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"I think to say a leave vote is almost certain is somewhat naïve." I know I wouldn't put money on the out come that's for sure. | |||
"I think to say a leave vote is almost certain is somewhat naïve. I know I wouldn't put money on the out come that's for sure." Agreed. Every pundit is saying it is too close to call. | |||
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"I think to say a leave vote is almost certain is somewhat naïve." You wont be allowed to leave I reckon. Lots of Irish are behind the vote for Brexit.. but I reckon its just a way for Cameron to negotiate some terms. Look at what happened to Greece when it tried.  | |||
"I think to say a leave vote is almost certain is somewhat naïve. I know I wouldn't put money on the out come that's for sure. Agreed. Every pundit is saying it is too close to call. " In truth the bookies are predicting a comfortable win... | |||
"I think to say a leave vote is almost certain is somewhat naïve. I know I wouldn't put money on the out come that's for sure. Agreed. Every pundit is saying it is too close to call. In truth the bookies are predicting a comfortable win..." Soon know which way it will go, tomorrow going to be an interesting day I think | |||
" In terms of big business cashing in, well if your daft enough to vote leave then it's your own fault. " at the beginning i said that it felt like turkeys being asked if they wanted to vote for xmas.... now at the end it feel like commanders are asking you to go over the top.... but when you ask them what is over the top.... they say... ermmmmm!!!! | |||
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"I think to say a leave vote is almost certain is somewhat naïve. I know I wouldn't put money on the out come that's for sure. Agreed. Every pundit is saying it is too close to call. In truth the bookies are predicting a comfortable win..." for whom? | |||
"I think to say a leave vote is almost certain is somewhat naïve. I know I wouldn't put money on the out come that's for sure. Agreed. Every pundit is saying it is too close to call. In truth the bookies are predicting a comfortable win... for whom?" Remain by a comfortable margin. Are these the same pundits who said the Scottish vote was too close to call? | |||
"I think to say a leave vote is almost certain is somewhat naïve. I know I wouldn't put money on the out come that's for sure. Agreed. Every pundit is saying it is too close to call. In truth the bookies are predicting a comfortable win..." And the bookies rarely get it wrong, they got it pretty much spot on in the last election when all the pollsters got it hopelessly wrong. | |||
"I think to say a leave vote is almost certain is somewhat naïve. I know I wouldn't put money on the out come that's for sure. Agreed. Every pundit is saying it is too close to call. In truth the bookies are predicting a comfortable win... And the bookies rarely get it wrong, they got it pretty much spot on in the last election when all the pollsters got it hopelessly wrong. " Well then, no point having a referendum now. The bookies have spoken | |||
"I think to say a leave vote is almost certain is somewhat naïve. I know I wouldn't put money on the out come that's for sure. Agreed. Every pundit is saying it is too close to call. In truth the bookies are predicting a comfortable win... And the bookies rarely get it wrong, they got it pretty much spot on in the last election when all the pollsters got it hopelessly wrong. " It's not the bookies per se, they make money either way by charging a fee for facilitating bets on both sides. The odds represent an aggregate of the opinions of those who actually put their money where their mouth is. Those aggregated opinions are better predictors than the people you see on TV who get paid to make outrageous remarks and don't predict jack shit. | |||
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"I think to say a leave vote is almost certain is somewhat naïve. I know I wouldn't put money on the out come that's for sure. Agreed. Every pundit is saying it is too close to call. In truth the bookies are predicting a comfortable win... And the bookies rarely get it wrong, they got it pretty much spot on in the last election when all the pollsters got it hopelessly wrong. Well then, no point having a referendum now. The bookies have spoken" Pretty much. But feel free to get rich if you know better. They are only 85% accurate compared to most experts who are somewhere in the 40-55% range. | |||
"Ok so lot's of shop's Tesco etc.. And retailers have come out saying that food prices will increase if we leave. There is a whole other debate to be had about importing food etc when we have a perfectly good farming industry. My point is. They all realise that the writing is on the wall and a vote leave result is almost certain. Have they started rubbing their greedy hands together looking at another way to exploit Joe public once again. Siteing Eu exit for food increase? Given that lots of the tech comes from the far east, meat from Argentina. And many shops now support British agriculture. Once again, excuse the pun but we are going to be a cash cow for corporate companies. Exit or not. We're fucked! " the one thing I've learnt is these debates and discussions is that ...if someone wants to believe something no matter how obsurd there's nothing anyone can do or say to change it I've seen people doubt financial experts from the imf just because they have been wrong before ..and people dismiss the truth and call ithe scare tactics I now look and people in a different way | |||
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" In terms of big business cashing in, well if your daft enough to vote leave then it's your own fault. at the beginning i said that it felt like turkeys being asked if they wanted to vote for xmas.... now at the end it feel like commanders are asking you to go over the top.... but when you ask them what is over the top.... they say... ermmmmm!!!! " Baldrick had a cunning plan and it was far preferable to the General Staff's one.. capitalism and big business will use every opportunity to exploit more profit.. twas ever thus.. | |||
" In terms of big business cashing in, well if your daft enough to vote leave then it's your own fault. at the beginning i said that it felt like turkeys being asked if they wanted to vote for xmas.... now at the end it feel like commanders are asking you to go over the top.... but when you ask them what is over the top.... they say... ermmmmm!!!! Baldrick had a cunning plan and it was far preferable to the General Staff's one.. capitalism and big business will use every opportunity to exploit more profit.. twas ever thus.. " Wibble - can I be excused please?   | |||
"probably is that where the uk may grow enough to support itself at some times of the year... its not in others.... for example... if you wanted an apple in the middle of winter.... likelyhood is that its not grown here... and that is why supermarkets talk about tariffs.... because all that will end up doing is increase their costs.... which they are not going to swallow... so it will end up being passed onto customers... so shopping bills are likely to go up up..... " If the whole world consisted of just the 28 countries of the EU then the CAP would work fine. French farmers would be paid to sit on their arses and all would be well. But food is grown all over the world. If you can't get a British Apple then you probably won't get a European one. So that is why we buy South African apples. The problem is external food producers (outside the EU) face huge import tariffs to bring food into the UK which, as you argue, forces up prices. That is what we have now. Today. When we leave this EU (which is about as rotten as an old apple) we will be able to buy apples from South Africa Tariff Free so at lower prices to us and a better return for the SA farmers. THAT I would suggest is good beneficial trade. Where does it make any sense for British families to pay higher prices to European producers (because of the 40% of EU cash (our cash) spent on CAP? Where does it make any sense for British families to pay higher prices for non-EU produced foods because we (through the EU) have to protect inefficient French farmers? Supporters of the EU trot out this 'Single Market of 500 million people' like it is some Wonderland of equality and fairness. It is no such thing. It is not a Tariff free zone (as a body) because it is a protectionist inward looking Customs Union. Big difference. For example: Tate & Lyle Sugars today are saying that they pay some £3.5 Mn in Duties to the EU on a boatload of their imported Cane from which they make the sugar. When they ask for it to be reduced the EU says "Sod Off! we have Beet producers to protect". T & L said: "Last year EU restrictions and tariffs pushed our raw material costs up by nearly 40m euros (£31m) alone" Who do you think pays for all that? Yep. British families in higher food prices. That is what is happening right now. Today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36593528 That isn't 'Free Trade' as I understand it. Want a clear analytical destruction of the EU? Try this: https://youtu.be/2Gu7-Dl93fM | |||
" In terms of big business cashing in, well if your daft enough to vote leave then it's your own fault. at the beginning i said that it felt like turkeys being asked if they wanted to vote for xmas.... now at the end it feel like commanders are asking you to go over the top.... but when you ask them what is over the top.... they say... ermmmmm!!!! Baldrick had a cunning plan and it was far preferable to the General Staff's one.. capitalism and big business will use every opportunity to exploit more profit.. twas ever thus.. Wibble - can I be excused please? "tell you what lets go to the pub and imbibe good ale and no referendum blah..  | |||
" In terms of big business cashing in, well if your daft enough to vote leave then it's your own fault. at the beginning i said that it felt like turkeys being asked if they wanted to vote for xmas.... now at the end it feel like commanders are asking you to go over the top.... but when you ask them what is over the top.... they say... ermmmmm!!!! Baldrick had a cunning plan and it was far preferable to the General Staff's one.. capitalism and big business will use every opportunity to exploit more profit.. twas ever thus.. Wibble - can I be excused please?
tell you what lets go to the pub and imbibe good ale and no referendum blah.. " that has to be the best referendum post of the debate so far. Mine is a pint! | |||
" In terms of big business cashing in, well if your daft enough to vote leave then it's your own fault. at the beginning i said that it felt like turkeys being asked if they wanted to vote for xmas.... now at the end it feel like commanders are asking you to go over the top.... but when you ask them what is over the top.... they say... ermmmmm!!!! Baldrick had a cunning plan and it was far preferable to the General Staff's one.. capitalism and big business will use every opportunity to exploit more profit.. twas ever thus.. Wibble - can I be excused please?
tell you what lets go to the pub and imbibe good ale and no referendum blah..
that has to be the best referendum post of the debate so far. Mine is a pint!"probably the only sensible idea iv'e had all month.. crisps'? | |||
" In terms of big business cashing in, well if your daft enough to vote leave then it's your own fault. at the beginning i said that it felt like turkeys being asked if they wanted to vote for xmas.... now at the end it feel like commanders are asking you to go over the top.... but when you ask them what is over the top.... they say... ermmmmm!!!! Baldrick had a cunning plan and it was far preferable to the General Staff's one.. capitalism and big business will use every opportunity to exploit more profit.. twas ever thus.. Wibble - can I be excused please?
tell you what lets go to the pub and imbibe good ale and no referendum blah..
that has to be the best referendum post of the debate so far. Mine is a pint!
probably the only sensible idea iv'e had all month..
crisps'?"An pork scratchings please | |||
" In terms of big business cashing in, well if your daft enough to vote leave then it's your own fault. at the beginning i said that it felt like turkeys being asked if they wanted to vote for xmas.... now at the end it feel like commanders are asking you to go over the top.... but when you ask them what is over the top.... they say... ermmmmm!!!! Baldrick had a cunning plan and it was far preferable to the General Staff's one.. capitalism and big business will use every opportunity to exploit more profit.. twas ever thus.. Wibble - can I be excused please?
tell you what lets go to the pub and imbibe good ale and no referendum blah..
that has to be the best referendum post of the debate so far. Mine is a pint!
probably the only sensible idea iv'e had all month..
crisps'?
An pork scratchings please "sorted.. though not a fan am happy to embrace the diversity that the pork scratching brings.. nuts for me.. | |||
"probably is that where the uk may grow enough to support itself at some times of the year... its not in others.... for example... if you wanted an apple in the middle of winter.... likelyhood is that its not grown here... and that is why supermarkets talk about tariffs.... because all that will end up doing is increase their costs.... which they are not going to swallow... so it will end up being passed onto customers... so shopping bills are likely to go up up..... If the whole world consisted of just the 28 countries of the EU then the CAP would work fine. French farmers would be paid to sit on their arses and all would be well. But food is grown all over the world. If you can't get a British Apple then you probably won't get a European one. So that is why we buy South African apples. The problem is external food producers (outside the EU) face huge import tariffs to bring food into the UK which, as you argue, forces up prices. That is what we have now. Today. When we leave this EU (which is about as rotten as an old apple) we will be able to buy apples from South Africa Tariff Free so at lower prices to us and a better return for the SA farmers. THAT I would suggest is good beneficial trade. Where does it make any sense for British families to pay higher prices to European producers (because of the 40% of EU cash (our cash) spent on CAP? Where does it make any sense for British families to pay higher prices for non-EU produced foods because we (through the EU) have to protect inefficient French farmers? Supporters of the EU trot out this 'Single Market of 500 million people' like it is some Wonderland of equality and fairness. It is no such thing. It is not a Tariff free zone (as a body) because it is a protectionist inward looking Customs Union. Big difference. For example: Tate & Lyle Sugars today are saying that they pay some £3.5 Mn in Duties to the EU on a boatload of their imported Cane from which they make the sugar. When they ask for it to be reduced the EU says "Sod Off! we have Beet producers to protect". T & L said: "Last year EU restrictions and tariffs pushed our raw material costs up by nearly 40m euros (£31m) alone" Who do you think pays for all that? Yep. British families in higher food prices. That is what is happening right now. Today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36593528 That isn't 'Free Trade' as I understand it. Want a clear analytical destruction of the EU? Try this: https://youtu.be/2Gu7-Dl93fM" but even if you did get your south African apples tariff free it would still be more expensive as getting to the UK would more than if it came from the EU south Africa is further away than the EU hence costing more fuel hence price increase.. | |||
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"probably is that where the uk may grow enough to support itself at some times of the year... its not in others.... for example... if you wanted an apple in the middle of winter.... likelyhood is that its not grown here... and that is why supermarkets talk about tariffs.... because all that will end up doing is increase their costs.... which they are not going to swallow... so it will end up being passed onto customers... so shopping bills are likely to go up up..... If the whole world consisted of just the 28 countries of the EU then the CAP would work fine. French farmers would be paid to sit on their arses and all would be well. But food is grown all over the world. If you can't get a British Apple then you probably won't get a European one. So that is why we buy South African apples. The problem is external food producers (outside the EU) face huge import tariffs to bring food into the UK which, as you argue, forces up prices. That is what we have now. Today. When we leave this EU (which is about as rotten as an old apple) we will be able to buy apples from South Africa Tariff Free so at lower prices to us and a better return for the SA farmers. THAT I would suggest is good beneficial trade. Where does it make any sense for British families to pay higher prices to European producers (because of the 40% of EU cash (our cash) spent on CAP? Where does it make any sense for British families to pay higher prices for non-EU produced foods because we (through the EU) have to protect inefficient French farmers? Supporters of the EU trot out this 'Single Market of 500 million people' like it is some Wonderland of equality and fairness. It is no such thing. It is not a Tariff free zone (as a body) because it is a protectionist inward looking Customs Union. Big difference. For example: Tate & Lyle Sugars today are saying that they pay some £3.5 Mn in Duties to the EU on a boatload of their imported Cane from which they make the sugar. When they ask for it to be reduced the EU says "Sod Off! we have Beet producers to protect". T & L said: "Last year EU restrictions and tariffs pushed our raw material costs up by nearly 40m euros (£31m) alone" Who do you think pays for all that? Yep. British families in higher food prices. That is what is happening right now. Today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36593528 That isn't 'Free Trade' as I understand it. Want a clear analytical destruction of the EU? Try this: https://youtu.be/2Gu7-Dl93fM but even if you did get your south African apples tariff free it would still be more expensive as getting to the UK would more than if it came from the EU south Africa is further away than the EU hence costing more fuel hence price increase.." not really fuel is a tiny part of the cost. hence why all your cheap shit comes from china, you can't really get further away than that. | |||
"probably is that where the uk may grow enough to support itself at some times of the year... its not in others.... for example... if you wanted an apple in the middle of winter.... likelyhood is that its not grown here... and that is why supermarkets talk about tariffs.... because all that will end up doing is increase their costs.... which they are not going to swallow... so it will end up being passed onto customers... so shopping bills are likely to go up up..... If the whole world consisted of just the 28 countries of the EU then the CAP would work fine. French farmers would be paid to sit on their arses and all would be well. But food is grown all over the world. If you can't get a British Apple then you probably won't get a European one. So that is why we buy South African apples. The problem is external food producers (outside the EU) face huge import tariffs to bring food into the UK which, as you argue, forces up prices. That is what we have now. Today. When we leave this EU (which is about as rotten as an old apple) we will be able to buy apples from South Africa Tariff Free so at lower prices to us and a better return for the SA farmers. THAT I would suggest is good beneficial trade. Where does it make any sense for British families to pay higher prices to European producers (because of the 40% of EU cash (our cash) spent on CAP? Where does it make any sense for British families to pay higher prices for non-EU produced foods because we (through the EU) have to protect inefficient French farmers? Supporters of the EU trot out this 'Single Market of 500 million people' like it is some Wonderland of equality and fairness. It is no such thing. It is not a Tariff free zone (as a body) because it is a protectionist inward looking Customs Union. Big difference. For example: Tate & Lyle Sugars today are saying that they pay some £3.5 Mn in Duties to the EU on a boatload of their imported Cane from which they make the sugar. When they ask for it to be reduced the EU says "Sod Off! we have Beet producers to protect". T & L said: "Last year EU restrictions and tariffs pushed our raw material costs up by nearly 40m euros (£31m) alone" Who do you think pays for all that? Yep. British families in higher food prices. That is what is happening right now. Today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36593528 That isn't 'Free Trade' as I understand it. Want a clear analytical destruction of the EU? Try this: https://youtu.be/2Gu7-Dl93fM but even if you did get your south African apples tariff free it would still be more expensive as getting to the UK would more than if it came from the EU south Africa is further away than the EU hence costing more fuel hence price increase.." Germany is one of the world's biggest coffee exporters without growing a single bean. Work that one out. Or find out why  | |||
"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060 So who thinks the German government is going to go against their heads of industry?" he did also say serious disruption and everyone who says if we really think they wouldn't want to sell us I agree they will but I don't think it's that easy the same way thay German manufacturers would want to seel to England and make more money ...is the same way they would like to sell to places like Cuba Iran and North Korea and make even more money but they can't and they cannot go behind the government's back | |||
"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060 So who thinks the German government is going to go against their heads of industry? he did also say serious disruption and everyone who says if we really think they wouldn't want to sell us I agree they will but I don't think it's that easy the same way thay German manufacturers would want to seel to England and make more money ...is the same way they would like to sell to places like Cuba Iran and North Korea and make even more money but they can't and they cannot go behind the government's back" Well they might make more in the UK then | |||
" but even if you did get your south African apples tariff free it would still be more expensive as getting to the UK would more than if it came from the EU south Africa is further away than the EU hence costing more fuel hence price increase.. " You are forgetting that cost is already in the price we pay now. By getting out of the shackles that the EU imposes on goods from outside the EU we can remove the inflated EU tariffs (10% in the case of US cars for example) and reduce the costs of those goods in the shops. We would be free to trade to our benefit with the countries that wish to expand their trade with us. | |||
"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060 So who thinks the German government is going to go against their heads of industry? he did also say serious disruption and everyone who says if we really think they wouldn't want to sell us I agree they will but I don't think it's that easy the same way thay German manufacturers would want to seel to England and make more money ...is the same way they would like to sell to places like Cuba Iran and North Korea and make even more money but they can't and they cannot go behind the government's back" The reality is the German's cannot export more to those countries because they are hamstrung by the EU's inability to negotiate trade agreements in short order. And the fact that the countries who wish to buy German cars have to pay a high tariff to the EU to export to Germany. So they say 'No Thanks'. People are misled by the term 'Single Market' which within itself is basically (but not entirely) Tariff free but it erects huge Tariffs to countries outside to protect those countries within. And no protectionst regime ever succeeded in Global Trade. We need to get out and leave this sinking politically driven ship before it impales itself on the rocks of reality ... | |||
"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060 So who thinks the German government is going to go against their heads of industry? he did also say serious disruption and everyone who says if we really think they wouldn't want to sell us I agree they will but I don't think it's that easy the same way thay German manufacturers would want to seel to England and make more money ...is the same way they would like to sell to places like Cuba Iran and North Korea and make even more money but they can't and they cannot go behind the government's back" Why would they go behind thier back they will simply lobby. | |||
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"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets." Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? | |||
"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? " There is the argument that says if they stopped employing low skilled low wage immigrants supported by tax credits and paid a decent Living Wage they would make less profit but taxpayers could be many £ Billions better off... Not sure why it is good economics for taxpayers to subsidise Supermarkets profits and their greed to kill off High Street competition .... | |||
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"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? There is the argument that says if they stopped employing low skilled low wage immigrants supported by tax credits and paid a decent Living Wage they would make less profit but taxpayers could be many £ Billions better off... Not sure why it is good economics for taxpayers to subsidise Supermarkets profits and their greed to kill off High Street competition ...." Again, how much are these huge profits supermarkets make? - as a percentage please | |||
"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? There is the argument that says if they stopped employing low skilled low wage immigrants supported by tax credits and paid a decent Living Wage they would make less profit but taxpayers could be many £ Billions better off... Not sure why it is good economics for taxpayers to subsidise Supermarkets profits and their greed to kill off High Street competition .... Again, how much are these huge profits supermarkets make? - as a percentage please " must be pretty small if the salaries of the CEO's of the top 4 supermarkets are only in the region of £4-6 million each | |||
"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? There is the argument that says if they stopped employing low skilled low wage immigrants supported by tax credits and paid a decent Living Wage they would make less profit but taxpayers could be many £ Billions better off... Not sure why it is good economics for taxpayers to subsidise Supermarkets profits and their greed to kill off High Street competition .... Again, how much are these huge profits supermarkets make? - as a percentage please must be pretty small if the salaries of the CEO's of the top 4 supermarkets are only in the region of £4-6 million each "Surpised its that high. Guess they dont make enough to get it doen to 1 quid :p Asda make about 700 million before tax measures | |||
"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? There is the argument that says if they stopped employing low skilled low wage immigrants supported by tax credits and paid a decent Living Wage they would make less profit but taxpayers could be many £ Billions better off... Not sure why it is good economics for taxpayers to subsidise Supermarkets profits and their greed to kill off High Street competition ...." its not only immigrants that are in receipt of working tax credits.. there will be a bigger percentage of none immigrant workers receiving them.. | |||
"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? " 4-5% margin seems to be the estimates | |||
"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? 4-5% margin seems to be the estimates" So how does 4-5% equate to 'greedy'? The average of a traded company is 8% by the way. | |||
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"If the majority of the working class electorate do go and vote then we will exit the EU. But on another point...any Country that took the euro as their currency, there was a 10% to 12% rise on the cost of living immediately. Not saying England will ever take the euro as our currency. But it's inevitable if we leave the cost of our day to day living will rise rapidly." why? | |||
"If the majority of the working class electorate do go and vote then we will exit the EU. But on another point...any Country that took the euro as their currency, there was a 10% to 12% rise on the cost of living immediately. Not saying England will ever take the euro as our currency. But it's inevitable if we leave the cost of our day to day living will rise rapidly. why?" Strangely I find myself agreeing with CandM4U! There's no real evidence that day to day living will go up / quickly, the impact of a leave would be longer term | |||
"If the majority of the working class electorate do go and vote then we will exit the EU. But on another point...any Country that took the euro as their currency, there was a 10% to 12% rise on the cost of living immediately. Not saying England will ever take the euro as our currency. But it's inevitable if we leave the cost of our day to day living will rise rapidly. why? Strangely I find myself agreeing with CandM4U! There's no real evidence that day to day living will go up / quickly, the impact of a leave would be longer term" what do you mean strangely?
we agree on lots of things when you've thought about it and realise I'm right
Only joking, I do actually agree with you on a lot of things | |||
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"If the majority of the working class electorate do go and vote then we will exit the EU. But on another point...any Country that took the euro as their currency, there was a 10% to 12% rise on the cost of living immediately. Not saying England will ever take the euro as our currency. But it's inevitable if we leave the cost of our day to day living will rise rapidly. why? Strangely I find myself agreeing with CandM4U! There's no real evidence that day to day living will go up / quickly, the impact of a leave would be longer term what do you mean strangely?
we agree on lots of things when you've thought about it and realise I'm right
Only joking, I do actually agree with you on a lot of things"Probably just the EU issue then
I think the case to remain is strong enough without resorting to bullshit about food shortages and LGBT rights!! | |||
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"The only reason for an immediate increase in day to day living is back in to my original point. Exploitation of the masses by greedy corporations. Oil shouldn't go up, so petrol should be ok. Gas and electricity, why would it increase? Only non seasonal food should really increase. Besides the ministers have Already said that they will Vito any wholesale changes should we leave. On radio 4 there was an interview with Lord someone or other who said that the house of commons would probably bring in law so nothing would really change anyway. Sorry for the vagueness but I have short term memory issues. (head injury) " Again, how is a 5% profit greedy? | |||
"Watching C4 at the moment and remain will not answer the question about the Turkish 1 million EU visas that is going to be discussed in Brusells on the 30th of this month " maybe cos its bollocks? | |||
"Watching C4 at the moment and remain will not answer the question about the Turkish 1 million EU visas that is going to be discussed in Brusells on the 30th of this month maybe cos its bollocks?" Well it was officially announced by the Eu to AFP Agency .... Those of a more cynical frame of mind than myself would say that the Eu has kept back all the bad news until after the vote ... unfortunately one of the 5 EU Presidents (Juncker) today let the cat out of the bag when he said the EU will not make any further changes. Totally contrary to what the Remain have all been saying. especially the 'Labour In' people. "Its better to stay in and make changes ..." Err or not as the case may be.  | |||
"Watching C4 at the moment and remain will not answer the question about the Turkish 1 million EU visas that is going to be discussed in Brusells on the 30th of this month maybe cos its bollocks? Well it was officially announced by the Eu to AFP Agency .... Those of a more cynical frame of mind than myself would say that the Eu has kept back all the bad news until after the vote ... unfortunately one of the 5 EU Presidents (Juncker) today let the cat out of the bag when he said the EU will not make any further changes. Totally contrary to what the Remain have all been saying. especially the 'Labour In' people. "Its better to stay in and make changes ..." Err or not as the case may be. "why would they release it before the vote when they dont want us to go.. or do they.. | |||
"If the majority of the working class electorate do go and vote then we will exit the EU. But on another point...any Country that took the euro as their currency, there was a 10% to 12% rise on the cost of living immediately. Not saying England will ever take the euro as our currency. But it's inevitable if we leave the cost of our day to day living will rise rapidly. why? Strangely I find myself agreeing with CandM4U! There's no real evidence that day to day living will go up / quickly, the impact of a leave would be longer term" we will have to renegotiate all our trade deals as quite a lot are subsidised. | |||
"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? 4-5% margin seems to be the estimates So how does 4-5% equate to 'greedy'? The average of a traded company is 8% by the way. " I didn't say it was. | |||
"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? 4-5% margin seems to be the estimates So how does 4-5% equate to 'greedy'? The average of a traded company is 8% by the way. I didn't say it was. " I know but I was hoping someone might answer the question... | |||
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"Yes it was on the radio a recording of Juncker stati g that there is no more deals or offers to be made we either accept it or not. Bottom line is that we are either in with all of thier rules without question or we are out simples. I'm out!!! " Oh right! Where are you emigrating? | |||
"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? 4-5% margin seems to be the estimates So how does 4-5% equate to 'greedy'? The average of a traded company is 8% by the way. I didn't say it was. I know but I was hoping someone might answer the question..." Well then is suppose that answer would be that that profit figure is heavily massaged down so its dofficult to work our a real meargin (even that figure is a 3rd party estimate) But the main argument from people would be that because they provide lifes essentials they should take a more minimal profit than say a luxury car company. Now i imagine supermarkets do actually run the majority of essentials as loss leaders or barely break even and make the majority on thier luxury sales but that would be the basis of most arguments. Simmialr to the debates around gas electric and water providers. Should life essentials be profited on for share holders or perhaps ran as a non profit excercise with all profit reinvested. Which sounds great but of course without public shares they would struggle greatly with raising capital and would likley end up only running in profitable areas which would cause the rural areas to suffer etc. Theres a lot of points to be made for both sides in all honesty | |||
"Yes it was on the radio a recording of Juncker stati g that there is no more deals or offers to be made we either accept it or not. Bottom line is that we are either in with all of thier rules without question or we are out simples. I'm out!!! Oh right! Where are you emigrating?"  | |||
"The only reason for an immediate increase in day to day living is back in to my original point. Exploitation of the masses by greedy corporations. Oil shouldn't go up, so petrol should be ok. Gas and electricity, why would it increase? Only non seasonal food should really increase. Besides the ministers have Already said that they will Vito any wholesale changes should we leave. On radio 4 there was an interview with Lord someone or other who said that the house of commons would probably bring in law so nothing would really change anyway. Sorry for the vagueness but I have short term memory issues. (head injury) Again, how is a 5% profit greedy? " 5% of a billion is a lot. | |||
"The only reason for an immediate increase in day to day living is back in to my original point. Exploitation of the masses by greedy corporations. Oil shouldn't go up, so petrol should be ok. Gas and electricity, why would it increase? Only non seasonal food should really increase. Besides the ministers have Already said that they will Vito any wholesale changes should we leave. On radio 4 there was an interview with Lord someone or other who said that the house of commons would probably bring in law so nothing would really change anyway. Sorry for the vagueness but I have short term memory issues. (head injury) Again, how is a 5% profit greedy? 5% of a billion is a lot. " 50 million? People have won more on the lottery | |||
"The only reason for an immediate increase in day to day living is back in to my original point. Exploitation of the masses by greedy corporations. Oil shouldn't go up, so petrol should be ok. Gas and electricity, why would it increase? Only non seasonal food should really increase. Besides the ministers have Already said that they will Vito any wholesale changes should we leave. On radio 4 there was an interview with Lord someone or other who said that the house of commons would probably bring in law so nothing would really change anyway. Sorry for the vagueness but I have short term memory issues. (head injury) Again, how is a 5% profit greedy? 5% of a billion is a lot. " If you are anti-capitalist then just say that you don't like the system. But your comment shows an enormous ignorance of how stock markets work. Don't hate the player, hate the game. | |||
"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? 4-5% margin seems to be the estimates So how does 4-5% equate to 'greedy'? The average of a traded company is 8% by the way. I didn't say it was. I know but I was hoping someone might answer the question... Well then is suppose that answer would be that that profit figure is heavily massaged down so its dofficult to work our a real meargin (even that figure is a 3rd party estimate) But the main argument from people would be that because they provide lifes essentials they should take a more minimal profit than say a luxury car company. Now i imagine supermarkets do actually run the majority of essentials as loss leaders or barely break even and make the majority on thier luxury sales but that would be the basis of most arguments. Simmialr to the debates around gas electric and water providers. Should life essentials be profited on for share holders or perhaps ran as a non profit excercise with all profit reinvested. Which sounds great but of course without public shares they would struggle greatly with raising capital and would likley end up only running in profitable areas which would cause the rural areas to suffer etc. Theres a lot of points to be made for both sides in all honesty " Massaged down!!! You know the vast majority of fraud cases are CEO's inflating profits, they don't have a lot of incentive to massage down... How much lower than 4% do you want? Why would a rational person stick their money in a business and all the risks it carries when they could get 2% interest on government bonds? | |||
"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? 4-5% margin seems to be the estimates So how does 4-5% equate to 'greedy'? The average of a traded company is 8% by the way. I didn't say it was. I know but I was hoping someone might answer the question... Well then is suppose that answer would be that that profit figure is heavily massaged down so its dofficult to work our a real meargin (even that figure is a 3rd party estimate) But the main argument from people would be that because they provide lifes essentials they should take a more minimal profit than say a luxury car company. Now i imagine supermarkets do actually run the majority of essentials as loss leaders or barely break even and make the majority on thier luxury sales but that would be the basis of most arguments. Simmialr to the debates around gas electric and water providers. Should life essentials be profited on for share holders or perhaps ran as a non profit excercise with all profit reinvested. Which sounds great but of course without public shares they would struggle greatly with raising capital and would likley end up only running in profitable areas which would cause the rural areas to suffer etc. Theres a lot of points to be made for both sides in all honesty Massaged down!!! You know the vast majority of fraud cases are CEO's inflating profits, they don't have a lot of incentive to massage down... How much lower than 4% do you want? Why would a rational person stick their money in a business and all the risks it carries when they could get 2% interest on government bonds? " Sure they do, profits get taxed. Tax avoidance and offesting schemes leave profit figures in ruins especialy for international companies. And your second paragraph kinda shows you didnt read my post at all and are iust resorting to cheap rhetoric to argue with a person who is acrually on the same side of the debate as you. I presented some views from both sides. You even made a point that i brought up that they would find rasing capital difficult. Try not getting all internet angry and going to the cheap falicies and tactics Debate is much more fun when you can look at both sides equally. | |||
"Watching C4 at the moment and remain will not answer the question about the Turkish 1 million EU visas that is going to be discussed in Brusells on the 30th of this month " you must have missed that discussion... because it is a total red herring... the visa issue is only in regards to tourist travel within schengen and only last 90 days.... basically it means that turks won't been visas to go on holiday.... any turks who want to live and work in the schengen area will still need the required visa's and work permits.... and since the UK isn't part of Schengen area.... ANY turk who wants to come to the uk to live and work... or come on holiday... will need the required visa's and work permits..... here to help....... | |||
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"The only reason for an immediate increase in day to day living is back in to my original point. Exploitation of the masses by greedy corporations. Oil shouldn't go up, so petrol should be ok. Gas and electricity, why would it increase? Only non seasonal food should really increase. Besides the ministers have Already said that they will Vito any wholesale changes should we leave. On radio 4 there was an interview with Lord someone or other who said that the house of commons would probably bring in law so nothing would really change anyway. Sorry for the vagueness but I have short term memory issues. (head injury) " oil, gas and electricity are all traded in dollars... so if there is a slump in the pound then it will send up prices..... | |||
"Maybe it's a good thing if supermarket prices go up. Maybe we'll see a return to the high street of unusual shops like...oh i don't know..the greengrocer, the butcher, the baker, maybe even a candlestick maker, all able to compete with the greedy all encompassing supermarkets. Do you know the profit margin of an average supermarket? What exactly makes them 'greedy'? 4-5% margin seems to be the estimates So how does 4-5% equate to 'greedy'? The average of a traded company is 8% by the way. I didn't say it was. I know but I was hoping someone might answer the question... Well then is suppose that answer would be that that profit figure is heavily massaged down so its dofficult to work our a real meargin (even that figure is a 3rd party estimate) But the main argument from people would be that because they provide lifes essentials they should take a more minimal profit than say a luxury car company. Now i imagine supermarkets do actually run the majority of essentials as loss leaders or barely break even and make the majority on thier luxury sales but that would be the basis of most arguments. Simmialr to the debates around gas electric and water providers. Should life essentials be profited on for share holders or perhaps ran as a non profit excercise with all profit reinvested. Which sounds great but of course without public shares they would struggle greatly with raising capital and would likley end up only running in profitable areas which would cause the rural areas to suffer etc. Theres a lot of points to be made for both sides in all honesty Massaged down!!! You know the vast majority of fraud cases are CEO's inflating profits, they don't have a lot of incentive to massage down... How much lower than 4% do you want? Why would a rational person stick their money in a business and all the risks it carries when they could get 2% interest on government bonds? Sure they do, profits get taxed. Tax avoidance and offesting schemes leave profit figures in ruins especialy for international companies. And your second paragraph kinda shows you didnt read my post at all and are iust resorting to cheap rhetoric to argue with a person who is acrually on the same side of the debate as you. I presented some views from both sides. You even made a point that i brought up that they would find rasing capital difficult. Try not getting all internet angry and going to the cheap falicies and tactics Debate is much more fun when you can look at both sides equally." I meant 'you' in the collective sense! I ain't angry at you either, you're not even on our extensive blocked list! So if the profits are massaged down, then the CEO isn't greedy because they are sacrificing some of their bonus in the process! Besides, if everyone is massaging down then supermarkets are still making half the profits of the average company. I get what you're doing, I just can't understand why any rational person would single out supermarkets as a greedy industry. I wouldn't be on here defending banking or even some tech companies but supermarkets! Really!! | |||
"The only reason for an immediate increase in day to day living is back in to my original point. Exploitation of the masses by greedy corporations. Oil shouldn't go up, so petrol should be ok. Gas and electricity, why would it increase? Only non seasonal food should really increase. Besides the ministers have Already said that they will Vito any wholesale changes should we leave. On radio 4 there was an interview with Lord someone or other who said that the house of commons would probably bring in law so nothing would really change anyway. Sorry for the vagueness but I have short term memory issues. (head injury) " Gas and Electricity bills could go down if the country votes to Leave. The Leave campaign have suggested that VAT on energy bills should be cut to below 5%, something which our government can't currently do as members of the EU because EU rules prevent them from doing so. | |||
"The only reason for an immediate increase in day to day living is back in to my original point. Exploitation of the masses by greedy corporations. Oil shouldn't go up, so petrol should be ok. Gas and electricity, why would it increase? Only non seasonal food should really increase. Besides the ministers have Already said that they will Vito any wholesale changes should we leave. On radio 4 there was an interview with Lord someone or other who said that the house of commons would probably bring in law so nothing would really change anyway. Sorry for the vagueness but I have short term memory issues. (head injury) Gas and Electricity bills could go down if the country votes to Leave. The Leave campaign have suggested that VAT on energy bills should be cut to below 5%, something which our government can't currently do as members of the EU because EU rules prevent them from doing so. " They could also go down if the government unfucked the ridiculous market structure that it has artifically imposed and prevents any real competition | |||
"The only reason for an immediate increase in day to day living is back in to my original point. Exploitation of the masses by greedy corporations. Oil shouldn't go up, so petrol should be ok. Gas and electricity, why would it increase? Only non seasonal food should really increase. Besides the ministers have Already said that they will Vito any wholesale changes should we leave. On radio 4 there was an interview with Lord someone or other who said that the house of commons would probably bring in law so nothing would really change anyway. Sorry for the vagueness but I have short term memory issues. (head injury) Gas and Electricity bills could go down if the country votes to Leave. The Leave campaign have suggested that VAT on energy bills should be cut to below 5%, something which our government can't currently do as members of the EU because EU rules prevent them from doing so. " Yes, they'll be getting right onto that, straight after they've written that £350M cheque to the NHS! Honestly, if the Leave campaign said the money would be used to send a champagne hamper to every household in the UK you'd treat it like it might actually happen! | |||
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"I've only just made my mind up with how I am voting yet I'm still not 100% certain I am doing the right thing. There is scaremongering from both sides and it's not clear enough what will happen with either outcome. One thing I do know though, no one should feel ashamed or pressured to vote a certain way because of someone else's opinion, it should be theirs alone and we should be able to make an informed decision on our own, it's taken me a very long time to come to my decision and my gut is telling me I have made the wrong one but maybe it's the uncertainty of our future? I don't know. Who knows what will really happen in the next couple of years if we leave or stay, I imagine and I might be wrong, if we stay pretty much everything will remain the same as it is now, so maybe if it ain't broke etc? But if we leave maybe we will see an improvement with the country? I don't know I think I've just put myself in a pickle again!! Good luck to all those that have made their minds up and stuck to it; I applaud you for being able to make that choice and understand it all because I certainly don't which is why everything is so hard for me to make that choice. Think I might go and live under a rock few a few days G x" If it takes a weight off your mind, it's unlikely to be a particularly close vote | |||
"I've only just made my mind up with how I am voting yet I'm still not 100% certain I am doing the right thing. There is scaremongering from both sides and it's not clear enough what will happen with either outcome. One thing I do know though, no one should feel ashamed or pressured to vote a certain way because of someone else's opinion, it should be theirs alone and we should be able to make an informed decision on our own, it's taken me a very long time to come to my decision and my gut is telling me I have made the wrong one but maybe it's the uncertainty of our future? I don't know. Who knows what will really happen in the next couple of years if we leave or stay, I imagine and I might be wrong, if we stay pretty much everything will remain the same as it is now, so maybe if it ain't broke etc? But if we leave maybe we will see an improvement with the country? I don't know I think I've just put myself in a pickle again!! Good luck to all those that have made their minds up and stuck to it; I applaud you for being able to make that choice and understand it all because I certainly don't which is why everything is so hard for me to make that choice. Think I might go and live under a rock few a few days G x If it takes a weight off your mind, it's unlikely to be a particularly close vote " I've started to actually get a bit anxious about the whole thing to be honest, I've got married, had babies, in the process of a divorce and relocating, yet this seems like the biggest decision I've had to make!! | |||
"I've only just made my mind up with how I am voting yet I'm still not 100% certain I am doing the right thing. There is scaremongering from both sides and it's not clear enough what will happen with either outcome. One thing I do know though, no one should feel ashamed or pressured to vote a certain way because of someone else's opinion, it should be theirs alone and we should be able to make an informed decision on our own, it's taken me a very long time to come to my decision and my gut is telling me I have made the wrong one but maybe it's the uncertainty of our future? I don't know. Who knows what will really happen in the next couple of years if we leave or stay, I imagine and I might be wrong, if we stay pretty much everything will remain the same as it is now, so maybe if it ain't broke etc? But if we leave maybe we will see an improvement with the country? I don't know I think I've just put myself in a pickle again!! Good luck to all those that have made their minds up and stuck to it; I applaud you for being able to make that choice and understand it all because I certainly don't which is why everything is so hard for me to make that choice. Think I might go and live under a rock few a few days G x If it takes a weight off your mind, it's unlikely to be a particularly close vote I've started to actually get a bit anxious about the whole thing to be honest, I've got married, had babies, in the process of a divorce and relocating, yet this seems like the biggest decision I've had to make!!" It's good that you take your civic duty seriously, but this should ease your tension: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/515488 | |||
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"This was written by a financial expert.... one that, unlike the remain experts, predicted the crash of 2008. One that also predicted that our entry into the ERM would be catastrophic. One that predicted that our economy would not collapse if we didn't join the euro - Apparently the UK will be worse off and face economic doom if the UK leaves the EU. They’ve based their forecasts on some ridiculous, complicated and, quite frankly, unrealistic formulas. Let me give you a taste of their duplicity: They say that the pound will fall by between 12% and 20%, which will make imports more expensive, push up inflation and force the Bank of England to increase interest rates. They then say that we will have WTO tariffs imposed on our exports and that will make them expensive in Europe and damage our businesses. They then say that this will cost the UK a TOTAL of £40 billion between now and 2030. 14 years. That’s around £2.8 billion per year. The Remain campaign has said that this will cost each household £4,300 over the whole period. While the Treasury has said that this is a completely fictitious number. Let’s take it as being true. That works out at approximately £300 per family per year. I want you to remember that number. Now I’m going to show you how much better off the UK could be outside of the EU, and how, in plain simple language that everyone can understand. First, we come out of the EU. We no longer pay a gross £18.2 billion to the EU. (I’ll come to the subsidies and other payments the EU gives back to the UK in a couple of minutes… they total about £8 billion, by the way). Let’s assume that the EU, wanting to punish us as hard as they can, impose the maximum 10% WTO tariff on our exports. That will raise the individual countries of the EU a gross £20 billion (and the unelected EU commission still a gross £18 billion worse off…. Watch the EU revise upwards the payments that individual countries have to make). That makes our exports 10% dearer. That’s bad news…but get this… the pound fell 20%... so our exports are actually 10% cheaper! Our exporters get a big uptake in their sales to Europe… and the UK government gain extra corporation tax…. approximately £2 billion in tax. So the government’s revenues are now £20 billion better off each year. Now, let’s turn our attention to imports from the EU. We, in retaliation to the WTO tariffs imposed by Europe, do the same. That 10% tariff imposed on EU imports raises the UK government an extra £30 billion per year. Now the government has an extra £50 billion a year to play with. But, inflation will rise (and fall out of the equation after a year). We’ll tackle this in a moment. Let’s first look at what the UK government could do with the extra £50 billion a year they have to spend. First, let’s eliminate VAT on utility bills (something we can’t do under EU rules). That costs £1.7 billion which goes straight into the pockets of every household in the UK. Now, let’s reduce VAT by 5% to 15%. A reduction in VAT, a regressive tax, helps the poorer most. A 5% reduction in VAT will cost approximately £25 billion. Oh, and it reduces prices in the high street. That inflation problem that the doomsters are telling you about… it doesn’t take a year to solve, it’s solved straight away. But the neat trick here is that exports from the EU are still more expensive, and so British companies gain competitiveness both here and abroad! More sales, more jobs. More jobs = more income taxes. Let’s say another billion in the government’s coffers. The government has now given back to the British people a total of £26.7 billion, and still has an extra £18 billion in its coffers. Let me put this in plain numbers for you…. Every household in the UK would be, on average, £900 per year better off… every year… that’s a total of £12,600 over the 14 year period of the Treasury’s forecast. But we still haven’t finished…. We have £18 billion remaining to spend, every year for 14 years. So, first off, the NHS is in deficit by £2.5 billion per year. Let’s give the NHS £5 billion. That’s real money for the NHS to improve services and eliminate its debt. To train our own Doctors, nurses and medical staff. The NHS is saved and improved. We have £13 billion remaining. That £8 billion the country ‘lost’ in EU subsidies and ‘giveaways’… let’s replace that with £8 billion of our own money. That’s £5 billion left….. what to do with this…. How about we use it as incentives for foreign firms to invest in the UK, creating jobs, increasing both corporation tax and income tax…. • The economic positive impact of leaving the EU: • A minimum of £900 per family better off every year; • More jobs, better pay; • More inward investment; • More corporate profits; • More income tax and corporation tax; • Lower VAT; • Increased competitiveness at home and abroad. And a net improvement in the UK economy of around £700 billion to £1 trillion through to 2030… or the equivalent of 2.5% of extra GDP growth every year. " Can we get a name and source? | |||
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" The Leave campaign have suggested that VAT on energy bills should be cut to below 5%, something which our government can't currently do as members of the EU because EU rules prevent them from doing so. " but this would never have been a discussion in the first place if: 1)leave campaigner and former tory chancellor lord lawson had not put it on in the first place (levy at 8%) 2) the next tory government then proposed raising it from 8% to 15%.... and it was defeated in a backbench rebelion.... it was a labour govt that actually lowered it to 5%...... so... now knowing this.... do you believe any tory politician when they say this would be scrapped.... because i am willing to bet you it is the first promise that would be sacrificed if the economy does take a turn and the coffers are bare..... | |||
"If the majority of the working class electorate do go and vote then we will exit the EU. But on another point...any Country that took the euro as their currency, there was a 10% to 12% rise on the cost of living immediately. Not saying England will ever take the euro as our currency. But it's inevitable if we leave the cost of our day to day living will rise rapidly. why? " Yes indeed. Why precisely? There are many factors in global trade that affect prices but generally prices reduce as volumes increase ... Its why oil is at its lowest prices for decades. " Strangely I find myself agreeing with CandM4U! There's no real evidence that day to day living will go up / quickly, the impact of a leave would be longer term we will have to renegotiate all our trade deals as quite a lot are subsidised. " Sorry we already have bilateral trade agreements with all the major countries and trading blocks (like NAFTA). The only thing that will change in the short term will be a reduction in import Tariffs into the UK which are held high by the EU to protect its 'Single Market'. Indeed because we are part of the Commonwealth we have more preferential trade Tariffs with 53 countries around the world than our EU 'partners'. Countries like Canada, Australia and New Zealand. We will regain our seat at the WTO (rather than be 1/28th of the EU seat) and as a member the EU could not penalise us against other countries. Oh and our exports are not subsidised. Its against WTO rules unless declared and approved. | |||
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"Ok so lot's of shop's Tesco etc.. And retailers have come out saying that food prices will increase if we leave. There is a whole other debate to be had about importing food etc when we have a perfectly good farming industry. My point is. They all realise that the writing is on the wall and a vote leave result is almost certain. Have they started rubbing their greedy hands together looking at another way to exploit Joe public once again. Siteing Eu exit for food increase? Given that lots of the tech comes from the far east, meat from Argentina. And many shops now support British agriculture. Once again, excuse the pun but we are going to be a cash cow for corporate companies. Exit or not. We're fucked! " Very true the government win either way and we lose out, would they really give the people the option to vote in / out if it could do that much damage. Most of the propaganda you see or hear is to leave so if prices/interest rates rise the government can say told you so and if we stay others will say how worse of in the EU we are. Win win for the government either way and as usual we'll be fucked. | |||
