After an online debate today it frustrates me how people think that the EU debate is solely about immigration/refugees and the view points that come across quite racist (I appreciate not everyone is racist who is against the EU). So my question is , without getting too deep, how many believes the leaves predominant campaign that leaving the EU will reduce immigration and more over leaving the EU will reduce radicalised individuals coming into the UK? |
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"After an online debate today it frustrates me how people think that the EU debate is solely about immigration/refugees and the view points that come across quite racist (I appreciate not everyone is racist who is against the EU). So my question is , without getting too deep, how many believes the leaves predominant campaign that leaving the EU will reduce immigration and more over leaving the EU will reduce radicalised individuals coming into the UK?"
Is that the same as the radicalised individual that lived in Birstall?
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"After an online debate today it frustrates me how people think that the EU debate is solely about immigration/refugees and the view points that come across quite racist (I appreciate not everyone is racist who is against the EU). So my question is , without getting too deep, how many believes the leaves predominant campaign that leaving the EU will reduce immigration and more over leaving the EU will reduce radicalised individuals coming into the UK?Is that the same as the radicalised individual that lived in Birstall?"
I made that point too, to which he countered with the Lee Rigby incident. I just said that both were deplorable acts who I could not wish a more horrific comeuppance to both.
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As I see it, the leave campaign wants to control immigration. Many people in the UK, immigrants included, are having their quality of life eroded by uncontrolled immigration. And most political parties are labelling their concerns as racist, bigoted and or xenophobic. These are real people with real concerns due to their experiences.
As for radicalised individuals, controlled immigration will help stop those known to the security services but won't stop home grown radicals. |
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"Is there any other angle we can cover the referendum on?
I don't care anymore. To be honest, whatever way is voted won't make much difference to me. "
There are a multitude of debates to be had both pro and con EU. Immigration from outside the EU (the area most are scared of when they talk immigration) will not be affected. The EU migrants wanting to work I welcome, just wish we could deport those in society that do not want to work (I have specifically not mentioned those that want to be can't)
The immigration card is being used by the leave campaign as it is a very topical debate that has been raging for decades. It's easy and cheap tactics
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As other posters have mentioned in past months; the main issue is scarcity of resources.
Mechanisation and outsourcing has put a lot of people out of work meaning fewer jobs, that's only going to continue.
Immigration and most of the other issues being discussed are really secondary as they're the by-product of a scarcity of resources. |
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"As I see it, the leave campaign wants to control immigration. Many people in the UK, immigrants included, are having their quality of life eroded by uncontrolled immigration. And most political parties are labelling their concerns as racist, bigoted and or xenophobic. These are real people with real concerns due to their experiences.
As for radicalised individuals, controlled immigration will help stop those known to the security services but won't stop home grown radicals."
When I ask this I mean it in a polite way and not challenging your beliefs, how does it affect you quality of life? I ask as it does not affect ours, at least not that I can see. |
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"As other posters have mentioned in past months; the main issue is scarcity of resources.
Mechanisation and outsourcing has put a lot of people out of work meaning fewer jobs, that's only going to continue.
Immigration and most of the other issues being discussed are really secondary as they're the by-product of a scarcity of resources. "
This is usually derived though from a lack of skill set, take the North of England when the predominant work in the 80's was mining, ship building etc. When these industries died the workers did not know what to do next (a position I hope to never find myself in!) what I have found, as an employer, is that too many people do not want to do work they deem as beneath them. Sales/retail work has become the pit work (IE working class) of the modern age but some think this menial. We all know the industries that you see a lot of Polish in and this to me is an example of people rather sitting unemployed (again I do not want to tar all with the same brush!) than rolling up their sleeves to earn a living. |
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"As I see it, the leave campaign wants to control immigration. Many people in the UK, immigrants included, are having their quality of life eroded by uncontrolled immigration. And most political parties are labelling their concerns as racist, bigoted and or xenophobic. These are real people with real concerns due to their experiences.
As for radicalised individuals, controlled immigration will help stop those known to the security services but won't stop home grown radicals.
When I ask this I mean it in a polite way and not challenging your beliefs, how does it affect you quality of life? I ask as it does not affect ours, at least not that I can see."
It doesn't affect me personally. In some ways it keeps me in work.
But I can clearly see how it does affect others.
I can see that our country is becoming more densely populated. I can see the struggle for school places and GP appointments.
I believe in quality of life. Immigration increases our economic output but money and wealth isn't the be all and end all in my opinion x |
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"As I see it, the leave campaign wants to control immigration. Many people in the UK, immigrants included, are having their quality of life eroded by uncontrolled immigration. And most political parties are labelling their concerns as racist, bigoted and or xenophobic. These are real people with real concerns due to their experiences.
As for radicalised individuals, controlled immigration will help stop those known to the security services but won't stop home grown radicals.
When I ask this I mean it in a polite way and not challenging your beliefs, how does it affect you quality of life? I ask as it does not affect ours, at least not that I can see.
It doesn't affect me personally. In some ways it keeps me in work.
But I can clearly see how it does affect others.
I can see that our country is becoming more densely populated. I can see the struggle for school places and GP appointments.
I believe in quality of life. Immigration increases our economic output but money and wealth isn't the be all and end all in my opinion x"
It is a fair point, I only asked as I hear the 'it affects our quality of life' statement a lot but have never met anyone who was able to show me how.
I respect your opinion and you point though  |
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"As other posters have mentioned in past months; the main issue is scarcity of resources.
Mechanisation and outsourcing has put a lot of people out of work meaning fewer jobs, that's only going to continue.
Immigration and most of the other issues being discussed are really secondary as they're the by-product of a scarcity of resources.
This is usually derived though from a lack of skill set, take the North of England when the predominant work in the 80's was mining, ship building etc. When these industries died the workers did not know what to do next (a position I hope to never find myself in!) what I have found, as an employer, is that too many people do not want to do work they deem as beneath them. Sales/retail work has become the pit work (IE working class) of the modern age but some think this menial. We all know the industries that you see a lot of Polish in and this to me is an example of people rather sitting unemployed (again I do not want to tar all with the same brush!) than rolling up their sleeves to earn a living."
I see this all the time. But I don't think the answer is to import more people. I see this as re-educating and raising our expectations of our young people in particular x |
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"As other posters have mentioned in past months; the main issue is scarcity of resources.
Mechanisation and outsourcing has put a lot of people out of work meaning fewer jobs, that's only going to continue.
Immigration and most of the other issues being discussed are really secondary as they're the by-product of a scarcity of resources.
This is usually derived though from a lack of skill set, take the North of England when the predominant work in the 80's was mining, ship building etc. When these industries died the workers did not know what to do next (a position I hope to never find myself in!) what I have found, as an employer, is that too many people do not want to do work they deem as beneath them. Sales/retail work has become the pit work (IE working class) of the modern age but some think this menial. We all know the industries that you see a lot of Polish in and this to me is an example of people rather sitting unemployed (again I do not want to tar all with the same brush!) than rolling up their sleeves to earn a living.
I see this all the time. But I don't think the answer is to import more people. I see this as re-educating and raising our expectations of our young people in particular x"
Again I agree, the answer is not importing more but education. I think we have similar beliefs on the immigration issue, I just think that immigration will not be positively affected by leaving the EU, I think it would just increase those that are here illegally. If there were no jobs available as our young wanted them and took them I don't think our fellow Europeans would come over as much, but as they know that there are 'menial' jobs not being filled which still pay more than some of their best jobs at home they want to come over.
I also think there will be a lot of jobs lost by leaving the EU which in itself would compound the problem. |
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This is a multi complex question about many issues elitism, capitalism racism protectionism and egalitarianisum but at the end of the day you have to make your decision on what is best for you and your family then what is best for the country. However the ones who sit in power will minipulate any decision in or out and can use their power to control their political dogma so literally we are controll
ed by either an elitist british govt or an elitist european govt neither will stand up for the voice of the majority so whatever you vote democracy means shite all enjoy sorry for the depressing reality but none of us have a real say they just pretend we do ha haxxx
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"As other posters have mentioned in past months; the main issue is scarcity of resources.
Mechanisation and outsourcing has put a lot of people out of work meaning fewer jobs, that's only going to continue.
Immigration and most of the other issues being discussed are really secondary as they're the by-product of a scarcity of resources.
This is usually derived though from a lack of skill set, take the North of England when the predominant work in the 80's was mining, ship building etc. When these industries died the workers did not know what to do next (a position I hope to never find myself in!) what I have found, as an employer, is that too many people do not want to do work they deem as beneath them. Sales/retail work has become the pit work (IE working class) of the modern age but some think this menial. We all know the industries that you see a lot of Polish in and this to me is an example of people rather sitting unemployed (again I do not want to tar all with the same brush!) than rolling up their sleeves to earn a living.
I see this all the time. But I don't think the answer is to import more people. I see this as re-educating and raising our expectations of our young people in particular x
Again I agree, the answer is not importing more but education. I think we have similar beliefs on the immigration issue, I just think that immigration will not be positively affected by leaving the EU, I think it would just increase those that are here illegally. If there were no jobs available as our young wanted them and took them I don't think our fellow Europeans would come over as much, but as they know that there are 'menial' jobs not being filled which still pay more than some of their best jobs at home they want to come over.
I also think there will be a lot of jobs lost by leaving the EU which in itself would compound the problem."
As a teenager I had two part time jobs. They were badly paid but taught me soft skills. Which enabled me to move up the ladder. Lots of young people are told to go to uni, study a non career specific degree and expect to leave and walk into a well paid job. Employers want experience. Except for certain careers be medical etc.
Leaving the EU won't mean job losses on mass. Some jobs may be lost, others created. Life will go on x
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