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"The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders' (SMMT) chief executive Mike Hawes said a vote to leave the EU would "jeopardise" the industry's continued success. The industry supports 800,000 jobs and contributes £15.5bn annually to the UK economy. Directors at Toyota UK, Vauxhall, Jaguar Land Rover and BMW, as well as from component makers GKN and Magal Engineering, voiced their support." lol a vote to leave could provide a boost to the industry as we would be free to sign free trade agreements with emerging markets - something we are currently forbidden from doing by the EU." Is that the same car company executives that urged Britain to join the euro. "They were wrong then and they are still wrong now" | |||
"The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders' (SMMT) chief executive Mike Hawes said a vote to leave the EU would "jeopardise" the industry's continued success. The industry supports 800,000 jobs and contributes £15.5bn annually to the UK economy. Directors at Toyota UK, Vauxhall, Jaguar Land Rover and BMW, as well as from component makers GKN and Magal Engineering, voiced their support. lol a vote to leave could provide a boost to the industry as we would be free to sign free trade agreements with emerging markets - something we are currently forbidden from doing by the EU." Is that the same car company executives that urged Britain to join the euro. "They were wrong then and they are still wrong now" " The US signed NAFTA (a free trade deal) and lost jobs to Mexico, where it was cheaper to produce cars. Which emerging markets are you speaking about? Brazil is in a terrible financial situation and China is precarious. South Korea is trying to protect it's own car industry. Which other big markets are you talking about? India? Have we not lost enough jobs to it already? Russia? That one's self explanatory. | |||
"Diaego have also come out backing Remain. And Richard Scudamore, executive chairman of the Premier League, pledged his support to remain in the EU, and said the 20 clubs in the top tier also wanted to remain." The question of how many players would be affected by Britain leaving the EU will also be a consideration for the Premier League. Although there are no plans in place yet for a potential new work permit system in the event of a vote to leave, a study by the BBC last season found that more than 100 EU footballers in the Premier League would not qualify for a Home Office work permit under the criteria applied by the Football Association to applications from non-EU players. internationals N’Golo Kante and Dimitri Payet, as well as another 100 100 Premier League players would not qualify for a work permit if Britain left the EU What ever happened to home teams and players playing for their own local club, football has gone to the dogs, no longer a sport, simply a business, it they cant qualify for a work permit, then they are not entitled to be here, VOTE LEAVE | |||
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"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion." Fifth largest based in part upon it's position in the single market. | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion." agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave" Project Reality Check! If you're wanting Project Fear go put up some of Farage's posters. | |||
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"And if we come out of the EU, Germany will stop exporting cars to the UK... "there was beetle camper vans in the sixties in uk, i cant see any company refusing to sell cars, cant see if we leave there will be a sudden change, no doubt the blue gate will go at the airports and it will be back to 200 cigs and 1 bottle | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. Fifth largest based in part upon it's position in the single market." But we were the 5th biggest before we joined the EU. And with the difference in exchange rates, ie us not being in the Eurozone, and the uncertainty of that, can you explain why any car manufacturer would have invested in the UK in the first place? | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. Fifth largest based in part upon it's position in the single market." Spot on i was goi g to say that. | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. Fifth largest based in part upon it's position in the single market. But we were the 5th biggest before we joined the EU. And with the difference in exchange rates, ie us not being in the Eurozone, and the uncertainty of that, can you explain why any car manufacturer would have invested in the UK in the first place?" Quality of our work favorable corporate tax structure and for Nisan access to the single market. | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave Project Reality Check! If you're wanting Project Fear go put up some of Farage's posters. " 
The leave camp has been riddled with its fearmongering from the off. Both sides have been stupid.
But we can't expect a decades long institution, our position within Europe, to not have major consequences if removed. The world economy is in a precariously vulnerable position - we've skirted the end of the biggest recession for nearly a century. We're not in a position of safety and so lunging to an extreme position of leaving Europe is clearly foolhardy.
Businesses make long term plans and will rightly be angry about their position if it's jeopardised. Jobs will be lost - but they're the everyday persons jobs that will go. Boris etc won't care - they're just in it for themselves.
If you need to work then you need to think of yourself and your wider community. It's a bit of a lemming opportunity just now. | |||
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"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave
The leave camp has been riddled with its fearmongering from the off. Both sides have been stupid.
But we can't expect a decades long institution, our position within Europe, to not have major consequences if removed. The world economy is in a precariously vulnerable position - we've skirted the end of the biggest recession for nearly a century. We're not in a position of safety and so lunging to an extreme position of leaving Europe is clearly foolhardy.
Businesses make long term plans and will rightly be angry about their position if it's jeopardised. Jobs will be lost - but they're the everyday persons jobs that will go. Boris etc won't care - they're just in it for themselves.
If you need to work then you need to think of yourself and your wider community. It's a bit of a lemming opportunity just now. "Open your eyes; you are already on remain, you are already in EU and you are living with and accepting companies like sports direct right now you have accepted zero hours contracts, poor conditions and disgraceful treatment from employers why is that? More people have to stand up for what they believe on all issues, whether it be employment, government, health, schooling what ever. Far to many people in this submissive United Kingdom just accept things. Now is the time to stand up and Vote Leave for a better Britain. don't be fooled by Westminster spin, lets get out now Leave | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. Fifth largest based in part upon it's position in the single market. But we were the 5th biggest before we joined the EU. And with the difference in exchange rates, ie us not being in the Eurozone, and the uncertainty of that, can you explain why any car manufacturer would have invested in the UK in the first place?" 1) not sure how old you are, but Britain was known as the sick man of Europe when we joined the common market. I don't have actual facts to hand but I would be very, very surprised if a country that was on a three day week, suffering regular power cuts and and whose entire economy was beset by strikes and industrial unrest could have been the 5th largest economy in the world. 2) the car manufacturer set up in the uk as a stepping stone into the eu because of the UK's now stable economy that is streamlined and EU compliant. Like all companies that trade in Europe they would likely operate their trading in Euros rather than £GBP. That said, I do expect the out vote to take the day on Thursday but I think the exit negotiations will take so long that we will end up not actually leaving. Two to three years of uncertainty and realisation that there will be real economic consequences will result in a reverse of the referendum at about the time of the next election. The country will have had enough of toxic division after another three years - as if we have not had enough now! | |||
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"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave" That's unbelievable hypocrisy. Thank you for those words from the voice of project Rolex - when I wonder will we see the next exciting thread on how to profit from the uncertainty caused by the whole Brexit scam? | |||
"The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders' (SMMT) chief executive Mike Hawes said a vote to leave the EU would "jeopardise" the industry's continued success. The industry supports 800,000 jobs and contributes £15.5bn annually to the UK economy. Directors at Toyota UK, Vauxhall, Jaguar Land Rover and BMW, as well as from component makers GKN and Magal Engineering, voiced their support. lol a vote to leave could provide a boost to the industry as we would be free to sign free trade agreements with emerging markets - something we are currently forbidden from doing by the EU." Is that the same car company executives that urged Britain to join the euro. "They were wrong then and they are still wrong now" " the EU has just signed a new trade agreement with Canada which has taken about three years to negotiate, trade deals do not just happen over night and as we would be outside of the EU would have to negotiate new legislation with a number of countries. Plus we would have to negotiate our terms of leaving the EU anyway which will take up to two years, why should the European nations rush through any legislation to allow us an early release from the union after all. So we would be looking up to about five years where are manufacturing industry would be pretty much in limbo. | |||
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"I think the British car industry is now Aston Martin and Morgan. We have plants that build cars but they are owned by foreign companies" This is a point that I want to make too. I think people forget that all our major industries are owned by foreign companies. Now that isnt the EUs fault. That was Thatcher selling everything off. Just one thing about zero hours contracts. I dont think the EU had a hand in that either, that idea came from the USA. Minimum wage, yes that did come from the EU, but the EU wanted it to be around the £9ph mark. The Govt vetoed it and made it much lower. If im wrong then please feel free to correct me.  | |||
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"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. Fifth largest based in part upon it's position in the single market. But we were the 5th biggest before we joined the EU. And with the difference in exchange rates, ie us not being in the Eurozone, and the uncertainty of that, can you explain why any car manufacturer would have invested in the UK in the first place? Quality of our work favorable corporate tax structure and for Nisan access to the single market." Nissan is now owned by Renault | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave Project Reality Check! If you're wanting Project Fear go put up some of Farage's posters. " Farage's poster is not even relevant, we are not in Shengen.. its blatant xenophobic rabble rousing .. good to see many senior members in the leave camp disown it.. | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave Project Reality Check! If you're wanting Project Fear go put up some of Farage's posters. Farage's poster is not even relevant, we are not in Shengen.. its blatant xenophobic rabble rousing .. good to see many senior members in the leave camp disown it.. " he really is a prat | |||
"The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders' (SMMT) chief executive Mike Hawes said a vote to leave the EU would "jeopardise" the industry's continued success. The industry supports 800,000 jobs and contributes £15.5bn annually to the UK economy. Directors at Toyota UK, Vauxhall, Jaguar Land Rover and BMW, as well as from component makers GKN and Magal Engineering, voiced their support." Not sure where this information comes from as I'm just reading a pamphlet that came in the door late last week...quoting...Toyota, Nissan, Vauxhall and Ford stating...It will have little bearing upon upon them if Britain leaves.....I'm guessing if they can go to all the expense of altering a car for the LHS then I think a matter of leaving the EU is that big an issue. Very little will change for them tbh. In what way is the industry going to be 'jeopardised'....i hear all this scare munging retoric with nothing clearly stated....it smacks so much of the stick throwing campaign with no substance. I look forward to watching what they will say in response to all their SCARE SHOUTING if we leave. They will all continue to do business and very few jobs will be lost if any if we do leave. | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion." World companies trade with the UK because I is an was gateway into the EU market si by leaving the EU that gateway will be closed therefore companies will scale back operations in the UK and increase operations in the EU many firms who have sole trading rights from America and other countries have already stated this but as per usual brexiters either don't believe it or choose to ignore it ..but as always it will depend on what the conservative government negotiated with the EU to replace current membership ..ie Norway type deal then life will probably remain the same . | |||
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"Remember to cast your vote in pen ..whichever way you choose to go." you mean i can't use my colouring crayons..  | |||
"Remember to cast your vote in pen ..whichever way you choose to go. you mean i can't use my colouring crayons.. "Thought you progressed to proper pens..  | |||
"Remember to cast your vote in pen ..whichever way you choose to go. you mean i can't use my colouring crayons..
Thought you progressed to proper pens.. "only when supervised and never a fountain pen, keep stabbing meself..  | |||
" Nissan is now owned by Renault" A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that | |||
"The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders' (SMMT) chief executive Mike Hawes said a vote to leave the EU would "jeopardise" the industry's continued success. The industry supports 800,000 jobs and contributes £15.5bn annually to the UK economy. Directors at Toyota UK, Vauxhall, Jaguar Land Rover and BMW, as well as from component makers GKN and Magal Engineering, voiced their support. Not sure where this information comes from as I'm just reading a pamphlet that came in the door late last week...quoting...Toyota, Nissan, Vauxhall and Ford stating...It will have little bearing upon upon them if Britain leaves.....I'm guessing if they can go to all the expense of altering a car for the LHS then I think a matter of leaving the EU is that big an issue. Very little will change for them tbh. In what way is the industry going to be 'jeopardised'....i hear all this scare munging retoric with nothing clearly stated....it smacks so much of the stick throwing campaign with no substance. I look forward to watching what they will say in response to all their SCARE SHOUTING if we leave. They will all continue to do business and very few jobs will be lost if any if we do leave." There is a factory in The Midlands that makes the CE certified catalytic converters that go into Renault and Peogeot exhaust systems. A factory in Spain also makes the same component. After a Brexit, why would the UK manufacturer get the same equal treatment that it did whilst a full member? It is inconceivable that the EU would not favour products that are manufactured in the EU as opposed to those manufactured outside. The problem with many Brexit arguments is that they are one dimensional and do not address the underlying and complex issues that surround both EU membership and single market access. The above is just one example of where jobs would be lost unless the factory re tooled and negotiated a contract with another manufacturer outside of the EU. There are many more individual examples that all, collectively would add to several hundred thousand if not a million or more jobs under threat. Please note - under threat, not lost. | |||
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"The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders' (SMMT) chief executive Mike Hawes said a vote to leave the EU would "jeopardise" the industry's continued success. The industry supports 800,000 jobs and contributes £15.5bn annually to the UK economy. Directors at Toyota UK, Vauxhall, Jaguar Land Rover and BMW, as well as from component makers GKN and Magal Engineering, voiced their support. Not sure where this information comes from as I'm just reading a pamphlet that came in the door late last week...quoting...Toyota, Nissan, Vauxhall and Ford stating...It will have little bearing upon upon them if Britain leaves.....I'm guessing if they can go to all the expense of altering a car for the LHS then I think a matter of leaving the EU is that big an issue. Very little will change for them tbh. In what way is the industry going to be 'jeopardised'....i hear all this scare munging retoric with nothing clearly stated....it smacks so much of the stick throwing campaign with no substance. I look forward to watching what they will say in response to all their SCARE SHOUTING if we leave. They will all continue to do business and very few jobs will be lost if any if we do leave. There is a factory in The Midlands that makes the CE certified catalytic converters that go into Renault and Peogeot exhaust systems. A factory in Spain also makes the same component. After a Brexit, why would the UK manufacturer get the same equal treatment that it did whilst a full member? It is inconceivable that the EU would not favour products that are manufactured in the EU as opposed to those manufactured outside. The problem with many Brexit arguments is that they are one dimensional and do not address the underlying and complex issues that surround both EU membership and single market access. The above is just one example of where jobs would be lost unless the factory re tooled and negotiated a contract with another manufacturer outside of the EU. There are many more individual examples that all, collectively would add to several hundred thousand if not a million or more jobs under threat. Please note - under threat, not lost." Good point TH. Why wouldn't other European countries seek to capitalise on Brexit? | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion." The remaining EU countries will not grant us more favourable conditions post Brexit than they do their own members. They will know just how important it is for Britain to trade with the largest economic block in the world and will drive a hard bargain. Consequently, whilst they will of course trade with us, they will impose restrictions and costs to level the playing field with Germany and France, both who pay more net into the EU than the UK. The cost will be, as a guess, probably around £350m per week. I think we can all agree on that.
If you want to know how this will actually turn out go sit in a divorce court for a day. It ain't pretty.  | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave" .... | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave" That's erroneous and patronising on so many levels. Are you a politician? | |||
"Big business is only interested in cheap labour costs. " And the integrity of the existing fragile supply chains  | |||
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"Trade will still go on no matter what tariffs are a 2 way street, the EU imposes tariffs all of the time to control who can sell what where. It's about time we had a proper free market not one that is controlled by another country" On planet Mars a nation with a population tenth the size of the EU dictates terms of trade. And yes we export alot in percentage terms to the EU so the EU can stall and the pain will be very onesided. This rubbish about 5th largest economy is based on being in the single market and conveniently ignores our huge trade deficit. When US, Japanese and Chinese firms lose access to the single market it won't be long for them to relocate to another EU country. | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave" | |||
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"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave "If we leave the 'average working man' will be far more at threat than if we remain. Democratically I'm for leave. But in terms of everything else, certainly remain. | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave
If we leave the 'average working man' will be far more at threat than if we remain.
Democratically I'm for leave. But in terms of everything else, certainly remain."without democracy there is no financial security | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave
If we leave the 'average working man' will be far more at threat than if we remain.
Democratically I'm for leave. But in terms of everything else, certainly remain.
without democracy there is no financial security"To be honest we've got compromised democracy both ways. | |||
"The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders' (SMMT) chief executive Mike Hawes said a vote to leave the EU would "jeopardise" the industry's continued success. The industry supports 800,000 jobs and contributes £15.5bn annually to the UK economy. Directors at Toyota UK, Vauxhall, Jaguar Land Rover and BMW, as well as from component makers GKN and Magal Engineering, voiced their support." One of Jaguar/Land Rover biggest markets is China and not the EU. The boss of JCB/Caterpillar backs the Leave campaign and again one of the biggest and growing markets for JCB/CAT is China and not the EU. The EU does not protect British jobs in the car industry, we already saw a Ford Transit van plant in Southampton close down a few years ago when they upped sticks and moved production over to Turkey as part of a cost cutting exercise. | |||
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"Diaego have also come out backing Remain. And Richard Scudamore, executive chairman of the Premier League, pledged his support to remain in the EU, and said the 20 clubs in the top tier also wanted to remain. The question of how many players would be affected by Britain leaving the EU will also be a consideration for the Premier League. Although there are no plans in place yet for a potential new work permit system in the event of a vote to leave, a study by the BBC last season found that more than 100 EU footballers in the Premier League would not qualify for a Home Office work permit under the criteria applied by the Football Association to applications from non-EU players. internationals N’Golo Kante and Dimitri Payet, as well as another 100 100 Premier League players would not qualify for a work permit if Britain left the EU What ever happened to home teams and players playing for their own local club, football has gone to the dogs, no longer a sport, simply a business, it they cant qualify for a work permit, then they are not entitled to be here, VOTE LEAVE " Yes and Sol Campbell is backing the Leave campaign, he has said our British international teams, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are suffering because of too many foreign players flooding the Premier League, it is not giving the domestic British players a fair crack of the whip and our national teams have suffered as a result. Sol Campbell said leaving the EU will allow more home grown football talent to flourish and develop. If you want more sporting names backing Leave then look no further than Sir Ian Botham. | |||
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"The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders' (SMMT) chief executive Mike Hawes said a vote to leave the EU would "jeopardise" the industry's continued success. The industry supports 800,000 jobs and contributes £15.5bn annually to the UK economy. Directors at Toyota UK, Vauxhall, Jaguar Land Rover and BMW, as well as from component makers GKN and Magal Engineering, voiced their support. One of Jaguar/Land Rover biggest markets is China and not the EU. The boss of JCB/Caterpillar backs the Leave campaign and again one of the biggest and growing markets for JCB/CAT is China and not the EU. The EU does not protect British jobs in the car industry, we already saw a Ford Transit van plant in Southampton close down a few years ago when they upped sticks and moved production over to Turkey as part of a cost cutting exercise. " Not according to Jaguar Landrover who say that both the EU and UK markets were bigger for them in 2015 and both climbed by 25% and the Chinese market declined by 25%. From their annual report: Jaguar Land Rover’s global performance for the full year 2015 shows a balanced regional portfolio with record retail sales in UK, North America and Europe. Sales to Europe and UK each topped 100,000 vehicles for the first time ever: Europe was the company’s largest sales region in 2015 with sales of 110,298, up 28% year on year; and with a growth of 21% over 2014 figures, a total of 100,636 Jaguars and Land Rovers were bought by customers in the UK. North American sales of 94,066 were 25% up on the previous year. The growth in these markets offset the performance in China and other overseas markets, at 92,474 and 89,592 down 24% and 7% year-on-year respectively. This reflected local market conditions, model transitions and the impact of the major industrial explosion at the Chinese port of Tianjin in August. | |||
"As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave
The leave camp has been riddled with its fearmongering from the off. Both sides have been stupid.
But we can't expect a decades long institution, our position within Europe, to not have major consequences if removed. The world economy is in a precariously vulnerable position - we've skirted the end of the biggest recession for nearly a century. We're not in a position of safety and so lunging to an extreme position of leaving Europe is clearly foolhardy.
Businesses make long term plans and will rightly be angry about their position if it's jeopardised. Jobs will be lost - but they're the everyday persons jobs that will go. Boris etc won't care - they're just in it for themselves.
If you need to work then you need to think of yourself and your wider community. It's a bit of a lemming opportunity just now.
Open your eyes;
you are already on remain, you are already in EU and you are living with and accepting companies like sports direct right now
you have accepted zero hours contracts, poor conditions and disgraceful treatment from employers
why is that?
More people have to stand up for what they believe on all issues, whether it be employment, government, health, schooling what ever.
Far to many people in this submissive United Kingdom just accept things.
Now is the time to stand up and Vote Leave for a better Britain.
don't be fooled by Westminster spin, lets get out now
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"Eyes open. If you think this government will strengthen and protect workers conditions if we get out then I can see cloud cuckoo land quite clearly. Employment, the environment, pollution and other essential aspects of our lives is stronger in than out. Zero hours etc will be happily prolific once out. And free movement is going to continue if people vote out, so you've got more of the same and worse to follow. | |||
"The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders' (SMMT) chief executive Mike Hawes said a vote to leave the EU would "jeopardise" the industry's continued success. The industry supports 800,000 jobs and contributes £15.5bn annually to the UK economy. Directors at Toyota UK, Vauxhall, Jaguar Land Rover and BMW, as well as from component makers GKN and Magal Engineering, voiced their support. One of Jaguar/Land Rover biggest markets is China and not the EU. The boss of JCB/Caterpillar backs the Leave campaign and again one of the biggest and growing markets for JCB/CAT is China and not the EU. The EU does not protect British jobs in the car industry, we already saw a Ford Transit van plant in Southampton close down a few years ago when they upped sticks and moved production over to Turkey as part of a cost cutting exercise. " For christs sake JCB and Caterpillar are two separate companies and since JCB developed their own engine they don't even use Cat's Perkins engine anymore! | |||
"Diaego have also come out backing Remain. And Richard Scudamore, executive chairman of the Premier League, pledged his support to remain in the EU, and said the 20 clubs in the top tier also wanted to remain. The question of how many players would be affected by Britain leaving the EU will also be a consideration for the Premier League. Although there are no plans in place yet for a potential new work permit system in the event of a vote to leave, a study by the BBC last season found that more than 100 EU footballers in the Premier League would not qualify for a Home Office work permit under the criteria applied by the Football Association to applications from non-EU players. internationals N’Golo Kante and Dimitri Payet, as well as another 100 100 Premier League players would not qualify for a work permit if Britain left the EU What ever happened to home teams and players playing for their own local club, football has gone to the dogs, no longer a sport, simply a business, it they cant qualify for a work permit, then they are not entitled to be here, VOTE LEAVE Yes and Sol Campbell is backing the Leave campaign, he has said our British international teams, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are suffering because of too many foreign players flooding the Premier League, it is not giving the domestic British players a fair crack of the whip and our national teams have suffered as a result. Sol Campbell said leaving the EU will allow more home grown football talent to flourish and develop. If you want more sporting names backing Leave then look no further than Sir Ian Botham. " Is this a new phenomenon or were the home nations universally shit throughout the '70s and much of the '80s too? | |||
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" Diaego have also come out backing Remain. And Richard Scudamore, executive chairman of the Premier League, pledged his support to remain in the EU, and said the 20 clubs in the top tier also wanted to remain. VOTE LEAVE The question of how many players would be affected by Britain leaving the EU will also be a consideration for the Premier League. Although there are no plans in place yet for a potential new work permit system in the event of a vote to leave, a study by the BBC last season found that more than 100 EU footballers in the Premier League would not qualify for a Home Office work permit under the criteria applied by the Football Association to applications from non-EU players. internationals N’Golo Kante and Dimitri Payet, as well as another 100 100 Premier League players would not qualify for a work permit if Britain left the EU What ever happened to home teams and players playing for their own local club, football has gone to the dogs, no longer a sport, simply a business, it they cant qualify for a work permit, then they are not entitled to be here, VOTE LEAVE " Yes and Sol Campbell is backing the Leave campaign, he has said our British international teams, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are suffering because of too many foreign players flooding the Premier League, it is not giving the domestic British players a fair crack of the whip and our national teams have suffered as a result. Sol Campbell said leaving the EU will allow more home grown football talent to flourish and develop. If you want more sporting names backing Leave then look no further than Sir Ian Botham VOTE LEAVE "The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders' (SMMT) chief executive Mike Hawes said a vote to leave the EU would "jeopardise" the industry's continued success. The industry supports 800,000 jobs and contributes £15.5bn annually to the UK economy. VOTE LEAVE Directors at Toyota UK, Vauxhall, Jaguar Land Rover and BMW, as well as from component makers GKN and Magal Engineering, voiced their support. One of Jaguar/Land Rover biggest markets is China and not the EU. The boss of JCB/Caterpillar backs the Leave campaign and again one of the biggest and growing markets for JCB/CAT is China and not the EU. The EU does not protect British jobs in the car industry, we already saw a Ford Transit van plant in Southampton close down a few years ago when they upped sticks and moved production over to Turkey as part of a cost cutting exercise. " Not according to Jaguar Landrover who say that both the EU and UK markets were bigger for them in 2015 and both climbed by 25% and the Chinese market declined by 25%. From their annual report: VOTE LEAVE Jaguar Land Rover’s global performance for the full year 2015 shows a balanced regional portfolio with record retail sales in UK, North America and Europe. Sales to Europe and UK each topped 100,000 vehicles for the first time ever: Europe was the company’s largest sales region in 2015 with sales of 110,298, up 28% year on year; and with a growth of 21% over 2014 figures, a total of 100,636 Jaguars and Land Rovers were bought by customers in the UK. North American sales of 94,066 were 25% up on the previous year. The growth in these markets offset the performance in China and other overseas markets, at 92,474 and 89,592 down 24% and 7% year-on-year respectively. This reflected local market conditions, model transitions and the impact of the major industrial explosion at the Chinese port of Tianjin in August. VOTE LEAVE As Britain is the worlds fifth largest economy and the second largest in Europe, after Germany, it would make no economic sense for any country to not want to trade with us and therefore I cannot see how any forecasted job losses stack up or why any business has an issue with leaving as it should only strengthen their position in my opinion. VOTE LEAVE agreed and in most peoples opinion The OP's post is just another Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear Project Fear the millionaires will continue to vote remain and the average working man/woman will continue to grow and vote Leave
The leave camp has been riddled with its fearmongering from the off. Both sides have been stupid.
VOTE LEAVE
But we can't expect a decades long institution, our position within Europe, to not have major consequences if removed. The world economy is in a precariously vulnerable position - we've skirted the end of the biggest recession for nearly a century. We're not in a position of safety and so lunging to an extreme position of leaving Europe is clearly foolhardy.
VOTE LEAVE
Businesses make long term plans and will rightly be angry about their position if it's jeopardised. Jobs will be lost - but they're the everyday persons jobs that will go. Boris etc won't care - they're just in it for themselves.
VOTE LEAVE
If you need to work then you need to think of yourself and your wider community. It's a bit of a lemming opportunity just now.
Open your eyes;
you are already on remain, you are already in EU and you are living with and accepting companies like sports direct right now
you have accepted zero hours contracts, poor conditions and disgraceful treatment from employers
why is that?
More people have to stand up for what they believe on all issues, whether it be employment, government, health, schooling what ever.
Far to many people in this submissive United Kingdom just accept things.
Now is the time to stand up and Vote Leave for a better Britain.
don't be fooled by Westminster spin, lets get out now
Leave
Eyes open.
VOTE LEAVE
If you think this government will strengthen and protect workers conditions if we get out then I can see cloud cuckoo land quite clearly.
VOTE LEAVE
Employment, the environment, pollution and other essential aspects of our lives is stronger in than out.
VOTE LEAVE
Zero hours etc will be happily prolific once out. And free movement is going to continue if people vote out, so you've got more of the same and worse to follow."bloody heck that takes some reading, but from what I can see is you are saying vote leave I guess I agree that we should vote leave | |||
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