order to make these atrocities stop?

Because I think it's pretty fair to say, they have to.

Why should i have a solution?

Would you expect some poor civilian hiding in thier shelter during the london blitz to be able to draw up Overlord?

Winning a war is up to the generals and politicians.

Oh and it's not a case of stopping the atrocities. Cause the real atrocities haven't even begun yet.

And with any luck our continents history and experence with industrialised genocide and its horror will mean they will never happen.

I think all it takes is for a person to think they're better than the other.

Be that gods divine will, thier superior political ideology, or simply the other side is evil.

You keep calling thie an atrocity, is it an atrocity when we do it?

For the ultimate examples though

The crew of the enola gay, what so you think they belived? Or worse the crew of the Bockscar, they can't even pleas ignorance to the weapon they where carrying.

So there those two crews, the two men among those crews who released the bombs and became the two single biggest killers of civilians in history.

What so you think they belived to alow them to indiscriminately slaughter civilians?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Terrorists will always try to claim legitimacy for their indiscriminate ends.

Just look at Timothy McVeigh

Was this McVeighs bombing religiously motivated?"

No he's the oklahoma bomber.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

We, it's a simple word.

You and I.

Our governments, our intelligence officers, our pilots, our soilders, our population.

Us, all of us.

An act of war, an unusual act inspired by the asymmetric war we are fighting.

If this had been a bomber that had dropped a 500lb bomb into the parade what would you have called it then.

"an unusual act"...a fitting term of condolence to someone I hope.

I answered your question yet you avoid mine.

Yes it is an unusual and unconventional act of war, just like kamikaze pilots or the comando raid on the port of st nazaire where unusual when they where the first of thier kind.

Is it any more of a condolence than "acceptable casualties" or "collateral damage"?

St nazaire was German occupied !! After the raid 228 men of the force of 611 returned to Britain; 169 were killed and 215 became prisoners of war. Hmmmm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not one for engaging in grief olympics, but I just found it cold that it was your first response in a thread about dozens of people having been murdered.

Again with the langauge.

We never refer to the civilians we kill as being murdered.

We wouldn't say those killed in the blitz were murdered either.

And thousand sof people have been killed this week, why is it any more cold to consider those geographically close no more significant than any of the others killed?"

Again with the language.

Who is this "we" you suggest don't call innocent victims of drone attacks as having been murdered?

It was merely your timing in making the comparison you chose to make, within a thread about this attack, that I found cold. Unimportant, all things considered.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

We, it's a simple word.

You and I.

Our governments, our intelligence officers, our pilots, our soilders, our population.

Us, all of us.

An act of war, an unusual act inspired by the asymmetric war we are fighting.

If this had been a bomber that had dropped a 500lb bomb into the parade what would you have called it then.

"an unusual act"...a fitting term of condolence to someone I hope.

I answered your question yet you avoid mine.

Yes it is an unusual and unconventional act of war, just like kamikaze pilots or the comando raid on the port of st nazaire where unusual when they where the first of thier kind.

Is it any more of a condolence than "acceptable casualties" or "collateral damage"?

St nazaire was German occupied !! After the raid 228 men of the force of 611 returned to Britain; 169 were killed and 215 became prisoners of war. Hmmmm"

Yes?

I know and it was the worlds first comando raid (and i think the first time a ship was converted into a giant floating bomb to destroy a dry dock, of course we had the sense to use timers to delay the explosion)

Hence it was an unusual and unconventional tactic, at the time.

I'm glad you looked it up on Wikipedia it's certainly an interesting event but im not too sure what you're getting at

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not one for engaging in grief olympics, but I just found it cold that it was your first response in a thread about dozens of people having been murdered.

Again with the langauge.

We never refer to the civilians we kill as being murdered.

We wouldn't say those killed in the blitz were murdered either.

And thousand sof people have been killed this week, why is it any more cold to consider those geographically close no more significant than any of the others killed?

Again with the language.

Who is this "we" you suggest don't call innocent victims of drone attacks as having been murdered?

It was merely your timing in making the comparison you chose to make, within a thread about this attack, that I found cold. Unimportant, all things considered."

We.

Our country collectively as a whole, our media and our govenrment.

Do you often refer to the civilians we kill as being murdered?

If you do say they are murdered then do you think the pilots of those drones should be arrested for murder?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage".

"We"? What are you calling this, tonight?

I think we've been calling it "war"?

We attack thier cities, they attack ours.

The language used in this thread is disturbing though, we've had people dismissing thier humanity, calling for nuclear retaliation and brutal twisted punishments.

Bizarely thats exactly how they see us too evil people that kill thier families, subhuman monsters that strike with impunity from the sky.

But this langauge disturbs me because its this language that leads to atrocities, the lead up to every major brutal genocidal act is years of "they're not even human".

People seem so shocked and appalled yet we have enganged in a war for over a decade, did you forget that in a war the other side strikes back.

So what's your proposed solution then Ryder? What action do you believe needs to be taken, in order to make these atrocities stop?

Because I think it's pretty fair to say, they have to.

Why should i have a solution?

Would you expect some poor civilian hiding in thier shelter during the london blitz to be able to draw up Overlord?

Winning a war is up to the generals and politicians.

Oh and it's not a case of stopping the atrocities. Cause the real atrocities haven't even begun yet.

And with any luck our continents history and experence with industrialised genocide and its horror will mean they will never happen.

I think all it takes is for a person to think they're better than the other.

Be that gods divine will, thier superior political ideology, or simply the other side is evil.

You keep calling thie an atrocity, is it an atrocity when we do it?"

Whilst I wouldn't make light of civilian causalities when bombing legitimate targets (ie those which serve to directly aid the target in their war efforts), I'd say 'atrocity' is a fitting term when civilians are actively targeted themselves, yes.

"The crew of the enola gay, what so you think they belived? Or worse the crew of the Bockscar, they can't even pleas ignorance to the weapon they where carrying.

So there those two crews, the two men among those crews who released the bombs and became the two single biggest killers of civilians in history.

What so you think they belived to alow them to indiscriminately slaughter civilians?"

The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings WERE atrocities against humanity on a horrific scale. I can't even begin to imagine what sort of minds would conceive and command such an attack knowing what would be unleashed, or even the mind behind the finger that pressed the release button.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

We, it's a simple word.

You and I.

Our governments, our intelligence officers, our pilots, our soilders, our population.

Us, all of us.

An act of war, an unusual act inspired by the asymmetric war we are fighting.

If this had been a bomber that had dropped a 500lb bomb into the parade what would you have called it then.

"an unusual act"...a fitting term of condolence to someone I hope.

I answered your question yet you avoid mine.

Yes it is an unusual and unconventional act of war, just like kamikaze pilots or the comando raid on the port of st nazaire where unusual when they where the first of thier kind.

Is it any more of a condolence than "acceptable casualties" or "collateral damage"?

St nazaire was German occupied !! After the raid 228 men of the force of 611 returned to Britain; 169 were killed and 215 became prisoners of war. Hmmmm

Yes?

Hence it was an unusual and unconventional tactic, at the time.

I'm glad you looked it up on Wikipedia it's certainly an interesting event but im not too sure what you're getting at"

You mentioned it !! And yes as a country defending itself in ww2 it was a a victorious defence !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

We, it's a simple word.

You and I.

Our governments, our intelligence officers, our pilots, our soilders, our population.

Us, all of us.

An act of war, an unusual act inspired by the asymmetric war we are fighting.

If this had been a bomber that had dropped a 500lb bomb into the parade what would you have called it then.

"an unusual act"...a fitting term of condolence to someone I hope.

I answered your question yet you avoid mine.

Yes it is an unusual and unconventional act of war, just like kamikaze pilots or the comando raid on the port of st nazaire where unusual when they where the first of thier kind.

Is it any more of a condolence than "acceptable casualties" or "collateral damage"?

St nazaire was German occupied !! After the raid 228 men of the force of 611 returned to Britain; 169 were killed and 215 became prisoners of war. Hmmmm

Yes?

Hence it was an unusual and unconventional tactic, at the time.

I'm glad you looked it up on Wikipedia it's certainly an interesting event but im not too sure what you're getting at

You mentioned it !! And yes as a country defending itself in ww2 it was a a victorious defence !!! "

Yes i mentioned it as an example of unusual attacks.

As you've pointed out unusual attacks work well.

And do you just justified it as a "defence" do you not think that people of the state we are bombing daily consider themselves involved in a war of defence against the massed powers of europe and america?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

We, it's a simple word.

You and I.

Our governments, our intelligence officers, our pilots, our soilders, our population.

Us, all of us.

An act of war, an unusual act inspired by the asymmetric war we are fighting.

If this had been a bomber that had dropped a 500lb bomb into the parade what would you have called it then.

"an unusual act"...a fitting term of condolence to someone I hope.

I answered your question yet you avoid mine.

Yes it is an unusual and unconventional act of war, just like kamikaze pilots or the comando raid on the port of st nazaire where unusual when they where the first of thier kind.

Is it any more of a condolence than "acceptable casualties" or "collateral damage"?

St nazaire was German occupied !! After the raid 228 men of the force of 611 returned to Britain; 169 were killed and 215 became prisoners of war. Hmmmm

Yes?

Hence it was an unusual and unconventional tactic, at the time.

I'm glad you looked it up on Wikipedia it's certainly an interesting event but im not too sure what you're getting at

You mentioned it !! And yes as a country defending itself in ww2 it was a a victorious defence !!!

Yes i mentioned it as an example of unusual attacks.

As you've pointed out unusual attacks work well.

Well ok, let our country GB , roll over and just do what's right for humanity hey!! And see where that gets us.

We as a country are a commonwealth and monarchy led we are far from dictatorship or communism of other country's. And that's because we have fought 2 world wars to be here!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

We, it's a simple word.

You and I.

Our governments, our intelligence officers, our pilots, our soilders, our population.

Us, all of us.

An act of war, an unusual act inspired by the asymmetric war we are fighting.

If this had been a bomber that had dropped a 500lb bomb into the parade what would you have called it then.

"an unusual act"...a fitting term of condolence to someone I hope.

I answered your question yet you avoid mine.

Yes it is an unusual and unconventional act of war, just like kamikaze pilots or the comando raid on the port of st nazaire where unusual when they where the first of thier kind.

Is it any more of a condolence than "acceptable casualties" or "collateral damage"?

St nazaire was German occupied !! After the raid 228 men of the force of 611 returned to Britain; 169 were killed and 215 became prisoners of war. Hmmmm

Yes?

Hence it was an unusual and unconventional tactic, at the time.

I'm glad you looked it up on Wikipedia it's certainly an interesting event but im not too sure what you're getting at

You mentioned it !! And yes as a country defending itself in ww2 it was a a victorious defence !!!

Yes i mentioned it as an example of unusual attacks.

As you've pointed out unusual attacks work well.

Well ok, let our country GB , roll over and just do what's right for humanity hey!! And see where that gets us.

We as a country are a commonwealth and monarchy led we are far from dictatorship or communism of other country's. And that's because we have fought 2 world wars to be here!!!! "

Ermmm... you realise the communists were on our side for both of those world wars.

And we're hardly a monarchy, we have a monarch as a figure head but if we where a true monarchy would that not be a dictatorship?

One supreme ruller and all that.

Also where have i said roll over?

We're also not a commonwealth (whatever you think that means) we are a member of the commonwealth, we did used to call it our empire though. But 2 world wars kinda lost us the last of the empire.

We've fought far more than 2 world wars.

We've been at war for the last 14 or so years too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

We, it's a simple word.

You and I.

Our governments, our intelligence officers, our pilots, our soilders, our population.

Us, all of us.

An act of war, an unusual act inspired by the asymmetric war we are fighting.

If this had been a bomber that had dropped a 500lb bomb into the parade what would you have called it then.

"an unusual act"...a fitting term of condolence to someone I hope.

I answered your question yet you avoid mine.

Yes it is an unusual and unconventional act of war, just like kamikaze pilots or the comando raid on the port of st nazaire where unusual when they where the first of thier kind.

Is it any more of a condolence than "acceptable casualties" or "collateral damage"?

St nazaire was German occupied !! After the raid 228 men of the force of 611 returned to Britain; 169 were killed and 215 became prisoners of war. Hmmmm

Yes?

Hence it was an unusual and unconventional tactic, at the time.

I'm glad you looked it up on Wikipedia it's certainly an interesting event but im not too sure what you're getting at

You mentioned it !! And yes as a country defending itself in ww2 it was a a victorious defence !!!

Yes i mentioned it as an example of unusual attacks.

As you've pointed out unusual attacks work well.

Well ok, let our country GB , roll over and just do what's right for humanity hey!! And see where that gets us.

We as a country are a commonwealth and monarchy led we are far from dictatorship or communism of other country's. And that's because we have fought 2 world wars to be here!!!! "

Lol after the Policy of Appeasement didn't work

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

We, it's a simple word.

You and I.

Our governments, our intelligence officers, our pilots, our soilders, our population.

Us, all of us.

An act of war, an unusual act inspired by the asymmetric war we are fighting.

If this had been a bomber that had dropped a 500lb bomb into the parade what would you have called it then.

"an unusual act"...a fitting term of condolence to someone I hope.

I answered your question yet you avoid mine.

Yes it is an unusual and unconventional act of war, just like kamikaze pilots or the comando raid on the port of st nazaire where unusual when they where the first of thier kind.

Is it any more of a condolence than "acceptable casualties" or "collateral damage"?

St nazaire was German occupied !! After the raid 228 men of the force of 611 returned to Britain; 169 were killed and 215 became prisoners of war. Hmmmm

Yes?

Hence it was an unusual and unconventional tactic, at the time.

I'm glad you looked it up on Wikipedia it's certainly an interesting event but im not too sure what you're getting at

You mentioned it !! And yes as a country defending itself in ww2 it was a a victorious defence !!!

Yes i mentioned it as an example of unusual attacks.

As you've pointed out unusual attacks work well.

Well ok, let our country GB , roll over and just do what's right for humanity hey!! And see where that gets us.

We as a country are a commonwealth and monarchy led we are far from dictatorship or communism of other country's. And that's because we have fought 2 world wars to be here!!!!

Ermmm... you realise the communists were on our side for both of those world wars.

And we're hardly a monarchy, we have a monarch as a figure head but if we where a true monarchy would that not be a dictatorship?

One supreme ruller and all that.

Also where have i said roll over?

We're also not a commonwealth (whatever you think that means) we are a member of the commonwealth, we did used to call it our empire though. But 2 world wars kinda lost us the last of the empire.

We've fought far more than 2 world wars.

We've been at war for the last 14 or so years too."

Ok silly me!! World war 14!!! Sigh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

80 dead

so sad

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By *ikeC81Man over a year ago

harrow

After being in nice 2 weeks ago it was a lovely place people friendly nice good and weather

Shocked

My thoughts are with the people of nice and of France

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"80 dead

so sad

84 now , many of them children. Lots of children in surgery have serious operations. They were just watching fireworks, I've been there before and it's such a family event. I feel incredibly sad today.

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People keep saying the civillians the west kill is collateral damage but we are attacking the leaders and soldiers of the extremists and yes innocent people die which is wrong . On the other hand extremists are just attacking innocent people they arent attacking the houses of parliment or a military hq and innocent people arr dying they are going straight for innocent civillians now thats the difference

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Words fail me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Poor sods. I love France and it saddens me to see these attacks out there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Awful

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So so sad god bless them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

They have named the suspect as mohamed, a ISIS fanatic french - Tunisian.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's just bloody awful, makes you wonder what will be next, how do you plan for such attacks when you have no idea what they'll use as a weapon. How do you fight people who are happy to die for their cause. It's frightening.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

10 kids. So far.

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By *lacksausageMan over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

ALL I can say about some of the heated exchanges above is this:

ALL LIVES MATTER. LETS ALL STOP KILLING.

LETS HELP STOP ALL KILLINGS

ALL LIVES MATTER!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"ALL I can say about some of the heated exchanges above is this:

ALL LIVES MATTER. LETS ALL STOP KILLING.

LETS HELP STOP ALL KILLINGS

ALL LIVES MATTER!"

Couldn't have put it better !

If everyone had this view we would all live in Peace !

How can that be wrong !

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By *eMontresMan over a year ago

Halesowen

"It's just bloody awful, makes you wonder what will be next, how do you plan for such attacks when you have no idea what they'll use as a weapon. How do you fight people who are happy to die for their cause. It's frightening.

Given that there have been around half a dozen similar attacks in France using vehicles in the last 12 months, and that daesh have been calling for individuals to use vehicles in this way, then one would have thought that the simple expedient of a police truck parked across the road as a road block, might have been an obvious counter measure.

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better."

The road is about 4 miles long, they would have to put a truck across every junction to have stopped it, not really feasible is it.

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By *lacksausageMan over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better."

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"They have named the suspect as mohamed, a ISIS fanatic french - Tunisian."
thats odd cos all oi have seen is that he was a local petty thief unknown to the anti terorist police maybe radiclised but hardly a "fanatic "

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By *eMontresMan over a year ago

Halesowen

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

The road is about 4 miles long, they would have to put a truck across every junction to have stopped it, not really feasible is it. "

There are only 19 Junctions off Rue de France leading to Promenade des Anglais.

1 police car at each feeder road and a police truck at each end of the Promenade - hardly a full scale mass mobilisation of resources.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would suggest that anyone who carries out such heinous acts is a fanatic?

Maybe not IS directed but certainly inspired. Probably disenchanted in life, mental health issues or some other reason. Sadly there will be more.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Being at the fan zone for the euros and La Rochelle port for Bastille day I would say the security measures I witnessed were adequate.

Every single person was thoroughly searched the fan zone and bags checked. There were armed police patrolling and many, many officers around.

I'm sorry, but the only think stopping at a truck is a bigger truck and you can't have them everywhere or people wouldn't be able to get in.

There is only so much governments can do and terrorists always find a way.

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By *eMontresMan over a year ago

Halesowen

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?"

Not sure what your point is.

The intelligence was heavily caveated and inconclusive - the intelligence services clearly stated this.

Blair chose to ignore this and sexed the document up.

But quite how that relates to the consistent failures of French intelligence regarding terrorist activity in their country, I fail to understand.

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By *lacksausageMan over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

The point is this: people are dead. This is not the time to lambast intelligence failures.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?"

This thread is about what happened in Nice, have some decency and respect, don't hijack it for your own agenda, if you want to talk about tony Blair and his failings then start a specific thread in the political section.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Not sure what your point is.

The intelligence was heavily caveated and inconclusive - the intelligence services clearly stated this.

Blair chose to ignore this and sexed the document up.

But quite how that relates to the consistent failures of French intelligence regarding terrorist activity in their country, I fail to understand."

Consistent failures? Unless they were surveillance the individual or had intelligence to suggest he was an extremist, then I hardly think such an accusation is valid?

Unfortunately they are dealing in the commodity of the human mind. Highly unpredictable and difficult to profile without resources and informants. It's not ineffective practices that caused this.

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By *eMontresMan over a year ago

Halesowen

"The point is this: people are dead. This is not the time to lambast intelligence failures."

We can't help the dead, all we can do is mourn.

12 terrorist attacks in France in the last 18 months.

To help the living carry on living, this is exactly the time to lambast the security/intelligence services, and try to understand how things can be improved.

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By *lacksausageMan over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Go have a word with yourself. Have the decency to understand what you read before you decide that you want to attack someone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Sadly seems he hijacks every thread for his own agenda

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Go have a word with yourself. Have the decency to understand what you read before you decide that you want to attack someone."

Whatever Trevor, I didn't attack you or anybody else

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By *lacksausageMan over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Sadly seems he hijacks every thread for his own agenda "

You can focus on whatever you want. A people are mourning. A whole country is mourning. All I said was hey, intelligence failure happens. But lets not focus on that NOW. It IS mourning time. Whats wrong with that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Sadly seems he hijacks every thread for his own agenda

Get over yourself with your fake grief.

Your yet again trying to put your own spin on it

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"There is no words to describe the barbary of those disgusting acts !

I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage".

The term is correct when its used to describe the accidental killing of innocent civilians... however this was no accident, this was deliberate, and he knew there would be young and old, families, children, and he kept driving and zig-zagging to kill as many as possible.

Do not attempt to compare what happens when scum are targeted, with what happened in Nice.

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By *lacksausageMan over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Sadly seems he hijacks every thread for his own agenda

Get over yourself with your fake grief.

Your yet again trying to put your own spin on it"

Not my fault that you cant get it. The gentleman who was directly 'talking' to me has reread the post and has realised that I meant no harm. I tell you what; think whatever.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Sadly seems he hijacks every thread for his own agenda

Get over yourself with your fake grief.

Your yet again trying to put your own spin on it

Not my fault that you cant get it. The gentleman who was directly 'talking' to me has reread the post and has realised that I meant no harm. I tell you what; think whatever."

Don't speak for me please, I realised no such thing. I think harm and offence is exactly what you meant, not just here but in most of your threads or posts. I'm obviously not the only one to have noticed.

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By *lacksausageMan over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Sadly seems he hijacks every thread for his own agenda

Get over yourself with your fake grief.

Your yet again trying to put your own spin on it

Not my fault that you cant get it. The gentleman who was directly 'talking' to me has reread the post and has realised that I meant no harm. I tell you what; think whatever.

Feel free. Think what you want. Accuse me of fake grief. Go on. Have fun while doing it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Sadly seems he hijacks every thread for his own agenda

Get over yourself with your fake grief.

Your yet again trying to put your own spin on it

Not my fault that you cant get it. The gentleman who was directly 'talking' to me has reread the post and has realised that I meant no harm. I tell you what; think whatever.

Feel free. Think what you want. Accuse me of fake grief. Go on. Have fun while doing it."

It was me that accused you of fake grief not him.

I also think your trying to raise issue and bring up racial hatred.

They are clearly your issues and have nothing what so ever to do with the original post, so let me remind you lorry hits people enjoying a evening out 84 confirmed dead of those 16 children, 50 in a serious condition who might not make it on top of that over 200 injured and hundreds now with ptsd from what they saw last night.

A child resuscitating his mother without sucsess she leaves behind 7 children.

A man sat at the side of his dead partner holding her hand trying to comprihend what happened and how his life has been changed forever.

So please don't chuck in the bullshit about governments and Tony Blair. The government may not be perfect and I don't think they are but they know far more than we do about terrorism and protect us daily from fanatics.

If you don't like the way our government run the country go live somewhere else but I assure you the grass isn't always greener.

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By *lacksausageMan over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Sadly seems he hijacks every thread for his own agenda

Get over yourself with your fake grief.

Your yet again trying to put your own spin on it

Not my fault that you cant get it. The gentleman who was directly 'talking' to me has reread the post and has realised that I meant no harm. I tell you what; think whatever.

Feel free. Think what you want. Accuse me of fake grief. Go on. Have fun while doing it.

It was me that accused you of fake grief not him.

I also think your trying to raise issue and bring up racial hatred.

A child resuscitating his mother without sucsess she leaves behind 7 children.

A man sat at the side of his dead partner holding her hand trying to comprihend what happened and how his life has been changed forever.

If you don't like the way our government run the country go live somewhere else but I assure you the grass isn't always greener. "

Raise race issues? It is clear you have issues. Do you even know the racial composition of the victims?? You dont so if I tell someone who is trying to lambast French authorities that there is a time and place etc, he/she should take it easy in this time of MOURNING and all you can see is A BLACK GUY ATTEMPTING TO RAISE RACE ISSUES, then really there is no point have a discourse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Sadly seems he hijacks every thread for his own agenda

Get over yourself with your fake grief.

Your yet again trying to put your own spin on it

Not my fault that you cant get it. The gentleman who was directly 'talking' to me has reread the post and has realised that I meant no harm. I tell you what; think whatever.

Feel free. Think what you want. Accuse me of fake grief. Go on. Have fun while doing it.

It was me that accused you of fake grief not him.

I also think your trying to raise issue and bring up racial hatred.

A child resuscitating his mother without sucsess she leaves behind 7 children.

A man sat at the side of his dead partner holding her hand trying to comprihend what happened and how his life has been changed forever.

If you don't like the way our government run the country go live somewhere else but I assure you the grass isn't always greener.

Also like to point out was you that said that not me so think my point is proved.

I couldn't care what the race compositions are to be honest it only matters to me people have been killed children have lost parents, parents have lost children.

oh and by the way no need to use caps I have perfectly good eyesight thanks so words don't need highlighting for me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is so very very sad to hear. Listening to it on the radio today

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Sadly seems he hijacks every thread for his own agenda

Get over yourself with your fake grief.

Your yet again trying to put your own spin on it

Not my fault that you cant get it. The gentleman who was directly 'talking' to me has reread the post and has realised that I meant no harm. I tell you what; think whatever.

Feel free. Think what you want. Accuse me of fake grief. Go on. Have fun while doing it.

It was me that accused you of fake grief not him.

I also think your trying to raise issue and bring up racial hatred.

A child resuscitating his mother without sucsess she leaves behind 7 children.

A man sat at the side of his dead partner holding her hand trying to comprihend what happened and how his life has been changed forever.

If you don't like the way our government run the country go live somewhere else but I assure you the grass isn't always greener.

Why couldn't you just let the good people of fab have this thread to express their sorrow and sympathy for those that have died and lost loved ones. I think the only racist here is you, you are the only person to mention the colour of your skin and by doing so you have proved Bumblebea right. There is a time and a place for that, this thread isn't it.

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By *lacksausageMan over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

So sorry for the French, weak government, shambolic security services, piss poor intelligence.

They deserve better.

Is this intelligence any worse than what one Tony relied on a little over a decade ago?

Sadly seems he hijacks every thread for his own agenda

Get over yourself with your fake grief.

Your yet again trying to put your own spin on it

Not my fault that you cant get it. The gentleman who was directly 'talking' to me has reread the post and has realised that I meant no harm. I tell you what; think whatever.

Feel free. Think what you want. Accuse me of fake grief. Go on. Have fun while doing it.

It was me that accused you of fake grief not him.

I also think your trying to raise issue and bring up racial hatred.

A child resuscitating his mother without sucsess she leaves behind 7 children.

A man sat at the side of his dead partner holding her hand trying to comprihend what happened and how his life has been changed forever.

If you don't like the way our government run the country go live somewhere else but I assure you the grass isn't always greener.

A spade IS a spade. Go back and read through the posts. Probably too hard for you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is no words to describe the barbary of those disgusting acts !

I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage".

Do not attempt to compare what happens when scum are targeted, with what happened in Nice."

Thankyou. Civilian casualties are a horrific by-product or war that cannot be overlooked, but there's a HUGE difference between that, and directly targeting them. The actions of our governments overseas, and terrorists on our doorstep do not run parallel in the slightest.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I just wanted to thank the mods for their careful handling on this thread. It has not gone unnoticed x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did notice your choice of first comment in the thread. Again, who is the "we" who describe innocent victims of drone attacks as "collateral damage"?

How would you describe this, tonight?

We, it's a simple word.

You and I.

Our governments, our intelligence officers, our pilots, our soilders, our population.

Us, all of us.

An act of war, an unusual act inspired by the asymmetric war we are fighting.

If this had been a bomber that had dropped a 500lb bomb into the parade what would you have called it then.

"an unusual act"...a fitting term of condolence to someone I hope.

I answered your question yet you avoid mine.

Yes it is an unusual and unconventional act of war, just like kamikaze pilots or the comando raid on the port of st nazaire where unusual when they where the first of thier kind.

Is it any more of a condolence than "acceptable casualties" or "collateral damage"?

St nazaire was German occupied !! After the raid 228 men of the force of 611 returned to Britain; 169 were killed and 215 became prisoners of war. Hmmmm

Yes?

Hence it was an unusual and unconventional tactic, at the time.

I'm glad you looked it up on Wikipedia it's certainly an interesting event but im not too sure what you're getting at

You mentioned it !! And yes as a country defending itself in ww2 it was a a victorious defence !!!

Yes i mentioned it as an example of unusual attacks.

As you've pointed out unusual attacks work well.

Well ok, let our country GB , roll over and just do what's right for humanity hey!! And see where that gets us.

We as a country are a commonwealth and monarchy led we are far from dictatorship or communism of other country's. And that's because we have fought 2 world wars to be here!!!!

Ermmm... you realise the communists were on our side for both of those world wars.

And we're hardly a monarchy, we have a monarch as a figure head but if we where a true monarchy would that not be a dictatorship?

One supreme ruller and all that.

Also where have i said roll over?

We're also not a commonwealth (whatever you think that means) we are a member of the commonwealth, we did used to call it our empire though. But 2 world wars kinda lost us the last of the empire.

We've fought far more than 2 world wars.

We've been at war for the last 14 or so years too.

Ok silly me!! World war 14!!! Sigh "

14? No iraq and Afghanistan.

Iirc vietnam was abour 15 years not sure if weve passed that point yet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People keep saying the civillians the west kill is collateral damage but we are attacking the leaders and soldiers of the extremists and yes innocent people die which is wrong . On the other hand extremists are just attacking innocent people they arent attacking the houses of parliment or a military hq and innocent people arr dying they are going straight for innocent civillians now thats the difference"
cause they can't.

We've made it impossible to attack our comanders so they will attack the only targets left to them

Can't blame them for that.

We couldn't kill hitler but we happily bombef his civilians into a hellish smoke filled death, see the fire bombing of dresden

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is no words to describe the barbary of those disgusting acts !

I belive the words we use when we burn, and shred the bodies of women and children with scalding shrapnel from a missile fired from a drone is...."collateral damage".

Do not attempt to compare what happens when scum are targeted, with what happened in Nice."

Oh I'm sorry did you think the killings were accidental?

They are not.

They are deliberate, they are considered acceptable casulaties for securing the target.

Say mr ISIS comander is in his car with his wife child and driver.

The driver is no doubt a solider as is he, acceptable targets.

The wife and child are the accepted collateral damage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Being at the fan zone for the euros and La Rochelle port for Bastille day I would say the security measures I witnessed were adequate.

Every single person was thoroughly searched the fan zone and bags checked. There were armed police patrolling and many, many officers around.

I'm sorry, but the only think stopping at a truck is a bigger truck and you can't have them everywhere or people wouldn't be able to get in.

There is only so much governments can do and terrorists always find a way. "

What's interesting is the extent thisbhas infiltrated british archetechture.

Forexample arsenal's stadium the area where many people congregate is seperated with the big set of letters spelling "ARESENAL" but those letters are actually not just a bit of decoration or publicity signage theyre reinforced barriers deisnged to stip a 7 ton lorry at full speed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We live in an awful world where terrorists attacks are becoming a regular occurance

my heart gos out to the people of Nice and there President

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Isn't it sad that a thread about an horrific attack, the footage of which is horrific, the photos heart rending. It won't be the just the deaths, life changing injuries , there will many with long term psychological damage and PTSD. Families and friendships torn apart. So many children killed, maimed and affected. Yet people cannot just mourn on here: others have to still have their own agenda and score points against others. They were people with names not just collateral damage: real people with lives still to live.

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