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"Jez, ruining my queue " Be quiet or Ill stand behind you and poke you with my voting pencil | |||
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"Ooooh you're so organised " It doesnt happen very often | |||
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"Ladies and Gentleman - the day is finally upon us... In anticipation of a 1001 threads that will pop up during the course of the day we are going to keep all the referendum posts on the one thread....no doubt followed by Part 2...Part 3... Thank ya kindly and Happy Voting!" Can you close all other referendum threads please, then we can just have fabbing and humping in the Lounge | |||
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"still not decided I will have to decide old school way eanie meanie my me toe or sumthing like that. I need help with eanie meanie does anyone now how it goes probly " Which, eanie menie minie no, catch a tiger by its two, if it bites let it go, eanie menie minie mo I'm off to vote once I've done the school run | |||
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"A vote to remain is a vote for the future. Isolationism is a trait of the past and has no place in a modern world." First post in awhile so please be kind. .. But I do not understand the logic in your argument. Surely voting to say in a club of 27 countries is not Isolating than being a free country that can make its our deals with the whole of the rest of the world plus the EU ones. | |||
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"Don't forget, those voting to leave, the polling stations open on Friday 24th June " | |||
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"A vote to remain is a vote for the future. Isolationism is a trait of the past and has no place in a modern world. First post in awhile so please be kind. .. But I do not understand the logic in your argument. Surely voting to say in a club of 27 countries is not Isolating than being a free country that can make its our deals with the whole of the rest of the world plus the EU ones. " 'More'isolating, yes of course it is | |||
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"So..... what we voting for, does anybody know? " I think the truth is nobody bloody knows what we are voting for! They all think they know..... | |||
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"I am a remainer..... dont dance with the devil aka brexit." We have been dancing with the EU devil for 20 years and our feet are bruised by the encounter. I actually preferred the EEC minxy I asked to join and dance with ... So Vote Leave and lets celebrate our Independence on the 24th | |||
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"Off to vote shortly. How about a turnout sweepstake? I reckon it'll be pretty high for this one, so I'm going for 75%." 72% | |||
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"69% " Surprise surprise | |||
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"Mrs P is voting the opposite way to me. So I said to her we both won't bother as we'll cancel each other out. Then I sneaked out and voted. We're one up " | |||
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"Just voted, wasn't asked for any ID, had no registration form, only had to give name and address which they took on trust, had to use a pencil and my neighbour voted for everyone in her house not the most rigorous governance I've ever seen and potentially liable to challenge I suspect." They gave one person multiple ballot papers? | |||
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"Just voted, wasn't asked for any ID, had no registration form, only had to give name and address which they took on trust, had to use a pencil and my neighbour voted for everyone in her house not the most rigorous governance I've ever seen and potentially liable to challenge I suspect." You've never needed to take your polling card to vote, the neighbour could have been proxy voting but I think there's a limit on how many proxies you can act as | |||
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"I'm working away, can't vote, can someone who isn't voting go and vote "leave" for me?" I could get one of the kids pretend to be you?? | |||
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"I'm working away, can't vote, can someone who isn't voting go and vote "leave" for me? I could get one of the kids pretend to be you??" They could stand on each other's shoulders? | |||
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"Is something happening? I've got a festival to amuse! " Fuck those townie cunts. | |||
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"Is something happening? I've got a festival to amuse! Fuck those townie cunts." I know, right? Here's me dressed in white linen and a Panama... and there's all these unwashed oiks letting the side down. I need a cigar. ffs | |||
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"Don't forget, those voting to remain, the polling stations open on Friday 24th June " Corrected it for you... | |||
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"Voted. Remain. If you're still undecided then I urge you to vote remain. We can, as a nation, vote to leave at any time. Once we've left it won't be easy to get back in." Factually inaccurate, as we cannot vote to leave at any time. This is our opportunity to vote leave. We won't get another in our lifetime. | |||
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"I'm working away, can't vote, can someone who isn't voting go and vote "leave" for me? I could get one of the kids pretend to be you??" Never mind the future of our country I just voted for your gorgeous bum .... | |||
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"Don't forget, those voting to leave, the polling stations open on Friday 24th June Corrected it for you..." As have I for you | |||
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"Don't forget, those voting to remain, the polling stations open on Friday 24th June Corrected it for you... As have I for you " Re-corrected for you | |||
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"Voting done came home and fucked Mr S hard and cum for Britain.... " What a true patriot, I'm going to nominate you for a gong!! | |||
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"Don't forget, those voting to leave, the polling stations open on Friday 24th June Corrected it for you... As have I for you Re-corrected for you " | |||
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"Voting done came home and fucked Mr S hard and cum for Britain.... What a true patriot, I'm going to nominate you for a gong!! " . Lol why thank you very much. X | |||
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"Don't forget, those voting to remain, the polling stations open on Friday 24th June Corrected it for you... As have I for you Re-corrected for you " You keep making a spelling mistake | |||
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"Don't forget, those voting to leave, the polling stations open on Friday 24th June Corrected it for you... As have I for you Re-corrected for you You keep making a spelling mistake " I'm not giving in | |||
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"Don't forget, those voting to remain, the polling stations open on Friday 24th June Corrected it for you... As have I for you Re-corrected for you You keep making a spelling mistake I'm not giving in " I admire your spirit, but your spelling is terrible x | |||
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"Going to call it early, I'm predicting a more than 55% vote in favour of Remain." So you are predicting in line with the bookies and latest polls then? You'll put Mystic Meg out of a job! | |||
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"Is there a referendum?? " Yeah, it's about who you want to win Euro 2016. | |||
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"Don't forget, those voting to leave, the polling stations open on Friday 24th June Corrected it for you... As have I for you Re-corrected for you You keep making a spelling mistake I'm not giving in I admire your spirit, but your spelling is terrible x" My spelling is great, yours is awful | |||
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"Don't forget, those voting to remain, the polling stations open on Friday 24th June Corrected it for you... As have I for you Re-corrected for you You keep making a spelling mistake I'm not giving in I admire your spirit, but your spelling is terrible x My spelling is great, yours is awful " It starts with an L, not an R | |||
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"Don't forget, those voting to leave, the polling stations open on Friday 24th June Corrected it for you... As have I for you Re-corrected for you You keep making a spelling mistake I'm not giving in I admire your spirit, but your spelling is terrible x My spelling is great, yours is awful It starts with an L, not an R " | |||
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"Going to call it early, I'm predicting a more than 55% vote in favour of Remain. So you are predicting in line with the bookies and latest polls then? You'll put Mystic Meg out of a job! " Would that be the same Bookies who gave Leicester City no hope and the Polls who failed to predict a Tory General election win? In truth its all too close to call and to be honest it depends if Labour can turn out 60% of their vote to Remain... | |||
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"Going to call it early, I'm predicting a more than 55% vote in favour of Remain. So you are predicting in line with the bookies and latest polls then? You'll put Mystic Meg out of a job! Would that be the same Bookies who gave Leicester City no hope and the Polls who failed to predict a Tory General election win? In truth its all too close to call and to be honest it depends if Labour can turn out 60% of their vote to Remain..." I'm going for it being even closer than that I recon 51% leave 49 remain ... | |||
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"The £ and FTSE 100 are up, as the city poll reaction is that we're staying in Europe. Just got to find out where the voting is, so I can do it." all that that tells you is that despite all the scare stories the traders aren't too worried about a Brexit. If they were they would have both been down and remained down weeks ago just in case | |||
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"The £ and FTSE 100 are up, as the city poll reaction is that we're staying in Europe. Just got to find out where the voting is, so I can do it. all that that tells you is that despite all the scare stories the traders aren't too worried about a Brexit. If they were they would have both been down and remained down weeks ago just in case" If its a close vote will the tories go down the Norway route to deal with the EU ..i predict they will | |||
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"Going to call it early, I'm predicting a more than 55% vote in favour of Remain. So you are predicting in line with the bookies and latest polls then? You'll put Mystic Meg out of a job! Would that be the same Bookies who gave Leicester City no hope and the Polls who failed to predict a Tory General election win? In truth its all too close to call and to be honest it depends if Labour can turn out 60% of their vote to Remain..." I think a good proportion of the traditional Labour working class will vote Leave today. I got back home from work early, just been down to the polling station to place my Leave vote. | |||
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"The £ and FTSE 100 are up, as the city poll reaction is that we're staying in Europe. Just got to find out where the voting is, so I can do it. all that that tells you is that despite all the scare stories the traders aren't too worried about a Brexit. If they were they would have both been down and remained down weeks ago just in case If its a close vote will the tories go down the Norway route to deal with the EU ..i predict they will" I think we will get our own kind of deal but who knows. Norway has a higher standard of living and lower working hours etc than the UK, so....anybody's guess | |||
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"Never seen the polling station so busy Well apart from the once in a generation Scottish one " Probably be even busier next time you have the once in a generation Scottish one | |||
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"Never seen the polling station so busy Well apart from the once in a generation Scottish one Probably be even busier next time you have the once in a generation Scottish one " Exactly | |||
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"I think we will get our own kind of deal but who knows. Norway has a higher standard of living and lower working hours etc than the UK, so....anybody's guess" Last year, Norway imported 8 billion euros worth of goods from Germany. We imported 90 billion (and exported 38 billion). We are way more important to European manufacturers than Norway (huge market 65 million pop, 5th largest economy), giving us far more leverage than Norway or Switzerland. As the head of the German equivalent of the CBI said only this week, imposing tariffs on trade with Britain would be a catastrophe for German manufacturers. If we vote Leave - as I hope we will - it will bring European business and the continent's political class into sharp conflict, from which their will only be one winner. Profit/Jobs vs politics - a simple choice. If we vote leave, then it's the beginning of the end for the Brussels bureaucracy. Please let it be so. | |||
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"The £ and FTSE 100 are up, as the city poll reaction is that we're staying in Europe. Just got to find out where the voting is, so I can do it. all that that tells you is that despite all the scare stories the traders aren't too worried about a Brexit. If they were they would have both been down and remained down weeks ago just in case" I think it tells you the markets are expecting a Remain vote, and if you put some money on your FTSE before today's close you might make some cash | |||
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"The £ and FTSE 100 are up, as the city poll reaction is that we're staying in Europe. Just got to find out where the voting is, so I can do it. all that that tells you is that despite all the scare stories the traders aren't too worried about a Brexit. If they were they would have both been down and remained down weeks ago just in case I think it tells you the markets are expecting a Remain vote, and if you put some money on your FTSE before today's close you might make some cash " | |||
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"Does the out vote mean leaving Europe in person as well as politically so that Ireland gets back Ireland and Spain gets Gibraltar ?? Just a thought for the "returns team" as a possible plan as there aren't any other plans for when Brexit Day is over... xx" | |||
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"Does the out vote mean leaving Europe in person as well as politically so that Ireland gets back Ireland and Spain gets Gibraltar ?? Just a thought for the "returns team" as a possible plan as there aren't any other plans for when Brexit Day is over... xx" No, but my French friends asked that if there is a Brexit, could we please take Brittany | |||
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"Do you lay back and think of England....or Europe? " Neither, I think of sex | |||
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"I don't care what you're voting, the main thing is to vote today.... go on.... Do it now. OK, do it after that coffee " How about after work? | |||
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"I think we will get our own kind of deal but who knows. Norway has a higher standard of living and lower working hours etc than the UK, so....anybody's guess Last year, Norway imported 8 billion euros worth of goods from Germany. We imported 90 billion (and exported 38 billion). We are way more important to European manufacturers than Norway (huge market 65 million pop, 5th largest economy), giving us far more leverage than Norway or Switzerland. As the head of the German equivalent of the CBI said only this week, imposing tariffs on trade with Britain would be a catastrophe for German manufacturers. If we vote Leave - as I hope we will - it will bring European business and the continent's political class into sharp conflict, from which their will only be one winner. Profit/Jobs vs politics - a simple choice. If we vote leave, then it's the beginning of the end for the Brussels bureaucracy. Please let it be so. " Chicken tax mate chicken tax | |||
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"Going to call it early, I'm predicting a more than 55% vote in favour of Remain. So you are predicting in line with the bookies and latest polls then? You'll put Mystic Meg out of a job! Would that be the same Bookies who gave Leicester City no hope and the Polls who failed to predict a Tory General election win? In truth its all too close to call and to be honest it depends if Labour can turn out 60% of their vote to Remain... I think a good proportion of the traditional Labour working class will vote Leave today. I got back home from work early, just been down to the polling station to place my Leave vote. " don't know about that. Lots of traditional labour voters here are voting out. | |||
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"The £ and FTSE 100 are up, as the city poll reaction is that we're staying in Europe. Just got to find out where the voting is, so I can do it. all that that tells you is that despite all the scare stories the traders aren't too worried about a Brexit. If they were they would have both been down and remained down weeks ago just in case I think it tells you the markets are expecting a Remain vote, and if you put some money on your FTSE before today's close you might make some cash " A woman has bet £100k on remain with expected winnings of £40k plus stake. Totally bonkers | |||
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"The £ and FTSE 100 are up, as the city poll reaction is that we're staying in Europe. Just got to find out where the voting is, so I can do it. all that that tells you is that despite all the scare stories the traders aren't too worried about a Brexit. If they were they would have both been down and remained down weeks ago just in case I think it tells you the markets are expecting a Remain vote, and if you put some money on your FTSE before today's close you might make some cash A woman has bet £100k on remain with expected winnings of £40k plus stake. Totally bonkers " She got pretty good odds relative to what's being offered now | |||
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"The £ and FTSE 100 are up, as the city poll reaction is that we're staying in Europe. Just got to find out where the voting is, so I can do it. all that that tells you is that despite all the scare stories the traders aren't too worried about a Brexit. If they were they would have both been down and remained down weeks ago just in case I think it tells you the markets are expecting a Remain vote, and if you put some money on your FTSE before today's close you might make some cash A woman has bet £100k on remain with expected winnings of £40k plus stake. Totally bonkers She got pretty good odds relative to what's being offered now " odds have been cut? or shortened or whatever its called? | |||
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"The £ and FTSE 100 are up, as the city poll reaction is that we're staying in Europe. Just got to find out where the voting is, so I can do it. all that that tells you is that despite all the scare stories the traders aren't too worried about a Brexit. If they were they would have both been down and remained down weeks ago just in case I think it tells you the markets are expecting a Remain vote, and if you put some money on your FTSE before today's close you might make some cash A woman has bet £100k on remain with expected winnings of £40k plus stake. Totally bonkers She got pretty good odds relative to what's being offered now odds have been cut? or shortened or whatever its called?" Remain current 1/5 so if you had £100k to bet you could win £20k. | |||
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"I'm starting to believe that the Remain camps fears of plagues of locusts and eternal darkness and damnation might be true, it is pitch black here, thunder and lightening and almost apocalyptic " god is on the northern leavers side | |||
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"The £ and FTSE 100 are up, as the city poll reaction is that we're staying in Europe. Just got to find out where the voting is, so I can do it. all that that tells you is that despite all the scare stories the traders aren't too worried about a Brexit. If they were they would have both been down and remained down weeks ago just in case I think it tells you the markets are expecting a Remain vote, and if you put some money on your FTSE before today's close you might make some cash A woman has bet £100k on remain with expected winnings of £40k plus stake. Totally bonkers She got pretty good odds relative to what's being offered now odds have been cut? or shortened or whatever its called? Remain current 1/5 so if you had £100k to bet you could win £20k." thanks, interesting.. | |||
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"I'm starting to believe that the Remain camps fears of plagues of locusts and eternal darkness and damnation might be true, it is pitch black here, thunder and lightening and almost apocalyptic god is on the northern leavers side " wasn't on mine when i walked the dog earlier, got bloody drenched.. oops i'm not a leaver.. | |||
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"I'm starting to believe that the Remain camps fears of plagues of locusts and eternal darkness and damnation might be true, it is pitch black here, thunder and lightening and almost apocalyptic god is on the northern leavers side wasn't on mine when i walked the dog earlier, got bloody drenched.. oops i'm not a leaver.." beautiful day up here, lovely day for a stroll to the polling booths | |||
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"Any of Fab's Leavers who took a pen along with them to vote, out of fear that MI5 are planning to rub out their pencil crosses? I just saw a video on Twitter where a Leaver was hanging around outside her local polling station all day, handing out pens just in case Leave voters forgot to bring one! " I always bring a pen with me. I don't know why as I live in a very safe Labour seat so regardless of who I vote for they always win anyway. I have a little right-wing-crazy in me. | |||
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"I'm starting to believe that the Remain camps fears of plagues of locusts and eternal darkness and damnation might be true, it is pitch black here, thunder and lightening and almost apocalyptic god is on the northern leavers side wasn't on mine when i walked the dog earlier, got bloody drenched.. oops i'm not a leaver.. beautiful day up here, lovely day for a stroll to the polling booths " we've had your weather for a change, except its warm (ish) rain .. | |||
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"Any of Fab's Leavers who took a pen along with them to vote, out of fear that MI5 are planning to rub out their pencil crosses? I just saw a video on Twitter where a Leaver was hanging around outside her local polling station all day, handing out pens just in case Leave voters forgot to bring one! I always bring a pen with me. I don't know why as I live in a very safe Labour seat so regardless of who I vote for they always win anyway. I have a little right-wing-crazy in me. " As I said in another thread, if the forces of darkness are that desperate to ruin your vote, they'll spoil your ballot paper by turning your X into a cock and balls with a pen. Or maybe the person doing the count will eat your vote! | |||
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"Done ours in pen, and most people we Know personally that has been to vote also took Pens. now all we have to encounter is biased vote counters when the ballot boxes get opened. Makes you wonder in any election how many papers get misread & wrongly counted after all we are only human..., " You should have taken a spray can with you and marked your vote in graffiti, it's the only way to be sure. By the way, how do you know the person doing the count isn't biased in favour of your choice? | |||
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"Done ours in pen, and most people we Know personally that has been to vote also took Pens. now all we have to encounter is biased vote counters when the ballot boxes get opened. Makes you wonder in any election how many papers get misread & wrongly counted after all we are only human..., " I hope that is a joke comment; I have been involved in vote counting before. One thing above all else in UK elections is that the vote counting is completely and utterly scrupulous. Vote count staff would simply not , ever, do such a thing. | |||
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"Setting off in half an hour with a big group of ex-army pal's...the British army are voting out. " your not the British army, maybe a section or even a troop.. stay dry and enjoy.. | |||
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"Setting off in half an hour with a big group of ex-army pal's...the British army are voting out. your not the British army, maybe a section or even a troop.. stay dry and enjoy.." ....We have done our poll's...the vast majority of the british army are voting out. | |||
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"Voted. Remain. If you're still undecided then I urge you to vote remain. We can, as a nation, vote to leave at any time. Once we've left it won't be easy to get back in. Factually inaccurate, as we cannot vote to leave at any time. This is our opportunity to vote leave. We won't get another in our lifetime. " Also, inaccurate. The U.K. can leave the EU at any time. Granted we as a country might not get to 'vote' to leave, but isn't that what we elect our government to do? A vote in means power will remain in our hands, for now. It may not be perfect, it may not be correct. But if it's not correct, we can always leave. It we leave and it's the wrong decision, we can't just re-join. | |||
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"Done ours in pen, and most people we Know personally that has been to vote also took Pens. now all we have to encounter is biased vote counters when the ballot boxes get opened. Makes you wonder in any election how many papers get misread & wrongly counted after all we are only human..., " Is that the leavers getting their fix/conspiracy whinnying in early? | |||
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"Setting off in half an hour with a big group of ex-army pal's...the British army are voting out. your not the British army, maybe a section or even a troop.. stay dry and enjoy......We have done our poll's...the vast majority of the british army are voting out. " Not as far as I know; 90% of my former colleagues; ( serving or retired) say they are going for remain. ( they understand what cooperation means). You you can't say how " the army" is voting, as they haven't been polled as a group. | |||
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"Done ours in pen, and most people we Know personally that has been to vote also took Pens. now all we have to encounter is biased vote counters when the ballot boxes get opened. Makes you wonder in any election how many papers get misread & wrongly counted after all we are only human..., Is that the leavers getting their fix/conspiracy whinnying in early?" tin foil hat time..? | |||
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"Setting off in half an hour with a big group of ex-army pal's...the British army are voting out. your not the British army, maybe a section or even a troop.. stay dry and enjoy......We have done our poll's...the vast majority of the british army are voting out. Not as far as I know; 90% of my former colleagues; ( serving or retired) say they are going for remain. ( they understand what cooperation means). You you can't say how " the army" is voting, as they haven't been polled as a group." .......Forces magazine..90pc out. | |||
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"We both voted this morning to remain. Many of my family and work mates are also voting remain. Nita" so they say | |||
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"I'd registered early enough to vote but had not got the card through my door.So went more in hope that my name was on the register.It was thank god so am pretty chuffed at the moment.So if you have not been delivered a card still go down to your voting BOOTH." unless you want to remain | |||
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"Setting off in half an hour with a big group of ex-army pal's...the British army are voting out. your not the British army, maybe a section or even a troop.. stay dry and enjoy......We have done our poll's...the vast majority of the british army are voting out. Not as far as I know; 90% of my former colleagues; ( serving or retired) say they are going for remain. ( they understand what cooperation means). You you can't say how " the army" is voting, as they haven't been polled as a group........Forces magazine..90pc out." Forces magazine ... Yep right; bit like The ARRSE website....NAFC. Full of comments by blokes who once knew someone in the Army, and thus think they were in the SAS . Anyway, anyone who knows the Army, knows they always take the piss out of any survey or questionnaire . Anyway, " the Army's" opinion is of no interest or significance . | |||
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"We both voted this morning to remain. Many of my family and work mates are also voting remain. Nita" Jeremy Corbyn says he is voting Remain, I'd bet he voted Leave in the privacy of the polling booth given his history with the EU. | |||
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"Setting off in half an hour with a big group of ex-army pal's...the British army are voting out. your not the British army, maybe a section or even a troop.. stay dry and enjoy......We have done our poll's...the vast majority of the british army are voting out. Not as far as I know; 90% of my former colleagues; ( serving or retired) say they are going for remain. ( they understand what cooperation means). You you can't say how " the army" is voting, as they haven't been polled as a group........Forces magazine..90pc out. Forces magazine ... Yep right; bit like The ARRSE website....NAFC. Full of comments by blokes who once knew someone in the Army, and thus think they were in the SAS . Anyway, anyone who knows the Army, knows they always take the piss out of any survey or questionnaire . Anyway, " the Army's" opinion is of no interest or significance ." ...Come on now....just accept it....the british army are voting out..now go and play with your toy soldier's...ex-army my arse. | |||
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"Setting off in half an hour with a big group of ex-army pal's...the British army are voting out. your not the British army, maybe a section or even a troop.. stay dry and enjoy......We have done our poll's...the vast majority of the british army are voting out. Not as far as I know; 90% of my former colleagues; ( serving or retired) say they are going for remain. ( they understand what cooperation means). You you can't say how " the army" is voting, as they haven't been polled as a group........Forces magazine..90pc out. Forces magazine ... Yep right; bit like The ARRSE website....NAFC. Full of comments by blokes who once knew someone in the Army, and thus think they were in the SAS . Anyway, anyone who knows the Army, knows they always take the piss out of any survey or questionnaire . Anyway, " the Army's" opinion is of no interest or significance ....Come on now....just accept it....the british army are voting out..now go and play with your toy soldier's...ex-army my arse." Didn't realise that because I'm ex army I have to vote a particular way. Squaddies are individuals with their own minds. | |||
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"The £ and FTSE 100 are up, as the city poll reaction is that we're staying in Europe. Just got to find out where the voting is, so I can do it. all that that tells you is that despite all the scare stories the traders aren't too worried about a Brexit. If they were they would have both been down and remained down weeks ago just in case If its a close vote will the tories go down the Norway route to deal with the EU ..i predict they will" Well I will grant you have been consistent in banging on about Norway. I am not sure why you keep maintaining the UK, which has an entirely different, bigger and more diverse economic profile than Norway, will adopt that model. | |||
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"Setting off in half an hour with a big group of ex-army pal's...the British army are voting out. your not the British army, maybe a section or even a troop.. stay dry and enjoy......We have done our poll's...the vast majority of the british army are voting out. Not as far as I know; 90% of my former colleagues; ( serving or retired) say they are going for remain. ( they understand what cooperation means). You you can't say how " the army" is voting, as they haven't been polled as a group........Forces magazine..90pc out. Forces magazine ... Yep right; bit like The ARRSE website....NAFC. Full of comments by blokes who once knew someone in the Army, and thus think they were in the SAS . Anyway, anyone who knows the Army, knows they always take the piss out of any survey or questionnaire . Anyway, " the Army's" opinion is of no interest or significance ....Come on now....just accept it....the british army are voting out..now go and play with your toy soldier's...ex-army my arse. Didn't realise that because I'm ex army I have to vote a particular way. Squaddies are individuals with their own minds." My thoughts exactly , the armed forces can't direct their personnel to vote in any particular way. The poll in the magazine may, or may not be, representative. But surely there is no need for childish insults. | |||
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" Our fathers and grandfathers fought for not only the freedom of the British people but the freedom of the whole of Europe and the world. This is what being in the EU and the community of Europe is all about. We cannot be safe or truly free if Europe is not safe and truly free. That was the lesson learnt between 1914 and 1945, is the reason why the EEC/EU was set up and we leave and destroy it at our own peril. " I haven't copied all of your post to save space but you confuse two issues to suit your preferred result. A choice of preference I support even if we differ. Now when the UK was fighting for survival in 1940 after the rest of Europe had caved in to the German army we were only concerned with our survival. Patriotism played a huge part in that survival. Once that had been secured we fought on for European liberation. In short Europe owes it liberation and subsequent freedom to British patriotism, courage and determination aided by the USA. Without being rude we owe Europe nothing from WWII. After WWII the military security of Europe has been maintained solely by NATO and in major part by the USA and the UK, the two biggest contributors in funding, manpower and influence. The EEC and the Eu have contributed absolutely nothing to the security of Europe. Where was 'Brussels' during the Cold War when it was British and US Forces based in Germany confronting Soviet aggression? The only time the EU has been charged with securing a part of Europe militarily was in the Balkans. And they screwed up big time by a total inability to make a decision other than Dutch 'peacekeepers' let the massacre at Srebrenica happen by walking away. It was NATO and in particular British Forces that brought stability and took on Serbian extremists. Yes we all know the ECSC of 1951 was a great idea to use mutual trade to deter aggression between France and Germany. No one else .. just those two. The Treaty of Rome came in 1958 and that was basically a trade treaty as it created the EEC. Of course France was so grateful for us liberating their country that De Gaulle (who we sheltered, funded and equipped) kept saying 'Non!'. Until 1973. The EU came into being 20 years later creating this horrendous political 'Union' that now dominates every facet of our lives . A domination we never asked for, needed or voted for. Given the disasters in Southern Europe entirely due to EU Policies and the Euro the Eu has now created the stresses and forces of division the ECSC was set up to stop 75 years ago. Vote Leave and be rid of this monstrosity. | |||
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"Funny how Nicolas Sturgeon thinks we are stronger together when it comes to the EU but not when it comes to the UK..." Because the two things aren't the same maybe? | |||
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" Our fathers and grandfathers fought for not only the freedom of the British people but the freedom of the whole of Europe and the world. This is what being in the EU and the community of Europe is all about. We cannot be safe or truly free if Europe is not safe and truly free. That was the lesson learnt between 1914 and 1945, is the reason why the EEC/EU was set up and we leave and destroy it at our own peril. I haven't copied all of your post to save space but you confuse two issues to suit your preferred result. A choice of preference I support even if we differ. Now when the UK was fighting for survival in 1940 after the rest of Europe had caved in to the German army we were only concerned with our survival. Patriotism played a huge part in that survival. Once that had been secured we fought on for European liberation. In short Europe owes it liberation and subsequent freedom to British patriotism, courage and determination aided by the USA. Without being rude we owe Europe nothing from WWII. After WWII the military security of Europe has been maintained solely by NATO and in major part by the USA and the UK, the two biggest contributors in funding, manpower and influence. The EEC and the Eu have contributed absolutely nothing to the security of Europe. Where was 'Brussels' during the Cold War when it was British and US Forces based in Germany confronting Soviet aggression? The only time the EU has been charged with securing a part of Europe militarily was in the Balkans. And they screwed up big time by a total inability to make a decision other than Dutch 'peacekeepers' let the massacre at Srebrenica happen by walking away. It was NATO and in particular British Forces that brought stability and took on Serbian extremists. Yes we all know the ECSC of 1951 was a great idea to use mutual trade to deter aggression between France and Germany. No one else .. just those two. The Treaty of Rome came in 1958 and that was basically a trade treaty as it created the EEC. Of course France was so grateful for us liberating their country that De Gaulle (who we sheltered, funded and equipped) kept saying 'Non!'. Until 1973. The EU came into being 20 years later creating this horrendous political 'Union' that now dominates every facet of our lives . A domination we never asked for, needed or voted for. Given the disasters in Southern Europe entirely due to EU Policies and the Euro the Eu has now created the stresses and forces of division the ECSC was set up to stop 75 years ago. Vote Leave and be rid of this monstrosity." Pssst. Could you please stop stating fact and let EdWally and the Cracken make up there own dolally agendas. They may not be factually correct, but at least I know while I fundamentally disagree with everything they say, that I am still sane Vote Leave | |||
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"Setting off in half an hour with a big group of ex-army pal's...the British army are voting out. your not the British army, maybe a section or even a troop.. stay dry and enjoy......We have done our poll's...the vast majority of the british army are voting out. " to be honest i only asked one mate and he was on the fence but veering toward leave.. | |||
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"Setting off in half an hour with a big group of ex-army pal's...the British army are voting out. your not the British army, maybe a section or even a troop.. stay dry and enjoy......We have done our poll's...the vast majority of the british army are voting out. to be honest i only asked one mate and he was on the fence but veering toward leave.. " I guess as a military man you'd lose your identity being part of the European Army. Which makes me wonder, if the new European army did go to war, could the French surrender on our behalf? | |||
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"Funny how Nicolas Sturgeon thinks we are stronger together when it comes to the EU but not when it comes to the UK... Because the two things aren't the same maybe? " True Scotland couldn't survive without the support from the rest of the UK... | |||
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"THE SCOTS could vote tactically .. If they want a second referendum to go independent.. They vote leave. If the uk leaves, that would trigger it according to sturgeon. " Why would they vote leave and then want to join the EU? They're hoping England votes to leave and they vote to stay. Joined up thinking please. | |||
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" Our fathers and grandfathers fought for not only the freedom of the British people but the freedom of the whole of Europe and the world. This is what being in the EU and the community of Europe is all about. We cannot be safe or truly free if Europe is not safe and truly free. That was the lesson learnt between 1914 and 1945, is the reason why the EEC/EU was set up and we leave and destroy it at our own peril. I haven't copied all of your post to save space but you confuse two issues to suit your preferred result. A choice of preference I support even if we differ. Now when the UK was fighting for survival in 1940 after the rest of Europe had caved in to the German army we were only concerned with our survival. Patriotism played a huge part in that survival. Once that had been secured we fought on for European liberation. In short Europe owes it liberation and subsequent freedom to British patriotism, courage and determination aided by the USA. Without being rude we owe Europe nothing from WWII. After WWII the military security of Europe has been maintained solely by NATO and in major part by the USA and the UK, the two biggest contributors in funding, manpower and influence. The EEC and the Eu have contributed absolutely nothing to the security of Europe. Where was 'Brussels' during the Cold War when it was British and US Forces based in Germany confronting Soviet aggression? The only time the EU has been charged with securing a part of Europe militarily was in the Balkans. And they screwed up big time by a total inability to make a decision other than Dutch 'peacekeepers' let the massacre at Srebrenica happen by walking away. It was NATO and in particular British Forces that brought stability and took on Serbian extremists. Yes we all know the ECSC of 1951 was a great idea to use mutual trade to deter aggression between France and Germany. No one else .. just those two. The Treaty of Rome came in 1958 and that was basically a trade treaty as it created the EEC. Of course France was so grateful for us liberating their country that De Gaulle (who we sheltered, funded and equipped) kept saying 'Non!'. Until 1973. The EU came into being 20 years later creating this horrendous political 'Union' that now dominates every facet of our lives . A domination we never asked for, needed or voted for. Given the disasters in Southern Europe entirely due to EU Policies and the Euro the Eu has now created the stresses and forces of division the ECSC was set up to stop 75 years ago. Vote Leave and be rid of this monstrosity." No! We need to persevere, not quit and abandon Europe to fall into a quagmire. In the end we can not separate ourselves from Europe and what happens in Europe. The best we can do is to try and steer it in the direction we want, which is a free democratic Europe governed under the rule of law. Europe, and the EU, needs Britain's input now more than ever before. We will achieve nothing but uncertainty, discord and bad feeling by walking away. The lessons from history should tell us such. Europe's peril is our peril. We cannot, never have and never will be able to insulate ourselves from it. To try to is the highest folly and leaves not only Europe but Britain in grave peril. We need to learn from the lessons of history, not constantly repeat them. | |||
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"Setting off in half an hour with a big group of ex-army pal's...the British army are voting out. your not the British army, maybe a section or even a troop.. stay dry and enjoy......We have done our poll's...the vast majority of the british army are voting out. to be honest i only asked one mate and he was on the fence but veering toward leave.. I guess as a military man you'd lose your identity being part of the European Army. Which makes me wonder, if the new European army did go to war, could the French surrender on our behalf? " Ben i'm bloody 57 lol, i left the forces in 89.. not sure why anyone would think that working together with our closest neighbours is a bad thing from a global perspective.. we need mates with big hammers as we seem to have sold ours off.. not sure why anyone slags off the French, they nearly took over most of Europe under Napoleon and gave a lot in the first world war.. certainly when i was in no one messed with some of their elite guys.. | |||
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"Being cynical, if we stay I think we will be punished for daring to question the EU... There is nothing stopping the EU from deciding not to honour the agreementsame they have made with Cameron and they have said we are getting all that we will ever get." And if we leave we will be hammered by the ue to discourage other nations from leaving ..so in is a better deal .... | |||
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"Being cynical, if we stay I think we will be punished for daring to question the EU... There is nothing stopping the EU from deciding not to honour the agreementsame they have made with Cameron and they have said we are getting all that we will ever get." How would that benefit them? I just saw this on Twitter, really made me laugh: 'VOTERS BEWARE! If they can rub out your pencil crosses, they can also tear up your polling card. Remember to take a PEN and a LAMINATOR.' | |||
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"Setting off in half an hour with a big group of ex-army pal's...the British army are voting out. your not the British army, maybe a section or even a troop.. stay dry and enjoy......We have done our poll's...the vast majority of the british army are voting out. to be honest i only asked one mate and he was on the fence but veering toward leave.. I guess as a military man you'd lose your identity being part of the European Army. Which makes me wonder, if the new European army did go to war, could the French surrender on our behalf? Ben i'm bloody 57 lol, i left the forces in 89.. not sure why anyone would think that working together with our closest neighbours is a bad thing from a global perspective.. we need mates with big hammers as we seem to have sold ours off.. not sure why anyone slags off the French, they nearly took over most of Europe under Napoleon and gave a lot in the first world war.. certainly when i was in no one messed with some of their elite guys.. " | |||
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"Being cynical, if we stay I think we will be punished for daring to question the EU... There is nothing stopping the EU from deciding not to honour the agreementsame they have made with Cameron and they have said we are getting all that we will ever get." There is nothing either in law that says the government or parliament has to abide by the referendum result, but it will. There is international law that binds all organisations, including countries and international organizations, to agreements they have made but, in essence, you're correct, the EU could refuse to honor its commitments to Britain but it won't. All organisations require a minimum level of credibility and going back on agreements tends to very quickly backfire on those that do it. | |||
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"THE SCOTS could vote tactically .. If they want a second referendum to go independent.. They vote leave. If the uk leaves, that would trigger it according to sturgeon. Why would they vote leave and then want to join the EU? " some may want to trigger a second referendum to be seperated from the uk. And be am independent country. The uk would be out and they join the eu. | |||
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"Staying in is more fun than pulling out too early " There aren't enough political swinging metaphors. | |||
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"THE SCOTS could vote tactically .. If they want a second referendum to go independent.. They vote leave. If the uk leaves, that would trigger it according to sturgeon. Why would they vote leave and then want to join the EU? They're hoping England votes to leave and they vote to stay. Joined up thinking please. " Step 1. Vote out to get the whole uk out Step 2. Trigger 2nd scot. ref. To be independent Step 3. Join eu | |||
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"THE SCOTS could vote tactically .. If they want a second referendum to go independent.. They vote leave. If the uk leaves, that would trigger it according to sturgeon. Why would they vote leave and then want to join the EU? They're hoping England votes to leave and they vote to stay. Joined up thinking please. Step 1. Vote out to get the whole uk out Step 2. Trigger 2nd scot. ref. To be independent Step 3. Join eu " You can't join the EU if a majority of your population has just declared on the books that they want out. | |||
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"Jez, ruining my queue Be quiet or Ill stand behind you and poke you with my voting pencil " The brutality of your penciled actions are bringing out the pencil support threads Jez. Now poke a little lower, no lower. | |||
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"THE SCOTS could vote tactically .. If they want a second referendum to go independent.. They vote leave. If the uk leaves, that would trigger it according to sturgeon. Why would they vote leave and then want to join the EU? They're hoping England votes to leave and they vote to stay. Joined up thinking please. Step 1. Vote out to get the whole uk out Step 2. Trigger 2nd scot. ref. To be independent Step 3. Join eu You can't join the EU if a majority of your population has just declared on the books that they want out. " they would be voting out as uk citizens.. Not scots.? Anyway.. A hyperthetical scenario.. They'd be stuffed as they have no real economy to be accepted into the eu. They have been turned down for joining the euro. | |||
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"THE SCOTS could vote tactically .. If they want a second referendum to go independent.. They vote leave. If the uk leaves, that would trigger it according to sturgeon. Why would they vote leave and then want to join the EU? They're hoping England votes to leave and they vote to stay. Joined up thinking please. Step 1. Vote out to get the whole uk out Step 2. Trigger 2nd scot. ref. To be independent Step 3. Join eu " Step 4. Spain block Scotland joining the EU which they said they would do during the Scottish referendum, because of the Catelonia issue of independence in Spain. | |||
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"THE SCOTS could vote tactically .. If they want a second referendum to go independent.. They vote leave. If the uk leaves, that would trigger it according to sturgeon. Why would they vote leave and then want to join the EU? They're hoping England votes to leave and they vote to stay. Joined up thinking please. Step 1. Vote out to get the whole uk out Step 2. Trigger 2nd scot. ref. To be independent Step 3. Join eu Step 4. Spain block Scotland joining the EU which they said they would do during the Scottish referendum, because of the Catelonia issue of independence in Spain. " Not only did they say they would do it. They will do it. An independent Scotland or any other devolved country hasn't got a hope in hell of joining. Certainly Spain and probably France, and maybe Germany will always block. | |||
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"The £ and FTSE 100 are up, as the city poll reaction is that we're staying in Europe. Just got to find out where the voting is, so I can do it. all that that tells you is that despite all the scare stories the traders aren't too worried about a Brexit. If they were they would have both been down and remained down weeks ago just in case I think it tells you the markets are expecting a Remain vote, and if you put some money on your FTSE before today's close you might make some cash A woman has bet £100k on remain with expected winnings of £40k plus stake. Totally bonkers She got pretty good odds relative to what's being offered now odds have been cut? or shortened or whatever its called? Remain current 1/5 so if you had £100k to bet you could win £20k. thanks, interesting.. " Down to 1/9 on bet365 with them putting the under/over on remain 54.5% of the vote | |||
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" Our fathers and grandfathers fought for not only the freedom of the British people but the freedom of the whole of Europe and the world. This is what being in the EU and the community of Europe is all about. We cannot be safe or truly free if Europe is not safe and truly free. That was the lesson learnt between 1914 and 1945, is the reason why the EEC/EU was set up and we leave and destroy it at our own peril. I haven't copied all of your post to save space but you confuse two issues to suit your preferred result. A choice of preference I support even if we differ. Now when the UK was fighting for survival in 1940 after the rest of Europe had caved in to the German army we were only concerned with our survival. Patriotism played a huge part in that survival. Once that had been secured we fought on for European liberation. In short Europe owes it liberation and subsequent freedom to British patriotism, courage and determination aided by the USA. Without being rude we owe Europe nothing from WWII. After WWII the military security of Europe has been maintained solely by NATO and in major part by the USA and the UK, the two biggest contributors in funding, manpower and influence. The EEC and the Eu have contributed absolutely nothing to the security of Europe. Where was 'Brussels' during the Cold War when it was British and US Forces based in Germany confronting Soviet aggression? The only time the EU has been charged with securing a part of Europe militarily was in the Balkans. And they screwed up big time by a total inability to make a decision other than Dutch 'peacekeepers' let the massacre at Srebrenica happen by walking away. It was NATO and in particular British Forces that brought stability and took on Serbian extremists. Yes we all know the ECSC of 1951 was a great idea to use mutual trade to deter aggression between France and Germany. No one else .. just those two. The Treaty of Rome came in 1958 and that was basically a trade treaty as it created the EEC. Of course France was so grateful for us liberating their country that De Gaulle (who we sheltered, funded and equipped) kept saying 'Non!'. Until 1973. The EU came into being 20 years later creating this horrendous political 'Union' that now dominates every facet of our lives . A domination we never asked for, needed or voted for. Given the disasters in Southern Europe entirely due to EU Policies and the Euro the Eu has now created the stresses and forces of division the ECSC was set up to stop 75 years ago. Vote Leave and be rid of this monstrosity. No! We need to persevere, not quit and abandon Europe to fall into a quagmire. In the end we can not separate ourselves from Europe and what happens in Europe. The best we can do is to try and steer it in the direction we want, which is a free democratic Europe governed under the rule of law. Europe, and the EU, needs Britain's input now more than ever before. We will achieve nothing but uncertainty, discord and bad feeling by walking away. The lessons from history should tell us such. Europe's peril is our peril. We cannot, never have and never will be able to insulate ourselves from it. To try to is the highest folly and leaves not only Europe but Britain in grave peril. We need to learn from the lessons of history, not constantly repeat them." The trouble with that is the EU cannot be reformed. David Cameron's attempt at renegotiation highlighted that perfectly, the EU is fundamentally opposed to any kind of meaningful reform. At the heart of the EU project the unelected commissioners who hold all the power and run everything, they are unapologetic federalists. They don't want a free and democratic Europe, they want a federal superstate called the United States of Europe, with democracy in nation states watered down, national identity dissolved and a moving of power to a centralised government based in Brussels. You are kidding yourself and anyone else if you think it can be changed or will change. By leaving the EU and being successful outside of it Britain can be a beacon of hope to all those in the EU that want out but don't yet have a voice. The EU has been a complete and utter failure, as Andrea Leadsome said on the Wembley debate on BBC 1 on Tuesday, "the EU couldn't organise a takeaway on a Friday night". The Euro is a failure, Schengen is a failure as we have seen nation states erect their own border controls again, migration crisis failure, the EU interjection in the war in the Balkans, a failure. It seems to lurch from one failure to the next. Whatever the result of this referendum tonight, the EU will ultimately be a failure, it's just a matter of time before the whole thing collapses, I just hope the British public take the sensible option and we get out of this monstrosity before its too late. | |||
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"THE SCOTS could vote tactically .. If they want a second referendum to go independent.. They vote leave. If the uk leaves, that would trigger it according to sturgeon. Why would they vote leave and then want to join the EU? They're hoping England votes to leave and they vote to stay. Joined up thinking please. Step 1. Vote out to get the whole uk out Step 2. Trigger 2nd scot. ref. To be independent Step 3. Join eu " Some may think that but the second referendum in Scotland strategy only really works if Scotland votes overwhelmingly to remain and the rest of the UK votes to leave. If Scotland also votes to leave or only narrowly votes to remain then there is little mandate for a second referendum. Also, whilst a vote to leave does make a second Scottish referendum more likely I actually think, regardless of which way Scotland votes in this referendum, an independent Scotland in the EU with the rest of the UK outside the EU would actually increase the possible differences between England and Scotland and make all the arguments for Scotland remaining in the UK even stronger. There is no guarantee that Scotland would vote for independence and, in my opinion, would be less likely to. All that being said the best way vote in this referendum, whether Scottish, English or anything else, is on whether you feel the UK should remain in the EU or not and nothing else. For me it's clear we are and I have voted Remain. | |||
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" Our fathers and grandfathers fought for not only the freedom of the British people but the freedom of the whole of Europe and the world. This is what being in the EU and the community of Europe is all about. We cannot be safe or truly free if Europe is not safe and truly free. That was the lesson learnt between 1914 and 1945, is the reason why the EEC/EU was set up and we leave and destroy it at our own peril. I haven't copied all of your post to save space but you confuse two issues to suit your preferred result. A choice of preference I support even if we differ. Now when the UK was fighting for survival in 1940 after the rest of Europe had caved in to the German army we were only concerned with our survival. Patriotism played a huge part in that survival. Once that had been secured we fought on for European liberation. In short Europe owes it liberation and subsequent freedom to British patriotism, courage and determination aided by the USA. Without being rude we owe Europe nothing from WWII. After WWII the military security of Europe has been maintained solely by NATO and in major part by the USA and the UK, the two biggest contributors in funding, manpower and influence. The EEC and the Eu have contributed absolutely nothing to the security of Europe. Where was 'Brussels' during the Cold War when it was British and US Forces based in Germany confronting Soviet aggression? The only time the EU has been charged with securing a part of Europe militarily was in the Balkans. And they screwed up big time by a total inability to make a decision other than Dutch 'peacekeepers' let the massacre at Srebrenica happen by walking away. It was NATO and in particular British Forces that brought stability and took on Serbian extremists. Yes we all know the ECSC of 1951 was a great idea to use mutual trade to deter aggression between France and Germany. No one else .. just those two. The Treaty of Rome came in 1958 and that was basically a trade treaty as it created the EEC. Of course France was so grateful for us liberating their country that De Gaulle (who we sheltered, funded and equipped) kept saying 'Non!'. Until 1973. The EU came into being 20 years later creating this horrendous political 'Union' that now dominates every facet of our lives . A domination we never asked for, needed or voted for. Given the disasters in Southern Europe entirely due to EU Policies and the Euro the Eu has now created the stresses and forces of division the ECSC was set up to stop 75 years ago. Vote Leave and be rid of this monstrosity." Very very well said and remembered, leave and give us back the GREAT in Great Britain that are farthers and for father earned all those years ago.... | |||
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