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By *htcMan
over a year ago
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get out before its to late, turkey is not the only one joining. and thats just a start
its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain. |
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"get out before its to late, turkey is not the only one joining. and thats just a start
its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain. "
no country Is joining before 2020 and even after then no country is on the way to joining just more brexiters scaremongering .. |
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"get out before its to late, turkey is not the only one joining. and thats just a start
its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain. "
No offence if they don't find the body...  |
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over a year ago
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Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan. |
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
Your source?"
The news |
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
Your source?
The news"
splitting hairs you never did arrest them you detained them and the UK still can ...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Turkey can go fuck themselves!
Before they are even considered a fit and proper nation to join the EU, one of the many hurdles they need to address is the 1974 ilegal invasion of Cyprus.
The island is still divided and the last thing the Turkish government will do is admit to an ilegal invasion.
I don't see them joining for decades to come |
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"Turkey can go fuck themselves!
Before they are even considered a fit and proper nation to join the EU, one of the many hurdles they need to address is the 1974 ilegal invasion of Cyprus.
The island is still divided and the last thing the Turkish government will do is admit to an ilegal invasion.
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so the illegal coup d'etat by greek right wing extremists five days before wasn't a problem for you then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What do people think about the billion pledged to promote Turkey into the Eu ?turkey been in talks for over 30 yrs about joining the EU its merely brexit scaremongering ..... "
So why are we contributing £1bn to help them achieve the criteria to enter? Osborne was very weak on this when questioned by Andrew Neill tonight. |
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"Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan."
if they dont share the same religion,be a bit odd to celebrate christmas...that doesn't even make sense; and as far as i know, no, there is no requirement to share a religion in the EU. there are very many varied religions in all the member countries. |
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"What do people think about the billion pledged to promote Turkey into the Eu ?"
It's more than that. The UK is paying £1.2 billion to the EU under the EU Pre-accession Assistance scheme to help 5 more countries join the EU. Those 5 being Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania and Serbia.
In addition to that the UK is paying £640 million direct to Turkey as part of the EU/Turkey deal on the migrant crisis and part of the agreed terms of that deal is to fast track Turkey membership to the EU. £1.2 billion plus the £640 million makes a total of £1.8 billion we are paying to help those 5 countries join the EU. |
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"What do people think about the billion pledged to promote Turkey into the Eu ?turkey been in talks for over 30 yrs about joining the EU its merely brexit scaremongering .....
So why are we contributing £1bn to help them achieve the criteria to enter? Osborne was very weak on this when questioned by Andrew Neill tonight."
Would be an awful waste of taxpayers money if they don't join. On the other hand the EU does like wasting taxpayers money though...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan.
if they dont share the same religion,be a bit odd to celebrate christmas...that doesn't even make sense; and as far as i know, no, there is no requirement to share a religion in the EU. there are very many varied religions in all the member countries."
What defines a country in the eu then, shouldn't they follow the same practises like the majority? |
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"Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan.
if they dont share the same religion,be a bit odd to celebrate christmas...that doesn't even make sense; and as far as i know, no, there is no requirement to share a religion in the EU. there are very many varied religions in all the member countries.What defines a country in the eu then, shouldn't they follow the same practises like the majority?"
do you really think all the countries in the EU share religious practices?
and really believe they should? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No it wasn't
how very blinkered of you "
Don't give me none of that BS!
My parents lost everything they had; home, car, land, belongings, everything. It was taken away from them in an instant. They fled with nothing and had to start again.
It doesn't matter which side you take, it's an issue which will need resolving before the Turks join the EU
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"Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan.
if they dont share the same religion,be a bit odd to celebrate christmas...that doesn't even make sense; and as far as i know, no, there is no requirement to share a religion in the EU. there are very many varied religions in all the member countries.What defines a country in the eu then, shouldn't they follow the same practises like the majority?
do you really think all the countries in the EU share religious practices?
and really believe they should?"
No I don't think they do, but I recon most of them are within the borders of europe? |
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"If any EU country votes against its membership of the EU then it doesn't join.
There's an immense amount of work for that country to do first. It's an irrelevance this year.  "
And considering Turkey are so far away from admitting to the attrocities in Armenia....it will not happen |
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"Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan.
if they dont share the same religion,be a bit odd to celebrate christmas...that doesn't even make sense; and as far as i know, no, there is no requirement to share a religion in the EU. there are very many varied religions in all the member countries.What defines a country in the eu then, shouldn't they follow the same practises like the majority?
do you really think all the countries in the EU share religious practices?
and really believe they should?No I don't think they do, but I recon most of them are within the borders of europe?"
most of what are within the borders of europe? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"get out before its to late, turkey is not the only one joining. and thats just a start
its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain. "
you need the all 28 to agree.... and greece, germany and cyprus aren't saying yes anytime soon........
anyway the last time greece and turkey agreed on anything was somewhere around the time of attila the hun.... |
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"Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan.
if they dont share the same religion,be a bit odd to celebrate christmas...that doesn't even make sense; and as far as i know, no, there is no requirement to share a religion in the EU. there are very many varied religions in all the member countries."
There are very many in just the UK... |
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"David Cameron seems very keen for Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Albania to join the EU. Video Proof here.....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6JC5AcCZM"
read the bbc review of who is joining ....and that's no country before 2020 and no country proposed to join after that time since it takes many years to join EU ..just more scaremongering from ukip brexit supporters..so give me the date when the next country will join the EU ...lets check your truth? |
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"David Cameron seems very keen for Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Albania to join the EU. Video Proof here.....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6JC5AcCZM"
Still not convinced? Another different video for you viewing pleasure where Cameron says he supports and wants Turkey to join the EU...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8su2vCq950 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
Your source?"
Cranberry, you cannot beat it
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"David Cameron seems very keen for Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Albania to join the EU. Video Proof here.....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6JC5AcCZM
Still not convinced? Another different video for you viewing pleasure where Cameron says he supports and wants Turkey to join the EU...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8su2vCq950"
again who is joining the EU give date and country ? You cant because no country is just more scaremongering by a ukip supporting brexiter |
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
Your source?"
That story was in the newspapers today. French authorities arrested some illegal migrants trying to sneak into Britain illegally, they were arrested and when it went to court to deport them, EU judges in the European courts of Justice ruled they must be set free, and the authorities can only offer "advisory" measures that they should return to their own country if they are here illegally (As if anyone really thinks these illegal migrants are going to take any notice of that).
The EU is completely bonkers and its these same judges that have the power to over-rule British Judges. 
As Michael Gove said before the European court of Justice is a rouge court. No way should it have the last word over our law and our own courts and judges. |
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
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Cranberry, you cannot beat it
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Maybe some Chilli sauce to go with your Turkish Kebab once Turkey joins the EU? |
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
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Cranberry, you cannot beat it
Maybe some Chilli sauce to go with your Turkish Kebab once Turkey joins the EU? "
turkey are not joining the EU why persist with your lies ? Check facts ..the applied over 30 yrs ago and haven't got much further with their Aplication ...so we'll try again give a date when turkey will become a member of the EU ...i won't hold my breath for a date as there isn't one.
TURKEY isn't joining the EU
Just more LIES |
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"No it wasn't
how very blinkered of you
Don't give me none of that BS!
My parents lost everything they had; home, car, land, belongings, everything. It was taken away from them in an instant. They fled with nothing and had to start again.
It doesn't matter which side you take, it's an issue which will need resolving before the Turks join the EU
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the issue was resolved with the collapse of the Jumta in greece
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"No it wasn't
how very blinkered of you
Don't give me none of that BS!
My parents lost everything they had; home, car, land, belongings, everything. It was taken away from them in an instant. They fled with nothing and had to start again.
It doesn't matter which side you take, it's an issue which will need resolving before the Turks join the EU
the issue was resolved with the collapse of the Jumta in greece
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*Junta* |
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
Your source?
Cranberry, you cannot beat it
Maybe some Chilli sauce to go with your Turkish Kebab once Turkey joins the EU? turkey are not joining the EU why persist with your lies ? Check facts ..the applied over 30 yrs ago and haven't got much further with their Aplication ...so we'll try again give a date when turkey will become a member of the EU ...i won't hold my breath for a date as there isn't one.
TURKEY isn't joining the EU
Just more LIES "
If what you say is true (and i'll play along and suppose it is for the duration of this one post), then the EU is willfully wasting billions of EU taxpayers money (which currently includes Britain) on the Pre-Accession Assistance scheme we are paying into to help those 5 countries join. Are you happy that the EU is wasting taxpayers money in this way? Why not just chuck those billions down the drain instead, same outcome if those 5 countries (including Turkey) don't join. |
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
Your source?
Cranberry, you cannot beat it
Maybe some Chilli sauce to go with your Turkish Kebab once Turkey joins the EU? turkey are not joining the EU why persist with your lies ? Check facts ..the applied over 30 yrs ago and haven't got much further with their Aplication ...so we'll try again give a date when turkey will become a member of the EU ...i won't hold my breath for a date as there isn't one.
TURKEY isn't joining the EU
Just more LIES
If what you say is true (and i'll play along and suppose it is for the duration of this one post), then the EU is willfully wasting billions of EU taxpayers money (which currently includes Britain) on the Pre-Accession Assistance scheme we are paying into to help those 5 countries join. Are you happy that the EU is wasting taxpayers money in this way? Why not just chuck those billions down the drain instead, same outcome if those 5 countries (including Turkey) don't join. "
is that and different to farage misappropriation of 1.5 million pounds of EU money in support of his anti EU campaign last year? |
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"Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan."
I thought the EU was a religiously diverse place with faith co-existing together or do we have to convert ? |
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"Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan.
I thought the EU was a religiously diverse place with faith co-existing together or do we have to convert ?"
no, we'll all have to convert ,if only to clear up all the mix ups over what days each different religion celebrates chritmas day on! |
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"Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan.
I thought the EU was a religiously diverse place with faith co-existing together or do we have to convert ?
no, we'll all have to convert ,if only to clear up all the mix ups over what days each different religion celebrates chritmas day on!"
How many days a year do you want to make Santa work ffs? Poor guy |
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"Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan.
I thought the EU was a religiously diverse place with faith co-existing together or do we have to convert ?
no, we'll all have to convert ,if only to clear up all the mix ups over what days each different religion celebrates chritmas day on!
How many days a year do you want to make Santa work ffs? Poor guy"
well presumably he'll just have to sign the opt out for EU working hours directives! |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem.."
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo. |
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"Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan.
I thought the EU was a religiously diverse place with faith co-existing together or do we have to convert ?
no, we'll all have to convert ,if only to clear up all the mix ups over what days each different religion celebrates chritmas day on!
How many days a year do you want to make Santa work ffs? Poor guy
well presumably he'll just have to sign the opt out for EU working hours directives!"
animal welfare will still be after him though... |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo."
the shadowy hints about the turkish christmas not happening till january?..sometimes you know when youre wasting your breath....but yes, its a very cosmopolitan, secular country, don't really get the fear... |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
the shadowy hints about the turkish christmas not happening till january?..sometimes you know when youre wasting your breath....but yes, its a very cosmopolitan, secular country, don't really get the fear..."
Yup, it's pretty much the least-Muslim, Muslim country. It has other issues though... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"David Cameron seems very keen for Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Albania to join the EU. Video Proof here.....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6JC5AcCZM
Still not convinced? Another different video for you viewing pleasure where Cameron says he supports and wants Turkey to join the EU...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8su2vCq950"
since we are digging out old video's... (god bless youtube...) here is one from boris johnson.... dated 6th may 2014....
rather than making you watch the whole "ask mayor" durge... i'll skip to the interesting bit...
when asked.... "are turkey going to join the EU?" johnson replied "Turkey joining the EU is 'simply not on the cards'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtu2p1CmbCo
so..... are one side allowed to change their side then?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
the shadowy hints about the turkish christmas not happening till january?..sometimes you know when youre wasting your breath....but yes, its a very cosmopolitan, secular country, don't really get the fear...
Yup, it's pretty much the least-Muslim, Muslim country. It has other issues though..."
its certainly does, but as a previous poster said,it would,i think, help, rather than hinder conflict.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
the shadowy hints about the turkish christmas not happening till january?..sometimes you know when youre wasting your breath....but yes, its a very cosmopolitan, secular country, don't really get the fear...
Yup, it's pretty much the least-Muslim, Muslim country. It has other issues though...
its certainly does, but as a previous poster said,it would,i think, help, rather than hinder conflict.."
It probably would be in all honesty if I was trying to sort out the EU, which is something of a basket case, then I'd be looking to make it smaller not bigger. |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
the shadowy hints about the turkish christmas not happening till january?..sometimes you know when youre wasting your breath....but yes, its a very cosmopolitan, secular country, don't really get the fear...
Yup, it's pretty much the least-Muslim, Muslim country. It has other issues though...
its certainly does, but as a previous poster said,it would,i think, help, rather than hinder conflict..
It probably would be in all honesty if I was trying to sort out the EU, which is something of a basket case, then I'd be looking to make it smaller not bigger. "
Fair point.
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"David Cameron seems very keen for Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Albania to join the EU. Video Proof here.....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6JC5AcCZM
Still not convinced? Another different video for you viewing pleasure where Cameron says he supports and wants Turkey to join the EU...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8su2vCq950
since we are digging out old video's... (god bless youtube...) here is one from boris johnson.... dated 6th may 2014....
rather than making you watch the whole "ask mayor" durge... i'll skip to the interesting bit...
when asked.... "are turkey going to join the EU?" johnson replied "Turkey joining the EU is 'simply not on the cards'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtu2p1CmbCo
so..... are one side allowed to change their side then? "
Boris Johnson was specifically asked by Andrew Marr on the Andrew Marr show last Sunday 5th June about Turkey, Boris said he does'nt really care if Turkey join the EU or not, if we Leave on June 23rd it won't concern us. Cameron however wants us to stay in the EU and he also wants Turkey to join. |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
the shadowy hints about the turkish christmas not happening till january?..sometimes you know when youre wasting your breath....but yes, its a very cosmopolitan, secular country, don't really get the fear...
Yup, it's pretty much the least-Muslim, Muslim country. It has other issues though...
its certainly does, but as a previous poster said,it would,i think, help, rather than hinder conflict..
It probably would be in all honesty if I was trying to sort out the EU, which is something of a basket case, then I'd be looking to make it smaller not bigger.
Fair point.
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Or at least scrap the Euro but it's just two sides of the same coin - see what I did there. If you get rid of the euro then countries can do all the naughty things they aren't meant to do as EU members, like devalue their currency to get them out of shit. Or at least postpone shit hitting the fan, one or the other |
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"David Cameron seems very keen for Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Albania to join the EU. Video Proof here.....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6JC5AcCZM
Still not convinced? Another different video for you viewing pleasure where Cameron says he supports and wants Turkey to join the EU...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8su2vCq950
since we are digging out old video's... (god bless youtube...) here is one from boris johnson.... dated 6th may 2014....
rather than making you watch the whole "ask mayor" durge... i'll skip to the interesting bit...
when asked.... "are turkey going to join the EU?" johnson replied "Turkey joining the EU is 'simply not on the cards'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtu2p1CmbCo
so..... are one side allowed to change their side then?
Boris Johnson was specifically asked by Andrew Marr on the Andrew Marr show last Sunday 5th June about Turkey, Boris said he does'nt really care if Turkey join the EU or not, if we Leave on June 23rd it won't concern us. Cameron however wants us to stay in the EU and he also wants Turkey to join. "
there you go again its only a vote on the 23rd of June ..even if the out campaign have a majority it will be between 2 and 8 years before we leave and that taken from what Micheal give said ..so again this talk of turkey joining is just nonsense..so why keep talking turkey haven't you bothered to find out who is joining and when ..or is it because no country is for the foreseeable way beyond 2020,.. |
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By *abioMan
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Boris Johnson was specifically asked by Andrew Marr on the Andrew Marr show last Sunday 5th June about Turkey, Boris said he does'nt really care if Turkey join the EU or not, if we Leave on June 23rd it won't concern us. Cameron however wants us to stay in the EU and he also wants Turkey to join. "
but since leave were the ones who made turkey a part of this referendum... and are the ones digging up the comments cameron made.... then surely in the absolute interest of fairness shouldn't johnsons comments be brought up as well...
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
Your source?
That story was in the newspapers today. French authorities arrested some illegal migrants trying to sneak into Britain illegally, they were arrested and when it went to court to deport them, EU judges in the European courts of Justice ruled they must be set free, and the authorities can only offer "advisory" measures that they should return to their own country if they are here illegally (As if anyone really thinks these illegal migrants are going to take any notice of that).
The EU is completely bonkers and its these same judges that have the power to over-rule British Judges.
As Michael Gove said before the European court of Justice is a rouge court. No way should it have the last word over our law and our own courts and judges. "
The claim that "its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain" is totally untrue isn't it? The ECJ ruling applies to people entering the Schengen area and the UK still isn't part of the Schengen area unless it suddenly joined today.
The UK Border Agency can continue to control our borders and deal with migrants humanely according to business as usual practices. They can do that in full knowledge that EU decisions about the Schengen area don't apply to the UK because the sovereign UK government opted out of it. |
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Boris Johnson was specifically asked by Andrew Marr on the Andrew Marr show last Sunday 5th June about Turkey, Boris said he does'nt really care if Turkey join the EU or not, if we Leave on June 23rd it won't concern us. Cameron however wants us to stay in the EU and he also wants Turkey to join.
but since leave were the ones who made turkey a part of this referendum... and are the ones digging up the comments cameron made.... then surely in the absolute interest of fairness shouldn't johnsons comments be brought up as well...
or are we being one sided again....."
By all means bring up Boris Johnson all you like. You made a point about Boris and i replied. Don't see what the problem is. |
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
Your source?
That story was in the newspapers today. French authorities arrested some illegal migrants trying to sneak into Britain illegally, they were arrested and when it went to court to deport them, EU judges in the European courts of Justice ruled they must be set free, and the authorities can only offer "advisory" measures that they should return to their own country if they are here illegally (As if anyone really thinks these illegal migrants are going to take any notice of that).
The EU is completely bonkers and its these same judges that have the power to over-rule British Judges.
As Michael Gove said before the European court of Justice is a rouge court. No way should it have the last word over our law and our own courts and judges.
The claim that "its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain" is totally untrue isn't it? The ECJ ruling applies to people entering the Schengen area and the UK still isn't part of the Schengen area unless it suddenly joined today.
The UK Border Agency can continue to control our borders and deal with migrants humanely according to business as usual practices. They can do that in full knowledge that EU decisions about the Schengen area don't apply to the UK because the sovereign UK government opted out of it. "
No its not totally untrue, because the ECJ ruling said the police and the authorities can only give these illegal migrants a verbal "advisory" warning, and suggest to them that they should return to their own country, or the country at which they first entered the EU...... and you think illegal migrants are going to respect rules and boundaries on the Schengen zone??? By God you really are deluded.  |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
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Shhhhhhhhh don't say it out loud but I think some people think it's a bit too foreign and not white Christian enough, but they won't come out and say it |
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"It's a perfect traditional Christmas dinner"
Only perfect with onions and lemons up its bum, and rosie & thyme butter rubbed in between skin & breast..
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
Your source?
That story was in the newspapers today. French authorities arrested some illegal migrants trying to sneak into Britain illegally, they were arrested and when it went to court to deport them, EU judges in the European courts of Justice ruled they must be set free, and the authorities can only offer "advisory" measures that they should return to their own country if they are here illegally (As if anyone really thinks these illegal migrants are going to take any notice of that).
The EU is completely bonkers and its these same judges that have the power to over-rule British Judges.
As Michael Gove said before the European court of Justice is a rouge court. No way should it have the last word over our law and our own courts and judges.
The claim that "its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain" is totally untrue isn't it? The ECJ ruling applies to people entering the Schengen area and the UK still isn't part of the Schengen area unless it suddenly joined today.
The UK Border Agency can continue to control our borders and deal with migrants humanely according to business as usual practices. They can do that in full knowledge that EU decisions about the Schengen area don't apply to the UK because the sovereign UK government opted out of it.
No its not totally untrue, because the ECJ ruling said the police and the authorities can only give these illegal migrants a verbal "advisory" warning, and suggest to them that they should return to their own country, or the country at which they first entered the EU...... and you think illegal migrants are going to respect rules and boundaries on the Schengen zone??? By God you really are deluded. "
Civilised people who think these things through rationally would say that Gove and his acolytes are bonkers. the International Organisation of Migration (IOM) said it was "in line with international standards and interpretation on when detention is legitimate - when it is a measure which has a legitimate purpose and is proportionate".
The ecj is interpreting the law. Are you saying that their interpretation is wrong? If so its down to the law makers in the eu, that's the council and the meps to modify the law if it doesn't make sense. You should get those lazy ukip idiots, um meps, doing their jobs instead of wasting tax payers money. You have a personal line to farage don't you? Ask him when he's going to start earning the million quid or so that he's been paid for being an mep and do his job?
On a point of fact, the Ecj doesn't stop arrests it merely points out that according to the law there is no power to imprison the person who has been arrested. That is in line with international convention - like all good democratic institutions are.
You would have to be deluded to expect them to make up the law as they go along after all making things up is the job of ukip and its tame brexiteers as we see time and time again.
Meanwhile, safe within our own borders and outside the Schengen zone - still - the powers of arrest and detention of the U.K. Borders agency stay the same no matter how bonkers you get about it. |
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"Latest YouGov / GMB EU referendum voting intention: Remain 41%, Leave 45%, Don't know 11%.
If you want to follow polls the important figure is the 11% don't know"
And the ~40% that don't give a fuck and won't vote |
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"Latest YouGov / GMB EU referendum voting intention: Remain 41%, Leave 45%, Don't know 11%.
If you want to follow polls the important figure is the 11% don't know
And the ~40% that don't give a fuck and won't vote "
and the financial times poll gives stay 45% leave 43% dont know 12% ..... Thats the poll for me |
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"What do people think about the billion pledged to promote Turkey into the Eu ?fucking bollocks "
the money pledged to turkey is to help stem the flow of migrants through there on there way to the EU ..so could be a good idea if it works ...
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"What do people think about the billion pledged to promote Turkey into the Eu ?fucking bollocks the money pledged to turkey is to help stem the flow of migrants through there on there way to the EU ..so could be a good idea if it works ..."
.....even though Amnesty International and the UN condemned it and said it could be against international law....and the real figure is Turkey demanded around €3 billion Euros total from the EU to get agreement on the Turkey/EU migrant crisis deal. The UK contribution is £640 million pounds. Again part of the agreed terms of the deal is to fast track Turkey membership to the EU. |
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"What do people think about the billion pledged to promote Turkey into the Eu ?fucking bollocks the money pledged to turkey is to help stem the flow of migrants through there on there way to the EU ..so could be a good idea if it works ...
.....even though Amnesty International and the UN condemned it and said it could be against international law....and the real figure is Turkey demanded around €3 billion Euros total from the EU to get agreement on the Turkey/EU migrant crisis deal. The UK contribution is £640 million pounds. Again part of the agreed terms of the deal is to fast track Turkey membership to the EU. "
nothing to do with fast tracking turkey ......TURKEY have no plans to further there position on EU membership ...your stories are becoming less believable than JACKANORY ........ |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo."
I take it you heard certain supermarkets have said they wont be selling easter eggs next year so to not upset muslims etc so if Turkey join say bye to any other christian holiday |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
I take it you heard certain supermarkets have said they wont be selling easter eggs next year so to not upset muslims etc so if Turkey join say bye to any other christian holiday"
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
I take it you heard certain supermarkets have said they wont be selling easter eggs next year so to not upset muslims etc so if Turkey join say bye to any other christian holiday"
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
I take it you heard certain supermarkets have said they wont be selling easter eggs next year so to not upset muslims etc so if Turkey join say bye to any other christian holiday
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where are you getting the idea turkey are joining the EU ? ...they applied for membership back in 1987 and haven't got much further with it ..are we talking some mythical time in the future when ukip rile the world ? |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
I take it you heard certain supermarkets have said they wont be selling easter eggs next year so to not upset muslims etc so if Turkey join say bye to any other christian holiday
. where are you getting the idea turkey are joining the EU ? ...they applied for membership back in 1987 and haven't got much further with it ..are we talking some mythical time in the future when ukip rile the world ? "
I'm still trying to work out how a scam story about a mythical supermarket banning the sale of Easter eggs means that Christians will be unable to celebrate holy days. |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
I take it you heard certain supermarkets have said they wont be selling easter eggs next year so to not upset muslims etc so if Turkey join say bye to any other christian holiday
. where are you getting the idea turkey are joining the EU ? ...they applied for membership back in 1987 and haven't got much further with it ..are we talking some mythical time in the future when ukip rile the world ? "
reread what i said, i said IF not WHEN |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
I take it you heard certain supermarkets have said they wont be selling easter eggs next year so to not upset muslims etc so if Turkey join say bye to any other christian holiday
. where are you getting the idea turkey are joining the EU ? ...they applied for membership back in 1987 and haven't got much further with it ..are we talking some mythical time in the future when ukip rile the world ?
I'm still trying to work out how a scam story about a mythical supermarket banning the sale of Easter eggs means that Christians will be unable to celebrate holy days. "
Not mythical tesco have stated they wont sell easter eggs so as to not upset other religions |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
I take it you heard certain supermarkets have said they wont be selling easter eggs next year so to not upset muslims etc so if Turkey join say bye to any other christian holiday
. where are you getting the idea turkey are joining the EU ? ...they applied for membership back in 1987 and haven't got much further with it ..are we talking some mythical time in the future when ukip rile the world ?
reread what i said, i said IF not WHEN"
Why do you think Turkey joing the EU would mean an end to Christian holidays? |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
I take it you heard certain supermarkets have said they wont be selling easter eggs next year so to not upset muslims etc so if Turkey join say bye to any other christian holiday
. where are you getting the idea turkey are joining the EU ? ...they applied for membership back in 1987 and haven't got much further with it ..are we talking some mythical time in the future when ukip rile the world ?
I'm still trying to work out how a scam story about a mythical supermarket banning the sale of Easter eggs means that Christians will be unable to celebrate holy days.
Not mythical tesco have stated they wont sell easter eggs so as to not upset other religions"
You know that was a hoax right? |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
I take it you heard certain supermarkets have said they wont be selling easter eggs next year so to not upset muslims etc so if Turkey join say bye to any other christian holiday
. where are you getting the idea turkey are joining the EU ? ...they applied for membership back in 1987 and haven't got much further with it ..are we talking some mythical time in the future when ukip rile the world ?
I'm still trying to work out how a scam story about a mythical supermarket banning the sale of Easter eggs means that Christians will be unable to celebrate holy days.
Not mythical tesco have stated they wont sell easter eggs so as to not upset other religions"
more false stories are you lot lacking in commonsense to realise when you are being scammed by the brexit campaign ..... |
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Oh and its 7 countries that will be joining the EU in 2020 and funnily enough Turkey, yes i said turkey, is one of them. From the BBC news site it states
"TURKEY-Applied for full membership: 1987,Confirmed as candidate: December 1999,Negotiations started: October 2005
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11283616 |
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Doesn't mean turkey will
Get into the European Union does it?.
Of they do they need to admit to illegal invasion of Cyprus as a previous poster said and no way would they do that.
If they admit it and hand land back let them in if they don't then they can't join |
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"Oh and its 7 countries that will be joining the EU in 2020 and funnily enough Turkey, yes i said turkey, is one of them. From the BBC news site it states
"TURKEY-Applied for full membership: 1987,Confirmed as candidate: December 1999,Negotiations started: October 2005
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11283616"
keep up to date your link is from 2014 thee is a newer one from may 2016 from the bbc ...but heres another link explaining turkey is not joining the EU. http://www.londragazete.com/2016/05/28/turkey-is-not-joining-the-eu-anyways/ |
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"Can any remainer tell us how many people we should let into the UK?"
...think of the eighties recession when UK citizens flocked to Germany for work or the naughties recession when many Brits flocked to Spain to find building work. WHY ARE SO DESPERATE NOT TO LIVE IN A MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY ......so my number is about the Sam as it is now .. and since immigration has been falling since 2010 I see no need to change the current situation
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"Can any remainer tell us how many people we should let into the UK?"
I have no idea of the number that's best for us, the country and the people coming in to it I'm happy to admit that I don't have the in depth knowledge to give a figure. What is your opinion? |
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"Can any remainer tell us how many people we should let into the UK?"
i'll hazard a guess and say that if they could do so with accurate figures based on labour forecasts, growth etc that you would still poo poo it..
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"Can any remainer tell us how many people we should let into the UK?
i'll hazard a guess and say that if they could do so with accurate figures based on labour forecasts, growth etc that you would still poo poo it..
btw, how long is a piece of string..? "
well, if they could do so, how would they achieve it? |
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turkey are not joining the EU why persist with your lies ? Check facts ..the applied over 30 yrs ago and haven't got much further with their Aplication ...so we'll try again give a date when turkey will become a member of the EU ...i won't hold my breath for a date as there isn't one.
TURKEY isn't joining the EU
Just more LIES "
maybe it is lies but in that case it is lies by the EU and by David Cameron.
Try reading the migrant deal between the EU and Turkey
"Turkey’s co-operation came in exchange for conditional EU backing for Ankara’s wishlist on extra funding, visa-free travel in Europe’s borderless Schengen zone, accelerated membership talks and the direct resettlement to Europe of as many Syrians as Turkey accepts back from Greece."
Or David Cameron's various pledges help Turkey join the EU, it is also UK Govenment policy to assist Turkey to join the EU.
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"Although, shouldn't there be a one thing in common in eu? To share the same religion. They don't even have christmas in dec. I heard they have it 6th jan."
All Orthodox Christians do. Greek Russian Armenian Coptics. |
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
Your source?
Cranberry, you cannot beat it
Maybe some Chilli sauce to go with your Turkish Kebab once Turkey joins the EU? turkey are not joining the EU why persist with your lies ? Check facts ..the applied over 30 yrs ago and haven't got much further with their Aplication ...so we'll try again give a date when turkey will become a member of the EU ...i won't hold my breath for a date as there isn't one.
TURKEY isn't joining the EU
Just more LIES
If what you say is true (and i'll play along and suppose it is for the duration of this one post), then the EU is willfully wasting billions of EU taxpayers money (which currently includes Britain) on the Pre-Accession Assistance scheme we are paying into to help those 5 countries join. Are you happy that the EU is wasting taxpayers money in this way? Why not just chuck those billions down the drain instead, same outcome if those 5 countries (including Turkey) don't join. "
The Fund Covers All Hopeful Candidate Countries. So the money is not being whasted on the Former Ugoslavian countues is it. After all Slovinia and Croatia are already in. Oh by the way before the terible war ( the avoidance of anoither one being a major reason for the EU) these countries were part of the most economic and Socially most liberal and succesful comunist countries in the world. So good candidate both to avoid anouther war and with help a record of being succesful and so not encouraging a dispropotionate number of migrents.
Turkey will not be joining any time soon.
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
I take it you heard certain supermarkets have said they wont be selling easter eggs next year so to not upset muslims etc so if Turkey join say bye to any other christian holiday"
What Scaremongering Testicles! This is like one of those, "Health and Safty Gone Mad" stories you get in the paper when jernos are bored!
Tecos are NOT going to stop selling Easter Eggs ( by the way these actually have nothing to do with Christianity) they make money and thats all that matters. And further why is it Muslims fault? TESCO is owned by a Jewish Family (Dame Porter of Council houses for Votes Fame) could it be they are embarressed about the whole Crusifiction at Easter thing?
MAD BAD and SAD
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turkey are not joining the EU why persist with your lies ? Check facts ..the applied over 30 yrs ago and haven't got much further with their Aplication ...so we'll try again give a date when turkey will become a member of the EU ...i won't hold my breath for a date as there isn't one.
TURKEY isn't joining the EU
Just more LIES
maybe it is lies but in that case it is lies by the EU and by David Cameron.
Try reading the migrant deal between the EU and Turkey
"Turkey’s co-operation came in exchange for conditional EU backing for Ankara’s wishlist on extra funding, visa-free travel in Europe’s borderless Schengen zone, accelerated membership talks and the direct resettlement to Europe of as many Syrians as Turkey accepts back from Greece."
Or David Cameron's various pledges help Turkey join the EU, it is also UK Govenment policy to assist Turkey to join the EU.
We are not saying it will happen in the next couple of years but it will happen"
The word "conditional" is quite important in that I feel. Also we aren't part of the Schengen zone. |
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"What would be so terrible about Turkey joining the European Union?
ive never got that,never understood it..can't see any problem..
I think we both know what some people perceive the problem as, but I wonder if they are honest enough to articulate it. There's been a few shadowy hints already.
Personally (admittedly they've a long way to go on their democracy yet), I'd love to see a majority Muslim state join the Union. It would do a great deal for inter-faith relations imo.
I take it you heard certain supermarkets have said they wont be selling easter eggs next year so to not upset muslims etc so if Turkey join say bye to any other christian holiday
What Scaremongering Testicles! This is like one of those, "Health and Safty Gone Mad" stories you get in the paper when jernos are bored!
Tecos are NOT going to stop selling Easter Eggs ( by the way these actually have nothing to do with Christianity) they make money and thats all that matters. And further why is it Muslims fault? TESCO is owned by a Jewish Family (Dame Porter of Council houses for Votes Fame) could it be they are embarressed about the whole Crusifiction at Easter thing?
MAD BAD and SAD
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Yeah! They could have waited until after Easter to do it, why ruin a perfectly good bank holiday? |
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its even illegal to arrest someone trying to enter this country illegally according the eu now. you cannot arrest someone trying to sneak into Britain.
Your source?
Cranberry, you cannot beat it
Maybe some Chilli sauce to go with your Turkish Kebab once Turkey joins the EU? turkey are not joining the EU why persist with your lies ? Check facts ..the applied over 30 yrs ago and haven't got much further with their Aplication ...so we'll try again give a date when turkey will become a member of the EU ...i won't hold my breath for a date as there isn't one.
TURKEY isn't joining the EU
Just more LIES
If what you say is true (and i'll play along and suppose it is for the duration of this one post), then the EU is willfully wasting billions of EU taxpayers money (which currently includes Britain) on the Pre-Accession Assistance scheme we are paying into to help those 5 countries join. Are you happy that the EU is wasting taxpayers money in this way? Why not just chuck those billions down the drain instead, same outcome if those 5 countries (including Turkey) don't join.
The Fund Covers All Hopeful Candidate Countries. So the money is not being whasted on the Former Ugoslavian countues is it. After all Slovinia and Croatia are already in. Oh by the way before the terible war ( the avoidance of anoither one being a major reason for the EU) these countries were part of the most economic and Socially most liberal and succesful comunist countries in the world. So good candidate both to avoid anouther war and with help a record of being succesful and so not encouraging a dispropotionate number of migrents.
Turkey will not be joining any time soon.
So it is only the proportion of the money spent on Turkey that is long term investment."
If Slovenia and Croatia are already in the EU then why mention them? The current recipients of the EU Pre-Accession Assistance scheme are Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Albania. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fair point Fabio......bit sides are being very selective in what they say (OK...lying...we know that). But Cameron is (for now) Prime Minister and his words carry more impact.
There are checkable facts.
He HAS said he wants to accelerate Turkeys entry to the EU as fast as possible.
He has (UK has) contributed to a fund to accelerate Turkeys meeting of the criteria for entry. Alongside other EU members.
In the past other countries have been allowed to join without meeting many of the criteria.
However:
It is very unlikely it will happen prior to 2020.....but certainly not the year 3000!
Boris HAS said as much as this too.
The only real thing we can be sure if is they tell different lies, depending on their audience.
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"Who needs to spend a fortune promoting turkey , they rush off the shelves at Christmas time
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As long as it comes with a good stuffing  "
And there's nothing quite like a good stuffing at Christmas  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Try reading the migrant deal between the EU and Turkey
"Turkey’s co-operation came in exchange for conditional EU backing for Ankara’s wishlist on extra funding, visa-free travel in Europe’s borderless Schengen zone, accelerated membership talks and the direct resettlement to Europe of as many Syrians as Turkey accepts back from Greece."
Or David Cameron's various pledges help Turkey join the EU, it is also UK Govenment policy to assist Turkey to join the EU.
We are not saying it will happen in the next couple of years but it will happen"
the visa free travel around the schengen area is still a misleading point.... because it only applies to tourist...
basically it is 3 month visa free travelling
if turks want to live or work within the EU they will still need the relevant permits/visas to do so.... that bit has not changed.... |
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