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"Hey we will stand alone and still kick ass just like the British people on hole have always done now all we need is Scotland to go and will be even better " Kiss ass to the USA more like  | |||
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"The people have spoken and chosen,what will be will be but it will be better for my grandkids even if it's going to be shite for a few years" did you sit and ask your grandchildren what they wantes? Ive got one and one on the way, whatever happens they wont know any different same as i dont remember before the eu. | |||
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"Hey we will stand alone and still kick ass just like the British people on hole have always done now all we need is Scotland to go and will be even better Kiss ass to the USA more like "Still preferable to the Germans. | |||
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"There was a number of reasons to vote in or out - at the end of the day it was a collective of those that led us to the outcome. I cant imagine anyone likes to think they were fooled let alone admit to it. This applies to both camps. My personal reason for wanting to leave is first hand experience of what we have had to endure over my 44 years on this planet. I simply want a radical change while retaining democracy. I grew up quite liking the Jams coin of phrase, the people gets what the people wants. No doubt someone will tell me that was the who but then that's not the first time I've been fooled..." Yes it was The Jam, but they said 'And the public gets what the public wants.' Another Brexit win! | |||
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"Hey we will stand alone and still kick ass just like the British people on hole have always done now all we need is Scotland to go and will be even better Kiss ass to the USA more like
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive..." The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive..." Oops...you beat me to it. | |||
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" I do predict a civil war by the end of next week if this all carries on" to be honest i was half expecting a violent reaction "somewhere" across the uk tonight... so i am glad that hasn't happened.... the gloating need to stop... the humility needs to beginning... at the moment the leavers don't need to be talking to be talking to the 52%... they need to be trying to reassure the 48% they have a plan.... the sooner they do that... the more chance of everyone getting on board... because for better or worse now, we are truely all in this together.... | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever." I disagree the entire Brexit vote was naive. I never wanted the vote & think it was utter madness that the public was in charge of the most life changing decision in our lifetime. So I say to you as I say to others, you can be pissed at the Brexiters but you should be even more pissed at the government and the ones before that put us in position in the 1st place. | |||
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"There was a number of reasons to vote in or out - at the end of the day it was a collective of those that led us to the outcome. I cant imagine anyone likes to think they were fooled let alone admit to it. This applies to both camps. My personal reason for wanting to leave is first hand experience of what we have had to endure over my 44 years on this planet. I simply want a radical change while retaining democracy. I grew up quite liking the Jams coin of phrase, the people gets what the people wants. No doubt someone will tell me that was the who but then that's not the first time I've been fooled... Yes it was The Jam, but they said 'And the public gets what the public wants.' Another Brexit win! "Lol nice one
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"Did I ask my 3 and 4 year olds what they thought about us leaving theEU...no I didn't but I will ask them tomorrow and let you know their answer" I asked my 10 year old & she said 'we might be attacked by terrorists now"
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. I disagree the entire Brexit vote was naive. I never wanted the vote & think it was utter madness that the public was in charge of the most life changing decision in our lifetime. So I say to you as I say to others, you can be pissed at the Brexiters but you should be even more pissed at the government and the ones before that put us in position in the 1st place." You're right, the entire vote wasn't naive. Some of it was based on jingoism, some of it was based on racism, some of it was based on disaffection with politics and some of it was based on blaming the EU for problems caused by our own government. None of it was based on sense. | |||
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"Did I ask my 3 and 4 year olds what they thought about us leaving theEU...no I didn't but I will ask them tomorrow and let you know their answer I asked my 10 year old & she said 'we might be attacked by terrorists now"
My teenage son was like "Whatevs"!"I sort of get the feeling we're less of a target now given we have shown to the world we don't feel as close to France and Belgium who for whatever reason have lately bore the brunt of such attacks. Today we mostly seemed locked into secure areas in our workplace. Something I recall we never needed back when the troubles across the Irish sea were evident on the mainland and our membership was as part of an EEC, not an EU. | |||
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"I just thought it was a daft question of diamonds to ask my grandkids,but hey ho ( "why was it daft? You said bettee for your grandchildren There may not even be a planet by the time they grow up. Ao dont tell me it waa daft someone else answered it | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. I disagree the entire Brexit vote was naive. I never wanted the vote & think it was utter madness that the public was in charge of the most life changing decision in our lifetime. So I say to you as I say to others, you can be pissed at the Brexiters but you should be even more pissed at the government and the ones before that put us in position in the 1st place. You're right, the entire vote wasn't naive. Some of it was based on jingoism, some of it was based on racism, some of it was based on disaffection with politics and some of it was based on blaming the EU for problems caused by our own government. None of it was based on sense." Oh dear , once again , just as you did when the general election didn't go your way , you question the motives of those who don't agree with your _iews ! If you choose to live in a democratic country , then this is what happens . Deal with it in a dignified way , and quit whinging and suggesting those of us who voted out have no sense . | |||
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"Hey we will stand alone and still kick ass just like the British people on hole have always done now all we need is Scotland to go and will be even better " Some people really don't know their history. Its the Irish, Scots and Welch (alphabetical order) have done the arse kicking in the wars the English picked in the name of Great Briton. | |||
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"to be honest i was half expecting a violent reaction "somewhere" across the uk tonight... so i am glad that hasn't happened.... the gloating need to stop... the humility needs to beginning... at the moment the leavers don't need to be talking to be talking to the 52%... they need to be trying to reassure the 48% they have a plan.... the sooner they do that... the more chance of everyone getting on board... because for better or worse now, we are truely all in this together...." But its not 52% of the people is it Fabio. Its 52% of those that voted. Or 38.63% of the 44 million registered to vote. As I cant find a figure for those British citizens not on the electoral roll I cant give the genuine figure but it would not surprise me to find it is round the 33/34% mark. To my mind an electoral system that allows an absolute minority to dictate constitutional change is deeply flawed and needs changing. | |||
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"to be honest i was half expecting a violent reaction "somewhere" across the uk tonight... so i am glad that hasn't happened.... the gloating need to stop... the humility needs to beginning... at the moment the leavers don't need to be talking to be talking to the 52%... they need to be trying to reassure the 48% they have a plan.... the sooner they do that... the more chance of everyone getting on board... because for better or worse now, we are truely all in this together.... But its not 52% of the people is it Fabio. Its 52% of those that voted. Or 38.63% of the 44 million registered to vote. As I cant find a figure for those British citizens not on the electoral roll I cant give the genuine figure but it would not surprise me to find it is round the 33/34% mark. To my mind an electoral system that allows an absolute minority to dictate constitutional change is deeply flawed and needs changing. " I look at it like this. The people who cared voted. If you didn't care to vote you deserve all that you get. | |||
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"to be honest i was half expecting a violent reaction "somewhere" across the uk tonight... so i am glad that hasn't happened.... the gloating need to stop... the humility needs to beginning... at the moment the leavers don't need to be talking to be talking to the 52%... they need to be trying to reassure the 48% they have a plan.... the sooner they do that... the more chance of everyone getting on board... because for better or worse now, we are truely all in this together.... But its not 52% of the people is it Fabio. Its 52% of those that voted. Or 38.63% of the 44 million registered to vote. As I cant find a figure for those British citizens not on the electoral roll I cant give the genuine figure but it would not surprise me to find it is round the 33/34% mark. To my mind an electoral system that allows an absolute minority to dictate constitutional change is deeply flawed and needs changing. I look at it like this. The people who cared voted. If you didn't care to vote you deserve all that you get. " | |||
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"The funny thing is that as soon as article 50 is triggered not only are we out of the EU but when we realise we want back in we will have lost our opt outs and have to join the Euro as a condition of rejoining the club." Who's to say we'll want back in . It may just work you know. | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever." Democracy is always a wee bit shit,when you lose. Find something better,or accept the result.   | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. Democracy is always a wee bit shit,when you lose. Find something better,or accept the result. "I've always accepted the result.. I was one that voted leave. The immigration thing that's linked with wanting to leave had no effect to why I decided to leave. I looked at the pros n cons of each option, and just decided that leave was the right thing to do. Reasons why I believe leaving will be: Better economy in the long run Control our own security Better trade deals More jobs eventually, EU killed off our fishing industry Have our own laws Not run by unelected MPs that dont know a thing about our country When we joined the EU/EEC, it was for free trade and free movement, and that ONLY... | |||
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"The funny thing is that as soon as article 50 is triggered not only are we out of the EU but when we realise we want back in we will have lost our opt outs and have to join the Euro as a condition of rejoining the club." I'll go out on a limb and say this time next year article 50 still won't have been triggered | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever." LOL So many spineless idiots Those Brits with a spine will lead the UK out of this. UK has the fifth largest economy in the world second in Europe. Brits built this and Brits will survive this. The economy does not stop in eu there is a whole world out there. The UK will survive and thrive | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. I disagree the entire Brexit vote was naive. I never wanted the vote & think it was utter madness that the public was in charge of the most life changing decision in our lifetime. So I say to you as I say to others, you can be pissed at the Brexiters but you should be even more pissed at the government and the ones before that put us in position in the 1st place. You're right, the entire vote wasn't naive. Some of it was based on jingoism, some of it was based on racism, some of it was based on disaffection with politics and some of it was based on blaming the EU for problems caused by our own government. None of it was based on sense. Oh dear , once again , just as you did when the general election didn't go your way , you question the motives of those who don't agree with your _iews ! If you choose to live in a democratic country , then this is what happens . Deal with it in a dignified way , and quit whinging and suggesting those of us who voted out have no sense . " | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. LOL So many spineless idiots Those Brits with a spine will lead the UK out of this. UK has the fifth largest economy in the world second in Europe. Brits built this and Brits will survive this. The economy does not stop in eu there is a whole world out there. The UK will survive and thrive" I truly hope it does for the sake of the young generation. But who exactly will lead us? That's what scares the hell out of me. I was a remain supporter and still dont get why we left 24 hours on. We need strong leadership now more than ever, but who do you trust to do that, honestly? Who has the dynamism the drive, the political skill the determination and enthusiasm. To heal these wounds and take us forward? Johnson? Who we know only span it for his political need and want. Give, one of the most unpopular MPs ever who systematically dis mantled the education system, Farage...? I'm ok with moving us forward for the sake of our children, but under whose stewardship are we going to do this? | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. I disagree the entire Brexit vote was naive. I never wanted the vote & think it was utter madness that the public was in charge of the most life changing decision in our lifetime. So I say to you as I say to others, you can be pissed at the Brexiters but you should be even more pissed at the government and the ones before that put us in position in the 1st place. You're right, the entire vote wasn't naive. Some of it was based on jingoism, some of it was based on racism, some of it was based on disaffection with politics and some of it was based on blaming the EU for problems caused by our own government. None of it was based on sense. Oh dear , once again , just as you did when the general election didn't go your way , you question the motives of those who don't agree with your _iews ! If you choose to live in a democratic country , then this is what happens . Deal with it in a dignified way , and quit whinging and suggesting those of us who voted out have no sense . " | |||
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"Sighs... No wonder Britain and most of Europe goes nowhere.. In a democratic system a majority gains the benefit of the doubt to pass a decision. The losing accepts this decision if wrong or right until the next situation arises. This "Kindergarten" of "I was right you were wrong" that is happening now under help of the BBC and Co. is a) not aiding anyone b) creating a divided society and c) will no change anything Britain has voted the majority has rule that the United Kingdom should leave the EU. So what next - The world is still turning (Therefore Galilieo Galilei was right and not the Vatican), wars are still continuing, famines are here and happening and ? In 4 weeks time the stock markets will have another "scrap goat" to blame, employers will find another legal loophole to "sack" some one and so on... The only way forward for ALL and that is for the majority and the losers is to stop throwing their dummies overboard and to get on with it.... Build a better future with what we have and not what we could have or maybe or possibly have... " I agree that the country has to move forward, but to be fair its only 24 hours since the biggest two fingers has been stuck up to the political system, and also to each other. So it is still raw and close to home. People are worried scared and feeling uncertain. | |||
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"Unlucky. Looks like senior Leave campaign Daniel Hannan is now admitting that was just so much hot air: https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/746466834610692096 Take back control, eh? Well done, everyone! "OP If that is truly what you think this referendum was about you clearly have no idea of what was all at stake but somehow I suspect you started this thread more to get attention and try and put down leave voters. This was a democratic vote where everyone had their chance to vote and like it or not, the Leave Campaign won by a huge overwhelming majority which was the voice of Britain. | |||
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"Unlucky. Looks like senior Leave campaign Daniel Hannan is now admitting that was just so much hot air: https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/746466834610692096 Take back control, eh? Well done, everyone!
OP If that is truly what you think this referendum was about you clearly have no idea of what was all at stake
but somehow I suspect you started this thread more to get attention and try and put down leave voters.
This was a democratic vote where everyone had their chance to vote and like it or not, the Leave Campaign won by a huge overwhelming majority which was the voice of Britain.
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" This was a democratic vote where everyone had their chance to vote and like it or not, the Leave Campaign won by a huge overwhelming majority which was the voice of Britain. " Well to be accurate, the voice of 37% of those eligible to vote.... Or 27% of the total population ..... | |||
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" This was a democratic vote where everyone had their chance to vote and like it or not, the Leave Campaign won by a huge overwhelming majority which was the voice of Britain. Well to be accurate, the voice of 37% of those eligible to vote.... Or 27% of the total population ..... "Pssst; you do know the referendum was open to all who were eligible to vote, if people could not be arsed then that is their problem the fact is the Leave campaign won by a huge majority . so accept & get over it | |||
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" the fact is the Leave campaign won by a huge majority " 4%.... Hope you aren't a maths teacher... | |||
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"Sighs... No wonder Britain and most of Europe goes nowhere.. In a democratic system a majority gains the benefit of the doubt to pass a decision. The losing accepts this decision if wrong or right until the next situation arises. This "Kindergarten" of "I was right you were wrong" that is happening now under help of the BBC and Co. is a) not aiding anyone b) creating a divided society and c) will no change anything Britain has voted the majority has rule that the United Kingdom should leave the EU. So what next - The world is still turning (Therefore Galilieo Galilei was right and not the Vatican), wars are still continuing, famines are here and happening and ? In 4 weeks time the stock markets will have another "scrap goat" to blame, employers will find another legal loophole to "sack" some one and so on... The only way forward for ALL and that is for the majority and the losers is to stop throwing their dummies overboard and to get on with it.... Build a better future with what we have and not what we could have or maybe or possibly have... " | |||
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"Sighs... No wonder Britain and most of Europe goes nowhere.. In a democratic system a majority gains the benefit of the doubt to pass a decision. The losing accepts this decision if wrong or right until the next situation arises. This "Kindergarten" of "I was right you were wrong" that is happening now under help of the BBC and Co. is a) not aiding anyone b) creating a divided society and c) will no change anything Britain has voted the majority has rule that the United Kingdom should leave the EU. So what next - The world is still turning (Therefore Galilieo Galilei was right and not the Vatican), wars are still continuing, famines are here and happening and ? In 4 weeks time the stock markets will have another "scrap goat" to blame, employers will find another legal loophole to "sack" some one and so on... The only way forward for ALL and that is for the majority and the losers is to stop throwing their dummies overboard and to get on with it.... Build a better future with what we have and not what we could have or maybe or possibly have... I agree that the country has to move forward, but to be fair its only 24 hours since the biggest two fingers has been stuck up to the political system, and also to each other. So it is still raw and close to home. People are worried scared and feeling uncertain. " Incidentally, Cheltenham's votes are being recounted | |||
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"Hey we will stand alone and still kick ass just like the British people on hole have always done now all we need is Scotland to go and will be even better " Scotland will have gone for another one as soon as they had a chance if winning it. That has been the SNP plane all along, even now as she has said it's on the table right now. But they will sit back and wait ti see what happens first to see which way this goes before actually doing it. Because to join the EU on thier own they are going to have to adopt the Euro. | |||
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" the fact is the Leave campaign won by a huge majority 4%.... Hope you aren't a maths teacher..." To be fair, if there's one thing Leavers can be accused of (apart from cowardice, ignorance, racism, and leaving the rest of us to get this country out of the shit after being led by the noses to vote on an issue they don't understand by political opportunists with no interest in anything but their own careers), it's that they just aren't very good with the numbers. Well done too on saving us all £350M a week! Of course, it only took our businesses losing £55Bn in a single day, the BOE having to pledge £250Bn to support the pound, the world economy losing TWO TRILLION DOLLARS, and our credit rating being downgraded from stable to negative to do so. Any more hot tips? | |||
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"Sighs... No wonder Britain and most of Europe goes nowhere.. In a democratic system a majority gains the benefit of the doubt to pass a decision. The losing accepts this decision if wrong or right until the next situation arises. This "Kindergarten" of "I was right you were wrong" that is happening now under help of the BBC and Co. is a) not aiding anyone b) creating a divided society and c) will no change anything Britain has voted the majority has rule that the United Kingdom should leave the EU. So what next - The world is still turning (Therefore Galilieo Galilei was right and not the Vatican), wars are still continuing, famines are here and happening and ? In 4 weeks time the stock markets will have another "scrap goat" to blame, employers will find another legal loophole to "sack" some one and so on... The only way forward for ALL and that is for the majority and the losers is to stop throwing their dummies overboard and to get on with it.... Build a better future with what we have and not what we could have or maybe or possibly have... I agree that the country has to move forward, but to be fair its only 24 hours since the biggest two fingers has been stuck up to the political system, and also to each other. So it is still raw and close to home. People are worried scared and feeling uncertain. Incidentally, Cheltenham's votes are being recounted" are there and xtra million people in Cheltenham we don't know about?  | |||
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" Well done too on saving us all £350M a week! Of course, it only took our businesses losing £55Bn in a single day, the BOE having to pledge £250Bn to support the pound, the world economy losing TWO TRILLION DOLLARS, and our credit rating being downgraded from stable to negative to do so. Any more hot tips? "Did you vote remain ? | |||
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" the fact is the Leave campaign won by a huge majority 4%.... Hope you aren't a maths teacher... To be fair, if there's one thing Leavers can be accused of (apart from cowardice, ignorance, racism, and leaving the rest of us to get this country out of the shit after being led by the noses to vote on an issue they don't understand by political opportunists with no interest in anything but their own careers), it's that they just aren't very good with the numbers. Well done too on saving us all £350M a week! Of course, it only took our businesses losing £55Bn in a single day, the BOE having to pledge £250Bn to support the pound, the world economy losing TWO TRILLION DOLLARS, and our credit rating being downgraded from stable to negative to do so. Any more hot tips? "(apart from cowardice, ignorance, racism, and leaving the rest of us to get this country out of the shit after being led by the noses to vote on an issue they don't understand by political opportunists with no interest in anything but their own careers) quite offensive and abusive but you are entitled to your'e own opinion thats what democracy is all about. | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. I disagree the entire Brexit vote was naive. I never wanted the vote & think it was utter madness that the public was in charge of the most life changing decision in our lifetime. So I say to you as I say to others, you can be pissed at the Brexiters but you should be even more pissed at the government and the ones before that put us in position in the 1st place. You're right, the entire vote wasn't naive. Some of it was based on jingoism, some of it was based on racism, some of it was based on disaffection with politics and some of it was based on blaming the EU for problems caused by our own government. None of it was based on sense." You have got that completely right. Succinct and to the point. But it is what it is - we now have to embrace the changes ahead of us. Am not sure how I'm going to do that yet, but I'm determined to find a positive personal outcome. | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. I disagree the entire Brexit vote was naive. I never wanted the vote & think it was utter madness that the public was in charge of the most life changing decision in our lifetime. So I say to you as I say to others, you can be pissed at the Brexiters but you should be even more pissed at the government and the ones before that put us in position in the 1st place. You're right, the entire vote wasn't naive. Some of it was based on jingoism, some of it was based on racism, some of it was based on disaffection with politics and some of it was based on blaming the EU for problems caused by our own government. None of it was based on sense. You have got that completely right. Succinct and to the point. But it is what it is - we now have to embrace the changes ahead of us. Am not sure how I'm going to do that yet, but I'm determined to find a positive personal outcome." I sincerely hope you can. | |||
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"The people have spoken and chosen,what will be will be but it will be better for my grandkids even if it's going to be shite for a few years" | |||
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"The people have spoken and chosen,what will be will be but it will be better for my grandkids even if it's going to be shite for a few years "Change 'a few years' to 'a few decades', and 'better for my grandkids' to 'eventually maybe as good for my grandkids', and you're getting there. | |||
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"Here is the problem that I have with this whole mess 350 million promised, and farage goes on to say that it was a mistake, and proceeds to throw the leave campaign under the bus The other part of the battle was fought under the banner of the belief, that it would some how end immigration, its not, its just going to create a lot of paper work for those who live here already, and have no effect on illegal immigrants what so ever, and I think that's where some people have got contused migrants/illegal immigrants I'm seeing a sharp rise in Facebook memes that bear an uncomfortable resemblance to the stickers you used to see that were produced by the BNP,national front, and combat 18, and anyone who lived through those era's will tell you that its a step backwards. The use of the memories of fallen soldiers, to guilt people!e into voting out, they died so that you can vote however you wish, not so that people can push you to vote one way, and one way only, I think this was obscene The votes were cast, and the majority said out, and as a remain voter, I'll live with that, but, the attitudes of some of the leave voters, are becoming unbearable, both the leave and remain camps told lies, people followed blindly and voted as tnbey were told to vote, if we had have been given facts instead of hysteria, maybe we would have still voted out,but who knows? British politics has been badly wounded by this referendum, and time will come where no one will trust anything the political parties say, will we go back to no one bothering to vote? I don't know, but its not looking good in my opinion" Spot on. | |||
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"you spout arrant nonsense! If you don't like the democratic process then suck it up. To Suggest leave voters were naive or solely based their _iews on immigration, are the rantings of a narrow-minded lachrymose individual. Please cry quietly in the corner, but pick your toys up first." Look, I get it older people were brought up on Alf Garnett and "bless this house" http://youtu.be/B1dakp4FT0w And think this is all acceptable, where younger generation are quite horrified | |||
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"you spout arrant nonsense! If you don't like the democratic process then suck it up. To Suggest leave voters were naive or solely based their _iews on immigration, are the rantings of a narrow-minded lachrymose individual. Please cry quietly in the corner, but pick your toys up first. Look, I get it older people were brought up on Alf Garnett and "bless this house" http://youtu.be/B1dakp4FT0w And think this is all acceptable, where younger generation are quite horrified " Some of us get that those programs were mocking the stereotypes and bringing to people's attention how absurd they were. Young people have their own stereotypes they love to copy now. | |||
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"The people have spoken and chosen,what will be will be but it will be better for my grandkids even if it's going to be shite for a few years "Good to be optimistic.As you said things can only get better. | |||
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"Why is it whenever a news crew inter_iewed an older person on why they were voting leave the reply was Immigrants - insert semi racist comments about about stealing out benefits or jobs or houses All based on guff No other reason than this ? " I made a comment on another thread that I felt uneasy that *some* people voted out on the immigration issue and seem to truly believe all their ills would vanish now to be told I was wrong, that wasn't the case. | |||
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"Here is the problem that I have with this whole mess 350 million promised, and farage goes on to say that it was a mistake, and proceeds to throw the leave campaign under the bus The other part of the battle was fought under the banner of the belief, that it would some how end immigration, its not, its just going to create a lot of paper work for those who live here already, and have no effect on illegal immigrants what so ever, and I think that's where some people have got contused migrants/illegal immigrants I'm seeing a sharp rise in Facebook memes that bear an uncomfortable resemblance to the stickers you used to see that were produced by the BNP,national front, and combat 18, and anyone who lived through those era's will tell you that its a step backwards. The use of the memories of fallen soldiers, to guilt people!e into voting out, they died so that you can vote however you wish, not so that people can push you to vote one way, and one way only, I think this was obscene The votes were cast, and the majority said out, and as a remain voter, I'll live with that, but, the attitudes of some of the leave voters, are becoming unbearable, both the leave and remain camps told lies, people followed blindly and voted as tnbey were told to vote, if we had have been given facts instead of hysteria, maybe we would have still voted out,but who knows? British politics has been badly wounded by this referendum, and time will come where no one will trust anything the political parties say, will we go back to no one bothering to vote? I don't know, but its not looking good in my opinion" | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. I disagree the entire Brexit vote was naive. I never wanted the vote & think it was utter madness that the public was in charge of the most life changing decision in our lifetime. So I say to you as I say to others, you can be pissed at the Brexiters but you should be even more pissed at the government and the ones before that put us in position in the 1st place. You're right, the entire vote wasn't naive. Some of it was based on jingoism, some of it was based on racism, some of it was based on disaffection with politics and some of it was based on blaming the EU for problems caused by our own government. None of it was based on sense. Oh dear , once again , just as you did when the general election didn't go your way , you question the motives of those who don't agree with your _iews ! If you choose to live in a democratic country , then this is what happens . Deal with it in a dignified way , and quit whinging and suggesting those of us who voted out have no sense . ".. | |||
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" most are smart enough to know the borders weren't gonna slam shut ever let alone magically overnight " Most yes, but some won't be that smart, and it's the some I'm "uneasy" about. | |||
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"Immigration will always be an issue wether we were in or out, afterall it's a big issue for most counties. Why assume people boted out because of the immigration issues most are smart enough to know the borders weren't gonna slam shut ever let alone magically overnight " Why assume people voted out because of immigration? Er, because many, many such people said so? Because it was the main focus of the Leave campaign? Sure, it wasn't the only reason But let's not pretend it wasn't a huge factor. | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. I disagree the entire Brexit vote was naive. I never wanted the vote & think it was utter madness that the public was in charge of the most life changing decision in our lifetime. So I say to you as I say to others, you can be pissed at the Brexiters but you should be even more pissed at the government and the ones before that put us in position in the 1st place. You're right, the entire vote wasn't naive. Some of it was based on jingoism, some of it was based on racism, some of it was based on disaffection with politics and some of it was based on blaming the EU for problems caused by our own government. None of it was based on sense. You have got that completely right. Succinct and to the point. But it is what it is - we now have to embrace the changes ahead of us. Am not sure how I'm going to do that yet, but I'm determined to find a positive personal outcome. I sincerely hope you can." The one valid comment you've made is the one you're least focusing on. "some based on blaming the EU for problems caused by our own government." Surely the rise in the recent years of the popularity of UKIP especially in predominantly affluent areas would have been a wake up call for the government but no they chose to ignore it & this is the result...... | |||
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"Immigration will always be an issue wether we were in or out, afterall it's a big issue for most counties. Why assume people boted out because of the immigration issues most are smart enough to know the borders weren't gonna slam shut ever let alone magically overnight Why assume people voted out because of immigration? Er, because many, many such people said so? Because it was the main focus of the Leave campaign? Sure, it wasn't the only reason But let's not pretend it wasn't a huge factor. " Yes and let the remain camp just focus on that because it serves their sentiments more. | |||
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"It isn't the end. It's just the beginning - of the break up of the United Kingdom. I'm have Welsh and half English and live in Spain. I would love to live in a Scottish Republic when I have to leave Spain. Not very keen at all about taking up residence in a country run by Gove and Johnson surrounded by xenophobes " You do realise that the vote was roughly split down the middle? From chatting to people I know, who voted both ways. Many who voted out, was because they are fed up with the elitist establishment as they see it. However, BJ went to Eton too so make of that what you will. A lot of people are very anxious at the moment. It feels very uncertain as it's uncharted waters in a lot of our lifetimes. | |||
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"Half the people that voted are on the dole!!! So it won't affect them either way they will still receive there £70 or whatever they get a week.. how can people vote who don't even u know what they are voting for ??" There are only approximately 2 million jobless people in the UK. 33,551,983 people voted. | |||
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" I do predict a civil war by the end of next week if this all carries on to be honest i was half expecting a violent reaction "somewhere" across the uk tonight... so i am glad that hasn't happened.... the gloating need to stop... the humility needs to beginning... at the moment the leavers don't need to be talking to be talking to the 52%... they need to be trying to reassure the 48% they have a plan.... the sooner they do that... the more chance of everyone getting on board... because for better or worse now, we are truely all in this together...." Yep! All I've seen so far is the Brexit people sneering or gloating. They need us on board and fast, so far they're only confirming my original _iew. The majority was not a huge one and reassurance is needed by word and deed that the current turmoil is going to be short lived. | |||
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"Hey we will stand alone and still kick ass just like the British people on hole have always done now all we need is Scotland to go and will be even better " but how would England survive without all the money from Scotland paying to keep England from sinking for all these years we have been keeping you afloat, I know the English like to think you keep Scotland but it actually the other way around. Scotland has more to offer, if we Scots leave you fuel, oil & whiskey prices in England would sky rocket. You need us more than we need you bud | |||
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"Hey we will stand alone and still kick ass just like the British people on hole have always done now all we need is Scotland to go and will be even better but how would England survive without all the money from Scotland paying to keep England from sinking for all these years we have been keeping you afloat, I know the English like to think you keep Scotland but it actually the other way around. Scotland has more to offer, if we Scots leave you fuel, oil & whiskey prices in England would sky rocket. You need us more than we need you bud "Realistically the only things we would struggle with is decent whiskey. | |||
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"Why is it whenever a news crew inter_iewed an older person on why they were voting leave the reply was Immigrants - insert semi racist comments about about stealing out benefits or jobs or houses All based on guff No other reason than this ? I made a comment on another thread that I felt uneasy that *some* people voted out on the immigration issue and seem to truly believe all their ills would vanish now to be told I was wrong, that wasn't the case. " i'm not going to talk about the result because it is what it is now, and we all have to live and deal with it now... but what i find annoying is they couldn't even keep up the pretense of the lies for at least 24hrs after the vote before everything unravelled... so 350 mil for the nhs... yes yes yes drill that message home...... the following morning... ooops, well, not a promise, walk it back... solve immigration issues, we will stop all those meanies comming in.... yes yes yes, drill that message home..... the following evening... ooops, well, not a promise, walk it back people lied.... not on did they lie... they doubled down on the lie.... and people are defending people doubling down on the lies saying that issues that were huge 24hr ago were not actually that huge after all if it affected one vote... then it is huge! i am still shocked by the result... i am more annoyed by the brazen lies | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. Democracy is always a wee bit shit,when you lose. Find something better,or accept the result.
I've always accepted the result.. I was one that voted leave. The immigration thing that's linked with wanting to leave had no effect to why I decided to leave. I looked at the pros n cons of each option, and just decided that leave was the right thing to do.
Reasons why I believe leaving will be:
Better economy in the long run
Control our own security
Better trade deals
More jobs eventually, EU killed off our fishing industry
Have our own laws
Not run by unelected MPs that dont know a thing about our country
When we joined the EU/EEC, it was for free trade and free movement, and that ONLY...
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"Hey we will stand alone and still kick ass just like the British people on hole have always done now all we need is Scotland to go and will be even better but how would England survive without all the money from Scotland paying to keep England from sinking for all these years we have been keeping you afloat, I know the English like to think you keep Scotland but it actually the other way around. Scotland has more to offer, if we Scots leave you fuel, oil & whiskey prices in England would sky rocket. You need us more than we need you bud
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"Less than 24hrs and the brochures not looking so glossy any more" Rubbish. We have been delt a hand and now we have a duty to play the cards the best way we can. Democracy dictates that only one side will win. That has happened for good or I'll only time will tell. But! If all the people who continue to whine and spout abuse and hate don't pick themselves up and brush themselves down then we will truly be in the shit. I don't care how people voted now... It's done, now is the time to make something of whats left. | |||
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"Hey we will stand alone and still kick ass just like the British people on hole have always done now all we need is Scotland to go and will be even better but how would England survive without all the money from Scotland paying to keep England from sinking for all these years we have been keeping you afloat, I know the English like to think you keep Scotland but it actually the other way around. Scotland has more to offer, if we Scots leave you fuel, oil & whiskey prices in England would sky rocket. You need us more than we need you bud
Realistically the only things we would struggle with is decent whiskey.
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. LOL So many spineless idiots Those Brits with a spine will lead the UK out of this. UK has the fifth largest economy in the world second in Europe. Brits built this and Brits will survive this. The economy does not stop in eu there is a whole world out there. The UK will survive and thrive I truly hope it does for the sake of the young generation. But who exactly will lead us? That's what scares the hell out of me. I was a remain supporter and still dont get why we left 24 hours on. We need strong leadership now more than ever, but who do you trust to do that, honestly? Who has the dynamism the drive, the political skill the determination and enthusiasm. To heal these wounds and take us forward? Johnson? Who we know only span it for his political need and want. Give, one of the most unpopular MPs ever who systematically dis mantled the education system, Farage...? I'm ok with moving us forward for the sake of our children, but under whose stewardship are we going to do this? " I'd agree! Though I'm not naturally a Tory I think Cameron has done a good job of running an initially crippled country, and I really can't see any good contenders! Same for Labour - and the liberals disappeared into obscurity after the last election! It's going to take a strong, charismatic leader to take us forward however we voted - and I can see no obvious candidates sadly! Frankly I'm hoping Cameron will change his mind And rescind his resignation - but that's unlikely! X | |||
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"What is it with current politics we've had a vote respect the outcome. The scottish didnt get the result they wanted so immediately whinge for a second vote. The reain campaign didnt get the result they wanted and instantly whinge for a second vote It aint playground best of three its democracy you lost grow a pair and move on " Some Scottish | |||
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"A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of Brexit. " Have you thought about a career in journalism? Loved it. | |||
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"A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of Brexit. Have you thought about a career in journalism? Loved it. "It was stolen from elsewhere. | |||
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"Hey we will stand alone and still kick ass just like the British people on hole have always done now all we need is Scotland to go and will be even better but how would England survive without all the money from Scotland paying to keep England from sinking for all these years we have been keeping you afloat, I know the English like to think you keep Scotland but it actually the other way around. Scotland has more to offer, if we Scots leave you fuel, oil & whiskey prices in England would sky rocket. You need us more than we need you bud
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"Sadly I don't think the vote was made on an informed basis for the majority. There were many (admittedly safe) reasons to remain. Very very few strongly defined and proven reasons to leave. A great deal of blind belief and a desire to rebel. Overal I see a small pretty powerless island now looking more alone than ever. We aren't the uk of 50 or 100 years ago. We are a country suffering from financial insecurity, fear and lack of direction. Scaremongering and knee jerk responses have put us on a long and totally unpredictable path which may work out well or not. But it's a gamble with our, and our children's futures. A gamble which I as a parent and a businessman didn't consider to be a wise one. " . I get what your saying, unfortunately the reality of this vote is 40 years of mismanagement and quite frankly just people dismissing every opinion of somebody else that they don't like. Politicans have been brewing this for decades, they thought the EU was the greatest thing since sliced bread and they may well be right but for let's say 17 million other people, it really hasn't worked very well for them and every time they've complained they've been slapped down as stupid, ignorant, racist, jobless, little Englanders in a very condescending manner.... To quote What we got here is a failure to communicate, some politicans you just can't reach, so you get what we had here yesterday, which is the way they want it.... Well they got it, I don't like anymore than the rest of you bums but that's the way it is! | |||
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"At least one good thing has already come out of the leave vote. The pig fucker is on his way out! And there will be another in the not too distant future... The standard Tory excuse of 'it's the EU's fault, they wont let us do it' will be gone. They will have to step up and say "yep we did that to you!" and with luck the working class of this country will organise again and kick some Tory arse rather than bending over and kissing it for scraps!" Wow life must of been really unkind to you | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever." It is true | |||
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"The media gave you quite a bit of the Arab springs over the last few years while never really seeing the western spring that's been coming for awhile longer!. The reason none of them actually had a handle on the referendum is the same reason they didn't see trump coming or Bernie or ukip. Because there middle class living in a middle class world. " . True, my Facebook feed is full of my liberal middle class "friends" worrying about how hard it'll be to go skiing now. Not one of them in a career which has had it's earning potential massively effected by immigration. | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. It is true " never mind hey | |||
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"Keep calm and carry on people, keep calm. For better or worse (and whatever way you voted will determine your _iew on that) we are where we are. Important for all our futures to stop bickering and moaning and carry on. I am sure we will end up with a situation not a million miles away from what we have today. " Really ? We have given into isolationism and let's not forget an extreme right atrocity was committed in the campaign. Forgive me for not breaking out the champagne. | |||
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"Keep calm and carry on people, keep calm. For better or worse (and whatever way you voted will determine your _iew on that) we are where we are. Important for all our futures to stop bickering and moaning and carry on. I am sure we will end up with a situation not a million miles away from what we have today. Really ? We have given into isolationism and let's not forget an extreme right atrocity was committed in the campaign. Forgive me for not breaking out the champagne." We have to put the divisions created through the campaign behind us and quickly. No one is saying break out the champagne, let's unite, let's work through this together, let's try and ensure that the future is as bright as it can possibly be given the situation we find ourselves in. | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Yep and get used to it Forever." | |||
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"The media gave you quite a bit of the Arab springs over the last few years while never really seeing the western spring that's been coming for awhile longer!. The reason none of them actually had a handle on the referendum is the same reason they didn't see trump coming or Bernie or ukip. Because there middle class living in a middle class world. . True, my Facebook feed is full of my liberal middle class "friends" worrying about how hard it'll be to go skiing now. Not one of them in a career which has had it's earning potential massively effected by immigration. " Imagine the uproar if they went to work to be told they had to take a massive pay cut or that their job is now being contracted out to agencies that only take on cheap foreign labour. | |||
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"Keep calm and carry on people, keep calm. For better or worse (and whatever way you voted will determine your _iew on that) we are where we are. Important for all our futures to stop bickering and moaning and carry on. I am sure we will end up with a situation not a million miles away from what we have today. Really ? We have given into isolationism and let's not forget an extreme right atrocity was committed in the campaign. Forgive me for not breaking out the champagne. We have to put the divisions created through the campaign behind us and quickly. No one is saying break out the champagne, let's unite, let's work through this together, let's try and ensure that the future is as bright as it can possibly be given the situation we find ourselves in." Yesterday was a marker to futher division. Suck it up. | |||
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"The media gave you quite a bit of the Arab springs over the last few years while never really seeing the western spring that's been coming for awhile longer!. The reason none of them actually had a handle on the referendum is the same reason they didn't see trump coming or Bernie or ukip. Because there middle class living in a middle class world. . True, my Facebook feed is full of my liberal middle class "friends" worrying about how hard it'll be to go skiing now. Not one of them in a career which has had it's earning potential massively effected by immigration. Imagine the uproar if they went to work to be told they had to take a massive pay cut or that their job is now being contracted out to agencies that only take on cheap foreign labour. " Exactly. Or start using estate agencies, solicitors, banks and insurance companies based abroad as its cheaper..... | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. Democracy is always a wee bit shit,when you lose. Find something better,or accept the result.
I've always accepted the result.. I was one that voted leave. The immigration thing that's linked with wanting to leave had no effect to why I decided to leave. I looked at the pros n cons of each option, and just decided that leave was the right thing to do.
Reasons why I believe leaving will be:
Better economy in the long run
Control our own security
Better trade deals
More jobs eventually, EU killed off our fishing industry
Have our own laws
Not run by unelected MPs that dont know a thing about our country
When we joined the EU/EEC, it was for free trade and free movement, and that ONLY...
"True,the European union,is a group of democratic countries. Ran by an unelected group. It's just fundamentaly wrong. I don't really care about immigration,everybody wants a better life,and in the end that will always even itself out. My main concern is, how is it possible, for the unelected, to rule a democracy???  | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. Democracy is always a wee bit shit,when you lose. Find something better,or accept the result.
I've always accepted the result.. I was one that voted leave. The immigration thing that's linked with wanting to leave had no effect to why I decided to leave. I looked at the pros n cons of each option, and just decided that leave was the right thing to do.
Reasons why I believe leaving will be:
Better economy in the long run
Control our own security
Better trade deals
More jobs eventually, EU killed off our fishing industry
Have our own laws
Not run by unelected MPs that dont know a thing about our country
When we joined the EU/EEC, it was for free trade and free movement, and that ONLY...
True,the European union,is a group of democratic countries.
Ran by an unelected group.
It's just fundamentaly wrong.
I don't really care about immigration,everybody wants a better life,and in the end that will always even itself out.
My main concern is,
how is it possible,
for the unelected,
to rule a democracy???
"Suggest you actually find out how the EU is run. It is run by elected people. The council of ministers, who are the ministers of each participating nation. Cast your mind back to 2015: we had a general election. We elected MPs, formed a government, that elected government sits as part of the EU council of ministers. They appoint a few people to do the administration of the EU. Those people do what the council of ministers tells them to do. In case you missed it, there are elections for MEPs. You can vote for them. They go to a parliament and debate and vote on stuff. Never mind, it's all irrelevant now. | |||
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"Hey we will stand alone and still kick ass just like the British people on hole have always done now all we need is Scotland to go and will be even better " I don't see how the UK will be better without Scotland. PS Paisley is north of the border! | |||
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"We are meant to be in a Parliamentary Democracy. That means we elect MP's who are meant to be more knowledgable than we are to make decisions on our behalf. Letting the public decide on this issue was in itself an undemocratic act. For those who want to know demos means people and cracy rule but it was never all the people the bottom 90% never voted." Two issues with this...... MPs are more knowledgable than us? That's just taking the piss and clearly wrong! I'm originally from St Helens. I knew my local MP personally...thick as a brick just didn't come close! 90% never voted? Where did you make that one up? 72% turnout...fact. | |||
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"Anybody whose vote was based solely on immigration was always being naive... The entire Brexit vote was naive. 17 million people sucked in like children, and now the rest of us have to pay for it. Forever. LOL So many spineless idiots Those Brits with a spine will lead the UK out of this. UK has the fifth largest economy in the world second in Europe. Brits built this and Brits will survive this. The economy does not stop in eu there is a whole world out there. The UK will survive and thrive" On what list is the UK the 5th largest economy in the world and 2nd in Europe ? | |||
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"i did notice that even IDS was starting to back away from some of the vote leave claims he was backing up a few days ago.. he appearence on marr this morning was cringeworthy... and then you wonder why 3 million people have now signed the petition........ was there anything they said that was true and any promise they are not pulling back on...." I would have thought it would have been much higher by now. After all the voting was less than a day and raised over 33 million votes. | |||
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"i did notice that even IDS was starting to back away from some of the vote leave claims he was backing up a few days ago.. he appearence on marr this morning was cringeworthy... and then you wonder why 3 million people have now signed the petition........ was there anything they said that was true and any promise they are not pulling back on...." .............Th petition just gained 39.000 more signatures from the Vatican city...population 800. | |||
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"That is all brexitors have, immigration and nothing substantial. It is shown that most that voted leave was from deprived areas, which explain a lot." Really ? How is that ? | |||
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"That is all brexitors have, immigration and nothing substantial. It is shown that most that voted leave was from deprived areas, which explain a lot. Really ? How is that ?" Yes, they talked about it during the voting night on bbc1. | |||
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"£350 for the NHS backtrack, immigration backtrack, there seems to be a theme developing here... "A lot of things were said in advance of this referendum that we might want to think about again" http://www.thecatholicuniverse.com/former-defence-secretary-liam-fox-calls-for-period-of-calm-following-brexit-9387" Tell me who said the £350 million WILL to the NHS ? and who do you think actually make's the decides how are money is spent? | |||
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"That is all brexitors have, immigration and nothing substantial. It is shown that most that voted leave was from deprived areas, which explain a lot. Really ? How is that ?" I think they mean older, traditional Labour voters. Gove couldn't confirm he would reduce immigration on the news on Wednesday. Or how. Or even give a number. Well done Britain, you've been hoodwinked, lied to, and most certainly led up the garden path. | |||
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"£350 for the NHS backtrack, immigration backtrack, there seems to be a theme developing here... "A lot of things were said in advance of this referendum that we might want to think about again" http://www.thecatholicuniverse.com/former-defence-secretary-liam-fox-calls-for-period-of-calm-following-brexit-9387 Tell me who said the £350 million WILL to the NHS ? and who do you think actually make's the decides how are money is spent? "I may have misremembered. Buit I seem to distinctly recall Nige saying that that money could be ploughed back into the NHS. Slimy git used the modal verb 'could' though, which I know is hardly binding. Certainly seems to have made millions think the Brexit winners WOULD do so in the event of a win though. Oh dear. Gullible doesn't even cover it. He's now also saying that we were heading for a recession anyway, even though he 'may'(ha ha)have been vehemently saying we'd be better off after the vote. Sigh.. | |||
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"That is all brexitors have, immigration and nothing substantial. It is shown that most that voted leave was from deprived areas, which explain a lot. Really ? How is that ? I think they mean older, traditional Labour voters. Gove couldn't confirm he would reduce immigration on the news on Wednesday. Or how. Or even give a number. Well done Britain, you've been hoodwinked, lied to, and most certainly led up the garden path. " Yes that perfectly sums up the political system in this country. | |||
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"There was a number of reasons to vote in or out - at the end of the day it was a collective of those that led us to the outcome. I cant imagine anyone likes to think they were fooled let alone admit to it. This applies to both camps. My personal reason for wanting to leave is first hand experience of what we have had to endure over my 44 years on this planet. I simply want a radical change while retaining democracy. I grew up quite liking the Jams coin of phrase, the people gets what the people wants. No doubt someone will tell me that was the who but then that's not the first time I've been fooled..."
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"£350 for the NHS backtrack, immigration backtrack, there seems to be a theme developing here... "A lot of things were said in advance of this referendum that we might want to think about again" http://www.thecatholicuniverse.com/former-defence-secretary-liam-fox-calls-for-period-of-calm-following-brexit-9387 Tell me who said the £350 million WILL to the NHS ? and who do you think actually make's the decides how are money is spent?
I may have misremembered. Buit I seem to distinctly recall Nige saying that that money could be ploughed back into the NHS.
Slimy git used the modal verb 'could' though, which I know is hardly binding.
Certainly seems to have made millions think the Brexit winners WOULD do so in the event of a win though.
Oh dear.
Gullible doesn't even cover it.
He's now also saying that we were heading for a recession anyway, even though he 'may'(ha ha)have been vehemently saying we'd be better off after the vote.
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"That is all brexitors have, immigration and nothing substantial. It is shown that most that voted leave was from deprived areas, which explain a lot. Really ? How is that ? I think they mean older, traditional Labour voters. Gove couldn't confirm he would reduce immigration on the news on Wednesday. Or how. Or even give a number. Well done Britain, you've been hoodwinked, lied to, and most certainly led up the garden path. Yes that perfectly sums up the political system in this country." And now you know why I've not voted for 10 years, bunch of liars no matter what party they are | |||
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"It's been 3 days since the result, article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet, and already the remainers are crying foul, "you can't deliver this and you can't deliver that". It's ridiculous. Nothing was ever going to change on Friday 24 June. It will take time to put these things in place, I don't see the point in rushing, as it needs a calm and steady approach to remove ourselves from the EU so we get it right and we end up getting the best outcome from the exit negotiations. We will be much better off in the long run out of the EU. Remainers like listening to experts well some experts are now saying they think the EU will crumble within the next 5 years. Now Britain has had the balls to leave others will do the same. The EU is a failure and it was always going to fail. I think Britain leaving is the first brick knocked out the flimsy EU wall and the whole thing will hopefully soon collapse. There seems to be a huge amount of sour grapes being sucked from Remainers at the moment (which was to be expected). Let them whinge and moan all they like it won't change the result. Leave won. End of. " ...well said. | |||
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"It's been 3 days since the result, article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet, and already the remainers are crying foul, "you can't deliver this and you can't deliver that". It's ridiculous. Nothing was ever going to change on Friday 24 June. It will take time to put these things in place, I don't see the point in rushing, as it needs a calm and steady approach to remove ourselves from the EU so we get it right and we end up getting the best outcome from the exit negotiations. We will be much better off in the long run out of the EU. Remainers like listening to experts well some experts are now saying they think the EU will crumble within the next 5 years. Now Britain has had the balls to leave others will do the same. The EU is a failure and it was always going to fail. I think Britain leaving is the first brick knocked out the flimsy EU wall and the whole thing will hopefully soon collapse. There seems to be a huge amount of sour grapes being sucked from Remainers at the moment (which was to be expected). Let them whinge and moan all they like it won't change the result. Leave won. End of. " Well said that man! | |||
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"It's been 3 days since the result, article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet, and already the remainers are crying foul, "you can't deliver this and you can't deliver that". It's ridiculous. Nothing was ever going to change on Friday 24 June. It will take time to put these things in place, I don't see the point in rushing, as it needs a calm and steady approach to remove ourselves from the EU so we get it right and we end up getting the best outcome from the exit negotiations. We will be much better off in the long run out of the EU. Remainers like listening to experts well some experts are now saying they think the EU will crumble within the next 5 years. Now Britain has had the balls to leave others will do the same. The EU is a failure and it was always going to fail. I think Britain leaving is the first brick knocked out the flimsy EU wall and the whole thing will hopefully soon collapse. There seems to be a huge amount of sour grapes being sucked from Remainers at the moment (which was to be expected). Let them whinge and moan all they like it won't change the result. Leave won. End of. ...well said." | |||
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"It's been 3 days since the result, article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet, and already the remainers are crying foul, "you can't deliver this and you can't deliver that". It's ridiculous. Nothing was ever going to change on Friday 24 June. It will take time to put these things in place, I don't see the point in rushing, as it needs a calm and steady approach to remove ourselves from the EU so we get it right and we end up getting the best outcome from the exit negotiations. We will be much better off in the long run out of the EU. Remainers like listening to experts well some experts are now saying they think the EU will crumble within the next 5 years. Now Britain has had the balls to leave others will do the same. The EU is a failure and it was always going to fail. I think Britain leaving is the first brick knocked out the flimsy EU wall and the whole thing will hopefully soon collapse. There seems to be a huge amount of sour grapes being sucked from Remainers at the moment (which was to be expected). Let them whinge and moan all they like it won't change the result. Leave won. End of. " one wonders just how much louder the cries of fix and its wrong would of been had the vote gone the otherway ? | |||
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"It's been 3 days since the result, article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet, and already the remainers are crying foul, "you can't deliver this and you can't deliver that". It's ridiculous. Nothing was ever going to change on Friday 24 June. It will take time to put these things in place, I don't see the point in rushing, as it needs a calm and steady approach to remove ourselves from the EU so we get it right and we end up getting the best outcome from the exit negotiations. We will be much better off in the long run out of the EU. Remainers like listening to experts well some experts are now saying they think the EU will crumble within the next 5 years. Now Britain has had the balls to leave others will do the same. The EU is a failure and it was always going to fail. I think Britain leaving is the first brick knocked out the flimsy EU wall and the whole thing will hopefully soon collapse. There seems to be a huge amount of sour grapes being sucked from Remainers at the moment (which was to be expected). Let them whinge and moan all they like it won't change the result. Leave won. End of. " You do realise it would have been the same which ever side won, the other was bound to kick up a stink. Like farage calling for a 2nd one before the result was even called because even he didn't believe his own bullshit and was convinced that Remain would win. I'm remain, what's done is done and I don't want a second vote. We all just have to make sure the xenophobes like farage aren't involved in the negotiation and make sure everyone is happy. Starting with securing our childrens/grand children not very stable futures. | |||
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"you spout arrant nonsense! If you don't like the democratic process then suck it up. To Suggest leave voters were naive or solely based their _iews on immigration, are the rantings of a narrow-minded lachrymose individual. Please cry quietly in the corner, but pick your toys up first. Look, I get it older people were brought up on Alf Garnett and "bless this house" http://youtu.be/B1dakp4FT0w And think this is all acceptable, where younger generation are quite horrified " Really quite sad lol. you think youth makes you more sensitive and caring to the world around you. That some 1970's programme can influence a generations thinking. you deserve to be the narrow-minded halfwit you are! When you can construct a valid response to my comments that immigration played no part in my decision to leave europe, instead of using age and imaginary racist motives to make you feel better about the lack of intellect you show in making pointless comments, get back to me. | |||
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"It's been 3 days since the result, article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet, and already the remainers are crying foul, "you can't deliver this and you can't deliver that". It's ridiculous. Nothing was ever going to change on Friday 24 June. It will take time to put these things in place, I don't see the point in rushing, as it needs a calm and steady approach to remove ourselves from the EU so we get it right and we end up getting the best outcome from the exit negotiations. We will be much better off in the long run out of the EU. Remainers like listening to experts well some experts are now saying they think the EU will crumble within the next 5 years. Now Britain has had the balls to leave others will do the same. The EU is a failure and it was always going to fail. I think Britain leaving is the first brick knocked out the flimsy EU wall and the whole thing will hopefully soon collapse. There seems to be a huge amount of sour grapes being sucked from Remainers at the moment (which was to be expected). Let them whinge and moan all they like it won't change the result. Leave won. End of. " | |||
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"That is all brexitors have, immigration and nothing substantial. It is shown that most that voted leave was from deprived areas, which explain a lot. Really ? How is that ? I think they mean older, traditional Labour voters. Gove couldn't confirm he would reduce immigration on the news on Wednesday. Or how. Or even give a number. Well done Britain, you've been hoodwinked, lied to, and most certainly led up the garden path. Yes that perfectly sums up the political system in this country. And now you know why I've not voted for 10 years, bunch of liars no matter what party they are" Yeah makes me wonder about people that do vote ! I mean what kind of idiot votes for self serving, morally corrupt liars ? | |||
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"£350 for the NHS backtrack, immigration backtrack, there seems to be a theme developing here... "A lot of things were said in advance of this referendum that we might want to think about again" http://www.thecatholicuniverse.com/former-defence-secretary-liam-fox-calls-for-period-of-calm-following-brexit-9387 Tell me who said the £350 million WILL to the NHS ? and who do you think actually make's the decides how are money is spent?
I may have misremembered. Buit I seem to distinctly recall Nige saying that that money could be ploughed back into the NHS.
Slimy git used the modal verb 'could' though, which I know is hardly binding.
Certainly seems to have made millions think the Brexit winners WOULD do so in the event of a win though.
Oh dear.
Gullible doesn't even cover it.
He's now also saying that we were heading for a recession anyway, even though he 'may'(ha ha)have been vehemently saying we'd be better off after the vote.
Sigh..
But he is NOT the PM so its not up to him to say what it's spent on
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"I fear for the future of this country its split practically right down the middle and yes someone mentioned a civil war and I don't dismiss it easily maybe its early days from the result but I see no good coming from it " Interestingly, Farage predicted violence weeks before the vote, and what a great use of words when he said that the vote was won 'without a bullet being fired'. Couldn't make it up. Trump levels of agitprop. | |||
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"It's been 3 days since the result, article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet, and already the remainers are crying foul, "you can't deliver this and you can't deliver that". It's ridiculous. Nothing was ever going to change on Friday 24 June. It will take time to put these things in place, I don't see the point in rushing, as it needs a calm and steady approach to remove ourselves from the EU so we get it right and we end up getting the best outcome from the exit negotiations. We will be much better off in the long run out of the EU. Remainers like listening to experts well some experts are now saying they think the EU will crumble within the next 5 years. Now Britain has had the balls to leave others will do the same. The EU is a failure and it was always going to fail. I think Britain leaving is the first brick knocked out the flimsy EU wall and the whole thing will hopefully soon collapse. There seems to be a huge amount of sour grapes being sucked from Remainers at the moment (which was to be expected). Let them whinge and moan all they like it won't change the result. Leave won. End of. " I was in the remain camp and I still am. However you speak sense about the sour grapes, hysterics and whining. Time to pull together with solutions. | |||
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"£350 for the NHS backtrack, immigration backtrack, there seems to be a theme developing here... "A lot of things were said in advance of this referendum that we might want to think about again" http://www.thecatholicuniverse.com/former-defence-secretary-liam-fox-calls-for-period-of-calm-following-brexit-9387 Tell me who said the £350 million WILL to the NHS ? and who do you think actually make's the decides how are money is spent?
I may have misremembered. Buit I seem to distinctly recall Nige saying that that money could be ploughed back into the NHS.
Slimy git used the modal verb 'could' though, which I know is hardly binding.
Certainly seems to have made millions think the Brexit winners WOULD do so in the event of a win though.
Oh dear.
Gullible doesn't even cover it.
He's now also saying that we were heading for a recession anyway, even though he 'may'(ha ha)have been vehemently saying we'd be better off after the vote.
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"So know Britain has its borders again and last time Britain enforced it border in Ireland the boys in balaclavas resisted.... It seems in Britain's bid to control it's border there will be balaclavas being dusted off in south armagh" you mean in Ireland that country that britain invaded and occupied by force. | |||
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"It's been 3 days since the result, article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet, and already the remainers are crying foul, "you can't deliver this and you can't deliver that". It's ridiculous. Nothing was ever going to change on Friday 24 June. It will take time to put these things in place, I don't see the point in rushing, as it needs a calm and steady approach to remove ourselves from the EU so we get it right and we end up getting the best outcome from the exit negotiations. We will be much better off in the long run out of the EU. Remainers like listening to experts well some experts are now saying they think the EU will crumble within the next 5 years. Now Britain has had the balls to leave others will do the same. The EU is a failure and it was always going to fail. I think Britain leaving is the first brick knocked out the flimsy EU wall and the whole thing will hopefully soon collapse. There seems to be a huge amount of sour grapes being sucked from Remainers at the moment (which was to be expected). Let them whinge and moan all they like it won't change the result. Leave won. End of. one wonders just how much louder the cries of fix and its wrong would of been had the vote gone the otherway ?" I for one am just extremely disappointed that the campaign has been won on what have already been partially revealed to be false promises,lies and assumptions and stoking up of undesirable elements of nationalistic frothing in order to win a popular vote. | |||
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"It's been 3 days since the result, article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet, and already the remainers are crying foul, "you can't deliver this and you can't deliver that". It's ridiculous. Nothing was ever going to change on Friday 24 June. It will take time to put these things in place, I don't see the point in rushing, as it needs a calm and steady approach to remove ourselves from the EU so we get it right and we end up getting the best outcome from the exit negotiations. We will be much better off in the long run out of the EU. Remainers like listening to experts well some experts are now saying they think the EU will crumble within the next 5 years. Now Britain has had the balls to leave others will do the same. The EU is a failure and it was always going to fail. I think Britain leaving is the first brick knocked out the flimsy EU wall and the whole thing will hopefully soon collapse. There seems to be a huge amount of sour grapes being sucked from Remainers at the moment (which was to be expected). Let them whinge and moan all they like it won't change the result. Leave won. End of. You do realise it would have been the same which ever side won, the other was bound to kick up a stink. Like farage calling for a 2nd one before the result was even called because even he didn't believe his own bullshit and was convinced that Remain would win. I'm remain, what's done is done and I don't want a second vote. We all just have to make sure the xenophobes like farage aren't involved in the negotiation and make sure everyone is happy. Starting with securing our childrens/grand children not very stable futures. " Farage won't be involved in any exit negotiations. Farage was not part of the official vote leave campaign. The UKip representative for the exit negotiations will be Douglas Carswell MP. | |||
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