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"Why does it bother you? Just get on with your life?" No it doesn't bother me. I was wondering if I'd done my profile correctly that's all. | |||
"It's what's called fab straight....." | |||
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"Why does it matter what someone else does on here?" IT doesn't matter.im trying to work stuff out on here etc. One of my best friends is a TV. | |||
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"Why does it bother you? Just get on with your life?" When did she say it bothered her, she merely asked a question. | |||
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"its all cool and apologies again. x" No probs x | |||
"its all cool and apologies again. x No probs x" being new here you wouldn't have realised the straight men meeting tvs is a weekly debate.. sometimes twice weekly | |||
"I'm new to this so maybe a bit naive also. But loads of straight guys say they will meet TV/TS. Am I missing something here? " Nope a lot of straight guys like tv's and like their cock sucked by men. No one is truly straight it's just fab doesn't give you the opportunity to say bi selfish or straight but a blow job is a blow job. Or straight but any hole is a goal | |||
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"its all cool and apologies again. x No probs x being new here you wouldn't have realised the straight men meeting tvs is a weekly debate.. sometimes twice weekly "This plus weekly debates about orientation in general. Sexuality os more complex than 3 narrow gay, bi, straight boxes. And gender is a complex subject even though we keep it fairly simple in fab. And sometimes people just try something out. They may realise it's not for them. Or otherwise. Accept each person for who they are and appreciate their honesty, where in most of life you'd not be privileged to get such revelations from each other. | |||
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Asking for my friend Trevor .... | |||
"Can a straight guy do DP, DV , or have a girl do a double blow job ? And still be considered straight...
Asking for my friend Trevor ...."If there's any cock at all involved its gay. And if its only vaginas involved then its super gay | |||
"because some t girls class themselves as women. And rightly so "I see it as if she looks acts wants to be a girl then I will treat her like one | |||
"Okay it doesn't bother me in the slightest. My cousin wears make up & win a clothes & my friend is a TV. I was just wondering. I don't mind men who dress like this either. I just didn't know what was what. I didn't mean to offend anyone x" Some men keep straight on their profile to be able to get meets with women, who would not meet with bi guys. | |||
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"Straight guys are always the best , it's hot they fancy me x" sit on my lap anyrime xxxx | |||
 maybe a fantasy of mine, I'm unsure 
I Certainly still think I'm straight, she's just a gorgeous girl with something different in her knickers.  | |||
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"Depends where you draw the line and how you understand the trams spectrum Personally I define it as such CD - man that dresses in female attire but still identifies as male (gay/bi/curious for meeting them) TV - a man that dresses in female attire and often likes to be addressed as a female in female form but still identifies as male (gay/bi/curious) TS - dresses as female and identifies as a female and lives their lives that way therefore are a woman (straight) TG - a person who as fully changed from male to female because they are now who they feel they always were (straight) Please feel free to change the example above as fitting for female to male gender roles " TG is an umbrella term to define anyone regardless of where they define themselves on the trans spectrum... Your defined gender has nothing to do with your sexuality... | |||
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"Okay it doesn't bother me in the slightest. My cousin wears make up & win a clothes & my friend is a TV. I was just wondering. I don't mind men who dress like this either. I just didn't know what was what. I didn't mean to offend anyone x Some men keep straight on their profile to be able to get meets with women, who would not meet with bi guys. " | |||
"Depends where you draw the line and how you understand the trams spectrum Personally I define it as such CD - man that dresses in female attire but still identifies as male (gay/bi/curious for meeting them) TV - a man that dresses in female attire and often likes to be addressed as a female in female form but still identifies as male (gay/bi/curious) TS - dresses as female and identifies as a female and lives their lives that way therefore are a woman (straight) TG - a person who as fully changed from male to female because they are now who they feel they always were (straight) Please feel free to change the example above as fitting for female to male gender roles TG is an umbrella term to define anyone regardless of where they define themselves on the trans spectrum... Your defined gender has nothing to do with your sexuality..." Yes they could be TG and be gay/bi dependant on the person it was late when I typed that wasn't thinking | |||
"Female to male are TG as well.... TG is transgender, so female to male is still trans." I did recognise that though if you re-read the last paragraph of what I wrote | |||
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"Why does it bother you? Just get on with your life? No it doesn't bother me. I was wondering if I'd done my profile correctly that's all. " It's your profile so you have done it the way you want it. | |||
"It's not worth worrying about. They identify as straight and that's all that matters. " Unless you happen to be a blood donor for instance? | |||
"It's not worth worrying about. They identify as straight and that's all that matters. Unless you happen to be a blood donor for instance?" I meant on Fab | |||
"It's not worth worrying about. They identify as straight and that's all that matters. Unless you happen to be a blood donor for instance? I meant on Fab " Yes, but that is merely an expression of statistical risk, and I think we have a right to know. I slept with a Bi guy at the weekend, but it was my free choice. | |||
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"It's not worth worrying about. They identify as straight and that's all that matters. Unless you happen to be a blood donor for instance? I meant on Fab Yes, but that is merely an expression of statistical risk, and I think we have a right to know. I slept with a Bi guy at the weekend, but it was my free choice. "They should say so then | |||
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"Depends where you draw the line and how you understand the trams spectrum Personally I define it as such CD - man that dresses in female attire but still identifies as male (gay/bi/curious for meeting them) TV - a man that dresses in female attire and often likes to be addressed as a female in female form but still identifies as male (gay/bi/curious) TS - dresses as female and identifies as a female and lives their lives that way therefore are a woman (straight) TG - a person who as fully changed from male to female because they are now who they feel they always were (straight) Please feel free to change the example above as fitting for female to male gender roles " Thats actually cleared alot of confusion up for me cheers | |||
"I've met some absolute stunning girls before , had a night out together and got it on , bonus for me them having a cock , would never ever have been able to tell ... But watching my partner suck and play with the cock ... Yes certainly must make him bi ... Yet her would never ever have gone near a fella .... Weird ! But soooo hot " Im the same have no interest what so ever in guys but a convincing t girl then im interested. And yes im listed as bi curious | |||
I'm in no way a homophobe or have anything against anyone who wants to be male female or horse!
But to me if you have a penis then you are a man!
In a lot of cases an amazingly gorgeous womanly man - but still a man.
I can't imagine how it must be to feel that you are another gender- but feeling like something else or wanting to be it really badly doesn't make it so!
Said without prejudice and love
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"It's not worth worrying about. They identify as straight and that's all that matters. Unless you happen to be a blood donor for instance?" Transwomen count as women for blood donation. So a man who sleeps with a TS who's had her paper work done will not affect your blood donation at all. Trans people can even donate blood. | |||
"It's not worth worrying about. They identify as straight and that's all that matters. Unless you happen to be a blood donor for instance?" I can only assume you are hinting at HIV. It is worth repeating - yet again - that there are more straight people with HIV than gay at the moment. Also, the ban on gay men and blood donation is currently well under review and highly likely to be revoked. | |||
"So if I identify as a chair does that mean I am one
I'm in no way a homophobe or have anything against anyone who wants to be male female or horse!
But to me if you have a penis then you are a man!
In a lot of cases an amazingly gorgeous womanly man - but still a man.
I can't imagine how it must be to feel that you are another gender- but feeling like something else or wanting to be it really badly doesn't make it so!
Said without prejudice and love
"How can you say "said without prejudice" - its very prejudiced and ill informed. Also the term is transphobic not homophobic. At least label yourself properly. | |||
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"I asked this and because a "straight" guys messaged me and I informed him as he had met a TV and I don't meet bi guys I'm gonna say no thanks I got called homophobic lol Erm... On here you are straight Or your "fab straight " lol" Totally agree! I get messages from 'straight" men but when I look on their profile they've met tvs and ts so how can they call themselves totally straight 
They need to come out the closet and stop being in denial
Sending much love to everyone I'm not discriminating against anyone
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"So if I identify as a chair does that mean I am one
I'm in no way a homophobe or have anything against anyone who wants to be male female or horse!
But to me if you have a penis then you are a man!
In a lot of cases an amazingly gorgeous womanly man - but still a man.
I can't imagine how it must be to feel that you are another gender- but feeling like something else or wanting to be it really badly doesn't make it so!
Said without prejudice and love
How can you say "said without prejudice" - its very prejudiced and ill informed. Also the term is transphobic not homophobic. At least label yourself properly. "A person with a cock is a man! It really is that simple! I'm not talking about anyone who has transitioned fully. Why is that an insult? I'm not phobic about anyone - all consenting adults can do as they wish! I'm half black half white - if I don't want to embrace one of the races it doesn't mean it isn't so! I sleep with people with vaginas - if they dress as men and identify as men does that make them male? I just want people to be more honest about their sexuality! I'm not pretending I'm not bi that I'm not black and that I'm not female! Why do men that sleep with other men get to pretend that they are straight because they have lipstick on FFS! | |||
"So if I identify as a chair does that mean I am one
I'm in no way a homophobe or have anything against anyone who wants to be male female or horse!
But to me if you have a penis then you are a man!
In a lot of cases an amazingly gorgeous womanly man - but still a man.
I can't imagine how it must be to feel that you are another gender- but feeling like something else or wanting to be it really badly doesn't make it so!
Said without prejudice and love
How can you say "said without prejudice" - its very prejudiced and ill informed. Also the term is transphobic not homophobic. At least label yourself properly.
A person with a cock is a man!
It really is that simple!
I'm not talking about anyone who has transitioned fully.
Why is that an insult?
I'm not phobic about anyone - all consenting adults can do as they wish!
I'm half black half white - if I don't want to embrace one of the races it doesn't mean it isn't so!
I sleep with people with vaginas - if they dress as men and identify as men does that make them male?
I just want people to be more honest about their sexuality!
I'm not pretending I'm not bi that I'm not black and that I'm not female!
Why do men that sleep with other men get to pretend that they are straight because they have lipstick on FFS!
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"So if I identify as a chair does that mean I am one
I'm in no way a homophobe or have anything against anyone who wants to be male female or horse!
But to me if you have a penis then you are a man!
In a lot of cases an amazingly gorgeous womanly man - but still a man.
I can't imagine how it must be to feel that you are another gender- but feeling like something else or wanting to be it really badly doesn't make it so!
Said without prejudice and love
How can you say "said without prejudice" - its very prejudiced and ill informed. Also the term is transphobic not homophobic. At least label yourself properly.
A person with a cock is a man!
It really is that simple!
I'm not talking about anyone who has transitioned fully.
Why is that an insult?
I'm not phobic about anyone - all consenting adults can do as they wish!
I'm half black half white - if I don't want to embrace one of the races it doesn't mean it isn't so!
I sleep with people with vaginas - if they dress as men and identify as men does that make them male?
I just want people to be more honest about their sexuality!
I'm not pretending I'm not bi that I'm not black and that I'm not female!
Why do men that sleep with other men get to pretend that they are straight because they have lipstick on FFS!
"Yer a transphobe, own it. Doesn't make you a bad person, you just don't understand and that isn't your fault. Try opening your mind. Otherwise, you just look rude, offensive and so far behind you think you are first. Try, just try and see things from a different perspective. It's not that hard, really. No need to continue to be offensive. All of this is concurrent with "I'm not a racist, but..." | |||
Am I being unreasonable here?
That a man engaging in a sexual act with another man is Gay / Bi?
I don't understand - why all the denial!
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""This kind of thinking is from the dark ages. Well i thought it was "
Am I being unreasonable here?
That a man engaging in a sexual act with another man is Gay / Bi?
I don't understand - why all the denial!
"Because you have previously equated that trans, or the TV/TS 'tag' doesn't compute for you. Like I said above, it isn't your fault. It can seem new, and hard to understand, at first. | |||
I'm mixed race and bi!
And mad if that fits into any other minority groups lol!
"transphobic" ....
Really?
I'm not phobic about anyone - I'm just really bored of men on here lying about their sexuality!
It's not the TV / CD / TS that are lying it's the "straight" men that fuck them!
Fab is full on "single" and "straight" men!
LOL!
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""This kind of thinking is from the dark ages. Well i thought it was "
Am I being unreasonable here?
That a man engaging in a sexual act with another man is Gay / Bi?
I don't understand - why all the denial!
"Yes the guy is bi or curious or gay. But the ts/gender is born with a mans body with a cock. But are trapped in that body. Think of the battle they go throu everyday before you judge! | |||
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""This kind of thinking is from the dark ages. Well i thought it was "
Am I being unreasonable here?
That a man engaging in a sexual act with another man is Gay / Bi?
I don't understand - why all the denial!
Yes the guy is bi or curious or gay. But the ts/gender is born with a mans body with a cock. But are trapped in that body. Think of the battle they go throu everyday before you judge!"I'm really not judging! I understand how it is to be different and how painful it is to not be accepted! I grew up in a rich affluent town in the 80's where there was only white people. I had stupid frizzy hair black skin a white mother and hand me down clothes! If only I had an avatar for a tiny violin
I'm not judging anyone!
I just think people should be honest and if you are Bi - own it!
that's all!
I'm exhausted now!
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"Nobody is judging the TV or cd or whoever Its the 'straight'guys that meet them that are in denial about being straight "Exactly! If you're bi just own it! | |||
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"Nancy... So your a TV right? So a guy that you have sex with married kids ect... Do you still class that man as straight?" Read my profile oldie! | |||
"Nancy... So your a TV right? So a guy that you have sex with married kids ect... Do you still class that man as straight? Read my profile oldie!" | |||
"Nancy... So your a TV right? So a guy that you have sex with married kids ect... Do you still class that man as straight? Read my profile oldie!" I have and I know you are post op and are now a woman but I'm asking about the guys your having sex with before you were and just still dressing as a woman...did you clas these men as straight | |||
"Nancy... So your a TV right? So a guy that you have sex with married kids ect... Do you still class that man as straight? Read my profile oldie!I have and I know you are post op and are now a woman but I'm asking about the guys your having sex with before you were and just still dressing as a woman...did you clas these men as straight " How do you know she did ? | |||
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"Are you, then, classing me as not a woman, prior to surgery? That is the point of ALL of this. You lot are obsessed with the sexuality of the men who choose to sleep with trans women, but you are bypassing the actual transwoman and equating her as male, which IS transphobic. If the man fucks a trans woman, at best - in your opinion - he MUST be bi, but what about the transwoman? You cannot excise her from this situation, and by calling the man gay/bi you are ignoring the transwomans sexuality. At what point would you class me as female? When the surgeon made his first incision? When he had sown his last stitch? When I woke up after surgery? Or, maybe, long long before I even got to the point of surgery... Like I have said, it IS new, some people won't have experienced this or even thought about it, but before you make comment, think of all involved. By questioning the man, you are devaluing the woman. " Some very good points made here but,,,,this thread is not about women like you and I.For some reason this site has that category of 'tv/ts',which to all intents and purposes means 'guys who like to dress up',,,notwithstanding how they may feel inside or identify themselves,they have certain male,physical attributes (balls). The question,even so,was not so much about the 'tv/ts' themselves,more about the guys that go with them,,are they gay/bi? I say it depends on who does what to whom and which bits they do it with.I also say,,,what does it matter? who cares? (the wives and kids being kissed goodnight later probably would care if they knew but,,,apart from that,,,so what?). Gay/Bi/Straight???? It all tastes pretty much the same to me. | |||
"If any of our lovely trans ladies are reading this thread and are getting extremely pissed off and feel the need to deliver a harsh thrashing, I selflessly volunteer as tribute "at least your up front saying your bi | |||
"If any of our lovely trans ladies are reading this thread and are getting extremely pissed off and feel the need to deliver a harsh thrashing, I selflessly volunteer as tribute at least your up front saying your bi "It's oh so much more confusing than that . Depending where the lady in question is from, my identifying as bi for sleeping with her could be seen as insulting. I wrote an extremely long post in another iteration of this thread about a year ago, but can't find it 
The main reason I identify as bi is not to confuse the the cis ladies on this site. | |||
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"Is it possible that those men arnt lying but just don't fit into the narrow little box or category that people so desperatly want them in? People aren't objects to be catagorised and lableled and sexuality and gender are not simple enough to have clearly defined categories. On a site like this people have lots of reasons for selecting the overly simplified options available to them. Ok some men may not be being honest, some may actualy use logic that others don't see. Why is it necessary for others to prejudge them just because they opt to define themselves differently. As I see it the ones who need to own anything are the ones who insist on trying to get everyone to be the same. We are NOT the same and I would have expected members on a site like this to understand that better than most. To put it more personally, how I chose to define myself, given the very simplistic options availabe, is my choice. It is my profile, my life, my choice, no one elses, in fact the only person who has any right to judge it is me and the people I chose to share it with. If someone doesn't like it then chances it is unlikely we will get on anyway. I tend to find these threds about fab straight, straight meeting tv/ts, or whatever, increadably narrow minded and quite frankly insulting to both the Trans Admirers and the Trans people. What's wrong with live and let live, if what you read on a profile isn't something you like, stop reading and move on, shurely there are pleanty of others available. Owl" | |||
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"It's not worth worrying about. They identify as straight and that's all that matters. Unless you happen to be a blood donor for instance? I can only assume you are hinting at HIV. It is worth repeating - yet again - that there are more straight people with HIV than gay at the moment. Also, the ban on gay men and blood donation is currently well under review and highly likely to be revoked. " It's nothing to do with the numbers its new infections. New infections can be undetectable for a few months (long enough for tbe blood to be used) 50% of new infections are gay men, but gay men only make up less than 5% of the population. So by excluding 5% they reduce the risk by 50% Thats a big improvement for very little cost in terms of donor numbers. Its a sensible policy and most gay people agree when they are told why its in place | |||
"Sorry But it is a open and shut case for me If your a guy and you let another person with a Penis suck you off or you suck them or any sexual act...your at the very least bi... Own it!!!" Wait so a guy who looks like the rock but has been gelded suxking you off would be a totaly straight thing to do? | |||
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"Boy this thread made my head spin... "I am more confused now than the guys who meet tv/ts and call themselves straight | |||
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"If you have a Penis and the rock has a Penis..yeah your both bi at the very least " You need to look up gelding | |||
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"What's horses got to do with ? "A gelding isn't a breed of horse. Rather a horse that has had a certain medical procedure performed on it | |||
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"It's not worth worrying about. They identify as straight and that's all that matters. Unless you happen to be a blood donor for instance? I can only assume you are hinting at HIV. It is worth repeating - yet again - that there are more straight people with HIV than gay at the moment. Also, the ban on gay men and blood donation is currently well under review and highly likely to be revoked. It's nothing to do with the numbers its new infections. New infections can be undetectable for a few months (long enough for tbe blood to be used) 50% of new infections are gay men, but gay men only make up less than 5% of the population. So by excluding 5% they reduce the risk by 50% Thats a big improvement for very little cost in terms of donor numbers. Its a sensible policy and most gay people agree when they are told why its in place " Sorry, but that is Bullshit. Banning gay men from giving blood IS on it's way out. It is discriminatory otherwise. Not all gay men have anal sex, and of those that DO, a decent number will have a long term partner and have been tested. It's interesting that you note that 50% of new infections aren't from gay men, but you have no issue with all straight people giving blood... | |||
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"I've clicked on a few T profiles because I'm amazed how good they look, maybe a fantasy of mine, I'm unsure
I Certainly still think I'm straight, she's just a gorgeous girl with something different in her knickers. "still a man. How wud i be seen if i dressed as a male? | |||
"It's not worth worrying about. They identify as straight and that's all that matters. Unless you happen to be a blood donor for instance? I can only assume you are hinting at HIV. It is worth repeating - yet again - that there are more straight people with HIV than gay at the moment. Also, the ban on gay men and blood donation is currently well under review and highly likely to be revoked. It's nothing to do with the numbers its new infections. New infections can be undetectable for a few months (long enough for tbe blood to be used) 50% of new infections are gay men, but gay men only make up less than 5% of the population. So by excluding 5% they reduce the risk by 50% Thats a big improvement for very little cost in terms of donor numbers. Its a sensible policy and most gay people agree when they are told why its in place Sorry, but that is Bullshit. Banning gay men from giving blood IS on it's way out. It is discriminatory otherwise. Not all gay men have anal sex, and of those that DO, a decent number will have a long term partner and have been tested. It's interesting that you note that 50% of new infections aren't from gay men, but you have no issue with all straight people giving blood..." i agree with you | |||
"It's what's called fab straight....." zing | |||
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"It's not worth worrying about. They identify as straight and that's all that matters. Unless you happen to be a blood donor for instance? I can only assume you are hinting at HIV. It is worth repeating - yet again - that there are more straight people with HIV than gay at the moment. Also, the ban on gay men and blood donation is currently well under review and highly likely to be revoked. It's nothing to do with the numbers its new infections. New infections can be undetectable for a few months (long enough for tbe blood to be used) 50% of new infections are gay men, but gay men only make up less than 5% of the population. So by excluding 5% they reduce the risk by 50% Thats a big improvement for very little cost in terms of donor numbers. Its a sensible policy and most gay people agree when they are told why its in place Sorry, but that is Bullshit. Banning gay men from giving blood IS on it's way out. It is discriminatory otherwise. Not all gay men have anal sex, and of those that DO, a decent number will have a long term partner and have been tested. It's interesting that you note that 50% of new infections aren't from gay men, but you have no issue with all straight people giving blood..." Well its not discriminatory its risk management. And yes 50% arent from gay men but That 50% is spread throughout 95% of the population so the risk is hugley less. Its a pure statistics excercise. Lose 5% of donors reduce risk by 50% That's a vast improvement. | |||
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"So if I identify as a chair does that mean I am one
I'm in no way a homophobe or have anything against anyone who wants to be male female or horse!
But to me if you have a penis then you are a man!
In a lot of cases an amazingly gorgeous womanly man - but still a man.
I can't imagine how it must be to feel that you are another gender- but feeling like something else or wanting to be it really badly doesn't make it so!
Said without prejudice and love
"well at last a sensible answer a bloke in a thong and dress does not make them female no matter how hot they look or how many hormones they take,so if a man has sex with a tv/ts then he is most deff not straight lol they are just deluded,it is rather funny really,yes some great looking tv/ts's but it don't make them female | |||
"Also, every blood donation is tested for HIV. And as I say, every gay man does NOT have anal, or have multiple partners, the law is discriminatory and will be repelled. Look at the outrage in Orlando - SO many people queued round the block to provide blood after the Pulse shooting as gay men aren't allowed to. It's the 21st Century, people really need better education in this area. " Yes they are tested but new infections can be undetectable for a period of time (long enough for blood donation to be an issue) which is why the number of new infections is an issue. And yes you are correct not all gay men have sex. Which is why the ban is not on gay men. It is on "have you had sex with an other man in the last 12 months" if you haven't but are gay you can still donate. It will not be repealed because its "discriminatory" because its not a right to give blood or a service your accessing. It's blocked because its a major risk reduction for a tiny loss of donors. You are correct people need better education. As with every post you've shown a complete lack of knowledge. For one you think its "gay men" that are restricted when its not. | |||
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"So if I identify as a chair does that mean I am one
I'm in no way a homophobe or have anything against anyone who wants to be male female or horse!
But to me if you have a penis then you are a man!
In a lot of cases an amazingly gorgeous womanly man - but still a man.
I can't imagine how it must be to feel that you are another gender- but feeling like something else or wanting to be it really badly doesn't make it so!
Said without prejudice and love
well at last a sensible answer a bloke in a thong and dress does not make them female no matter how hot they look or how many hormones they take,so if a man has sex with a tv/ts then he is most deff not straight lol they are just deluded,it is rather funny really,yes some great looking tv/ts's but it don't make them female"So..by that rationale, anyone with a penis is male and anyone with no penis is female?? That's an opinion, I suppose but one that many would disagree with. | |||
"So if I identify as a chair does that mean I am one
I'm in no way a homophobe or have anything against anyone who wants to be male female or horse!
But to me if you have a penis then you are a man!
In a lot of cases an amazingly gorgeous womanly man - but still a man.
I can't imagine how it must be to feel that you are another gender- but feeling like something else or wanting to be it really badly doesn't make it so!
Said without prejudice and love
well at last a sensible answer a bloke in a thong and dress does not make them female no matter how hot they look or how many hormones they take,so if a man has sex with a tv/ts then he is most deff not straight lol they are just deluded,it is rather funny really,yes some great looking tv/ts's but it don't make them female
So..by that rationale, anyone with a penis is male and anyone with no penis is female??
That's an opinion, I suppose but one that many would disagree with."It is also an opinion that shows a complete lack of understanding, is disrespectful and insulting to those who are somewhere on the transition path. In fact it is the gender equivalent of blatent rascism and should not be acceptable in modern society. Owl | |||
"I'm new to this so maybe a bit naive also. But loads of straight guys say they will meet TV/TS. Am I missing something here? " If you can't see or feel their bollocks you're straight | |||
"So if I identify as a chair does that mean I am one
I'm in no way a homophobe or have anything against anyone who wants to be male female or horse!
But to me if you have a penis then you are a man!
In a lot of cases an amazingly gorgeous womanly man - but still a man.
I can't imagine how it must be to feel that you are another gender- but feeling like something else or wanting to be it really badly doesn't make it so!
Said without prejudice and love
well at last a sensible answer a bloke in a thong and dress does not make them female no matter how hot they look or how many hormones they take,so if a man has sex with a tv/ts then he is most deff not straight lol they are just deluded,it is rather funny really,yes some great looking tv/ts's but it don't make them female
So..by that rationale, anyone with a penis is male and anyone with no penis is female??
That's an opinion, I suppose but one that many would disagree with.
It is also an opinion that shows a complete lack of understanding, is disrespectful and insulting to those who are somewhere on the transition path. In fact it is the gender equivalent of blatent rascism and should not be acceptable in modern society.
Owl"the truth alas often hurts and i can't make it right, there are some things you can't change and this is one of them | |||
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"Also, every blood donation is tested for HIV. And as I say, every gay man does NOT have anal, or have multiple partners, the law is discriminatory and will be repelled. Look at the outrage in Orlando - SO many people queued round the block to provide blood after the Pulse shooting as gay men aren't allowed to. It's the 21st Century, people really need better education in this area. Yes they are tested but new infections can be undetectable for a period of time (long enough for blood donation to be an issue) which is why the number of new infections is an issue. And yes you are correct not all gay men have sex. Which is why the ban is not on gay men. It is on "have you had sex with an other man in the last 12 months" if you haven't but are gay you can still donate. It will not be repealed because its "discriminatory" because its not a right to give blood or a service your accessing. It's blocked because its a major risk reduction for a tiny loss of donors. You are correct people need better education. As with every post you've shown a complete lack of knowledge. For one you think its "gay men" that are restricted when its not." I was using gay men rather than MSM as not many on here know what it means. I'll be sure to update my knowledge with my HIV specialist at my next appointment *EYE ROLL* | |||
"Depends where you draw the line and how you understand the trams spectrum Personally I define it as such CD - man that dresses in female attire but still identifies as male (gay/bi/curious for meeting them) TV - a man that dresses in female attire and often likes to be addressed as a female in female form but still identifies as male (gay/bi/curious) TS - dresses as female and identifies as a female and lives their lives that way therefore are a woman (straight) TG - a person who as fully changed from male to female because they are now who they feel they always were (straight) Please feel free to change the example above as fitting for female to male gender roles " | |||
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You do know people can disagree without being a bigot or homophobic.... You see things one way and they see things another.
For instance I'm smoker fluid. Some people call me a smoker because I vape and smoke a cigarette when I go out drinking. But I don't smoke everyday.
I don't think they are being rude. They just don't know what the term smoker fluid means. I Try to educate them instead attacking people. You guys/girls defending the ts/tg community should try this approach | |||
"Also, every blood donation is tested for HIV. And as I say, every gay man does NOT have anal, or have multiple partners, the law is discriminatory and will be repelled. Look at the outrage in Orlando - SO many people queued round the block to provide blood after the Pulse shooting as gay men aren't allowed to. It's the 21st Century, people really need better education in this area. Yes they are tested but new infections can be undetectable for a period of time (long enough for blood donation to be an issue) which is why the number of new infections is an issue. And yes you are correct not all gay men have sex. Which is why the ban is not on gay men. It is on "have you had sex with an other man in the last 12 months" if you haven't but are gay you can still donate. It will not be repealed because its "discriminatory" because its not a right to give blood or a service your accessing. It's blocked because its a major risk reduction for a tiny loss of donors. You are correct people need better education. As with every post you've shown a complete lack of knowledge. For one you think its "gay men" that are restricted when its not. I was using gay men rather than MSM as not many on here know what it means. I'll be sure to update my knowledge with my HIV specialist at my next appointment *EYE ROLL*" Not sure what you getting HIV has to do with the blood service trying to limit the risk of others catching HIV. You'd think that would have opened your eyes to the danger of the disease. | |||
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"Yawn! It's getting boring now! This whole debate was about whether men that fuck TV / TS are straight! I actually don't care whether they are or not! I'm just not into people that are in denial - dress it up with as many words and analogies as you want - but I'm into things being as they are! Love xx yes denial i agree " | |||
"Now that several countries officially categorise people as 'non binary gender', so not male or female, do our straight, bi or gay labels need adjustment?" Well said. I would argue that even if other countries were not categorising people as non binary gender, we should still be doing so and rethinking our little tick boxes. As it is we are stuck with selecting the one we feel most closely represents who we are and then face people who don't like that choice and want to impose their view at every opportunity. Time to Live and let Live. (Those who don't like my choices don't know me and have no need to know me, so no issue.) Owl | |||
