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"Did you imagine we could just walk away?" Aye, basically, tell them to get to f-ck, lol. | |||
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"Did you imagine we could just walk away?" It appears many people did! | |||
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"That was always the case. The EU is pressing for a quicker finish though." There will be no movement until we have a representative. Cameron has resigned and Junker knows article 50 cannot be implemented until we have an elected representative. It can't be - logically. It was quite a good move on his part to buy us time and give us a little control. I for one didn't want a hand over to Boris. | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish????" They want us out faster than we do. | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed." well... offically 2 years from the point where you actually envoke article 50 of which the leavers are in no rush to suddenly do..... or.... you could repeal the EU/EC communities act and basically just break it dead.... in which case all EU agreements would be null and void... and WTO tarriffs would just start tomorrow.... | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed." It's hardly news
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish????" Fabio used a good example yesterday, which I've heard from political pundits too. It's like a divorce. One wants the other to just go without further disruption to the family, whilst the other wants to go once they have a new house and partner in place. The "jilted" party is seldom accommodating. | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish????" If your partner decided to divorce you would you want him or her to wait two years before seeing a solicitor? | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? They want us out faster than we do." Forgive my naivety because politics isn't my strong area. However I stil don't understand why the EU is pushing to get us out so quickly? Why do they want us out fast? I actually thought they wanted us to stay in. | |||
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"Did you imagine we could just walk away? Aye, basically, tell them to get to f-ck, lol." That isn't really helpful or realistic. | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? They want us out faster than we do." Forgive my naivety because politics isn't my strong area. However I stil don't understand why the EU is pushing to get us out so quickly? Why do they want us out fast? I actually thought they wanted us to stay in. | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish????" I'm guessing it's because uncertainty leads to fiscal instability! I've not looked at the currency and stock markets today - but yesterday the eurozone fared even worse than we did! One of the strongest countries in the EU has opted to leave - and others are muttering about following suit! It's a hugely uncertain time and only when it's 'done and dusted' will the markets recover. My thoughts anyway - but then again I'm not that bright! | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? They want us out faster than we do." Forgive my naivety because politics isn't my strong area. However I stil don't understand why the EU is pushing to get us out so quickly? Why do they want us out fast? I actually thought they wanted us to stay in. | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? They want us out faster than we do. Forgive my naivety because politics isn't my strong area. However I stil don't understand why the EU is pushing to get us out so quickly? Why do they want us out fast? I actually thought they wanted us to stay in." Loads of reasons but if I was in Europe I wouldn't want a country who didn't want us. The old saying you can't have your cake and eat it applies here. | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? They want us out faster than we do." If i was an EU country its now about protecting yourself as opposed to the UK, so the longer the UK drags it out.. which would be in the UK's interest because it gives them more time formally and informally... the worse it is for the EU because it is more time of not knowing and uncertainty.... If i was an EU country i'd now look at a way of forcing the UK "on the clock"... and thats what they are probably doing this weekend.... | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? I'm guessing it's because uncertainty leads to fiscal instability! I've not looked at the currency and stock markets today - but yesterday the eurozone fared even worse than we did! One of the strongest countries in the EU has opted to leave - and others are muttering about following suit! It's a hugely uncertain time and only when it's 'done and dusted' will the markets recover. My thoughts anyway - but then again I'm not that bright! "You sound pretty smart to me! I did notice the stock market massive down turn yesterday. It was pretty scary actually and I am no financial wizard but seeing that happen within hours was shocking. | |||
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"Don't worry that's only 1.2 million more immigrants in before we leave "Yeah it's a bummer, coming over here working in our hospitals, on our farms and paying taxes | |||
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"Whispers of other, EU. member states. Wanting to go alone aswell. Atleast, Britain. has got the balls to do it, right or wrong. Only time will tell?" Oh I hadn't read that others were considering leaving too. Which countries? | |||
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"This is where Ian Duncan Smith and his ability to solve trade deals comes in I think. In reality Article 50 is a divorce and trade agreement wrapped into one. First you need a state representative though, If we invoke Article 50 without one we will be in utter confusion and come out a lot worse than we will. With one at least we will have time to understand what we want to gain out of Europe. No doubt there have been plans drawn up for this kind of event and for someone in a prom dress to just swan in and sit down at the table unprepared we really will be the dead man of Europe. A new PM needs to be found first and considered appropriately. " Please God not Boris then!!!!!!!! | |||
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"I guess that's us out of the Eurovsuon Contest then!! Lol!!!!! Can you imagine if we competed next year? I think I can safely say it's 'nil point' all round!!! "PMSL.  | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? They want us out faster than we do. Forgive my naivety because politics isn't my strong area. However I stil don't understand why the EU is pushing to get us out so quickly? Why do they want us out fast? I actually thought they wanted us to stay in." reverse psychology..,it wont work... | |||
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"Liverpools fc have not been in Europe for a while and their not doing to bad "Last season, they were in the, Europa. Cup. Final. | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? I'm guessing it's because uncertainty leads to fiscal instability! I've not looked at the currency and stock markets today - but yesterday the eurozone fared even worse than we did! One of the strongest countries in the EU has opted to leave - and others are muttering about following suit! It's a hugely uncertain time and only when it's 'done and dusted' will the markets recover. My thoughts anyway - but then again I'm not that bright! "Ours stock market didn't end up as bad as it started. Reading some articles today, it might drop further over next few days but long term it will recover. Doesn't leaving give the financiers chance to go into other markets they couldn't before. I'm sure I read that too. Some will make money out of the current market uncertainty. | |||
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"Did you imagine we could just walk away? Aye, basically, tell them to get to f-ck, lol." Whoever becomes PM should have you as the Chief negotiator.. stunning plan.. | |||
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"Liverpools fc have not been in Europe for a while and their not doing to bad
Last season, they were in the, Europa. Cup. Final."Yes and was beaten 3-1 by sevill !! Just a bit of humour to lighten the mood don't take life so seriously  | |||
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"Juncke has been a pain, playing hardball with the U.K. " Was always going to be the case though, its surprised me a little how much that the EU seem to be surprised.. what they have is a fire in their next door neighbours garden and their neighbours are saying we'll do something about it later, meanwhile the embers are carried on the wind to their gardens.. | |||
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"Juncke has been a pain, playing hardball with the U.K. " if you were other end.... if i was juncke i would say exactly the same thing... why do people think he should give the uk some sort of sweatheart deal... he works for the eu, and has to work in there best interest... and putting pressure on the uk now is in their best interest.... | |||
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Even "Communist. Corbyn." and the, Labour. party are in disarray aswell. | |||
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"Did you imagine we could just walk away? Aye, basically, tell them to get to f-ck, lol. Whoever becomes PM should have you as the Chief negotiator.. stunning plan.." | |||
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"Boris. Johnson. and, Nigel. Farage. Should do the negotiations with, Britain's. exit plan?" i think you would then find out very quickly that in fact "hope" is not a strategy..... i do feel it should be vote leave who do the negoiating.. just because we can then hold their feet to the fire so to speak if they don't get what they promised.... | |||
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"Boris. Johnson. and, Nigel. Farage. Should do the negotiations with, Britain's. exit plan?" Farage couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. I want someone with integrity to do it. | |||
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"Boris. Johnson. and, Nigel. Farage. Should do the negotiations with, Britain's. exit plan? Farage couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. I want someone with integrity to do it. " He can negotiate the (immigration) policy. That is his foretay and "BJ" can negotiate the closing of the, Channel. Tunnel.? lol. | |||
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"Boris. Johnson. and, Nigel. Farage. Should do the negotiations with, Britain's. exit plan?" I really hope that's a joke. Thankfully they are in different party's and one of them is elected as an MP | |||
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"Boris. Johnson. and, Nigel. Farage. Should do the negotiations with, Britain's. exit plan? I really hope that's a joke. Thankfully they are in different party's and one of them is elected as an MP" No joke. | |||
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"We need to take our time to make sure we get the best deals. The Scandanavian countries are all now considering their position and are open to direct deals with the UK. Germany likewise will fight our case as they know how bad it would be for the EU if they try and play hard ball." I think it's in the EU's best interest to make it hard, why make it easy so others can think it's painless and leave too? I think it's gonna be a long time before we go | |||
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"They want us out fast and on harsh terms to act as a deterrent to all the others members with citizens who also want referendums on leaving the EU. Basically a mega scare tactic yet again.. Because of course the best way isn't too win a vote ..it's to make sure it never happens Straight out of the EU and it's supporters democracy handbook. " Which is why our relationship with Germany is so important. They rely on trade with the UK and want to keep everything amicable. | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? They want us out faster than we do. Forgive my naivety because politics isn't my strong area. However I stil don't understand why the EU is pushing to get us out so quickly? Why do they want us out fast? I actually thought they wanted us to stay in." We would have preferred you to stay ; but now you have chosen to go; then it needs to be concluded quickly, so that the UK and the EU can stabilise their markets; and start again; whilst the " dead partner " is hanging around; we can't go forward. Plus, since we will be wishing to set up trade deals with You in the UK, we need to start them as soon as possible . I'm your interests as well as yours. And also, you can't pick and choose what you want to do, and when. Everything must be untangled; once the negotiations start, a date for exit is agreed; the UK remains a full member of the EU , with all its responsibilities, until midnight on the date set. And why can't the UK just walk away tomorrow? There are 40 years of laws, financial interlinkings, industrial partnerships, etc etc etc to disentangle and re-arrange. Like a divorce; you can't just walk away ( well some people do) but you have to sort out who owns what, who owes who what, split and set up bank accounts etc etc, which safety standards apply to imported / exported goods, how a visa system is set up, the list is endless. Fucking hard work to do it all in 2 years. | |||
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"Boris. Johnson. and, Nigel. Farage. Should do the negotiations with, Britain's. exit plan? I really hope that's a joke. Thankfully they are in different party's and one of them is elected as an MP No joke." Do you actually understand what has happened or just happy to 'take our country back?' | |||
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"We need to take our time to make sure we get the best deals. The Scandanavian countries are all now considering their position and are open to direct deals with the UK. Germany likewise will fight our case as they know how bad it would be for the EU if they try and play hard ball. I think it's in the EU's best interest to make it hard, why make it easy so others can think it's painless and leave too? I think it's gonna be a long time before we go" . It's in there best interests, however until we decide to enact article 50 were full members of the EU and quite frankly there's fuck all they can do about it!. So there's the political ping pong, junkers a cunt, we couldn't possibly put our cunt in a room with him as nothing good comes from a room full of cunts!  | |||
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"is a long winded process that no doubt will get dragged out through the media. Maybe if we didnt pay anything in they might get things done quicker
All be Worth it in the end though " | |||
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"Don't worry that's only 1.2 million more immigrants in before we leave " IMO moron | |||
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU)." . I don't think your alone and I think it's a valid point.... However why use words like infestation?. It's not very helpful and leads to the wrong type of thinking | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed." Further proof most leavers didn't pay any actual real attention to the facts as this was well known. | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed. Further proof most leavers didn't pay any actual real attention to the facts as this was well known." I can wait. I got the result I wanted. | |||
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU).. I don't think your alone and I think it's a valid point.... However why use words like infestation?. It's not very helpful and leads to the wrong type of thinking" It started off as a "drip" turned into a "trickle" after yesterday's result. Hopefully, now, it will not become a "flood"? | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed. Further proof most leavers didn't pay any actual real attention to the facts as this was well known." did you all not know that the lawyers abd the polititians have to make an absolute fortune before it's all done and dusted | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed. Further proof most leavers didn't pay any actual real attention to the facts as this was well known. I can wait. I got the result I wanted." Through ignorance. Did you also know that the leave campaign admitted last night it's barely going to effect immigration. So did you really? | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed. Further proof most leavers didn't pay any actual real attention to the facts as this was well known." Some may not have know but either way voting out was the right thing to do. | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed. Further proof most leavers didn't pay any actual real attention to the facts as this was well known. Some may not have know but either way voting out was the right thing to do." | |||
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"I genuinely think some people in power think the EU will say ' let's negotiate now for you to stay '. People voted to leave, start the process now." If they had realised we were serious when Cameron "tried" to get a deal (but got fcuk all.....but claimed he had got a "special" relationship). Then the result may have been different? | |||
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU).. I don't think your alone and I think it's a valid point.... However why use words like infestation?. It's not very helpful and leads to the wrong type of thinking" Or confirm with his words what some of us already suspect from *some*. | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed. Further proof most leavers didn't pay any actual real attention to the facts as this was well known." Those in Cornwall didn't it appears. | |||
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"I fully expect another general election (this year)along with another scottish referendum AND another Eu referendum all within the next 2 years "if Britain is out it's out because if we tried to get back in 1 we would be blocked and 2 if we managed to slide in they would force the Euro on us and that would be the kiss of death. | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed. Further proof most leavers didn't pay any actual real attention to the facts as this was well known. Some may not have know but either way voting out was the right thing to do." In your opinion, in mine those who did have ruined this country and will bring it to its knees and destroyed it for my children. | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed. Further proof most leavers didn't pay any actual real attention to the facts as this was well known. I can wait. I got the result I wanted." You'll have to, this time next year you'll still be waiting for the article 50 trigger to be pulled | |||
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"in realty he never got any kins of real deal all he got was we will look into doing this and doing that but 27 other states can and will over rule you in the end. The original common market was a good idea at the start but the EU is nothing like that. It's not free trade as you have to pay into it to be able to trade so where is thr free bit? Oh and here for being a good boy heres some pocket money back but here is what you have to spend it on " Why pay a Costco membership fee just to get the cheap prices? | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed." How long did you think it would take?  | |||
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU).. I don't think your alone and I think it's a valid point.... However why use words like infestation?. It's not very helpful and leads to the wrong type of thinking Or confirm with his words what some of us already suspect from *some*." thank you for saying what i finally thinking...... you would not have used that word by accident.... its calculated, deliberate and downright nasty! it actually makes me more angry..... but at least the OP can drop the pretense now...... ooooh.... and for your friend who agreed with you......  | |||
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"That was always the case. The EU is pressing for a quicker finish though." The EU are actually pressing for a quicker start, they don't want to wait 3 months before the process begins. On the other hand the Leave campaign actually want to delay the start of the process for 2 years, then the next general election will line up with the final exit from the EU. | |||
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"in realty he never got any kins of real deal all he got was we will look into doing this and doing that but 27 other states can and will over rule you in the end. The original common market was a good idea at the start but the EU is nothing like that. It's not free trade as you have to pay into it to be able to trade so where is thr free bit? Oh and here for being a good boy heres some pocket money back but here is what you have to spend it on Why pay a Costco membership fee just to get the cheap prices?" but costco does not tell you what you can spend your'e other money on or tell you that you cannot ship certain goods to other countries because thats someone elses market. | |||
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"That was always the case. The EU is pressing for a quicker finish though. The EU are actually pressing for a quicker start, they don't want to wait 3 months before the process begins. On the other hand the Leave campaign actually want to delay the start of the process for 2 years, then the next general election will line up with the final exit from the EU." The EU now want to apear strong against the UK to save face. If they sais that's ok take you're own sweet time it would give the impression that they are worried about it. why wait 3 months might as well get it started on monday morning. they are having a meeting about it anyways of what they are going to do now so should our government | |||
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"in realty he never got any kins of real deal all he got was we will look into doing this and doing that but 27 other states can and will over rule you in the end. The original common market was a good idea at the start but the EU is nothing like that. It's not free trade as you have to pay into it to be able to trade so where is thr free bit? Oh and here for being a good boy heres some pocket money back but here is what you have to spend it on Why pay a Costco membership fee just to get the cheap prices? but costco does not tell you what you can spend your'e other money on or tell you that you cannot ship certain goods to other countries because thats someone elses market." They do lol
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU).. I don't think your alone and I think it's a valid point.... However why use words like infestation?. It's not very helpful and leads to the wrong type of thinking Or confirm with his words what some of us already suspect from *some*. thank you for saying what i finally thinking...... you would not have used that word by accident.... its calculated, deliberate and downright nasty! it actually makes me more angry..... but at least the OP can drop the pretense now...... ooooh.... and for your friend who agreed with you...... "this.. 'patriotism', my arse.. | |||
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU).. I don't think your alone and I think it's a valid point.... However why use words like infestation?. It's not very helpful and leads to the wrong type of thinking Or confirm with his words what some of us already suspect from *some*. thank you for saying what i finally thinking...... you would not have used that word by accident.... its calculated, deliberate and downright nasty! it actually makes me more angry..... but at least the OP can drop the pretense now...... ooooh.... and for your friend who agreed with you......
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'patriotism', my arse.."I have the right to my opinion. I live in a free country and, oh, by the way. An a (EU) free country now. | |||
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU).. I don't think your alone and I think it's a valid point.... However why use words like infestation?. It's not very helpful and leads to the wrong type of thinking Or confirm with his words what some of us already suspect from *some*. thank you for saying what i finally thinking...... you would not have used that word by accident.... its calculated, deliberate and downright nasty! it actually makes me more angry..... but at least the OP can drop the pretense now...... ooooh.... and for your friend who agreed with you......
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I have the right to my opinion. I live in a free country and, oh, by the way. An a (EU) free country now. "absolutely you do.. ps, we are still in it till we leave.. | |||
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU).. I don't think your alone and I think it's a valid point.... However why use words like infestation?. It's not very helpful and leads to the wrong type of thinking Or confirm with his words what some of us already suspect from *some*. thank you for saying what i finally thinking...... you would not have used that word by accident.... its calculated, deliberate and downright nasty! it actually makes me more angry..... but at least the OP can drop the pretense now...... ooooh.... and for your friend who agreed with you......
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'patriotism', my arse..
I have the right to my opinion. I live in a free country and, oh, by the way. An a (EU) free country now.
absolutely you do..
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"It took Greenland (The only other country to leave the EU) 5 yrs to settle all negotiations and complete leaving the EU." and the scary thing was the only thing they had to negoiate about was fish.....  | |||
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"It took Greenland (The only other country to leave the EU) 5 yrs to settle all negotiations and complete leaving the EU." But they haven't looked back since! | |||
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" I have the right to my opinion. I live in a free country and, oh, by the way. An a (EU) free country now. "and so do i... and we have to make this work.... and because its a free country, i can say I thing you are an arse for using the word "infestation" to describe people who come here and for the most part do their jobs and pay their taxes as a higher percentage... than the local population....... as someone said about the nhs....you are way more likely to be treated by someone from the EU, than be in a hospital bed next to someone from the EU..... it is ignorant at best and absolutly abhorrant at worst! | |||
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU)." I got a tattoo of a rat on my forearm earlier this year. It was to remind me of the way that the Nazi's portrayed people they wanted rid of. They portrayed them in propaganda as rats. As an infestation. As rodents who were taking over. Last year the Daily Mail cartoonist did the same. He portrayed refugees to this country who were fleeing human rights atrocities as an infestation of rats. He took his inspiration directly from Nazi visual propaganda. I got my rat tattoo to remember that if I ever think of other human beings as an 'infestation' then I deserve to be put down myself. Because I am no better than a Nazi. | |||
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"It took Greenland (The only other country to leave the EU) 5 yrs to settle all negotiations and complete leaving the EU. But they haven't looked back since!" Because comparisons between Greenland with one export and Britain are completely the same thing | |||
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU).. I don't think your alone and I think it's a valid point.... However why use words like infestation?. It's not very helpful and leads to the wrong type of thinking Or confirm with his words what some of us already suspect from *some*. thank you for saying what i finally thinking...... you would not have used that word by accident.... its calculated, deliberate and downright nasty! it actually makes me more angry..... but at least the OP can drop the pretense now...... ooooh.... and for your friend who agreed with you......
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'patriotism', my arse..
I have the right to my opinion. I live in a free country and, oh, by the way. An a (EU) free country now. "Absolutely you do, but using terms like that is it any wonder the claims of racism/xenophobia (fairly or unfairly) leveled at the leavers? (more than fairly in your case) | |||
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"It took Greenland (The only other country to leave the EU) 5 yrs to settle all negotiations and complete leaving the EU." oh and we were told the UK was the first country to leave the EU ?? | |||
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""sour grapes" to the "remainers" lol." fella its not about the vote, thats done.. its your use of terminology that has more to do with fascism and guess what it was as offensive and vile before Thursdays vote as it is now.. | |||
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""sour grapes" to the "remainers" lol." It's hardly a surprise that the 48% who were on the loosing side are not happy really, it is a massive move for the country to make and the level of uncertainty is unsettling. Bare in mind though before you swing the "bad looser" flag, the LEAVE campaign were already distributing conspiracy theories and claiming the vote was "pre-Decided" and "a fix" before the voting was even started, can you imagine what their response would have been if the vote had gone the other way. Personally I'm a realist, the vote has been cast. The result is decided. Now is the time to move forward and deal with what ever comes next. Even though both sides have different _iews on the journey, the destination is the same.... a successful and prosperous Britain. Cal | |||
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"It took Greenland (The only other country to leave the EU) 5 yrs to settle all negotiations and complete leaving the EU.oh and we were told the UK was the first country to leave the EU ??" Greenland's one if those funny ones were it is a country...but in a way it's not, it's a dependency of Denmark, so I'd say the closest comparison would be somewhere like the isle of man or jersey | |||
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""sour grapes" to the "remainers" lol. fella its not about the vote, thats done.. its your use of terminology that has more to do with fascism and guess what it was as offensive and vile before Thursdays vote as it is now.. " | |||
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"It took Greenland (The only other country to leave the EU) 5 yrs to settle all negotiations and complete leaving the EU.oh and we were told the UK was the first country to leave the EU ?? Greenland's one if those funny ones were it is a country...but in a way it's not, it's a dependency of Denmark, so I'd say the closest comparison would be somewhere like the isle of man or jersey " Agreed! But it still took 5 yrs which was my point! | |||
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"There is a minimum age to vote I think now that Britain is control of its laws it should now impose a minimum i q to vote cause some of the issues I've heard discussed are beyond reason and I didn't bother entering into debate cause u just can't apply rational arguments to irrational minds " | |||
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"There is a minimum age to vote I think now that Britain is control of its laws it should now impose a minimum i q to vote cause some of the issues I've heard discussed are beyond reason and I didn't bother entering into debate cause u just can't apply rations arguments to irrational minds "You do know that if you sit yourself high upon an intellectual pedestal, then one of the grammar/ punctuation police will kick one of the legs away .. | |||
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""sour grapes" to the "remainers" lol." as i said... it isn't about the referendum result... it is what it is and we move on... this is all about YOU.... your words and your opinion of the people who come here... and if you truely believe that calling people "infestations" is acceptable..... you and i live in different worlds.... its disgusting! | |||
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"It took Greenland (The only other country to leave the EU) 5 yrs to settle all negotiations and complete leaving the EU.oh and we were told the UK was the first country to leave the EU ?? Greenland's one if those funny ones were it is a country...but in a way it's not, it's a dependency of Denmark, so I'd say the closest comparison would be somewhere like the isle of man or jersey Agreed! But it still took 5 yrs which was my point!" Oh exactly, 50k population one export and Danish financial system took 5yrs so image how long it would take here | |||
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"It took Greenland (The only other country to leave the EU) 5 yrs to settle all negotiations and complete leaving the EU.oh and we were told the UK was the first country to leave the EU ?? Greenland's one if those funny ones were it is a country...but in a way it's not, it's a dependency of Denmark, so I'd say the closest comparison would be somewhere like the isle of man or jersey Agreed! But it still took 5 yrs which was my point! Oh exactly, 50k population one export and Danish financial system took 5yrs so image how long it would take here" Ha ha you do the maths, I'll just get the beers in and agree with your sums | |||
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU).. I don't think your alone and I think it's a valid point.... However why use words like infestation?. It's not very helpful and leads to the wrong type of thinking Or confirm with his words what some of us already suspect from *some*. thank you for saying what i finally thinking...... you would not have used that word by accident.... its calculated, deliberate and downright nasty! it actually makes me more angry..... but at least the OP can drop the pretense now...... ooooh.... and for your friend who agreed with you...... "Hahaha that's not how you stop "the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom!!!" You should do a referendum to stop UK selling the weapons to the ISIS instead | |||
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"It took Greenland (The only other country to leave the EU) 5 yrs to settle all negotiations and complete leaving the EU.oh and we were told the UK was the first country to leave the EU ?? Greenland's one if those funny ones were it is a country...but in a way it's not, it's a dependency of Denmark, so I'd say the closest comparison would be somewhere like the isle of man or jersey Agreed! But it still took 5 yrs which was my point! Oh exactly, 50k population one export and Danish financial system took 5yrs so image how long it would take here Ha ha you do the maths, I'll just get the beers in and agree with your sums "As long as they're not import beers... right? | |||
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU).. I don't think your alone and I think it's a valid point.... However why use words like infestation?. It's not very helpful and leads to the wrong type of thinking Or confirm with his words what some of us already suspect from *some*. thank you for saying what i finally thinking...... you would not have used that word by accident.... its calculated, deliberate and downright nasty! it actually makes me more angry..... but at least the OP can drop the pretense now...... ooooh.... and for your friend who agreed with you......
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"May all become academic now, anyway, Depends if Csmeron actually invokes Article 50 next week ( either formally or verbally. If he doesn't, and leaves it to Boris to do when he becomes PM, it's very possible that it will never be invoked. Boris's bluff has been called; will he be man enough to slap Article 50 on the table? Possibly not; he certainly doesn't want to. " It has to be invoked, the British public has spoken. Unlike some nations we're not used to being submissive  | |||
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"Did you imagine we could just walk away?" More run tbh | |||
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"May all become academic now, anyway, Depends if Csmeron actually invokes Article 50 next week ( either formally or verbally. If he doesn't, and leaves it to Boris to do when he becomes PM, it's very possible that it will never be invoked. Boris's bluff has been called; will he be man enough to slap Article 50 on the table? Possibly not; he certainly doesn't want to. It has to be invoked, the British public has spoken. Unlike some nations we're not used to being submissive "It doesn't have to actually. | |||
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"The real, crying shame about this is that the people who will now suffer most and pick up the real crappy end of a very nasty stick will be the same as those who picked up the bill for the banker's crash - the poor, the dispossessed, the disenfranchised, the very people who voted in droves for this! The vote was driven by very understandable fury at the 1%, but the people who won, Farage, Gove, Johnson, the near genius Duncan-Smith are members of the nastier portion of that 1%. Don't expect things to get any fairer in THIS brave new world..." do you not understand that our economy now has the chance to increase its GDP by 10% that wasn't possible in the stagnant EU? There is no basis for your statement | |||
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"The real, crying shame about this is that the people who will now suffer most and pick up the real crappy end of a very nasty stick will be the same as those who picked up the bill for the banker's crash - the poor, the dispossessed, the disenfranchised, the very people who voted in droves for this! The vote was driven by very understandable fury at the 1%, but the people who won, Farage, Gove, Johnson, the near genius Duncan-Smith are members of the nastier portion of that 1%. Don't expect things to get any fairer in THIS brave new world...do you not understand that our economy now has the chance to increase its GDP by 10% that wasn't possible in the stagnant EU? There is no basis for your statement " disagree Colgate, the person you responded to is spot on with that appraisal and if you think that whomever in power will look to pump significant amounts of funding into some of the area's far from the leafy suburbs of their core vote heartlands then you may want to look at why some of these area's attracted said funding from the EU.. they will like many area's of the old industrialised area's be whilst not deprived of funding not at the top of the list.. those area's can be left for the opposition of Labour, UKIP and the Libs to fight for as they are not where the votes lie for 2020 and 2025.. | |||
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"The real, crying shame about this is that the people who will now suffer most and pick up the real crappy end of a very nasty stick will be the same as those who picked up the bill for the banker's crash - the poor, the dispossessed, the disenfranchised, the very people who voted in droves for this! The vote was driven by very understandable fury at the 1%, but the people who won, Farage, Gove, Johnson, the near genius Duncan-Smith are members of the nastier portion of that 1%. Don't expect things to get any fairer in THIS brave new world...do you not understand that our economy now has the chance to increase its GDP by 10% that wasn't possible in the stagnant EU? There is no basis for your statement disagree Colgate, the person you responded to is spot on with that appraisal and if you think that whomever in power will look to pump significant amounts of funding into some of the area's far from the leafy suburbs of their core vote heartlands then you may want to look at why some of these area's attracted said funding from the EU.. they will like many area's of the old industrialised area's be whilst not deprived of funding not at the top of the list.. those area's can be left for the opposition of Labour, UKIP and the Libs to fight for as they are not where the votes lie for 2020 and 2025.. " you are ignoring the figures, three countries including Germany have already stated they want trade deals. Boing have already stated that the UK will be their European base. You are falling into the scaremongering tactics emanating from the Westminster bubble. Look at the figures, as someone else has already said, follow the money. | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed." This is news to you? | |||
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"The real, crying shame about this is that the people who will now suffer most and pick up the real crappy end of a very nasty stick will be the same as those who picked up the bill for the banker's crash - the poor, the dispossessed, the disenfranchised, the very people who voted in droves for this! The vote was driven by very understandable fury at the 1%, but the people who won, Farage, Gove, Johnson, the near genius Duncan-Smith are members of the nastier portion of that 1%. Don't expect things to get any fairer in THIS brave new world...do you not understand that our economy now has the chance to increase its GDP by 10% that wasn't possible in the stagnant EU? There is no basis for your statement disagree Colgate, the person you responded to is spot on with that appraisal and if you think that whomever in power will look to pump significant amounts of funding into some of the area's far from the leafy suburbs of their core vote heartlands then you may want to look at why some of these area's attracted said funding from the EU.. they will like many area's of the old industrialised area's be whilst not deprived of funding not at the top of the list.. those area's can be left for the opposition of Labour, UKIP and the Libs to fight for as they are not where the votes lie for 2020 and 2025.. you are ignoring the figures, three countries including Germany have already stated they want trade deals. Boing have already stated that the UK will be their European base. You are falling into the scaremongering tactics emanating from the Westminster bubble. Look at the figures, as someone else has already said, follow the money. " Im not ignoring them, what i would say is when we are at the point where they are real and in the coffers then i still dont believe that the area's etc and what i said will differ.. i would be happy to be proven wrong.. Cornwall was receiving a large amount per annum from the EU and now after the deal is signed it wont be.. politicians tend to look after their own, Labour did it with boundary changes and Osborne did it with tax changes.. the scaremongering issue is not relevant now the deal is done, what we dont yet know is the actual reality and i stand by what i think that those area's will be poorer.. lets be honest no one knows, it would be great if we had a 5% in GDP post the article 50, saying follow the money when its a forecast seems a little premature no matter who forecasts it.. i will happily say on here and to others that with hindsight we should have left years ago on that specific point.. | |||
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"Brussels demanded that Britain should exit the EU quickly, because any delay would unnecessarily prolong uncertainty. Scotland should declare their Indepence immediately and remain in the EU. Who wants to remain in the EU, should move to Scotland. House prices will go up in Scotland. "they can't they are skint, and if they were to be accepted which Spain has already said they will veto in any case the ECB will have to give them a large amount of money to fill the hole left in their economy.. | |||
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"The real, crying shame about this is that the people who will now suffer most and pick up the real crappy end of a very nasty stick will be the same as those who picked up the bill for the banker's crash - the poor, the dispossessed, the disenfranchised, the very people who voted in droves for this! The vote was driven by very understandable fury at the 1%, but the people who won, Farage, Gove, Johnson, the near genius Duncan-Smith are members of the nastier portion of that 1%. Don't expect things to get any fairer in THIS brave new world..." Sadly, this is what I think too. The Tories have ignored anything outside the south east really, cut local services to the weakest and most vulnerable amongst us, yet people honestly believe they will make a Paul on the road to Damascus change and invest in their futures. I wouldn't hold out much hope. | |||
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"This popped up on Facebook yesterday from someone who is also an economist. He shared it with another friend of mine. This is worth a discussion. __________________________________________ From the guardians comments section: If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost. Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron. With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership. How? Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor. And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew. The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction. The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50? Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders? Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated. If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act. The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice. When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take. All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign." definitely an eye opener thank you for sharing it | |||
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"FFS, minimum of 2 years before we can actually officially leave the, EU. Before the (i's) are dotted and the (t's) are crossed. well... offically 2 years from the point where you actually envoke article 50 of which the leavers are in no rush to suddenly do..... or.... you could repeal the EU/EC communities act and basically just break it dead.... in which case all EU agreements would be null and void... and WTO tarriffs would just start tomorrow...." What a rarity someone who actually understands that we are not in a playground saying "it's my ball" well said and as to why the eu want to deal with it quickly 2 reasons to show all euroscrptics in other countries that we will be dealt with very harshly! Also as uncertainty is the worst thing for their economies! No one knows what's to happen next least of all everyone who voted this way as evidenced by this thread | |||
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"This popped up on Facebook yesterday from someone who is also an economist. He shared it with another friend of mine. This is worth a discussion. __________________________________________ From the guardians comments section: If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost. Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron. With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership. How? Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor. And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew. The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction. The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50? Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders? Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated. If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act. The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice. When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take. All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.definitely an eye opener thank you for sharing it "ditto.. interesting perspective.. | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? I'm guessing it's because uncertainty leads to fiscal instability! I've not looked at the currency and stock markets today - but yesterday the eurozone fared even worse than we did! One of the strongest countries in the EU has opted to leave - and others are muttering about following suit! It's a hugely uncertain time and only when it's 'done and dusted' will the markets recover. My thoughts anyway - but then again I'm not that bright!
Ours stock market didn't end up as bad as it started. Reading some articles today, it might drop further over next few days but long term it will recover. Doesn't leaving give the financiers chance to go into other markets they couldn't before. I'm sure I read that too. Some will make money out of the current market uncertainty. " | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? I'm guessing it's because uncertainty leads to fiscal instability! I've not looked at the currency and stock markets today - but yesterday the eurozone fared even worse than we did! One of the strongest countries in the EU has opted to leave - and others are muttering about following suit! It's a hugely uncertain time and only when it's 'done and dusted' will the markets recover. My thoughts anyway - but then again I'm not that bright!
Ours stock market didn't end up as bad as it started. Reading some articles today, it might drop further over next few days but long term it will recover. Doesn't leaving give the financiers chance to go into other markets they couldn't before. I'm sure I read that too. Some will make money out of the current market uncertainty. "Think of it this way! Our pensions are linked to the stock market so in real terms everyone who has or will one day have a pension can see it dissolve before your eyes! | |||
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"This popped up on Facebook yesterday from someone who is also an economist. He shared it with another friend of mine. This is worth a discussion. __________________________________________ From the guardians comments section: If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost. Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron. With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership. How? Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor. And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew. The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction. The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50? Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders? Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated. If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act. The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice. When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take. All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.definitely an eye opener thank you for sharing it " | |||
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"Don't worry that's only 1.2 million more immigrants in before we leave
Yeah it's a bummer, coming over here working in our hospitals, on our farms and paying taxes"your not still going on with that are you? If they gave the skills needed they can work here ffs.. | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? I'm guessing it's because uncertainty leads to fiscal instability! I've not looked at the currency and stock markets today - but yesterday the eurozone fared even worse than we did! One of the strongest countries in the EU has opted to leave - and others are muttering about following suit! It's a hugely uncertain time and only when it's 'done and dusted' will the markets recover. My thoughts anyway - but then again I'm not that bright!
Ours stock market didn't end up as bad as it started. Reading some articles today, it might drop further over next few days but long term it will recover. Doesn't leaving give the financiers chance to go into other markets they couldn't before. I'm sure I read that too. Some will make money out of the current market uncertainty.
Think of it this way! Our pensions are linked to the stock market so in real terms everyone who has or will one day have a pension can see it dissolve before your eyes!"after reading the article above will there be any pension funds left to draw ? | |||
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"I am not ashamed to admit this. The 2 main reasons why I voted to "leave" was because of the infestation of immigrants coming into the, United. Kingdom. Which frankly is getting out of hand and secondly because of my patronism of the country I love. Which is the, United. Kingdom. not Europe. or the (EU).. I don't think your alone and I think it's a valid point.... However why use words like infestation?. It's not very helpful and leads to the wrong type of thinking" Because that's the sort of language a lot of people use who supported BREXIT. I know you don't but you need to look around at some of the people you've got on your side and ask yourself if you really want to be on the same side as them in any argument. | |||
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"Don't worry that's only 1.2 million more immigrants in before we leave
Yeah it's a bummer, coming over here working in our hospitals, on our farms and paying taxes your not still going on with that are you? If they gave the skills needed they can work here ffs.. "*have but if you read the right wing tory shite thats your business.. Austerity from the tory bastards are to blame | |||
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"This popped up on Facebook yesterday from someone who is also an economist. He shared it with another friend of mine. This is worth a discussion. __________________________________________ From the guardians comments section: If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost. Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron. With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership. How? Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor. And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew. The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction. The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50? Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders? Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated. If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act. The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice. When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take. All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign." How can you honestly take the Guardian seriously? Even further up the arse of the Westminster bubble | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? I'm guessing it's because uncertainty leads to fiscal instability! I've not looked at the currency and stock markets today - but yesterday the eurozone fared even worse than we did! One of the strongest countries in the EU has opted to leave - and others are muttering about following suit! It's a hugely uncertain time and only when it's 'done and dusted' will the markets recover. My thoughts anyway - but then again I'm not that bright!
Ours stock market didn't end up as bad as it started. Reading some articles today, it might drop further over next few days but long term it will recover. Doesn't leaving give the financiers chance to go into other markets they couldn't before. I'm sure I read that too. Some will make money out of the current market uncertainty.
Think of it this way! Our pensions are linked to the stock market so in real terms everyone who has or will one day have a pension can see it dissolve before your eyes!"Little more than 5 years ago FTSe was half the level it is today. 10 years ago it was about the same level as today. Markets go up and down. The FTSE is predominantly made up of global companies that rely very little on the UK. | |||
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" I have the right to my opinion. I live in a free country and, oh, by the way. An a (EU) free country now.
and so do i... and we have to make this work....
and because its a free country, i can say I thing you are an arse for using the word "infestation" to describe people who come here and for the most part do their jobs and pay their taxes as a higher percentage... than the local population.......
as someone said about the nhs....you are way more likely to be treated by someone from the EU, than be in a hospital bed next to someone from the EU.....
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"It took Greenland (The only other country to leave the EU) 5 yrs to settle all negotiations and complete leaving the EU.oh and we were told the UK was the first country to leave the EU ??" Greenland isn't actually a country. It's an independently governed part of Denmark. A bit like the Channel Islands here (which also are not part of the EU) | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? I'm guessing it's because uncertainty leads to fiscal instability! I've not looked at the currency and stock markets today - but yesterday the eurozone fared even worse than we did! One of the strongest countries in the EU has opted to leave - and others are muttering about following suit! It's a hugely uncertain time and only when it's 'done and dusted' will the markets recover. My thoughts anyway - but then again I'm not that bright!
True of course but it's still true that our pensions are linked to the long term performance of markets! What was predicted was a shock and that's happened! The question is whether it's reasonably short term? If it is long term (as predicted) then we all suffer! We will see soon enough!
Ours stock market didn't end up as bad as it started. Reading some articles today, it might drop further over next few days but long term it will recover. Doesn't leaving give the financiers chance to go into other markets they couldn't before. I'm sure I read that too. Some will make money out of the current market uncertainty.
Think of it this way! Our pensions are linked to the stock market so in real terms everyone who has or will one day have a pension can see it dissolve before your eyes!
Little more than 5 years ago FTSe was half the level it is today. 10 years ago it was about the same level as today. Markets go up and down. The FTSE is predominantly made up of global companies that rely very little on the UK." | |||
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"4 other countries want to follow us France is asking for vote" Actually no......lePenn has said will seek one IF elected as President......current government won't because they are shit scared the population will follow UK. | |||
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"I don't understand why the EU want a quicker finish???? They want us out faster than we do. Forgive my naivety because politics isn't my strong area. However I stil don't understand why the EU is pushing to get us out so quickly? Why do they want us out fast? I actually thought they wanted us to stay in. Loads of reasons but if I was in Europe I wouldn't want a country who didn't want us. The old saying you can't have your cake and eat it applies here." | |||
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"In not activating A50 Cameron has pushed the blame for the extraction of the Uk from EU purely into the new Tory leaders hands. Hence why Boris looked less than happy at his press conference on Friday. Who wants the poisonous chalice that leaving the EU would bring. The mountain of legislation which needs re-writing, trying to find cash to support the farmers who had been receiving subsidies, sorting out the fishing boundaries, unifying the country, economic recession, the Scottish leaving the union..not such a jolly barrel of laughs now is it?"
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"I wish they'd get on with it. If out is out then get the fuck out so we can all move on. " Get out ? Move on ? Two years now to be spent making agreements to stay in ! Usually moving on would suggest aiming for union solidarity communication joined up thinking collaboration , barriers falling , moving on from being single , from being selfish , from being unable to debate and compromise, growing the business , expanding , sharing All these I'd see as moving on 2 years of agreeing to what has already been agreed Two years of needless money wasting stupidity | |||
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"I wish they'd get on with it. If out is out then get the fuck out so we can all move on. Get out ? Move on ? Two years now to be spent making agreements to stay in ! Usually moving on would suggest aiming for union solidarity communication joined up thinking collaboration , barriers falling , moving on from being single , from being selfish , from being unable to debate and compromise, growing the business , expanding , sharing All these I'd see as moving on 2 years of agreeing to what has already been agreed Two years of needless money wasting stupidity "\ It CAN take up to 2 years, but doesn't have to. | |||
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"I wish they'd get on with it. If out is out then get the fuck out so we can all move on. Get out ? Move on ? Two years now to be spent making agreements to stay in ! Usually moving on would suggest aiming for union solidarity communication joined up thinking collaboration , barriers falling , moving on from being single , from being selfish , from being unable to debate and compromise, growing the business , expanding , sharing All these I'd see as moving on 2 years of agreeing to what has already been agreed Two years of needless money wasting stupidity \
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"I wish they'd get on with it. If out is out then get the fuck out so we can all move on. Get out ? Move on ? Two years now to be spent making agreements to stay in ! Usually moving on would suggest aiming for union solidarity communication joined up thinking collaboration , barriers falling , moving on from being single , from being selfish , from being unable to debate and compromise, growing the business , expanding , sharing All these I'd see as moving on 2 years of agreeing to what has already been agreed Two years of needless money wasting stupidity \
It CAN take up to 2 years, but doesn't have to. it can take longer if necessary "Why would we need it to take longer? Out is out. We've been told we don't need the EU so let's be on our way. | |||
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" Now lets all pull together and stop the political arguements " Why would I 'pull together' with people who fundamentally disagree with things that are core to my personhood? | |||
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"We won fair and sqaure, no matter who thinks it right or wrong, we are out! Now the nation needs to pull together and make it work instead of bickering and saying things like "uneducated, racists" if the government had listened to peoples concerns like my area where i live, i for one would of voted to remain, it left people with no other choice, it was the only way for us to be heard. Look up #frexit, #swexit etc.. the other nations are now going crazy for their own referendum! Eu should be worried more than us tbh Now lets all pull together and stop the political arguements " it would be great to jopin together and get behind the govt if the govt had a plan but unfortunatley they dont have one niether do the Brexiters as they didnt think they would win and now they are stuffed Cameron has done a fantastic job of stymiying things from moving forward hence us bumbling along with a power vacuum for the nest three months | |||
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"I wish they'd get on with it. If out is out then get the fuck out so we can all move on. Get out ? Move on ? Two years now to be spent making agreements to stay in ! Usually moving on would suggest aiming for union solidarity communication joined up thinking collaboration , barriers falling , moving on from being single , from being selfish , from being unable to debate and compromise, growing the business , expanding , sharing All these I'd see as moving on 2 years of agreeing to what has already been agreed Two years of needless money wasting stupidity \
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"We won fair and sqaure, no matter who thinks it right or wrong, we are out! Now the nation needs to pull together and make it work instead of bickering and saying things like "uneducated, racists" if the government had listened to peoples concerns like my area where i live, i for one would of voted to remain, it left people with no other choice, it was the only way for us to be heard. Look up #frexit, #swexit etc.. the other nations are now going crazy for their own referendum! Eu should be worried more than us tbh Now lets all pull together and stop the political arguements " There was no winning when the UK voted out I will just smile wryly at anyone from the out side suggesting we should work it out together The suggestion that blindly jumping knowing the world will descend into chaos is a solution is as about as rational as a suicide bomber blowing things up to get attention for their cause Of course the EU needs the UK no one doubts this but blowing the place apart when the UK needs their prosperity to help its own is beyond my understanding For the UK to thrive it needs a healthy global economy the more countries in the world who want stuff due to stability the more custom UK plc will have So smashing the EU countries will mean China gets worried, India catches a cold, Africa becomes even less of a priority Economies of scale mean less stuff bought less stuff made , means higher cost per item I'd suggest whist other big players are fucking around with oil , breaking away from stability is close to lunacy | |||
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"In not activating A50 Cameron has pushed the blame for the extraction of the Uk from EU purely into the new Tory leaders hands. Hence why Boris looked less than happy at his press conference on Friday. Who wants the poisonous chalice that leaving the EU would bring. The mountain of legislation which needs re-writing, trying to find cash to support the farmers who had been receiving subsidies, sorting out the fishing boundaries, unifying the country, economic recession, the Scottish leaving the union..not such a jolly barrel of laughs now is it?" Can't see his problem, he got what he wanted! | |||
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"Article 50 is a half in half out policy the same as Norway, it wont be put into place yet until we are in deep shit. A lot of the major banks are shifting to Europe to try and survive, Greece has already stopped taking UK credit cards because of the unstable pound & other countries will follow. If we wait a few weeks & see the damage that has been done we will (fingers crossed) ask for another referendum & hopefully those the didn't understand the consequences will then see the damage their vote to leave has done " No it isnt article 50 is the process for leaving. It's the handing in your confirmation your leaving and your 2 year notice period. Absolutly nothing like norway | |||
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"Article 50 is a half in half out policy the same as Norway, it wont be put into place yet until we are in deep shit. A lot of the major banks are shifting to Europe to try and survive, Greece has already stopped taking UK credit cards because of the unstable pound & other countries will follow. If we wait a few weeks & see the damage that has been done we will (fingers crossed) ask for another referendum & hopefully those the didn't understand the consequences will then see the damage their vote to leave has done " .. Which bank dropped the most value on Friday... rbs, Barclays or Deutsch bank?? Deutsch is insolvent on a mark to mark basis and about an inch away from collapse.... That's why there panicking from the instability the EU referendum is causing!. Greece stopped taking credit cards years ago, it's got nothing to do with brexit and everything to do with having no monetary control of a currency they use | |||
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