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The ITV Referendum Debate

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Will you also watch it? It is on itv1 8pm and it is a two hour long live debate, 3 senior political figures from each side of the argument answer questions from members of the studio audience

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Will you also watch it? It is on itv1 8pm and it is a two hour long live debate, 3 senior political figures from each side of the argument answer questions from members of the studio audience

Yes I'll be watching it Shag. I'll also be watching Question Time on BBC afterwards.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Will you also watch it? It is on itv1 8pm and it is a two hour long live debate, 3 senior political figures from each side of the argument answer questions from members of the studio audience

Yes I'll be watching it Shag. I'll also be watching Question Time on BBC afterwards. "
Nice one and yes me too. I will watch the question time too. I like all these debates and _iews from both sides.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I just wonder how out favourite scottish brexiter is going to cope seeing his wee girl nicola putting up a fight for the remain campaign.....

he is gonna explode.......

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It is starting, should be a good one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

whos on the debate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

boris johnson

im in

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

Boris started it, I switched over

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"boris johnson

im in

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Yes him, nicola and few others.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wish they would stop going in about the money paid to the eu because they keep inflating the figure.

It's about 160-170 million not the 315 million they keep on taking about and makes it a bit of s joke.

Stick to real figures and people might listen

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By *alcon43Woman over a year ago

Paisley

Can't stand them when they talk over each other. It starts off civilised then it's like the playground.

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By *alcon43Woman over a year ago

Paisley

That's the problem. Inconsistency in their so called facts makes them unbelievable.

They never really answer the questions properly. The public wants straight answers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i gave it 10 minutes and turned the tv off

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"boris johnson

im in

Jeez, I'm glad I'm overseas.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Half an hour in and Angela Eagle for the Remain side has already told 2 whopping lies. First she said Stuart Rose from the remain side never said wages would go up if we leave the EU. Fact is Stuart Rose from the Remain side DID say wages would rise if we leave the EU when he appeared in front of the commons select committee. The 2nd lie she told was the 9 out of 10 economists support Remain. Itv news debunked that on Tuesday night after the Farage/Cameron debate. Nothing but lies, misinformation and untruths from Remain.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

They are talking about if the economy would be better in the eu or out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Half time. Leavers pissin on the remainers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's on in the background. Gisela Stuart seems so fucking dumb. I don't know why questions aren't being answered directly when strong answers are available.

Boris Johnson is cringeworthy too. That wasn't something learned from his contributions here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Half an hour in and Angela Eagle for the Remain side has already told 2 whopping lies. First she said Stuart Rose from the remain side never said wages would go up if we leave the EU. Fact is Stuart Rose from the Remain side DID say wages would rise if we leave the EU when he appeared in front of the commons select committee. The 2nd lie she told was the 9 out of 10 economists support Remain. Itv news debunked that on Tuesday night after the Farage/Cameron debate. Nothing but lies, misinformation and untruths from Remain. "

How has the 9/10 economists supporting remaining in the EU fact been "debunked" when it was the result a large survey? It's not like they asked monkeys, they asked hundreds of economists.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Half time. Leavers pissin on the remainers

All Remain have to offer is hurling insults and trying to turn it into a personality contest with constant digs at Boris. As Gisela Stuart Labour MP for Leave pointed out this EU issue is much bigger than any personality on the stage.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Half time. Leavers pissin on the remainers

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really....

i scores it 2-1...

i think leave just sneeked it on the immigration.... but the remain side absolutly won the economy and the nhs questions....

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

god nicola is a beast.... i live in newcastle and i want to vote for the SNP....

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

How has the 9/10 economists supporting remaining in the EU fact been "debunked" when it was the result a large survey? It's not like they asked monkeys, they asked hundreds of economists. "

You must have missed itv news at 10 on Tuesday night after the Cameron/Farage debate as it was debunked then. Itv news said 4000 economists were asked and only 600 replied, so it's only 9 out of 10 from 600 and not the 4000 the Remain campaign would like us to believe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How has the 9/10 economists supporting remaining in the EU fact been "debunked" when it was the result a large survey? It's not like they asked monkeys, they asked hundreds of economists.

I still don't understand how you think that's discrediting the survey. Response rate doesn't mean the answers change, it's a percentage?

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I still don't understand how you think that's discrediting the survey. Response rate doesn't mean the answers change, it's a percentage? "

to get 15% of an entire profession to answer a survey is actually pretty impressive....

do you know how many voters you would need to get for one of these polls to have the same success rate....

the answer would be about 4.5 million....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't see why the leave campaign insists we ultimately answer the EU, when it's simply not true. Or why our membership is undemocratic. And why they insist on the 60% laws figure when it's accepted that it's 13% of actual laws.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I still don't understand how you think that's discrediting the survey. Response rate doesn't mean the answers change, it's a percentage?

to get 15% of an entire profession to answer a survey is actually pretty impressive....

do you know how many voters you would need to get for one of these polls to have the same success rate....

the answer would be about 4.5 million....

I know, to expect 100% response rate or the survey is considered "debunked" is silly. Over 600 economists is a decent figure to give a very good sample.

I'm sure it wouldn't be doubted if it were to find the EU negatively affects the GDP.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I find it freaky that Andrea Leadsom is in a room full with an audience, is debating with her peers yet still talks directly at the camera.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

How has the 9/10 economists supporting remaining in the EU fact been "debunked" when it was the result a large survey? It's not like they asked monkeys, they asked hundreds of economists.

9 out of 10 is still something anyone looking at the issue would take into account..

if it was the same ratio agreeing with Brexit's economic forecasts (what are they btw?) you would not be trying to evade a salient point again..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How has the 9/10 economists supporting remaining in the EU fact been "debunked" when it was the result a large survey? It's not like they asked monkeys, they asked hundreds of economists.

9 out of 10 is still something anyone looking at the issue would take into account..

if it was the same ratio agreeing with Brexit's economic forecasts (what are they btw?) you would not be trying to evade a salient point again.."

12% of economists polled say leaving the EU won't affect our GDP

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

when did an economist ever get their guesses right, whenever the government or IMF world bank or who ever say in six months growth will be this or inflation that they are never right.

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

12% of economists polled say leaving the EU won't affect our GDP ...so that's 88% of economists who think its going to affect GDP ..and. Still people want to support brexit ..unbelievable.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"when did an economist ever get their guesses right, whenever the government or IMF world bank or who ever say in six months growth will be this or inflation that they are never right. "

You've got blinkers on if you believe economic advisors aren't integral to the UK.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"when did an economist ever get their guesses right, whenever the government or IMF world bank or who ever say in six months growth will be this or inflation that they are never right. "

well then must get them right more times than not or people wouldn't place such credence on them.....

or should we just listen to the ecomonists on the side that we favour....

in fact i am likely to believe people who are experts in their fields over politicians... because as you see with boris tonight, it gets scarily to the point they say a lie enough times they actually believe to think it......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"12% of economists polled say leaving the EU won't affect our GDP ...so that's 88% of economists who think its going to affect GDP ..and. Still people want to support brexit ..unbelievable....."

Aw I was being a bit facetious with turning that fact up side down. I agree, it doesn't make sense to turn your back on such a large market - especially when your own salary won't go as far as a result of that choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?"

No.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

No."

Me neither.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

I still don't understand how you think that's discrediting the survey. Response rate doesn't mean the answers change, it's a percentage?

to get 15% of an entire profession to answer a survey is actually pretty impressive....

do you know how many voters you would need to get for one of these polls to have the same success rate....

the answer would be about 4.5 million....

I know, to expect 100% response rate or the survey is considered "debunked" is silly. Over 600 economists is a decent figure to give a very good sample.

I'm sure it wouldn't be doubted if it were to find the EU negatively affects the GDP. "

....and it's still 3400 economists who never replied to the survey. Still Remain campaign never mentions that little stat.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"12% of economists polled say leaving the EU won't affect our GDP ...so that's 88% of economists who think its going to affect GDP ..and. Still people want to support brexit ..unbelievable.....

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

if i was scoring that as a 6 round boxing match... 10 point must...

i scored in 59-57 remain..... 3 wins to 1 with 2 even....

i think leave won question 1 on immigration... remain won 2,3, and 4... economy,the nhs, and womens rights, with the last two even......sovreignty and scarmongering...with leave scaremongering at the end.....

nicola was a beast and actually was pleasantly surprised with amber rudd... angela eagle was disappointing, i though she would have done better.....

leadsom was looking weirdly into the camera all night, and boris was... well, boris....(wouldn't want to play poker with him... his lie face looked like his normal face)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"if i was scoring that as a 6 round boxing match... 10 point must...

i scored in 59-57 remain..... 3 wins to 1 with 2 even....

nicola was a beast and actually was pleasantly surprised with amber rudd... angela eagle was disappointing, i though she would have done better.....

leadsom was looking weirdly into the camera all night, and boris was... well, boris....(wouldn't want to play poker with him... his lie face looked like his normal face) "

The camera thing was odd.

The whole debate was weak. Not enough fact checking from either side.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I still don't understand how you think that's discrediting the survey. Response rate doesn't mean the answers change, it's a percentage?

to get 15% of an entire profession to answer a survey is actually pretty impressive....

do you know how many voters you would need to get for one of these polls to have the same success rate....

the answer would be about 4.5 million....

I know, to expect 100% response rate or the survey is considered "debunked" is silly. Over 600 economists is a decent figure to give a very good sample.

I'm sure it wouldn't be doubted if it were to find the EU negatively affects the GDP.

....and it's still 3400 economists who never replied to the survey. Still Remain campaign never mentions that little stat. "

and next time you parade one of your "leave are ahead polls"... i'll ask you how many people took part....

because i remember you crowing about one in the wolvehampton star that had leave ahead which had about 800 respondants.......

I just remember because it made me chuckle....

ooooh.... or that mumsnet poll........,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I still don't understand how you think that's discrediting the survey. Response rate doesn't mean the answers change, it's a percentage?

to get 15% of an entire profession to answer a survey is actually pretty impressive....

do you know how many voters you would need to get for one of these polls to have the same success rate....

the answer would be about 4.5 million....

I know, to expect 100% response rate or the survey is considered "debunked" is silly. Over 600 economists is a decent figure to give a very good sample.

I'm sure it wouldn't be doubted if it were to find the EU negatively affects the GDP.

....and it's still 3400 economists who never replied to the survey. Still Remain campaign never mentions that little stat. "

Have you ever worked with surveys for market research? You've unreasonably high standards for survey data

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

I still don't understand how you think that's discrediting the survey. Response rate doesn't mean the answers change, it's a percentage?

to get 15% of an entire profession to answer a survey is actually pretty impressive....

do you know how many voters you would need to get for one of these polls to have the same success rate....

the answer would be about 4.5 million....

I know, to expect 100% response rate or the survey is considered "debunked" is silly. Over 600 economists is a decent figure to give a very good sample.

I'm sure it wouldn't be doubted if it were to find the EU negatively affects the GDP.

....and it's still 3400 economists who never replied to the survey. Still Remain campaign never mentions that little stat. "

and how many of that 3400 have stated they agree with Brexits economic forecasts..?

which are again so lacking in any detail that it doesn't allow those who are not on either side to look at objectively..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"12% of economists polled say leaving the EU won't affect our GDP ...so that's 88% of economists who think its going to affect GDP ..and. Still people want to support brexit ..unbelievable.....

I quoted the facts! It's fine to want to be out, but don't ignore facts or claim erroneous stuff as truths, it just undermines you.

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By *ax777Man over a year ago

Not here

"if i was scoring that as a 6 round boxing match... 10 point must...

i scored in 59-57 remain..... 3 wins to 1 with 2 even....

nicola was a beast and actually was pleasantly surprised with amber rudd... angela eagle was disappointing, i though she would have done better.....

leadsom was looking weirdly into the camera all night, and boris was... well, boris....(wouldn't want to play poker with him... his lie face looked like his normal face)

The camera thing was odd.

The whole debate was weak. Not enough fact checking from either side. "

I agree. It wasn't so much of a debate as two sides spouting supposed facts and sound bites. Very disappointing.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Did boris say it cost 250k a week to stay in the eu? I think he over estimated there.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"when did an economist ever get their guesses right, whenever the government or IMF world bank or who ever say in six months growth will be this or inflation that they are never right. "

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

O
"when did an economist ever get their guesses right, whenever the government or IMF world bank or who ever say in six months growth will be this or inflation that they are never right.

George Osborne and the government can't get their economic forecasts correct 6 months in front, never mind the forecast going ahead to the year 2030, with the totally false and bogus £3400 worse off figure (which the Remain campaign quoted again tonight on the debate). As for the IMF and others like the CBI you have to look at their history, they were wrong on the ERM in the 1990's, they were wrong on the Euro and they failed to see the global crash coming in 2008. Not a very good track record. "
which school of economics did you attend to decide the £3400 figure was bogus ..and this from a man who believes turkey is joining the EU sometime soon ..think you're predictions are somewhat worse and misleading ....

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"when did an economist ever get their guesses right, whenever the government or IMF world bank or who ever say in six months growth will be this or inflation that they are never right.

why on earth did you bump up the EU straw poll thread... because i thought polls didn't count unless it is done by at least 15% of the entire site!!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"when did an economist ever get their guesses right, whenever the government or IMF world bank or who ever say in six months growth will be this or inflation that they are never right.

why on earth did you bump up the EU straw poll thread... because i thought polls didn't count unless it is done by at least 15% of the entire site!!

There are 2 polls on the 1st page of the forum running Fabio. I bumped the EU straw poll thread because someone on the other thread posted that they hadn't seen any other polls done on here. In fact there have been quite a few.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?"

you should get out more then ffs

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By *atietvsheffTV/TS over a year ago

Sheffield

The "in group" shredded Boris, I can't remember the lady who is a conservative MP but she absolutely nailed Boris every time she spoke, she spoke sense , with reason, very articulate, full of passion and came across as straight and not a smarmy public schoolboy with a laddish attitude and ego to match the size of his own publicity. Boris for PM? She would make mincemeat of him in a 1 on 1 campaign for PM

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

I think the leave campaign have missed a trick with Boris, using him to parrot the same half a dozen buzzwords is a waste of his appeal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?"

Not everyone who wants to leave is xenophobic, but all xenophobics want to leave. HTH

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

Angela Eagle has an irritating squeaky voice. Soooooo nauseating.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

you should get out more then ffs"

Can you not make your point eloquently without swearing needlessly at me?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some biased _iews on this thread and this might be one but I would bet that vote leave will increase their lead in the polls tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

you should get out more then ffs

Can you not make your point eloquently without swearing needlessly at me?"

It was called for because I desgair at that attitude. Are you suggesting half this country is xenophobic?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

The remain side are at it again on Question Time on BBC. Hillary Benn trotting out the 9 out of 10 economists line again even though it was debunked by it news.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

Not everyone who wants to leave is xenophobic, but all xenophobics want to leave. HTH

I just haven't encountered a non xenophobic Leave voter. Like a modern folklore story.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Some biased _iews on this thread and this might be one but I would bet that vote leave will increase their lead in the polls tomorrow. "

according to ya mate "centaur" they are not worth believing unless you actually have a very high percentage on the population polled....

isn't that right???????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The remain side are at it again on Question Time on BBC. Hillary Benn trotting out the 9 out of 10 economists line again even though it was debunked by it news. "

Do you know what debunked means? You're using it incorrectly

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"The remain side are at it again on Question Time on BBC. Hillary Benn trotting out the 9 out of 10 economists line again even though it was debunked by it news. "

*itv news

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

you should get out more then ffs

Can you not make your point eloquently without swearing needlessly at me?

It was called for because I desgair at that attitude. Are you suggesting half this country is xenophobic? "

No, I'm suggesting that xenophobic Leave voters are xenophobic and that I haven't met a Leave campaigner who isn't xenophobic. I "despair" at your inability to talk to a stranger normally, but I haven't sworn at you, you needn't be rude to me.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"The remain side are at it again on Question Time on BBC. Hillary Benn trotting out the 9 out of 10 economists line again even though it was debunked by it news.

Do you know what debunked means? You're using it incorrectly "

Yes I know what it means. Itv news also know what it means that's why the news reader said on Tuesday night "the 9 out of 10 economists figure is debunked".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some biased _iews on this thread and this might be one but I would bet that vote leave will increase their lead in the polls tomorrow.

according to ya mate "centaur" they are not worth believing unless you actually have a very high percentage on the population polled....

isn't that right???????

I think you are confused again

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

Not all of us are xenophobic. My problem with the EU is that it is profoundly undemocratic and that it has never published a set of accounts. Ever.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The remain side are at it again on Question Time on BBC. Hillary Benn trotting out the 9 out of 10 economists line again even though it was debunked by it news.

Do you know what debunked means? You're using it incorrectly

Yes I know what it means. Itv news also know what it means that's why the news reader said on Tuesday night "the 9 out of 10 economists figure is debunked". "

I'm not sure yellow journalism has any legs in this case, the poll itself stands up despite criticism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not all of us are xenophobic. My problem with the EU is that it is profoundly undemocratic and that it has never published a set of accounts. Ever."

How's it undemocratic? You not seen the annual accounts published?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just make me laugh talk about immigration.

Let's be honest, if people from this country will go to work then problem with immigrants will be never happen.

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By *ax777Man over a year ago

Not here

"Not all of us are xenophobic. My problem with the EU is that it is profoundly undemocratic and that it has never published a set of accounts. Ever."

Sorry but that's not correct. The European Court of Auditors (ECA), an EU body set up to examine the accounts of the Union, signed off on the 2014 accounts as reliable—something it's done for every set of figures since 2007. But it did find that payments made were materially affected by error.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Today the stays were saying that if we leave that we will push Scotland into another referendum to leave the uk.

I thought they were looking towards doing that again anyways ? So no matter which way it goes Nichola sturgeon is going to be pushing that one in Scotland

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

"Not all of us are xenophobic. My problem with the EU is that it is profoundly undemocratic and that it has never published a set of accounts. Ever.

Reliable? QED.

It should be squeaky clean. What does reliable mean?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Today the stays were saying that if we leave that we will push Scotland into another referendum to leave the uk.

I thought they were looking towards doing that again anyways ? So no matter which way it goes Nichola sturgeon is going to be pushing that one in Scotland "

As it stands the polls in Scotland are heavily leading to remain, the SNP lost the independence referendum..

They have already said that they want to remain in the EU, if we the rest of the Uk drag them out it will empower the SNP to cash in on that resentment..

as it is now the SNP are at a peak and in time will start to lose seats and with that the independence issue will also likely diminish..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not all of us are xenophobic. My problem with the EU is that it is profoundly undemocratic and that it has never published a set of accounts. Ever.

Reliable? QED.

It should be squeaky clean. What does reliable mean? "

That an audit found the report to be true to actuality instead of dodgy record keeping. Semantics isn't the issue, the fact that it was stated that the EU don't issue reports but actually do is.

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By *ax777Man over a year ago

Not here

"Not all of us are xenophobic. My problem with the EU is that it is profoundly undemocratic and that it has never published a set of accounts. Ever.

Reliable? QED.

It should be squeaky clean. What does reliable mean? "

According to the Oxford Dictionary:

Consistently good in quality or performance; able to be trusted:

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

No.

Me neither. "

Me either

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

you should get out more then ffs

Can you not make your point eloquently without swearing needlessly at me?

It was called for because I desgair at that attitude. Are you suggesting half this country is xenophobic? "

At least. I would actually guess at 74%

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

you should get out more then ffs

Can you not make your point eloquently without swearing needlessly at me?

It was called for because I desgair at that attitude. Are you suggesting half this country is xenophobic? "

No. Read the point again slowly and try to understand it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Today the stays were saying that if we leave that we will push Scotland into another referendum to leave the uk.

I thought they were looking towards doing that again anyways ? So no matter which way it goes Nichola sturgeon is going to be pushing that one in Scotland

As it stands the polls in Scotland are heavily leading to remain, the SNP lost the independence referendum..

They have already said that they want to remain in the EU, if we the rest of the Uk drag them out it will empower the SNP to cash in on that resentment..

as it is now the SNP are at a peak and in time will start to lose seats and with that the independence issue will also likely diminish.."

I strongly disagree. The 'Independence Issue' will always remain a major factor in Scottish politics. Has been since before I was even a glint in my fathers eye and will continue for years to come. Or maybe not...

Though that's for the people of Scotland to decide. As the SNP party has stated another independence referendum will only be take place if it's what the majority of Scottish people want.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

you should get out more then ffs

Can you not make your point eloquently without swearing needlessly at me?

It was called for because I desgair at that attitude. Are you suggesting half this country is xenophobic?

No. Read the point again slowly and try to understand it. "

You are barking up the wrong tree I think.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

"Just make me laugh talk about immigration.

Let's be honest, if people from this country will go to work then problem with immigrants will be never happen. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

you should get out more then ffs

Can you not make your point eloquently without swearing needlessly at me?

It was called for because I desgair at that attitude. Are you suggesting half this country is xenophobic?

At least. I would actually guess at 74%"

I would guess that includes you then. Oh and plenty of remainers

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

No.

Me neither.

Me either

Nor me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

you should get out more then ffs

Can you not make your point eloquently without swearing needlessly at me?

It was called for because I desgair at that attitude. Are you suggesting half this country is xenophobic?

At least. I would actually guess at 74%

I would guess that includes you then. Oh and plenty of remainers"

Nah, I only hate English people

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm voting out and I'm far from xenophobic......

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

Im glad I have the ability to consider both sides of a debate and come to some conclusion unlike many of the Brexiters on here who are utterly, utterly blinkered as to the pros of the others side and the cons of their own!!!

I thought it was an interesting debate and despite being in the remain camp I thought Brexit did far better than I had expected and gave me some food for thought.

Both sides spit out mis truths and bulls got but I'm really stuff long with the flat out lies from Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone engaged with a single person supporting the Leave campaign who isn't motivated by xenophobia?

you should get out more then ffs

Can you not make your point eloquently without swearing needlessly at me?

It was called for because I desgair at that attitude. Are you suggesting half this country is xenophobic?

At least. I would actually guess at 74%

I would guess that includes you then. Oh and plenty of remainers

Nah, I only hate English people

oh, you work for the EU. Why didn't you say

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Im glad I have the ability to consider both sides of a debate and come to some conclusion unlike many of the Brexiters on here who are utterly, utterly blinkered as to the pros of the others side and the cons of their own!!!

I thought it was an interesting debate and despite being in the remain camp I thought Brexit did far better than I had expected and gave me some food for thought.

Both sides spit out mis truths and bulls got but I'm really stuff long with the flat out lies from Brexit. "

I was undecided till I wanted the debate it cleared up a few things for me hence my choice to vote out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm voting out and I'm far from xenophobic......

I have to say I'm quite surprised by you voting leave - but respect your choice. I agree that not everyone who votes leave will do so for base reasons, but the campaign certainly doesn't help dispell that notion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm voting out and I'm far from xenophobic......

I agree I think some of the campaign is shoddy to say the least.....but both sides have been at times in my opinion.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Today the stays were saying that if we leave that we will push Scotland into another referendum to leave the uk.

I thought they were looking towards doing that again anyways ? So no matter which way it goes Nichola sturgeon is going to be pushing that one in Scotland

As it stands the polls in Scotland are heavily leading to remain, the SNP lost the independence referendum..

They have already said that they want to remain in the EU, if we the rest of the Uk drag them out it will empower the SNP to cash in on that resentment..

as it is now the SNP are at a peak and in time will start to lose seats and with that the independence issue will also likely diminish.."

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Today the stays were saying that if we leave that we will push Scotland into another referendum to leave the uk.

I thought they were looking towards doing that again anyways ? So no matter which way it goes Nichola sturgeon is going to be pushing that one in Scotland

As it stands the polls in Scotland are heavily leading to remain, the SNP lost the independence referendum..

They have already said that they want to remain in the EU, if we the rest of the Uk drag them out it will empower the SNP to cash in on that resentment..

as it is now the SNP are at a peak and in time will start to lose seats and with that the independence issue will also likely diminish..

Though that's for the people of Scotland to decide. As the SNP party has stated another independence referendum will only be take place if it's what the majority of Scottish people want.

agree that it will only happen if there is a rise in the want for it within the Scottish electorate, i can well imagine that post a Brexit result and where the majority in Scotland had voted to remain that they will be looking at Westminster in less than favourable terms..

anyway, we shall see..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Today the stays were saying that if we leave that we will push Scotland into another referendum to leave the uk.

I thought they were looking towards doing that again anyways ? So no matter which way it goes Nichola sturgeon is going to be pushing that one in Scotland

As it stands the polls in Scotland are heavily leading to remain, the SNP lost the independence referendum..

They have already said that they want to remain in the EU, if we the rest of the Uk drag them out it will empower the SNP to cash in on that resentment..

as it is now the SNP are at a peak and in time will start to lose seats and with that the independence issue will also likely diminish..

Chris Greyling just said on Question Time The most recent poll in Scotland released a couple of days ago suggests support for Scottish independence has fallen and support for the union of the UK has increased (and this poll is conducted while support for Brexit in the polls is rising). "

may well be the case now but no one knows except possibly the Scots who want to remain just how they will feel post a Brexit result..

its another piece of the imponderable what if this that or the other may happen or not time we live in..

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm voting out and I'm far from xenophobic......

I think the accusations of racism and xenophobia being thrown about by the remain campaign really are a sign of how rattled and desperate they have now become. There are plenty of Trade unions and prominent figures on the left of politics who want to leave the EU and support Brexit. There is a very strong left wing case being made for Brexit by the Labour leave group, the liberals leave group, George Galloway from the RESPECT party, RMT trade union, among others.

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Today the stays were saying that if we leave that we will push Scotland into another referendum to leave the uk.

I thought they were looking towards doing that again anyways ? So no matter which way it goes Nichola sturgeon is going to be pushing that one in Scotland

As it stands the polls in Scotland are heavily leading to remain, the SNP lost the independence referendum..

They have already said that they want to remain in the EU, if we the rest of the Uk drag them out it will empower the SNP to cash in on that resentment..

as it is now the SNP are at a peak and in time will start to lose seats and with that the independence issue will also likely diminish..

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

The time is up now to register to vote.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm voting out and I'm far from xenophobic......

Please Centaur - you are a very vocal supporter of the Leave campain and fair enough to you - but don't try and throw the George Galloway bone to those of us on the left. I have never known a politician so despised on the left

as this charlatan, and I would never be proud to have him on my side. There are some rational lefties who will vote leave for good, honest reasons but this wanker is only interested in one thing - himself.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Today the stays were saying that if we leave that we will push Scotland into another referendum to leave the uk.

I thought they were looking towards doing that again anyways ? So no matter which way it goes Nichola sturgeon is going to be pushing that one in Scotland

As it stands the polls in Scotland are heavily leading to remain, the SNP lost the independence referendum..

They have already said that they want to remain in the EU, if we the rest of the Uk drag them out it will empower the SNP to cash in on that resentment..

as it is now the SNP are at a peak and in time will start to lose seats and with that the independence issue will also likely diminish..

Do you ever actually bother to read what anyone actually says on here??? I never said the poll suggests an increase in support for Brexit in Scotland. I said the poll Chris Greyling was talking about suggests support for independence in Scotland is falling and support for the union of the UK is rising.

(All this is happening while the overall polls from the whole of the UK are seeing rise in support for Brexit).

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm voting out and I'm far from xenophobic......

His videos are on the Labour Leave page on YouTube. He used to be a Labour MP. He was vilified by Tony Blair and kicked out the Labour party by Tony Blair over his stance on the Iraq war. Believe me I am no fan of Galloway either but I think history has somewhat vindicated him while Tony Blair has been on the wrong side of history. When the chilcott report is released I think Galloway will be vindicated even more and Tony Blair condemned more.

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Today the stays were saying that if we leave that we will push Scotland into another referendum to leave the uk.

I thought they were looking towards doing that again anyways ? So no matter which way it goes Nichola sturgeon is going to be pushing that one in Scotland

As it stands the polls in Scotland are heavily leading to remain, the SNP lost the independence referendum..

They have already said that they want to remain in the EU, if we the rest of the Uk drag them out it will empower the SNP to cash in on that resentment..

as it is now the SNP are at a peak and in time will start to lose seats and with that the independence issue will also likely diminish..

(All this is happening while the overall polls from the whole of the UK are seeing rise in support for Brexit). "
yep and the sun was shining so possibly any perceived increase there may be for brexit in England has sod all to do with it ..just more fanciful thinking by you

..look for Scottish brexit polls before spouting crap!!!!!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Today the stays were saying that if we leave that we will push Scotland into another referendum to leave the uk.

I thought they were looking towards doing that again anyways ? So no matter which way it goes Nichola sturgeon is going to be pushing that one in Scotland

As it stands the polls in Scotland are heavily leading to remain, the SNP lost the independence referendum..

They have already said that they want to remain in the EU, if we the rest of the Uk drag them out it will empower the SNP to cash in on that resentment..

as it is now the SNP are at a peak and in time will start to lose seats and with that the independence issue will also likely diminish..

(All this is happening while the overall polls from the whole of the UK are seeing rise in support for Brexit). "

Probably because people are concerned about the up-and-coming 'in or out' EU vote on the 23rd. Think once the dust settles on the 24th it might be a whole different ball game,depending on the outcome of course.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm voting out and I'm far from xenophobic......

I really doubt that the Chilcott will have anything to say about Galloway at all. He's completely irrelevant these days.

You think him palling up to Saddam Hussein vindicates him? Jings man - you don't have to rabidly support everyone who agrees with you on thia one issue. I will vote to remain, but it doesn't make me want to have a drink with George Osborne

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

Why do people have to be so abrupt over this? I've seen too many elections and listened to too many politicians in my time and I know for a fact that none of them have a Scooby what they're talking about.

It's always soundbite after soundbite after soundbite and I don't need to be convinced by anyone as to how I should vote. I'm intelligent enough to make my own decisions and I choose to ask my government to make the laws that govern me. I choose to decide that I don't wish to become part of a Federal United States of Europe (FUSE?)

I am British and these islands are my home and I rarely leave them. Europe might as well be on Mars as far as I'm concerned unxenophobically speaking of course.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Watched the ITV debate and Question Time.

Conclusions...Brexit walked the debate...no one on the Remain side, could argue any point, other than to repeat the same, totally speculative, scare stories. They ducked so many points, it was cringeworthy.

Re Question Time...Eddie Izzard is a total Dick and probably helping the Brexit campaign no end, every time he(she) opens his(her) mouth. What an arsehole!!

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

I can't be the only one hoping that if we do end up leaving the EU, some of the money that we will supposedly save will be spent on education?

Because the astonishingly poor grasp of basic mathematics demonstrated by the Leave campaign and their supporters has been quite shocking.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

Being away at the moment I have not been able to watch these programmes but I get the drift from following social media.

My prediction stands....

Brexit will win

In the run up and immediately after the economy will suffer a shock reaction due to £GBP withdrawals / currency switches.

Possible Euro/GBP parity by early July

The early "independence" honeymoon will soon sour and Cameron will resign with Gove/Osborne/Johnson battling for PM job

Meanwhile reality of Brexit consequences grows as EU and world leaders issue ominous statements.

By August, unemployment starts to increase as EU dependant companies look to economise ahead of an unknown future.

By December, EU has made it clear that the UK gets no special conditions and indeed UK negotiators expect a worse deal than Notway or Switzerland and UK accepts that trade deals with other trading blocks and large exporting countries are going to be more difficult and take much longer than expected.

UK economy continues to implode and with winter of 2016/2017 will be one of industrial unrest and protest.

Vote of no confidence in the conservative government before Spring 2017

EU offers UK an olive branch of reformed terms.

Spot general election called.

Conservatives manifesto is to maintain out position.

Labour have replaced Corbyn with an electable individual and Labour and Liberals campaign to accept new EU conditions

After a year of economic and political unrest, UK votes in a new Labour government and UK effectively remains in the EU.

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

"I can't be the only one hoping that if we do end up leaving the EU, some of the money that we will supposedly save will be spent on education?

Because the astonishingly poor grasp of basic mathematics demonstrated by the Leave campaign and their supporters has been quite shocking."

Both sides are massaging the figures to suit their argument.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I'm voting out and I'm far from xenophobic......

I really doubt that the Chilcott will have anything to say about Galloway at all. He's completely irrelevant these days.

The Chilcott report doesn't even have to mention Galloway for it to vindicate him. Plus I did just say I was no fan of Galloway in my previous post. Maybe he did pally up to Saddam Hussain, but he also said the Iraq war was all built on a lie. We all know now there were no weapons of mass destruction so he was right about that at least.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Being away at the moment I have not been able to watch these programmes but I get the drift from following social media.

My prediction stands....

Brexit will win

In the run up and immediately after the economy will suffer a shock reaction due to £GBP withdrawals / currency switches.

Possible Euro/GBP parity by early July

The early "independence" honeymoon will soon sour and Cameron will resign with Gove/Osborne/Johnson battling for PM job

Meanwhile reality of Brexit consequences grows as EU and world leaders issue ominous statements.

By August, unemployment starts to increase as EU dependant companies look to economise ahead of an unknown future.

UK economy continues to implode and with winter of 2016/2017 will be one of industrial unrest and protest.

Vote of no confidence in the conservative government before Spring 2017

EU offers UK an olive branch of reformed terms.

Spot general election called.

Conservatives manifesto is to maintain out position.

Labour have replaced Corbyn with an electable individual and Labour and Liberals campaign to accept new EU conditions

After a year of economic and political unrest, UK votes in a new Labour government and UK effectively remains in the EU."

I'm going to hold you to this and should you be right I want you right up there with mystic meg

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm voting out and I'm far from xenophobic......

I really doubt that the Chilcott will have anything to say about Galloway at all. He's completely irrelevant these days.

Well, we agree on that at least

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Watched the ITV debate and Question Time.

Re Question Time...Eddie Izzard is a total Dick and probably helping the Brexit campaign no end, every time he(she) opens his(her) mouth. What an arsehole!!"

I agree on Eddie Izzard, I think the audience (and everyone watching at home) were getting sick and tired of him shouting over other people. The childish digs at Farage were also cringeworthy. I think Izzard may have convinced a few people to vote Leave tonight.

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

"Being away at the moment I have not been able to watch these programmes but I get the drift from following social media.

My prediction stands....

Brexit will win

In the run up and immediately after the economy will suffer a shock reaction due to £GBP withdrawals / currency switches.

Possible Euro/GBP parity by early July

The early "independence" honeymoon will soon sour and Cameron will resign with Gove/Osborne/Johnson battling for PM job

Meanwhile reality of Brexit consequences grows as EU and world leaders issue ominous statements.

By August, unemployment starts to increase as EU dependant companies look to economise ahead of an unknown future.

UK economy continues to implode and with winter of 2016/2017 will be one of industrial unrest and protest.

Vote of no confidence in the conservative government before Spring 2017

EU offers UK an olive branch of reformed terms.

Spot general election called.

Conservatives manifesto is to maintain out position.

Labour have replaced Corbyn with an electable individual and Labour and Liberals campaign to accept new EU conditions

After a year of economic and political unrest, UK votes in a new Labour government and UK effectively remains in the EU.

I'm going to hold you to this and should you be right I want you right up there with mystic meg "

Bankers are selling sterling because they hedging their bets on a Brexit. They're gamblers. It's what they do and if we vote to leave they'll make a fortune, if we vote to stay they'll make a fortune. It's got nothing to do with confidence in sterling to hold it's value.

As for a snap election, we have fixed term parliaments and with a Tory majority there is no way a Tory MP is going to vote against a Tory PM in a vote of n/c.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Being away at the moment I have not been able to watch these programmes but I get the drift from following social media.

My prediction stands....

Brexit will win

In the run up and immediately after the economy will suffer a shock reaction due to £GBP withdrawals / currency switches.

Possible Euro/GBP parity by early July

The early "independence" honeymoon will soon sour and Cameron will resign with Gove/Osborne/Johnson battling for PM job

Meanwhile reality of Brexit consequences grows as EU and world leaders issue ominous statements.

By August, unemployment starts to increase as EU dependant companies look to economise ahead of an unknown future.

UK economy continues to implode and with winter of 2016/2017 will be one of industrial unrest and protest.

Vote of no confidence in the conservative government before Spring 2017

EU offers UK an olive branch of reformed terms.

Spot general election called.

Conservatives manifesto is to maintain out position.

Labour have replaced Corbyn with an electable individual and Labour and Liberals campaign to accept new EU conditions

After a year of economic and political unrest, UK votes in a new Labour government and UK effectively remains in the EU.

I'm going to hold you to this and should you be right I want you right up there with mystic meg "

I just can't see the UK leaving the EU because to leave with grace would embolden other European countries to possibly do the same and if that were to be one of the other three big contributors the EU would face a crisis that would damage the economy of the entire planet.

The only EU response to a UK Brexit can be hostile if they want to preserve the EU and that would seriously damage the UK.

The compromise is a bit of pain for the UK so we realise the error of our ways and then an olive branch delivered to us in the form of a general election next year.

As a natural conservative supporter, I am now resigned to this government collapsing in the event of a Brexit vote and possibly being out of power for the next two general elections whilst they sort out their open wounds. Of course, this is also dependant on Labour getting themselves an electable leader in the middle of this crisis.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Being away at the moment I have not been able to watch these programmes but I get the drift from following social media.

My prediction stands....

Brexit will win

In the run up and immediately after the economy will suffer a shock reaction due to £GBP withdrawals / currency switches.

Possible Euro/GBP parity by early July

The early "independence" honeymoon will soon sour and Cameron will resign with Gove/Osborne/Johnson battling for PM job

Meanwhile reality of Brexit consequences grows as EU and world leaders issue ominous statements.

By August, unemployment starts to increase as EU dependant companies look to economise ahead of an unknown future.

UK economy continues to implode and with winter of 2016/2017 will be one of industrial unrest and protest.

Vote of no confidence in the conservative government before Spring 2017

EU offers UK an olive branch of reformed terms.

Spot general election called.

Conservatives manifesto is to maintain out position.

Labour have replaced Corbyn with an electable individual and Labour and Liberals campaign to accept new EU conditions

After a year of economic and political unrest, UK votes in a new Labour government and UK effectively remains in the EU.

I'm going to hold you to this and should you be right I want you right up there with mystic meg

As for a snap election, we have fixed term parliaments and with a Tory majority there is no way a Tory MP is going to vote against a Tory PM in a vote of n/c."

You are dreaming of you expect a sterling recovery in the immediate aftermath of a Brexit vote. Look up how much sterling was exchanged since there was even a hint of Brexit.

Yes we do have fixed term Parliaments, but no government can survive a no confidence vote. That can and highly likely will happen in the event of a sizeable pro European vote amongst Conservative MP's. Remember that the government does not have to accept the referendum. This is when the world as we know it will start to unravel.

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

You're quite wrong. After this referendum the parliamentary party will unite again to take on Corbyns Labour party and Sturgeons SNP. It will be business as usual and two years of negotiating the terms of our withdrawal from the EU as per the terms set out in Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

Sterling has risen 4% since March.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Beware the return of the chosen brother

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Being away at the moment I have not been able to watch these programmes but I get the drift from following social media.

My prediction stands....

Brexit will win

In the run up and immediately after the economy will suffer a shock reaction due to £GBP withdrawals / currency switches.

Possible Euro/GBP parity by early July

The early "independence" honeymoon will soon sour and Cameron will resign with Gove/Osborne/Johnson battling for PM job

Meanwhile reality of Brexit consequences grows as EU and world leaders issue ominous statements.

By August, unemployment starts to increase as EU dependant companies look to economise ahead of an unknown future.

UK economy continues to implode and with winter of 2016/2017 will be one of industrial unrest and protest.

Vote of no confidence in the conservative government before Spring 2017

EU offers UK an olive branch of reformed terms.

Spot general election called.

Conservatives manifesto is to maintain out position.

Labour have replaced Corbyn with an electable individual and Labour and Liberals campaign to accept new EU conditions

After a year of economic and political unrest, UK votes in a new Labour government and UK effectively remains in the EU.

I'm going to hold you to this and should you be right I want you right up there with mystic meg

As for a snap election, we have fixed term parliaments and with a Tory majority there is no way a Tory MP is going to vote against a Tory PM in a vote of n/c.

You are dreaming of you expect a sterling recovery in the immediate aftermath of a Brexit vote. Look up how much sterling was exchanged since there was even a hint of Brexit.

In the event of a Remain vote then Cameron could still face a vote of no confidence from Brexit Tories. Also if the vote goes Remain you could see more defections to Ukip by Brexit tory MP's and rise in support for Ukip among the general public in other elections who feel let down by this Tory government on immigration. But it's all speculation, we'll have to wait and see what really happens?

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"You're quite wrong. After this referendum the parliamentary party will unite again to take on Corbyns Labour party and Sturgeons SNP. It will be business as usual and two years of negotiating the terms of our withdrawal from the EU as per the terms set out in Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty."

Have to agree to disagree. The U.K. will not leave the EU. You the cost of a potential UK break up and economic fallout from a belligerent EU will make sure of that. But we will see.

I am listening to Trump supporters over here and they are absolutely convinced that come December this year the newly appointed President Trump will be leading the USA into a land of milk and honey and overnight everything is going to be so much better because the US will have defeated the imaginary demons that have afflicted the country for so long. Wages will rise, the economy will explode back into life, unemployment will be a thing of the past and America is great again....

Now where have I heard something like that before?

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

I think Clinton will win over there tbh.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Being away at the moment I have not been able to watch these programmes but I get the drift from following social media.

My prediction stands....

Brexit will win

In the run up and immediately after the economy will suffer a shock reaction due to £GBP withdrawals / currency switches.

Possible Euro/GBP parity by early July

The early "independence" honeymoon will soon sour and Cameron will resign with Gove/Osborne/Johnson battling for PM job

Meanwhile reality of Brexit consequences grows as EU and world leaders issue ominous statements.

By August, unemployment starts to increase as EU dependant companies look to economise ahead of an unknown future.

UK economy continues to implode and with winter of 2016/2017 will be one of industrial unrest and protest.

Vote of no confidence in the conservative government before Spring 2017

EU offers UK an olive branch of reformed terms.

Spot general election called.

Conservatives manifesto is to maintain out position.

Labour have replaced Corbyn with an electable individual and Labour and Liberals campaign to accept new EU conditions

After a year of economic and political unrest, UK votes in a new Labour government and UK effectively remains in the EU.

I'm going to hold you to this and should you be right I want you right up there with mystic meg

As for a snap election, we have fixed term parliaments and with a Tory majority there is no way a Tory MP is going to vote against a Tory PM in a vote of n/c.

You are dreaming of you expect a sterling recovery in the immediate aftermath of a Brexit vote. Look up how much sterling was exchanged since there was even a hint of Brexit.

Personally I find it remarkable that David Cameron is coming in for so much pure, nasty and frankly disgusting abuse from those who are championing the Brexit cause.

This is the one and only guy in the last 20 years who has promised an EU referendum and actually delivered. Why is he getting such dogs abuse? He is delivering what he promised. How many recent Peine Ministers can you say that about?

Unfortunately, I fear that my Conservative party is pretty much doomed no matter what the outcome and if Labour were smart (which they are not) they ought to be capitalising on this and getting themselves an electable leader now.

Sorry mate, but I don't really see UKIP benefitting without a bit of a root and branch makeover. The U.K. Lives in the middle ground, it always has.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"I think Clinton will win over there tbh."

She will. For sure. Unless she gets impeached before November, but that is looking increasingly doubtful. On the other hand, the Trump University case took a turn this weekend as Mr Trump put his size 10's in it again and questioned the ethics of the entire US judicial system.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Being away at the moment I have not been able to watch these programmes but I get the drift from following social media.

My prediction stands....

Brexit will win

In the run up and immediately after the economy will suffer a shock reaction due to £GBP withdrawals / currency switches.

Possible Euro/GBP parity by early July

The early "independence" honeymoon will soon sour and Cameron will resign with Gove/Osborne/Johnson battling for PM job

Meanwhile reality of Brexit consequences grows as EU and world leaders issue ominous statements.

By August, unemployment starts to increase as EU dependant companies look to economise ahead of an unknown future.

UK economy continues to implode and with winter of 2016/2017 will be one of industrial unrest and protest.

Vote of no confidence in the conservative government before Spring 2017

EU offers UK an olive branch of reformed terms.

Spot general election called.

Conservatives manifesto is to maintain out position.

Labour have replaced Corbyn with an electable individual and Labour and Liberals campaign to accept new EU conditions

After a year of economic and political unrest, UK votes in a new Labour government and UK effectively remains in the EU.

I'm going to hold you to this and should you be right I want you right up there with mystic meg

As for a snap election, we have fixed term parliaments and with a Tory majority there is no way a Tory MP is going to vote against a Tory PM in a vote of n/c.

You are dreaming of you expect a sterling recovery in the immediate aftermath of a Brexit vote. Look up how much sterling was exchanged since there was even a hint of Brexit.

Personally I find it remarkable that David Cameron is coming in for so much pure, nasty and frankly disgusting abuse from those who are championing the Brexit cause.

Sorry mate, but I don't really see UKIP benefitting without a bit of a root and branch makeover. The U.K. Lives in the middle ground, it always has."

Cameron is coming in for strong criticism because I think many Eurosceptic tories had high hopes for his renegotiation deal with the EU. The outcome of the renegotiation was pretty pathetic really and he did not deliver the fundamental reform he promised. He did not deliver what he promised in his Bloomberg speech. He also said if he didn't get what he wanted he may support Brexit and that turned out to be a bit of a sham really. Now since he has thrown his lot in with the remain campaign many tory Brexit MP's are not happy with the way Cameron has behaved (the £9 million taxpayer funded pro EU propaganda leaflet and putting links to Stronger in (remain campaign) website on official government websites. It is _iewed as trying to rig the result of the vote by giving unfair advantage to one side. Then the increasingly apocalyptic forecasts and predictions he and Osborne keep coming out with (as Nicola Sturgeon on the Remain side has said "just not credible").

Cameron has brought much of this on himself by his own actions.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Being away at the moment I have not been able to watch these programmes but I get the drift from following social media.

My prediction stands....

Brexit will win

In the run up and immediately after the economy will suffer a shock reaction due to £GBP withdrawals / currency switches.

Possible Euro/GBP parity by early July

The early "independence" honeymoon will soon sour and Cameron will resign with Gove/Osborne/Johnson battling for PM job

Meanwhile reality of Brexit consequences grows as EU and world leaders issue ominous statements.

By August, unemployment starts to increase as EU dependant companies look to economise ahead of an unknown future.

UK economy continues to implode and with winter of 2016/2017 will be one of industrial unrest and protest.

Vote of no confidence in the conservative government before Spring 2017

EU offers UK an olive branch of reformed terms.

Spot general election called.

Conservatives manifesto is to maintain out position.

Labour have replaced Corbyn with an electable individual and Labour and Liberals campaign to accept new EU conditions

After a year of economic and political unrest, UK votes in a new Labour government and UK effectively remains in the EU.

I'm going to hold you to this and should you be right I want you right up there with mystic meg

As for a snap election, we have fixed term parliaments and with a Tory majority there is no way a Tory MP is going to vote against a Tory PM in a vote of n/c.

You are dreaming of you expect a sterling recovery in the immediate aftermath of a Brexit vote. Look up how much sterling was exchanged since there was even a hint of Brexit.

Personally I find it remarkable that David Cameron is coming in for so much pure, nasty and frankly disgusting abuse from those who are championing the Brexit cause.

Sorry mate, but I don't really see UKIP benefitting without a bit of a root and branch makeover. The U.K. Lives in the middle ground, it always has.

Cameron has brought much of this on himself by his own actions. "

So really what he should have done was cancel the referendum when he realised that he could not get what the eurosceptics wanted? Would that have been better than standing by his word?

Who would be a Politician?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Did boris say it cost 250k a week to stay in the eu? I think he over estimated there."

Boris just lies Shag. It's his standard way of life. The exit folks have been officially criticised for their false costs claim. But they still repeat the lies as enough muppets seem to fall for it. Just read the EU threads and you find the Muppet quotes.