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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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BBC are reporting that upto half the shadow cabinet are ready to resign. Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander are gone.
Lots of grassroots supporters are venting the frustration at Corbyn's lack of support for the remain campaign. It was the traditional labour voters who voted to leave in droves. |
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"BBC are reporting that upto half the shadow cabinet are ready to resign. Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander are gone.
Lots of grassroots supporters are venting the frustration at Corbyn's lack of support for the remain campaign. It was the traditional labour voters who voted to leave in droves. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"BBC are reporting that upto half the shadow cabinet are ready to resign. Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander are gone.
Lots of grassroots supporters are venting the frustration at Corbyn's lack of support for the remain campaign. It was the traditional labour voters who voted to leave in droves.
Hahaha "
I wonder who will miss him the most, the luddites in the trade unions or hardcore conservative voters. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"BBC are reporting that upto half the shadow cabinet are ready to resign. Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander are gone.
Lots of grassroots supporters are venting the frustration at Corbyn's lack of support for the remain campaign. It was the traditional labour voters who voted to leave in droves. "
Personally I can see the labour party splitting and becoming two separate party's, which would be a great shame.
They're not much of an opposition party at the moment, divided they'd be even less effective. I truly believe that any party in power needs a strong opposition.
Also, I feel the labour party has lost sight of its roots and is more about making statements and extreme causes, as opposed to its history of understanding the working class and truly working to benefit them.
Going back a few years, the miners strike did more financial harm to its members than what it was fighting against. Yet the union leaders didn't seem to be suffering at all.
I remember seeing scargill chauffer driven in his Jag visiting the picket lines. He didn't look hungry or scared or like he'd bought his clothes from Oxfam.
Tuppence spent.....
##wentoffononeforaminute....
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"BBC are reporting that upto half the shadow cabinet are ready to resign. Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander are gone.
Lots of grassroots supporters are venting the frustration at Corbyn's lack of support for the remain campaign. It was the traditional labour voters who voted to leave in droves.
Personally I can see the labour party splitting and becoming two separate party's, which would be a great shame.
They're not much of an opposition party at the moment, divided they'd be even less effective. I truly believe that any party in power needs a strong opposition.
Also, I feel the labour party has lost sight of its roots and is more about making statements and extreme causes, as opposed to its history of understanding the working class and truly working to benefit them.
Going back a few years, the miners strike did more financial harm to its members than what it was fighting against. Yet the union leaders didn't seem to be suffering at all.
I remember seeing scargill chauffer driven in his Jag visiting the picket lines. He didn't look hungry or scared or like he'd bought his clothes from Oxfam.
Tuppence spent.....
##wentoffononeforaminute....
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My view of them is that the only things they do are in the very short term interests of their members and they have no strategy for the long term benefit of their members. Bunch of dinosaurs. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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5 gone now. Ian Murray, Gloria de Piero and Lillian Greenwood.
Keep in mind that anyone sensible has already refused to serve under him (like Chuka Umunna, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper and Tristram Hunt).
So the people quitting now are either part of the looney left themselves or the kind of slime balls that would sell their grandmother for a share of power. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Hopefully out all this we get MPs who listen to the people who elected them, all parties deserve to go and lose the fat pensions"
Well Corbyn was elected by trade unions so he sort of has listened to the people who elected him! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"UK is in meltdown as well, not just the parties."
If I'd known a leave vote would get rid of this dangerous parasite then I wouldn't have voted to stay. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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it will be interesting... because they are just the senior shadow cabinet ministers... and they reckon another 5 could go today...
there are big rumours a lot of junior ministers will resign tomorrow...
there may not be enough mp's willing to serve under corbyn of minsterial briefs....  some juniors may have to double up.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Labour in meltdown. No sign of anybody from the government. George Osborne has vanished. Boris and Give vanished aswell ( probably Germany ) ... People rebelling against the Democratic referendum. Dave " why should I sort this shit out" Cameron staying quite and doing buggerall. Half of Europe bitter towards us. The Scots leaving the union. The pound going down the drain.
Someone pass me a gin and tonic ! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I suggest you all check Andy Burnham's Wikipedia entry
For what?
Just do it before it gets taken down "
It's a long bloody page, I couldn't seem anything at the front that looked odd? |
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"BBC are reporting that upto half the shadow cabinet are ready to resign. Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander are gone.
Lots of grassroots supporters are venting the frustration at Corbyn's lack of support for the remain campaign. It was the traditional labour voters who voted to leave in droves.
Hahaha "
Is this from the BBC because as far as I'm aware the grassroot supports him and it's just media spin as always.
Cameron has resigned and all they can say is that Labour are in turmoil???!
I think they should be more concerned with who will lead the country rather than the opposition and focus on the actual facts. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"BBC are reporting that upto half the shadow cabinet are ready to resign. Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander are gone.
Lots of grassroots supporters are venting the frustration at Corbyn's lack of support for the remain campaign. It was the traditional labour voters who voted to leave in droves.
Hahaha
Is this from the BBC because as far as I'm aware the grassroot supports him and it's just media spin as always.
Cameron has resigned and all they can say is that Labour are in turmoil???!
I think they should be more concerned with who will lead the country rather than the opposition and focus on the actual facts. "
It's media spin that 6 of the shadow cabinet have resigned? |
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"BBC are reporting that upto half the shadow cabinet are ready to resign. Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander are gone.
Lots of grassroots supporters are venting the frustration at Corbyn's lack of support for the remain campaign. It was the traditional labour voters who voted to leave in droves.
Hahaha
Is this from the BBC because as far as I'm aware the grassroot supports him and it's just media spin as always.
Cameron has resigned and all they can say is that Labour are in turmoil???!
I think they should be more concerned with who will lead the country rather than the opposition and focus on the actual facts. "
It's not media spin that the core labour vote choose to ignore Corbyn in a national vote with a high turnout |
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Last throw of the dice by the Blairites before the Chilcot report comes out in a week or so.
It's not a tap to turning and off and to say otherwise shows contempt for voters but factually 63% of Labour Voters voted remain. 64% of the SNP and 75% of the Green voters.
So why pick on Corbyn who likely was closer to the majority of the population in terms of the eu.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Last throw of the dice by the Blairites before the Chilcot report comes out in a week or so.
It's not a tap to turning and off and to say otherwise shows contempt for voters but factually 63% of Labour Voters voted remain. 64% of the SNP and 75% of the Green voters.
So why pick on Corbyn who likely was closer to the majority of the population in terms of the eu.
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Given that the North is labour heartland, the EU voting map certainly didn't look like 63% of labour voters wanted to remain!
Unless you mean that 99% of Labour voters in London voted to remain and 1% of Northern ones did - that sounds more likely. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"5 gone now. Ian Murray, Gloria de Piero and Lillian Greenwood.
Keep in mind that anyone sensible has already refused to serve under him (like Chuka Umunna, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper and Tristram Hunt).
So the people quitting now are either part of the looney left themselves or the kind of slime balls that would sell their grandmother for a share of power."
ah you mean the quizl.... sorry libdems ? the silence from that party is deafening ? |
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"Last throw of the dice by the Blairites before the Chilcot report comes out in a week or so.
It's not a tap to turning and off and to say otherwise shows contempt for voters but factually 63% of Labour Voters voted remain. 64% of the SNP and 75% of the Green voters.
So why pick on Corbyn who likely was closer to the majority of the population in terms of the eu.
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Places such as Sunderland, Stoke and Wolverhampton turned their back on Corbyn's advice. Spout away about Blair but there is a general election due November and Islington talking points won't wash with the public outside London. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"5 gone now. Ian Murray, Gloria de Piero and Lillian Greenwood.
Keep in mind that anyone sensible has already refused to serve under him (like Chuka Umunna, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper and Tristram Hunt).
So the people quitting now are either part of the looney left themselves or the kind of slime balls that would sell their grandmother for a share of power.ah you mean the quizl.... sorry libdems ? the silence from that party is deafening ?"
Yeah it is a bit, has been since the general election. They don't get invited on question time much, don't get much BBC coverage. Shame in my humble opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The Labour Party was formed because the country was being run by the public school types (in those days called Toffs) who didn't really understand what life was like for the 'common man'.
So, formed the Labour Party to give the common man a voice.
Fast forward 120 or so years and look at the Labour MPs. Mostly 'Toffs', all educated at the same schools as the Tory politicians, they chose the Labour Party as a career choice rather than because they believe in anything it represents or represented.
So, we basically have a 1 party system that pretend to argue with each other, but the nitty gritty of it all, it's exactly the same as it is with either party.
It's not the Labour Party that's doomed, it's us. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"BBC are reporting that upto half the shadow cabinet are ready to resign. Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander are gone.
Lots of grassroots supporters are venting the frustration at Corbyn's lack of support for the remain campaign. It was the traditional labour voters who voted to leave in droves.
Hahaha
I wonder who will miss him the most, the luddites in the trade unions or hardcore conservative voters. "
 I really think hardly anyone will miss this man. good riddance |
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Part of the problem is the media in this country. The BBC has been hell bent on damning Corbyn at every opportunity. Most of the rest are so right wing that it's no wonder that we don't have a fair political system and electorate involvement in the UK. Spin and lies are the order of the day. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"BBC are reporting that upto half the shadow cabinet are ready to resign. Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander are gone.
Lots of grassroots supporters are venting the frustration at Corbyn's lack of support for the remain campaign. It was the traditional labour voters who voted to leave in droves.
Hahaha
I wonder who will miss him the most, the luddites in the trade unions or hardcore conservative voters. I really think hardly anyone will miss this man. good riddance "
I'll miss him in the way labour voters would miss Hitler leading the conservatives. You won't miss his outrageous speeches but you will miss the comfort of knowing the majority of the electorate wouldn't touch him with a 60 foot pole. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Part of the problem is the media in this country. The BBC has been hell bent on damning Corbyn at every opportunity. Most of the rest are so right wing that it's no wonder that we don't have a fair political system and electorate involvement in the UK. Spin and lies are the order of the day."
Always a conspiracy!
The BBC is left to the core. Government employees are not known for their right wing views!!
The media generally has reported criticism that has come from within the labour party. The guy identifies as a Marxist, if anyone identified as a facist they'd be strung up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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In a perfect world, I think Corbin would be a great priminister but its not, so he won't
We need a labour leader that is willing to do what it tsakes to get things done, so are need to find a common ground between cobyn and Frank Underwood lol |
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"Part of the problem is the media in this country. The BBC has been hell bent on damning Corbyn at every opportunity. Most of the rest are so right wing that it's no wonder that we don't have a fair political system and electorate involvement in the UK. Spin and lies are the order of the day."
Yes but this was a binary vote on a generational issue. Labour had the resources and choose not to engage fully in the debate. You can gameplay tory infighting but first you need to win. People like winners. Corbyn is a loser  |
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"5 gone now. Ian Murray, Gloria de Piero and Lillian Greenwood.
Keep in mind that anyone sensible has already refused to serve under him (like Chuka Umunna, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper and Tristram Hunt).
So the people quitting now are either part of the looney left themselves or the kind of slime balls that would sell their grandmother for a share of power."
Andy Burnham still there then? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Part of the problem is the media in this country. The BBC has been hell bent on damning Corbyn at every opportunity. Most of the rest are so right wing that it's no wonder that we don't have a fair political system and electorate involvement in the UK. Spin and lies are the order of the day.
Yes but this was a binary vote on a generational issue. Labour had the resources and choose not to engage fully in the debate. You can gameplay tory infighting but first you need to win. People like winners. Corbyn is a loser "
Lots of the people resigning are saying that 'he's a nice chap but not a leader'. A kind person would say he's a philosophy lecturer who belongs in a university and a cruel man would say he's a complete pussy who doesn't have a balls for real politics. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"5 gone now. Ian Murray, Gloria de Piero and Lillian Greenwood.
Keep in mind that anyone sensible has already refused to serve under him (like Chuka Umunna, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper and Tristram Hunt).
So the people quitting now are either part of the looney left themselves or the kind of slime balls that would sell their grandmother for a share of power.
Andy Burnham still there then? "
Bingo, that man would serve Satan if he was offered the right position |
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"Part of the problem is the media in this country. The BBC has been hell bent on damning Corbyn at every opportunity. Most of the rest are so right wing that it's no wonder that we don't have a fair political system and electorate involvement in the UK. Spin and lies are the order of the day.
Yes but this was a binary vote on a generational issue. Labour had the resources and choose not to engage fully in the debate. You can gameplay tory infighting but first you need to win. People like winners. Corbyn is a loser "
Corbyn should have stuck to his eurosceptic principles and and joined the Labour Leave group. He has been anti EU for 99% of his career in politics. He could have been seen as a winner who represents the views of all those Labour voters who voted leave. The Blairites who begged him to join the remain campaign would be defeated and they would not have a leg to stand on now. Instead Corbyn now looks like a sell out who backed a bunch of losers, turned his back on his anti EU principles and now the same Blairites who begged for his support are now attacking him and attempting to remove him as leader. Corbyn brought this on himself. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Part of the problem is the media in this country. The BBC has been hell bent on damning Corbyn at every opportunity. Most of the rest are so right wing that it's no wonder that we don't have a fair political system and electorate involvement in the UK. Spin and lies are the order of the day.
Yes but this was a binary vote on a generational issue. Labour had the resources and choose not to engage fully in the debate. You can gameplay tory infighting but first you need to win. People like winners. Corbyn is a loser
Corbyn should have stuck to his eurosceptic principles and and joined the Labour Leave group. He has been anti EU for 99% of his career in politics. He could have been seen as a winner who represents the views of all those Labour voters who voted leave. The Blairites who begged him to join the remain campaign would be defeated and they would not have a leg to stand on now. Instead Corbyn now looks like a sell out who backed a bunch of losers, turned his back on his anti EU principles and now the same Blairites who begged for his support are now attacking him and attempting to remove him as leader. Corbyn brought this on himself. "
Exactly, he pitched himself as a "man of principle" and then sold out at the first test. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"UK is in meltdown as well, not just the parties.
Thats true possibly
Its much more fun watching corbyn get his
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Indeed, if Rome is going to burn then at least it's his house that's going down first |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"5 gone now. Ian Murray, Gloria de Piero and Lillian Greenwood.
Keep in mind that anyone sensible has already refused to serve under him (like Chuka Umunna, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper and Tristram Hunt).
So the people quitting now are either part of the looney left themselves or the kind of slime balls that would sell their grandmother for a share of power.
Andy Burnham still there then?
Bingo, that man would serve Satan if he was offered the right position "
Not the right position, any position.
Have you seen his wiki page yet? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"5 gone now. Ian Murray, Gloria de Piero and Lillian Greenwood.
Keep in mind that anyone sensible has already refused to serve under him (like Chuka Umunna, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper and Tristram Hunt).
So the people quitting now are either part of the looney left themselves or the kind of slime balls that would sell their grandmother for a share of power.
Andy Burnham still there then?
Bingo, that man would serve Satan if he was offered the right position
Not the right position, any position.
Have you seen his wiki page yet?"
Other than a lot of eye liner it looks normal... |
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"Part of the problem is the media in this country. The BBC has been hell bent on damning Corbyn at every opportunity. Most of the rest are so right wing that it's no wonder that we don't have a fair political system and electorate involvement in the UK. Spin and lies are the order of the day.
Yes but this was a binary vote on a generational issue. Labour had the resources and choose not to engage fully in the debate. You can gameplay tory infighting but first you need to win. People like winners. Corbyn is a loser
Corbyn should have stuck to his eurosceptic principles and and joined the Labour Leave group. He has been anti EU for 99% of his career in politics. He could have been seen as a winner who represents the views of all those Labour voters who voted leave. The Blairites who begged him to join the remain campaign would be defeated and they would not have a leg to stand on now. Instead Corbyn now looks like a sell out who backed a bunch of losers, turned his back on his anti EU principles and now the same Blairites who begged for his support are now attacking him and attempting to remove him as leader. Corbyn brought this on himself.
Exactly, he pitched himself as a "man of principle" and then sold out at the first test."
The only good to come out of this for Labour is the Labour Leave group. Huge credit to those few Labour rebels like Kate Hoey, Dennis Skinner, John Mann, Frank Field, John Mills, etc. Looks like John Mann called it correctly when he said the mainstream Labour party are disconnected with the traditional working class in this country. It is a huge wake up call for the Labour party. They need to re engage with the working class again otherwise they will face oblivion. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Part of the problem is the media in this country. The BBC has been hell bent on damning Corbyn at every opportunity. Most of the rest are so right wing that it's no wonder that we don't have a fair political system and electorate involvement in the UK. Spin and lies are the order of the day.
Yes but this was a binary vote on a generational issue. Labour had the resources and choose not to engage fully in the debate. You can gameplay tory infighting but first you need to win. People like winners. Corbyn is a loser
Corbyn should have stuck to his eurosceptic principles and and joined the Labour Leave group. He has been anti EU for 99% of his career in politics. He could have been seen as a winner who represents the views of all those Labour voters who voted leave. The Blairites who begged him to join the remain campaign would be defeated and they would not have a leg to stand on now. Instead Corbyn now looks like a sell out who backed a bunch of losers, turned his back on his anti EU principles and now the same Blairites who begged for his support are now attacking him and attempting to remove him as leader. Corbyn brought this on himself.
Exactly, he pitched himself as a "man of principle" and then sold out at the first test.
The only good to come out of this for Labour is the Labour Leave group. Huge credit to those few Labour rebels like Kate Hoey, Dennis Skinner, John Mann, Frank Field, John Mills, etc. Looks like John Mann called it correctly when he said the mainstream Labour party are disconnected with the traditional working class in this country. It is a huge wake up call for the Labour party. They need to re engage with the working class again otherwise they will face oblivion. "
Labour are the party that sit there criticising everyone else. They don't actually have any good ideas and when asked how they'd fund them they basically suggest plucking money out their ass.
They have no electoral prospects until they actually have proper ideas on raising the living standards of the average man. Other than just stealing money from other people and paying people to vote for them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Hopefully out all this we get MPs who listen to the people who elected them, all parties deserve to go and lose the fat pensions
Well Corbyn was elected by trade unions so he sort of has listened to the people who elected him! "
Ed Milliband was too I think. X |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ah those heady days when posters on here were harping on about "smelling the fear" when it came to him being a shoe in for the next prime minister.
Now all I can smell is bullshit and an Insipid shabby man who sheepishly exited Pride stage left yesterday.
Omnishamble. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Hopefully out all this we get MPs who listen to the people who elected them, all parties deserve to go and lose the fat pensions
Well Corbyn was elected by trade unions so he sort of has listened to the people who elected him!
Ed Milliband was too I think. X"
Write this name on a piece of paper and keep it somewhere: "Dan Jarvis"
When he becomes leader then Labour are serious, back in business and every Tory in the country will shit their pants. |
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"Ah those heady days when posters on here were harping on about "smelling the fear" when it came to him being a shoe in for the next prime minister.
Now all I can smell is bullshit and an Insipid shabby man who sheepishly exited Pride stage left yesterday.
Omnishamble. "
Did you see the labour supporter at pride going postal at him over his (lack of) referendum campaigning? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ah those heady days when posters on here were harping on about "smelling the fear" when it came to him being a shoe in for the next prime minister.
Now all I can smell is bullshit and an Insipid shabby man who sheepishly exited Pride stage left yesterday.
Omnishamble.
Did you see the labour supporter at pride going postal at him over his (lack of) referendum campaigning? "
Yup and as usual he ran away mumbling.
Simply oozing charisma |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Ah those heady days when posters on here were harping on about "smelling the fear" when it came to him being a shoe in for the next prime minister.
Now all I can smell is bullshit and an Insipid shabby man who sheepishly exited Pride stage left yesterday.
Omnishamble.
Did you see the labour supporter at pride going postal at him over his (lack of) referendum campaigning?
Yup and as usual he ran away mumbling.
Simply oozing charisma "
The funny thing was the guy was asking pretty basic and straight forward questions. He wasn't just some looney member of the public shouting off. Corbyn just puts his tail between his legs and cowers like the bitch he is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm ashamed to say that we voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
I never thought he was the right person for the job but hoped he might realign the party along more leftist lines. We are the very epitomy of a Corbynista - young, public sector, middle class liberals.
I now think that we made a terrible error, and that Jezza has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster. He hasn't the charisma or leadership skills needed to do the things we hoped he might. He can moan all he likes about the media ignoring him but a leader has the force of personality to deny them that option. He's an irrevelence outside of certain circles and I don't have the faith that he can turn it round. The party needs to act before large sections of their support is gone
forever.
I dislike the zealotry evident in politics at the moment, and the abuse at these opinions on social media is extremely unedifying.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm ashamed to say that we voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
I never thought he was the right person for the job but hoped he might realign the party along more leftist lines. We are the very epitomy of a Corbynista - young, public sector, middle class liberals.
I now think that we made a terrible error, and that Jezza has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster. He hasn't the charisma or leadership skills needed to do the things we hoped he might. He can moan all he likes about the media ignoring him but a leader has the force of personality to deny them that option. He's an irrevelence outside of certain circles and I don't have the faith that he can turn it round. The party needs to act before large sections of their support is gone
forever.
I dislike the zealotry evident in politics at the moment, and the abuse at these opinions on social media is extremely unedifying.
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Well now that you've learnt your lesson about the looney left, please get behind Dan Jarvis and we can have some proper opposition again |
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By (user no longer on site)
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what the Labour Party need now is someone with the minerals to get stuck in, corbyn isn't that man, never has been....... Get him out and get him out fast!!! |
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"Ah those heady days when posters on here were harping on about "smelling the fear" when it came to him being a shoe in for the next prime minister.
Now all I can smell is bullshit and an Insipid shabby man who sheepishly exited Pride stage left yesterday.
Omnishamble.
Did you see the labour supporter at pride going postal at him over his (lack of) referendum campaigning? "
A plant for the BBC to 'report' the bloke works for Alistair Campbell's PR company and was sent down to shout at Jeremy Corbyn.
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"I'm ashamed to say that we voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
I never thought he was the right person for the job but hoped he might realign the party along more leftist lines. We are the very epitomy of a Corbynista - young, public sector, middle class liberals.
I now think that we made a terrible error, and that Jezza has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster. He hasn't the charisma or leadership skills needed to do the things we hoped he might. He can moan all he likes about the media ignoring him but a leader has the force of personality to deny them that option. He's an irrevelence outside of certain circles and I don't have the faith that he can turn it round. The party needs to act before large sections of their support is gone
forever.
I dislike the zealotry evident in politics at the moment, and the abuse at these opinions on social media is extremely unedifying.
Well now that you've learnt your lesson about the looney left, please get behind Dan Jarvis and we can have some proper opposition again "
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"I'm ashamed to say that we voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
I never thought he was the right person for the job but hoped he might realign the party along more leftist lines. We are the very epitomy of a Corbynista - young, public sector, middle class liberals.
I now think that we made a terrible error, and that Jezza has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster. He hasn't the charisma or leadership skills needed to do the things we hoped he might. He can moan all he likes about the media ignoring him but a leader has the force of personality to deny them that option. He's an irrevelence outside of certain circles and I don't have the faith that he can turn it round. The party needs to act before large sections of their support is gone
forever.
I dislike the zealotry evident in politics at the moment, and the abuse at these opinions on social media is extremely unedifying.
Well now that you've learnt your lesson about the looney left, please get behind Dan Jarvis and we can have some proper opposition again
I'm wondering why people want another Blairite crony as leader? Have you learned nothing?"
He was serving in the army when Blair was in power!!! |
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"Ah those heady days when posters on here were harping on about "smelling the fear" when it came to him being a shoe in for the next prime minister.
Now all I can smell is bullshit and an Insipid shabby man who sheepishly exited Pride stage left yesterday.
Omnishamble.
Did you see the labour supporter at pride going postal at him over his (lack of) referendum campaigning?
A plant for the BBC to 'report' the bloke works for Alistair Campbell's PR company and was sent down to shout at Jeremy Corbyn.
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Another conspiracy then |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"I'm ashamed to say that we voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
I never thought he was the right person for the job but hoped he might realign the party along more leftist lines. We are the very epitomy of a Corbynista - young, public sector, middle class liberals.
I now think that we made a terrible error, and that Jezza has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster. He hasn't the charisma or leadership skills needed to do the things we hoped he might. He can moan all he likes about the media ignoring him but a leader has the force of personality to deny them that option. He's an irrevelence outside of certain circles and I don't have the faith that he can turn it round. The party needs to act before large sections of their support is gone
forever.
I dislike the zealotry evident in politics at the moment, and the abuse at these opinions on social media is extremely unedifying.
Well now that you've learnt your lesson about the looney left, please get behind Dan Jarvis and we can have some proper opposition again
I'm wondering why people want another Blairite crony as leader? Have you learned nothing?
He was serving in the army when Blair was in power!!! "
he is still aligned with the Blairite faction within Labour |
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Blair has been gone for 10 years. Not everyone who opposes Corbyn in the Labour Party is a Blairite.
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"I'm ashamed to say that we voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
I never thought he was the right person for the job but hoped he might realign the party along more leftist lines. We are the very epitomy of a Corbynista - young, public sector, middle class liberals.
I now think that we made a terrible error, and that Jezza has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster. He hasn't the charisma or leadership skills needed to do the things we hoped he might. He can moan all he likes about the media ignoring him but a leader has the force of personality to deny them that option. He's an irrevelence outside of certain circles and I don't have the faith that he can turn it round. The party needs to act before large sections of their support is gone
forever.
I dislike the zealotry evident in politics at the moment, and the abuse at these opinions on social media is extremely unedifying.
Well now that you've learnt your lesson about the looney left, please get behind Dan Jarvis and we can have some proper opposition again
I'm wondering why people want another Blairite crony as leader? Have you learned nothing?
He was serving in the army when Blair was in power!!! he is still aligned with the Blairite faction within Labour "
The successful faction then? |
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"Part of the problem is the media in this country. The BBC has been hell bent on damning Corbyn at every opportunity. Most of the rest are so right wing that it's no wonder that we don't have a fair political system and electorate involvement in the UK. Spin and lies are the order of the day.
Yes but this was a binary vote on a generational issue. Labour had the resources and choose not to engage fully in the debate. You can gameplay tory infighting but first you need to win. People like winners. Corbyn is a loser
Corbyn should have stuck to his eurosceptic principles and and joined the Labour Leave group. He has been anti EU for 99% of his career in politics. He could have been seen as a winner who represents the views of all those Labour voters who voted leave. The Blairites who begged him to join the remain campaign would be defeated and they would not have a leg to stand on now. Instead Corbyn now looks like a sell out who backed a bunch of losers, turned his back on his anti EU principles and now the same Blairites who begged for his support are now attacking him and attempting to remove him as leader. Corbyn brought this on himself. "
pretty much in a nutshell..
saying i used to support one team and then joining the opposition is not that huge an issue with modern politics it would seem..
doing the above and when the new team put you on the pitch to play for them you fanny about and basically are a waste of space is a bit pathetic and drives a coach and horses through the 'man of principle' facade..
Labour need to wake up on the back of this and sort it out, the new Tory leadership will be giggling like school kids as Labour make a totally divided Tory party look united..
the country deserves and should have an effective opposition regardless who is at the 'helm'.. |
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"I'm ashamed to say that we voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
I never thought he was the right person for the job but hoped he might realign the party along more leftist lines. We are the very epitomy of a Corbynista - young, public sector, middle class liberals.
I now think that we made a terrible error, and that Jezza has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster. He hasn't the charisma or leadership skills needed to do the things we hoped he might. He can moan all he likes about the media ignoring him but a leader has the force of personality to deny them that option. He's an irrevelence outside of certain circles and I don't have the faith that he can turn it round. The party needs to act before large sections of their support is gone
forever.
I dislike the zealotry evident in politics at the moment, and the abuse at these opinions on social media is extremely unedifying.
Well now that you've learnt your lesson about the looney left, please get behind Dan Jarvis and we can have some proper opposition again "
What about David Miliband? |
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"I'm ashamed to say that we voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
I never thought he was the right person for the job but hoped he might realign the party along more leftist lines. We are the very epitomy of a Corbynista - young, public sector, middle class liberals.
I now think that we made a terrible error, and that Jezza has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster. He hasn't the charisma or leadership skills needed to do the things we hoped he might. He can moan all he likes about the media ignoring him but a leader has the force of personality to deny them that option. He's an irrevelence outside of certain circles and I don't have the faith that he can turn it round. The party needs to act before large sections of their support is gone
forever.
I dislike the zealotry evident in politics at the moment, and the abuse at these opinions on social media is extremely unedifying.
Well now that you've learnt your lesson about the looney left, please get behind Dan Jarvis and we can have some proper opposition again
I'm wondering why people want another Blairite crony as leader? Have you learned nothing?"
Blair won 3 elections with the support of then Tories..
not saying a Blairite agenda is the answer but an opposition in tatters is not the answer either.. |
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"Part of the problem is the media in this country. The BBC has been hell bent on damning Corbyn at every opportunity. Most of the rest are so right wing that it's no wonder that we don't have a fair political system and electorate involvement in the UK. Spin and lies are the order of the day.
Yes but this was a binary vote on a generational issue. Labour had the resources and choose not to engage fully in the debate. You can gameplay tory infighting but first you need to win. People like winners. Corbyn is a loser
Corbyn should have stuck to his eurosceptic principles and and joined the Labour Leave group. He has been anti EU for 99% of his career in politics. He could have been seen as a winner who represents the views of all those Labour voters who voted leave. The Blairites who begged him to join the remain campaign would be defeated and they would not have a leg to stand on now. Instead Corbyn now looks like a sell out who backed a bunch of losers, turned his back on his anti EU principles and now the same Blairites who begged for his support are now attacking him and attempting to remove him as leader. Corbyn brought this on himself.
pretty much in a nutshell..
saying i used to support one team and then joining the opposition is not that huge an issue with modern politics it would seem..
doing the above and when the new team put you on the pitch to play for them you fanny about and basically are a waste of space is a bit pathetic and drives a coach and horses through the 'man of principle' facade..
Labour need to wake up on the back of this and sort it out, the new Tory leadership will be giggling like school kids as Labour make a totally divided Tory party look united..
the country deserves and should have an effective opposition regardless who is at the 'helm'.."
I agree, the country needs and deserves a strong opposition. I really do hope the Labour party can get their act together and fast.  |
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"I'm ashamed to say that we voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
I never thought he was the right person for the job but hoped he might realign the party along more leftist lines. We are the very epitomy of a Corbynista - young, public sector, middle class liberals.
I now think that we made a terrible error, and that Jezza has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster. He hasn't the charisma or leadership skills needed to do the things we hoped he might. He can moan all he likes about the media ignoring him but a leader has the force of personality to deny them that option. He's an irrevelence outside of certain circles and I don't have the faith that he can turn it round. The party needs to act before large sections of their support is gone
forever.
I dislike the zealotry evident in politics at the moment, and the abuse at these opinions on social media is extremely unedifying.
"
listening to the UKIP guy on R4 yesterday it was like listening to the Labour party, they are looking to keep and appeal to disaffected Labour supporter, maybe with an eye on some of their ex tories going back home..
its pretty dire.. |
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"BLairism lost Scotland without the help of UKIP."
Keep looking back
Labour has just had it's arse handed to it on a plate by UKIP in it's own core heartlands.
Voters don't care about internal tribalism but deserve a coherent plan for their future. |
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"I'm ashamed to say that we voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
I never thought he was the right person for the job but hoped he might realign the party along more leftist lines. We are the very epitomy of a Corbynista - young, public sector, middle class liberals.
I now think that we made a terrible error, and that Jezza has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster. He hasn't the charisma or leadership skills needed to do the things we hoped he might. He can moan all he likes about the media ignoring him but a leader has the force of personality to deny them that option. He's an irrevelence outside of certain circles and I don't have the faith that he can turn it round. The party needs to act before large sections of their support is gone
forever.
I dislike the zealotry evident in politics at the moment, and the abuse at these opinions on social media is extremely unedifying.
Well now that you've learnt your lesson about the looney left, please get behind Dan Jarvis and we can have some proper opposition again
What about David Miliband? "
Yeah he's good too but not sure he'd be interested in the job. The trade unions stabbed him in the heart so if I were him them I wouldn't fancy doing their bidding. |
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would love to see Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM
thats my way of thinking.
Calm collective level headed lady
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I would start voting Labour again, if she got in, if she first gets rid of Kezia Dugdale MsP
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"would love to see Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM
thats my way of thinking.
Calm collective level headed lady
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I would start voting Labour again, if she got in, if she first gets rid of Kezia Dugdale MsP
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Nice try |
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"would love to see Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM
thats my way of thinking.
Calm collective level headed lady
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I would start voting Labour again, if she got in, if she first gets rid of Kezia Dugdale MsP
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Who is that poodle of a shadow chancellor that runs around licking Corbyn's ass? The only thing I admire about him is his talent at keep a straight face when he knows he's talking shit. |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"would love to see Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM
thats my way of thinking.
Calm collective level headed lady
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I would start voting Labour again, if she got in, if she first gets rid of Kezia Dugdale MsP
Who is that poodle of a shadow chancellor that runs around licking Corbyn's ass? The only thing I admire about him is his talent at keep a straight face when he knows he's talking shit."
You mean the power behind the throne? |
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"would love to see Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM
thats my way of thinking.
Calm collective level headed lady
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I would start voting Labour again, if she got in, if she first gets rid of Kezia Dugdale MsP
Who is that poodle of a shadow chancellor that runs around licking Corbyn's ass? The only thing I admire about him is his talent at keep a straight face when he knows he's talking shit.
You mean the power behind the throne?"
Is he? Do tell... |
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"I'm ashamed to say that we voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
I never thought he was the right person for the job but hoped he might realign the party along more leftist lines. We are the very epitomy of a Corbynista - young, public sector, middle class liberals.
I now think that we made a terrible error, and that Jezza has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster. He hasn't the charisma or leadership skills needed to do the things we hoped he might. He can moan all he likes about the media ignoring him but a leader has the force of personality to deny them that option. He's an irrevelence outside of certain circles and I don't have the faith that he can turn it round. The party needs to act before large sections of their support is gone
forever.
I dislike the zealotry evident in politics at the moment, and the abuse at these opinions on social media is extremely unedifying.
listening to the UKIP guy on R4 yesterday it was like listening to the Labour party, they are looking to keep and appeal to disaffected Labour supporter, maybe with an eye on some of their ex tories going back home..
its pretty dire.. "
I'm not sure where this myth about UKIP being predominately ex Tories comes from. There may be some truth in it in the south but certainly up north most of the UKIP members and voters are ex labour.
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"I'm ashamed to say that we voted for Corbyn in the leadership elections.
I never thought he was the right person for the job but hoped he might realign the party along more leftist lines. We are the very epitomy of a Corbynista - young, public sector, middle class liberals.
I now think that we made a terrible error, and that Jezza has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster. He hasn't the charisma or leadership skills needed to do the things we hoped he might. He can moan all he likes about the media ignoring him but a leader has the force of personality to deny them that option. He's an irrevelence outside of certain circles and I don't have the faith that he can turn it round. The party needs to act before large sections of their support is gone
forever.
I dislike the zealotry evident in politics at the moment, and the abuse at these opinions on social media is extremely unedifying.
listening to the UKIP guy on R4 yesterday it was like listening to the Labour party, they are looking to keep and appeal to disaffected Labour supporter, maybe with an eye on some of their ex tories going back home..
its pretty dire..
I'm not sure where this myth about UKIP being predominately ex Tories comes from. There may be some truth in it in the south but certainly up north most of the UKIP members and voters are ex labour.
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Well Farage is an ex-Tory for one! |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"would love to see Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM
thats my way of thinking.
Calm collective level headed lady
.
I would start voting Labour again, if she got in, if she first gets rid of Kezia Dugdale MsP
Who is that poodle of a shadow chancellor that runs around licking Corbyn's ass? The only thing I admire about him is his talent at keep a straight face when he knows he's talking shit.
You mean the power behind the throne?
Is he? Do tell... "
The man pulling the strings |
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"would love to see Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM
thats my way of thinking.
Calm collective level headed lady
.
I would start voting Labour again, if she got in, if she first gets rid of Kezia Dugdale MsP
Who is that poodle of a shadow chancellor that runs around licking Corbyn's ass? The only thing I admire about him is his talent at keep a straight face when he knows he's talking shit.
You mean the power behind the throne?
Is he? Do tell...
The man pulling the strings "
Where does he get his power from? He seems like a moron! |
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"Up to 9 front bench resignations now"
And a sacking......half the cabinet gone. Large chunk of the rest of the MPs won't accept a post.....leaves him dredging a rather shallow barrel to try and put a cabinet together....! |
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"would love to see Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM
thats my way of thinking.
Calm collective level headed lady
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I would start voting Labour again, if she got in, if she first gets rid of Kezia Dugdale MsP
Who is that poodle of a shadow chancellor that runs around licking Corbyn's ass? The only thing I admire about him is his talent at keep a straight face when he knows he's talking shit.
You mean the power behind the throne?
Is he? Do tell...
The man pulling the strings
Where does he get his power from? He seems like a moron! "
Are you talking about John McDonnell? He is a bigger joke than Corbyn. |
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"would love to see Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM
thats my way of thinking.
Calm collective level headed lady
.
I would start voting Labour again, if she got in, if she first gets rid of Kezia Dugdale MsP
Who is that poodle of a shadow chancellor that runs around licking Corbyn's ass? The only thing I admire about him is his talent at keep a straight face when he knows he's talking shit.
You mean the power behind the throne?
Is he? Do tell...
The man pulling the strings
Where does he get his power from? He seems like a moron!
Are you talking about John McDonnell? He is a bigger joke than Corbyn. "
Yes, he seems like the kind of guy that would read out a spelling mistake in the official party line |
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"meanwhile at the time of a constitutional crisis our esteemed chancellor is noticeable by his absence ?
# wheresGideon?"
after reading the article you kindly posted on another thread I should think he cant get off the loo ! |
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"Up to 9 front bench resignations now
Andy Burnham still there? "
Of course he is. He is a self-serving lickspittle. Biding his time to find another little leg up....by any means he can. He is possibly the only guy in current politics who is more shady than Darth Mandleson! |
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It's reasons like this that makes me think people get the politicians they deserve.
A lot of people said they wanted a different kind of politics; not so combative, not so much about spin and someone who wanted to deal with 'real' issues.
Yet when they get someone like that they fully accept the right-wing attacks towards him, they buy into the rhetoric used by the press and they don't give him the time of day.
I'm not a Labour voter, but I can't understand why people ask for change and then reject it when it comes along. |
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"Hopefully out all this we get MPs who listen to the people who elected them, all parties deserve to go and lose the fat pensions"
Opportunity for a real cross Governmentalk shake up and reform which most people will welcome. |
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"It's reasons like this that makes me think people get the politicians they deserve.
A lot of people said they wanted a different kind of politics; not so combative, not so much about spin and someone who wanted to deal with 'real' issues.
Yet when they get someone like that they fully accept the right-wing attacks towards him, they buy into the rhetoric used by the press and they don't give him the time of day.
I'm not a Labour voter, but I can't understand why people ask for change and then reject it when it comes along. "
Like fuck are you not a labour supporter!!
He isn't change, he's a cold war relic!! |
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"It's reasons like this that makes me think people get the politicians they deserve.
A lot of people said they wanted a different kind of politics; not so combative, not so much about spin and someone who wanted to deal with 'real' issues.
Yet when they get someone like that they fully accept the right-wing attacks towards him, they buy into the rhetoric used by the press and they don't give him the time of day.
I'm not a Labour voter, but I can't understand why people ask for change and then reject it when it comes along.
Like fuck are you not a labour supporter!!
He isn't change, he's a cold war relic!! "
I've never voted Labour.
Whether you believe that or not is of no consequence. |
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"It's reasons like this that makes me think people get the politicians they deserve.
A lot of people said they wanted a different kind of politics; not so combative, not so much about spin and someone who wanted to deal with 'real' issues.
Yet when they get someone like that they fully accept the right-wing attacks towards him, they buy into the rhetoric used by the press and they don't give him the time of day.
I'm not a Labour voter, but I can't understand why people ask for change and then reject it when it comes along.
Like fuck are you not a labour supporter!!
He isn't change, he's a cold war relic!!
I've never voted Labour.
Whether you believe that or not is of no consequence. "
Care to share who you do vote for then? I'm guessing it ain't Tory!! |
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"It's reasons like this that makes me think people get the politicians they deserve.
A lot of people said they wanted a different kind of politics; not so combative, not so much about spin and someone who wanted to deal with 'real' issues.
Yet when they get someone like that they fully accept the right-wing attacks towards him, they buy into the rhetoric used by the press and they don't give him the time of day.
I'm not a Labour voter, but I can't understand why people ask for change and then reject it when it comes along.
Like fuck are you not a labour supporter!!
He isn't change, he's a cold war relic!!
I've never voted Labour.
Whether you believe that or not is of no consequence.
Care to share who you do vote for then? I'm guessing it ain't Tory!! "
No I certainly don't vote Tory.
There seems to be a fallacy that anyone who's anti-Tory is a Labour voter.
I used to always vote Lib Dem, I sometimes still do but only for local elections.
At the last GE I voted for the TUSC. I stated very publicly on this forum that I'd voted for them. |
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"It's reasons like this that makes me think people get the politicians they deserve.
A lot of people said they wanted a different kind of politics; not so combative, not so much about spin and someone who wanted to deal with 'real' issues.
Yet when they get someone like that they fully accept the right-wing attacks towards him, they buy into the rhetoric used by the press and they don't give him the time of day.
I'm not a Labour voter, but I can't understand why people ask for change and then reject it when it comes along.
Like fuck are you not a labour supporter!!
He isn't change, he's a cold war relic!! "
I think he's about 100 years too early rather than being a relic. |
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"It's reasons like this that makes me think people get the politicians they deserve.
A lot of people said they wanted a different kind of politics; not so combative, not so much about spin and someone who wanted to deal with 'real' issues.
Yet when they get someone like that they fully accept the right-wing attacks towards him, they buy into the rhetoric used by the press and they don't give him the time of day.
I'm not a Labour voter, but I can't understand why people ask for change and then reject it when it comes along. "
because corbyn is not a leader and if he cared about his party and the country he'd scuttle away to the back benches where he belongs. |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"would love to see Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM
thats my way of thinking.
Calm collective level headed lady
.
I would start voting Labour again, if she got in, if she first gets rid of Kezia Dugdale MsP
Who is that poodle of a shadow chancellor that runs around licking Corbyn's ass? The only thing I admire about him is his talent at keep a straight face when he knows he's talking shit.
You mean the power behind the throne?
Is he? Do tell...
The man pulling the strings
Where does he get his power from? He seems like a moron!
Are you talking about John McDonnell? He is a bigger joke than Corbyn.
Yes, he seems like the kind of guy that would read out a spelling mistake in the official party line "
he is the guy that decides what the party line is. |
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"It's reasons like this that makes me think people get the politicians they deserve.
A lot of people said they wanted a different kind of politics; not so combative, not so much about spin and someone who wanted to deal with 'real' issues.
Yet when they get someone like that they fully accept the right-wing attacks towards him, they buy into the rhetoric used by the press and they don't give him the time of day.
I'm not a Labour voter, but I can't understand why people ask for change and then reject it when it comes along.
because corbyn is not a leader and if he cared about his party and the country he'd scuttle away to the back benches where he belongs. "
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"It's reasons like this that makes me think people get the politicians they deserve.
A lot of people said they wanted a different kind of politics; not so combative, not so much about spin and someone who wanted to deal with 'real' issues.
Yet when they get someone like that they fully accept the right-wing attacks towards him, they buy into the rhetoric used by the press and they don't give him the time of day.
I'm not a Labour voter, but I can't understand why people ask for change and then reject it when it comes along.
Like fuck are you not a labour supporter!!
He isn't change, he's a cold war relic!!
I've never voted Labour.
Whether you believe that or not is of no consequence.
Care to share who you do vote for then? I'm guessing it ain't Tory!!
No I certainly don't vote Tory.
There seems to be a fallacy that anyone who's anti-Tory is a Labour voter.
I used to always vote Lib Dem, I sometimes still do but only for local elections.
At the last GE I voted for the TUSC. I stated very publicly on this forum that I'd voted for them. "
I guess you stopped voting lib dem about the time I started! |
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"It's reasons like this that makes me think people get the politicians they deserve.
A lot of people said they wanted a different kind of politics; not so combative, not so much about spin and someone who wanted to deal with 'real' issues.
Yet when they get someone like that they fully accept the right-wing attacks towards him, they buy into the rhetoric used by the press and they don't give him the time of day.
I'm not a Labour voter, but I can't understand why people ask for change and then reject it when it comes along.
Like fuck are you not a labour supporter!!
He isn't change, he's a cold war relic!!
I think he's about 100 years too early rather than being a relic."
I don't think the future is about traditional left vrs right battles or capitalism vrs socialism. Our challenges have moved on and ideology is obsolete to deal with them |
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"would love to see Gisela Stuart become Labours New Leader and eventually PM
thats my way of thinking.
Calm collective level headed lady
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I would start voting Labour again, if she got in, if she first gets rid of Kezia Dugdale MsP
Who is that poodle of a shadow chancellor that runs around licking Corbyn's ass? The only thing I admire about him is his talent at keep a straight face when he knows he's talking shit.
You mean the power behind the throne?
Is he? Do tell...
The man pulling the strings
Where does he get his power from? He seems like a moron!
Are you talking about John McDonnell? He is a bigger joke than Corbyn.
Yes, he seems like the kind of guy that would read out a spelling mistake in the official party line he is the guy that decides what the party line is. "
Didn't realise he had any real power... |
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"It's reasons like this that makes me think people get the politicians they deserve.
A lot of people said they wanted a different kind of politics; not so combative, not so much about spin and someone who wanted to deal with 'real' issues.
Yet when they get someone like that they fully accept the right-wing attacks towards him, they buy into the rhetoric used by the press and they don't give him the time of day.
I'm not a Labour voter, but I can't understand why people ask for change and then reject it when it comes along.
Like fuck are you not a labour supporter!!
He isn't change, he's a cold war relic!!
I've never voted Labour.
Whether you believe that or not is of no consequence.
Care to share who you do vote for then? I'm guessing it ain't Tory!!
No I certainly don't vote Tory.
There seems to be a fallacy that anyone who's anti-Tory is a Labour voter.
I used to always vote Lib Dem, I sometimes still do but only for local elections.
At the last GE I voted for the TUSC. I stated very publicly on this forum that I'd voted for them.
I guess you stopped voting lib dem about the time I started!"
I didn't stop voting for them over tuition fees, which many wrongly assume.
Their total lack of gumption in dealing with the Tories did it for me.
Although I have to say my Lib Dem councillors, when I had them, were always very good. That's why I sometimes still vote for them in local elections. It's not their fault the national party is ineffectual. |
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"It's reasons like this that makes me think people get the politicians they deserve.
A lot of people said they wanted a different kind of politics; not so combative, not so much about spin and someone who wanted to deal with 'real' issues.
Yet when they get someone like that they fully accept the right-wing attacks towards him, they buy into the rhetoric used by the press and they don't give him the time of day.
I'm not a Labour voter, but I can't understand why people ask for change and then reject it when it comes along.
Like fuck are you not a labour supporter!!
He isn't change, he's a cold war relic!!
I've never voted Labour.
Whether you believe that or not is of no consequence.
Care to share who you do vote for then? I'm guessing it ain't Tory!!
No I certainly don't vote Tory.
There seems to be a fallacy that anyone who's anti-Tory is a Labour voter.
I used to always vote Lib Dem, I sometimes still do but only for local elections.
At the last GE I voted for the TUSC. I stated very publicly on this forum that I'd voted for them.
I guess you stopped voting lib dem about the time I started!
I didn't stop voting for them over tuition fees, which many wrongly assume.
Their total lack of gumption in dealing with the Tories did it for me.
Although I have to say my Lib Dem councillors, when I had them, were always very good. That's why I sometimes still vote for them in local elections. It's not their fault the national party is ineffectual. "
I think they did alright (overall) - I prefer the coalition government to this one! |
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"I suggest you all check Andy Burnham's Wikipedia entry
For what?
Just do it before it gets taken down
It's a long bloody page, I couldn't seem anything at the front that looked odd? "
Nor me so I guess it's gone |
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if corbyn was the best person they couldve elected in the labour party then it's no wonder it's all going pete tong...,
maybe it's time the party was disbanded completly along with the lib dems (who have seemed to of vanished anyway?)
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"if corbyn was the best person they couldve elected in the labour party then it's no wonder it's all going pete tong...,
maybe it's time the party was disbanded completly along with the lib dems (who have seemed to of vanished anyway?)
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Lib Dems are bang on the centre ground now!! They are just completely invisible... |
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"if corbyn was the best person they couldve elected in the labour party then it's no wonder it's all going pete tong...,
maybe it's time the party was disbanded completly along with the lib dems (who have seemed to of vanished anyway?)
Lib Dems are bang on the centre ground now!! They are just completely invisible... "
They have no credible leader.
Jo Swinson narrowly missed out on her seat, she's have been good. |
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Bringing these people in to the shadow cabinet and most of them stab you in back as was the way that Blair ran the Labour Party.
Jeremy Corbyn made a big mistake but I suspect he will be more than a match for these people.
The uncomfortable truth for the Blairites is that labour performed well in all the elections under him including getting record results and was on course to be the next prime minister in a minority 'coalition ' government committed to bringing in PR |
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haven't read all this thread, but if corbyn had been true to his convictions and stated he didn't agree with the EU he'd at least be able to hold his head up...but to back remain cos thats what the labour party wanted to hear has made him look weak and untrustworthy |
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"5 gone now. Ian Murray, Gloria de Piero and Lillian Greenwood.
Keep in mind that anyone sensible has already refused to serve under him (like Chuka Umunna, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper and Tristram Hunt).
So the people quitting now are either part of the looney left themselves or the kind of slime balls that would sell their grandmother for a share of power.
Andy Burnham still there then? "
It looks like it'll be him, John McDonnell and Corbyn in a bed with Diane Abbott as the last 4 members |
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"BBC are reporting that upto half the shadow cabinet are ready to resign. Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander are gone.
Lots of grassroots supporters are venting the frustration at Corbyn's lack of support for the remain campaign. It was the traditional labour voters who voted to leave in droves.
Hahaha
Is this from the BBC because as far as I'm aware the grassroot supports him and it's just media spin as always.
Cameron has resigned and all they can say is that Labour are in turmoil???!
I think they should be more concerned with who will lead the country rather than the opposition and focus on the actual facts.
It's media spin that 6 of the shadow cabinet have resigned? "
20 out of 30 have resigned or been sacked now. Guess that's just media spin though... |
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"BBC are reporting that upto half the shadow cabinet are ready to resign. Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander are gone.
Lots of grassroots supporters are venting the frustration at Corbyn's lack of support for the remain campaign. It was the traditional labour voters who voted to leave in droves.
Personally I can see the labour party splitting and becoming two separate party's, which would be a great shame.
They're not much of an opposition party at the moment, divided they'd be even less effective. I truly believe that any party in power needs a strong opposition.
Also, I feel the labour party has lost sight of its roots and is more about making statements and extreme causes, as opposed to its history of understanding the working class and truly working to benefit them.
Going back a few years, the miners strike did more financial harm to its members than what it was fighting against. Yet the union leaders didn't seem to be suffering at all.
I remember seeing scargill chauffer driven in his Jag visiting the picket lines. He didn't look hungry or scared or like he'd bought his clothes from Oxfam.
Tuppence spent.....
##wentoffononeforaminute....
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I agree with some of what you say.
The Tories are really good at uniting to stay in power or to get it. They save their backstabbing for specific moments and then present a more united front.
Labour has only ever managed that under (Tory) Blair. |
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