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Black lives matter vrs All lives matter

By *lacksausage OP Man over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Let's move on. People of a certain skin tone believe the police are gunning them down without a correct legal justification and so they decide to protest. They call their movement, BLACK LIVES MATTER.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

all life's do matter, no ifs or buts

but also, show respect: Back the Blue

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not worried i think.

Because the people supporting black lives matter are more intelligent.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?"

What would you be worried about? People thinking your life matters as much as theirs?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?"

Stradegy of the establishment to destabilise the movement.

They are righlty trying to defend themselves against racial bias, and in that case, it kills, and you have an asshole to point them out and say no 'All lives matter' !

As if they were underlying that black live are better than another !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't really understand your question? Maybe im just tired but why would you be worried?

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By *lacksausage OP Man over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What would you be worried about? People thinking your life matters as much as theirs?

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Where was the ALL movement when the BLACK movement was being gunned down? That is my actual question.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People who say 'save the rainforest' aren't saying 'fuck all other forests'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What would you be worried about? People thinking your life matters as much as theirs?

Where was the ALL movement when the BLACK movement was being gunned down? That is my actual question.

It was busy defending it's right to bear arms against the establishment should that establishment get out of line. Waiting for it to slag off the black community for doing just that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What would you be worried about? People thinking your life matters as much as theirs?

Where was the ALL movement when the BLACK movement was being gunned down? That is my actual question.

And you are totally right!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?"

After going onto the "Black Lives Matter" website and reading its wording, it does occur to me that it comes across as a racist website

have a read and make your own mind up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BLM is an actual movement. All lives matter is just a response. When you see adverts on tv saying "save the tigers, they're endangered", they're not saying fuck the lions and all the other endangered animals and shit, they're just asking you to look out for them. I don't think many people disagree with the principle of blm, just the practice, idk

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?"

I think what's concerning is that these legitimate movements seem to always become high jacked by agent provocateurs for they own ends. This then allows the original "aggressors" to be able to say "look, we told you what they were like!" And so the vicious circle spins ever on sadly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?"

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What would you be worried about? People thinking your life matters as much as theirs?

Where was the ALL movement when the BLACK movement was being gunned down? That is my actual question.

Looked like it was the black movement that was doint the gunning the other day

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By *lacksausage OP Man over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

After going onto the "Black Lives Matter" website and reading its wording, it does occur to me that it comes across as a racist website

have a read and make your own mind up"

Nice job. A lot of folks will very happily donate a fat fiver a month ( ongoing Direct Debit at that) to the save an elphant/ dog/ cat fund and sleep well in the belief they are doing a good deed. But HUMAN BEINGS of a certain colour protest they are being treated unfairly/illegally and bingo HUMAN BEINGS ( of a different colour) say, "TOO MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING"

But hey, I guess it is STILL too early for people of a certain shade to protest because they ARE being killed.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people"

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By *arnayguyMan over a year ago

Durham Tees

I just wish black lives mattered more to some black people. The statistics for black on black murder in the US are horrific.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"I just wish black lives mattered more to some black people. The statistics for black on black murder in the US are horrific. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a bit like when I say to people that some men are dicks, and they reply with 'not all men'.

They are not saying 'white lives do not matter'. They are saying 'black lives are being ended at a higher rate than they should be statistically. Black lives matter as much as everybody elses.'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's a bit like when I say to people that some men are dicks, and they reply with 'not all men'.

They are not saying 'white lives do not matter'. They are saying 'black lives are being ended at a higher rate than they should be statistically. Black lives matter as much as everybody elses.'"

Why on earth some people struggling to see that ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people

The thing that is not being highlighted is that some of the people that have been caught in the crossfire are criminals and involved in criminal activity - so what do they expect if at some unfortunate point they get shot because they are breaking the law.

However, in respect of people who are innocents and shot where they aren't criminals...then at that point all Lives Matter not just black Lives

Sick and tired of hearing the race card used over and over - pissed me off when I heard that lady saying to the family of the police officer shot by a sniper "welcome to our world" - wtf hardly the same thing!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

After going onto the "Black Lives Matter" website and reading its wording, it does occur to me that it comes across as a racist website

have a read and make your own mind up

But hey, I guess it is STILL too early for people of a certain shade to protest because they ARE being killed."

PDSA is a fantastic charity, I donate £12 per month, it is rewarding to sponsor a dog and see it prosper

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?"

I am probably going to attract all sorts of accusations about being racist, but I think that NO ONE should be gunned down whatever their skin colour or ethnic background nor their religion or sexual orientation. However, I am totally sick of black people spouting off that they are the only ones being targeted and persecuted when it isn't exactly true. So far as I am concerned, All Lives Matter and the sooner we get past the skin colour and start looking at the person, the better. (Braced for the fall-out).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

why a fall-out

RedQueen you are spot on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people

However, in respect of people who are innocents and shot where they aren't criminals...then at that point all Lives Matter not just black Lives

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a giolent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

why a fall-out

RedQueen you are spot on

You get another spot on from me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can't believe what I am reading, I shall leave this thread, I am getting upset with some of the comments !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a giolent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

And part of 'black lives matter' is looking at the societal conditions that mean people of colour are forced into lives of crime and violence in many cases.

It's all fucked. It all needs to be fixed.

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By *lacksausage OP Man over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

"I can't believe what I am reading, I shall leave this thread, I am getting upset with some of the comments !

Gentleman, do not get upset. Pls so not. That is how the game is won and lost.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a giolent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

And part of 'black lives matter' is looking at the societal conditions that mean people of colour are forced into lives of crime and violence in many cases.

It's all fucked. It all needs to be fixed."

Im guessing these societal conitions are "its all white peoples fault".

Or in our ops terms "perople of a certain shade".

Remember folks if youre q white male you choose to be a criminal, if youre a woman it a minority it was a life forced upon you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is the same as the white farmers in afrika being attacked under mogabes reign.

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By *isa 59Woman over a year ago

Newcastle

I'm possibly a bit off subject here but one of the difficulties I have is that I find it hard to compare how we all live in the UK with how all cultures live in the USA. There will be good and bad on all sides and we will probably never get to hear the true facts.

This morning I watched a programme about LA's Grim Sleeper...a convicted black serial killer who is believed to have killed between 10-25 black women over a period of about 25 years. The scary thing is that he may also be responsible for the disappearance, and possible murder, of at least 180 black women in total. One of the questions raised was that if these women had been white would it have taken the police so long to catch the killer and subsequently save a lot of lives?

People can be killed by inaction too!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What would you be worried about? People thinking your life matters as much as theirs?

Where was the ALL movement when the BLACK movement was being gunned down? That is my actual question.

Then you should have asked that actual question, it was nowhere to be seen in your original post.

The black movement were not being gunned down, black people were. That sparked a public outcry and demonstrations of #blacklivesmatter.

Whenever there are protests about something people start alternative movements. Either against what the original movement was about or hilighting, in this case, that we all have a right to life and each and everyone of us matter. It doesn't detract from the black lives matter movement. It isn't in opposition to it.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

After going onto the "Black Lives Matter" website and reading its wording, it does occur to me that it comes across as a racist website

have a read and make your own mind up

But hey, I guess it is STILL too early for people of a certain shade to protest because they ARE being killed.

PDSA is a fantastic charity, I donate £12 per month, it is rewarding to sponsor a dog and see it prosper"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Saying all lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems of the all black lives matter group, that's what isn't right.

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By *lacksausage OP Man over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

To the Americans reading this thread, I say there is a reason Mr Trump is popular. To the Brits reading this, I say do not be worried Trump is so popular because after all, there is a certain Mr Farage whose following grew quite remarkably.

To the 'officer' on the thread, I say a needle,a knife, a pen, a molotov cocktail, a javelin, an airplane, a March, an AK,a vest ETC are all weapons of fighting. It is all a matter of time, means,opportunity,motive and orientation. Water as they say, will always find its level.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" It isn't in opposition to it. "

Well yes, it is.

People who started the 'all lives matter' movement did it deliberately to silence the voices of the black movement.

THAT is problematic. Very problematic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To the Americans reading this thread, I say there is a reason Mr Trump is popular. To the Brits reading this, I say do not be worried Trump is so popular because after all, there is a certain Mr Farage whose following grew quite remarkably.

So is the second half thier a badly ohrased threat against the officer or just jibber jabber?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" It isn't in opposition to it.

Well yes, it is.

People who started the 'all lives matter' movement did it deliberately to silence the voices of the black movement.

THAT is problematic. Very problematic."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Saying all lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems of the all black lives matter group, that's what isn't right."

saying black lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems caused by the group too, which isnt right.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Saying all lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems of the all black lives matter group, that's what isn't right.

saying black lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems caused by the group too, which isnt right."

Which problems?

Also, don't forget anonymous had people doing stuff in their name who weren't really a part of what they stood for.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Saying all lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems of the all black lives matter group, that's what isn't right.

saying black lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems caused by the group too, which isnt right.

Which problems?

Also, don't forget anonymous had people doing stuff in their name who weren't really a part of what they stood for."

Well the statistics that are the reason this situation ever occured in the first place?

BLM always try to present black people as poor victims with a few genuine cases as the headliners then use the mass statistics to try and portray all those statistics as equally wrong events.

When the majority are not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Saying all lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems of the all black lives matter group, that's what isn't right.

saying black lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems caused by the group too, which isnt right.

Which problems?

Also, don't forget anonymous had people doing stuff in their name who weren't really a part of what they stood for.

Well the statistics that are the reason this situation ever occured in the first place?

BLM always try to present black people as poor victims with a few genuine cases as the headliners then use the mass statistics to try and portray all those statistics as equally wrong events.

When the majority are not.

All lives matter...do they not? Or are we picking and choosing now?

That is my response to that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Saying all lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems of the all black lives matter group, that's what isn't right.

saying black lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems caused by the group too, which isnt right.

Which problems?

Also, don't forget anonymous had people doing stuff in their name who weren't really a part of what they stood for.

Well the statistics that are the reason this situation ever occured in the first place?

BLM always try to present black people as poor victims with a few genuine cases as the headliners then use the mass statistics to try and portray all those statistics as equally wrong events.

When the majority are not.

All lives matter...do they not? Or are we picking and choosing now?

That is my response to that."

What does the value of a life matter have to do with the statistical probability of being involved in a violent confrontation?

Actually your point proves mine.

All lives are equal - hence the group most often involved in violent interactions with the police has the highest rate of negative out comes.

Irrespective of any defining feature the reason is purely frequency

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a giolent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

And part of 'black lives matter' is looking at the societal conditions that mean people of colour are forced into lives of crime and violence in many cases.

It's all fucked. It all needs to be fixed."

I live amongst a lot of black people. What societal conditions do they have that are different to everyone else?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My grandson is white,his group of friends are predominantly black. He makes decisions to not go to parties or places they sometimes go because there will be trouble. They don't make the same decisions and some of them get into trouble with the police for it. No one forced them to get involved in gang fights,or to take knives and stab each other. They chose.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a giolent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

And part of 'black lives matter' is looking at the societal conditions that mean people of colour are forced into lives of crime and violence in many cases.

It's all fucked. It all needs to be fixed.

I live amongst a lot of black people. What societal conditions do they have that are different to everyone else? "
systematic white supremacist heteronormative capitalist imperialist patriarchy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Saying all lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems of the all black lives matter group, that's what isn't right.

saying black lives matter is being used to dismiss the problems caused by the group too, which isnt right.

Which problems?

Also, don't forget anonymous had people doing stuff in their name who weren't really a part of what they stood for.

Well the statistics that are the reason this situation ever occured in the first place?

BLM always try to present black people as poor victims with a few genuine cases as the headliners then use the mass statistics to try and portray all those statistics as equally wrong events.

When the majority are not.

All lives matter...do they not? Or are we picking and choosing now?

That is my response to that.

What does the value of a life matter have to do with the statistical probability of being involved in a violent confrontation?

Actually your point proves mine.

All lives are equal - hence the group most often involved in violent interactions with the police has the highest rate of negative out comes.

Irrespective of any defining feature the reason is purely frequency "

We're far from equality at all, although all lives SHOULD be equal (in a perfect world).

I'm not saying every person is the same either, i know some people out there are beyond help, beyond being equal and think they have the right to be above the law and are dickheads and are not really trying to be any part of a civilised society. That goes for the state employed police as well as anyone else (not sure if the police are a privately owned business in the US actually).

We will always have problems when people are being threatened, when their safety is being threatened and their lives. This also goes for the police as well as anyone else.

It's why we need proper, sane, people running things. Our communities, our governments, our planet. And until that happens these problems will continue.

But we are so far from true equality, on the whole, it's unbelievable. Although individually the majority of people are respecting others rights.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?"
Just watched a piece by a black woman , a mother ..A Black mother in America, The blacks are murdering each other every night ,in her words "why should white people give a fuck when you dont give a fuck about your own lives" not saying theres a few wrongs the police do"in every country" but op your sort of brandishing the race card on here which is in itself unexceptable

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?Just watched a piece by a black woman , a mother ..A Black mother in America, The blacks are murdering each other every night ,in her words "why should white people give a fuck when you dont give a fuck about your own lives" not saying theres a few wrongs the police do"in every country" but op your sort of brandishing the race card on here which is in itself unexceptable

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Piece is on facebook under politically inccorect# blacklivesmatter # ferguson

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

After going onto the "Black Lives Matter" website and reading its wording, it does occur to me that it comes across as a racist website

have a read and make your own mind up

But hey, I guess it is STILL too early for people of a certain shade to protest because they ARE being killed."
Who is shooting at you op

please look at the piece we have mentioned and get a view of the bigger picture from Blacks that are actually there

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?"

First of all, BLM are not saying that all lives don't matter.... what what they are rightly pointing out is that the "black" experience of dealing with the police is sometimes a whole lot different from those who happen to be white... and that is what those people who say "well all lives matter fail to recognise"

there are a lot of people who say "back the blue".... which is simplistic because it fails to recognise that some people wearing the uniform are unfit to wear it.... and it is that blind loyality that annoys and frustrates....

so i am going to ask those people a question....

"how many times have you, whether its out in the street on in a car for example, been stopped and searched?" because statistically my number is likely to be larger then yours... even though the actual arrests from it favour white people over black....

p.s if you have never been stopped and searched... trust me...not a nice experience!

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By *isandreTV/TS over a year ago

Durham

Wow. Rarely has my jaw dropped as much as reading this thread. I can't quite work out if it is pig ignorance or indeed racism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Rarely has my jaw dropped as much as reading this thread. I can't quite work out if it is pig ignorance or indeed racism.

Same here !

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By *ohnaronMan over a year ago

london

As a retired typical white Englishman I would like to point out that 5000 generations ago all our ancestors would have been black. Thats about 100 bus loads of people. Dark skin in northern lattitudes would have meant low vitamin D and girls would have been infertile and a very powerful selective pressure for pale skin viz almost white hair in Norway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You're sat at a restaurant with your family and the food is arriving. Everyone around the table gets food except you. To this you say "I deserve food", and your family say "Everyone deserves food" and continue to eat while you are still sat with nothing to eat.

Not sure how hard this is to understand but there are many videos out there explaining.

Murder is wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Rarely has my jaw dropped as much as reading this thread. I can't quite work out if it is pig ignorance or indeed racism.

A little bit of both I would say.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The media has something to answer for in this. The fact that black men are 3x more likely to.be shot shows the racial bias in cops and studies have shown it comes from black and white cops. The stories of cops being assaulted or shot and sometimes murdered don't get into national/global spotlight. The UK media has it's own bias about American race tensions and all the papers are trying to make a buck at the end of the day and making things sensational for a moment before the next crazy story . Support black lives and blue duties. I know far more great cops than bad but like all it only takes a few rotten apples to spoil the lot. Last year two cops on my community were shot down and killed when attempting to peacefully resolve a conflict over a sofa purchase. This case was a native American. It wa all recorded by cop cam and shows two very reasonable and calm men. They had no idea the gentleman's son had gone into the building for an assault rifle...poverty and the growing inequality in america also contributes massively. Its tragic and one of the reasons i haven't yet moved back to the states. TAKE THE GUNS AWAY!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

so i am going to ask those people a question....

p.s if you have never been stopped and searched... trust me...not a nice experience!"

On the face of it you're right there about statistics but unfortunately the statistics themselves don't paint a true picture of stop and search. The reason is because each time a person is stop and searched then the officer should submit a stop search record which includes the subjects ethnicity, the record is then added to a database but more often than not that record isn't completed so therefore no record of that search exists so is not included in any statistics. For example, one officer could stop and search ten white men and not submit a single record for any of those searches but that same officer might also stop and search two black men but because they might be accused of racist behaviour they will submit a record of both searches to justify why they have been done. So, on record there is a much higher number of black and ethnic minority people being stop and searched because a high percentage of searches of white people go unrecorded. HMIC have uncovered this discrepancy and new, more stringent recoding practices are being rolled out but they vary force to force but hopefully future statistics will be a truer reflection of reality. I hope that makes sense. The police in this country are poles apart from those in America. Can you imagine the police here turning up with a remote controlled bomb to blow someone up, it's rediculous. I can see wrong on both sides over there, some of the inicidents are blatantly very wrong on the part of the police and those officers have found themselves charged and put before the courts and rightly so, but murdering random white officers is very wrong too. I don't know what the answer is but it'll get worse before it gets better. I think the obvious answer is to have a major recruitment drive from those black communities that feel victimised and they may feel they are better represented within the force.

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

Most people writing here or indeed reading here have zilch experience of living in black society in America, or having black children there. Its very, very different from here ... hate to disappoint, but having lived in Los Angeles for ten year, married to an African American and teaching in East LA, where the Rodney King riots had been a few years before, the situation is one where people have been pushed, by various forces into living the life they can. There are not a lot of choices there. Sad to say my choice had to be to bring my children back here to be brought up fairly and treated more as equals, but, with views around as some on this thread, it obviously ain't gonna happen. Black teenagers are stereotyped even here, but it is nothing like what is happening in the US. We lived in California and ventured as far as Nevada and Texas and Arizona, too unsafe, as a mixed race family to visit my ex's roots in the deep south .... that is the reality of it there, as the rise of Trump shows. There has been plenty of level headed commentary about this from sociologists and the like, not need to spout off a lot of offensive shit here, because trust me, it really is offensive and ignorant if you haven't lived it. I am speaking as a white person who has been there in the thick of it ...

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Of course all lives matter but there are those who truly believe that black lives are less important.

Those stating that black movements are racist miss the point about the power balance, the history and the reality of many black people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Most people writing here or indeed reading here have zilch experience of living in black society in America, or having black children there. Its very, very different from here ... hate to disappoint, but having lived in Los Angeles for ten year, married to an African American and teaching in East LA, where the Rodney King riots had been a few years before, the situation is one where people have been pushed, by various forces into living the life they can. There are not a lot of choices there. Sad to say my choice had to be to bring my children back here to be brought up fairly and treated more as equals, but, with views around as some on this thread, it obviously ain't gonna happen. Black teenagers are stereotyped even here, but it is nothing like what is happening in the US. We lived in California and ventured as far as Nevada and Texas and Arizona, too unsafe, as a mixed race family to visit my ex's roots in the deep south .... that is the reality of it there, as the rise of Trump shows. There has been plenty of level headed commentary about this from sociologists and the like, not need to spout off a lot of offensive shit here, because trust me, it really is offensive and ignorant if you haven't lived it. I am speaking as a white person who has been there in the thick of it ..."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course all lives matter but there are those who truly believe that black lives are less important.

Those stating that black movements are racist miss the point about the power balance, the history and the reality of many black people.

The ignorance is astounding on here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course all lives matter but there are those who truly believe that black lives are less important.

Those stating that black movements are racist miss the point about the power balance, the history and the reality of many black people.

The ignorance is astounding on here. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well put. I agree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

so i am going to ask those people a question....

p.s if you have never been stopped and searched... trust me...not a nice experience!"

Statistically though more black people are reported suspects and so obviously more are searched as they match the description provided

Ironically this leads to "balancing" the stats in that white people are randomly stopped and searched purely because theyre white not because they match a reported description to try and keep the numbers vaugly even.

And its hardly a terrible experence we get reguarly randomly searched at work

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"all life's do matter, no ifs or buts

but also, show respect: Back the Blue

Respect is a 2 way street!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I just wish black lives mattered more to some black people. The statistics for black on black murder in the US are horrific. "

A bit like the stats on white on white rape or white on white collar crime.

People kill or fuck over people!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

reading some of the comments was so painful !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Rarely has my jaw dropped as much as reading this thread. I can't quite work out if it is pig ignorance or indeed racism.

Same here !

Me too.

I'm stunned. The op asked an open question and now apparently he's a racist, hating cops and wanting black domination of the world....Sweet Jesus, I'm heaving with disgust.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course all lives matter but there are those who truly believe that black lives are less important.

Those stating that black movements are racist miss the point about the power balance, the history and the reality of many black people.

The ignorance is astounding on here.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Wow. Rarely has my jaw dropped as much as reading this thread. I can't quite work out if it is pig ignorance or indeed racism.

Same here !

Me too.

I'm stunned. The op asked an open question and now apparently he's a racist, hating cops and wanting black domination of the world....Sweet Jesus, I'm heaving with disgust."

Yes, to make any criticism of the system, acknowledge that black people are treated in any way badly or differently and to question whether every police action is always right is tantamount to Fab treason.

Stop and search isn't that bad. The police are ALWAYS right. Black people speaking out are racist. It's simple really.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"reading some of the comments was so painful !

Don't let it be. Unfortunately there'll always be people with closed minds who THINK they know it all, yet actually know fuck all. I'm old enough to remember the 80s inner city riots and the reasons behind them. Not a great deal has changed it seems.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course all lives matter but there are those who truly believe that black lives are less important.

Those stating that black movements are racist miss the point about the power balance, the history and the reality of many black people.

This sums it up.

I've never seen BLM protestors say fuck other lives, ours are the most important. The essence is that ours matter too.

History shows that 'parity' began to come about in the lifetime of our parents and grandparents, and that will naturally tell you that there are still people around for who giving 'parity' doesn't sit well.

Whilst in essence I don't disagree that we all make choices, I do think that is a very simplistic way of looking at what is in fact a very complex issue.

Additionally, we know the stats on black on black crime are horrific. We also know that is not the issue being referenced or discussed. Please stop trying to detract from the essence of the message.

Might be just me, but it reads as 'If you lot kill each other it's only fair we can kill you too'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course all lives matter but there are those who truly believe that black lives are less important.

Those stating that black movements are racist miss the point about the power balance, the history and the reality of many black people.

This sums it up.

I've never seen BLM protestors say fuck other lives, ours are the most important. The essence is that ours matter too.

Whilst in essence I don't disagree that we all make choices, I do think that is a very simplistic way of looking at what is in fact a very complex issue.

Additionally, we know the stats on black on black crime are horrific. We also know that is not the issue being referenced or discussed. Please stop trying to detract from the essence of the message.

Might be just me, but it reads as 'If you lot kill each other it's only fair we can kill you too'

This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course all lives matter but there are those who truly believe that black lives are less important.

Those stating that black movements are racist miss the point about the power balance, the history and the reality of many black people.

The ignorance is astounding on here.

So you think organisations such as MOVE aren't racist?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've never seen BLM protestors say fuck other lives, ours are the most important. The essence is that ours matter too.

Well one did....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not even going to address some of the racism and bigotry exhibited on this thread. But can I just say thank you to the OP. You've allowed me to see some of the racists within fab and people I will most definitely avoid!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've never seen BLM protestors say fuck other lives, ours are the most important. The essence is that ours matter too.

Well one did...."

If you are referring to the Dallas shooter, I am sure that it was noted he wasn't working with or on behalf of any organisation or group and was a 'lone wolf'.

As such, he should not be considered a BLM protester.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

so i am going to ask those people a question....

p.s if you have never been stopped and searched... trust me...not a nice experience!"

As a teenager and into my early 20s I was stopped and searched on a regular basis. Sometimes twice a day.

I was not arrested one single time on the back of it.

Do I gate the police? No.

Did it affect me? No.

Do you make a relevant point? No.

People of all colours, races and beliefs get stopped by the police all the time. Only the bitches wine about it

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Of course all lives matter but there are those who truly believe that black lives are less important.

Those stating that black movements are racist miss the point about the power balance, the history and the reality of many black people.

The ignorance is astounding on here.

So you think organisations such as MOVE aren't racist?"

No, fundamentally, I don't. I think the experiences and history faced by those black people led to a particular set of circumstances.

I know what black on black racism looks and feels like. I know what white on black racism looks and feels like. I have never experienced true black on white racism because the systemic power does not lie with black people.

To use the non-systemic, individual cases of black people being racist to white people (or each other) is to conflate two things and try and make them equal. They are not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've never seen BLM protestors say fuck other lives, ours are the most important. The essence is that ours matter too.

I heard it too on youtube, it was a whole group saying it.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I've never seen BLM protestors say fuck other lives, ours are the most important. The essence is that ours matter too.

I heard it too on youtube, it was a whole group saying it."

Please post the link.

I am very dubious of this claim.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've never seen BLM protestors say fuck other lives, ours are the most important. The essence is that ours matter too.

I heard it too on youtube, it was a whole group saying it."

Didn't say it's never happened, said I've never heard it. Quite clearly in this digital age its highly likely you can find some source, YT video or blog that supports whatever you want to say.

I could take a video right now with an ISIS, BLM or any other 'association' t shirt/logo. It doesn't mean I'm speaking on behalf of the group.

This discussion works best when we apply logic, reason and rational thinking

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Its a sensitive topic and extremely tragic. The OP asked if he should be concerned by the All Lives Matter response to Dallas. No he shouldn't. And everyone should support BLM. Many Brits here don't understand the situation in the States. There is more than just racisn to this though. Lets heal and grow stronger together.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course all lives matter but there are those who truly believe that black lives are less important.

Those stating that black movements are racist miss the point about the power balance, the history and the reality of many black people.

The ignorance is astounding on here.

So you think organisations such as MOVE aren't racist?

No, fundamentally, I don't. I think the experiences and history faced by those black people led to a particular set of circumstances.

To use the non-systemic, individual cases of black people being racist to white people (or each other) is to conflate two things and try and make them equal. They are not.

Ah right ao you can have organisations that are basicaly the klu klux klan for black people murdering white people but thats not racist because of some bollcoks about "systemic power".

The systemic power that lies with the most unsupported group, the highest suicide rate and highest victim rate for violent crime.

Coolio

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Of course all lives matter but there are those who truly believe that black lives are less important.

Those stating that black movements are racist miss the point about the power balance, the history and the reality of many black people.

The ignorance is astounding on here.

So you think organisations such as MOVE aren't racist?

No, fundamentally, I don't. I think the experiences and history faced by those black people led to a particular set of circumstances.

To use the non-systemic, individual cases of black people being racist to white people (or each other) is to conflate two things and try and make them equal. They are not.

Ah right ao you can have organisations that are basicaly the klu klux klan for black people murdering white people but thats not racist because of some bollcoks about "systemic power".

The systemic power that lies with the most unsupported group, the highest suicide rate and highest victim rate for violent crime.

Coolio"

Did it start out the way the KKK did? NO! Look at the history.

Nothing I have said indicates or implies in any way that I support MOVE or any other group that chooses hatred and violence but, I repeat this so that you may understand, giving reactionary racism the same view as systemic racism misses more than one point.

I have spent nearly 40 years, as a child and then in my adult working life, fighting racism and trying to understand what makes people racist. Whatever I say you will respond as you have done. You choose to stoke those flames by bringing two arguments together that lead to the whole world being blind with an 'eye for an eye' response.

I won't reply to you again as I now remember why I stopped replying to you when you were here before.

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By *o-jCouple over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts

The Uk has football hooligans , which are a disgraces to our society , america has guns , what the hell do we think will happen ?

Jo x

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

so i am going to ask those people a question....

p.s if you have never been stopped and searched... trust me...not a nice experience!

As a teenager and into my early 20s I was stopped and searched on a regular basis. Sometimes twice a day.

I was not arrested one single time on the back of it.

Do I gate the police? No.

Did it affect me? No.

Do you make a relevant point? No.

People of all colours, races and beliefs get stopped by the police all the time. Only the bitches wine about it

The evidence that black people are discriminated against by the U.S. police is conclusive.

Calling people who object to that 'bitches' does not make you look good.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Of course all lives matter but there are those who truly believe that black lives are less important.

Those stating that black movements are racist miss the point about the power balance, the history and the reality of many black people.

The ignorance is astounding on here.

So you think organisations such as MOVE aren't racist?

No, fundamentally, I don't. I think the experiences and history faced by those black people led to a particular set of circumstances.

To use the non-systemic, individual cases of black people being racist to white people (or each other) is to conflate two things and try and make them equal. They are not.

Ah right ao you can have organisations that are basicaly the klu klux klan for black people murdering white people but thats not racist because of some bollcoks about "systemic power".

The systemic power that lies with the most unsupported group, the highest suicide rate and highest victim rate for violent crime.

Coolio

Did it start out the way the KKK did? NO! Look at the history.

I won't reply to you again as I now remember why I stopped replying to you when you were here before."

Word

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people"
...I think blm was set up to highlight unarmed black people being shot by cops....and the subsequent exoneration of police officers for the shootings. ..usually by their own colleagues. ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

so i am going to ask those people a question....

p.s if you have never been stopped and searched... trust me...not a nice experience!

As a teenager and into my early 20s I was stopped and searched on a regular basis. Sometimes twice a day.

I was not arrested one single time on the back of it.

Do I gate the police? No.

Did it affect me? No.

Do you make a relevant point? No.

People of all colours, races and beliefs get stopped by the police all the time. Only the bitches wine about it

The evidence that black people are discriminated against by the U.S. police is conclusive.

Calling people who object to that 'bitches' does not make you look good."

Read the post properly. I'm not talking about discrimination in the US. I am responding to someone moaning about being stopped in the UK and asking if anyone who isn't black knows what its like.

I responded. So ensure you comprehend what you are reading before posting, it doesn't make you look good.

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By *isandreTV/TS over a year ago

Durham

The slogan on the tshirts is 'black lives matter'.

Do to their innate racism some people have decided there is an invisible prefix to the slogan that is "Only".

If there was a prefix it would set out the context that illustrated that the current American society was demonstrating an imbalance and disproportionate mistreatment of black people by law enforcement officers AND the justice system and so it is important to remember that as well as white lives...

Somewhere on line there is a brilliant response from a law professor to a first year student that says something like the above but much better than I have remembered. The ignorant and racist should google it and then fuck off.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Rarely has my jaw dropped as much as reading this thread. I can't quite work out if it is pig ignorance or indeed racism.

Pig ignorance. They really don't even know how racist they are because it's not white sheets, cross burning, swastika type of racism. It's the insidious, apologetic, "just makes sense", oh look at these convenient facts I found on my exhaustive search of the Internet" type of racism

And if I see one more white person complaining about the race card my head will fucking pop.

White people can never really know what it's like to grow up as a minority non white. You can never live a life times worth of little slights put downs and injustices, so many you take them for granted. For white people to dismiss it is just disgustingly without compassion and empathy.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

The phrase Black lives matter is important, as it's highlighting the importance of black peoples' lives that are being disproportionately taken away due to discrimination.

Of course all lives matter but we cannot deny black people are being racially abused and killed, which replacing the 'black lives', using 'all lives' as wording instead would do.

This campaign is about racism costing some specific people their lives. It's not a feel good campaign for everyone to feel valued and better.

As much as some progress has been made, there is still ugly racism and hate out there.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

I've come onto fab late and posted on this before reading any others. It seems I'm probably the better off for it, having missed many of them.

I think people who are in denial will use any arguments they can find, instead of looking inwards and seeing the ugly truth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Today is a new day but for certain families they are mourning the loss of their loved ones.

Black men gunned down and the white police officers in Dallas.

There s a definite undercurrent of division and hatred stirring in America and it's worrying!

Do they really think they can continue to slay black man at the rate they are doing so without any pushback? It was always gonna happen! You corner an animal and it will do one of two things it will either cower and accept its fate or fight!

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

https://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g

It's worth watching. It may help explain some of the shootings of unarmed people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people

However, in respect of people who are innocents and shot where they aren't criminals...then at that point all Lives Matter not just black Lives

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a violent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

Interesting read, helps you understand why they get searched

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By *lacksausage OP Man over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

"Today is a new day but for certain families they are mourning the loss of their loved ones.

Black men gunned down and the white police officers in Dallas.

There s a definite undercurrent of division and hatred stirring in America and it's worrying!

Never a truer word spoken. What people should realise is that the tool for fighting back, as we have all seen around the globe, includes aircrafts, javelins, broad daylight executions,ieds, street marches, parliamentary papers, strikes, boycotts, civil disobedience, any other means all the way to full scale wars. These cannot be policed anywhere. Live and let live. Don't fuck with me and I won't fuck with you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The minority will always feel and be persecuted by the majority or people in power be it in Asia, Africa or North/South America etc

Not until we ALL realise that we are ALL humans living on a tiny rock in the vast openness of space nothing will change

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By *ngandnickCouple over a year ago

Haverhill

This. I lived in Washington DC for 14 years. Viewing websites, watching news reports etc cannot even get close to what it's really like.

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people

However, in respect of people who are innocents and shot where they aren't criminals...then at that point all Lives Matter not just black Lives

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a violent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

Interesting read, helps you understand why they get searched"

Wouldn't any sane person want to ask why this homogeneous group you call 'black people' do more of these things than others? Why in the USA and not here or not to the same extent in different parts of the world. The attitude and language which people are displaying talking about 'black people' I haven't heard recently (since I came back from the states) except from one Leonardo DiCaprio's character in Django .... let's just smash the skull in and see what makes them tick? One positive, both my sons are now back from the USA and survived. Another, I've been away from the forums because I have a presence on the 'racism' threads which certain posters question as it appears I am looking for racism where it isn't. If this thread has proved anything, it's that racism is alive and well in the UK in terms of people's blanket assumptions and attitudes to other races. I should be shocked, but I am not .... racists couldn't care that they are dismissing the rich variety that is knowing and getting to know y'all. Well done guys, you have shown hour true colours .... and I know what you really think of my partner and kids, even though you don't know them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people

However, in respect of people who are innocents and shot where they aren't criminals...then at that point all Lives Matter not just black Lives

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a violent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

Interesting read, helps you understand why they get searched

I agre entirely. You are looking for racism where it doesn't exist.

This is an American thing and no one here can understand the reasoning behind it as our attitudes and social conditions are entirely different.

Are there racists in the UK? Yes. There are white racists, black racists, Asian racists, Eastern European racists and so on. Just because someone questions something doesn't make them racist. If it did your attitude to white people makes you racist and I doubt you are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?"

Actually all this is starting to piss me off, you get the MOBO awards for music of black origin,

Bafta's & Oscars - Academy Nominates All White Actors for Second Year in Row. ... Last year’s Oscar nominations drew howls of protests for their lack of diversity. ..

Police having to recruit more black officers, regardless if they meet the criteria

It should be down to the knowledge, ability and amount of work put in to earn success, not a wild card entry due to being a minority.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

Actually all this is starting to piss me off, you get the MOBO awards for music of black origin,

Bafta's & Oscars - Academy Nominates All White Actors for Second Year in Row. ... Last year’s Oscar nominations drew howls of protests for their lack of diversity. ..

Police having to recruit more black officers, regardless if they meet the criteria

It should be down to the knowledge, ability and amount of work put in to earn success, not a wild card entry due to being a minority."

Nor should it be down to not being selected because of colour or having a funny name. Yet we know that happens, even now.

MOBO doesn't exclude white people. Again, a response that misses the point. When you create something to recognise those not being recognised then that's wrong too, cos only those awards created by dem white people is valid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

Actually all this is starting to piss me off, you get the MOBO awards for music of black origin,

Bafta's & Oscars - Academy Nominates All White Actors for Second Year in Row. ... Last year’s Oscar nominations drew howls of protests for their lack of diversity. ..

Police having to recruit more black officers, regardless if they meet the criteria

It should be down to the knowledge, ability and amount of work put in to earn success, not a wild card entry due to being a minority."

I avoid these threads due to the ignorance that's normally found in them. I'm now stepping away from the keyboard, because even I can't believe the ignorance of that last post.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not even going to address some of the racism and bigotry exhibited on this thread. But can I just say thank you to the OP. You've allowed me to see some of the racists within fab and people I will most definitely avoid! "
It seems to us that black people just do not want to admit that the real problem is in black communities ,Shooting each other and gang culture ,scant disregard for life ..even there own lives,the problems have even came to our shores,yes mainly London,that metropolis of cultural harmony that is now rivalling the states for gun crime. Black folk are all to quick to pull the race card to end an argument when they know they are wrong,We have lots of Asian friends ,huge communities of chinese in the north east,guess what...no crime ...no shouting racism here...pls look at the bigger picture before screaming others are racist

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not even going to address some of the racism and bigotry exhibited on this thread. But can I just say thank you to the OP. You've allowed me to see some of the racists within fab and people I will most definitely avoid! It seems to us that black people just do not want to admit that the real problem is in black communities ,Shooting each other and gang culture ,scant disregard for life ..even there own lives,the problems have even came to our shores,yes mainly London,that metropolis of cultural harmony that is now rivalling the states for gun crime. Black folk are all to quick to pull the race card to end an argument when they know they are wrong,We have lots of Asian friends ,huge communities of chinese in the north east,guess what...no crime ...no shouting racism here...pls look at the bigger picture before screaming others are racist

That would be a simplistic view point. Very simplistic. Having seen other posts by yourself it's probably not worth my time disagreeing with your views.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

Actually all this is starting to piss me off, you get the MOBO awards for music of black origin,

Bafta's & Oscars - Academy Nominates All White Actors for Second Year in Row. ... Last year’s Oscar nominations drew howls of protests for their lack of diversity. ..

Police having to recruit more black officers, regardless if they meet the criteria

It should be down to the knowledge, ability and amount of work put in to earn success, not a wild card entry due to being a minority.

I avoid these threads due to the ignorance that's normally found in them. I'm now stepping away from the keyboard, because even I can't believe the ignorance of that last post. "

Ignorance is rife on here. Until they've experienced racism they'll never comprehend it's pervasiveness. Thankfully there's a lot of forward thinking people on this site and in life as well.

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

As I have stated in a different thread. In America they average income for a white family is approximately $53k, for a black family it is $35k.

As an average, we all know that means that the majority earn far less and a few far more.

Where you have poverty you generally find lack of opportunity, lack of education, crime and drugs.

Why such a large disparity?

I don't think that many police are racist but they are the face of a government/country that has a big division in its community.

Yes there are corrupt and racist police like there are criminal and racist people from every group/race.

As I have said before the great majority of people just want to live a peaceful life and go home to their families...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not even going to address some of the racism and bigotry exhibited on this thread. But can I just say thank you to the OP. You've allowed me to see some of the racists within fab and people I will most definitely avoid! It seems to us that black people just do not want to admit that the real problem is in black communities ,Shooting each other and gang culture ,scant disregard for life ..even there own lives,the problems have even came to our shores,yes mainly London,that metropolis of cultural harmony that is now rivalling the states for gun crime. Black folk are all to quick to pull the race card to end an argument when they know they are wrong,We have lots of Asian friends ,huge communities of chinese in the north east,guess what...no crime ...no shouting racism here...pls look at the bigger picture before screaming others are racist

That would be a simplistic view point. Very simplistic. Having seen other posts by yourself it's probably not worth my time disagreeing with your views. "
Please feel free to point out the wrongs in the post instead of trying very hard to be the bigger person

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As I have stated in a different thread. In America they average income for a white family is approximately $53k, for a black family it is $35k.

As an average, we all know that means that the majority earn far less and a few far more.

Where you have poverty you generally find lack of opportunity, lack of education, crime and drugs.

Why such a large disparity?

I don't think that many police are racist but they are the face of a government/country that has a big division in its community.

Yes there are corrupt and racist police like there are criminal and racist people from every group/race.

As I have said before the great majority of people just want to live a peaceful life and go home to their families..."
don't asians earn more than white families though?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not even going to address some of the racism and bigotry exhibited on this thread. But can I just say thank you to the OP. You've allowed me to see some of the racists within fab and people I will most definitely avoid! It seems to us that black people just do not want to admit that the real problem is in black communities ,Shooting each other and gang culture ,scant disregard for life ..even there own lives,the problems have even came to our shores,yes mainly London,that metropolis of cultural harmony that is now rivalling the states for gun crime. Black folk are all to quick to pull the race card to end an argument when they know they are wrong,We have lots of Asian friends ,huge communities of chinese in the north east,guess what...no crime ...no shouting racism here...pls look at the bigger picture before screaming others are racist

That would be a simplistic view point. Very simplistic. Having seen other posts by yourself it's probably not worth my time disagreeing with your views. Please feel free to point out the wrongs in the post instead of trying very hard to be the bigger person

I don't need to try being anything. As I said I'd be wasting my time. Have a good day

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bigotry and racism is abhorrent on all levels and should not be tolerated at all. BUT, please read this carefully, the MOBO awards are equally racist because they exclusive. In deciding if something is either racist or sexist etc I always think of it/situation the other way around. So, would an MOWO awards (for white musicians only) be racist, of course it would. For me positive discrimination is just as bad as well.

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By *indingDeemoMan over a year ago

Manchester

This thread was about the black male that was gunned don't while in restraint by 2 white officers. The black male gun down in his car cause he did have a gun he advised this to the officer and stated he was licenced to bear arms but he was reaching for his driver licence and also the shooting of white offices in Dallas at a protest rally for what some think is an acceptable way to retaliate

I do not agree with the handling of any of these situations and the outcome in all is tradgic and all I can say is my thoughts are with the families of those that where lost or injured.

But state this is down to black communities shooting themselves is in my opinion a closed mind accessment of events. Yes there is alot of black on black relayed gun crime but the colour of your skin defines your appearance not your personality.

These situations can be brought upon by any race group and the situation would still be the same it shouldn't happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people

However, in respect of people who are innocents and shot where they aren't criminals...then at that point all Lives Matter not just black Lives

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a violent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

Interesting read, helps you understand why they get searched

Well the reasons are mostly socioeconomic the colour of thier skin or genetics is of little influence but because the situation has gone on so long it becomes a self replicating cycle.

But if you dislike the term "black people" feel free to offer an alternative as it makes no odds to me.

What's mildly amusing though is purelt discusing figures has people ranting about racism despite no inusuation whatsoever that race is the cause or root factor.

People are funny.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bigotry and racism is abhorrent on all levels and should not be tolerated at all. BUT, please read this carefully, the MOBO awards are equally racist because they exclusive. In deciding if something is either racist or sexist etc I always think of it/situation the other way around. So, would an MOWO awards (for white musicians only) be racist, of course it would. For me positive discrimination is just as bad as well."

You do realise white people can win a MOBO right?

Its music of black orgin not just awards for black people.

Its an award for a specific genre of music.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not even going to address some of the racism and bigotry exhibited on this thread. But can I just say thank you to the OP. You've allowed me to see some of the racists within fab and people I will most definitely avoid! It seems to us that black people just do not want to admit that the real problem is in black communities ,Shooting each other and gang culture ,scant disregard for life ..even there own lives,the problems have even came to our shores,yes mainly London,that metropolis of cultural harmony that is now rivalling the states for gun crime. Black folk are all to quick to pull the race card to end an argument when they know they are wrong,We have lots of Asian friends ,huge communities of chinese in the north east,guess what...no crime ...no shouting racism here...pls look at the bigger picture before screaming others are racist

But because the asian community is not associated with cime they have a wealth of opertunities available to them.

Due to how the black community came about in the USA they where denied opertunities from the start which lead many of them to the only choice left; crime.

Which means the community and race is associated with crime, which means they are denied opertunities which means many only have one choice left; crime.

Which once again means thats what the community and race becomes associated with and it all starts again.

Because it started so many decades agao its now an entrenched belief and self fulfilling prophecy.

It will take a very long time for things to change.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

you do know that the MOBO's were created because they covered categories that the BRIT Awards didn't at that time....

in fact you could argue the MOBO's forced the brits to become much more diverse.....

the mobos have never been black artists only.... the prodigy, Jamiroquai, justin timberlake, eminem and mick hucknall for example have all won mobo's... so have prof green, jessie j, all saints ect ect ect.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not even going to address some of the racism and bigotry exhibited on this thread. But can I just say thank you to the OP. You've allowed me to see some of the racists within fab and people I will most definitely avoid! It seems to us that black people just do not want to admit that the real problem is in black communities ,Shooting each other and gang culture ,scant disregard for life ..even there own lives,the problems have even came to our shores,yes mainly London,that metropolis of cultural harmony that is now rivalling the states for gun crime. Black folk are all to quick to pull the race card to end an argument when they know they are wrong,We have lots of Asian friends ,huge communities of chinese in the north east,guess what...no crime ...no shouting racism here...pls look at the bigger picture before screaming others are racist

I don't need to try being anything. As I said I'd be wasting my time. Have a good day

"
our point proven... Enjoy yours

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

MOBO's racist? Does that mean by the same logic the Teen choice awards are ageist?

FML what a tangent.......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not even going to address some of the racism and bigotry exhibited on this thread. But can I just say thank you to the OP. You've allowed me to see some of the racists within fab and people I will most definitely avoid! It seems to us that black people just do not want to admit that the real problem is in black communities ,Shooting each other and gang culture ,scant disregard for life ..even there own lives,the problems have even came to our shores,yes mainly London,that metropolis of cultural harmony that is now rivalling the states for gun crime. Black folk are all to quick to pull the race card to end an argument when they know they are wrong,We have lots of Asian friends ,huge communities of chinese in the north east,guess what...no crime ...no shouting racism here...pls look at the bigger picture before screaming others are racist

But because the asian community is not associated with cime they have a wealth of opertunities available to them.

Due to how the black community came about in the USA they where denied opertunities from the start which lead many of them to the only choice left; crime.

Which means the community and race is associated with crime, which means they are denied opertunities which means many only have one choice left; crime.

Which once again means thats what the community and race becomes associated with and it all starts again.

Because it started so many decades agao its now an entrenched belief and self fulfilling prophecy.

It will take a very long time for things to change.

You cant just clean up the communities because however you cut it food needs to be on the tables of familes but without the opertunity for honest work with prospects the lure of crime and gangs will always be high"
Does this also apply in London... Or have the white majority in the north.east all turned to crime as the easy option after decades of being shit on by labour and tory rule with very little opertunity up here?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not even going to address some of the racism and bigotry exhibited on this thread. But can I just say thank you to the OP. You've allowed me to see some of the racists within fab and people I will most definitely avoid! It seems to us that black people just do not want to admit that the real problem is in black communities ,Shooting each other and gang culture ,scant disregard for life ..even there own lives,the problems have even came to our shores,yes mainly London,that metropolis of cultural harmony that is now rivalling the states for gun crime. Black folk are all to quick to pull the race card to end an argument when they know they are wrong,We have lots of Asian friends ,huge communities of chinese in the north east,guess what...no crime ...no shouting racism here...pls look at the bigger picture before screaming others are racist

I don't need to try being anything. As I said I'd be wasting my time. Have a good day

our point proven... Enjoy yours

You've not proved anything by your statement.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not even going to address some of the racism and bigotry exhibited on this thread. But can I just say thank you to the OP. You've allowed me to see some of the racists within fab and people I will most definitely avoid! It seems to us that black people just do not want to admit that the real problem is in black communities ,Shooting each other and gang culture ,scant disregard for life ..even there own lives,the problems have even came to our shores,yes mainly London,that metropolis of cultural harmony that is now rivalling the states for gun crime. Black folk are all to quick to pull the race card to end an argument when they know they are wrong,We have lots of Asian friends ,huge communities of chinese in the north east,guess what...no crime ...no shouting racism here...pls look at the bigger picture before screaming others are racist

But because the asian community is not associated with cime they have a wealth of opertunities available to them.

Due to how the black community came about in the USA they where denied opertunities from the start which lead many of them to the only choice left; crime.

Which means the community and race is associated with crime, which means they are denied opertunities which means many only have one choice left; crime.

Which once again means thats what the community and race becomes associated with and it all starts again.

Because it started so many decades agao its now an entrenched belief and self fulfilling prophecy.

It will take a very long time for things to change.

You cant just clean up the communities because however you cut it food needs to be on the tables of familes but without the opertunity for honest work with prospects the lure of crime and gangs will always be highDoes this also apply in London... Or have the white majority in the north.east all turned to crime as the easy option after decades of being shit on by labour and tory rule with very little opertunity up here? "

I dont have much experence with that srea tbh...well except that when i parked my notorbike in north east london it got stolen

But likley yes the same concept can be applied to very long term deprived areas.

Hence why the crime rate peaks then dropsnas gentrification occurs regardless of rhe racial make up after gentrification

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

"As I have stated in a different thread. In America they average income for a white family is approximately $53k, for a black family it is $35k.

As an average, we all know that means that the majority earn far less and a few far more.

Where you have poverty you generally find lack of opportunity, lack of education, crime and drugs.

Why such a large disparity?

I don't think that many police are racist but they are the face of a government/country that has a big division in its community.

Yes there are corrupt and racist police like there are criminal and racist people from every group/race.

As I have said before the great majority of people just want to live a peaceful life and go home to their families... don't asians earn more than white families though?"

In 2013 the average family income for an Asian family in America was $66k.

Indian Americans enjoy an average wage of just over $100k.

If you add the Asian and Indian people in America it comes to less than 2% of the population.

In some ways this is a moot point as it is the poorest section of society that lacks in opportunity, education ect but is more exposed to drugs and crime.

There is obviously serious problems in America.

How do you change things? I don't know but I do know that everybody involved needs to look at themselves to see the good and the bad and try to start that change from within.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not even going to address some of the racism and bigotry exhibited on this thread. But can I just say thank you to the OP. You've allowed me to see some of the racists within fab and people I will most definitely avoid! It seems to us that black people just do not want to admit that the real problem is in black communities ,Shooting each other and gang culture ,scant disregard for life ..even there own lives,the problems have even came to our shores,yes mainly London,that metropolis of cultural harmony that is now rivalling the states for gun crime. Black folk are all to quick to pull the race card to end an argument when they know they are wrong,We have lots of Asian friends ,huge communities of chinese in the north east,guess what...no crime ...no shouting racism here...pls look at the bigger picture before screaming others are racist

I don't need to try being anything. As I said I'd be wasting my time. Have a good day

our point proven... Enjoy yours

You've not proved anything by your statement. "
I think I have actually with your inability to contribute and preferring to ridicule, country is full of people like yourself. Always someone else to blame. Always you are right....

seriously don't converse with us if you do not like our views

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people

However, in respect of people who are innocents and shot where they aren't criminals...then at that point all Lives Matter not just black Lives

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a violent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

Interesting read, helps you understand why they get searched

I agre entirely. You are looking for racism where it doesn't exist.

This is an American thing and no one here can understand the reasoning behind it as our attitudes and social conditions are entirely different.

I am not because I don't make assumptions or blanket statements about a certain race because of their race .... I dont see any race as a homogeneous mass which can be lumped together, be they 'black, white or Asian' ... trust me, it does exist, by many people perpetuating stereotypes and often by those who try to ridicule and undermine the views of others by snide comments. I see it because my children and my family have experienced it ... to say it doesn't exist is here is to ignore the elephant in the room, and some people get ridiculously defensive and self righteous about their opinion because they know they are on shaky ground.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people

However, in respect of people who are innocents and shot where they aren't criminals...then at that point all Lives Matter not just black Lives

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a violent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

Interesting read, helps you understand why they get searched

I agre entirely. You are looking for racism where it doesn't exist.

This is an American thing and no one here can understand the reasoning behind it as our attitudes and social conditions are entirely different.

On the other hand we can see there is fault on both sides in America. A superpower where any maniac can get hold of a gun,what do any of you think of the five murdered white dollars officers that were helping fellow black human beings out of the line of fire

Racism is not a one way street

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people

However, in respect of people who are innocents and shot where they aren't criminals...then at that point all Lives Matter not just black Lives

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a violent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

Interesting read, helps you understand why they get searched

I agre entirely. You are looking for racism where it doesn't exist.

This is an American thing and no one here can understand the reasoning behind it as our attitudes and social conditions are entirely different.

Racism is not a one way street "
dallas.... Doh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not even going to address some of the racism and bigotry exhibited on this thread. But can I just say thank you to the OP. You've allowed me to see some of the racists within fab and people I will most definitely avoid! It seems to us that black people just do not want to admit that the real problem is in black communities ,Shooting each other and gang culture ,scant disregard for life ..even there own lives,the problems have even came to our shores,yes mainly London,that metropolis of cultural harmony that is now rivalling the states for gun crime. Black folk are all to quick to pull the race card to end an argument when they know they are wrong,We have lots of Asian friends ,huge communities of chinese in the north east,guess what...no crime ...no shouting racism here...pls look at the bigger picture before screaming others are racist

I don't need to try being anything. As I said I'd be wasting my time. Have a good day

our point proven... Enjoy yours

You've not proved anything by your statement. I think I have actually with your inability to contribute and preferring to ridicule, country is full of people like yourself. Always someone else to blame. Always you are right....

seriously don't converse with us if you do not like our views

I'm not conversing with you. That would take intelligent debate. Of which I've seen none.

You carry on whining about problems in the North East if it makes you feel better.

I'll carry on trying not to laugh at the inherent bigotry on display.

It's an open forum by the way. Anyone is allowed to comment as long as they follow site rules.

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By *lacksausage OP Man over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

Erm, when is the next lgbt March? Will like to go check if there will be a parallel March claiming ALL orientations matter.

I do not blame the opposition, ignorance nor bold face racism on display; instead I blame black ppl for being soft and " allowing" it to happen.

I know a group of people who will never even shop just anywhere unless in a shop owned and run by their kind. I know a group who are so together and strong you won't dare even pay them a compliment; let alone insult them.

But the hope in me is undiminished yet. The sun will rise again tomorrow. Black people should do their homework and rise. The man in the Whitehouse is just the beginning of a LONG WALK TO FREEDOM.

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

Unfortunately that makes them sound divisive, which doesn't help improve things.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"It's a bit like when I say to people that some men are dicks, and they reply with 'not all men'.

They are not saying 'white lives do not matter'. They are saying 'black lives are being ended at a higher rate than they should be statistically. Black lives matter as much as everybody elses.'

Why on earth some people struggling to see that ?

Because people will only see what they want to see.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You don't have to look over the pond.

In fact consider this.

In the UK 827 people have died during or following police contact since 2004. (Disproportionatly high number young black males among them)

Deaths in British police custody: no convicted officers since 1969

Who watches the watchmen?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who say 'save the rainforest' aren't saying 'fuck all other forests'."

Love this!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't have to look over the pond.

In fact consider this.

In the UK 827 people have died during or following police contact since 2004. (Disproportionatly high number young black males among them)

Deaths in British police custody: no convicted officers since 1969

Who watches the watchmen?"

Are you just going to quote some figures from google to fan the flames or are you going to add any of your own thoughts to that. Out of the 827 deaths flowing police contact how many have actually been killed due to police brutality? How many have died from their own doing? ie drug overdoses, suicides, fleeing in a stolen car and crashing it? No doubt you havn't got a clue. Police contact means anytime within 24 hours of that persons death, it could be a report of theft, burglary, assault, a vehicle check, it does not mean physical contact, more often than not the police contact is not a factor in the persons death so before spouting inflammatory figures from google try understanding what they translate as.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Christopher Alder, a trainee computer programmer and former British Army paratrooper who had served in the Falklands War and Northern Ireland, died face down, handcuffed, with his trousers around his ankles on the floor of a police station in Hull in April 1998. Alder, a 37-year-old black man, had been assaulted outside a night club and taken to a local hospital, where he was arrested by officers for an alleged breach of the peace following complaints about his behaviour from nursing staff.

While fit enough to get into a police van by himself, CCTV footage shows that upon arrival at the police station, Alder was unconscious when dragged from the van and placed on the floor of the custody suite. Officers treated Alder like an animal, completely neglecting him while he lay dying on the floor. Officers calmly chatted among themselves, one of them suggesting he was faking illness. Eleven minutes later, when officers finally realised he had stopped breathing, attempts to resuscitate him came too late. It was later revealed that CCTV had captured the officers making monkey noises at the police station that night. Alder died on the scene.

Stories like this are not isolated cases. I am white but like any decent person this makes me angry.

Furthermore to my brothers in the states I would say this; the UN Declaration of Human Rights in its preamble supports you when it states,

'Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't have to look over the pond.

In fact consider this.

In the UK 827 people have died during or following police contact since 2004. (Disproportionatly high number young black males among them)

Deaths in British police custody: no convicted officers since 1969

Who watches the watchmen?

I think I answered this with my last post giving you a specific case.

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

"You don't have to look over the pond.

In fact consider this.

In the UK 827 people have died during or following police contact since 2004. (Disproportionatly high number young black males among them)

Deaths in British police custody: no convicted officers since 1969

Who watches the watchmen?

I think I answered this with my last post giving you a specific case. "

826 to go and it still wont make a difference to some people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't have to look over the pond.

In fact consider this.

In the UK 827 people have died during or following police contact since 2004. (Disproportionatly high number young black males among them)

Deaths in British police custody: no convicted officers since 1969

Who watches the watchmen?

I think I answered this with my last post giving you a specific case. "

Well done you, you have demonstrated that you can cut and paste.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can't see anything wrong in saying all lives matter ?

Surely they do regardless of colour , creed , or religion ?

Don't see how any one can find fault with that ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't have to look over the pond.

In fact consider this.

In the UK 827 people have died during or following police contact since 2004. (Disproportionatly high number young black males among them)

Deaths in British police custody: no convicted officers since 1969

Who watches the watchmen?

I think I answered this with my last post giving you a specific case.

Well done you, you have demonstrated that you can cut and paste.

You asked I supplied. It's called providing evidence. Perhaps you were taught to just fabricate it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some people aren't capable of debating without resorting to name calling. It just reiterates what I said earlier. No point in speaking to some people. Bigotry alive and well in the UK.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a giolent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

And part of 'black lives matter' is looking at the societal conditions that mean people of colour are forced into lives of crime and violence in many cases.

It's all fucked. It all needs to be fixed."

Society creates the crime. The criminal commits it.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"I can't see anything wrong in saying all lives matter ?

Surely they do regardless of colour , creed , or religion ?

Don't see how any one can find fault with that ? "

Because it's a way of shutting down the conversation about racism. 'Black lives matter' was coined because police in the U.S. often treat black people like they are disposable. Witness the man casual executions of black people in the course of arrests.

Saying 'all lives matter' is missing the entire point of the expression. It's the equivalent of thinking there should be a straight Pride celebration.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't have to look over the pond.

In fact consider this.

In the UK 827 people have died during or following police contact since 2004. (Disproportionatly high number young black males among them)

Deaths in British police custody: no convicted officers since 1969

Who watches the watchmen?

I think I answered this with my last post giving you a specific case.

Well done you, you have demonstrated that you can cut and paste.

You asked I supplied. It's called providing evidence. Perhaps you were taught to just fabricate it?

No, you cut and pasted one example from the 827 deaths flowing police contact. In order to give balanced evidence you should now cut and paste the other 826 stories. Was it just coincidence that the story you did add involved a black man. There will be plenty involving white men too but you choose not to mention those because they don't fan the racist flames that you are attempting to ignite or rather incite. I won't be commenting any further, I'll leave you to your googling.

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By *lacksausage OP Man over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

Unfortunately that makes them sound divisive, which doesn't help improve things."

But you see; that group is successful and no one will DARE TAKE ANY RUBBISH to their doorstep for fear of reprisals.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You don't have to look over the pond.

In fact consider this.

In the UK 827 people have died during or following police contact since 2004. (Disproportionatly high number young black males among them)

Deaths in British police custody: no convicted officers since 1969

Who watches the watchmen?

I think I answered this with my last post giving you a specific case.

Well done you, you have demonstrated that you can cut and paste.

You asked I supplied. It's called providing evidence. Perhaps you were taught to just fabricate it?

Just for balance and equality I will mention white newspaper seller Ian Tomlinson, who was barged to his death for getting in the way of a police officer who had removed his collar number.

A coroner’s jury handed down a verdict of unlawful killing in the case of Ian Tomlinson in May 2011, yet PC Simon Harwood, the officer responsible for his death, was acquitted in a criminal trial in July 2012.

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

Unfortunately that makes them sound divisive, which doesn't help improve things.

But you see; that group is successful and no one will DARE TAKE ANY RUBBISH to their doorstep for fear of reprisals."

So what is this group and where are they?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately that makes them sound divisive, which doesn't help improve things.

But you see; that group is successful and no one will DARE TAKE ANY RUBBISH to their doorstep for fear of reprisals.

So what is this group and where are they?"

The Russians!!! No one fucks with us

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

Unfortunately that makes them sound divisive, which doesn't help improve things.

But you see; that group is successful and no one will DARE TAKE ANY RUBBISH to their doorstep for fear of reprisals."

You mean the coppers?

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

Unfortunately that makes them sound divisive, which doesn't help improve things.

But you see; that group is successful and no one will DARE TAKE ANY RUBBISH to their doorstep for fear of reprisals.

So what is this group and where are they?

The Russians!!! No one fucks with us "

I think your history proves you wrong...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Just for balance and equality I will mention white newspaper seller Ian Tomlinson, who was barged to his death for getting in the way of a police officer who had removed his collar number.

I would assume that one of the biggest issues here is that such cases involving minorities and migrants don't often result in criminal charges being brought against individuals for them to even be acquited. Jean Charles De Meneze being an example

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

Unfortunately that makes them sound divisive, which doesn't help improve things.

But you see; that group is successful and no one will DARE TAKE ANY RUBBISH to their doorstep for fear of reprisals.

So what is this group and where are they?

The Russians!!! No one fucks with us

I think your history proves you wrong...

Genneral Winter often sees off those who have designs on Ruassia.. Internal struggles are a different thing...

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By *lacksausage OP Man over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

Unfortunately that makes them sound divisive, which doesn't help improve things.

But you see; that group is successful and no one will DARE TAKE ANY RUBBISH to their doorstep for fear of reprisals.

So what is this group and where are they?"

You fuck with them and you,your children and your children's children will be long dead in your sleep before dawn. NO TRACES; NOT EVEN A FINGER PRINT.

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

Unfortunately that makes them sound divisive, which doesn't help improve things.

But you see; that group is successful and no one will DARE TAKE ANY RUBBISH to their doorstep for fear of reprisals.

So what is this group and where are they?

You fuck with them and you,your children and your children's children will be long dead in your sleep before dawn. NO TRACES; NOT EVEN A FINGER PRINT."

Like I said who is the group and where are they???

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By *urewaterMan over a year ago

Sex Lab

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people

However, in respect of people who are innocents and shot where they aren't criminals...then at that point all Lives Matter not just black Lives

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a giolent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

Your stats my friend are screwed, whites commit just as much crimes as black but guess what, black always end up in jail due to their poor background or whatever reason, an good example is the Stanford University (white) swimmer given a six-month jail sentence for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman... if that were to be a black male.. he will be on deathrow and there are millions of cases just like that so yes... i dont care what anybody says... BLACK LIVES MATTER

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately that makes them sound divisive, which doesn't help improve things.

But you see; that group is successful and no one will DARE TAKE ANY RUBBISH to their doorstep for fear of reprisals.

So what is this group and where are they?

You fuck with them and you,your children and your children's children will be long dead in your sleep before dawn. NO TRACES; NOT EVEN A FINGER PRINT."

Why are you being so aggressive and threatening? If this group are willing to murder children for their beliefs, they need reporting.

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

"I have been watching events across the pond with keen interest and something baffles me.

To start off, I believe in the equality of all men before the law. I may be wrong.

Now here is my confusion: almost immediately there springs up ANOTHER movement which says, " actually, you guys are making too much noise; you should actually be saying ALL lives matter."

Should I be worried at all?

What sbout police lives matter?

Aprox 50% of us officers shot are shot by black people

However, in respect of people who are innocents and shot where they aren't criminals...then at that point all Lives Matter not just black Lives

Yeah when you look at the stats its

Black people are the most likley to be involved in crime

Black people are the most likley to commit murder

Black people are the most likley to murder a police officer

Yet people are sruprised the group most likley to encounter the police, and most likley to have a giolent confrontation with the police are the group most likley to be hurt by the police

Unfortunately statistically he is correct. The actual numbers may be less but percentage wise it's higher.

It's a lot more complicated than just numbers though.

Hopefully one day it will be as simple as "all lives matter."

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By *lacksausage OP Man over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

Unfortunately that makes them sound divisive, which doesn't help improve things.

But you see; that group is successful and no one will DARE TAKE ANY RUBBISH to their doorstep for fear of reprisals.

So what is this group and where are they?

You fuck with them and you,your children and your children's children will be long dead in your sleep before dawn. NO TRACES; NOT EVEN A FINGER PRINT.

Why are you being so aggressive and threatening? If this group are willing to murder children for their beliefs, they need reporting."

ALL people get aggressive

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

Unfortunately that makes them sound divisive, which doesn't help improve things.

But you see; that group is successful and no one will DARE TAKE ANY RUBBISH to their doorstep for fear of reprisals.

So what is this group and where are they?

You fuck with them and you,your children and your children's children will be long dead in your sleep before dawn. NO TRACES; NOT EVEN A FINGER PRINT.

Why are you being so aggressive and threatening? If this group are willing to murder children for their beliefs, they need reporting.

ALL people get aggressive

And now back on earth...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All lives matter, end of.

A life is worth no more or less because of race or nationality.

Nothing more to add, its boring now.

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By *erdita Von TeaseWoman over a year ago

nottingham

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All lives matter, end of.

A life is worth no more or less because of race or nationality.

Nothing more to add, its boring now."

If it's boring for you don't comment.

NO-ONE has said ALL lives don't matter. As has been pointed out COUNTLESS times on here the BLM movement were seeking to highlight injustice. Ffs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All lives matter, end of.

A life is worth no more or less because of race or nationality.

Nothing more to add, its boring now.

If it's boring for you don't comment.

NO-ONE has said ALL lives don't matter. As has been pointed out COUNTLESS times on here the BLM movement were seeking to highlight injustice. Ffs "

In what way? by going out and shooting 11 police officers killing 5 of them?

the BLM is just an excuse for them to protest and cause trouble at the protests

If any trouble is caused they should continue to be locked up

Support & back the Police

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I've avoided this thread because it was obviously going to be a bit heated and because I've had this argument elsewhere already.

I was one of the people who initially thought, when I heard about "Black Lives Matter", that all lives matter.

After discussing it elsewhere I realised I hadn't understood what it was about. After the discussion, I did understand and had changed my mind.

I still believe all lives matter but I absolutely support "Black Lives Matter".

Are some of the people involved in the movement racially prejudiced? Yes, but there are such people throughout all nations and of every skin colour and ethnicity.

The movement itself should not be judged on a vocal minority.

Black people in this country still do not have equality and that situation is much more pronounced in the US.

In this day and age it's simply unacceptable that equality is still so far off and that groups of people are disadvantaged and do not have the same rights and opportunities as others.

White privilege, particularly white male privilege is alive and well, certainly in the western world.

Anyone who does not recognise Black Lives Matter as a legitimate organisation campaigning against a real issue probably, as in my case, doesn't fully understand what it's about. At least, I hope so because the other reason to reject it is being a privileged arse.

Remember that people with privilege are usually so used to it that equality feels like oppression.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All lives matter, end of.

A life is worth no more or less because of race or nationality.

Nothing more to add, its boring now.

If it's boring for you don't comment.

NO-ONE has said ALL lives don't matter. As has been pointed out COUNTLESS times on here the BLM movement were seeking to highlight injustice. Ffs

In what way? by going out and shooting 11 police officers killing 5 of them?

the BLM is just an excuse for them to protest and cause trouble at the protests

If any trouble is caused they should continue to be locked up

Support & back the Police

Some police are scum and should be locked up. Just because they hide behind a uniform doesn't automatically make them in the right. They're a disgrace to decent people.

Yeah if that's what you think about the BLM movement I'm not going to argue with you. I know a hopeless case when I see one. I've seen your other posts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All lives matter, end of.

A life is worth no more or less because of race or nationality.

Nothing more to add, its boring now.

If it's boring for you don't comment.

NO-ONE has said ALL lives don't matter. As has been pointed out COUNTLESS times on here the BLM movement were seeking to highlight injustice. Ffs

In what way? by going out and shooting 11 police officers killing 5 of them?

the BLM is just an excuse for them to protest and cause trouble at the protests

If any trouble is caused they should continue to be locked up

Support & back the Police

Some police are scum and should be locked up. Just because they hide behind a uniform doesn't automatically make them in the right. They're a disgrace to decent people.

Yeah if that's what you think about the BLM movement I'm not going to argue with you. I know a hopeless case when I see one. I've seen your other posts.

I just say it as it is

sorry I don't suck up and kiss ass

no pc for me either, block away lady

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've avoided this thread because it was obviously going to be a bit heated and because I've had this argument elsewhere already.