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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Do the Labour party not realise that the EU referendum is bigger than party politics? Or is it an admission/realisation that the Labour party will never hold power again? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Do the Labour party not realise that the EU referendum is bigger than party politics? Or is it an admission/realisation that the Labour party will never hold power again?"
you could say this... but since pretti patel was on today this morning outlining how all the "saved EU money" would be spent in pledges.... you could say both sides are complicit in this...
there is a reasonable discussion to be had that labour's reasons for wanting to stay in can be different to tories... i like the social justices and improvement sides made by the EU rather then just the tory infighting and thats in a sense what the labour/lib dem/snp/greens can do that they can't!
i don't see a difference between "labour in" and "britain stronger in europe" on the remain side.... than i would do in "Vote Leave" and "Leave.EU" and "Grassroots Out" on the Exit side...
p.s the "Leave.EU" poster/tweet trying to connect immigration/security with Orlando to an out vote yesterday was shocking and abhorrant...
actually... and i thought i wouldn't say this... if the leave arguement put forward by dibgy jones on "daily politics"..... was what people on that side were saying, i would have been more inclined to vote that way... because i can see some of his rationale.... However Pretti Patel's interview on today this morning was car crash.... she was awful.....
and the thought on johnson,gove and patel being at the top of trying to negoiate the out scares me shitless...
they are writing cheques they are not going to be able to cash...... |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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The point is there is no status quo.
The EU is not going to be the same in 10 years time as it is today so everything is walking into the unknown.
The leave campaign cannot say what the savings from exiting the EU will be spent on because it will be the Conservative Government who will be leading the negotiations and making the decisions until the next general election not the leave campaign.
As for workers rights being at risk currently the UK Government give workers more protection than the EU does, they could have changed this but haven’t so unless Labour have given up on being in power after the next election they have nothing to fear.
Finally do not forget the Government have no money of their own, they collect money from taxpayers to fund government spending.
The EU has no money of it’s own it collects money from the Governments of EU countries to fund its spending.
In other words both types of “government” use your money to bribe you to vote for them or in their terms to benefit the citizens
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Do the Labour party not realise that the EU referendum is bigger than party politics? Or is it an admission/realisation that the Labour party will never hold power again?
you could say this... but since pretti patel was on today this morning outlining how all the "saved EU money" would be spent in pledges.... you could say both sides are complicit in this...
there is a reasonable discussion to be had that labour's reasons for wanting to stay in can be different to tories... i like the social justices and improvement sides made by the EU rather then just the tory infighting and thats in a sense what the labour/lib dem/snp/greens can do that they can't!
i don't see a difference between "labour in" and "britain stronger in europe" on the remain side.... than i would do in "Vote Leave" and "Leave.EU" and "Grassroots Out" on the Exit side...
p.s the "Leave.EU" poster/tweet trying to connect immigration/security with Orlando to an out vote yesterday was shocking and abhorrant...
actually... and i thought i wouldn't say this... if the leave arguement put forward by dibgy jones on "daily politics"..... was what people on that side were saying, i would have been more inclined to vote that way... because i can see some of his rationale.... However Pretti Patel's interview on today this morning was car crash.... she was awful.....
and the thought on johnson,gove and patel being at the top of trying to negoiate the out scares me shitless...
they are writing cheques they are not going to be able to cash......"
I agree on that one, they really don't know where or how much money will be spent. It just seems that Labour are being a bit defeatist by implying that workers rights etc are only safe with the EU. I've not heard much from the EU about the changes France want to make in their attempts to create growth, or maybe it's just not been reported. I've not heard the Conservative party campaigning to stay IN to protect workers rights either. It just seems a bit of a weak argument |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do the Labour party not realise that the EU referendum is bigger than party politics? Or is it an admission/realisation that the Labour party will never hold power again?"
Not with that commie in charge !! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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the UK Government give workers more protection than the EU does
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Thus is certainly not true in all areas of industrial relations. The rights of the British worker to take industrial action has been eroded, particularly since the Miners' Strike but also several incidents since. The Government have regularly tried to make strikes illegal for several groups, including Junior doctors, rail staff, Police officers etc.
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Not with that commie in charge !!"
Jeremy Corby is no more a communist than David Cameron is a fascist. |
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It boils down to what you want. Will the money saved by leaving be ploughed into the NHS with Tories in charge? Based on their history of stripping public assets and flogging them to their mates, I doubt that very much. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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the UK Government give workers more protection than the EU does
Thus is certainly not true in all areas of industrial relations. The rights of the British worker to take industrial action has been eroded, particularly since the Miners' Strike but also several incidents since. The Government have regularly tried to make strikes illegal for several groups, including Junior doctors, rail staff, Police officers etc.
Not with that commie in charge !!
Jeremy Corby is no more a communist than David Cameron is a fascist."
Jeremy Corby might not be a commie but that twatt in charge of labour is !! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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JC has been anti EU all his career.
I thought he was a man of principal but it appears not.
I live in a massive labour area and there is no interest in the EU here.
A local firm ran poll of its emplyees and it was 75% out. 200 votes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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the UK Government give workers more protection than the EU does
Thus is certainly not true in all areas of industrial relations. The rights of the British worker to take industrial action has been eroded, particularly since the Miners' Strike but also several incidents since. The Government have regularly tried to make strikes illegal for several groups, including Junior doctors, rail staff, Police officers etc.
Not with that commie in charge !!
Jeremy Corby is no more a communist than David Cameron is a fascist.
Jeremy Corby might not be a commie but that twatt in charge of labour is !!"
Corbyn is not a communist. And I hate my predictive text. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"It boils down to what you want. Will the money saved by leaving be ploughed into the NHS with Tories in charge? Based on their history of stripping public assets and flogging them to their mates, I doubt that very much."
see this is the point.... do you trust a government to put in the same money into where the EU put in the money....
i use the example of the VAT of fuel bills.... I would be more inclined to believe the tories pledge they would get rid of it if....
1) the tories hadn't been the people to put in on in first place (under leave campaigner and then chancellor Lord Lawson) then at 8%
2) the tories had not then proposed to increase it from 8% to 15%.... which was defeated in a backbench rebelion...
so do i believe they will do it... or they just picked up on something that sounds good trusting people will not do any back research...... |
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"JC has been anti EU all his career.
I thought he was a man of principal but it appears not.
I live in a massive labour area and there is no interest in the EU here.
A local firm ran poll of its emplyees and it was 75% out. 200 votes. "
Jeremy Corbyn should have stuck to his Eurosceptic principles and backed the Leave campaign. He could have been seen in a good light by many and maybe attracted some Labour voters back to the party who have deserted them and gone over to vote for UKip. Instead it looks like he has been bullied by Blairites in the Parliamentary Labour party into the position he is now in and he has abandoned his Eurosceptic principles only to back what looks like a bunch of losers in the Remain campaign. The Labour party are so out of touch with the general public on immigration issues it is unbelievable. They have refused to talk about immigration for more than a decade now, and tried to label anyone who raises concerns as racist, Xenophobic or bigoted (remember Gordon Brown's comments about Gillian Duffy before the 2010 general election when he thought the microphone was turned off, the mask well and truly slipped and he called her a bigoted woman). Seems typical of the Labour attitude and it seems like they are still in denial even now. Labour will reap what they have sewn over the last decade. Many in the Labour party are in for a big shock on June 24th when the result of the referendum is announced.
On the plus side i do applaud those Labour rebels like Frank Field, Kate Hoey, Dennis Skinner, John Mann and John Mills (among others) who have backed the leave campaign, it seems they have listened to their voters in their constituencies, and are more in touch with the general public than the line the official Labour party has taken. |
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"Corbyn is only 75% remain, it's the other 25% I actually believe "
This is what Jeremy Corbyn had to say about the EU during the Labour leadership election race....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErEumAi_zGU |
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This is not a declaration for or against but.....
.....haven't you noticed that Theresa May announced her support for Remain, made an anti EU speech and then went very quiet on the whole subject.
Of course, I am sure that she won't cynically use this to boost her potential as Cameron's successor as a loyal but anti EU candidate and a uniting force within her party.
Perish the thought.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"This is not a declaration for or against but.....
.....haven't you noticed that Theresa May announced her support for Remain, made an anti EU speech and then went very quiet on the whole subject.
Of course, I am sure that she won't cynically use this to boost her potential as Cameron's successor as a loyal but anti EU candidate and a uniting force within her party.
Perish the thought.
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Good point. That was hardly the speech of someone who truly wanted to Remain.
It's a pity so many have put their careers and parties ahead of the good of the country and Europe as a whole and pretended to want to remain |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Corbyn. once a paid up member of the, Communist. party."
That's probably the little bit of the EU that appeals to him. The lack of democracy and the race to the bottom |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh and like most of the Labour party now, a dislike for this country and for the working man"
So the working man should vote Tory? They will look after us? Boris, Cameron and the rest of the Bullingdon Boys? Give me a break.
I would also like to ask where is the data to support your accusation that most of the Labour Party dislike this Country and the working man? |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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This thread has to have by far and away the most ridiculous comments on it of any EU referendum thread so far.
As for Corbyn, I'm still trying to puzzle out what federal capitalism vs nationalist capitalism squabbling actually has to do with the left. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Corbyn. once a paid up member of the, Communist. party.
That's probably the little bit of the EU that appeals to him. The lack of democracy and the race to the bottom"
Why would a communist be interested in federalism at all?
Do you actually know what communism is? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Oh and like most of the Labour party now, a dislike for this country and for the working man
So the working man should vote Tory? They will look after us? Boris, Cameron and the rest of the Bullingdon Boys? Give me a break.
I would also like to ask where is the data to support your accusation that most of the Labour Party dislike this Country and the working man?"
No. But unfortunately the Tory party do more for the working man these days than Labour do. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Corbyn. once a paid up member of the, Communist. party.
That's probably the little bit of the EU that appeals to him. The lack of democracy and the race to the bottom
Why would a communist be interested in federalism at all?
Do you actually know what communism is?"
Yes. Thats why I said the bit |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Corbyn. once a paid up member of the, Communist. party.
That's probably the little bit of the EU that appeals to him. The lack of democracy and the race to the bottom
Why would a communist be interested in federalism at all?
Do you actually know what communism is?
Yes. Thats why I said the bit"
The bit where you claimed that somehow the continued exietence of the EU was of interest to communists?
Explain your logic please?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Corbyn. once a paid up member of the, Communist. party.
That's probably the little bit of the EU that appeals to him. The lack of democracy and the race to the bottom
Why would a communist be interested in federalism at all?
Do you actually know what communism is?
Yes. Thats why I said the bit
The bit where you claimed that somehow the continued exietence of the EU was of interest to communists?
Explain your logic please? "
is that like anything I actually said?  |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Corbyn. once a paid up member of the, Communist. party.
That's probably the little bit of the EU that appeals to him. The lack of democracy and the race to the bottom
Why would a communist be interested in federalism at all?
Do you actually know what communism is?
Yes. Thats why I said the bit
The bit where you claimed that somehow the continued exietence of the EU was of interest to communists?
Explain your logic please?
is that like anything I actually said? "
Yes. You drew parallels between the EU and "communism" and uesd it as a possible explanation for the appeal of the EU to Corbyn. That more than implies that you also agree with the assertion of the poster that you quoted that Corbyn is a communist. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Corbyn. The. Communist. Corbyn. The. Socialist. Corbyn. the terrioist sympathiser. Corbyn. the man who wants rid of our nuclear deterrent. I do not like his politics. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Corbyn. The. Communist. Corbyn. The. Socialist. Corbyn. the terrioist sympathiser. Corbyn. the man who wants rid of our nuclear deterrent. I do not like his politics."
Make up your mind. Is he a socialist or a Communist? |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
on the road to nowhere in particular |
Stop falling into the personality trap, ignore the faces, concentrate on the issues, in five years time, Cameron, Corbyn and co will be a footnote in history.
This issue is much bigger than that!
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"JC has been anti EU all his career.
I thought he was a man of principal but it appears not.
I live in a massive labour area and there is no interest in the EU here.
A local firm ran poll of its emplyees and it was 75% out. 200 votes.
Jeremy Corbyn should have stuck to his Eurosceptic principles and backed the Leave campaign. He could have been seen in a good light by many and maybe attracted some Labour voters back to the party who have deserted them and gone over to vote for UKip. Instead it looks like he has been bullied by Blairites in the Parliamentary Labour party into the position he is now in and he has abandoned his Eurosceptic principles only to back what looks like a bunch of losers in the Remain campaign. The Labour party are so out of touch with the general public on immigration issues it is unbelievable. They have refused to talk about immigration for more than a decade now, and tried to label anyone who raises concerns as racist, Xenophobic or bigoted (remember Gordon Brown's comments about Gillian Duffy before the 2010 general election when he thought the microphone was turned off, the mask well and truly slipped and he called her a bigoted woman). Seems typical of the Labour attitude and it seems like they are still in denial even now. Labour will reap what they have sewn over the last decade. Many in the Labour party are in for a big shock on June 24th when the result of the referendum is announced.
On the plus side i do applaud those Labour rebels like Frank Field, Kate Hoey, Dennis Skinner, John Mann and John Mills (among others) who have backed the leave campaign, it seems they have listened to their voters in their constituencies, and are more in touch with the general public than the line the official Labour party has taken. "
until the actual vote it is impossible to actually know how people will vote. yes you can wander around a constituency and ask peoples opinions, but these are never accurate. so saying the voters in these constituencies are voting one way or another is false. i have no problem with individuals saying what they intend to do, but as far as i recall this is a democracy and we all get a chance to make our own mind up - for good or bad. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Stop falling into the personality trap, ignore the faces, concentrate on the issues, in five years time, Cameron, Corbyn and co will be a footnote in history.
This issue is much bigger than that!
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The issue of the EU has been done to death all over this forum. I'm hardly what you'd call a Corbyn supporter (although I do like him slightly more than the rest of the shower of dickheads that make up most of our MPs)...
I'd probably agree if you called him a wishy washy, beardy liberal social democrat type.... |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Boris. Johnson. and, Nigel. Farage. Should form a government at the next general election.  They will get my vote. "
Don't be daft - Boris is just using brexit to further his ambitions of premiership. He will use Farrage as much as he can and then seek to utterly discredit him post referendum. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Boris. Johnson. and, Nigel. Farage. Should form a government at the next general election. They will get my vote.
Don't be daft - Boris is just using brexit to further his ambitions of premiership. He will use Farrage as much as he can and then seek to utterly discredit him post referendum. "
Either or, I want, Britain. more right wing. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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These threads are generally pretty useful for helping me decide who I'd not want to meet based on their tenuous grips on reality, or their ability not to let facts stand in the way of an opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"These threads are generally pretty useful for helping me decide who I'd not want to meet based on their tenuous grips on reality, or their ability not to let facts stand in the way of an opinion. "
Even your insurance forms can't cover some of the crap written on here  |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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"These threads are generally pretty useful for helping me decide who I'd not want to meet based on their tenuous grips on reality, or their ability not to let facts stand in the way of an opinion.
Even your insurance forms can't cover some of the crap written on here "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Boris. Johnson. and, Nigel. Farage. Should form a government at the next general election. They will get my vote.
Don't be daft - Boris is just using brexit to further his ambitions of premiership. He will use Farrage as much as he can and then seek to utterly discredit him post referendum.
Either or, I want, Britain. more right wing."
What benefits do you think that would bring? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Corbyn. The. Communist. Corbyn. The. Socialist. Corbyn. the terrioist sympathiser. Corbyn. the man who wants rid of our nuclear deterrent. I do not like his politics."
Putting your excess use of puntuation to one side, Corbyn is not a communist, and is not a terrorist sympathiser. I fear you are just lashing out at anthing that does not sit comfortably with your right wing politics.
Instead of trying to discredit Corbyn, why do you not try to make a reasoned and non emotional argument for leaving the EU.
Just for information, I am a member of the Labour Party but am undecided as to which way I shall be voting, and I love my Country despite what others have said in this thread |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"It boils down to what you want. Will the money saved by leaving be ploughed into the NHS with Tories in charge? Based on their history of stripping public assets and flogging them to their mates, I doubt that very much.
see this is the point.... do you trust a government to put in the same money into where the EU put in the money....
i use the example of the VAT of fuel bills.... I would be more inclined to believe the tories pledge they would get rid of it if....
1) the tories hadn't been the people to put in on in first place (under leave campaigner and then chancellor Lord Lawson) then at 8%
2) the tories had not then proposed to increase it from 8% to 15%.... which was defeated in a backbench rebelion...
so do i believe they will do it... or they just picked up on something that sounds good trusting people will not do any back research......"
But if we're in the EU we can't even suggest we'll get rid of it... we have, under EU VAT rules, got to charge a minimum of 5%. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Corbyn. The. Communist. Corbyn. The. Socialist. Corbyn. the terrioist sympathiser. Corbyn. the man who wants rid of our nuclear deterrent. I do not like his politics.
Putting your excess use of puntuation to one side, Corbyn is not a communist, and is not a terrorist sympathiser. I fear you are just lashing out at anthing that does not sit comfortably with your right wing politics.
Instead of trying to discredit Corbyn, why do you not try to make a reasoned and non emotional argument for leaving the EU.
Just for information, I am a member of the Labour Party but am undecided as to which way I shall be voting, and I love my Country despite what others have said in this thread"
Wheras I am a socialist and as such, could never be a member of the Labour Party... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whatever Tony Blair wants, i want the opposite..
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A poor way to make a decision IMHO. Make your mind up on the facts, not because you despise one individual ffs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whatever Tony Blair wants, i want the opposite..
A poor way to make a decision IMHO. Make your mind up on the facts, not because you despise one individual ffs."
Whatever camoron wants, i want the opposite. |
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"Oh and like most of the Labour party now, a dislike for this country and for the working man
So the working man should vote Tory? They will look after us? Boris, Cameron and the rest of the Bullingdon Boys? Give me a break.
I would also like to ask where is the data to support your accusation that most of the Labour Party dislike this Country and the working man?"
Who needs data when you have a lifetime of experience?
With only a few exceptions the Labour party are a despicable bunch of Stalinist communists and political chancers.
And that is putting it politely. |
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"Whatever Tony Blair wants, i want the opposite..
A poor way to make a decision IMHO. Make your mind up on the facts, not because you despise one individual ffs.
Whatever camoron wants, i want the opposite."
Whatever Corbyn wants I want the opposite.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whatever Tony Blair wants, i want the opposite..
A poor way to make a decision IMHO. Make your mind up on the facts, not because you despise one individual ffs.
Whatever camoron wants, i want the opposite.
Whatever Corbyn wants I want the opposite. "
He wants to leave doesn't he? |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Oh and like most of the Labour party now, a dislike for this country and for the working man
So the working man should vote Tory? They will look after us? Boris, Cameron and the rest of the Bullingdon Boys? Give me a break.
I would also like to ask where is the data to support your accusation that most of the Labour Party dislike this Country and the working man?
Who needs data when you have a lifetime of experience?
With only a few exceptions the Labour party are a despicable bunch of Stalinist communists and political chancers.
And that is putting it politely."
It's putting it pretty inaccurately too. Why would vanguardists seek to operate within the confines of the system?
The Labout Party are, and generally have been liberal social democrats, with the exeption of the period blair-milliband, when thwy were centre-right. |
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"Whatever Tony Blair wants, i want the opposite..
A poor way to make a decision IMHO. Make your mind up on the facts, not because you despise one individual ffs.
Whatever camoron wants, i want the opposite.
Whatever Corbyn wants I want the opposite.
He wants to leave doesn't he?"
He wants to leave, he wants to stay, he wants to make a speech, but he's not sure what he wants to say.
Basically the man is either a fool of the highest order or a despicable Stalinist prepared to put his own political dogma in front of any reasonable debate.
Nasty horrible man. |
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"Oh and like most of the Labour party now, a dislike for this country and for the working man
So the working man should vote Tory? They will look after us? Boris, Cameron and the rest of the Bullingdon Boys? Give me a break.
I would also like to ask where is the data to support your accusation that most of the Labour Party dislike this Country and the working man?
Who needs data when you have a lifetime of experience?
With only a few exceptions the Labour party are a despicable bunch of Stalinist communists and political chancers.
And that is putting it politely.
It's putting it pretty inaccurately too. Why would vanguardists seek to operate within the confines of the system?
The Labout Party are, and generally have been liberal social democrats, with the exeption of the period blair-milliband, when thwy were centre-right. "
Total bollocks.
The Labour party are SCUM.
They call the Tory's (in some cases rightfully) the nasty party, but they are rank bloody amateurs compared to the British hating, working man hating, enterprise hating, envious of everybody Labour SCUM.
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"Oh and like most of the Labour party now, a dislike for this country and for the working man
So the working man should vote Tory? They will look after us? Boris, Cameron and the rest of the Bullingdon Boys? Give me a break.
I would also like to ask where is the data to support your accusation that most of the Labour Party dislike this Country and the working man?
Who needs data when you have a lifetime of experience?
With only a few exceptions the Labour party are a despicable bunch of Stalinist communists and political chancers.
And that is putting it politely."
Bloody hell - you should see the ward meetings round my way.
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"Oh and like most of the Labour party now, a dislike for this country and for the working man
So the working man should vote Tory? They will look after us? Boris, Cameron and the rest of the Bullingdon Boys? Give me a break.
I would also like to ask where is the data to support your accusation that most of the Labour Party dislike this Country and the working man?
Who needs data when you have a lifetime of experience?
With only a few exceptions the Labour party are a despicable bunch of Stalinist communists and political chancers.
And that is putting it politely.
It's putting it pretty inaccurately too. Why would vanguardists seek to operate within the confines of the system?
The Labout Party are, and generally have been liberal social democrats, with the exeption of the period blair-milliband, when thwy were centre-right.
Total bollocks.
The Labour party are SCUM.
They call the Tory's (in some cases rightfully) the nasty party, but they are rank bloody amateurs compared to the British hating, working man hating, enterprise hating, envious of everybody Labour SCUM.
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And that from someone who is in Germany and Spain... |
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"Oh and like most of the Labour party now, a dislike for this country and for the working man
So the working man should vote Tory? They will look after us? Boris, Cameron and the rest of the Bullingdon Boys? Give me a break.
I would also like to ask where is the data to support your accusation that most of the Labour Party dislike this Country and the working man?
Who needs data when you have a lifetime of experience?
With only a few exceptions the Labour party are a despicable bunch of Stalinist communists and political chancers.
And that is putting it politely.
It's putting it pretty inaccurately too. Why would vanguardists seek to operate within the confines of the system?
The Labout Party are, and generally have been liberal social democrats, with the exeption of the period blair-milliband, when thwy were centre-right.
Total bollocks.
The Labour party are SCUM.
They call the Tory's (in some cases rightfully) the nasty party, but they are rank bloody amateurs compared to the British hating, working man hating, enterprise hating, envious of everybody Labour SCUM.
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but they still rank higher than the sexist homophobic racist scum that dill the UKIP party and there blind followers |
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"Oh and like most of the Labour party now, a dislike for this country and for the working man
So the working man should vote Tory? They will look after us? Boris, Cameron and the rest of the Bullingdon Boys? Give me a break.
I would also like to ask where is the data to support your accusation that most of the Labour Party dislike this Country and the working man?
Who needs data when you have a lifetime of experience?
With only a few exceptions the Labour party are a despicable bunch of Stalinist communists and political chancers.
And that is putting it politely.
It's putting it pretty inaccurately too. Why would vanguardists seek to operate within the confines of the system?
The Labout Party are, and generally have been liberal social democrats, with the exeption of the period blair-milliband, when thwy were centre-right.
Total bollocks.
The Labour party are SCUM.
They call the Tory's (in some cases rightfully) the nasty party, but they are rank bloody amateurs compared to the British hating, working man hating, enterprise hating, envious of everybody Labour SCUM.
And that from someone who is in Germany and Spain..."
Thankfully I managed to escape from Bliars Gulag. |
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"Oh and like most of the Labour party now, a dislike for this country and for the working man
So the working man should vote Tory? They will look after us? Boris, Cameron and the rest of the Bullingdon Boys? Give me a break.
I would also like to ask where is the data to support your accusation that most of the Labour Party dislike this Country and the working man?
Who needs data when you have a lifetime of experience?
With only a few exceptions the Labour party are a despicable bunch of Stalinist communists and political chancers.
And that is putting it politely.
It's putting it pretty inaccurately too. Why would vanguardists seek to operate within the confines of the system?
The Labout Party are, and generally have been liberal social democrats, with the exeption of the period blair-milliband, when thwy were centre-right.
Total bollocks.
The Labour party are SCUM.
They call the Tory's (in some cases rightfully) the nasty party, but they are rank bloody amateurs compared to the British hating, working man hating, enterprise hating, envious of everybody Labour SCUM.
but they still rank higher than the sexist homophobic racist scum that dill the UKIP party and there blind followers "
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I think Corbyn's fucked himself tbh.
He was always going to be a contentious leader but at least he could point to his record of credibility/sticking to his principles.
Now he's leader hes thrown away his old stance in order to put party politics first and has now ruined his USP of being an honest politician |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Corbin,brown bliar and kinnockflop what a motley crew lining up to do camerloons dirty work for him,solid labour area where I live,which has nothing in common with the about mentioned,plenty of leave banners up here |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Oh and like most of the Labour party now, a dislike for this country and for the working man
So the working man should vote Tory? They will look after us? Boris, Cameron and the rest of the Bullingdon Boys? Give me a break.
I would also like to ask where is the data to support your accusation that most of the Labour Party dislike this Country and the working man?
Who needs data when you have a lifetime of experience?
With only a few exceptions the Labour party are a despicable bunch of Stalinist communists and political chancers.
And that is putting it politely.
It's putting it pretty inaccurately too. Why would vanguardists seek to operate within the confines of the system?
The Labout Party are, and generally have been liberal social democrats, with the exeption of the period blair-milliband, when thwy were centre-right.
Total bollocks.
The Labour party are SCUM.
They call the Tory's (in some cases rightfully) the nasty party, but they are rank bloody amateurs compared to the British hating, working man hating, enterprise hating, envious of everybody Labour SCUM.
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Nice hysterical rant. Not really answered my point though, have you?
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
Wakefield |
"It boils down to what you want. Will the money saved by leaving be ploughed into the NHS with Tories in charge? Based on their history of stripping public assets and flogging them to their mates, I doubt that very much.
see this is the point.... do you trust a government to put in the same money into where the EU put in the money....
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so do i believe they will do it... or they just picked up on something that sounds good trusting people will not do any back research......"
Good points Fabio but selective.
Don’t forget Labour have opened more of the NHS to private companies than the Conservatives.
While on the subject perhaps you could remind us who brought in the “Bedroom Tax” in 2008, - Tony Blair and the Labour Government, they applied it to private rented accommodation, the Conservatives extended it to cover all rented accommodation.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So the working man should vote Tory? They will look after us? Boris, Cameron and the rest of the Bullingdon Boys? Give me a break. "
The working man should vote for whoever he feels is most in line with his persons views based on listening to policies opposed to blindly going with the 'I vote labour cos it's for t' working man' that I hear so often
Vote in or out based on your personal political opinions with out being blinded by the politicians saying them |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"It boils down to what you want. Will the money saved by leaving be ploughed into the NHS with Tories in charge? Based on their history of stripping public assets and flogging them to their mates, I doubt that very much.
see this is the point.... do you trust a government to put in the same money into where the EU put in the money....
i use the example of the VAT of fuel bills.... I would be more inclined to believe the tories pledge they would get rid of it if....
1) the tories hadn't been the people to put in on in first place (under leave campaigner and then chancellor Lord Lawson) then at 8%
2) the tories had not then proposed to increase it from 8% to 15%.... which was defeated in a backbench rebelion...
so do i believe they will do it... or they just picked up on something that sounds good trusting people will not do any back research......
But if we're in the EU we can't even suggest we'll get rid of it... we have, under EU VAT rules, got to charge a minimum of 5%. "
I accept that once you put the tax on... you can't then take it off....
the point i was making is do you trust the people to take it off bearing in mind their track record was to put it on in the first place... (to increase revenues) and to further try and increase it (to again increase revenues....)
you have a lot more faith than me.... because i don't think a lot of the stuff they are promising will ever see the light of day.... partly because they said it for grandstanding purposes.... and partly because if the economy does shrink... they wont have the money to do it...... |
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By *not69Man
over a year ago
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Putting your excess use of puntuation to one side, Corbyn is not a communist, and is not a terrorist sympathiser. I fear you are just lashing out at anthing that does not sit comfortably with your right wing politics.
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Jeremy Corbyn the terrorist sympathiser
From The Independent in Oct 2015
Jeremy Corbyn has refused to comment on new reports of his and shadow Chancellor John McDonnell's alleged "close links" to the IRA.
Archived documents showed Mr Corbyn attended several events supporting the IRA in the 1980s and '90s, and held a high-level position on a left-wing magazine that controversially sympathised with the Brighton Bombing in 1984, according to the Sunday Telegraph.
The man is pure scum |
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Putting your excess use of puntuation to one side, Corbyn is not a communist, and is not a terrorist sympathiser. I fear you are just lashing out at anthing that does not sit comfortably with your right wing politics.
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Jeremy Corbyn the terrorist sympathiser
From The Independent in Oct 2015
Jeremy Corbyn has refused to comment on new reports of his and shadow Chancellor John McDonnell's alleged "close links" to the IRA.
Archived documents showed Mr Corbyn attended several events supporting the IRA in the 1980s and '90s, and held a high-level position on a left-wing magazine that controversially sympathised with the Brighton Bombing in 1984, according to the Sunday Telegraph.
The man is pure scum"
What about David Cameron having 'private' talks with Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness as reported by the Belfast telegraph in July 2015?
Does that make David Cameron pure scum?
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