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Referendum petition to vote again

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

There have been strikes in london and an online petition is up as it was so close. I wonder how many brexitors that want to rejoin too as there have been reports on social media of betrayal. What do you think of it? I tgink it is good.

Thumbs up for democracy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There have been strikes in london and an online petition is up as it was so close. I wonder how many brexitors that want to rejoin too as there have been reports on social media of betrayal. What do you think of it? I tgink it is good.

Thumbs up for democracy

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political suicide never going to happen

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By *eMontresMan over a year ago

Halesowen

We could keep having referenda until we get the right answer, like the Scots want to

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By *radleyandRavenCouple over a year ago

Herts

I think it's a fucking joke.

It"s like a competitor wanting a "re-do" for a race at the Olympics because they were too busy having a cuppa or couldn't be asked to get out of bed for it...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh god no. Potentially u could have them forever with one side always feeling hard done to and wanting to go again.

Stability is what is now needed not more chaos for the sake of it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Bolsheviks weren't happy they lost to the Mensheviks and decided not to accept democracy and the will of the people and ended up with Stalin. The minority must NOT be allowed to shake the decision of the majority. The people have decided.

You cry for a re0run and you end up with an even bigger majority for Leave - what will you do then ? Keep calling for votes till you get the result you want ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thumbs up for democracy

Spitting your dummy out when a vote does not go your way is not a good example of democracy.

I voted leave as I believe deeply in democracy. The EU is a non democratic mess. I heard it described as a 70s answer to a 50s problem.

If it was purely a trade organisation, as it was set up initially, I would have voted Remain.

Democracy is the rock that all countries and organisations should be built on. I hope the EU fails and crumbles and is consigned to history as a terrible experiment.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Oh god no. Potentially u could have them forever with one side always feeling hard done to and wanting to go again.

Stability is what is now needed not more chaos for the sake of it."

Yep. We need to work together and if our politicians set an example it would help

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's quite funny people saying accept it and move on... If it were the other way round Nigel has said he would contest it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So many people who talk about democracy and then refuse to accept the will of the people. The young moan they wanted to remain but were the group with the lowest turnout. We all had our chance to vote and now have to accept the results whatever we think.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's quite funny people saying accept it and move on... If it were the other way round Nigel has said he would contest it.

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if it was the over way round then remainers would be saying accept it and move on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's quite funny people saying accept it and move on... If it were the other way round Nigel has said he would contest it.

....Blimey it didn't take long for the Farage haters to make a comment ...

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"I think it's a fucking joke.

It"s like a competitor wanting a "re-do" for a race at the Olympics because they were too busy having a cuppa or couldn't be asked to get out of bed for it..."

And they are acting like spoilt little children.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's quite funny people saying accept it and move on... If it were the other way round Nigel has said he would contest it.

... and he too would have been wasting his time. The one good thing is now he and his one trick pony party should soon disappear.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Also since the referendum was nothing more then a glorified you gov poll it's not legally binding.

Would be stupid to ignore it and don't think it would happen but it's a possibility.

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By *an_WoodMan over a year ago

Stafford

It isn't going to happen. There needs to be a political event or economic shock to justify it. The only unlikely one is a new offer from the EU. Now it is the time of the tories to deliver a glorious future

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By *ynecplCouple over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

As I said on another thread if we now try not to leave we will lose all credibility in the eyes of the rest of Europe. We would be sent to sit on the side lines and told not to interfere we would then end up with the worst of all situations being told what to do and no longer being listened and having no allies within the European Parliament.

The damage is done, we have had a vote and like it or loathe it we have to make it work.

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Oh god no. Potentially u could have them forever with one side always feeling hard done to and wanting to go again.

Stability is what is now needed not more chaos for the sake of it."
there wouldn't have. Stability if remain had won farage said so he was going to continue the fight

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's quite funny people saying accept it and move on... If it were the other way round Nigel has said he would contest it.

... and he too would have been wasting his time. The one good thing is now he and his one trick pony party should soon disappear."

Sadly I think him and them will be here to stay.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We could keep having referenda until we get the right answer, like the Scots want to"

Hi, that's a generalisation, not all Scots. Jim

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can't believe it would ever happen.

I've voted in every election since i turned 18 .. Council, general etc.. All of them.

But I would never vote again if they did that.. And I do mean that because my vote would be totally meaningless if the losing side were able to whine and whinge until the result got pushed aside.

It would destroy the whole democratic process in this country.

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By *ynecplCouple over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

"Can't believe it would ever happen.

I've voted in every election since i turned 18 .. Council, general etc.. All of them.

But I would never vote again if they did that.. And I do mean that because my vote would be totally meaningless if the losing side were able to whine and whinge until the result got pushed aside.

It would destroy the whole democratic process in this country."

I voted to remain but if we had to vote again just because a few have spat their dummy out I would vote out because I believe in democracy

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

The people have spoken, to bad if you didn't get the result you want or too stupid to know what you re voting for.

It beggers belief if true, that Cornwall received £1bn over the last decade in EU funds because they were underfunded by Westminster, have voted out, but still hoping to receive the £60m a year they get from the EU because they didn't know what voting out meant.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thumbs up for democracy

We voted to leave, Shag.

It really would not be democratic to have another referendum just because it was a close vote.

Thumbs up for democracy.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

"The people have spoken, to bad if you didn't get the result you want or too stupid to know what you re voting for.

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By *rishman75Man over a year ago

Chessington/epsom

What strikes ? I live here and heard of none !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The people have spoken, to bad if you didn't get the result you want or too stupid to know what you re voting for.

they did and did the right thing

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Also since the referendum was nothing more then a glorified you gov poll it's not legally binding.

Would be stupid to ignore it and don't think it would happen but it's a possibility.

I think that's what a lot of people don't realise, it's nothing more than a consultation exercise and not legally binding.

It would be wrong and foolish if they did ignore it, in my opinion, but they could if theu wished.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Where do you draw the line ?? Bottom line is this; There was a vote, the vote was in favour of leaving and whether we love it or loath it we cannot keep having vote after vote until the answer comes out right ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thumbs up for democracy

How is that democratic and how is that good?

Sore loosers spitting out the dummy and throwing a tantrum....are these really the type we want to run a country...One of the few times in our history that we have had a true democratic reforendum wher a majority spoke. When we elect a government...its not really a majority as the way it's run is fudged so as 30% can win an election

Guess people don't know what a democratic vote means anymore.

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By *VBethTV/TS over a year ago

Chester

"Where do you draw the line ?? Bottom line is this; There was a vote, the vote was in favour of leaving and whether we love it or loath it we cannot keep having vote after vote until the answer comes out right ...

Exactly this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thumbs up for democracy

We voted to leave, Shag.

It really would not be democratic to have another referendum just because it was a close vote.

Thumbs up for democracy."

I don't think one and a half million people was really that close

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By *i1971Man over a year ago

Cornwall

"The people have spoken, to bad if you didn't get the result you want or too stupid to know what you re voting for.

Sadly that is true (in all the news down here) & the leader of the Council has written asking for reassurance that the Gov't will top up the money that would have come from Europe. Right, I really see that happening lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also since the referendum was nothing more then a glorified you gov poll it's not legally binding.

Would be stupid to ignore it and don't think it would happen but it's a possibility.

I think that's what a lot of people don't realise, it's nothing more than a consultation exercise and not legally binding.

It would be wrong and foolish if they did ignore it, in my opinion, but they could if theu wished."

Stranger things have happened in politics

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Clutching at straws. I voted to stay but accept that I was in the minority. We now have to wait to see what happens, as the reality is that nobody really has the faintest idea!

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"The people have spoken, to bad if you didn't get the result you want or too stupid to know what you re voting for.

You couldn't make this shit up!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I was a firm Remain supporter and are still confused and saddened by the result. Many of our friends are sending this petition and urging us to sign.

I won't, and really hope that it doesn't happen.

The people, rightly or wrongly, have made their decision and now we have to umderstand the reasons why, and work to make sure the country can come back together and move forward.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If the goverment was to overturn the vote you might as well start convertin g you're pounds to Euro's because that would be the next step

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It seems that the EU version of democracy where, if you do not get the result you like you go back and keep voting until you do get it (ask Ireland, Denmark, Holland and France), has now taken hold in the Blogosphere of the UK ...

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By *uddlybear2015Man over a year ago

BEDFORD

Democracy is a wonderful thing;Hanging chads=bush, prospect of boris in #10, prospect of trump in the whitehouse. Yep,democracy is wonderful

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

Id just cry if we have to do it again.

But as a remainer id vote out if we did.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The people have spoken, to bad if you didn't get the result you want or too stupid to know what you re voting for.

You couldn't make this shit up!

I'm a remainer and dont feel a revote should happen, but this is why I couldn't understand the vote of Cornwall, wales and agricultural areas as they really are going to get hit if the government doesn't match the funding the EU sent them and unfortunately that probably won't happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Shag were you eligible to vote in the referendum?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wanted to remain but the vote was cast and the result is what it is. Let's just get on with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thumbs up for democracy

Democracy was served.....live with it and be thankful you live in a country that still has it.

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

Thumbs up for democracy

The petition was created prior to the vote on Wednesday: I think it should count.

The final vote count of 17,410,472 vs 16,141,241 giving a margin of just 1,269,231 isn't convincing enough especially as there were torrential weather conditions across the south.

It would be interesting to know if older voters (voting out by post) could have been potentially affected by people being unable to get to polling stations possibly voting remain.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

The only thing that could be achieved by the petition is to have the question discussed in parliament. They'd never agree to re-do it.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"What strikes ? I live here and heard of none !"
I heard it on heart fm news earlier today.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"It's quite funny people saying accept it and move on... If it were the other way round Nigel has said he would contest it.

....Blimey it didn't take long for the Farage haters to make a comment ..."

It's not really a Farage hating comment, is it? And it is what he said he would do if the result was 48% to 52%. I guess he meant only if BREXIT lost.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's quite funny people saying accept it and move on... If it were the other way round Nigel has said he would contest it.

....Blimey it didn't take long for the Farage haters to make a comment ...

It's not really a Farage hating comment, is it? And it is what he said he would do if the result was 48% to 52%. I guess he meant only if BREXIT lost."
Boris said he would also seek a second ref if the vote had been close and they had lost

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also since the referendum was nothing more then a glorified you gov poll it's not legally binding.

Would be stupid to ignore it and don't think it would happen but it's a possibility.

The result is legally binding. Parliament now has no legal option but to formally apply to invoke Article 50 to leave the EU.

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By *uby0000Woman over a year ago

hertfordshire

"What strikes ? I live here and heard of none !I heard it on heart fm news earlier today."

shag for prime minister he knows everything that goes on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also since the referendum was nothing more then a glorified you gov poll it's not legally binding.

Would be stupid to ignore it and don't think it would happen but it's a possibility.

The result is legally binding. Parliament now has no legal option but to formally apply to invoke Article 50 to leave the EU. "

The referendum was an 'Advisory' referendum, it has no legally binding clauses in it at all. The government could choose to ignore the result and not invoke article 50.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also since the referendum was nothing more then a glorified you gov poll it's not legally binding.

Would be stupid to ignore it and don't think it would happen but it's a possibility.

The result is legally binding. Parliament now has no legal option but to formally apply to invoke Article 50 to leave the EU. "

It's not, but yer it would be silly not to

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"What strikes ? I live here and heard of none !I heard it on heart fm news earlier today.

shag for prime minister he knows everything that goes on

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Yes ty, that is a good idea. I would make a good one too

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Also since the referendum was nothing more then a glorified you gov poll it's not legally binding.

Would be stupid to ignore it and don't think it would happen but it's a possibility.

The result is legally binding. Parliament now has no legal option but to formally apply to invoke Article 50 to leave the EU. "

Actually it's not legally binding it's legally only advisory. Parliament is sovereign and could actually refuse to repeal or pass laws to make it happen. However it won't.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

nope.... whats done is done... and you'd just have people spouting the same sets of lies again and demonising people.....

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By *aughtynigel02121980Man over a year ago

Brandon

If those people voted out because they thought they had it bad enough while in the EU. That's nothing compared to if they voted to get back in and got in. By crawling back to the EU is exactly the same as them pulling their pants down and asking for someone to go in dry.

By saying they want to go back in and getting in is giving the EU even more power than they had before over us all.

Will be a case of you want to get back into our club then you have to go by our rules. I'm sure there would be huge consequences far bigger than not being in the eu

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Also since the referendum was nothing more then a glorified you gov poll it's not legally binding.

Would be stupid to ignore it and don't think it would happen but it's a possibility.

The result is legally binding. Parliament now has no legal option but to formally apply to invoke Article 50 to leave the EU.

The referendum was an 'Advisory' referendum, it has no legally binding clauses in it at all. The government could choose to ignore the result and not invoke article 50."
They could start with article 49 about rejoining.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

The more I think about this more I feel that, unless something very fundamentally changes, we all have to accept the decision made.

Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in. Get on with negotiations to leave and get the best deal we possibly can from the EU. I can't see any advantage for the UK or the EU in dragging this out any longer. It's over.

For the record I voted Remain.

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By *VBethTV/TS over a year ago

Chester

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough."

We have no laws forcing the population to vote. How do you make them do it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in."

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

I have no interest in pulling together with them. My only interest now is in working out what career I want to go into, because the one I just spent 50k on getting a degree for (btw - that's something the older generation also took away from us, student grants) is looking increasingly unlikely for me.

Telling someone like me to pull together with those who opposed our lifestyles is like asking a person of colour to pull together with a racist and see if they can work things out. It's just not going to happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How many Britons still actually live in London???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

That's the spirit...I've heard Brussels is nice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have been reading all of this and think this.

If that patition was to reach better than the total number of votes that brexit had then I could see a case for a 2nd referendam but that is not likely to happen.

But if it did I would agree with it.

I voted to leave by the way but would have respected the the vote either way.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough."

its pathetic tbh.

but if you don't vote don't complain.

I don't like the result but thats what the people decided,,end of.

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Thumbs up for democracy

The petition was created prior to the vote on Wednesday: I think it should count.

The final vote count of 17,410,472 vs 16,141,241 giving a margin of just 1,269,231 isn't convincing enough especially as there were torrential weather conditions across the south.

It would be interesting to know if older voters (voting out by post) could have been potentially affected by people being unable to get to polling stations possibly voting remain. "

The actual wording of the petition says the result should only stand if one side gets 60% of the vote or more. No side in this would ever get 60% or more, so we would carry on having referendums for eternity. David Cameron said this was a one off referendum, Jean Claude Juncker head of the EU said if UK votes leave then you leave. Remainers need to accept the result.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough.

We have no laws forcing the population to vote. How do you make them do it? "

The population of Britain is 64 million. In my eyes, to have 'won' the Leave camp would have to get 32 million votes in it's favour at the polls. It doesn't matter if 100% of the population don't vote, but they would have to cross that 32 million line.

The leave campaign actually only for 17.5 million votes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough.

We have no laws forcing the population to vote. How do you make them do it?

The leave campaign actually only for 17.5 million votes."

yes but if folk cant be arsed voting you can only go on those that do vote

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

What a ridiculous and incendiary statement.

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

"nope.... whats done is done... and you'd just have people spouting the same sets of lies again and demonising people..... "

In fairness - the u-turns and distancing less than 24hrs later on about immigration, £350m pw and realisation that Boris will be PM may have people realise that not voting since 1990 should have them take a keener interest in politics.

The taking back control (what-ever-the-fuck-that-is), is just a scapegoat. You ask people what this is, and the answer is our borders.

Farage has gathered hatred, Gove, Boris and the sheepish IDS jumped on it and it will only fester more as the financial repercussions are realised.

There should at least be a recount of votes and if it is too close, another referendum should get called

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By *urreyfun38Couple over a year ago

croydon

Get over it people we had the referendum.

The majority who voted, voted OUT.

End of argument.Its a Democracy the OUT vote won.

Just because certain people don t like the outcome they want to hold another one.So what do we do keep holding them until we get an outcome some like as then the other party will want another one to achieve the result they like.

The ones that didnt vote obviously didnt care one way or the other.

Been anti Europe for years and voted out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh and for all of the argumants about older people taking everything away.

I started with nothing left home with nothing and have worked baught a house to live in which will be left for my children when I evetually pop my cloggs

I have the same. My parents were babyboomers who bought when the market was low and helped make it almost impossible for my generation to purchase a house.

They've left it all to me in their wills though - so I suppose that will be fine as you say. The only problem is that I'll most likely be in my mid sixties before they pop their clogs. Hardly the right time to get on the housing market.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh and for all of the argumants about older people taking everything away.

I started with nothing left home with nothing and have worked, baught a house to live in which will be left for my children when I evetually pop my cloggs.

back in the day parents did not have the money to help out thier kids like a lot have been doing these days.

just saying

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Get over it people we had the referendum.

The majority who voted, voted OUT.

End of argument.Its a Democracy the OUT vote won.

Actually, Democracy is really about the people having the power to vote in elected officials who make important decisions for them.

So in that respect, a referendum isn't really 'democracy' at all. You should think of it more as giving the elected officials the benefit of your advice.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"The only thing that could be achieved by the petition is to have the question discussed in parliament. They'd never agree to re-do it.

Cal"

Over 200,000 people signed a petition to stop David Cameron's unfair tax payer funded £9 million EU propaganda leaflet. It was discussed in a parliament debate and then dismissed.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"The only thing that could be achieved by the petition is to have the question discussed in parliament. They'd never agree to re-do it.

Cal

Over 200,000 people signed a petition to stop David Cameron's unfair tax payer funded £9 million EU propaganda leaflet. It was discussed in a parliament debate and then dismissed. "

By that I mean the petition was dismissed. We all got the £9 million EU leaflet through our letterboxes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

What a ridiculous and incendiary statement."

Which bit is incendiary and which bit is ridiculous?

I don't find it ridiculous to not want to work with people who quite clearly don't tolerate my lifestyle. I just wish I could find a way to get citizenship for another country so that I didn't have to spend time with so many people who obviously don't want me here.

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By *VBethTV/TS over a year ago

Chester

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough.

We have no laws forcing the population to vote. How do you make them do it?

The leave campaign actually only for 17.5 million votes."

That's how democracy works. Those who are eligible to vote can register and then vote. If they don't (for whatever reason) then they don't count towards the final statistic.

Your total includes all ages. Children, prisoners etc cannot vote.

Whether or not the figures suit one individual cannot change the way democracy works. Over 50% of those eligible, registered and who actually voted, chose to leave the EU....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thumbs up for democracy

Democracy means you accept the vote. End of. Part of the non-democracy of the EU beurocracy was that they refused to accept votes in Eire and in Netherlands so asked them to do it again "until they got it right".

It would be like having a general election re-run again and again and again.....plain bonkers! And don't bring up PR...we had a referendum on this and the British voters rejected it in favour of first past the post parliamentary seats!

There was a vote. It was a clear decision one way...wether you like it or not that is it! ALL political leaders have said they accept the "will of the people". Go find a dictionary and look up the word democracy.

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

"It's quite funny people saying accept it and move on... If it were the other way round Nigel has said he would contest it.

The reason he said that was some foreign nationals came out saying that they had been sent polling cards. Obviously they had all voted that would have made the poll null and void...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough.

We have no laws forcing the population to vote. How do you make them do it?

The leave campaign actually only for 17.5 million votes.

That's how democracy works. Those who are eligible to vote can register and then vote. If they don't (for whatever reason) then they don't count towards the final statistic.

Your total includes all ages. Children, prisoners etc cannot vote.

Whether or not the figures suit one individual cannot change the way democracy works. Over 50% of those eligible, registered and who actually voted, chose to leave the EU.... "

I actually wouldn't have a problem with older children and prisoners voting on something so important.

My friends children above the age of about 8 could all pretty much understand the basic fundamental arguments for and again. Most of them are now very upset that their chance to live and work in 27 other countries have now been taken away from each other (as well as lots of funding for other great opportunity in their lives).

And prisoners should have votes IMO. They have had their freedom taken away which is their punishment. It has been shown in studies that engaging prisoners with the wider world - especially the political process - helps rehabilitate them back into society when the time comes. Plus being part of the EU or not is also a big decision for them. If we now repeal the human rights act, for instance, that could seriously affect how prisoners can be treated.

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

What a ridiculous and incendiary statement."

Older, working class voters have voted out though, and on the issue of immigration so why cant she hold issue whit that. Little England have voted with a resounding 70% of working class voting out on immigration. Feminism is seen as bad among this group along with Green issues. The demographic voted to kick the establishment and not to consider any other implications of the vote!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Go find a dictionary and look up the word democracy."

I did! Just for you!

"a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives."

Which means that the elected representatives make the decisions. It's not left up to the people.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"nope.... whats done is done... and you'd just have people spouting the same sets of lies again and demonising people.....

The taking back control (what-ever-the-fuck-that-is), is just a scapegoat. You ask people what this is, and the answer is our borders.

Farage has gathered hatred, Gove, Boris and the sheepish IDS jumped on it and it will only fester more as the financial repercussions are realised.

There should at least be a recount of votes and if it is too close, another referendum should get called

Leave won by over a million votes, a re-count would see the same result.

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By *ngel n tedCouple over a year ago

maidstone

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

I fully understand, i don't particularly feel like pulling together with folk that have smeared the out voters, calling us rascists, xenophobes, small minded and little britainers, whilst constantly spitting vitriotic bile at us....but hey ho

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough.

We have no laws forcing the population to vote. How do you make them do it?

The leave campaign actually only for 17.5 million votes."

In previous referendum there has been rules stating that for change there had to be not only a simple majority but a minimum amount of the electorate (which is actually 43,000,000). If that had been the rules I would have supported it but it wasn't. The votes have been cast and, like the result or not, we have to accept it and move forward. The important thing now is what sort off 'out' is 'out' going to be. There's still a lot to fight for and we have to start fighting for the best 'out' we can get and not waist anymore time fighting the battle we just lost.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

i am saddened that we voted exit, even more so in that it would only have taken 630,000 prople to have voted the opposite way for the result to be different...

i'm not sure i agree with a second vote, but i do feel we have behaved a bit like turkeys voting for christmas...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

Yes, I think that anyone who spouts vitriolic bile is a bad person. And quite clearly not all Leave voters are racists - although of course, all of the racists are likely to have voted to Leave.

If I put smiley faces at the end of my post does it make it seem like it's not aimed at you?

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By *illbillMan over a year ago

dublin

How dare foreigners ignore our general election results those foreigners stole our country

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By *VBethTV/TS over a year ago

Chester

I actually wouldn't have a problem with older children and prisoners voting on something so important.

Children are not allowed to do many things. You become an adult at 18 and adults get the right to vote among other things. You can't change the rules just so you have a better chance of getting the result you want.

Prisoners are in prison because it is decided they need to be out of decent civilised society for a while. If you cannot live within the law, why should you have the rights of those who do?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough.

We have no laws forcing the population to vote. How do you make them do it?

The leave campaign actually only for 17.5 million votes.

That's how democracy works. Those who are eligible to vote can register and then vote. If they don't (for whatever reason) then they don't count towards the final statistic.

Your total includes all ages. Children, prisoners etc cannot vote.

Whether or not the figures suit one individual cannot change the way democracy works. Over 50% of those eligible, registered and who actually voted, chose to leave the EU.... "

Turnout for this referendum was high. It was a 72% turnout. The biggest turnout for any election in the UK since the early 1990's.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But it's their future we all just fucked up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a new politics meme, just keep having a referendum every year no matter the results

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Older, working class voters have voted out though, and on the issue of immigration so why cant she hold issue whit that. Little England have voted with a resounding 70% of working class voting out on immigration. Feminism is seen as bad among this group along with Green issues. The demographic voted to kick the establishment and not to consider any other implications of the vote!"

I got as far as 'Little England' and lost interest ...

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

I got as far as 'Little England' and lost interest ...

They are identified by bad or no teeth and roly eyes

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By *alcon43Woman over a year ago

Paisley

"We could keep having referenda until we get the right answer, like the Scots want to"

Only some Scots. We don't all want to be independent but dear old Nicola Sturgeon has to do something to justify her position.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thumbs up for democracy

That's not democracy as I know it... That's sore losers who have thrown their toys out of their pram and want to backpedal in order to save face!!

I don't think it's good at all!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough.

We have no laws forcing the population to vote. How do you make them do it?

The leave campaign actually only for 17.5 million votes."

I am afraid that you can't count the votes of those who chose not to vote. How could you do that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough.

We have no laws forcing the population to vote. How do you make them do it?

The leave campaign actually only for 17.5 million votes.

I am afraid that you can't count the votes of those who chose not to vote. How could you do that?"

Oh the remain can count what they want until it works for them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But it's their future we all just fucked up."

Or guaranteed, it all depends on your personal _iew

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough.

We have no laws forcing the population to vote. How do you make them do it?

The leave campaign actually only for 17.5 million votes.

I am afraid that you can't count the votes of those who chose not to vote. How could you do that?"

I wouldn't. I would just ensure that the actual leave votes totalled over half the population. That way they would have to secure a clear majority at the polls. Not a marginal win that could have been swung by only 600k people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But it's their future we all just fucked up.

Or guaranteed, it all depends on your personal _iew

It's true, it does indeed.

Personally, I don't think taking away the ability to live and work in 27 other countries as a very good thing for future generations. It means we're stuck here on an island with people and we can't leave. The problem is that people have voted to secure their own futures - without considering the fact that not everyone has the same lifestyle as them. And now they've trapped us here with them to face the consequences of their decisions.

My life is likely to get worse. Thanks.

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By *tarlight7365Couple over a year ago

Norfolk

I can't believe people are still crying and spitting there dummy's out just because it didn't go there way, just get over it and move on, I can't believe Great Britain is really full of so many wingers and moaners

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

What a ridiculous and incendiary statement.

Which bit is incendiary and which bit is ridiculous?

There are many countries where you can seek citizenship, if you are so appalled by this country you should look into it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wonder if they had won by the same margin with the same turn out if they'd have been so concerned with the constitutional terms and conditions?

Frankly, the bile, accusations, hysteria, disrespect and assumptions of the remain camp because they were unable to convince enough people they were the right choice makes me very glad I'm not one of them.

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By *tarlight7365Couple over a year ago

Norfolk

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

What a ridiculous and incendiary statement.

Which bit is incendiary and which bit is ridiculous?

There are many countries where you can seek citizenship, if you are so appalled by this country you should look into it."

My sentiments exactly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Only if the EU comes back with vastly improved terms and conditions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

What a ridiculous and incendiary statement.

Which bit is incendiary and which bit is ridiculous?

There are many countries where you can seek citizenship, if you are so appalled by this country you should look into it."
Syria is very tolerant I hear

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But it's their future we all just fucked up.

Or guaranteed, it all depends on your personal _iew

It's true, it does indeed.

My life is likely to get worse. Thanks."

You can't leave? You're trapped? There are more than 27 other countries in the world and as far as I'm aware, travelling to and working in any of them as well as the 27 isn't prohibited and is unlikely to be...sorry but what a ridiculous statement to make

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

What a ridiculous and incendiary statement.

Which bit is incendiary and which bit is ridiculous?

There are many countries where you can seek citizenship, if you are so appalled by this country you should look into it.

My sentiments exactly

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

But it's their future we all just fucked up.

Or guaranteed, it all depends on your personal _iew

It's true, it does indeed.

My life is likely to get worse. Thanks.

Before the EU even came into existence I'm pretty sure people went to live and work in other European countries too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But it's their future we all just fucked up.

Or guaranteed, it all depends on your personal _iew

It's true, it does indeed.

My life is likely to get worse. Thanks."

Only thinking of yourself then. Where were you thinking of moving to?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I would just ensure that the actual leave votes totalled over half the population. That way they would have to secure a clear majority at the polls. Not a marginal win that could have been swung by only 600k people."

So how exactly does a 2 year old child vote? You really should not confuse 'Population' with 'Electorate'. And the clue is really in the 72% turnout figure. It is 72% of those able to vote ... ie 'Electorate'.

And here is a thought ... had a further 600,000 voted 'Leave' the majority would have increased by 50%. Isn't mathematics wonderful?

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By *urreyfun38Couple over a year ago

croydon

"Get over it people we had the referendum.

The majority who voted, voted OUT.

End of argument.Its a Democracy the OUT vote won.

Actually, Democracy is really about the people having the power to vote in elected officials who make important decisions for them.

So in that respect, a referendum isn't really 'democracy' at all. You should think of it more as giving the elected officials the benefit of your advice."

Qute right.And we advised them we want to leave.

So the fool that didnt think before he opened his mouth has gone and our elected officials are now going to take us out.

As I said democracy.Officials actually doing what the majority want.Which is what they should do as we elect them and pay them to do.

Yes we can argue back and forth about that majority only being about 35% but 28% chose not to exersise their democratic right and vote.

More fool them

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

Ignoring a majority vote and demanding a new vote is the opposite of democracy.

Also as to online petitions, the vet concept that 100k signitures on a website that has no regards of if a person signing is even allowed to vote, is flawed. A couple of 100k signitures should never trump 17 milion votes!!!

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By *ngel n tedCouple over a year ago

maidstone

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

Yes, I think that anyone who spouts vitriolic bile is a bad person. And quite clearly not all Leave voters are racists - although of course, all of the racists are likely to have voted to Leave.

If I put smiley faces at the end of my post does it make it seem like it's not aimed at you?

Put smileys on if you like, pixels are unlikely to effect my day

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough.

We have no laws forcing the population to vote. How do you make them do it?

The leave campaign actually only for 17.5 million votes.

I am afraid that you can't count the votes of those who chose not to vote. How could you do that?

You are normally quite rational but you clearly hate the result.

Why should a Remain vote count without a majority of the votes? Why should a Leave vote have a different rule?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Only if the EU comes back with vastly improved terms and conditions

Not going to happen LoL even if they wanted to they would never be seen to back down because then every other country would do the same thing.

The EU council (Juncker) want total control or no control and obedience of corse we would have to be good little children and not kick up a fuss or complain.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

David Lammy MP joining the band wagon now and urging Parliament to vote and reject the referendum vote. We live in dangerous times when elected representative seek to ignore the will of the people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"David Lammy MP joining the band wagon now and urging Parliament to vote and reject the referendum vote. We live in dangerous times when elected representative seek to ignore the will of the people."

It would be the end of a democratic country and would be the last time a lot of people bothered to even register to vote let alone bother voting!

I certainly would not be and would campaingn against voting on anything because there would be no point.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I heard on the news of an old man in his 80's who cried with happiness when the referendum result was announced because he said he fought in WW2 and his friends died to ensure Germany didn't get to rule the UK and he felt it had via the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am sick to the stomach that, as a nation, we voted to leave

But we did

So, for better or for worse, we need to get on with it

I am not happy, but neither am I interested in being a catalyst for civil unrest.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"David Lammy MP joining the band wagon now and urging Parliament to vote and reject the referendum vote. We live in dangerous times when elected representative seek to ignore the will of the people."

Oh dear God. I don't like the outcome but it's the will of the people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am sick to the stomach that, as a nation, we voted to leave

But we did

So, for better or for worse, we need to get on with it

I am not happy, but neither am I interested in being a catalyst for civil unrest."

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Vote early, vote often, as my dad says

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

The only way I would support a second referendum is if something vary fundamental changed or if article 50 was not invoked within a reasonable period of time.

We've made the decision to leave, let's get on with the job. The kaleidoscope has been shaken once more, the pieces are still in flux. It's up to us, all of us, to ensure that when the pieces settle and the picture forms it leaves us in the best possible position to ensure that this country, Great Britain, this United Kingdom, remains still Great and United.

To those who voted to Leave, you won. Now show some thought for the over half of the country that lost because we can not move forward to success divided. Give them time to get over the shock, for shocked we most surely are, and start to act like the good people you claim to be and not the people many who voted to remain fear you are.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"I heard on the news of an old man in his 80's who cried with happiness when the referendum result was announced because he said he fought in WW2 and his friends died to ensure Germany didn't get to rule the UK and he felt it had via the EU."

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By *htcMan over a year ago

we voted out, they have to accept it.

so if next we voted in, does that mean we can revote again.

or if it was the other way around, 48leave, 52remain, would they allow a revote, they would not.

we are out and that is it.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I think everyone was pretty shocked at the result!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think that, personally, over 50% of the *entire population* should have to vote for something so important.

The actual vote was more like 35% of the population - which is, IMO, not good enough.

We have no laws forcing the population to vote. How do you make them do it?

The leave campaign actually only for 17.5 million votes."

Population is 64 million. However roughly only 48 million are registered to vote or eligible to vote.

The referendum turnout was 71.8%, with more than 30 million people voting. It was the highest turnout in a UK-wide vote since the 1992 general election.

If people didn't vote then that is on them. But if they now choose to moan and demand another referendum because it wasn't what they feel should have happened all i can say is tough! Democracy means that the majority is favoured but we all have a voice and in future use it.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

I remember back in 1975 my grandfather, who seriously wounded at Gallipoli in World War 1 broke down in tears of happiness when we voted to stay in. He said that 'at last, no more British boys will be sent to Europe to kill and die'. I'm not sure how he'd be feeling now.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

It's all bollocks, I'm afraid

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"It's all bollocks, I'm afraid

Take a photo of Adele for me

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By *errygTV/TS over a year ago

denton

it wouldnt surprise me if the people who didnt vote are ones that want a rerun

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

It's not right to have a re-run in the hopes that the result will be different. What is done is done. We all need to help make it work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Telling someone like me to pull together with those who opposed our lifestyles is like asking a person of colour to pull together with a racist ."

So you fight fascism by acting like a fascist because a democratic vote didn't go your way ? Even your anti-racist comment is tinged with actual racism. It is like your are deifying 'person of colour' as not capable of being racist. Racists come in all shapes creeds and colours.

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By *urreyfun38Couple over a year ago

croydon

"David Lammy MP joining the band wagon now and urging Parliament to vote and reject the referendum vote. We live in dangerous times when elected representative seek to ignore the will of the people."

And this just shows what some politicians think of us. And why we ended up with a country devided.

Let's hope some from his party takes him to one side and explains in terms even this simpleton can understand what democracy is.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

It won't happen but there is a point of a minority of citizens causing us to leave the EU.

Perhaps the time for compulsory voting to be implemented.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

But it's their future we all just fucked up.

Or guaranteed, it all depends on your personal _iew

It's true, it does indeed.

My life is likely to get worse. Thanks."

There are 1.2 million brits living in the EU and 4.3 million living in other countries abroad, why do you think all those countries have all these brits, because they spend money, do jobs and increase the GDP of those countries, now why would the eu not want that are you saying that we wont be able to go to spain/greece on holiday etc are they not going to want to sell their cars/trucks tvs or whatever to us.

You say you have done a degree so you must have a decent level of intelligence so lets have some FACTS and figures or genuine reason why we wont be allowed into the EU countries

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No young lads will ever be sent to fight Germany or France or whoever for one simple reason: NATO.

However we have sent our best and bravest to Iraq for an illegal war and Afghanistan where no foreigner ever won a war. Same shit different continent

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By *ingdong11Man over a year ago

emsworth

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

What a ridiculous and incendiary statement.

Which bit is incendiary and which bit is ridiculous?

What on earth are you bleating on about?

I voted leave and im not homophobic or racist , you however are clearly very judgemental!

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By *qua vitaeWoman over a year ago

Shropshire/Midlands

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By *qua vitaeWoman over a year ago

Shropshire/Midlands

What's the point having a democracy if you keep on having referendums until you have the 'correct' result!!

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By *albec26Man over a year ago

Great Yarmouth

No young lads will ever be sent to fight Germany or France or whoever for one simple reason: NATO.

However we have sent our best and bravest to Iraq for an illegal war and Afghanistan where no foreigner ever won a war. Same shit different continent"

I also heard that inter_iew on radio and yes I can feel his pain in his words but that was 72 years ago. We are posting messages here in a forum where we don't know each other but share common ground. The world is a different place now. This is what those young men died for our choices and our democracy. Being in the EU was such a good thing, although painful for some in their memories.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's the point having a democracy if you keep on having referendums until you have the 'correct' result!!

That is how its done in EU Land ....

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By *ark_uk_1968Man over a year ago

chertsey

"Id just cry if we have to do it again.

But as a remainer id vote out if we did.

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By *ark_uk_1968Man over a year ago

chertsey

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

Agreed

What a ridiculous and incendiary statement."

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

Remain camp lost now get over it and grow up all you remain people.

Five years from now you will all be glad you lost the vote.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

Agreed

What a ridiculous and incendiary statement."
It has nothing to do with lifestyles get a grip grow up

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"What's the point having a democracy if you keep on having referendums until you have the 'correct' result!!

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By *ark_uk_1968Man over a year ago

chertsey

"Let's start trying to pull together to make the most of the new situation we find ourselves in.

I can't pull together with people who voted Leave. They voted to directly harm the lifestyles of millions of people. They voted to make future generations lives harder.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dear remain, voter

I'm sorry you did not get your own way in the EU referendum, don't blame the people who voted to leave!

Blame the 28% of eligible voters who did not bother to turn up

Blame the 232 people who left their ballot paper blank

Blame the 9,084 people who crossed both boxes in protest

Blame the 836 people who added their names to the ballot paper

Blame the 15,207 who voided their vote for other reasons

Leave voters are not selfish, racist, xenophobic, bigoted or stupid.

They voted for our children & grandchildren, they voted for our democracy, they voted for our sovereignty, they voted for our fishermen, they voted for our farmers, they voted for our steel industry, they voted for our NHS, they voted for our schools, they voted for our laws, they voted for our borders, they voted for our economy, they voted for our rights, they voted for our freedom of speech & they voted for a Greater Britain.

They didn't vote for YOU!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Best of 3 anyone?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not like there are two identical universes - one where Britain stays and one where we leave. We'll never know if staying or leaving makes any difference because there will never be a direct self-comparison. It seems to me that the remain voters are frightened of the future, like a child afraid of the dark, but we Brits have always been adventurers and explorers and this is one of the greatest unknowns ever. It's up to all of us to make the journey together, and make things better however we can, as British people, rather than European citizens. We've done pretty well throughout history so far.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dear remain, voter

I'm sorry you did not get your own way in the EU referendum, don't blame the people who voted to leave!

Blame the 28% of eligible voters who did not bother to turn up

Blame the 232 people who left their ballot paper blank

Blame the 9,084 people who crossed both boxes in protest

Blame the 836 people who added their names to the ballot paper

Blame the 15,207 who voided their vote for other reasons

Leave voters are not selfish, racist, xenophobic, bigoted or stupid.

They didn't vote for YOU!"

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Dear remain, voter

I'm sorry you did not get your own way in the EU referendum, don't blame the people who voted to leave!

Blame the 28% of eligible voters who did not bother to turn up

Blame the 232 people who left their ballot paper blank

Blame the 9,084 people who crossed both boxes in protest

Blame the 836 people who added their names to the ballot paper

Blame the 15,207 who voided their vote for other reasons

Leave voters are not selfish, racist, xenophobic, bigoted or stupid.

They didn't vote for YOU!"
Best post of the day

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By *irtycpl7980Couple over a year ago

Northumberland

I voted to remain, you can see this in the The Lounge. Forum under Referendum, however I agree that we cannot simply re run. The majority no matter how narrow have voted out and if the apathetic 28% regret not voting then they should have got off their asses in the first place.

I am deeply unhappy about the outcome and really wish it hadn't gone the way it has but we voted out, now it's time reap what we sow ... I just hope it's a bountiful crop and not a wilted husk.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Go find a dictionary and look up the word democracy.

I did! Just for you!

"a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives."

Which means that the elected representatives make the decisions. It's not left up to the people."

"Typically"....because that's what we have decided for day to day government. But not exclusively. Your definition is of democratic government....not of democracy per se.....

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Dear remain, voter

I'm sorry you did not get your own way in the EU referendum, don't blame the people who voted to leave!

Blame the 28% of eligible voters who did not bother to turn up

Blame the 232 people who left their ballot paper blank

Blame the 9,084 people who crossed both boxes in protest

Blame the 836 people who added their names to the ballot paper

Blame the 15,207 who voided their vote for other reasons

Leave voters are not selfish, racist, xenophobic, bigoted or stupid.

They didn't vote for YOU!"

And when the EU gives the UK a good rogering for the way the voted and the rest of the financial world picks the bones clean .... it's all your fault

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

But it's their future we all just fucked up.

Or guaranteed, it all depends on your personal _iew

It's true, it does indeed.

My life is likely to get worse. Thanks.

You say you have done a degree so you must have a decent level of intelligence so lets have some FACTS and figures or genuine reason why we wont be allowed into the EU countries "

Well we're talking about slamming the door shut on EU citizens who want to come and live, work, spend money and increase our GDP so if we're willing to do it to them what makes you think that they won't do the same to us. The reality is is that British people's rights to live and work in the EU will be exactly the same as EU citizens' rights to live and work here. If we want it to stay the same as now that means free movement of EU citizens into Britain as now. Any restrictions on their movement here will result in similar restrictions on us going there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What's the point having a democracy if you keep on having referendums until you have the 'correct' result!!

That's not democracy....it's called the EU! It's what they did to Eire and the Netherlands when they voted against a treaty......they were told to vote again!

If that is the only reason to get out...it beats any and all reasons to stay in as the beurocracy juggernaut rolls ever onwards into inevitable catastrophe. That is the alet native future of remain. But that will not happen now....so like it or lump it....but accept it for that is now the fact of the result!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Btw it is referenda....not referendums (sorry...I'm not normally with the grammar police but that one annoys me as so many have said it)

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Dear remain, voter

I'm sorry you did not get your own way in the EU referendum, don't blame the people who voted to leave!

Blame the 28% of eligible voters who did not bother to turn up

Blame the 232 people who left their ballot paper blank

Blame the 9,084 people who crossed both boxes in protest

Blame the 836 people who added their names to the ballot paper

Blame the 15,207 who voided their vote for other reasons

Leave voters are not selfish, racist, xenophobic, bigoted or stupid.

They didn't vote for YOU!

And when the EU gives the UK a good rogering for the way the voted and the rest of the financial world picks the bones clean .... it's all your fault "
Your talking a load of crap,you have no faith in your own country,examine the facts

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Remain camp lost now get over it and grow up all you remain people.

Five years from now you will all be glad you lost the vote."

I hope you're right but I fear in 5 years it will be those that voted Leave who will look back with both anger and regret. But time will tell.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

But it's their future we all just fucked up.

Or guaranteed, it all depends on your personal _iew

It's true, it does indeed.

My life is likely to get worse. Thanks.

You say you have done a degree so you must have a decent level of intelligence so lets have some FACTS and figures or genuine reason why we wont be allowed into the EU countries

NO ONE from the brexit side has said anything about slamming the door SHUT they have said control the numbers using a points system to allow in those who we need. That is hugely different and I would be more than happy to be treated the same and is what happens if you want to go to most other parts of the world, we have a shortage of housing and a NHS under huge pressure despite record sums being spent we need to be to slow numbers and control who comes, now is that really so bad

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

Thumbs up for democracy

Spitting your dummy out when a vote does not go your way is not a good example of democracy.

I voted leave as I believe deeply in democracy. The EU is a non democratic mess. I heard it described as a 70s answer to a 50s problem.

If it was purely a trade organisation, as it was set up initially, I would have voted Remain.

Democracy is the rock that all countries and organisations should be built on. I hope the EU fails and crumbles and is consigned to history as a terrible experiment."

And I hope the UK goes bankrupt it's become a terrible nation of people ..

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By *scottMan over a year ago

Irvine

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Btw it is referenda....not referendums (sorry...I'm not normally with the grammar police but that one annoys me as so many have said it)"

Actually it's either. Check the Oxford English Dictionary. I personally prefer to use referenda because referendums just sounds wrong to me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remain camp lost now get over it and grow up all you remain people.

Five years from now you will all be glad you lost the vote.

I hope you're right but I fear in 5 years it will be those that voted Leave who will look back with both anger and regret. But time will tell."

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By *ohnaronMan over a year ago

london

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thumbs up for democracy

Spitting your dummy out when a vote does not go your way is not a good example of democracy.

I voted leave as I believe deeply in democracy. The EU is a non democratic mess. I heard it described as a 70s answer to a 50s problem.

If it was purely a trade organisation, as it was set up initially, I would have voted Remain.

Democracy is the rock that all countries and organisations should be built on. I hope the EU fails and crumbles and is consigned to history as a terrible experiment.

And I hope the UK goes bankrupt it's become a terrible nation of people .."

Charming

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Been reports of gross stupidity. 'I voted out but didn't think it would happen' etc. Made yer bed and all that.

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"The SNP and Sturgeon you mean NOT the majority of Scots . Results should be respected and your right in what you say , its unacceptable to keep on having Referendums until the outcome of the vote suits your particular _iew."

Lets see if your _iew remains the same when its revealed exactly what sort of brexit is dished out to the UK ..

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By *illbillMan over a year ago

dublin

But it's their future we all just fucked up.

Or guaranteed, it all depends on your personal _iew

It's true, it does indeed.

My life is likely to get worse. Thanks.

Before the EU even came into existence I'm pretty sure people went to live and work in other European countries too.

"
but back then you called it colonisation others called it invasion

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Dear remain, voter

I'm sorry you did not get your own way in the EU referendum, don't blame the people who voted to leave!

Blame the 28% of eligible voters who did not bother to turn up

Blame the 232 people who left their ballot paper blank

Blame the 9,084 people who crossed both boxes in protest

Blame the 836 people who added their names to the ballot paper

Blame the 15,207 who voided their vote for other reasons

Leave voters are not selfish, racist, xenophobic, bigoted or stupid.

They didn't vote for YOU!

And when the EU gives the UK a good rogering for the way the voted and the rest of the financial world picks the bones clean .... it's all your fault Your talking a load of crap,you have no faith in your own country,examine the facts"

There are no facts, only opinion. Most of that opinion seems to think we'll be worse of than we would have been if we'd stayed in. But it's all academic now as we're leaving. I personally think we will do OK out of the EU and I will be doing everything I can to ensure we do. However I believed before Thursday that Britain was better of in the EU than out and I still believe that we would have been better of staying in than we will be leaving. I don't see why that means I have any less faith in Britain than anyone else who voted out. It's a bit like me saying you lacked faith in your countries ability to compete with Germany, France and the rest in the EU.

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