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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"...anyone watching it?
interesting views about middle east unrest"
stop trying to pretent you are an intellectual, you can't be watching it if you are on the forums. tch |
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"...anyone watching it?
interesting views about middle east unrest
stop trying to pretent you are an intellectual, you can't be watching it if you are on the forums. tch"
shes a girl she can multitask |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"nooooooooooo like a magnet to wishy this kind of thread lmao
I am watching sky news while on my 10th guinness....
pissed?? smart??? both???"
blimey a man? mutitasking? there's another turnip for the box. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
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By (user no longer on site)
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
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aye, their juices are flowing and they are licking their lips. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
aye, their juices are flowing and they are licking their lips."
it makes my blood boil and the only one making any sense, ironically, is the journalist
as he says, we are becoming the worlds soldiers whilst reducing our army |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
aye, their juices are flowing and they are licking their lips.
it makes my blood boil and the only one making any sense, ironically, is the journalist
as he says, we are becoming the worlds soldiers whilst reducing our army"
vampire soldiers at that |
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By *rumalexMan
over a year ago
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
aye, their juices are flowing and they are licking their lips.
it makes my blood boil and the only one making any sense, ironically, is the journalist
as he says, we are becoming the worlds soldiers whilst reducing our army"
personally i think we should leave them to it, if we go in today we will be liberators, tomorrow they will be killing our soldiers and calling them invaders, i think its time other muslim countries stepped in and did something for a change
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By (user no longer on site)
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
aye, their juices are flowing and they are licking their lips.
it makes my blood boil and the only one making any sense, ironically, is the journalist
as he says, we are becoming the worlds soldiers whilst reducing our army
personally i think we should leave them to it, if we go in today we will be liberators, tomorrow they will be killing our soldiers and calling them invaders, i think its time other muslim countries stepped in and did something for a change
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errr they seem a bit busy trying to overthrow dictators? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The Parlimentary debate today on the Middle East and N/Africa was good fer an understanding, tho still not terribly enlightening..tho its a terribly entangled situ and time for each speech was limited..
Egypt should get involved ..Rifkins right there.. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
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Libya will very much be NATO led under the auspice of the UN.. which means it probably be a few british jets... but mainly french, US and middle eastern Countries......
the interesting one is Bahrain... where the Saudi army went in to protect the Bahraini king and was almost unnoticed..... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The Parlimentary debate today on the Middle East and N/Africa was good fer an understanding, tho still not terribly enlightening..tho its a terribly entangled situ and time for each speech was limited..
Egypt should get involved ..Rifkins right there.. "
perhaps if the could put a word limit on baroness warsi they'd get somewhere |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
Libya will very much be NATO led under the auspice of the UN.. which means it probably be a few british jets... but mainly french, US and middle eastern Countries......
the interesting one is Bahrain... where the Saudi army went in to protect the Bahraini king and was almost unnoticed..... "
The most serious political event on the world arena today is Saudi and Bahrain ...yet it didn`t even make the BBC evening news ...wondrous!.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The problem is if you pick and choose which conflicts you intervene in then it looks like what it is: realpolitik. Why Iraq and not Zimbabwe? Libya and not Bahrain/Saudi Arabia? |
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
Libya will very much be NATO led under the auspice of the UN.. which means it probably be a few british jets... but mainly french, US and middle eastern Countries......
the interesting one is Bahrain... where the Saudi army went in to protect the Bahraini king and was almost unnoticed..... "
yes and i wonder why  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The Parlimentary debate today on the Middle East and N/Africa was good fer an understanding, tho still not terribly enlightening..tho its a terribly entangled situ and time for each speech was limited..
Egypt should get involved ..Rifkins right there..
perhaps if the could put a word limit on baroness warsi they'd get somewhere"
hahaha ...she`s a scream ain`t she ...I didn`t se her at the debate by the way !!.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
Libya will very much be NATO led under the auspice of the UN.. which means it probably be a few british jets... but mainly french, US and middle eastern Countries......
the interesting one is Bahrain... where the Saudi army went in to protect the Bahraini king and was almost unnoticed.....
yes and i wonder why "
Do tell  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
Libya will very much be NATO led under the auspice of the UN.. which means it probably be a few british jets... but mainly french, US and middle eastern Countries......
the interesting one is Bahrain... where the Saudi army went in to protect the Bahraini king and was almost unnoticed.....
The most serious political event on the world arena today is Saudi and Bahrain ...yet it didn`t even make the BBC evening news ...wondrous!.."
news used to be a feature on tv, now it's an inconvenience that blocks them getting ratings.
long as it's on their website eh?
there should be coverage of world news on the main channels not just the sky news channels |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
Libya will very much be NATO led under the auspice of the UN.. which means it probably be a few british jets... but mainly french, US and middle eastern Countries......
the interesting one is Bahrain... where the Saudi army went in to protect the Bahraini king and was almost unnoticed.....
yes and i wonder why
Do tell "
There's a well establish tradition of doing something naughty while everyone's looking in a different direction. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
Libya will very much be NATO led under the auspice of the UN.. which means it probably be a few british jets... but mainly french, US and middle eastern Countries......
the interesting one is Bahrain... where the Saudi army went in to protect the Bahraini king and was almost unnoticed.....
yes and i wonder why
Do tell
There's a well establish tradition of doing something naughty while everyone's looking in a different direction."
haha yeah and tell me something I don`t know ... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The problem is if you pick and choose which conflicts you intervene in then it looks like what it is: realpolitik. Why Iraq and not Zimbabwe? Libya and not Bahrain/Saudi Arabia? "
strange thing is that almost everyone knows why, but the media hype just goes on and on in the hope of brainwashing us. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The problem is if you pick and choose which conflicts you intervene in then it looks like what it is: realpolitik. Why Iraq and not Zimbabwe? Libya and not Bahrain/Saudi Arabia? "
would be nice if they could at least try to hide their agenda though! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
Libya will very much be NATO led under the auspice of the UN.. which means it probably be a few british jets... but mainly french, US and middle eastern Countries......
the interesting one is Bahrain... where the Saudi army went in to protect the Bahraini king and was almost unnoticed.....
The most serious political event on the world arena today is Saudi and Bahrain ...yet it didn`t even make the BBC evening news ...wondrous!..
news used to be a feature on tv, now it's an inconvenience that blocks them getting ratings.
long as it's on their website eh?
there should be coverage of world news on the main channels not just the sky news channels"
Most tele is the last place I get my news..no wonder its parodied so much ! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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news used to be a feature on tv, now it's an inconvenience that blocks them getting ratings.
long as it's on their website eh?
there should be coverage of world news on the main channels not just the sky news channels"
actually I have gotten into watching various different news outlets in the last couple of weeks... well besides sky news
MSNBC which is like the anti "fox-news" in America.... can point people in the direction of some absolutely fascinating news podcasts they do...
Al Jazeera English which is absolutely fantastic... I am well hooked on them now...... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Most tele is the last place I get my news..no wonder its parodied so much !"
politically we are doing more internationally in these past few weeks than i've ever seen, yet it does seem to fall under the radar.
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By (user no longer on site)
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news used to be a feature on tv, now it's an inconvenience that blocks them getting ratings.
long as it's on their website eh?
there should be coverage of world news on the main channels not just the sky news channels
actually I have gotten into watching various different news outlets in the last couple of weeks... well besides sky news
MSNBC which is like the anti "fox-news" in America.... can point people in the direction of some absolutely fascinating news podcasts they do...
Al Jazeera English which is absolutely fantastic... I am well hooked on them now......"
ah the "acceptable" face of journalism for Al Jazeera these days. How times have changed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Most tele is the last place I get my news..no wonder its parodied so much !
politically we are doing more internationally in these past few weeks than i've ever seen, yet it does seem to fall under the radar.
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It's called diplomacy. Do your dirty deeds whilst the public are engaged in other disasters. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Most tele is the last place I get my news..no wonder its parodied so much !
politically we are doing more internationally in these past few weeks than i've ever seen, yet it does seem to fall under the radar.
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Theres so much shifting sand ..all the undercurrents held in check fer decades is coming to the surface ....its a busy time indeed..possibly just starting eh?
I`m gobsmacked the UN resolution on Libya got thru ....China and Russia didn`t veto!!...theres a real surprise!... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I often wondered what it would be like if Baroness Warsi was ever talked down the way she talks down others. She's one of those politicians who you want to listen to but then you realise she just talks the talk.
I think she was uncharacteristically silent this evening and on shot she looked a little pale and drawn. Bit like the coalition? |
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"I often wondered what it would be like if Baroness Warsi was ever talked down the way she talks down others. She's one of those politicians who you want to listen to but then you realise she just talks the talk.
I think she was uncharacteristically silent this evening and on shot she looked a little pale and drawn. Bit like the coalition?"
they sharpened up the guillotine. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Most tele is the last place I get my news..no wonder its parodied so much !
politically we are doing more internationally in these past few weeks than i've ever seen, yet it does seem to fall under the radar.
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And doing it all so very, very badly.
It's almost as if William Hague is trying to get himself sacked to he can get back to a comfortable life of writing books (for which he's well paid) after dinner speaking (for which he's very well paid) and a string of company directorships (the remuneration for which is strangely unavailable).
Being Foreign Secretary just isn't what he and Ffion thought it'd turn out to be. |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
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History seems to tell us that the great and lasting democracies of this world were acheived through internal struggle and the will of the people - in contrast those regimes that were created artificially and/or propped up by meddlesome foreign powers seem to invariably collapse.
If we are to learn anything from this, it is that, painful though it may be to watch the brave citizens of Libya and Egypt give their lives, we need to leave them to win this fight and resolve their struggle for themselves if there is to be any hope of a truly stable government to appear in its place. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I often wondered what it would be like if Baroness Warsi was ever talked down the way she talks down others. She's one of those politicians who you want to listen to but then you realise she just talks the talk.
I think she was uncharacteristically silent this evening and on shot she looked a little pale and drawn. Bit like the coalition?
they sharpened up the guillotine."
Mr Dimbleby certainly did and held it dangerously close to her tongue! Simon Hughes gets on me tits. He's always on. |
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"I often wondered what it would be like if Baroness Warsi was ever talked down the way she talks down others. She's one of those politicians who you want to listen to but then you realise she just talks the talk.
I think she was uncharacteristically silent this evening and on shot she looked a little pale and drawn. Bit like the coalition?"
She's the personification of the Peter Principle. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Most tele is the last place I get my news..no wonder its parodied so much !
politically we are doing more internationally in these past few weeks than i've ever seen, yet it does seem to fall under the radar.
Theres so much shifting sand ..all the undercurrents held in check fer decades is coming to the surface ....its a busy time indeed..possibly just starting eh?
I`m gobsmacked the UN resolution on Libya got thru ....China and Russia didn`t veto!!...theres a real surprise!..."
I don't think China and Russia wanted to look like the ones to be propping up Gadaffi.... so it was better to abstain and "look the other way"... and the US needed other people to push this so it didn't look like an American Operation
interesting one for me was germany's decision to abstain, especially since the French, British, and Arab League were the ones pushing this.... brazil's president is very much left leaning (not quite as far left as hugo charvez in venezula... not far off though) so not surprised they abstained....
nice having a foreign policy discussion remaining very very civil... or could be the amount of guinness i've d*unk |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Inteestingly tho ....all of us have rarely had a chance to be better informed with the internet..
That includes the dispossessed and unfettered in autocratic regimes ...well excluding some ISP providers antics recently in the Middle East...
But nevertheless..we can get the real news...not the populist shit we`re fed mainstream .. |
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"I often wondered what it would be like if Baroness Warsi was ever talked down the way she talks down others. She's one of those politicians who you want to listen to but then you realise she just talks the talk.
I think she was uncharacteristically silent this evening and on shot she looked a little pale and drawn. Bit like the coalition?
She's the personification of the Peter Principle."
LOL that could describe most of the house of commons these days but none of them seem to scramble for hierarchy! Hierarchy lethargy hahahah |
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"we're hearing stories as to why we can justify international intervention in libya, yet not provide it in other middle-east countries
the middle east is fighting for democracy and we seem to be picking our fights very politically based on benefits rather than need
all this whilst we are reducing the defence budget and reducing our defence
History seems to tell us that the great and lasting democracies of this world were acheived through internal struggle and the will of the people - in contrast those regimes that were created artificially and/or propped up by meddlesome foreign powers seem to invariably collapse.
If we are to learn anything from this, it is that, painful though it may be to watch the brave citizens of Libya and Egypt give their lives, we need to leave them to win this fight and resolve their struggle for themselves if there is to be any hope of a truly stable government to appear in its place."
I tend to agree with you. Having lived in the Maghreb I have seen that when foreign governments begin to interfere nationals will rally round their present government even if they are corrups and undesirable. They would rather have that than foreign intervention it appears. |
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By *abioMan
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Al Jazeera English which is absolutely fantastic... I am well hooked on them now......
ah the "acceptable" face of journalism for Al Jazeera these days. How times have changed."
i know... does it make me "pinko-leftist" lol
if i say i watch al-jazeera for all there middle eastern coverage.. they give insights and actually don't rush interviews and explain the entire situation....
friday afternoons is fascinating to watch as they flit from conflict to conflict.... |
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"Hague's big hero is William Pitt the Younger. I think he needs a war with France in order to prove himself."
Just wait till they refuse to lend us a carrier when Liam Fox wants one. |
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"I often wondered what it would be like if Baroness Warsi was ever talked down the way she talks down others. She's one of those politicians who you want to listen to but then you realise she just talks the talk.
I think she was uncharacteristically silent this evening and on shot she looked a little pale and drawn. Bit like the coalition?
they sharpened up the guillotine.
Mr Dimbleby certainly did and held it dangerously close to her tongue! Simon Hughes gets on me tits. He's always on."
That's not fair! Push im off and let someone else have a go.  |
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Al Jazeera English which is absolutely fantastic... I am well hooked on them now......
ah the "acceptable" face of journalism for Al Jazeera these days. How times have changed.
i know... does it make me "pinko-leftist" lol
if i say i watch al-jazeera for all there middle eastern coverage.. they give insights and actually don't rush interviews and explain the entire situation....
friday afternoons is fascinating to watch as they flit from conflict to conflict...."
hmmmm think you may have pinko-leftish conflict flitting fetish? |
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Most tele is the last place I get my news..no wonder its parodied so much !
politically we are doing more internationally in these past few weeks than i've ever seen, yet it does seem to fall under the radar.
Theres so much shifting sand ..all the undercurrents held in check fer decades is coming to the surface ....its a busy time indeed..possibly just starting eh?
I`m gobsmacked the UN resolution on Libya got thru ....China and Russia didn`t veto!!...theres a real surprise!...
I don't think China and Russia wanted to look like the ones to be propping up Gadaffi.... so it was better to abstain and "look the other way"... and the US needed other people to push this so it didn't look like an American Operation
interesting one for me was germany's decision to abstain, especially since the French, British, and Arab League were the ones pushing this.... brazil's president is very much left leaning (not quite as far left as hugo charvez in venezula... not far off though) so not surprised they abstained....
nice having a foreign policy discussion remaining very very civil... or could be the amount of guinness i've d*unk"
Theres some truth in what you sat about China and Russia not wanting to look like they`re propping him up ....I think all the major players are really trying fer stability..
Russias forign minister has been very sanguine on the Middle East ...condemming Libya ...still China not vetoing ..jeez!
Yep ..the Arab League with teeth ..who would of thought ....
And yeah ...nice to chat and explore |
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"I often wondered what it would be like if Baroness Warsi was ever talked down the way she talks down others. She's one of those politicians who you want to listen to but then you realise she just talks the talk.
I think she was uncharacteristically silent this evening and on shot she looked a little pale and drawn. Bit like the coalition?
they sharpened up the guillotine.
Mr Dimbleby certainly did and held it dangerously close to her tongue! Simon Hughes gets on me tits. He's always on.
That's not fair! Push im off and let someone else have a go. "
It isn't easy to find a recognisable Lib Dem who hasn't swallowed the coalition line to make up the required party balance. There's Hughes and Shirley Williams and that's about it. |
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Theres some truth in what you sat about China and Russia not wanting to look like they`re propping him up ....I think all the major players are really trying fer stability..
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I suspect there's a strong 'let's pay him back for Lockerbie' view in some of the UN votes. |
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"Hague's big hero is William Pitt the Younger. I think he needs a war with France in order to prove himself.
Just wait till they refuse to lend us a carrier when Liam Fox wants one."
not surprising is the fact that they have identified a gap in capability from the criminal damage they inflicted on the nimrods and are now trying to fill that gap.
the same for hms cumberland...she was on her way to the knackers yard when she was diverted to libya.
yet, the sdsr review will not be re-opened.
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China and Russia only abstained. They've obviously calculated that they'll let the rest of them go in and then take their share of the spoils of war when the dust settles. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Theres some truth in what you sat about China and Russia not wanting to look like they`re propping him up ....I think all the major players are really trying fer stability..
I suspect there's a strong 'let's pay him back for Lockerbie' view in some of the UN votes."
I don`t think so ...who knows tho ...
The Middle East could explode given the unrest ...I tend to think its stability they`re after.. |
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Theres some truth in what you sat about China and Russia not wanting to look like they`re propping him up ....I think all the major players are really trying fer stability..
I suspect there's a strong 'let's pay him back for Lockerbie' view in some of the UN votes.
I don`t think so ...who knows tho ...
The Middle East could explode given the unrest ...I tend to think its stability they`re after.."
When you recall the US reaction to the quite astonishing decision taken by Scotland's Justice Secretary, Kenny MacAskill, to release Megrahi so he could go home to die within 3 months - about 18 months ago - it's hardly surprising they quite fancy blowing up much of the country (Libya, not Scotland - although I suspect bombing Scotland crossed Obama's mind at the time). |
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Theres some truth in what you sat about China and Russia not wanting to look like they`re propping him up ....I think all the major players are really trying fer stability..
I suspect there's a strong 'let's pay him back for Lockerbie' view in some of the UN votes.
I don`t think so ...who knows tho ...
The Middle East could explode given the unrest ...I tend to think its stability they`re after.."
i second that. the idea that muslims are wholly against the western way of life has been on every propaganda flyer that's been posted along with our money off vouchers for a new government
i believe they do want democracy, they are better educated, they are stronger for it and they are voting with their feet...and fists....and other weapons |
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"China and Russia only abstained. They've obviously calculated that they'll let the rest of them go in and then take their share of the spoils of war when the dust settles. "
when you say the rest of them "go in"... in the resolution it states that no other countries are allowed to enter libya... so it may well be a civil war for a while...
what the resolution does is take the libyan air force out of the fight....which means the ground forces now don't have air cover..... |
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Theres some truth in what you sat about China and Russia not wanting to look like they`re propping him up ....I think all the major players are really trying fer stability..
I suspect there's a strong 'let's pay him back for Lockerbie' view in some of the UN votes.
I don`t think so ...who knows tho ...
The Middle East could explode given the unrest ...I tend to think its stability they`re after..
When you recall the US reaction to the quite astonishing decision taken by Scotland's Justice Secretary, Kenny MacAskill, to release Megrahi so he could go home to die within 3 months - about 18 months ago - it's hardly surprising they quite fancy blowing up much of the country (Libya, not Scotland - although I suspect bombing Scotland crossed Obama's mind at the time)."
Oh ..I think theres a few electoral policies governing limp dick Obama foreign policy at the moment ....I don`t think Lockerbie playsa big part in it tho ...oil price is high on the agenda!
Interesting beyond compare is Saudis 2 fingers to the US ...Suadi`s fear of an Shia uprising ..
Given the precedent ...do we go in to save Saudi rebels ?...fascinating precedent with the UN resolution ...with Iran exerting leverage in Iraq?..Libya wan`t on its own with Lockerbie !.. |
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"China and Russia only abstained. They've obviously calculated that they'll let the rest of them go in and then take their share of the spoils of war when the dust settles.
when you say the rest of them "go in"... in the resolution it states that no other countries are allowed to enter libya... so it may well be a civil war for a while...
what the resolution does is take the libyan air force out of the fight....which means the ground forces now don't have air cover....."
Unfortunately most serious commentators are suggesting its to late to stop a massacre of the rebels ....horrific slaughter could still happen ..poor brave buggers ... |
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...........Libya wan`t on its own with Lockerbie !.."
Agreed; but, by handing Megrahi over for trial at Zeist and paying compensation, Libya put itself squarely in the cross-hairs. |
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...........Libya wan`t on its own with Lockerbie !..
Agreed; but, by handing Megrahi over for trial at Zeist and paying compensation, Libya put itself squarely in the cross-hairs."
A bit of realpolitik that certainly didn`t work eh .. |
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"China and Russia only abstained. They've obviously calculated that they'll let the rest of them go in and then take their share of the spoils of war when the dust settles.
when you say the rest of them "go in"... in the resolution it states that no other countries are allowed to enter libya... so it may well be a civil war for a while...
what the resolution does is take the libyan air force out of the fight....which means the ground forces now don't have air cover.....
Unfortunately most serious commentators are suggesting its to late to stop a massacre of the rebels ....horrific slaughter could still happen ..poor brave buggers ..."
it's happening now by all accounts. there will be many tortured and killed for their cause.
we can't be bothered to exercise our right to vote and these amazing people are laying down their lives to get what we take for granted |
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"when you say the rest of them "go in"... in the resolution it states that no other countries are allowed to enter libya... so it may well be a civil war for a while...
what the resolution does is take the libyan air force out of the fight....which means the ground forces now don't have air cover....."
Although the resolution states that it "excludes an occupation force", it also says that it authorises member states to "take all necessary measures" to "protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack."
Therefore land forces are bound to go in; they just won't be "an occupying force". It's all semantics. Anyway the SAS have already been sniffing around, haven't they? 
I'm glad that the UN have finally done something though. It's all very well Kelvin Mackenzie showboating on Question Time but civilisation (if it means anything at all) can't just sit back and let fascism stamp its boot on the faces of the innocent. |
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Oh ..I think theres a few electoral policies governing limp dick Obama foreign policy at the moment ....I don`t think Lockerbie playsa big part in it tho ...oil price is high on the agenda!
Interesting beyond compare is Saudis 2 fingers to the US ...Suadi`s fear of an Shia uprising ..
Given the precedent ...do we go in to save Saudi rebels ?...fascinating precedent with the UN resolution ...with Iran exerting leverage in Iraq?..Libya wan`t on its own with Lockerbie !.."
Actually.. i agree with you, I am not sure what US foreign policy is... where they got it right in Tunisia and Egypt, they have got it wrong in Libya... nowhere near strong enough
as for US and Saudi.... no chance of the US doing a thing!!! Primarily because of the amount that Saudi spend on US arms and planes if nothing else...
actually will be interesting to see if Iran crank up the talk if Bahrain with saudi backing do really really crackdown on shia protesters..... tomorrow afternoon could be a flashpoint.... |
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...........Libya wan`t on its own with Lockerbie !..
Agreed; but, by handing Megrahi over for trial at Zeist and paying compensation, Libya put itself squarely in the cross-hairs.
A bit of realpolitik that certainly didn`t work eh .."
It probably seemed like a good idea at the time. |
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...........Libya wan`t on its own with Lockerbie !..
Agreed; but, by handing Megrahi over for trial at Zeist and paying compensation, Libya put itself squarely in the cross-hairs.
A bit of realpolitik that certainly didn`t work eh ..
It probably seemed like a good idea at the time."
Yeah but not quite 'Weekend At Bernies'.... |
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...........Libya wan`t on its own with Lockerbie !..
Agreed; but, by handing Megrahi over for trial at Zeist and paying compensation, Libya put itself squarely in the cross-hairs.
A bit of realpolitik that certainly didn`t work eh ..
It probably seemed like a good idea at the time."
Money seemed looked a good idea ...yeah |
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Therefore land forces are bound to go in; they just won't be "an occupying force". It's all semantics. Anyway the SAS have already been sniffing around, haven't they?
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Once they find their helicopter it'll be straight back to Credenhill. |
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Oh ..I think theres a few electoral policies governing limp dick Obama foreign policy at the moment ....I don`t think Lockerbie playsa big part in it tho ...oil price is high on the agenda!
Interesting beyond compare is Saudis 2 fingers to the US ...Suadi`s fear of an Shia uprising ..
Given the precedent ...do we go in to save Saudi rebels ?...fascinating precedent with the UN resolution ...with Iran exerting leverage in Iraq?..Libya wan`t on its own with Lockerbie !..
Actually.. i agree with you, I am not sure what US foreign policy is... where they got it right in Tunisia and Egypt, they have got it wrong in Libya... nowhere near strong enough
as for US and Saudi.... no chance of the US doing a thing!!! Primarily because of the amount that Saudi spend on US arms and planes if nothing else...
actually will be interesting to see if Iran crank up the talk if Bahrain with saudi backing do really really crackdown on shia protesters..... tomorrow afternoon could be a flashpoint...."
Given history America is almost damned if it does and damned if it doesn`t ...it certainly looks weak at the moment...they`re acutely aware of the Middle East activists grasp of history ...they`re not daft to the geo political considerations of the West ..
They are certainly compromised by Saudis oil ...a familar refrain I know ..but with some merit ...and his domestic concerns are pressing..hes mindful of reelection ...I don`t think the American public are ready fer more American troops in body bags ..the Jewish vote is important to ...with Iran playing politics in the region ...Israel ain`t to happy ...
Yeah ...jeez ....this could all go tits up ..
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"China and Russia only abstained. They've obviously calculated that they'll let the rest of them go in and then take their share of the spoils of war when the dust settles.
when you say the rest of them "go in"... in the resolution it states that no other countries are allowed to enter libya... so it may well be a civil war for a while...
what the resolution does is take the libyan air force out of the fight....which means the ground forces now don't have air cover.....
Unfortunately most serious commentators are suggesting its to late to stop a massacre of the rebels ....horrific slaughter could still happen ..poor brave buggers ...
it's happening now by all accounts. there will be many tortured and killed for their cause.
we can't be bothered to exercise our right to vote and these amazing people are laying down their lives to get what we take for granted"
Tragically you`re right ...on both counts .. |
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When a mad dictator issues a chilling warning to opposition forces that "he's coming to get them and they can expect no mercy" it is right and proper for the rest of the world to step in and say "No, you're not!"
The UN has ruled out a ground invasion of Libya so a no-fly zone will be enforced so that Gadaffi cannot use his warplanes against his own civilians.
How can any decent person argue against preventing the wholesale slaughter of people who's only 'crime' is wanting to be free. |
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"When a mad dictator issues a chilling warning to opposition forces that "he's coming to get them and they can expect no mercy" it is right and proper for the rest of the world to step in and say "No, you're not!"
The UN has ruled out a ground invasion of Libya so a no-fly zone will be enforced so that Gadaffi cannot use his warplanes against his own civilians.
How can any decent person argue against preventing the wholesale slaughter of people who's only 'crime' is wanting to be free."
i totally agree with you ,so its off to Bahrain ,Saudi Arabia ,Zimbabwe,North Korea,Sri lanka and Tibet next then ?
Good old Dave
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"When a mad dictator issues a chilling warning to opposition forces that "he's coming to get them and they can expect no mercy" it is right and proper for the rest of the world to step in and say "No, you're not!"
The UN has ruled out a ground invasion of Libya so a no-fly zone will be enforced so that Gadaffi cannot use his warplanes against his own civilians.
How can any decent person argue against preventing the wholesale slaughter of people who's only 'crime' is wanting to be free."
the air being the one place that gadafi's regime is not hitting the rebels.....?! |
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"When a mad dictator issues a chilling warning to opposition forces that "he's coming to get them and they can expect no mercy" it is right and proper for the rest of the world to step in and say "No, you're not!"
The UN has ruled out a ground invasion of Libya so a no-fly zone will be enforced so that Gadaffi cannot use his warplanes against his own civilians.
How can any decent person argue against preventing the wholesale slaughter of people who's only 'crime' is wanting to be free.
i totally agree with you ,so its off to Bahrain ,Saudi Arabia ,Zimbabwe,North Korea,Sri lanka and Tibet next then ?
Good old Dave
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"When a mad dictator issues a chilling warning to opposition forces that "he's coming to get them and they can expect no mercy" it is right and proper for the rest of the world to step in and say "No, you're not!"
The UN has ruled out a ground invasion of Libya so a no-fly zone will be enforced so that Gadaffi cannot use his warplanes against his own civilians.
How can any decent person argue against preventing the wholesale slaughter of people who's only 'crime' is wanting to be free.
i totally agree with you ,so its off to Bahrain ,Saudi Arabia ,Zimbabwe,North Korea,Sri lanka and Tibet next then ?
Good old Dave
world's soldiers."
lol ,i dont think so can you imagine the conversation on the hotline...
Right brits ,you bring your aircraft carriers dowm moor them 30 miles off the coast dont forget to bring your harriers,they were good in the falklands and you have had em all updated in the last 10 years,oh and the nice new sparkling nimrods would be useful for monitoring the ground traffic...........silence..
gulp.....whispers....we havent broken up the tornadoes yet have we...I'll just go and check primeminister ? |
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lol ,i dont think so can you imagine the conversation on the hotline...
Right brits ,you bring your aircraft carriers dowm moor them 30 miles off the coast dont forget to bring your harriers,they were good in the falklands and you have had em all updated in the last 10 years,oh and the nice new sparkling nimrods would be useful for monitoring the ground traffic...........silence..
gulp.....whispers....we havent broken up the tornadoes yet have we...I'll just go and check primeminister ?"
anyone remember what position we were in just before the falklands?
a defence review that was seeing us breaking up our ships and then having to re-think a bit when the incumbent government realised the error of their ways and decided they were needed out there.
touch of deja vu or am i in the wrong thread? |
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lol ,i dont think so can you imagine the conversation on the hotline...
Right brits ,you bring your aircraft carriers dowm moor them 30 miles off the coast dont forget to bring your harriers,they were good in the falklands and you have had em all updated in the last 10 years,oh and the nice new sparkling nimrods would be useful for monitoring the ground traffic...........silence..
gulp.....whispers....we havent broken up the tornadoes yet have we...I'll just go and check primeminister ?
anyone remember what position we were in just before the falklands?
a defence review that was seeing us breaking up our ships and then having to re-think a bit when the incumbent government realised the error of their ways and decided they were needed out there.
touch of deja vu or am i in the wrong thread?"
nahh i remember it well ,no one can deny if they are not needed, they are not needed, BUT ,to get rid of your aircraft carriers and eyes in the sky is a bit like saying " we are staying at home and fight it out amongst yourselves" for 10 years ,
Which is fine as long as as your not a PM talking a talk and realying on the rest to do the fighting..it makes us a bit like the little bloke at the back shouting .."go on hit him "..  |
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anyone remember what position we were in just before the falklands?
a defence review that was seeing us breaking up our ships and then having to re-think a bit when the incumbent government realised the error of their ways and decided they were needed out there.
touch of deja vu or am i in the wrong thread?
nahh i remember it well ,no one can deny if they are not needed, they are not needed, BUT ,to get rid of your aircraft carriers and eyes in the sky is a bit like saying " we are staying at home and fight it out amongst yourselves" for 10 years ,
Which is fine as long as as your not a PM talking a talk and realying on the rest to do the fighting..it makes us a bit like the little bloke at the back shouting .."go on hit him ".. "
except we're not saying "hit him", we're saying "hit him with this....." then realising we don't have anything to hand |
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anyone remember what position we were in just before the falklands?
a defence review that was seeing us breaking up our ships and then having to re-think a bit when the incumbent government realised the error of their ways and decided they were needed out there.
touch of deja vu or am i in the wrong thread?
nahh i remember it well ,no one can deny if they are not needed, they are not needed, BUT ,to get rid of your aircraft carriers and eyes in the sky is a bit like saying " we are staying at home and fight it out amongst yourselves" for 10 years ,
Which is fine as long as as your not a PM talking a talk and realying on the rest to do the fighting..it makes us a bit like the little bloke at the back shouting .."go on hit him "..
except we're not saying "hit him", we're saying "hit him with this....." then realising we don't have anything to hand"
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