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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ive never really understood why Cliffy is hated so much by people that they actually wanted him to be guilty. The human species can be very nasty when it wants to be.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ive never really understood why Cliffy is hated so much by people that they actually wanted him to be guilty. The human species can be very nasty when it wants to be. "
It's actually pretty obvious..... We tend to point 1 finger when 3 others are pointing back. Most accusers do it as smoke screen.
He has succeeded where otherwise have tried and haven't. ..what I mean by that is he's succeeded against the normal assumed way of doing it...without dirt, stain, sucking up, bribery or corruption, sleeping around...the list goes on. It's not as if people (haters) haven't tried yet all the accusations over the years have never stuck....people will still continue to 'flung dung' at him.
I have a respect for this guy...he's different....maybe that's why he still has haters. I think his consistancy is admirable. ..rarely seem today.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ive never really understood why Cliffy is hated so much by people that they actually wanted him to be guilty. The human species can be very nasty when it wants to be.
It's actually pretty obvious..... We tend to point 1 finger when 3 others are pointing back. Most accusers do it as smoke screen.
He has succeeded where otherwise have tried and haven't. ..what I mean by that is he's succeeded against the normal assumed way of doing it...without dirt, stain, sucking up, bribery or corruption, sleeping around...the list goes on. It's not as if people (haters) haven't tried yet all the accusations over the years have never stuck....people will still continue to 'flung dung' at him.
I have a respect for this guy...he's different....maybe that's why he still has haters. I think his consistancy is admirable. ..rarely seem today.
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Yeh thats a good point. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It does not matter what is said now the damage has been done to the man, some will always believe he did it because to be successful and accused of wrongdoing is proof of guilt. "
Disagree....only in the minds of the haters. The truth doesn't need to prove itself...ItIis what it is. It's the minds of doubters that need the change...maybe the word doubter has a bigger association on the one doubting than they care to imagine. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ive never really understood why Cliffy is hated so much by people that they actually wanted him to be guilty. The human species can be very nasty when it wants to be.
It's actually pretty obvious..... We tend to point 1 finger when 3 others are pointing back. Most accusers do it as smoke screen.
He has succeeded where otherwise have tried and haven't. ..what I mean by that is he's succeeded against the normal assumed way of doing it...without dirt, stain, sucking up, bribery or corruption, sleeping around...the list goes on. It's not as if people (haters) haven't tried yet all the accusations over the years have never stuck....people will still continue to 'flung dung' at him.
I have a respect for this guy...he's different....maybe that's why he still has haters. I think his consistancy is admirable. ..rarely seem today.
Yeh thats a good point. "
I did deliberately omit the religious bit....he's not ashamed of his beliefs and never has...that's admirable in this secular age...ad of course attracts a huge load of haters again because he stands out.
Fair play to him...I admire the guy actually. Long live Cliff 
The day he dies....I'll be there will be many haters in quiet morning....secretly or course with their tails curled up u underneath  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This the guy that's been lying about his sexuality for decades?
For someone on a swinging site, is his sexuality anyones business other than his?  "
It is...for those who are not fully secure in their own...yes.
Correct me if I'm mistaken but I think the person who made the above comment is calling cliff a liar just because Cliff may decide not to be open a public about something which he feels is a private thing. It's nobodies actual business to be fair. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Who next i wonder,  "
It's been a sad year hasn't it.... There are still many in the wings too. The plus side is that it says alot about the quality of the people that came out of that time in all walks of life. It wasn't an easy time....yet thats what often produces diamonds. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I always said that it was a joke the way he was vilified in the press a dthe fact that the police raided his home without him even being there and to have hellicopters and the press there as well.
I was utterly discusted by the way they did the whole thing, and his acusers will be protected.
Juts the same as happened to Paul gambocini 'not sure about the spelling there' ruined his life because it only takes 1 person to acuse you and 1 to back them up, in gambos case the other person retracted the backup story because he did not actually know at the time.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A complaint was made the police investigated that complaint and sent all the evidence to the CPS who re_iewed all the information and in the opinion of a legally trained person there was reasonable doubt that a conviction could be upheld.
That is our system and as far as this case is concerned Mr Webb is innocent.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I wish in his statement he'd made some sort of comment supporting real victims of abuse.
Most are far too traumatised to come forward, and false accusations just make their stories even less likely to be believed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Time for anonymity for the accused as well as the victim?
Yes. And alleged victim"
There is no way that anyone accusing someone should be made to have their name made public. It could deter some from reporting such crimes.
I do, however, have serious concerns about the name of anyone being accused of rape or other serious sexual offenses being made public before trial. I know that there is the argument that knowing accusations against an individual may mean more victims come forward, but it could also just encourage band wagon jumpers.
If I was falsely accused of a serious offence, I would not be happy about my name being made public. Mud sticks after all, no smoke without fire people think... |
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"Time for anonymity for the accused as well as the victim?
Yes. And alleged victim
There is no way that anyone accusing someone should be made to have their name made public. It could deter some from reporting such crimes.
I do, however, have serious concerns about the name of anyone being accused of rape or other serious sexual offenses being made public before trial. I know that there is the argument that knowing accusations against an individual may mean more victims come forward, but it could also just encourage band wagon jumpers.
If I was falsely accused of a serious offence, I would not be happy about my name being made public. Mud sticks after all, no smoke without fire people think..."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This the guy that's been lying about his sexuality for decades?"
Says who?
Just because he doesn't have a girlfriend doesn't mean he is gay, which is what you are insinuating. X |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No one is mentioning the "victims" I see "
Why start another rumour  Maybe there actually weren't any in this case....so on that note...actually Cliff was mentioned. ..He is the victim of false allegations. ..yet again.
I do blame some of it on our claim culture too....lets get on the band wagon and make some claims. It's so unfortunate because it also gives those genuine victims suspicion in the eyes of onlookers too when they make legitimate allegations. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I wish in his statement he'd made some sort of comment supporting real victims of abuse.
Most are far too traumatised to come forward, and false accusations just make their stories even less likely to be believed."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This the guy that's been lying about his sexuality for decades?
Says who?
Just because he doesn't have a girlfriend doesn't mean he is gay, which is what you are insinuating. X"
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"This the guy that's been lying about his sexuality for decades?
Says who?
Just because he doesn't have a girlfriend doesn't mean he is gay, which is what you are insinuating. X"
But he does have a 'companion' who is an ex priest |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This the guy that's been lying about his sexuality for decades?
Says who?
Just because he doesn't have a girlfriend doesn't mean he is gay, which is what you are insinuating. X
But he does have a 'companion' who is an ex priest"
???? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Does that make him gay? I've a few very close male friends. ..One I'd call a soul mate....but never crossed my mind that I'm attracted physically at all. I'm 100 straight and so is he. One can have a brotherly friendship with someone with out being called gay. I'm aghast at the way some bi/gay men on here do _iew that though....its as if they need affirmation themselves on the issue. ..a lack of sexual understanding of themselves maybe.
(Sits back and waits the knighthood arrive lol) |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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having heard paul gambachinis recounting of his experiences whilst he was under suspicion for similar offences i am not surprised by this outcome . the active approaching of friends and neighbors to get them to make accusations against them was appalling behavior by those in charge paraded in front of the press whilst being re bailed etc always just after a conviction of one of the guilty ones
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By *ilacWoman
over a year ago
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"This the guy that's been lying about his sexuality for decades?
Says who?
Just because he doesn't have a girlfriend doesn't mean he is gay, which is what you are insinuating. X
But he does have a 'companion' who is an ex priest
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How is his sexuality relevant?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This the guy that's been lying about his sexuality for decades?
Says who?
Just because he doesn't have a girlfriend doesn't mean he is gay, which is what you are insinuating. X
But he does have a 'companion' who is an ex priest
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How is his sexuality relevant?
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Its not?
Has no bearing whatsoever on his current situation and should be of no interest to anyone? |
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By *ilacWoman
over a year ago
Cheshire |
"This the guy that's been lying about his sexuality for decades?
Says who?
Just because he doesn't have a girlfriend doesn't mean he is gay, which is what you are insinuating. X
But he does have a 'companion' who is an ex priest
????
How is his sexuality relevant?
Its not?
Has no bearing whatsoever on his current situation and should be of no interest to anyone?"
*nods*
Exactly |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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I agree that he shouldn't have been named. I don't agree that he is whiter than white. I believe there is something to these allegations. Pretty much everyone has anecdotal evidence of the cps failing to press charges. The alleged offenders from operation Yewtree have friends in very high places looking after them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As said above in this country he is innocent until proven guilty.
So no case to answer maintains innocence.
Best of luck to him. The police and bbc trick with the raid on his house was out of order. A cheap trick predicting outcomes and setting the scene for victorious senior police to come out on top. |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"Complete joke that he has had to go through all of that, wouldn't wish it on anyone who's innocent."
The cps haven't said there is no case to answer, they have said insufficient evidence. He has been named in various reports.
His name should not have been released before the raid but that does not make him whiter than white by a long way |
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By *andemanMan
over a year ago
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"Ive never really understood why Cliffy is hated so much by people that they actually wanted him to be guilty. The human species can be very nasty when it wants to be.
It's actually pretty obvious..... We tend to point 1 finger when 3 others are pointing back. Most accusers do it as smoke screen.
He has succeeded where otherwise have tried and haven't. ..what I mean by that is he's succeeded against the normal assumed way of doing it...without dirt, stain, sucking up, bribery or corruption, sleeping around...the list goes on. It's not as if people (haters) haven't tried yet all the accusations over the years have never stuck....people will still continue to 'flung dung' at him.
I have a respect for this guy...he's different....maybe that's why he still has haters. I think his consistancy is admirable. ..rarely seem today.
Yeh thats a good point. "
Yes very good point. And not sure he is lying about his sexuality i know guys who are as close to celabate as it gets and are straight just not interested! Weird but true. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Thankfully the feeling that someone is 'creepy' isn't enough to get a conviction in this country.
And seeing sex offenders in every corner I've very McCarthy-esque. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So even with collusion they have shown there is no real evidence. I support his statement about campaigning for anonymity for those accused of sex offenses until proven beyond doubt. |
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However I agree that anonymity should be maintained during the investigative stage. I think this did the most damage in trying to bring any case to court. Guilty or not.
Still...I guess that is me off all your Xmas card lists! |
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Bloody hell some on this thread seem to know more about than the justice system maybe you should all report him for what you think.
Insufficient evidence you can bet your life they did everything to try and prove his guilt.
As for his house being raided absolutly disgusting behaviout |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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I believe he IS guilty but the evidence was not sufficient to condemn him. # top legal team # friends at the top.
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Have you seen the evidence, read any statements or been involved in the prosecution of anyone at all |
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I believe he IS guilty but the evidence was not sufficient to condemn him. # top legal team # friends at the top.
Have you seen the evidence, read any statements or been involved in the prosecution of anyone at all"
Tsk View , you and your pesky insistence on facts and evidence  |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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I believe he IS guilty but the evidence was not sufficient to condemn him. # top legal team # friends at the top.
Have you seen the evidence, read any statements or been involved in the prosecution of anyone at all
Tsk View , you and your pesky insistence on facts and evidence "
I know, I know  |
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I believe he IS guilty but the evidence was not sufficient to condemn him. # top legal team # friends at the top.
Have you seen the evidence, read any statements or been involved in the prosecution of anyone at all"
Actually......yes. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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I believe he IS guilty but the evidence was not sufficient to condemn him. # top legal team # friends at the top.
Have you seen the evidence, read any statements or been involved in the prosecution of anyone at all
Actually......yes. "
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"Bloody hell some on this thread seem to know more about than the justice system maybe you should all report him for what you think.
Insufficient evidence you can bet your life they did everything to try and prove his guilt.
As for his house being raided absolutly disgusting behaviout"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"a few embarrassed faces. what a surprise someone can actually be innocent!"
But there's quite a few who don't want him to be and therefore will ignore the evidence and the judgement. I think there were many on the legal side too who wanted to find the evidence to prove him guilty. ..However. ....It be nice to have good news on this kind of subject but i suspect it's harder to swallow for some. |
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"I am entitled to my opinion. I have my reasons. That's it!
Yes you are, as are we "
I never challenged your opinion! However one challenged mine.
No I don't think he is innocent. Ok let me put it another way. I know he isn't. End of.
If others think he is innocent. That's up to you. Sadly it makes no difference for as someone said, it will all come out when he is dead. And the others. |
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"I am entitled to my opinion. I have my reasons. That's it!
Yes you are, as are we
I never challenged your opinion! However one challenged mine.
No I don't think he is innocent. Ok let me put it another way. I know he isn't. End of.
If others think he is innocent. That's up to you. Sadly it makes no difference for as someone said, it will all come out when he is dead. And the others. "
Ok. Obviously I know nothing of the details and its a shame that whatever it is that makes you so certain can't or won't be used as evidence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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No I don't think he is innocent. Ok let me put it another way. I know he isn't. End of.
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If you actually know, report it.
However if your evidence is merely that you've listened to what someone has told you, then you know about as much as everyone else and it's merely conjecture on your part. |
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"I think there are quite a few people who want to think the worst of him because they are jealous of him and just dont like him.
Oh yes! I am jealous of his music! But mostly his calendars!!! "
I meant jealous of his money and sucsess maybe not you but other people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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No I don't think he is innocent. Ok let me put it another way. I know he isn't. End of.
If you actually know, report it.
However if your evidence is merely that you've listened to what someone has told you, then you know about as much as everyone else and it's merely conjecture on your part."
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I am perfectly fine with my statement. I don't need to defend it at all. As you are all entitled to yours. It makes little difference as a case has not been brought to court. Doesn't change what I have said . That's the beauty of living in a free country! |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"That is good news he got cleared of it. No daubt a news paper payed a woman to lie about it."
You too busy watching big brother to find out the evidence before posting such shite?
Their was obviously insufficient evidence to prosecute but all his woes didn't start with some woman going to newspaper |
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"That is good news he got cleared of it. No daubt a news paper payed a woman to lie about it.
You too busy watching big brother to find out the evidence before posting such shite?
Their was obviously insufficient evidence to prosecute but all his woes didn't start with some woman going to newspaper"
...and 'insufficient' doesn't equal 'no evidence'. It simply means insufficient to have a chance of a successful prosecution.
Unfortunately much evidence has been conveniently 'lost' and covered up or removed when the Saville case came up. The man isn't stupid even if his music is diabolical! Best he stay in Barbados though!
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