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"That isn't going to happen for a loooong time! Electoral suicide for any party agreeing to that in their manifesto" Maybe but a there is a world of difference between a long time & never! | |||
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"That isn't going to happen for a loooong time! Electoral suicide for any party agreeing to that in their manifesto" you wont have a choice the EU that you join will decide (have decided ) that for you..cmon..you dont think this isnt rigged do you...it wont be david the weasels fault it will be because we chose to be part of the eu and euros are part of that..'the right thing' blah blah..  | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen...." It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to." who's 'we'? | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to." The problem in your statement is the word "we"... If we remain then we have no say in what happens to us.... what the EU wants the EU gets.. look at its history.. born as the EEC for economic reasons.. but we got flags, governments and unelected presidents... imagine what you'll have 20 years from now! | |||
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I think I would have made a good hippy, let's make love not war  | |||
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"I'm looking forwards to Friday : almost the weekend, and all the 'for' and 'against' electioneering will be finally over! Ok then we have the post mortem kick off irrespective on which side ultimately wins but hopefully we can all start loving each other again rather than fighting like we all have for the last few months (in scenes terribly reminiscent of the Scottish devolution vote)
I think I would have made a good hippy, let's make love not war "i am a hippie..lets go..humans are morons  | |||
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"I'm looking forwards to Friday : almost the weekend, and all the 'for' and 'against' electioneering will be finally over! Ok then we have the post mortem kick off irrespective on which side ultimately wins but hopefully we can all start loving each other again rather than fighting like we all have for the last few months (in scenes terribly reminiscent of the Scottish devolution vote)
I think I would have made a good hippy, let's make love not war i am a hippie..lets go..humans are morons "    | |||
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"I'm looking forwards to Friday : almost the weekend, and all the 'for' and 'against' electioneering will be finally over! Ok then we have the post mortem kick off irrespective on which side ultimately wins but hopefully we can all start loving each other again rather than fighting like we all have for the last few months (in scenes terribly reminiscent of the Scottish devolution vote)
I think I would have made a good hippy, let's make love not war i am a hippie..lets go..humans are morons
" ..you know im planning on coming to get you, don't you? | |||
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"I'm looking forwards to Friday : almost the weekend, and all the 'for' and 'against' electioneering will be finally over! Ok then we have the post mortem kick off irrespective on which side ultimately wins but hopefully we can all start loving each other again rather than fighting like we all have for the last few months (in scenes terribly reminiscent of the Scottish devolution vote)
I think I would have made a good hippy, let's make love not war i am a hippie..lets go..humans are morons
..you know im planning on coming to get you, don't you? "Ooh I hope so ...  lol ... there are witnesses, I'm taking legal recourse if you don't now y'know x | |||
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"I'm looking forwards to Friday : almost the weekend, and all the 'for' and 'against' electioneering will be finally over! Ok then we have the post mortem kick off irrespective on which side ultimately wins but hopefully we can all start loving each other again rather than fighting like we all have for the last few months (in scenes terribly reminiscent of the Scottish devolution vote)
I think I would have made a good hippy, let's make love not war i am a hippie..lets go..humans are morons
..you know im planning on coming to get you, don't you?
Ooh I hope so ... lol ... there are witnesses, I'm taking legal recourse if you don't now y'know x"dont worry .i have a plan..it doesnt matter if we are in or out of the EU, no referendum, rigged or otherwise..required..just get your best hippie clothes out... | |||
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"just the latest scare mongering from the leave side " It's not scaremongering it was said quite clearly by Michael heseltine who is a major part of the remain campaign. | |||
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"I'm looking forwards to Friday : almost the weekend, and all the 'for' and 'against' electioneering will be finally over! Ok then we have the post mortem kick off irrespective on which side ultimately wins but hopefully we can all start loving each other again rather than fighting like we all have for the last few months (in scenes terribly reminiscent of the Scottish devolution vote)
I think I would have made a good hippy, let's make love not war i am a hippie..lets go..humans are morons
..you know im planning on coming to get you, don't you?
Ooh I hope so ... lol ... there are witnesses, I'm taking legal recourse if you don't now y'know x dont worry .i have a plan..it doesnt matter if we are in or out of the EU, no referendum, rigged or otherwise..required..just get your best hippie clothes out... "I'm liking the Boho skirt idea x | |||
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"I'm looking forwards to Friday : almost the weekend, and all the 'for' and 'against' electioneering will be finally over! Ok then we have the post mortem kick off irrespective on which side ultimately wins but hopefully we can all start loving each other again rather than fighting like we all have for the last few months (in scenes terribly reminiscent of the Scottish devolution vote)
I think I would have made a good hippy, let's make love not war i am a hippie..lets go..humans are morons
..you know im planning on coming to get you, don't you?
Ooh I hope so ... lol ... there are witnesses, I'm taking legal recourse if you don't now y'know x dont worry .i have a plan..it doesnt matter if we are in or out of the EU, no referendum, rigged or otherwise..required..just get your best hippie clothes out...
I'm liking the Boho skirt idea x"its a classic | |||
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"I'm looking forwards to Friday : almost the weekend, and all the 'for' and 'against' electioneering will be finally over! Ok then we have the post mortem kick off irrespective on which side ultimately wins but hopefully we can all start loving each other again rather than fighting like we all have for the last few months (in scenes terribly reminiscent of the Scottish devolution vote)
I think I would have made a good hippy, let's make love not war i am a hippie..lets go..humans are morons
..you know im planning on coming to get you, don't you?
Ooh I hope so ... lol ... there are witnesses, I'm taking legal recourse if you don't now y'know x dont worry .i have a plan..it doesnt matter if we are in or out of the EU, no referendum, rigged or otherwise..required..just get your best hippie clothes out...
I'm liking the Boho skirt idea xits a classic "It sure is petal x | |||
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"Well if Heseltine said it, it must be true then "Glad to see the interlectuals are up and about early today! | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'?" Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to." If you beleive that you will believe anything | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum." well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU? | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to." A veto is only any use if the government use it....if they don't we are stuck with it....can't vote in a different government in five years who can change it....same with the Turkey issue! | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU?" What if my aunt was my uncle? | |||
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"If we remain in the EU, will we be punished for daring to have the audacity to question the EU? Could be the start of a slippery slope..." ................Agreed.....if the EU want it..the EU will get it and we will have no say in it what so ever...it's a dictatorship. | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen...." It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be true. Ted Heath took Britain into what is now called the EU back in the 1970's based on a pack of lies. He claimed back then it was a simple trade deal, (the common market) and nothing more, but after he retired he admitted in interviews he knew all along the future plans for the EU with ever closer political union and one € European currency, etc. He didn't tell the public back in the 70's because he knew it would have been rejected and Britain would have voted to Leave in 1975. Basically all the British public were conned back then and they are being conned now. The EU five presidents report clearly states that it wants ever closer political union (effectively a united states of Europe) and ever closer monetary union (which means all members must eventually accept the € single currency). | |||
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"Centaur, have you still not puzzled out that Ford Southampton assembly plant conundrum yet??" It closed and moved to Turkey. End of story. | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU? What if my aunt was my uncle?" Wrong thread. I think that's under the advice section | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to." Since joining the EU, we've been stripped of 70 powers of veto. The stated endgame of the EU is a federal republic, with all that implies - single currency, legislature, legal system, army, police force etc, etc. (all run by an unelected elite) If we vote to stay, this is the path we commit ourselves to. Oh we'll huff and puff and delay as long as we can, but unless the EU collapses first, we will be absorbed into the EUSR, being just another province. | |||
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"Centaur, have you still not puzzled out that Ford Southampton assembly plant conundrum yet?? It closed and moved to Turkey. End of story. " Is it?, you seem to love trumpeting it as another example of 'EU bad' but can't say how how many jobs were created at the Dagenham and Bridgend engine plants? (which haven't closed and moved to Turkey) | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to." Yeah, the same veto we have used loads of times..... and failed to get anything to go our way, at all, ever, not once..... good luck with that  | |||
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"Centaur, have you still not puzzled out that Ford Southampton assembly plant conundrum yet?? It closed and moved to Turkey. End of story. Is it?, you seem to love trumpeting it as another example of 'EU bad' but can't say how how many jobs were created at the Dagenham and Bridgend engine plants? (which haven't closed and moved to Turkey)" How many jobs went at Dagenham? They were talking of turning it into a prison not that long ago. | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. Since joining the EU, we've been stripped of 70 powers of veto. The stated endgame of the EU is a federal republic, with all that implies - single currency, legislature, legal system, army, police force etc, etc. (all run by an unelected elite) If we vote to stay, this is the path we commit ourselves to. Oh we'll huff and puff and delay as long as we can, but unless the EU collapses first, we will be absorbed into the EUSR, being just another province." The EU is screwed, and it will happen faster if we vote to leave. Italy, Holland and now France all have rumblings about leaving too. | |||
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"Centaur, have you still not puzzled out that Ford Southampton assembly plant conundrum yet?? It closed and moved to Turkey. End of story. Is it?, you seem to love trumpeting it as another example of 'EU bad' but can't say how how many jobs were created at the Dagenham and Bridgend engine plants? (which haven't closed and moved to Turkey)" Those people that worked in Southampton still lost their jobs. | |||
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"Centaur, have you still not puzzled out that Ford Southampton assembly plant conundrum yet?? It closed and moved to Turkey. End of story. Is it?, you seem to love trumpeting it as another example of 'EU bad' but can't say how how many jobs were created at the Dagenham and Bridgend engine plants? (which haven't closed and moved to Turkey) Those people that worked in Southampton still lost their jobs. " I know, so did those at the Wayne Michigan plant when focus assembly was moved to Mexico, was that exporting jobs out of the EU or was it a result of a worldwide manufacturer with a worldwide supply chain making production efficiencies...just like the did at Southampton, how much investment and hoe many jobs at Dagenham and Bridgend again? | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'?" The British electorate. Cameron has said that vote on the pound would come before any attempt to join the Euro. Never going to happen. | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. If you beleive that you will believe anything" So how will our veto be over identify given it hasn't been in the past 40 years | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. If you beleive that you will believe anything" So how will our veto be over identify given it hasn't been in the past 40 years | |||
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"Centaur, have you still not puzzled out that Ford Southampton assembly plant conundrum yet?? It closed and moved to Turkey. End of story. Is it?, you seem to love trumpeting it as another example of 'EU bad' but can't say how how many jobs were created at the Dagenham and Bridgend engine plants? (which haven't closed and moved to Turkey) Those people that worked in Southampton still lost their jobs. I know, so did those at the Wayne Michigan plant when focus assembly was moved to Mexico, was that exporting jobs out of the EU or was it a result of a worldwide manufacturer with a worldwide supply chain making production efficiencies...just like the did at Southampton, how much investment and hoe many jobs at Dagenham and Bridgend again?" Dagenham is now a fraction of the size it use to be... | |||
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"just the latest scare mongering from the leave side "
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"Centaur, have you still not puzzled out that Ford Southampton assembly plant conundrum yet?? It closed and moved to Turkey. End of story. Is it?, you seem to love trumpeting it as another example of 'EU bad' but can't say how how many jobs were created at the Dagenham and Bridgend engine plants? (which haven't closed and moved to Turkey) Those people that worked in Southampton still lost their jobs. I know, so did those at the Wayne Michigan plant when focus assembly was moved to Mexico, was that exporting jobs out of the EU or was it a result of a worldwide manufacturer with a worldwide supply chain making production efficiencies...just like the did at Southampton, how much investment and hoe many jobs at Dagenham and Bridgend again? Dagenham is now a fraction of the size it use to be..." Wasting your breath, Fatty5000 thinks Dagenham is the best thing since sliced bread. | |||
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"I do find it incredible that people think that because we have a veto that automatically means it will not happen. Use of a veto is a choice and it's a choice that's made by politicians not by the people of the country. There won't be a referendum on the pound. If we remain then that will be scene as a green light to go ahead in any direction that our politicians and Europe want. " if only the people on the remain side actually spend time in Europe outside of the tourist zones... They would have changed their minds pretty quickly! | |||
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"Centaur, have you still not puzzled out that Ford Southampton assembly plant conundrum yet?? It closed and moved to Turkey. End of story. Is it?, you seem to love trumpeting it as another example of 'EU bad' but can't say how how many jobs were created at the Dagenham and Bridgend engine plants? (which haven't closed and moved to Turkey) Those people that worked in Southampton still lost their jobs. I know, so did those at the Wayne Michigan plant when focus assembly was moved to Mexico, was that exporting jobs out of the EU or was it a result of a worldwide manufacturer with a worldwide supply chain making production efficiencies...just like the did at Southampton, how much investment and hoe many jobs at Dagenham and Bridgend again? Dagenham is now a fraction of the size it use to be... Wasting your breath, Fatty5000 thinks Dagenham is the best thing since sliced bread. "But will you still keep parroting that 'Ford exported jobs outside the EU' nonsense even though it's been explained to you that it's bullshit? | |||
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"I do find it incredible that people think that because we have a veto that automatically means it will not happen. Use of a veto is a choice and it's a choice that's made by politicians not by the people of the country. There won't be a referendum on the pound. If we remain then that will be scene as a green light to go ahead in any direction that our politicians and Europe want. " Cameron has repeatedly refused to say he would use his veto on Turkey joining the EU during the whole of this referendum campaign. He's not said it because he won't use it when it comes down to it. | |||
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"The proof is in the pudding. We joined the EEC for economic and trading reasons.. We got flags, governments and presidents. Imagine what we will have 20 years from now.... everyone wave hello to the country called Europe. " The EU will have fallen apart by then it is crumbling now | |||
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"The proof is in the pudding. We joined the EEC for economic and trading reasons.. We got flags, governments and presidents. Imagine what we will have 20 years from now.... everyone wave hello to the country called Europe. The EU will have fallen apart by then it is crumbling now" Not if the Germans backed up by the French have anything to do with it it won't! | |||
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"you wont have a choice the EU that you join will decide (have decided ) that for you..cmon..you dont think this isnt rigged do you...it wont be david the weasels fault it will be because we chose to be part of the eu and euros are part of that..'the right thing' blah blah.. "I agree | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics."
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics." Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. " I just Googled his name, one of the first results to come up was a video of him saying it 4 hours ago. | |||
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"The proof is in the pudding. We joined the EEC for economic and trading reasons.. We got flags, governments and presidents. Imagine what we will have 20 years from now.... everyone wave hello to the country called Europe. " What would be wrong with a country called europe? It has kept the peace for soo long. The more nationalism comes back! The more chance for war. We in the west share the same basic values, what is wrong with intergration? and joining togeather to promote and protect those values? | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. I just Googled his name, one of the first results to come up was a video of him saying it 4 hours ago. " He said in time he thought the UK would join the Euro out of choice. He mentioned the changing attitude of younger people. Nothing about being forced into anything. Your claim is as accurate as your John Barnes claim earlier. Ha! | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. I just Googled his name, one of the first results to come up was a video of him saying it 4 hours ago. " Thank you | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. I just Googled his name, one of the first results to come up was a video of him saying it 4 hours ago. He said in time he thought the UK would join the Euro out of choice. He mentioned the changing attitude of younger people. Nothing about being forced into anything. Your claim is as accurate as your John Barnes claim earlier. Ha! "I never said anything about anyone being forced to do anything | |||
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"The proof is in the pudding. We joined the EEC for economic and trading reasons.. We got flags, governments and presidents. Imagine what we will have 20 years from now.... everyone wave hello to the country called Europe. What would be wrong with a country called europe? It has kept the peace for soo long. The more nationalism comes back! The more chance for war. We in the west share the same basic values, what is wrong with intergration? and joining togeather to promote and protect those values? " Because we are our own country | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. I just Googled his name, one of the first results to come up was a video of him saying it 4 hours ago. He said in time he thought the UK would join the Euro out of choice. He mentioned the changing attitude of younger people. Nothing about being forced into anything. Your claim is as accurate as your John Barnes claim earlier. Ha!
I never said anything about anyone being forced to do anything"Did I quote you? | |||
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"The proof is in the pudding. We joined the EEC for economic and trading reasons.. We got flags, governments and presidents. Imagine what we will have 20 years from now.... everyone wave hello to the country called Europe. What would be wrong with a country called europe? It has kept the peace for soo long. The more nationalism comes back! The more chance for war. We in the west share the same basic values, what is wrong with intergration? and joining togeather to promote and protect those values? " . What values are you on about, tell me those values and how the EU is promoting them and I may vote... Not in or out just vote | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. I just Googled his name, one of the first results to come up was a video of him saying it 4 hours ago. He said in time he thought the UK would join the Euro out of choice. He mentioned the changing attitude of younger people. Nothing about being forced into anything. Your claim is as accurate as your John Barnes claim earlier. Ha!
I never said anything about anyone being forced to do anything
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. I just Googled his name, one of the first results to come up was a video of him saying it 4 hours ago. He said in time he thought the UK would join the Euro out of choice. He mentioned the changing attitude of younger people. Nothing about being forced into anything. Your claim is as accurate as your John Barnes claim earlier. Ha!
I never said anything about anyone being forced to do anything"You did actually, now that I reread the OP. "we will have to dump the pound and join the euro" That implies being forced to. What a load of rubbish. Heseltine said nothing of the sort. | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. I just Googled his name, one of the first results to come up was a video of him saying it 4 hours ago. He said in time he thought the UK would join the Euro out of choice. He mentioned the changing attitude of younger people. Nothing about being forced into anything. Your claim is as accurate as your John Barnes claim earlier. Ha!
I never said anything about anyone being forced to do anything
You did actually, now that I reread the OP.
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. I just Googled his name, one of the first results to come up was a video of him saying it 4 hours ago. He said in time he thought the UK would join the Euro out of choice. He mentioned the changing attitude of younger people. Nothing about being forced into anything. Your claim is as accurate as your John Barnes claim earlier. Ha!
I never said anything about anyone being forced to do anything
You did actually, now that I reread the OP.
we will have to dump the pound and join the euro
That implies being forced to. What a load of rubbish. Heseltine said nothing of the sort.
Implication is not the same as stating as fact."Btw why don't you show your face rather than hiding in the dark of anonnimity? | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. I just Googled his name, one of the first results to come up was a video of him saying it 4 hours ago. He said in time he thought the UK would join the Euro out of choice. He mentioned the changing attitude of younger people. Nothing about being forced into anything. Your claim is as accurate as your John Barnes claim earlier. Ha!
I never said anything about anyone being forced to do anything
You did actually, now that I reread the OP.
we will have to dump the pound and join the euro
That implies being forced to. What a load of rubbish. Heseltine said nothing of the sort.
Implication is not the same as stating as fact."Why would you imply something that you know isn't fact? That's the definition of misleading. | |||
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"The proof is in the pudding. We joined the EEC for economic and trading reasons.. We got flags, governments and presidents. Imagine what we will have 20 years from now.... everyone wave hello to the country called Europe. What would be wrong with a country called europe? It has kept the peace for soo long. The more nationalism comes back! The more chance for war. We in the west share the same basic values, what is wrong with intergration? and joining togeather to promote and protect those values? Because we are our own country" One planet, one race human...the more we keep devideing ourselfs and puting barriers up the more intolerent we become, and the more problems start. | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro" In the words of Ali G: "absolute bullshit". | |||
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"The proof is in the pudding. We joined the EEC for economic and trading reasons.. We got flags, governments and presidents. Imagine what we will have 20 years from now.... everyone wave hello to the country called Europe. What would be wrong with a country called europe? It has kept the peace for soo long. The more nationalism comes back! The more chance for war. We in the west share the same basic values, what is wrong with intergration? and joining togeather to promote and protect those values? Because we are our own country One planet, one race human...the more we keep devideing ourselfs and puting barriers up the more intolerent we become, and the more problems start. " I'll agree with the superb Arse
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro In the words of Ali G: "absolute bullshit". " | |||
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"The proof is in the pudding. We joined the EEC for economic and trading reasons.. We got flags, governments and presidents. Imagine what we will have 20 years from now.... everyone wave hello to the country called Europe. What would be wrong with a country called europe? It has kept the peace for soo long. The more nationalism comes back! The more chance for war. We in the west share the same basic values, what is wrong with intergration? and joining togeather to promote and protect those values? Because we are our own country One planet, one race human...the more we keep devideing ourselfs and puting barriers up the more intolerent we become, and the more problems start. " . But I like dividing myself from fuckwits.... The world's full of fuckwits, 30% of this country are fuckwits, I can't do anything about that 30%, their gonna be fuckwits all their life and will probably produce fuckwits to follow in their fuckwits ways... However I would like to choose which of the 30% of fuckwits from other countries we let in | |||
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"The proof is in the pudding. We joined the EEC for economic and trading reasons.. We got flags, governments and presidents. Imagine what we will have 20 years from now.... everyone wave hello to the country called Europe. What would be wrong with a country called europe? It has kept the peace for soo long. The more nationalism comes back! The more chance for war. We in the west share the same basic values, what is wrong with intergration? and joining togeather to promote and protect those values? Because we are our own country One planet, one race human...the more we keep devideing ourselfs and puting barriers up the more intolerent we become, and the more problems start. . But I like dividing myself from fuckwits.... The world's full of fuckwits, 30% of this country are fuckwits, I can't do anything about that 30%, their gonna be fuckwits all their life and will probably produce fuckwits to follow in their fuckwits ways... However I would like to choose which of the 30% of fuckwits from other countries we let in " Actually it's only 25% fuckwits, source: south park episode 148 | |||
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"The proof is in the pudding. We joined the EEC for economic and trading reasons.. We got flags, governments and presidents. Imagine what we will have 20 years from now.... everyone wave hello to the country called Europe. What would be wrong with a country called europe? It has kept the peace for soo long. The more nationalism comes back! The more chance for war. We in the west share the same basic values, what is wrong with intergration? and joining togeather to promote and protect those values? Because we are our own country One planet, one race human...the more we keep devideing ourselfs and puting barriers up the more intolerent we become, and the more problems start. . But I like dividing myself from fuckwits.... The world's full of fuckwits, 30% of this country are fuckwits, I can't do anything about that 30%, their gonna be fuckwits all their life and will probably produce fuckwits to follow in their fuckwits ways... However I would like to choose which of the 30% of fuckwits from other countries we let in Actually it's only 25% fuckwits, source: south park episode 148" . I'll concede 5% maybe even 10% differential on which part of the UK you live in!. Fuckwits tend to congregate together like a successful people in reverse | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to." This exactly. The British public might have a different view of it in 20 or 30 years time. But if Thursdays referendum was join the euro or not, I know which way I would bet. We have a veto on joining the Euro. We have a veto on any new member states joining, we have a veto on a European army. Any big decisions that fundamentally change the EU have to be agreed by treaty change. For this to happen it has to be unanimously agreed by the heads of government of every member state. So as a country we just have to tell the Prime Minister we don't want that and he/she wont sign it. | |||
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"The proof is in the pudding. We joined the EEC for economic and trading reasons.. We got flags, governments and presidents. Imagine what we will have 20 years from now.... everyone wave hello to the country called Europe. What would be wrong with a country called europe? It has kept the peace for soo long. The more nationalism comes back! The more chance for war. We in the west share the same basic values, what is wrong with intergration? and joining togeather to promote and protect those values? Because we are our own country One planet, one race human...the more we keep devideing ourselfs and puting barriers up the more intolerent we become, and the more problems start. . But I like dividing myself from fuckwits.... The world's full of fuckwits, 30% of this country are fuckwits, I can't do anything about that 30%, their gonna be fuckwits all their life and will probably produce fuckwits to follow in their fuckwits ways... However I would like to choose which of the 30% of fuckwits from other countries we let in Actually it's only 25% fuckwits, source: south park episode 148. I'll concede 5% maybe even 10% differential on which part of the UK you live in!. Fuckwits tend to congregate together like a successful people in reverse" Yeah but there are different brands of stupid. Northerners are more likely to be gullible stupid whilst southerners are more likely to be ideologically stupid. | |||
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"The proof is in the pudding. We joined the EEC for economic and trading reasons.. We got flags, governments and presidents. Imagine what we will have 20 years from now.... everyone wave hello to the country called Europe. What would be wrong with a country called europe? It has kept the peace for soo long. The more nationalism comes back! The more chance for war. We in the west share the same basic values, what is wrong with intergration? and joining togeather to promote and protect those values? Because we are our own country" Ironically we're not! We are a union of 4 countries! | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. This exactly. The British public might have a different view of it in 20 or 30 years time. But if Thursdays referendum was join the euro or not, I know which way I would bet. We have a veto on joining the Euro. We have a veto on any new member states joining, we have a veto on a European army. Any big decisions that fundamentally change the EU have to be agreed by treaty change. For this to happen it has to be unanimously agreed by the heads of government of every member state. So as a country we just have to tell the Prime Minister we don't want that and he/she wont sign it. " I'll bet there won't be a euro in 20 years, it's on its knees now and it's a fundamentally flawed concept held together by the string of political will. It's on borrowed time... | |||
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"I don't see how you can compare the UK with what will be a united states of Europe in the not to distant future. And as for the power of veto, having it is not the same as using it. Today's EU is yesterday's EEC. Ask yourself the question, what does tomorrow bring?" Have you ever seen pictures of Afghanistan 100 years ago? It was a (relatively) nicely place!! Not everything carries on the same trajectory... | |||
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"I don't see how you can compare the UK with what will be a united states of Europe in the not to distant future. And as for the power of veto, having it is not the same as using it. Today's EU is yesterday's EEC. Ask yourself the question, what does tomorrow bring?" Is this a trick question? My guess is that tomorrow will bring loads more uninformed bollocks being posted on every messageboard in the country | |||
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"This is going around in circles. It will soon be Friday and we will know our direction..." If you look at the betting markets you'll know right now with a very good probability!! | |||
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"I don't see how you can compare the UK with what will be a united states of Europe in the not to distant future. And as for the power of veto, having it is not the same as using it. Today's EU is yesterday's EEC. Ask yourself the question, what does tomorrow bring?" Hungary v Portugal (5pm BBC1) Iceland v Austria (5pm BBC red button) Italy v Ireland (8pm itv) Sweden v Belgium (8pm itv4) | |||
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"This is going around in circles. It will soon be Friday and we will know our direction... If you look at the betting markets you'll know right now with a very good probability!!" Maybe Michael Heseltine will force them to drop the odds.  | |||
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"This is going around in circles. It will soon be Friday and we will know our direction... If you look at the betting markets you'll know right now with a very good probability!!" I'd rather deal with the result than bet on it | |||
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"I don't see how you can compare the UK with what will be a united states of Europe in the not to distant future. And as for the power of veto, having it is not the same as using it. Today's EU is yesterday's EEC. Ask yourself the question, what does tomorrow bring?" So you dont trust the government to use the veto? But isn't one of the central arguments of the Leave campaign about transferring power from Brussels to Westminster? If you don't trust the government with the power they have now, whu would you want them to have more? | |||
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"This is going around in circles. It will soon be Friday and we will know our direction... If you look at the betting markets you'll know right now with a very good probability!!" They normally get it correct... Hopefully wrong this time x | |||
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"This is going around in circles. It will soon be Friday and we will know our direction... If you look at the betting markets you'll know right now with a very good probability!! Maybe Michael Heseltine will force them to drop the odds. "Actually there was a huge, temporary fluctuation last week, which is very rare. My guess is it was Putin! | |||
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"This is going around in circles. It will soon be Friday and we will know our direction... If you look at the betting markets you'll know right now with a very good probability!! They normally get it correct... Hopefully wrong this time x" Well why not try emotional arbitrage then... bet on the outcome you don't want and you'll at least have a consolation prize | |||
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"This is going around in circles. It will soon be Friday and we will know our direction... If you look at the betting markets you'll know right now with a very good probability!! Maybe Michael Heseltine will force them to drop the odds.
Actually there was a huge, temporary fluctuation last week, which is very rare. My guess is it was Putin!"I do like a touch of sarcasm x | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. " So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! " Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one. | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one." There isn't a Euro government. I never said that I expect our country to run without a government. But you were saying that you didn't trust our democratically elected government to use a veto. So if you don't trust our government what do you want instead? | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one. There isn't a Euro government. I never said that I expect our country to run without a government. But you were saying that you didn't trust our democratically elected government to use a veto. So if you don't trust our government what do you want instead? " I would have thought that was pretty obvious | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one. There isn't a Euro government. I never said that I expect our country to run without a government. But you were saying that you didn't trust our democratically elected government to use a veto. So if you don't trust our government what do you want instead? I would have thought that was pretty obvious " Revolution? | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one. There isn't a Euro government. I never said that I expect our country to run without a government. But you were saying that you didn't trust our democratically elected government to use a veto. So if you don't trust our government what do you want instead? I would have thought that was pretty obvious " No, what do you want instead of a British government? | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one. There isn't a Euro government. I never said that I expect our country to run without a government. But you were saying that you didn't trust our democratically elected government to use a veto. So if you don't trust our government what do you want instead? I would have thought that was pretty obvious No, what do you want instead of a British government? " I've not said I don't want a british government | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one. There isn't a Euro government. I never said that I expect our country to run without a government. But you were saying that you didn't trust our democratically elected government to use a veto. So if you don't trust our government what do you want instead? I would have thought that was pretty obvious No, what do you want instead of a British government? I've not said I don't want a british government " But you dont trust a British government, right? | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one. There isn't a Euro government. I never said that I expect our country to run without a government. But you were saying that you didn't trust our democratically elected government to use a veto. So if you don't trust our government what do you want instead? I would have thought that was pretty obvious No, what do you want instead of a British government? I've not said I don't want a british government But you dont trust a British government, right? " Look I believe that most people in politics can't be trusted. In turn you could argue that means that I don't trust our government. But I would still choose our elected goverment over an unelected one. Countries can't operate without goverment. So trust them or not we have to have one. My choice is our own elected goverment. | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one. There isn't a Euro government. I never said that I expect our country to run without a government. But you were saying that you didn't trust our democratically elected government to use a veto. So if you don't trust our government what do you want instead? I would have thought that was pretty obvious No, what do you want instead of a British government? I've not said I don't want a british government But you dont trust a British government, right? Look I believe that most people in politics can't be trusted. In turn you could argue that means that I don't trust our government. But I would still choose our elected goverment over an unelected one. Countries can't operate without goverment. So trust them or not we have to have one. My choice is our own elected goverment." Ok, well we have our own elected government right now, and we are also a member of the EU, so the two aren't mutally exclusive. | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one. There isn't a Euro government. I never said that I expect our country to run without a government. But you were saying that you didn't trust our democratically elected government to use a veto. So if you don't trust our government what do you want instead? I would have thought that was pretty obvious No, what do you want instead of a British government? I've not said I don't want a british government But you dont trust a British government, right? Look I believe that most people in politics can't be trusted. In turn you could argue that means that I don't trust our government. But I would still choose our elected goverment over an unelected one. Countries can't operate without goverment. So trust them or not we have to have one. My choice is our own elected goverment. Ok, well we have our own elected government right now, and we are also a member of the EU, so the two aren't mutally exclusive." And on Friday we will know the direction we will follow. I for one will accept the voice of the people and move forward with that voice | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one. There isn't a Euro government. I never said that I expect our country to run without a government. But you were saying that you didn't trust our democratically elected government to use a veto. So if you don't trust our government what do you want instead? I would have thought that was pretty obvious No, what do you want instead of a British government? I've not said I don't want a british government But you dont trust a British government, right? Look I believe that most people in politics can't be trusted. In turn you could argue that means that I don't trust our government. But I would still choose our elected goverment over an unelected one. Countries can't operate without goverment. So trust them or not we have to have one. My choice is our own elected goverment. Ok, well we have our own elected government right now, and we are also a member of the EU, so the two aren't mutally exclusive. And on Friday we will know the direction we will follow. I for one will accept the voice of the people and move forward with that voice " Yeah, we'll find out on Friday. I hope we stay in, but either way, in or out, the world will keep turning, we'll still have to go to work, do the shopping, pay taxes, cook the dinner and tidy the house. I know that the rhetoric has got quite strong at times in the media as well as on the forums. But I think that we should all be thankful that we live in a society where the battle of idea is fought with words rather than violence. There are other countries in the world that would not be able to tackle such a question with as much restraint. | |||
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one. There isn't a Euro government. I never said that I expect our country to run without a government. But you were saying that you didn't trust our democratically elected government to use a veto. So if you don't trust our government what do you want instead? I would have thought that was pretty obvious No, what do you want instead of a British government? I've not said I don't want a british government But you dont trust a British government, right? Look I believe that most people in politics can't be trusted. In turn you could argue that means that I don't trust our government. But I would still choose our elected goverment over an unelected one. Countries can't operate without goverment. So trust them or not we have to have one. My choice is our own elected goverment. Ok, well we have our own elected government right now, and we are also a member of the EU, so the two aren't mutally exclusive. And on Friday we will know the direction we will follow. I for one will accept the voice of the people and move forward with that voice Yeah, we'll find out on Friday. I hope we stay in, but either way, in or out, the world will keep turning, we'll still have to go to work, do the shopping, pay taxes, cook the dinner and tidy the house. I know that the rhetoric has got quite strong at times in the media as well as on the forums. But I think that we should all be thankful that we live in a society where the battle of idea is fought with words rather than violence. There are other countries in the world that would not be able to tackle such a question with as much restraint." I agree with you in as far of how we do it even if we disagree on what we would like the outcome to be... and the sun will come up on Friday morning... | |||
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" Actually it's only 25% fuckwits, source: south park episode 148. I'll concede 5% maybe even 10% differential on which part of the UK you live in!. Fuckwits tend to congregate together like a successful people in reverse Yeah but there are different brands of stupid. Northerners are more likely to be gullible stupid whilst southerners are more likely to be ideologically stupid. " . Oh dear I'm a northerner who's gone south.... Does that make me a gullible ideolog  .
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"Trust... no I don't trust them. I believe that the only safe way forward is not to be there. Which means thier is no need for any veto. So you don't trust the British Government? Well what ever happens on Thursday we are still stuck with our own government! Well of course we are, how do you expect to country to operate without a government. The point is we will (hopefully) be left with our elected goverment and not the undemocratic euro one. There isn't a Euro government. I never said that I expect our country to run without a government. But you were saying that you didn't trust our democratically elected government to use a veto. So if you don't trust our government what do you want instead? I would have thought that was pretty obvious No, what do you want instead of a British government? I've not said I don't want a british government But you dont trust a British government, right? Look I believe that most people in politics can't be trusted. In turn you could argue that means that I don't trust our government. But I would still choose our elected goverment over an unelected one. Countries can't operate without goverment. So trust them or not we have to have one. My choice is our own elected goverment. Ok, well we have our own elected government right now, and we are also a member of the EU, so the two aren't mutally exclusive. And on Friday we will know the direction we will follow. I for one will accept the voice of the people and move forward with that voice Yeah, we'll find out on Friday. I hope we stay in, but either way, in or out, the world will keep turning, we'll still have to go to work, do the shopping, pay taxes, cook the dinner and tidy the house. I know that the rhetoric has got quite strong at times in the media as well as on the forums. But I think that we should all be thankful that we live in a society where the battle of idea is fought with words rather than violence. There are other countries in the world that would not be able to tackle such a question with as much restraint." Yes and we are allowing unrestricted numbers from those countries to come to europe | |||
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" Actually it's only 25% fuckwits, source: south park episode 148. I'll concede 5% maybe even 10% differential on which part of the UK you live in!. Fuckwits tend to congregate together like a successful people in reverse Yeah but there are different brands of stupid. Northerners are more likely to be gullible stupid whilst southerners are more likely to be ideologically stupid. . Oh dear I'm a northerner who's gone south.... Does that make me a gullible ideolog .
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"What the fuck has Micheal Heseltine got to do with it? He can't " admit " it. He's just a retired old fart. " its probably more an indicator as to just how desperate the need is for anything no matter how tenuous to cast about to scare others.. its been one of the most depressing aspects of this referendum, the level that some on both sides have felt that they need to go to.. the rhetoric has bordered on the hysterical, and has fluctuated between the farcical and downright gross xenophobia.. i would like that with the vote tomorrow then we all take a step back and breathe till we know the outcome.. and i sincerely hope there will be no 'i/we told you so you idiot's' from anyone because however it goes there will be either a couple of years of uncertainty with possible serious consequences for some of 'us' or a real need to go back to Brussels and say look this needs proper reform else others will be doing what we just did and that isn't good for any 'organisation'.. | |||
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"It won't ever happen (joining the euro) anyone with half a brain realises that it's economic suicide (plus whoever is PM at The time would get lynched). The only conceivable scenario is if Britain is forced or blackmail into it by bullying or ostracisation by other EU members" wonder if Boris would consider it..? | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen...." I think he is reported as saying "I think that there will come a time when Britain will join" Which is a reasonable position; he isn't reported as saying 'we will have to dump the pound'. I'm all for joining the Euro if it eventually becomes in our interests to do so. Extremely unlikely in the short and medium term but if the project changed and there became say two Euro currencies; one for the northern countries and one for the southern who knows? | |||
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"What the fuck has Micheal Heseltine got to do with it? He can't " admit " it. He's just a retired old fart. its probably more an indicator as to just how desperate the need is for anything no matter how tenuous to cast about to scare others.. its been one of the most depressing aspects of this referendum, the level that some on both sides have felt that they need to go to.. the rhetoric has bordered on the hysterical, and has fluctuated between the farcical and downright gross xenophobia.. i would like that with the vote tomorrow then we all take a step back and breathe till we know the outcome.. and i sincerely hope there will be no 'i/we told you so you idiot's' from anyone because however it goes there will be either a couple of years of uncertainty with possible serious consequences for some of 'us' or a real need to go back to Brussels and say look this needs proper reform else others will be doing what we just did and that isn't good for any 'organisation'.. " I sincerely believe that the closeness of this referendum (and the reaction to it throughout Europe) will send shockwaves through Brussels and reform is coming, whether or not it's the right thing to do. Steady on the tiller! | |||
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"What the fuck has Micheal Heseltine got to do with it? He can't " admit " it. He's just a retired old fart. its probably more an indicator as to just how desperate the need is for anything no matter how tenuous to cast about to scare others.. its been one of the most depressing aspects of this referendum, the level that some on both sides have felt that they need to go to.. the rhetoric has bordered on the hysterical, and has fluctuated between the farcical and downright gross xenophobia.. i would like that with the vote tomorrow then we all take a step back and breathe till we know the outcome.. and i sincerely hope there will be no 'i/we told you so you idiot's' from anyone because however it goes there will be either a couple of years of uncertainty with possible serious consequences for some of 'us' or a real need to go back to Brussels and say look this needs proper reform else others will be doing what we just did and that isn't good for any 'organisation'.. I sincerely believe that the closeness of this referendum (and the reaction to it throughout Europe) will send shockwaves through Brussels and reform is coming, whether or not it's the right thing to do. Steady on the tiller!" i said to someone the other day that Cameron must have known it will be a very close call and with all that will bring etc it could be his way of having a legacy of being an ex PM who properly started the reforms that pretty much everyone thinks are needed.. | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. " actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!! | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!" . He's about 90! | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90! "and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then..... and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then.... | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then.... "and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then....
and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda"really..... okay.... and any of the 28 countries still have the power of veto..... so would greece vote turkey in... or cyprus....... or germany... who aren't the turks bestest mates at the moment after voting that turkey should recognise the genocide they commited in armenia... | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen...." That is clearly a ridiculous idea. Heseltine is starting to look like a leave plant in the remain camp. | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then....
and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda
really..... okay....
and any of the 28 countries still have the power of veto.....
so would greece vote turkey in...
or cyprus.......
or germany... who aren't the turks bestest mates at the moment after voting that turkey should recognise the genocide they commited in armenia..."If there is no chance of them joining why are several billions of EU money every year being given to Turkey to help them achieve membership? Something doesn't make sense. | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then....
and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda"What if my aunt had bollocks? Then she'd be my uncle. | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU?" Bye then! | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then....
and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda
What if my aunt had bollocks? Then she'd be my uncle. "That is the only statement on this thread that makes any sense! Can people desist with the scare stories, it makes you all appear to be loonies! Lets hope on Friday we can get back to talking about less divisive matters | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then....
and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda
really..... okay....
and any of the 28 countries still have the power of veto.....
so would greece vote turkey in...
or cyprus.......
or germany... who aren't the turks bestest mates at the moment after voting that turkey should recognise the genocide they commited in armenia...
If there is no chance of them joining why are several billions of EU money every year being given to Turkey to help them achieve membership? Something doesn't make sense. "that's what I was going to ask. Are the EU simply wasting our money then? | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then....
and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda"Actually only achieved 1 and with current Government restrictions on press moving further away. | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then....
and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda
What if my aunt had bollocks? Then she'd be my uncle. "did you find that out under the advice section here? | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU? Bye then! "you think we'd leave in that case then? Might as well just go now then hadn't we | |||
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"What if the EU forced every country to paint all their cars with orange and brown paint? What if the EU stated that tights could only be lime green? What if the EU stated that all trains must run backwards unless Angela Merkel is riding on it? What if the EU forced all car dealerships to have green signs? What if the EU stated that each family had to sell their first born to McDonald's to be ground up into McRibs? " Answer: We'd leave. Just because we aren't leaving now, doesn't mean we don't want to leave in future. Politicians should always be kept on their toes. | |||
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"What if the EU forced every country to paint all their cars with orange and brown paint? What if the EU stated that tights could only be lime green? What if the EU stated that all trains must run backwards unless Angela Merkel is riding on it? What if the EU forced all car dealerships to have green signs? What if the EU stated that each family had to sell their first born to McDonald's to be ground up into McRibs? Answer: We'd leave. Just because we aren't leaving now, doesn't mean we don't want to leave in future. Politicians should always be kept on their toes. " Exactly but the point is that much of this discussion has centered around the fact we should leave in case something very unlikely happens. Which is clearly a ridiculous argument. You didn't enter our Trivia quiz!! | |||
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"What if the EU forced every country to paint all their cars with orange and brown paint? What if the EU stated that tights could only be lime green? What if the EU stated that all trains must run backwards unless Angela Merkel is riding on it? What if the EU forced all car dealerships to have green signs? What if the EU stated that each family had to sell their first born to McDonald's to be ground up into McRibs? Answer: We'd leave. Just because we aren't leaving now, doesn't mean we don't want to leave in future. Politicians should always be kept on their toes. Exactly but the point is that much of this discussion has centered around the fact we should leave in case something very unlikely happens. Which is clearly a ridiculous argument. You didn't enter our Trivia quiz!! " or we should stay in case something very unlikely happens  | |||
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"What if the EU forced every country to paint all their cars with orange and brown paint? What if the EU stated that tights could only be lime green? What if the EU stated that all trains must run backwards unless Angela Merkel is riding on it? What if the EU forced all car dealerships to have green signs? What if the EU stated that each family had to sell their first born to McDonald's to be ground up into McRibs? Answer: We'd leave. Just because we aren't leaving now, doesn't mean we don't want to leave in future. Politicians should always be kept on their toes. Exactly but the point is that much of this discussion has centered around the fact we should leave in case something very unlikely happens. Which is clearly a ridiculous argument. You didn't enter our Trivia quiz!! or we should stay in case something very unlikely happens "Well yes. | |||
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"I don't see how you can compare the UK with what will be a united states of Europe in the not to distant future. And as for the power of veto, having it is not the same as using it. Today's EU is yesterday's EEC. Ask yourself the question, what does tomorrow bring? Have you ever seen pictures of Afghanistan 100 years ago? It was a (relatively) nicely place!! Not everything carries on the same trajectory... "
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then....
and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda
really..... okay....
and any of the 28 countries still have the power of veto.....
so would greece vote turkey in...
or cyprus.......
or germany... who aren't the turks bestest mates at the moment after voting that turkey should recognise the genocide they commited in armenia...
If there is no chance of them joining why are several billions of EU money every year being given to Turkey to help them achieve membership? Something doesn't make sense. "could it be that part of what the EU wants is reform in Turkey which has under Erdogan's tenure looked to be going backwards.. if that country can reform then yes why not have them join however at present there will never be acceptance from some of the above countries.. a bit like the principle of foreign aid in giving people in abject poverty the means to improve their lot themselves.. | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then....
and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda
really..... okay....
and any of the 28 countries still have the power of veto.....
so would greece vote turkey in...
or cyprus.......
or germany... who aren't the turks bestest mates at the moment after voting that turkey should recognise the genocide they commited in armenia...
If there is no chance of them joining why are several billions of EU money every year being given to Turkey to help them achieve membership? Something doesn't make sense.
could it be that part of what the EU wants is reform in Turkey which has under Erdogan's tenure looked to be going backwards..
if that country can reform then yes why not have them join however at present there will never be acceptance from some of the above countries..
a bit like the principle of foreign aid in giving people in abject poverty the means to improve their lot themselves.."Turkey has the 18th largest economy globally and has been growing successfully for years. I can see many reasons for it being considered for EU membership. But if there is "no chance" of it ever being accepted should EU tax payers continue to subsidise it? | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then....
and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda
really..... okay....
and any of the 28 countries still have the power of veto.....
so would greece vote turkey in...
or cyprus.......
or germany... who aren't the turks bestest mates at the moment after voting that turkey should recognise the genocide they commited in armenia...
If there is no chance of them joining why are several billions of EU money every year being given to Turkey to help them achieve membership? Something doesn't make sense.
could it be that part of what the EU wants is reform in Turkey which has under Erdogan's tenure looked to be going backwards..
if that country can reform then yes why not have them join however at present there will never be acceptance from some of the above countries..
a bit like the principle of foreign aid in giving people in abject poverty the means to improve their lot themselves..
Turkey has the 18th largest economy globally and has been growing successfully for years. I can see many reasons for it being considered for EU membership. But if there is "no chance" of it ever being accepted should EU tax payers continue to subsidise it?"a good point which i don't think has been addressed in the campaign and does on the whole look a bit strange, similar to the issue with Aid in India maybe? maybe its a case of the Eu showing it is at least part way serious about inclusion ? | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then....
and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda
really..... okay....
and any of the 28 countries still have the power of veto.....
so would greece vote turkey in...
or cyprus.......
or germany... who aren't the turks bestest mates at the moment after voting that turkey should recognise the genocide they commited in armenia...
If there is no chance of them joining why are several billions of EU money every year being given to Turkey to help them achieve membership? Something doesn't make sense.
could it be that part of what the EU wants is reform in Turkey which has under Erdogan's tenure looked to be going backwards..
if that country can reform then yes why not have them join however at present there will never be acceptance from some of the above countries..
a bit like the principle of foreign aid in giving people in abject poverty the means to improve their lot themselves..
Turkey has the 18th largest economy globally and has been growing successfully for years. I can see many reasons for it being considered for EU membership. But if there is "no chance" of it ever being accepted should EU tax payers continue to subsidise it?
a good point which i don't think has been addressed in the campaign and does on the whole look a bit strange, similar to the issue with Aid in India maybe?
maybe its a case of the Eu showing it is at least part way serious about inclusion ?
"I suspect given Turkeys geographic position and strategic importance to NATO is is less about EU membership and more about defence. But who knows! All a bit of a red herring but again the right questions not being asked, instead fear and scaremongering being used rather than proper debate. | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen...." Our position towards the Euro, and indeed everything else to do with Europe and the EU, should be, if it's in Britain's best long-term interests. Currently it seems unlikely that joining the Euro, as currently constructed, would be in Britain's best long term interests and I can see no likelihood that if ever will but, if ever it was, then the right and best thing for Britain to do would be to join. | |||
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"Bollocks are we. There is no mechanism to force it. He's deluded or has an ulterior motive. More ukxit fear tactics. Michael Heseltine is a Remain campaigner. actually... heseltine was asked if he though the uk would eventually join the euro... he said yes... then when farage pipped up.... he said it would not happen in his lifetime.... and it wouldn't happen in farage's lifetime either.... there is your quote.... there is your context.... spin that!!!!!. He's about 90!
and farage is 50ish ....... so not for at least another 40 years ish then.....
and turkey would still probably be no closer to joining... they may have completed 3 or 4 of the 35 chapters they need to be able to join by then....
and what if the EU decides to reduce those chapters to 5? As you know, the EU changes rules to suit their own agenda
really..... okay....
and any of the 28 countries still have the power of veto.....
so would greece vote turkey in...
or cyprus.......
or germany... who aren't the turks bestest mates at the moment after voting that turkey should recognise the genocide they commited in armenia...
If there is no chance of them joining why are several billions of EU money every year being given to Turkey to help them achieve membership? Something doesn't make sense.
could it be that part of what the EU wants is reform in Turkey which has under Erdogan's tenure looked to be going backwards..
if that country can reform then yes why not have them join however at present there will never be acceptance from some of the above countries..
a bit like the principle of foreign aid in giving people in abject poverty the means to improve their lot themselves..
Turkey has the 18th largest economy globally and has been growing successfully for years. I can see many reasons for it being considered for EU membership. But if there is "no chance" of it ever being accepted should EU tax payers continue to subsidise it?
a good point which i don't think has been addressed in the campaign and does on the whole look a bit strange, similar to the issue with Aid in India maybe?
maybe its a case of the Eu showing it is at least part way serious about inclusion ?
I suspect given Turkeys geographic position and strategic importance to NATO is is less about EU membership and more about defence. But who knows! All a bit of a red herring but again the right questions not being asked, instead fear and scaremongering being used rather than proper debate."the thought of Turkey going the way of Iraq or of Erdogan being in bed with Putin isn't a good one.. | |||
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" Turkey has the 18th largest economy globally and has been growing successfully for years" 18th would be impressive if it was a normal distribution. It isn't. Unless you count the EU as one economy then there are 2 economies that matter and then there's everyone else. The top 2 are bigger than the bottom 176 combined. Outside the top 15 is practically irrelevant. | |||
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"just the latest scare mongering from the leave side It's not scaremongering it was said quite clearly by Michael heseltine who is a major part of the remain campaign. " It's scaremongering, just like saying Turkey's is joining the EU when it's not. There maybe a time in the far of distant future when both of these things happen, only a fool says never for ever, but neither is going to happen now, in the near future, in the lifetime of any on this site and quite probably ever. Is this project fear or project paranoia that BREXIT is trying now. | |||
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" the thought of Turkey going the way of Iraq or of Erdogan being in bed with Putin isn't a good one.." turkey isn't going to go russia's way... last time i check turkey shot down russian plane that strayed into its airspace.... and the turks and russians don't exactly like each other.... | |||
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" Turkey has the 18th largest economy globally and has been growing successfully for years 18th would be impressive if it was a normal distribution. It isn't. Unless you count the EU as one economy then there are 2 economies that matter and then there's everyone else. The top 2 are bigger than the bottom 176 combined. Outside the top 15 is practically irrelevant. " Agree that US and China dominate, but Turkey is bigger than Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden etc, not irrelevant. As I said I suspect the financial support is given for broader political and defence agenda, but be honest about it rather than the charade we have. | |||
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" the thought of Turkey going the way of Iraq or of Erdogan being in bed with Putin isn't a good one.. turkey isn't going to go russia's way... last time i check turkey shot down russian plane that strayed into its airspace.... and the turks and russians don't exactly like each other...." true but nations do have short memories when it comes to expansion, protection etc.. | |||
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"Like everything else that happens ... we wont have a choice Remaining in the EU is for the banks ... not for the people " You should ask George Orwell about countries that are "run for the people" | |||
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" Turkey has the 18th largest economy globally and has been growing successfully for years 18th would be impressive if it was a normal distribution. It isn't. Unless you count the EU as one economy then there are 2 economies that matter and then there's everyone else. The top 2 are bigger than the bottom 176 combined. Outside the top 15 is practically irrelevant. Agree that US and China dominate, but Turkey is bigger than Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden etc, not irrelevant. As I said I suspect the financial support is given for broader political and defence agenda, but be honest about it rather than the charade we have." Yeah but i doubt the average american would even find Belgium on a map! That's why all this talk about what trade with the Germany and France will do in a Brexit scenario is irrelevant. It's China and the US that matter. | |||
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"If we remain in the EU, will we be punished for daring to have the audacity to question the EU? Could be the start of a slippery slope..." Rubbish! The only punishment that will hit Britain will be the self inflicted one of economic decline along with the self inflicted decline in our reputation as being a reliable allie and partner through both good and bad times, that a BREXIT vote would deliver. | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU?" Well they can't say that so the 'what if' is pointless. | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. Since joining the EU, we've been stripped of 70 powers of veto. The stated endgame of the EU is a federal republic, with all that implies - single currency, legislature, legal system, army, police force etc, etc. (all run by an unelected elite) If we vote to stay, this is the path we commit ourselves to. Oh we'll huff and puff and delay as long as we can, but unless the EU collapses first, we will be absorbed into the EUSR, being just another province." Project paranoia again. | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU? Well they can't say that so the 'what if' is pointless." What if America decides to invade us as payback for war crimes from the war of independence? - you'll be glad to have some European allies then | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU? Well they can't say that so the 'what if' is pointless. What if America decides to invade us as payback for war crimes from the war of independence? - you'll be glad to have some European allies then " What if Germany takes over Europe as payback for losing the war? ....oh, hang on | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU? Well they can't say that so the 'what if' is pointless. What if America decides to invade us as payback for war crimes from the war of independence? - you'll be glad to have some European allies then What if Germany takes over Europe as payback for losing the war? ....oh, hang on " What if the post-war German economic model is superior to ours and we could learn a thing or two from them? ... Oh, hang on | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU? Well they can't say that so the 'what if' is pointless. What if America decides to invade us as payback for war crimes from the war of independence? - you'll be glad to have some European allies then What if Germany takes over Europe as payback for losing the war? ....oh, hang on What if the post-war German economic model is superior to ours and we could learn a thing or two from them? ... Oh, hang on" In some ways sure... but oh, hang on, hasn't their model destroyed the economies of Southern Europe? | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU? Well they can't say that so the 'what if' is pointless. What if America decides to invade us as payback for war crimes from the war of independence? - you'll be glad to have some European allies then What if Germany takes over Europe as payback for losing the war? ....oh, hang on What if the post-war German economic model is superior to ours and we could learn a thing or two from them? ... Oh, hang on In some ways sure... but oh, hang on, hasn't their model destroyed the economies of Southern Europe?" Yup, clever isn't it | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU? Well they can't say that so the 'what if' is pointless. What if America decides to invade us as payback for war crimes from the war of independence? - you'll be glad to have some European allies then What if Germany takes over Europe as payback for losing the war? ....oh, hang on What if the post-war German economic model is superior to ours and we could learn a thing or two from them? ... Oh, hang on In some ways sure... but oh, hang on, hasn't their model destroyed the economies of Southern Europe? Yup, clever isn't it" Payback then eh | |||
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"What the fuck has Micheal Heseltine got to do with it? He can't " admit " it. He's just a retired old fart. " | |||
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"Michael heseltine just admitted that if we remain in the EU that the time will come where we will have to dump the pound and join the euro. I'm pretty sure David Cameron said this will never happen.... It won't happen, we have a veto which stops this from being imposed on us. The only way we will adopt the euro is if WE choose to. who's 'we'? Obviously the UK, it's the sort of thing that no government would have the bottle to do without a referendum. well what if the EU said you must adopt the Euro or you will be expelled from the EU? Well they can't say that so the 'what if' is pointless. What if America decides to invade us as payback for war crimes from the war of independence? - you'll be glad to have some European allies then What if Germany takes over Europe as payback for losing the war? ....oh, hang on What if the post-war German economic model is superior to ours and we could learn a thing or two from them? ... Oh, hang on In some ways sure... but oh, hang on, hasn't their model destroyed the economies of Southern Europe? Yup, clever isn't it Payback then eh "Caveat Emptor. How Germany managed to find that many stupid governments to sign up to such a bad idea is one of the greatest sales feats in history. Possibly the most impressive persuasion techniques since Pope Leo turned back Attila the Hun with the gift of his gab. | |||
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"(in scenes terribly reminiscent of the Scottish devolution vote)
I think I would have made a good hippy, let's make love not war "Which, somewhat ironically, was caused by the winning No side. People really do confuse me at times. | |||
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