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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Are you also going to watch it? It is on for 2hrs on bbc1 at 8pm to 10pm.
David Dimbleby is joined by Mishal Husain and Emily Maitlis to present the biggest debate of the EU referendum campaign live from the SSE Arena in Wembley, London. Featuring high-profile politicians, business people and cultural figures debating Britain's membership of the EU in front of an audience of thousands  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Will tune in, hopefully Dimbleby will keep everything in order and we can hear a proper debate rather than people throwing around soundbites and insults. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Will tune in, hopefully Dimbleby will keep everything in order and we can hear a proper debate rather than people throwing around soundbites and insults."
He is pretty good at chairing. He usually manages to control them with a bit of dry humour. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Will tune in, hopefully Dimbleby will keep everything in order and we can hear a proper debate rather than people throwing around soundbites and insults.
He is pretty good at chairing. He usually manages to control them with a bit of dry humour."
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He is a former Oxford bulllingdon boy so he's well prepared for all the back slapping |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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I sort of have a political thing for Ruth Davidson ... I said sort of! Wrong side of the aisle on various accounts but she talks a lot of sense....
Seeing her and sadiq up against boris should be interesting.... They are going to bamboozle him with plain common sense |
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"I sort of have a political thing for Ruth Davidson ... I said sort of! Wrong side of the aisle on various accounts but she talks a lot of sense....
Seeing her and sadiq up against boris should be interesting.... They are going to bamboozle him with plain common sense "
I'm not a fan of her politics.
But I love that the 3 main party leaders in Scotland are women.
The fact that 2 of them are lesbians is a bonus. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Will tune in, hopefully Dimbleby will keep everything in order and we can hear a proper debate rather than people throwing around soundbites and insults.
He is pretty good at chairing. He usually manages to control them with a bit of dry humour..
He is a former Oxford bulllingdon boy so he's well prepared for all the back slapping "
I don't really care about his educational background.
I appreciate his intelligence, wit and ability to control proceedings.
If he was an ex-con who skipped school I could not care less. |
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"Will tune in, hopefully Dimbleby will keep everything in order and we can hear a proper debate rather than people throwing around soundbites and insults.
He is pretty good at chairing. He usually manages to control them with a bit of dry humour..
He is a former Oxford bulllingdon boy so he's well prepared for all the back slapping
I don't really care about his educational background.
I appreciate his intelligence, wit and ability to control proceedings.
If he was an ex-con who skipped school I could not care less."
I know loads of people like him but I find him so dry. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Out , Britain should be able to make its own decisions with out Europe sticking its nose in , that's what democracy is all about ."
sticking it's nose in? good to see you understand how the EU works. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nhs in crisis, schools struggling to find spaces for pupils,local councils,in debt and having to make cut backs , and a government that stooped so low as to try to plunder the disabled and most vulnerable people in society , being in the EU sure has been great for Britain hasn't it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nhs in crisis, schools struggling to find spaces for pupils,local councils,in debt and having to make cut backs , and a government that stooped so low as to try to plunder the disabled and most vulnerable people in society , being in the EU sure has been great for Britain hasn't it?"
that is the effect of a tory government not the eu. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Nhs in crisis,"
you do realise about 15% of NHS are from EU countries.....
as someone pointed out today... they are the backbone of the NHS... and you are more likely to be Treated by an EU National... than be in a hospital bed next to one.... |
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I'd watch it for Mishal as she is gorgeous 
But not for the debate - the quality of argument from both sides has been intellectually shocking with project fear from both sides in full flow
I'd get more informative comment from Ian Wright on the other side |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Quite a lot of shouting, I wish the Remain camp would stop seeing this as a Boris bashing exercise and try and keep to rational debate. "
Then tell Boris to stop playing up to the crowd butting in and being a dick! Can you trust your working rights to a man who shagged a pigs head he was part of the society Cameronjoined) to get in a jolly boys club ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nhs in crisis,
you do realise about 15% of NHS are from EU countries.....
as someone pointed out today... they are the backbone of the NHS... and you are more likely to be Treated by an EU National... than be in a hospital bed next to one...."
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
" being in the EU sure has been great for Britain hasn't it?"
I know... that 4 weeks of paid holiday we all get per year is god awful.....
and paid materity leave...
and the fact that part time workers get exactly the same rights as full timers.......
and that limit on the amount of hours we can work....
i know... its all shocking!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" being in the EU sure has been great for Britain hasn't it?
I know... that 4 weeks of paid holiday we all get per year is god awful.....
and paid materity leave...
and the fact that part time workers get exactly the same rights as full timers.......
and that limit on the amount of hours we can work....
i know... its all shocking!!!!"
Dont forget the reduced working hours with no pay cut and safer working practices for employees.
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"Nhs in crisis,
you do realise about 15% of NHS are from EU countries.....
as someone pointed out today... they are the backbone of the NHS... and you are more likely to be Treated by an EU National... than be in a hospital bed next to one...."
I thought africans and philipinos were the backbone of the nhs |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I appreciate it's about the policy and the issues, but I can't get over the prospect of agreeing with either Boris Johnson or David Cameron.
It's like being asked which turd looks the tastiest...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well, there are So Many théories and ifs That It is impossible to say If It is going to be better in or out. Às an EU national I am a bit buyest but I do understand some points of The brexit. But come on do you thing The likes of Boris or Farage would in est The Money "saved" towards The EU contribution into The NHS? If you believe That, You are fools...
Sadly like in any country It has become a politico-politician war.
People of Britain, do What you feel best! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Turkey could be asked to join the EU. 
That's made my mind up knowing this now too!.
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turkey would need to complete the 35 chapters required... since applying in the mid 90's they have managed to complete 1......
thats not exactly record setting pace now is it.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you are still undecided this is a youtube clip of Professor Micheal Dougan.
Professor of European Law at the University of Liverpool, Professor Dougan provides his viewpoint on the EU referendum, and discussed the facts and figures circulated by both the ‘Leave’ and ‘Remain’ campaigns.
its worth a watch as he is impartial and balanced to both sides of the argument
https://youtu.be/USTypBKEd8Y
hope this helps
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By (user no longer on site)
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" being in the EU sure has been great for Britain hasn't it?
I know... that 4 weeks of paid holiday we all get per year is god awful.....
and paid materity leave...
and the fact that part time workers get exactly the same rights as full timers.......
and that limit on the amount of hours we can work....
i know... its all shocking!!!!"
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"Nhs in crisis, schools struggling to find spaces for pupils,local councils,in debt and having to make cut backs , and a government that stooped so low as to try to plunder the disabled and most vulnerable people in society , being in the EU sure has been great for Britain hasn't it?"
You need to be looking closer to home for the blame for almost all of that.
How on earth are the EU responsible for the UK government's policy for the disabled and vulnerable, for example. Even the most rapid Brexiters don't argue that.
The money we send to Europe (before the rebate) is a drop in the ocean if you're thinking it'll sort that. It's all about the UK government and its priorities.
In my part of the world, huge amounts of EU funding has been allocated to help economically disadvantaged areas.
If you vote out, you'll have an even more right-wing, free market obsessed administration that's desperate to clamp down on public spending in the UK. Those things you rightly worry about won't get better - they'll get far worse. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ruth Davidson seems to be the best if the lot when it comes to getting a point across.
Kahn and Johnson just seem to want to points score over each other rather than debate the issue. |
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By *arksidesubCouple
over a year ago
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"Turkey could be asked to join the EU.
That's made my mind up knowing this now too!.
turkey would need to complete the 35 chapters required... since applying in the mid 90's they have managed to complete 1......
thats not exactly record setting pace now is it...."
It's possible! I wouldn't like to even think it's a possibility.That country is corrupt to fuck!
Bringing there ways here no thank-you! This country needs to take back control over this immigration lark! |
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"I appreciate it's about the policy and the issues, but I can't get over the prospect of agreeing with either Boris Johnson or David Cameron.
It's like being asked which turd looks the tastiest...
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This for me too. Agree with Cameron or Farage...my head is about to explode!  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
actually my gal ruth has gotten better this debate has gone longer and longer....
i don't agree much with her politics... but i enviously look at her.. at sturgeon and dugdale... and wish we could have these types of leaders south of the border.... |
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"Nhs in crisis, schools struggling to find spaces for pupils,local councils,in debt and having to make cut backs , and a government that stooped so low as to try to plunder the disabled and most vulnerable people in society , being in the EU sure has been great for Britain hasn't it?"
Thats the Tories, fuck all to do with the EU
Can you HONESTLY tell me that anyone on this panel is speaking ANY kind of sense? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Never thought I'd applaud a Tory, but Ruth Davidson is a powerful and intelligent speaker.
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Despite being politically apposed to her I have long been an admirer of her interesting intellectual debates and approach plus on a purely FAB level have found her dam cute |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Never thought I'd applaud a Tory, but Ruth Davidson is a powerful and intelligent speaker.
Despite being politically apposed to her I have long been an admirer of her interesting intellectual debates and approach plus on a purely FAB level have found her dam cute "
Once she stopped shouting Boris, Boris, Boris she came across well. |
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It's appalling isn't it? If the remain side can unite parties, and the leave side have Boris and Tony Parsons...Helen Kellar is voting IN ffs. REGARDLESS of your political allegiances, it is pretty damn obvious the leave lot are made up of utter, utter, upper middle class-upper class brain dead right leaning fascist Nazi were-pigs. |
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"It's appalling isn't it? If the remain side can unite parties, and the leave side have Boris and Tony Parsons...Helen Kellar is voting IN ffs. REGARDLESS of your political allegiances, it is pretty damn obvious the leave lot are made up of utter, utter, upper middle class-upper class brain dead right leaning fascist Nazi were-pigs. "
you should really stop beating about the bush and say what you think.. |
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"It's appalling isn't it? If the remain side can unite parties, and the leave side have Boris and Tony Parsons...Helen Kellar is voting IN ffs. REGARDLESS of your political allegiances, it is pretty damn obvious the leave lot are made up of utter, utter, upper middle class-upper class brain dead right leaning fascist Nazi were-pigs.
you should really stop beating about the bush and say what you think.. "
Yeah Nancy, don't be shy.  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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you have to think the tories have to be looking at somehow trying to find Ruth Davidson a seat to fight to get her into the leadership race......
Now I think that would be interesting.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It was a good program, in 2 days time britain is deciding its fate."
I agree, it was populist and low brow, but at least the electorate got to hear the views of both side with just enough editorial from the BBC to give some facts. |
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"Did Boris really just say this can be our Independence Day "
Not only in This debate but the other one a couple of weeks ago, Boris comes across as a first rate pompous Arse, he is a knob, he has been shown in these debates to be a liar and is just posturing on the leave camp to get Cameron's job, he has been well and truly hammered by other speakers from both labour and conservative MP's , he is a light weight who would be a laughing stock globally.
I was on the fence minor anymore, tonight swung it for me to be a remain albeit a tad reluctant. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It was a good program, in 2 days time britain is deciding its fate.
I agree, it was populist and low brow, but at least the electorate got to hear the views of both side with just enough editorial from the BBC to give some facts."
That is right and its good with both views. I think on the whole yes that the stay campaign was the most popular #Build bridges, not walls, was a good quote from them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Did Boris really just say this can be our Independence Day
Not only in This debate but the other one a couple of weeks ago, Boris comes across as a first rate pompous Arse, he is a knob, he has been shown in these debates to be a liar and is just posturing on the leave camp to get Cameron's job, he has been well and truly hammered by other speakers from both labour and conservative MP's , he is a light weight who would be a laughing stock globally.
I was on the fence minor anymore, tonight swung it for me to be a remain albeit a tad reluctant. "
I'm feeling much the same. I do worry about endorsing an institution which I believe is unaccountable and in my view undemocratic, but there is so much uncertainty with a leave vote and I have to take so much on trust. Still thinking though. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Am I the only one that thinks saddiq behaves like a school cheerleader!
I was surprised he never mentioned his dad was a bus man.  "
i and the rest of the population who played the "take a swig every time someone on the leave side mentions take control" game....
bladdered!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Did Boris really just say this can be our Independence Day "
He did. I think he fancies him self as some sort of Churchillian love child sired in 1945 and until recently has been a cryogenic state of limbo. To think that idiot could be the next prime minister with Michael Gove and Douglas Bardswell as his acolytes in number ten. The mind boggles. |
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"Well it made my mind up to leave even more "
Good GRIEF are you even serious? This saddens me so much. Please PLEASE remember you said as much if you get yer way and it is the end of the world.
Boris is no better than a war monger. NO evidence to back him up. He gives good speeches, but only from an oratory point of view. The best comparison really is Hitler. think on! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nhs in crisis,
you do realise about 15% of NHS are from EU countries.....
as someone pointed out today... they are the backbone of the NHS... and you are more likely to be Treated by an EU National... than be in a hospital bed next to one...."
those with skills that are needed can enter/remain in the uk |
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"Am I the only one that thinks saddiq behaves like a school cheerleader!
I was surprised he never mentioned his dad was a bus man.
i and the rest of the population who played the "take a swig every time someone on the leave side mentions take control" game....
bladdered!!! "
Don't worry we can all tell you are bladdered by the daft comments you've made on this thread since the debate finished. |
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"Nhs in crisis,
you do realise about 15% of NHS are from EU countries.....
as someone pointed out today... they are the backbone of the NHS... and you are more likely to be Treated by an EU National... than be in a hospital bed next to one.... those with skills that are needed can enter/remain in the uk"
Remain in the UK? So those who are here now without said skills would have to go? |
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"Did Boris really just say this can be our Independence Day He did. I think he fancies him self as some sort of Churchillian love child sired in 1945 and until recently has been a cryogenic state of limbo. To think that idiot could be the next prime minister with Michael Gove and Douglas Bardswell as his acolytes in number ten. The mind boggles. "
Who is Douglas Bardswell?
Boris the Churchillian, contrast to the image of David Cameron on Question Time special on Sunday, the British public now see Cameron as a 21st century Neville Chamberlain holding up a white piece of paper from the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Did Boris really just say this can be our Independence Day He did. I think he fancies him self as some sort of Churchillian love child sired in 1945 and until recently has been a cryogenic state of limbo. To think that idiot could be the next prime minister with Michael Gove and Douglas Bardswell as his acolytes in number ten. The mind boggles.
Who is Douglas Bardswell?
Boris the Churchillian, contrast to the image of David Cameron on Question Time special on Sunday, the British public now see Cameron as a 21st century Neville Chamberlain holding up a white piece of paper from the EU. "
Carswell............oooops predictive address book!
Boris is no Churchill unless you are comparing him to the dog in the insurance commercial? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well it made my mind up to leave even more
Good GRIEF are you even serious? This saddens me so much. Please PLEASE remember you said as much if you get yer way and it is the end of the world.
Boris is no better than a war monger. NO evidence to back him up. He gives good speeches, but only from an oratory point of view. The best comparison really is Hitler. think on! "
Hitler? Isn't that the guy who with his mates came up with the idea of getting rid of seperate countries in Europe and creating a federal superstate or in other words an EU? Guess he won the war after all. Think on! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Well it made my mind up to leave even more
Good GRIEF are you even serious? This saddens me so much. Please PLEASE remember you said as much if you get yer way and it is the end of the world.
Boris is no better than a war monger. NO evidence to back him up. He gives good speeches, but only from an oratory point of view. The best comparison really is Hitler. think on!
Hitler? Isn't that the guy who with his mates came up with the idea of getting rid of seperate countries in Europe and creating a federal superstate or in other words an EU? Guess he won the war after all. Think on!"
That is right, the european union is actually hitlers dream come true. All of the eu is based on hitlers blue prints for it. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Outstanding closing speech from Boris, best speech of the whole debate by far. "
The only highlight of Boris' speech was that he got the name of a current film in at the end.
Which would have been impressive if he was on a chat show plugging it. Representing one side of a political debate that will decide the economic fate of our country though? Not so much.
Still, he is playing to the popcorn crowd. He knows the level of his audience, that's for sure! |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Well it made my mind up to leave even more
Good GRIEF are you even serious? This saddens me so much. Please PLEASE remember you said as much if you get yer way and it is the end of the world.
Boris is no better than a war monger. NO evidence to back him up. He gives good speeches, but only from an oratory point of view. The best comparison really is Hitler. think on!
Hitler? Isn't that the guy who with his mates came up with the idea of getting rid of seperate countries in Europe and creating a federal superstate or in other words an EU? Guess he won the war after all. Think on!"
Yes and it all fell apart and will again |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Outstanding closing speech from Boris, best speech of the whole debate by far.
The only highlight of Boris' speech was that he got the name of a current film in at the end.
Which would have been impressive if he was on a chat show plugging it. Representing one side of a political debate that will decide the economic fate of our country though? Not so much.
Still, he is playing to the popcorn crowd. He knows the level of his audience, that's for sure!"
Amazingly there are quite a few from the popcorn crowd who detest the idea of national Sovereignty and have no idea that 70% of our laws are passed by unelected Euro Fat Cats serving the interests of bankers and big business. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nhs in crisis,
you do realise about 15% of NHS are from EU countries.....
as someone pointed out today... they are the backbone of the NHS... and you are more likely to be Treated by an EU National... than be in a hospital bed next to one.... those with skills that are needed can enter/remain in the uk
Remain in the UK? So those who are here now without said skills would have to go? "
They were not saying kick everyone out who is here now.
What they are saying is time to stop the mass imigration and take a look at it using a different system of critiria as in people with the skills the country needs.
Just like every other country outside the EU does. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Outstanding closing speech from Boris, best speech of the whole debate by far.
The only highlight of Boris' speech was that he got the name of a current film in at the end.
Which would have been impressive if he was on a chat show plugging it. Representing one side of a political debate that will decide the economic fate of our country though? Not so much.
Still, he is playing to the popcorn crowd. He knows the level of his audience, that's for sure!
Amazingly there are quite a few from the popcorn crowd who detest the idea of national Sovereignty and have no idea that 70% of our laws are passed by unelected Euro Fat Cats serving the interests of bankers and big business. "
Please point me to the fact on 70% of our laws are passed unelected Eurocrats?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Outstanding closing speech from Boris, best speech of the whole debate by far.
The only highlight of Boris' speech was that he got the name of a current film in at the end.
Which would have been impressive if he was on a chat show plugging it. Representing one side of a political debate that will decide the economic fate of our country though? Not so much.
Still, he is playing to the popcorn crowd. He knows the level of his audience, that's for sure!
Amazingly there are quite a few from the popcorn crowd who detest the idea of national Sovereignty and have no idea that 70% of our laws are passed by unelected Euro Fat Cats serving the interests of bankers and big business. Please point me to the fact on 70% of our laws are passed unelected Eurocrats?
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The Jeremy Paxman programme towards the start of the campaign said it was about 60% based on independent review. His concluding quote was "we have given up sovereignty, the question is was it worth it" I guess it is that question we need to answer for ourselves when voting. |
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"Outstanding closing speech from Boris, best speech of the whole debate by far.
The only highlight of Boris' speech was that he got the name of a current film in at the end.
Which would have been impressive if he was on a chat show plugging it. Representing one side of a political debate that will decide the economic fate of our country though? Not so much.
Still, he is playing to the popcorn crowd. He knows the level of his audience, that's for sure!
Amazingly there are quite a few from the popcorn crowd who detest the idea of national Sovereignty and have no idea that 70% of our laws are passed by unelected Euro Fat Cats serving the interests of bankers and big business. "
Its the random use of unsubstantiated figures as this post gives sums up the leave tactic if misinformation.
According to the House of Commons Library, which itself concedes that there is no completely accurate way to make the calculation, between 1993 and 2014 Parliament passed 945 Acts of which 231 implemented EU obligations of some sort.
It also passed 33,160 Statutory Instruments, 4,283 of which implemented EU obligations. Add both of these together and divide by the total number of laws passed, and you get to a figure of 13%. So we can all use statistics to make a poor point.
As far as fat cats making EU law you are wrong. Its the EU parliament that legislates and you have a say in when you vote for that assembly if indeed you have ever done so.
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"Outstanding closing speech from Boris, best speech of the whole debate by far.
The only highlight of Boris' speech was that he got the name of a current film in at the end.
Which would have been impressive if he was on a chat show plugging it. Representing one side of a political debate that will decide the economic fate of our country though? Not so much.
Still, he is playing to the popcorn crowd. He knows the level of his audience, that's for sure!
Amazingly there are quite a few from the popcorn crowd who detest the idea of national Sovereignty and have no idea that 70% of our laws are passed by unelected Euro Fat Cats serving the interests of bankers and big business. Please point me to the fact on 70% of our laws are passed unelected Eurocrats?
The Jeremy Paxman programme towards the start of the campaign said it was about 60% based on independent review. His concluding quote was "we have given up sovereignty, the question is was it worth it" I guess it is that question we need to answer for ourselves when voting."
That's not a fact its the point of view. |
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"Out , Britain should be able to make its own decisions with out Europe sticking its nose in , that's what democracy is all about .
sticking it's nose in? good to see you understand how the EU works."
Indeed. Europe does not stick its nose in...it puts the boot in for many small businesses. |
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"Outstanding closing speech from Boris, best speech of the whole debate by far.
The only highlight of Boris' speech was that he got the name of a current film in at the end.
Which would have been impressive if he was on a chat show plugging it. Representing one side of a political debate that will decide the economic fate of our country though? Not so much.
Still, he is playing to the popcorn crowd. He knows the level of his audience, that's for sure!
Amazingly there are quite a few from the popcorn crowd who detest the idea of national Sovereignty and have no idea that 70% of our laws are passed by unelected Euro Fat Cats serving the interests of bankers and big business. Please point me to the fact on 70% of our laws are passed unelected Eurocrats?
The Jeremy Paxman programme towards the start of the campaign said it was about 60% based on independent review. His concluding quote was "we have given up sovereignty, the question is was it worth it" I guess it is that question we need to answer for ourselves when voting.
That's not a fact its the point of view."
In case you didn't read the previous post....the 60% came from independent review of the figures (relating to new legislation over the previous 12 months). No-one on the remain side has ever tried to contradict those figures. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Out , Britain should be able to make its own decisions with out Europe sticking its nose in , that's what democracy is all about .
sticking it's nose in? good to see you understand how the EU works.
Indeed. Europe does not stick its nose in...it puts the boot in for many small businesses."
Are you able to explain how?
And by explain, I mean describing an actual thing that happens, not by simply saying 'red tape mate' and thinking that's a reason.
Interestingly there was a lady on the debate last night who claimed small businesses were being stifled by the EU, and yet didn't have a single example of how. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Outstanding closing speech from Boris, best speech of the whole debate by far.
The only highlight of Boris' speech was that he got the name of a current film in at the end.
Which would have been impressive if he was on a chat show plugging it. Representing one side of a political debate that will decide the economic fate of our country though? Not so much.
Still, he is playing to the popcorn crowd. He knows the level of his audience, that's for sure!
Amazingly there are quite a few from the popcorn crowd who detest the idea of national Sovereignty and have no idea that 70% of our laws are passed by unelected Euro Fat Cats serving the interests of bankers and big business. Please point me to the fact on 70% of our laws are passed unelected Eurocrats?
The Jeremy Paxman programme towards the start of the campaign said it was about 60% based on independent review. His concluding quote was "we have given up sovereignty, the question is was it worth it" I guess it is that question we need to answer for ourselves when voting.
That's not a fact its the point of view.
In case you didn't read the previous post....the 60% came from independent review of the figures (relating to new legislation over the previous 12 months). No-one on the remain side has ever tried to contradict those figures."
More or Less contested it on their EU special. They are completely independent.
The fact is anyone who gives you a figure of how many laws come from Europe that apply to the UK is either lying, or doesn't understand the complexity of the issue.
And often both. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Its the random use of unsubstantiated figures as this post gives sums up the leave tactic if misinformation.
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Said the pot as it called the kettle black.
Amazing how the filthy rich like Cameron and Soros and the 10,000 EU employees who earn more than Cameron just love the EU...there's nothing like a taxpayer funded gravy train! |
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"Outstanding closing speech from Boris, best speech of the whole debate by far.
The only highlight of Boris' speech was that he got the name of a current film in at the end.
Which would have been impressive if he was on a chat show plugging it. Representing one side of a political debate that will decide the economic fate of our country though? Not so much.
Still, he is playing to the popcorn crowd. He knows the level of his audience, that's for sure!
Amazingly there are quite a few from the popcorn crowd who detest the idea of national Sovereignty and have no idea that 70% of our laws are passed by unelected Euro Fat Cats serving the interests of bankers and big business. Please point me to the fact on 70% of our laws are passed unelected Eurocrats?
The Jeremy Paxman programme towards the start of the campaign said it was about 60% based on independent review. His concluding quote was "we have given up sovereignty, the question is was it worth it" I guess it is that question we need to answer for ourselves when voting.
That's not a fact its the point of view.
In case you didn't read the previous post....the 60% came from independent review of the figures (relating to new legislation over the previous 12 months). No-one on the remain side has ever tried to contradict those figures.
More or Less contested it on their EU special. They are completely independent.
The fact is anyone who gives you a figure of how many laws come from Europe that apply to the UK is either lying, or doesn't understand the complexity of the issue.
And often both."
Which is why you can review all the information you have heard and make your vote. Not all figures used by both sides are wrong, they are spun to support the arguments of in or out. I thought the Paxman broadcast and the editorial in last night's debate were good in trying to present balanced views. Part of the problem with the whole debate has been the speed with which people use the word lies when numbers are used with which they disagree, rather than offer appropriate challenge. And sad to see this language being used by supporters of both side on here. It has been a poor debate for our democracy. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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"Nhs in crisis,
you do realise about 15% of NHS are from EU countries.....
as someone pointed out today... they are the backbone of the NHS... and you are more likely to be Treated by an EU National... than be in a hospital bed next to one....
I thought africans and philipinos were the backbone of the nhs"
India provides the highest number of professionally qualified clinical staff, doctors and consultants, after Britain
The Philippines provide the highest number of qualified nursing, midwifery and health visiting staff after Britain |
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"Nhs in crisis,
you do realise about 15% of NHS are from EU countries.....
as someone pointed out today... they are the backbone of the NHS... and you are more likely to be Treated by an EU National... than be in a hospital bed next to one....
I thought africans and philipinos were the backbone of the nhs
India provides the highest number of professionally qualified clinical staff, doctors and consultants, after Britain
The Philippines provide the highest number of qualified nursing, midwifery and health visiting staff after Britain"
Which makes reducing immigration an interesting challenge for whoever is in government. Displacement from the EU to countries further away most likely solution. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Nhs in crisis,
you do realise about 15% of NHS are from EU countries.....
as someone pointed out today... they are the backbone of the NHS... and you are more likely to be Treated by an EU National... than be in a hospital bed next to one....
I thought africans and philipinos were the backbone of the nhs
India provides the highest number of professionally qualified clinical staff, doctors and consultants, after Britain
The Philippines provide the highest number of qualified nursing, midwifery and health visiting staff after Britain
Which makes reducing immigration an interesting challenge for whoever is in government. Displacement from the EU to countries further away most likely solution."
but but but... they are suppose to be reducing immigration...
i thought there target was 100,000..... but they already let in 188,000 non EU immigrants last year... which is the figure they can already control under and do under the fabled "points system"........
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"Nhs in crisis,
you do realise about 15% of NHS are from EU countries.....
as someone pointed out today... they are the backbone of the NHS... and you are more likely to be Treated by an EU National... than be in a hospital bed next to one....
I thought africans and philipinos were the backbone of the nhs
India provides the highest number of professionally qualified clinical staff, doctors and consultants, after Britain
The Philippines provide the highest number of qualified nursing, midwifery and health visiting staff after Britain
Which makes reducing immigration an interesting challenge for whoever is in government. Displacement from the EU to countries further away most likely solution.
but but but... they are suppose to be reducing immigration...
i thought there target was 100,000..... but they already let in 188,000 non EU immigrants last year... which is the figure they can already control under and do under the fabled "points system"........
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No, I thought that was Cameron's target? |
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